www.islam-watch.org

This is something interesting and new to me.

According to some revisionists, arabs used the phrase: Muhammadan Abdullahi warasooluh. They just added "bin" Muhammad and abdullah and that's how the name came in existence. The oldest writing are that on the Rockdome in Jaruzalem. This is the oldest and only indication to Muhammad(an) (bin) abdullahi warasooluh meaning: Praiseworthy is His servent and messenger. It referes actually to Jesus because the rest of the text is about Jesus. No Muhammad but Muhammadan (intense praiseworthy).

It Abdullah was his father it only shows that Allah was a paganistic deity. Abdullah is said to have been died as a polyethist.

I read somewhere previously that Mahound was in the womb four years...The excuse was that some people are in the womb ten years...Islamic medical knowledge was more advanced in those days...Besides, we all know that anything is possible if Allah wills it...Why Allah would will such a pregnancy is is unknown, so it's better not to ask too many questions...

That's a great theory!
There is another one " baby swap in the desert by the nurse maid halima"

honestly dude, stick to watching bollywood movies.

:-)

Mr Khan did not make this up...Your religious cohorts did...Your argument, if you really have one, is with them...Perhaps you could tell us the real story instead of obfuscating the issue with a personal attack on Mr Khan...

Yes! That is it. Now we get the answer. Why mo was mo!
This is the only possible answer to the age long puzzle. Yes, he was an illegitimate child of her mother! And there’s the whole story laying.
It is said that Amina hated mo, her lone son, whom she never fed, never gave lap, thrown to a maid’s mercy. Why? Think gentlemen! Think. Could a mother hate her lone child, her lone son, only hope to her world, meaning to live? No, that is not possible. Lots of children born at widows’ lap. They become her only wealth, whom they cover and take as the last gift of God. How does a mother in such pathetic condition despise her baby? The only possibility could be, she didn't deserve him. But why she didn't deserve her won womb? The unique possibility, it was not by her choice. She was lured to an unfair relationship. As a young girl, starved, she couldn’t resist herself. A very normal phenomenon in all societies, and especially in Arabian society. Then why she didn’t abort? The unknown answer will certainly appear by more study. We could just make a logical derivation. She might have fall weak to have a child, to have a baby of her won. Or she might took time, looking for a deceived chance to hide the shame from society. But after sometime it became too late to abort. Whatever may be, mo came.

Let‘s think a bit more. Should a literate eleder left his grandson illiterate? Especially when he was a head of an esteemed religious institution of his society? No, that’s also not possible.
History supports that Abdullha admitted mo to school. Why he left? Mo was not an idiot. His life establishes it beyond doubt that he was a cleaver man, with a twisted intuitive mind.
So what forced him to leave the school at that early age? His birth carries the answer. His classmates obviously new this and teased him regularly for that matter. Most normal in such cases, that drove him crazy. This twisted childhood made him a mentally sick man, which caused him epileptic and made him a misogynist, a violent cruel narcissist in maturated age. And the rest is in history book.

Thank you Mr. Khan, for bringing the truth to all of us. I sincerely hope, now reed will re-think of his Allahs father, and at least stop confusing argumentation. Truth don't care anybody. Thank you all.

It was no doubt very interested and informative which indeed enhanced our knowledge. Like here I keep telling that Muslims have no other choice but to make inexcusable excuses. Muslim scientists can say any crap that is contrary to the logic of human psychology, just to defend their false history and illogical background of their so-called prophet in order to distract readers all over the world. Not only history, but Quran is also full of B.S where we find many mistakes, and idiots like Zakir Naik, aka Joker Khalnaik, tries to defend, unsuccessfully all the time, that is the reason due to his stupidity and lies, he get attribution of Kaffir and infidle from his own Muslims.

Like I told here, and claimed that I am the real Prophet Muhammad, and there is no any doubt in my date of birth. My father was alive when I was born. So believe me the real prophet, before it is too late.

Have a nice day!
Mohammad.A.Khan

MalMan invited to concoct some medical intervention.

Illegitimate child theory is plausible it may be one of the causes of all the hate that Mo exhibited.

So Mahound had a bum childhood, and because of that, he wanted everyone to have a bum childhood...A bum childhood produces a bum adult...If you want proof, look what happened to Malman...He was a nice little boy in the beginning and look at him now...Aki also exhibits the BCS...Bum Childhood Syndrome...No Santa Clause, no Easter bunny and egg hunts, no tooth fairy, no fun...Now that's bum...No wonder they grew up deficient.
Mahound succeeded in his bum childhood program that survives to this day...It works so well that the child does not know they are having a bum childhood...and no one will tell them...Later when they grow up and realize they were robbed, some of them apostate...These are the fortunate, the rest stay locked in the bummer...

It is said that Amina hated mo, her lone son, whom she never fed, never gave lap, thrown to a maid’s mercy. Why? Think gentlemen! Think. Could a mother hate her lone child, her lone son, only hope to her world, meaning to live?

This debate also happened and once asked the same question from a maulana Israr Ahmed, so-called scholar of Islam in Pakistan. to this he made an excuse that, in olden days, especially in Saudi Arabia, people gave up their children to country side people so that they could learn their language, culture and other craps. He said that this was the custom in those days. But we dont read any proof other than muhammad's story. Or even Ali his counsin and son in law, ever been sent to any countryside people for same learnings. There is no such record about Ali's childhood life that he was ever been sent like muhammad was sent in his childhood. That is true that muhammad was serious sinister from his childbirth, or in other words, the most devil child in the history of mankind.

Have a nice day!
Mohammad.A.Khan

Sorry again, Have a nice night!

abu sufyan was also sent out with the bedoins!
In fact he shared the same wet nurse as muhammed(pbuh).
Abu sufyan came from a wealthy side of the family!

Did abu sufyans mum hate him too????

Mo' was a child of his grandfather (sic). Ho ho ho!

Thanks Mr. Khan. I didn't know that story. It is obvious from your post that muslim apologetics know a lot about their vacuousness. So they trying to bring medieval english knights story into their support. Probably that's the reason they always keep their prophet above any question. Now sir, i think it's yours, highly placed educated and enlightened individuals early actions to bring historians especially from Islamic history dept. of universities to this debate and encourage them to tell the truth to all moderate Muslim mass. If all educated moderate Muslims declare apostasy, for the sake of their future generation to be saved from a negative and crime intended attitude of life the menace will take no more time to non-existences. the poor uneducated mass will automatically convert to any religion they like. Even if not, there's also no problem. let them just live to normal life, thats all.

And a personal thanks for writing me personally. Beat of luck.
Thank you.

Have a nice day (and not night, That's reserved for us , your followers.)

abu sufyan was also sent out with the bedoins! ........................Did abu sufyans mum hate him too????


Was abu sufyan a drop out too, at early school date?
Was abu sufyan an illeterate as mo?
Was abu sufyan a self styled maniac?
Had abu sufyan ever tryed any of all those commited by mo?

abu sufyan was also sent out with the bedoins!
In fact he shared the same wet nurse as muhammed

Mr. Aki, I don't know about abu sufyan that he was sent to the same nurse in his childhood as muhammad. Can you give me the reference that where you got this from?

Have a nice day!
Mohammad.A.Khan

Mr. M.A. Khan. According to interesting research by Goldziher and Schacht, hadis and sira books are fake and figment. Pls. visit:
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=14548.0;wap2

You have quoted Ibn Hisham as a source. He is not contemporary of Muhammad leaving alone Abdullah and Abdul Muttalib, the alleged father and grand of Muhammad.

Ibn Hisham who was born after about 200 years is not seen giving source for his claims and reporting the story as eye witness.

Both Tabri and Ibn Hisham fabricated one Ibn Ishaq who is relatively of closer period of Muhammad. They say that they got from Ishaq whereas there is no such memoir of Ishaq available in any form.

Mr. Khan please dont believe Ibn Hisham and condemn his malice.

Goldziher and Schacht say that it is not verifiable that the name of father of Muhammad was Abdullah.

There is an other thing arabs lied about and wich is hard to believe. It is called Qur'an and the system derived from, islam.

Dear Mr Khan,

The biography of Muhammad written by al-Halabi, as well as "The Comprehensive Compilation of the Names of the Prophet's Companions" by Ibn Abd al-Barr, both say that Muhammad’s mother Amina lived in the house of her uncle Wahib. Abd al-Mutallib went with his son Abdallah to seek the hand of Wahib’s niece Amina. While there, Abd al-Mutallib was attracted to a daughter of Wahib named Hala and asked for her hand as well. Wahib agreed, and Muhammad’s father Abdallah and his grandfather Abd al-Mutallib were both married on the same day in a double marriage ceremony.

In his biography of the prophet, Ibn Hisham says that Abdallah had sexual intercourse with Amina in her father’s house immediately after the marriage and she became pregnant with the Messenger of God.
“The Book of the Major Classes” by historian Ibn Sad says that Abdallah died a few months after his marriage at the age of 25, when his wife Amina was pregnant with Muhammad. Muhammad’s grandfather Abd al-Mutallib and his new wife Hala also had a son Hamza, who was Muhammad’s uncle.

The problem is that Muhammad and Hamza should be about the same age. If Hala and Amina both became pregnant soon after their marriage, Muhammad and Hamza would be the same age. If Hala became pregnant a few years later, Hamza would be younger than Muhammad.
But Islamic history informs us that Hamza was older than Muhammad. In his biography of Muhammad “Uyun al-Athar”, Ibn Sayyid al-Nas wrote, “Zubayr narrated that Hamza was four years older than the Prophet. But this does not seem correct to me, because reliable hadith state that Thaybiya nursed both Hamza and the Prophet.” Ibn Sayyid concluded that Hamza was two years older than Muhamad, rather than four years as Zubayr claimed. He finished by saying, as they always say about matters that are in doubt, “Only God knows.”

In his book “Finding the Truth in Judging the Companions”, Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani writes that Hamza was born two to four years before Muhammad. Ibn Sad says in “The Book of the Major Classes” that Hamza was killed at the Battle of Uhud when he was 59 years old. Ibn Sad adds that Hamza was four years older than the Prophet of God, and he was killed when Washi Ibn al-Harb pierced his stomach.

The encyclopedia “Dairat al-Maarif al-Islamiyah” says Muhammad was born in 570 AD. It also says the Battle of Uhud took place three years after the emigration from Mecca to Medina in 622, which means the battle occurred in 625. So Muhammad was 55 years old when Hamza died at the age of 59.
So either this incident of 2 marriages is wrong and thus none knows who was Mohammeds real parents or Mohammed remained in the womb of his mother for over 2 years at the minimum or 4 years based on the battle Uhud scenario.

Leyden edition of kitab at tabaqat al kabir by muhammad ibn saad!
It's in arabic OR
muhammad (pbuh) his life based on earliest sources page 39 by Martin lings
it's in English OR
A knowledgable imam!
Abu sufyan was his uncles son and they shared the same wet nurse. Harith the father of abu sufyan was by all accounts well off. Did abu sufyans mother hate him too?
So another one of your theories is blasted out of the park!

Have a nice day too!

When I asked you a logical question repeatedly why 6 million muslims r leaving islam every year u have no reply. Don't ask me for proofs search it yourself on net. Secondly hiting the nail on your head I CATEGORICALLY SAY THAT WE ARE NOT EVEN SAYING ABOUT HADITHS ETC. THEY R REJECTING QURAN KORAN I REPEAT AGAIN KURAN. READ IT IN SURVEYS SO THEY ARE REJECTING I REPEAT A ZILLIONJTH TIME REJECTING KORAN KORAN KORAN . cOZ ALL YOUR ARGUEMENTS ARE BASED ON THAT MUSLIMS ARE NOT FOLLOWING . THATS WHY I AM SAYING COZ OF THE SURVEYS THEY R REJECTING THE HATE MANUAL KORAN. THEY HATE KORAN. YOUR LIES R EXPOSED. KORAN IS A PROOVEN TERROR MANUAL. DONT ASK ME FOR PROOF READ THE SURVEYS. I AM TALKING OF DOCUMENTED SURVEYS NOT TALKING ABOUT 7TH CENTURY. YOU HAVE EASY EXCUSES ....O 7TH CENTURY NO DOCUMENTATION ETC ALL YOUR IDIDOTIC LOGIC. I REPEAT 100000 TIMES THETY HATE KURAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOW REPLY. I AM SURE ALL RERADERS R ASKING U THIS!!!! REPLY! REPLY REPLY. DEFEND THE TERROR MANUAL NOW

do you know that pregnancy period in islam could last to 4 years this is not my words its egyptian mufti words i got the video but in arabic for the ones who don't belive

they tell so many lies they forget what they've said and screw up constantly, it's the nature of the beast.

I'm my own grandpaw

And Mohammad says...
I was married to a widow, who was pretty as can be.
This widow, had a grown-up daughter,
Who had hair of red.
My father fell in love with her and soon they too were wed.
This made my dad my son-in-law,
And really changed my life.
Now my daughter was my mother,
Cause she was my father's wife.
And to complicate the matter,
Even though it brought me joy,
I soon became the father of a bouncing baby boy.
My little baby then became a brother-in-law to dad,
And so became my uncle, though it made me very sad.
For, if-if he were my uncle, then that also made him brother.
Of the widow's grown up daughter, who was of course, my stepmother.
Uh huh.
Father's wife then had a son who kept them on the run,
And he became my grandchild, for he was my daughter's son.
My wife is now my mother's mother, and it makes me blue.
Because although she is my wife, she's my grandmother too.
God.
Now, if my wife is my grandmother, I am her grandchild, yeah.
And every time I think of it, heh! Nearly drives me wild.
Cause now I have become, the strangest case you ever saw,
As husband of my grandmother, I am my own grandpaw.
Oh I'm my own grandpaw.
I'm my own grandpaw.
It sounds funny I know, but it really is so,
Oh I'm my own grandpaw.
I'm my own grandpaw.
I'm my own grandpaw.
Talk about incest!
It sounds funny I know, but it really is so,
I'm my own grandpaw.

'And now you know the rest of the story'

Doesn't that show Muslims are the greatest liars ?

If such a small and simple thing, like pregnancy could be lied and recorded, what more will they say in their religion?

May be the time lapse between Abdulla's death and Mo's birth be 2 to 4 years. And I am sure you will know what that means!

Mo' himself rammed his daughter-in-law Zainap. Probably Al-Muttalib did that too.

Chanakya. You write"In his book “Finding the Truth in Judging the Companions”, Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani writes that Hamza was born two to four years before Muhammad. Ibn Sad says in “The Book of the Major Classes” that Hamza was killed at the Battle of Uhud when he was 59 years old. Ibn Sad adds that Hamza was four years older than the Prophet of God, and he was killed when Washi Ibn al-Harb pierced his stomach".

He is not talking of Muhammad apostle who died approx 630 AD. Ibn Hajr is reported to gave lived between 1372 – 1448, AD. About hundred years after Muhammad, the messenger if God. You know he did not give source for his story.

Al-Haafidh Shihabuddin Abu'l-Fadl Ahmad ibn Ali ibn Muhammad, better known as Ibn Hajar due to the fame of his forefathers, al-Asqalani due to his family origin (Arabic: ابن حجر العسقلاني‎) (February 18, 1372 – February 2, 1448, 852 A.H.[1]). He was a Persian and not an Arab even. He was hafid of hadis not of Quran.

His sources are 10th century malicious ahadith which deal with fictitious character.

I advised the author to not to trust these people at the cost of quality of his articles.

No body knows the real father of Mohammad.When Mohammad was born,Mecca was a trading centre of Arabia and the traders used to visit that place from all over,even from India.That is why Mecca housed even Hindu gods.A lot of women offered their services as COMFORT WOMEN to earn money for their up keep .Mohammad's alleged father did not live with Amina.According to :WORD OF ISLAM: by E .Williams,Abdulla-the alleged father of Mohammad went to one woman for SEX first who turned him down and asked him to go wash his face first and then come back.Instead ,he visited Amina and had sex with her.There is no evidence that Abdulla was ever married to Amina.Then ,he suddenly and conveniently dies on a trading trip.According to that book,Abdulla went to the first woman after having sex with Amina but she refused.She told him that he did not have the same light left in him.Hence we do not have conclusive evidence as to who the real father was.To continue her Income going,she handed Mohammad to the Beduine woman.No woman likes to part with her child without some sound reason.Islam is a suspicious religion to the core.No truth in it.

Chanakia. Please note correction "He is not talking of Muhammad apostle who died approx 630 AD. Ibn Hajr is reported to gave lived between 1372 – 1448, AD. about Eight hundred years after Muhammad, the messenger if God. You know he did not give source for his story.

Mohammad was a white guy...Explain that...

Some of the Sahabas saw the PENIS of Mohammad while he was urinating and found it to be White.Has any body found the penis of a black or brown man to be white.That proves that Mohammad was a White man.But Sir.Salaman Rushdi gave a different explaination.He said that after the death of Khadija,Mohammad had sex with so many women that his Penis turned white with friction.Please solve this riddle for me.Also Muslims should start loving the White people now.

Mr Wilson, I only qoute islamic scholars. if they are fraud you need to discuss with Al Azhar University, Shiekh Bin baz of Mecca, Saudi Ulema, Deoband Ulema etc. I only go by what islmaic luminaries say.

The other aspect is that Quran was compiled by Abbasids in 745 AD or there abouts. Thus what you have is not a testimony of Mohammed via angle gabrielle but something cooked up 120 years removed from the so called event.

Once your writings get published by Al Azhar or Saudi Ulema or Deobandi Ulema i will qoute you otherwise for me you are not a muslim but an apostate.

Thanks

Muslims love white people for example all houris are white.
They cover women in black so they dont darken.
The Gilmans are ivory skinned. And all blacks are called slaves.
White or fair skinned girls get more dower.

Thank you Mozlem for enlightening me.The Houries ,in the seven star brothel called Jannat{Paradise},on the hole,I believe will be the same. I can't Wait for the sizzling experience.

Leyden edition of kitab at tabaqat al kabir by muhammad ibn saad!
It's in arabic OR
muhammad (pbuh) his life based on earliest sources page 39 by Martin lings
it's in English OR
A knowledgable imam!
Abu sufyan was his uncles son and they shared the same wet nurse. Harith the father of abu sufyan was by all accounts well off. Did abu sufyans mother hate him too?

Mr. Aki, the story of abu sufyan and his foster brother muhammad, nursed by Halima that you quoted from Martin Ling, it seems to me that you revere this writer to high extent. But what about the same writer Martin Ling who said in his same book: "Muhammad: His Life Based on The Earliest Sources", on Page 300 which follows, relating to the conquest of Mecca:
"...A part from the icon of the Virgin Marry and the child Jesus and a painting of an old man said to be Abraham, the walls inside (Kaaba) had been covered with pictures of pagan dieties. Placing his hands protectively over the icon, the prophet told Uthman to see that all other paintings, except that of Abraham, were effaced...."

It means that on the conquest of Mecca, Muhammad ordered all the idols to be knocked down, but except the icons of Virgin, her son Jesus and old Abraham. Do you believe this story to be true?
If you don't believe to be true, than how do you believe the story that abu sufyan and muhammad were foster-brothers from the same story teller?

Mr. Aki, when you give some reference so please review it properly before you give reasons.

Have a nice day!
Mohammad.A.Khan

Leyden edition of kitab at tabaqat al kabir by muhammad ibn saad!
It's in arabic OR
muhammad (pbuh) his life based on earliest sources page 39 by Martin lings
it's in English OR
A knowledgable imam!
Abu sufyan was his uncles son and they shared the same wet nurse. Harith the father of abu sufyan was by all accounts well off. Did abu sufyans mother hate him too?

Mr. Aki, the story of abu sufyan and his foster brother muhammad, nursed by Halima that you quoted from Martin Ling, it seems to me that you revere this writer to high extent. But what about the same writer Martin Ling who said in his same book: "Muhammad: His Life Based on The Earliest Sources", on Page 300 which follows, relating to the conquest of Mecca:
"...A part from the icon of the Virgin Marry and the child Jesus and a painting of an old man said to be Abraham, the walls inside (Kaaba) had been covered with pictures of pagan dieties. Placing his hands protectively over the icon, the prophet told Uthman to see that all other paintings, except that of Abraham, were effaced...."

It means that on the conquest of Mecca, Muhammad ordered all the idols to be knocked down, but except the icons of Virgin, her son Jesus and old Abraham. Do you believe this story to be true?
If you don't believe to be true, than how do you believe the story that abu sufyan and muhammad were foster-brothers from the same story teller?

Mr. Aki, when you give some reference so please review it properly before you give reasons.

Have a nice day!
Mohammad.A.Khan

Can you describe for us please ,YOUR Muhammad …Quran's Muhammad …the one you always claim, IS THE RIGHT MUHAMMAD….

forget Haeeth Muhammad I understand why you disclaim him …he is nothing but sick low life.

How is Q's MUhammad look like?preyed like?fasted like?who is his wife/wives?who is his father,mother,family?who are his children,grandchildren, name them please? was he whit or black? was he tall or short? was he real humen or half humen,half something else? how long he lived?when did he die? how?was he alone or by him self ,when did he died? where is his grave?

I could think of a lot more Questions about Quran Muhammad

hadeeth and Sirah TELLS US ALL THAT about H's Muhammad but since you say all that is garbage ….

please tell us from your life long and vast knowledge of QURAN'S MUHAMMAD

I cannot wait for your answer.

Please do not ask such questions to reed,Reed will not response your questions.He is a true muslim(deciver)and a follower of deciver.He rejects all the Hadeths.

Yes I know …ym

that is why I asked him …ABOUT THE MUHAMMAD FROM HIS QURAN .

I mean…. he says Muhammad brought Islam to us …but not hadeeth's Muhammad…. Quran's Muhammad

Apparently ….there is 2 Muhammad's

so let us find out about the real Muhammad that Reed always talks about …I like to know Reed …

please answer ……no one word answers like you some times do ….It does not get us any where.

Oh my references are wrong now! How convenient!
Try the arabic book.
Oh shucks I forgot, you know squat Arabic.
Ordering a falafel doesn't count.

Maybe your teacher ali sina knows?????

Have a nice day too!

"And We have not sent you except as a mercy to mankind"
(Qur'an Al-Anbiyah 21:107)

that's all the likes of you needs to know!

Aki, I know Arabic or not this is not the point. My question is very simple. Do you believe what Martin Ling has said in his earlier said book, regarding on the day of conquest that he destroyed all the idols but except the icons of marry, Jesus and Abraham? Yes or No. If you try to skip this question this time, so u would be the same loser like other mussies.
After your answer I will go ahead and carry on about the issue of whether Abu sufyan and Muhammad were the foster-brothers or not.
Have a nice day!
Mohammad.A.Khan

And all *THAT* [21:107] ..*the likes of you* …...Aki

KNOW!!!

WOULD ASK to KNOW !!!!

And WILL EVER KNOW!!!!!! …

And you are right….. that what all *YOU* need to KNOW!!!!! ….Ha…ha….

not I …AKI

REMEMBER I left Islam ….BECAUSE I KNOW EXACTLY how bad Islam IS …

My eyes have seen exactly how much MERCY to mankind your Allah/Muhammad SHOWED in his Quran and, in turn ,how much mercy Muslims shows according TO Quran to other Muslims and non Muslims alike.

What mercy you are talking about???…. what is the matter with you!!!??????

Do you see? ….Do you hear? ….
Fakkir be aklak …..ifham al Quran bi nafsak ….la takoon mithil al babbaga la takoon zanab Islam.
I wrote this way to see if you can translate …I could tell you are bragging to Khan on your Arabic.

You are matchless because you know Islam better than most people around,especially Reed Wilson.You are quite right ,because without the help of Hadiths,the Quran is quite ambiguous.Mohammad just put down in the Quran,whatever he learnt from other people.Sura 25 and verse 3 explains that.He was a real 7th century CON- MAN.Still,we must admire his talent.He has managed to fool billions of people.

"And We have not sent you except as a mercy to mankind"
(Qur'an Al-Anbiyah 21:107)


Who is the "We" ? Allah and the other 360 Gods & Goddesses or Just Allah and his 3 daughters?

fineliving56. "Can you describe for us please ,YOUR Muhammad …Quran's Muhammad …the one you always claim, IS THE RIGHT MUHAMMAD…".

He is following Quran. He is like RW except he received revelation which he passed on to me. His looks, wives, family, mother father, children, grand children their names, ages, complexion, height etc is irrelevant in cases of all messengers of God including Muhammad.

يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ إِنَّا أَرْسَلْنَاكَ شَاهِدًا وَمُبَشِّرًا وَنَذِيرًا ﴿٤٥﴾ وَدَاعِيًا إِلَى اللَّـهِ بِإِذْنِهِ وَسِرَاجًا مُّنِيرًا ﴿٤٦﴾ وَبَشِّرِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ بِأَنَّ لَهُم مِّنَ اللَّـهِ فَضْلًا كَبِيرًا

It also not requirement to know his grave.What to do with his grave? Gravimetric analysis.

فَذَكِّرْ إِنَّمَا أَنتَ مُذَكِّرٌ ﴿٢١﴾ لَّسْتَ عَلَيْهِم بِمُصَيْطِرٍ

إِنَّ إِلَيْنَا إِيَابَهُمْ ﴿٢٥﴾ ثُمَّ إِنَّ عَلَيْنَا حِسَابَهُم

fineliving you are telling people "Reed will not response your questions.He is a true muslim(deciver)and a follower of deceiver. Why you are telling people 'Reed will not response your questions.He is a true muslim(deceiver)and a follower of deceiver?

You also comparing Reed with others.

Quran is nobody's monopoly. It is sent towards people. It is my privilege that you asked me question relating Quran.

fineliving.

مَّا كَانَ مُحَمَّدٌ أَبَا أَحَدٍ مِّن رِّجَالِكُمْ وَلَـٰكِن رَّسُولَ اللَّـهِ وَخَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ ۗ وَكَانَ اللَّـهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمًا
Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the seal of the Prophets. Allah has full knowledge of everything". (33:40)

قُلْ إِنَّمَا أَنَا بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُكُمْ يُوحَىٰ إِلَيَّ أَنَّمَا إِلَـٰهُكُمْ إِلَـٰهٌ وَاحِدٌ ۖ فَمَن كَانَ يَرْجُو لِقَاءَ رَبِّهِ فَلْيَعْمَلْ عَمَلًا صَالِحًا وَلَا يُشْرِكْ بِعِبَادَةِ رَبِّهِ أَحَدًا

Say "I am no more than a human being like you; one to whom revelation is made: 'Your Lord is the One and Only God.' Hence, whoever looks forward to meet his Lord, let him do righteous works, and let him associate none with the worship of his Lord." (18:110)

Brown Superman. "And We have not sent you except as a mercy to mankind" (Qur'an Al-Anbiyah 21:107) Who is the "We" ? Allah and the other 360 Gods & Goddesses or Just Allah and his 3 daughters?

وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَاكَ إِلَّا رَحْمَةً لِّلْعَالَمِينَ

No 'we' there.

Reed where is ur friend Aki?

Reed continues to support the evil of his perverted book and pats himself on the back for doing it...

No 'we' there.

That's a fib...There are lots of 'we's with Allah...He refers to them many times in his perverted book...If there are no 'we's', there, either Allah is not telling the truth, or he needs writing classes...Use of the word WE when there are no we's is poor grammar and possibly hallucinatory...

Reed, where is ur response to M.A. Khan's description of 33.26-27? Which tribe? It refers to People of the book. Whose women were taken captive? Why?

Mohammad.A.Khan "Reed where is ur friend Aki?

If he is hadisophillic, he can not stay long.

Brownsuperman asked him "Who is the "We" ? Allah and the other 360 Gods & Goddesses or Just Allah and his 3 daughters?

Maybe he is searching for 'Gods and Goddesses'.

duh-swami. The English translators of Quran use the regal pleural while translating for God. In the text it was singular.

I appreciated the question of Brown which was justified. I mentioned Arabic text where there is singular arsalna.

Reed could not answer the question on 33.26-27. He suffers from selective amnesia.

You mean my English Quran is lying to me, and the Arabic fluent translators are also lying? For what purpose would anyone tell such a lie?
Why would Yusuf Ali or any of the known translators conspire to all tell the same lie?
Does this mean it is only those who read and comprehend Arabic can get the real message from Allah and the rest do not? Why is it then that so many who do know and understand Arabic share the same lie? Does this mean that Allah is incapable of writing in English? Why would Allah even allow his Quran to be printed in English, if he knows parts of it are lies? Would that not defeat his purpose of spreading Islam to everyone?

Brownsuperman asked him "Who is the "We" ? Allah and the other 360 Gods & Goddesses or Just Allah and his 3 daughters?

Maybe he is searching for 'Gods and Goddesses'.

reed, this issue of allah and muhammad bin abdullah has been over now. we all know who were both and what they have done. Now I claimed that I am the prophet Muhammad, and you dont need to follow the rubbish book quran with full of errors. Just follow me as I tell you; look I am alive prophet before you, then why do you go to the rubbish prophet of the 6th-7th century?
Did you recite and read my revelations in my last post where I honorly claimed that I am prophet Mohammad of the god Mautand, the god of Universe, and my name is mentioned already in previous holy scriptures, other than quran.
So Reed, become my follower, now it is useless to talk about muhammad bin abdullah.

Have a nice day(but after following me)
Mohammad.A.Khan

The English translators of Quran use the regal pleural while translating for God. In the text it was singular.

No this is incorrect. It is same in hebrew , Arabic and many other eastern languages. The translation is correct it is RW who is disadvantaged. This we is very generic and spread all over. As RW failed to give any reasoning he simply decides to contradict it but as usual Malman , Aki and RW speak their own brand of Arabic and use it to hide behind by saying non arab speakers cannot understand. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...ature=fvsr listen to deedat explain we at the 9th minute.

Confusion over the moon

http://arabnews.com/saudiarabia/article497239.ece

They seek him here, they seek him there!
Those apostates seek him everywhere!
Is he in heaven or is he in hell
That damn elusive pimpernel!!!
Right, let's play along mr k, you don't like Martin lings. I will look up page 300. Have you checked the Arabic book yet???

Does everything go over your head????
I know mr k understood my point about the Arabic!
You cannot read a book on ophthalmology and think you are surgeon ready to do cataracts. It takes time, patience, mentoring, studying etc etc.
Likewise you can read a translatory book but it will never mean you are a scholar!

Well so now you will see the page 300 from the book of Martin Ling. it is good for you lad, that atleast you will search by yourself and will read it with your own eyes. But I can help you to visit the following site, just to keep ur time wasting.

http://www.archive.org/details/MartinLings-MuhammadHisLifeBasedOnTheEarliestSources

Mr. Aki, I give you my words, I will continue on the issue of who was the foster brother of Muhammad, after you see the page 300 of the book of Martin Ling, and let me know whether you agree with him or not.

You have a good day!

Mohammad.A.Khan

Indian Hindus are followers of Chanakya (Say some thing else and do some thing else). These facts have been verified by the misdeeds of Hindu fundamentalist parties like the BJP, RSS, VHP, Shiv Sina and Bajrang Dal which have missed no opportunity to communalise national politics of India even under the Congress rule. With the backing of Indian officials, these parties have intensified anti-Christian and anti-Muslim bloodshed in the last decade coupled with the dissemination of Hindutva (Hindu nationalism).

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here is a fantastic exchange between mr lings and a critic of his work!
the point being that the book lings wrote was done with the best of his ability. If his scholarship came up short in some minute parts then that is surely understandable. Remember the topic, the life of a man who has been dead for close to 15 centuries. Not an easy task! The same applies to siratul rasool by ibn ishaq and just about every other book written on the topic.

books have been written about the prophet by knowledgable Muslims, ignorant Muslims, munafiqoons, apostates, Christians, Jews, Hindus and just about anybody else who has an opposable thumb over the last 1000 years! To clear up this mess would have been easy let's say 100 years ago. Right now it's impossible.
However very very soon we the muslims will be in a position to seperate the wheat from the chaff!

If the English Koran lied, it means Aki lied.

Now that Aki's back after the search for the meaning of "We", let's see what has he to further say.

Talks big about islam but Aki has been reading the wrong Koran. Probably he's reading all books in English because he prefers English Koran to the Arabic one. Or is he illiterate in Arabic as his fake Mo' was?

Mr. Aki, you said, "...the point being that the book lings wrote was done with the best of his ability. If his scholarship came up short in some minute parts then that is surely understandable..."
At least you confessed that Mr. Ling in his book has made a very erroneous mistake, about idols that he didn't knock down all idols on the day of conquest. Actually I raised this issue because you gave such reference that Muhammad had foster brothers and Ibn saad and Martin ling are the sources that we can find.

Well come to the real point now. Like I said in my earlier blogs that Muhammad was given away because Amina wanted to get rid of him because she thought that he was a sinster child who caused death to his own father even before his birth. It is generally accepted that Arabs were psychologically superstitious people and you should know that very well.
If you read the story of Ibn Ishaq, he nowhere mentioned one single name of the foster-brother of muhammad. Likewise, in my knowledge there is no record from Jarir Tabri, a muslim historian, that says aby sufyan was a foster-brother of Muhammad. Most of the writers, whether muslims or non-muslims have said that it was teh custom of Arabs to give away their children to their nurses, and further makes excuses that they had to learn their own culture, language and blah blah...
This excuse is very simple and logical just to cover-up Muhammad's imprecation. Many questions in the long past must have been raised that after all, why Muhammad was given away to the nurse, while his own mother was alive. to this, Muslim Historians changed the entire situation and turned the story that not only Muhammad, but also other babies were given to the nurses.
The story goes on that Muhammad was indeed a sinister child that not only Amina, his mother, wanted to get rid of him, but eventually Halima, the foster mother of muhammad, also wanted to get rid of him, and she returned muhammad back to his mother before the prescribed time. Look what William Muir says in his book. "The life of Mahomet" on Page 6, it follows:

"When another two years were ended, some strange events occured to the boy which greatly alarmed his nurse. it was probably a fit of epilepsy, but Mahometan legends invested it with so many marvellous features that it is difficult to discover the real facts. It is certain that the apprehensions of Halima and her husband were aroused; for Arab superstitions was wont to regard the subject of such ailment as under the influence of an EVIL SPIRIT."

How can we believe the story that it was custom of Arabs that sending away their children with nurses, while I don't see the records of the most prominent figures of Islam, Abu Bakar, Umar, Uthman, Ali and his sons, Hassun and Hussain, were ever been sent away with their nurses, in order to attain basic knowledge of Arab culture and so.

to be continued

continued...

So the conclusion is very clear that Muhammad was considered a devil child, but later Muslim historians tried to cover-up, because when Mulsim historians appeared on the scene, Islam was spreading barabarically and fighting with "by hook or by crook" and this ideology, Muhammad installed in every muslim's mind.

On the other side, I don't blame non-Muslim writers because they were so innosent in this attitude the way they wrote down whatever they learnt from Muslims. And not only this, they were well aware of that if they would say anything against their Master Muhammad, the consequences will not be in their favour.

I hope that this lecture was enough for you to understand why Muhammad was sent away to other women to get nursed.
so you disclosed you are Muslim

Have a good day(but after leaving Islam and follow me as true prophet)

Mohammad.A.Khan

You quote william muir the orientalist as a source of your knowledge. I wonder what other books he wrote? What was his agenda? Oh that's right, the spread and expansion of christondom.
what did I say about anybody with opposing digits writing books!
Besides have you ever asked what a lad born in Glasgow was doing in south Asia? Oh that's right enslaving and exploiting the people of now Bangladesh, Pakistan and India. very noble indeed!

The above rabble is your treatment of early history!
You overwhelm me with facts. Any 10 year old with a reference points could fill in the gaps. To think people hang on your words, the mind just boggles!

Mr. Aki, after converstation with you here on Islam-Watch, I found no difference between you and Reed Wilson. The question that a lad raised in Glasgow, you asked me, what he was doing in south asia. I don't care what he was doing or not. But atleast he completed his education in his own homeland.

But the similiar question I ask you that the a baby born in Manchester, what he was doing in Eygpt? Was he attempting to release the last Jew from the enslavement of Muslims? Look, the person who writes that Muhammad knocked down all idols but not the icons of Abraham, Jesus and Marry, in kaaba, on the day of conquest of Mecca was awarded with prizes by muslim states Pakistan and Eygpt. His work was hailed as the "best biography of the prophet in English" at the National Seerat Conference in Islamabad, the capital of Pakistan.
Do I need to laugh, or you need to cry?

The thing is that you keep twisting the words and you know that you got kicked no matter where. you will never be able to prove who was the foster mother of Umar, bakar, Uthman and Ali and his sons. before seprating grains from the chaff, you ought to learn and discover who were the foster parents of these latters.

Have a good day(but after leaving Islam and follow me as true prophet)

Mohammad.A.Khan

Mr. Aki, I will say a last a short statement. Every Muslim's mind boggles when they talk with Mohammad.A.Khan.
Reed is obvious evidence of it. You may ask him.

Have a good day(but after leaving Islam and follow me as true prophet)

Mohammad.A.Khan

Mozlem. "No this is incorrect. It is same in hebrew , Arabic and many other eastern languages."

I may be wrong. The Hebrew translators may also make mistake. Arabic translation was not needed. We have the text. There should be no confusion.

YOU MUST BE JOKING !!!!!!….or You Sir ,must have, the worst case of self/islam/Quran denials .….it is just amazing to see …

Weather you like it or not …..the history of Muhammad IS the most important thing here …since HE is the one who brought Islam to us and since *dead bodies* are dropping like flies , all over the world because the MISS UNDERSTANDING [oh please] that your kind of Muslims of Quran always, insist on.

Reed …. haven't you figured out that *Islam/Muhammad/Allah ARE or IS [they are all one and the same] ON TRAIL* here yet ….

it has been on trail since 9/11

This site and others like it, ARE THE COURT ROOMS

Muhammad IS THE DEFENDED [criminal] …

You Reed and company are the lawyers for the defended

Us EX Muslims and NON Muslims ARE THE PROSECUTORS

You, believe in justices in courts …don't you?...I remember saying Osama bin laden, should have been brought to justice in Court of law ….

In real courts the life of the alleged mass killer, child molester …becomes and IS , under scrutiny …that is why Muhammad's life is very important and has to be scrutinized to either find him guilty or not guilty ….right?

Do not tell me about other prophets …Christians and others are not killing people NOW because of their religion ….prophets are not exempted from scrutiny when people lives in the line.

ONLY MUSLIMS going around murdering every thing that do nor agree with them.

So my questions to you about the life of Muhammad are *valid* and since you only think Qurans's Muhammad is the right Mohammad, then answer me from Quran ….

I CAN tell YOU !!!!...and I do have a lot of proofs on Muhammad's life FROM Quran …but let see, first ,what you are going to come up with first.

I am glad, you displayed 33/40 …. so I know that YOU know that Muhammad is Called in Quran NOT JUST *Muhammad* BUT *AL NABI *...and since you say Muhammad is one of the prophets means in Arabic AL NAPIYEEN .. is plural of Nabi / Muhammad.


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You stated "ONLY MUSLIMS going around murdering every thing that do nor agree with them." That is an absolute faleshood, if not a lie. Just look at the headlines from the US today _ 3 People shot to death in a restaurant - Killer not a Muslim, The young mass killer who killed that young girls in Aruba, Mr Van Der Sloot, NOT a Muslim, Peter Beckitt from Canada jsut last week killed his wife, drowned her by tossing her off a boat with a lifejacket and she cannot swim, NOT a Muslim, Italy - Amanda Knox on trial an American, NOT a Muslim, Argentina two French Tourists were killed again by Non -Muslims, and on and on.

Trying to say that Murder is only tied to a Religion is a far reaching and frankly an irresponsible statement to make. The history of Muhammed is NOT the most important thing rather the Quran is the important thing. The Quran is the word of Allah.

Note your statement Muhammed is the Defended, should be "Muhammed is the Defendent" in proper terms, also if he is a defendent that would mean he is being accused of something thus not a criminal yet, until a court reaches an opinion on the matter. There are many people who go around saying "We are the Prosecutors, or Judge and Jury" In Western history they called them lynch mobs, they call them bultigeya in my city.

Oh I am sorry , your point went right over my head …tisk..tisk…..forgive me &%$# Muslim MAN &%$#.

After all, I am only A female and according to Islam Q 2/82 Suraht al baqara I have only halve the brain a man have **…I need another female to REMIND ME OF EVERY THING ….

But wait a minute …a female setting with me , just, reminded me[ha..ha] that I left Islam …and THAT BY IT SELF, SHOULD BRING BACK, SOME CELLS …
And just by doing that …she told me..I became SMARTER then any MUSLIM MAN ever lived…ha..ha…

Apparently only, in Islam, women made to think and believe they are half brained …no where else does ….as soon as women becomes ex Muslim …they believe they have a WHOLE BRAIN ….imagine that …huh .

Islam …... going …going….going…gone …..

Your points are borderline ridiculous! Wet nurses were around in ancient Egypt, ancient Rome, ancient Greece and Arabia! So the concept of wet nurses Is nothing new. So having a wet nurse did not mean your mother hated you or there was some kind of problem. In Jewish tradition the Egyptian lady by the name of batya was the wet nurse of Moses! Since all books and writing were about Moses from time and memorial. Care to tell me if aaron, the brother of Moses had a wet nurse and what he name was????????????????????
This shows how imbecilic your point is by asking if umar or abu bakr had a wet nurse. Why would writings mention their wet nurses?????
The only reason abu sufyan is mentioned is because he was the same height, build and spoke like the prophet himself! Also why did halima and harith accept islam if they felt the child was "evil".
Your argument and story is so flawed it's funny. Like I said a 10 year old could come up with this crap!

Have a nice day!!!
Who is kicking who?????
:-)

These killings you brought , are NOT …I repeat …not **religious** ….they did NOT kill because of their religions …..Muslims KILL because OF ISLAM .

it happens some times …but very law in numbers in contrast ….like the Christians killers who killed the abortion doctors few years back.

If you were smarter ….and did not let Quran, cloud your mind , you would have realized THAT , you would have brought the example that I just brought .

Do you see the difference?

BTW…..crimes in Muslim countries not related to religion, happens all the time
too …..thefts,girls rapes,boy rapes,….and all kind of problems …I had a lawyer in the family back home and heard of all kind crimes that makes your hair stand on end.

Have you heard of …...When your house made out of glass ……you know the rest .

BTY ….Muhammad , Quran''s or Hadeeth's …IS Guilty …no doubt about it.

Was, OJ guilty of beheading his wife and her friend ….yes!!!!!, he was, and everyone knew he was guilty ….but he was acquitted and now he in Jail for other crimes.
you know and we know, Muhammad is guilty and all the evidence we need is from Quran…… we are proofing it …Muhammad has been on trial for 10 years …and you still defend him!!!! ….

Guys your defense is weak, especially when YOU SAY the family history of Muhammad is not important …..

What kind of lawyers are you ….any way ??? :)

Allah should change Muhammad's lawyers ….after all IT is….the all knowing.

Islam/Muhammad/Allah, trial might last long time ….but the end is coming.

"Note your statement Muhammed is the Defended, should be "Muhammed is the Defendent" in proper terms,"

Is your English teacher from Somalia or Zimbabwe by any chance? "Defendent"? Ha, ha, ha. It's about time you get an English dictionary, not the ones sold in Afghanistan or Papua New Guinea.

Plus, a thief is a thief whether or not he is caught, prosecuted and found guilty in a court. So is a necrophile, a pedophile, a sex-maniac, an incestor, a liar, a murderer, etc. Got the point? But if Mo' was a child of his grandfather, it is beyond his control and therefore not to be blamed.

Enough of your verbal crap purged.

Just answer who is the "We" you said in your comments.

Liar Mo' and his faked Allah?

Also why did halima and harith accept islam if they felt the child was "evil".

What islam? There was no islam yet at that time.

Islam as we know it, is shaped by the enemies of the supposed messenger long after he was gone. The ommayads and abbasids just used the myth Muhammad to create a state religion. Muhammad as a name cannot be found before the end of 7th century. No one heard/wrote about/of him before. The stories about him didn't exist in the 7th and begin of the 8th century. This is i'm afraid a fact. Like the fact that the qur'an of today is not the same as in the earliest versions.

You said "untruths abound in the world"

The truth is that there is crime everywhere and in every nation but the problem is that no criminal claimed that his evils were a service to his deity or god except in Islam where crimes are regarded as acts of piety. Muhammad committed all his crimes with the approvals of Allah and that is what his followers are doing in the world today. What do you say about that?

Just look at the headlines from the US today _ 3 People shot to death in a restaurant - Killer not a Muslim,

That's called tu quoque...It is also an obfuscation...Islam does not get a free pass just because, 'others do it too'...these western murderers are not following a religious book nor any hegemonic plan...There have been thousands of murders by Muslims because of Islam just since 911, and millions before that...Your attempts to evade Islamic responsibility are pathetic...But typical for a thug with limited intelligence...

Machmoed. I appreciate your post. It reminds me character analysis of fictions we did in secondary school.You ask "Also why did halima and harith accept islam if they felt the child was "evil".

Halima, Harith, Fatima, Aisha etc all are hadis characters, like Portia, Horatio, Gertrud, Hamlet etc which is fiction accepted by Muslims as body of Islam. Hadis may answer your question.

"This is i'm afraid a fact. Like the fact that the qur'an of today is not the same as in the earliest versions."

I discuss and convey the Quran we have today. I am not answerable to the Quran we dont have. What we dont have is a myth.

But what was the motive behind creating such distasteful Hadis characters. Was it not to attract people like you to the fold of a criminal brotherhood called Ummah?

The history of Muhammed is NOT the most important thing rather the Quran is the important thing. The Quran is the word of Allah.

If not for Mahound, you would have no Quran, no word of Allah...Your throwing him under the bus is haram in all of Islam...If his history is not important, then nothing he said or did was important including his hallucinatory conversations with his invisible friend Gabriel...Since the Quran is a product of Mahounds delusional system, the Quran is invalid as a holy book, but valid as a self serving war manual that the intellectually impoverished follow...
You are simply another religious supremacist bigot with a thuggery twist, even worse than the Christians I tag with those terms...Clement and the one who ran away, at least are not thugs...Pope John apologized for the Churches 500+ years of brutality...No apologies from Muslims for 1300 years of bloodshed and brutality that goes on to this very day...Islam is never having to say 'I'm sorry'...Instead we get taqiyya, obfuscations, tu quoque, and out right lies...If Mahound's history is not important, how do you know to pray? Where did the idea of wudu come from? Who told you to wash up before prayers, Allah? Who told you which prayer position to assume? How do you know to face Mecca when praying? How would anyone know to follow the strange practice of kissing a black rock? Did Allah tell Muslims to kiss that rock? According to the story, Umar was the second Muslim to kiss the rock after Mahound, and he only did it because the boss did it...Umar thought it was a strange thing to do...
And Mahound's important historical contribution to head lice control, should not be over looked...He came up with the correct idea, shave your head...That method still works today...But when it comes to head lice, I don't have to tell 'you' about 'that'...
Because Mahound wrote the Quran and lived hadith, his history is actually the most important thing...If he is not credible then neither is is book...

Reed does not believe that Muhammad raided Jewish n christian tribes. M.A. Khan quoted 33.26-27 to disprove him. Reed started running and didn't answer his question. He is stuck between reality n his fictitious Prophet. Come out, Reed.

Chanakya wrote the first book on statecraft in human history. Even Pakistanis pay respect to him and Panini, the the first grammarian in human history. Hinduism has no fundamental. So, no Hindu can be a 'fundamentalist' as you claim. Get to your fundamentals first. It is the sickular perverts like you who are ruining India. They have already vivisected the country and on the way to cause another partition through Muslim appeasement. Are you a descendant of Jaychand?

I discuss and convey the Quran we have today. I am not answerable to the Quran we dont have. What we dont have is a myth.

The veracity of the Quran is the myth...It is impossible that the Quran you have today looks anything like the original Quran that resides with Allah in Paradise, or wherever Allah keeps his books...Before anyone put all the verses under one cover, the verses were written on various materials and were scattered around...Some humans had to collect them, collate them into chapters, and name the chapters...Allah did not tell them to do so...they did it on their own because they thought it was important... The problem is, that Allah can only encourage certain behavior, beyond that he is not responsible for human behavior...he is also not responsible for humans errors and mistakes...He may punish you later, but he is too busy to do anything about it now...It is not likely that Quran you know and love today, is the same as Allah's original...Because of that Muslims are pushing a false religion based on a knock off copy of the original. The one you have is full of human behavior and errors, so what you are doing is quoting human error...Not the words of Allah...Or at least you can't be sure they are Allah's words...The Yemeni papers are yielding some interesting information, but the scientists who are restoring and examining them have been threatened, so we don't hear much about it now...But those papers could possibly shatter some of those myths, which is something the Quran cannot hold up to, so the researchers are threatened...

RW who are the authors of hadiths. Are they Jews or Christians or just Muslim like you.
What is the motive behind polluting them, why are they writing lies upon lies.
What is difference between Quran and hadiths authenticity if both are written or compiled after Mos death?

I asked earlier relationship between Sunnah, Quran, Sharia and hadiths but you ducked the question. All you try to do is sugar coat a bitter pill. Any amount of sugar coating will not help in changing the taste of the bitter stuff underneath. I gave you the example of wudu with mud but you were not able to prove it is beneficial to Muslims and how mud, sand or earth would clean somebody. If it does then all soak shampoo should be banned in Islamic countries and it should be mud packed as soap in wrappers. No need to take bath just rub mud. It will also save lots of water.

Why don’t to tell me wudu with mud is ordained by god and not made up by some moron pretending to be allah.

The one you have is full of human behavior and errors, so what you are doing is quoting human error...Not the words of Allah...Or at least you can't be sure they are Allah's words.

This is a fact Duh. You're totally right and even truthfull muslims would agree with your analysis. There is nothing with certainty in Islam. Even Reed cannot say islam is true. The only thing he can say about it is that he believes it. This doesn't mean it is truth. It is only truth to him.

G' morning
Mr. Aki, alright, my points are borderline ridiculous. But now we will see what you brag in the broad day light when you said, "...In Jewish tradition the Egyptian lady by the name of batya was the wet nurse of Moses! Since all books and writing were about Moses from time and memorial..."

Now look at your hillarious remarks and your height of ignorance, that you don't know the difference between wet nurse and foster mother.
The Batya that you are talking about is considered Pharoah's daughter in Biblical account. But Islamic point of view says that it was Assya the wife of Pharoah who found the baby in the river of Nile. The story doesn't stop here, but also continue that Assya the foster-mother hired a wet nurse, who was coincidently was own mother of Moses. Is it true or not ??????

Your next point is that, "... Wet nurses were around in ancient Egypt, ancient Rome, ancient Greece and Arabia! So the concept of wet nurses Is nothing new. So having a wet nurse did not mean your mother hated you or there was some kind of problem..."
Now which ibn??????? has said this ?????
for your kind information, in olden days, polygamy was the custom of the different parts of teh world. one man had power to marry many wives, as you can see from Abraham, Moses, Pharoahs, the kings of their regions, and above all the sex-maniac Muhamad. their children had many step-mothers. it is possible that their step-mothers would be their wet nurses, in case, if their real mother would have died while they were still infants, or died during giving births. But Muhammad case and Moses case is absolutely different.
History tells us that Pharoah was about to kill Moses, thats why she wanted her son to be in safe hands and god directed her to do so.
But who was coming after Muhamamd to kill him that Amina instantly let him go away while he was only 8 days old.

I don't know who was teh Aaron's wet nurse neither I am interested in. But yes, I got remembered from Aaron story in the Quran, which mistakenly said, somewhere that, "O you sister of Aaron" while Quran is still talking on the subject of Marry and her son Jesus. this is a very huge blunder of the quran and this is one of the point that I left Islam forever. Now don't let me go deeper in this issue, other wise, I fear you might kick ur own butt.

Well so you feel not to investigate about bakar, umar, uthman and Ali's childhood. I understand that there is nothing strange or surprise in it.

Have a good day(but after leaving Islam and follow me as true prophet)

Mohammad.A.Khan

As per Islamic traditions, the issue of Halima as Muhammad's wet nurse I accept it to be true. you asked me, if Muhammad was a devil child why Halima and her husband accept islam. But before that, according to Islamic resources, when Halima obtained muhammad since then she saw many blessings and her she camel gave lots of milk and other miracles started to appear. Why did she gave back the boy, when she noticed that the same baby brought many blessings to her?
You know what, this blessings story is a fabricated one, because by rational point of view, no sensable person would like to give anything away if they believe in the miracles happening due to by something or by someone. Why did Halima refuse to keep muhammad with herself and eventually send him back to his mother before the prescribed time?
This question will always buzz in your head. Because I have no clue to this question. I don't know the answer.

Have a good day(but after leaving Islam and follow me as true prophet)

Mohammad.A.Khan

I figured you might flip the script. You did not disappoint. I only went biblical because I know you don't like any Islamic sources so I figured I'd maybe explain a different way!
I will make it simple, try typing wet nurse into google and read. I mean surely google is not an Islamic source! Ibn google good enough?????

read a tafseer if you want an explanation to a verse.

If all books and references of a biography are about a dude. Then why would those books mention the wet nurses of his buds?????that's as simple as I can put it to you!

The idols that Muhammad removed were the 360 statues that represented the nights of the year, forming an imperfect calendar and also Hubal, a statue possibly imported from Mt Seir. Ah, the main god of the Ka'aba, was a lunar calendar god of the Egyptians who lost 5 nights to Thoth in a dice game, according to Egyptian mythology. Those 5 nights became the hajj (a fertility festival) thus reconciling the lunar year with the solar year. Poor little Muhammad couldn't understand the importance of this, so he did away with the statues. That is why Ramadan regresses through the solar calendar and occures earlier each year. Muhammad's only interest was in creating a warrior society that would rape, pillage and murder its way to wealth and glory, just like his hero Alexander the Great (Dhul-Qarnayn Q. 18:84) who, according to the Quran, traveled until "he (Dhul-Qarnayn) reached the West and saw the sun setting in a pool of black mud." Here he was ordered by Al-Ah to punish those who fought against him. Then , under the full authority of Al-Ah, he traveled yet "another road until he reached the East and saw the sun rising upon a people whom We had exposed to its flaming rays."

Muhammad, and his god(s), were woefully ignorant of the fact that the earth is round and rotates around the sun. Not very awe-inspiring for these an all-knowing gods.

Brownie boy, you are correct sir it should be Defendant, my error which I fully admit to. As for my English teacher, I have had many over the years. Many from the West and Europe. I do not claim to be an English professor. However being that you only know how to use profanity and vulgarity, you are not either my boy.

Fineliving, you cannot prove that other crimes were or were not done in the the name of some God. While Duhwy boy says "Islam does not get a free pass just because, 'others do it too'" that is right and the opposite is true as well, NO others get a pass either. Crime is crime, there is more crime and killing in the west than other countries.

As for a glass house, no I live in houses made of Sandstone and Marble with glass windows. If I do throw a stone it would rebound off the wall, unless I directly aim at the window. You admitted already other religions kill for their God so you made my case, thank you!

Using Quran, tell us about the life of Quran's Muhammad [ Just for fun sake]….there is a lot of information about him ...all you have to do, is point out the number and of surahs and Ayas…

If you think it is irrelevant, why Would Allah bother with so many Ayas about him….

You mean, Allah some times, talks irrelevant things for no good reason??????????????

You do not have to cut and past the whole surahs ….

life is too short for that ….

I am waiting

Yes …I can, all the examples you brought were displayed all over the CNN here and each one of them was NOT religious….there were for political,rape,sick fun,…the word religion not mentioned once.

But…. you see the Quran book, being waved in muslim killers hands while committing the killing or beheadings or the cutting of the hands of the thieves.

We hear the word ..Allahu Akbar …when the bombs being thrown in to the House of Allah of other Muslim sects ..just because they do not agree with them.

Just the fact you are denying all this….tells me what kind a man you are

I do NOT care about your 2 marble houses[2 wives]…go sell, at least one, and feed some muslim Somalians children ….they are dying face down like starving sheep in the sand…because of other heartless muslims…. Al Shabab .

The US you always dump on …properly feeding the poor people in your country... MR.

Crime is crime, there is more crime and killing in the west than other countries.

More obfuscation and lies from he Islamic apologist thug Malman...Criminals in the west are not jihadists, and are not criminals for Allah...criminals in the west have no murderous war manual called Quran to follow...

Get lost Malman you offer nothing but lies, obfuscations tu quequo and other forms of pure unmitigated Bull sht...While you lie, Muslims are murdering people all over the world...That is reality and truth...someting Malman avoids like the plague...

Crime is crime, there is more crime and killing in the west than other countries.

Malman is one huge liar...None of those criminals is a jihadi...I wrote more but the administrator ate it...Just like Malman eats the truth and spits out lies...

A normal criminal will go to hell but a jihadist does it in the name of Quran to go to heaven.

Do you disagree or you are too cowardly to speak the truth?

fineliving56, "I am waiting."

Please dont.

Duh my little boy, I never used the word Jihadist or Jihadi, maybe you could not see that past your dogs lund. I was making the point that a criminal is a criminal period, it does matter if they did for example in the name of Christianity and killed a doctor who provides legal abortions. Jihad has many many meanings, but the point is if anyone breaks the law they should be treated as a criminal and prosecuted.

Mozlem my foul mouthed jahesh, I do speak the truth but your quesiton is too vague to answer. As I responded to the other mindless poster above, if the person committs a crime they should be punished per the local laws of that country.

Duh, I see your not threatening me anymore with your dirt nap comment, good boy!

Malman the king of jahillya please use Quran to explain Jihad?

How do u punish a suicide bomber.
Will youuuuu go to hell to punish him....

Fineliving56 ''I am waiting''
Reed '' please don't''
fineliving again : then I will except your answer as excepting defeat ….the life of Muhammad [using Quran] IS relevant .
thanks

Slay them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah. Q 8:39 Al-Anfal (The Spoils)
Here Muhammad clearly states the goal of the Cause
You can find the 149 Sword Verses of the Qur’an put in context using Tafsir Ibn Kathir
at http://www.politicalislam.com/...e-summary/

Islam is the only religion which is more obsessed with unbelievers than it is with its own followers. Muslims define their own identity solely in opposition to the Kuffar. Islamic accomplishments are so negligible that they have no positive cultural features with which they can identify. Hence the unceasing and implacable aggression toward civilized peoples and envy of their accomplishments. The development and deliberate cultivation of hatred is such a central feature of Islam that there is nothing that we Kuffars can do, or not do, that would make our univited guests hate us any less or any more. http://www.politicalislam.com/...e-summary/

Muhammed, the perfect model of conduct for all Muslims, said 'I have been made victorious through terror.' http://crombouke.blogspot.com/...orism.html

Reed, are you beaten?

Why are you calling everyone "little boy"? You want them to know that you are a shemale? When are you getting civilised to learn to respect people? Hadn't your mother taught you anything on manners? Or were you brought up amongst swines? Please get real!

And you admit to your spelling error. The saying is..... about living in glass houses, hoping your Somalian or Zimbabwean had explained its meaning. Please do not be too petty and remain a fool (typical of Mussies). Time to grow uplittle boy. little girl shemale. Sorry, I need to use your language to communicate to some creatures. BTW, Somalians and Zimbabweans (particularly, the refugees) can come from West or Europe, or for the matter any part of the globe. So, don't brag too much about your English teachers. You can be an English professor too...... a one eyed in the kingdom of the blind. No problem with that, I suppose, Shemale!

But you could lease (instead of selling) one of your marble houses to feed the somalian sheeps. You may need to keep both marble houses, in case the older one stops lactation.

Sorry, my use of profanity and vulgarity are STRICTLY for those whose status are a few steps below that of cannines and swines. Wear the hat if it fits.

Duh my little boy, I never used the word Jihadist or Jihadi,

No you didn't because you are an obfuscater and liar...It was Allah the terrorist and his alter ego Mahound and the evil books Quran and hadith that talk incessantly about jihad and terror, and killing or subjugating non believers, ideas that you have to agree with to be Quran compliant...Allah identifies himself as a terrorist 8:12...You are simply a lying thug...

In fact liar, I don't believe anything you say...You can't write intelligently, you have no talent, and I doubt you have two wives. I doubt you have two houses, I'm positive your education is limited and you probably work in a meat packing plant in Australia somewhere...Your use of the word 'mate' gives away your location...The word 'mate' is not used much in Muslim countries...but is common in Australia, where polygamy is illegal...So if you live in Australia, as it seems by your language, and you have two wives you are a criminal as well as a liar...But since I don't believe your made up stories, you may not be a legal criminal, but you are a lying thug...

Duh, no one really cares what you believe so your constant ranting is a wast of energy. I need you not to believe me, for I live my life as an honest hard working doctor and one who gives more back to society in a week than you have in your entire life (which sounds like it is about 15-16 years thus far). My use of the word mate, lad, etc.. are more a result of growing up in various countries and picking up words along the way, than anything else. If you to had actually ventured out into the world you would also be able to expand your vocabulary beyond the crude vulgarities you insist on using. You might also pick up some manners and not threaten people just because they have a differing opinion. As for being Australian, I have only been there once briefly and have no connection at all with that country. As I have said before I am of African origin and quite proud of my African-Arab heritage. It might be you who is ashamed of yours, maybe it is because you realize you are doing your heritage a terrible wrong in the way you present yourself or behave, I am not sure but it sounds like guilt has a grip on you my boy.

Now if you want to talk Quran 8:12, you need to again put in into context. This passage was presented to Muhammed during a time when the Muslims were being persecuted and killed by the pagans of Mekkah. They were relentless in chasing down and killing the Muslims who were forced to retreat to Medinah, but again the pagans followed to kill more of them. Outnumbering the Muslims 5-1 Allah communicated how they should defend themselves. Allah also (if you actually read the entire surah, ask your dog maybe) outlined how NOT to attack those who offer Peace and have laid down their arms to fighting. So you see Allah, as always , has wisdom much beyond mans years. There is no terrorism in the Quran, simply the hold word of Allah. The Quran does not cause men to act in a fanatical manner, rather it is the free will of man that allows him to take the unrighteous or the righteous path.

Duh, no one really cares what you believe so your constant ranting is a wast of energy.

So what thug=liar? I'm not posting to win a popularity contest...So your observation is irrelevant...I don't believe anything you say about anything...Nothing... Your own credibility is zero...

'Now if you want to talk Quran 8:12, you need to again put in into context'.

Your response is again irrelevant...Are you making the Quran into a history book? How do you know the pagans were killing and abusing Muslims in Mekka?
Regardless of the circumstances, Allah still identifies himself as a terrorist, and other verses describe his terrorist acts...Even on the spiritual level Allah terrorizes people with depraved punishments in this world and the next...

Tactics used in old battles carry on today as precedents to be used in future conflict...If the Quran is the pure truth of the words of Allah for all time, it can't be some other way, Allah continues to be a terrorist and 'kill them wherever you find them' smiting of the neck, amputations apply today...Including Quran 9:5, 47:4, 9:29, and many more...And, captured terrorists quote Quran as reason for their murders...I guess they should have talked to you first...What all this means is that you are a thug-liar and the truth is not in you...The rest of your post is just patho's...

Mr. Aki, sorry that I couldn't reply back to you early, because this website had some technical error for which I couldn't use it in two days. Well, now everything seems fine.

The reference you gave me is not ibne google but maybe I think you were trying to say ibne Wikipedia. I don't usually trust on Wikipedia because some of the resources are weak and zaeef, like your hadiths. It is because anyone can change and alter Wikipeida website, even you and me can change its entire course and definitions. But I said, not all Wikipedia is fake but some points. However, I read about foster-parents over there. It was really ridiculous to read that essay and like I said, whoever wrote it over there is highly incompetent and irresponsible writer. I am higly dismayed and disappointed by the history who wrote about foster-parents. with out any strong references and proofs, I wonder how did you believe that.

2nd point, so now, whoever finds mistake and errors in your quran, so you direct them to goto see Tafaseers to understand verse or verses more logically. You know what, in Pashto language there is a saying, "Zaan la partug de jord karda"
It means that you have sewn your own trouser, just to keep yourself from ridiculed.

The person who don't know who was the foster-mother of Moses, and he comes here and tell me the history of foster-parents. Man get some life, and don't waste ur and my time. All I can advice you, that read your Islamic history thoroughly, without listening anyone else. Even don't listen to me, just try to find, Ibn Ishaq, Jarir Tabari, and yes, also try to read some Shia's traditions, then you will definitly be able to seperate grains from chaff.

Have a good day(but after leaving Islam and follow me as true prophet)

Mohammad.A.Khan

Quran is more than 60% threats and hatred -that is why most terrorists in the world are Muslims.

Muslims kill most Muslims.

Muslims have been given asylum in many Western countries and India, but some of these treacherous Muslims turn to terrorism against the countries that have given them shelter and comfort (e.g. Somalis). True God (not Allah) will punish them.

Malman can you tell us how many times or in hom many verses does Jihad crop up come in Quran?

Campbell, Linda. 1989. "Wet-Nurses in Early Modern England: Some Evidence from the Townshend Archive." Medical History 33: 360–370.

Fildes, Valerie. 1988. Wet Nursing: A History from Antiquity to the Present. Oxford: Blackwell.

Read away to your hearts content!!!

Right point no 2!
You need a tafseer because it's written by people who know more than you!
Without it, you end up like you. In a total muddle.
Read ophthalmology by Jack kanski, then tell me If you are qualified to perform eye surgery???????

It's a big home task you leave for him. in the mean time come back to the feature. enlighten us why Allah needed such a man whose birth is covered under fog, instead of keeping trust unto a high profile priest existed in that time, as normal practice?

Read ophthalmology by Jack kanski, then tell me If you are qualified to perform eye surgery???????

So when macro degeneration and torn retina sneak up on you, who do you call? An Imam to cure you by reading Quran verses?

Quack-quack-quack...

AKI it just seems the arsehole got bigger.
Is eye surgery in Quran?
Can I have the verse please?
Did some mullah invent eye surgery?

Pakistan-land of the pure- what has reading tafseer done to this failing state?
Around 3-4 years ago, the Pakistani government made an agreement with Taliban to hand over the rule of the Swat valley to the terrorists, provided that they stayed within the valley. Treacherous Taliban reneged on the deal and were moving out of Swat valley towards the capital.
Why hand over part of your country to terrorists? Only if your heart is corrupted by terrorist manual Quran.
Wherever Islam goes, terrorism follows.

thank you for giving me the references, and I had heard the name of Campbell, Linda before though I havent read her book. But I am pretty sure that the way she would have researched about wet nursing it would be far different to what you have said. Anyways, I will look for her book. but i don't know Fildes, Valerie.

You said, "Read ophthalmology by Jack kanski, then tell me If you are qualified to perform eye surgery???????"

your quran says:
Till, when he [the traveller Zul-qarnain] reached
the setting-place of the sun,
he found it going down into a muddy spring, ...
-- Sura Sura 18:86

Can you name one scientist who says such thing?

2nd point is that you said, "... In Jewish tradition the Egyptian lady by the name of batya was the wet nurse of Moses..." can you let me know the verse number in the bible, where in bible it has said that?

Have a good day(but after leaving Islam and follow me as true prophet)

Mohammad.A.Khan

If long pregnancy is not possible then why r short pregnancy and delivering the child can be possible as in christians jesus without a father, and wat abt moses who's mothers stomach could not be seen as pharoan wold have killed him like he killed other childs

Duh boy when you speak do you ever notice that no one is listening (except your dog)? It is because you make up things to try and prove your point, it doesnt work boy. Only Popeye can do that and get away with it, but remember as I told you before he is a cartoon and not real.

Now your question "How do you know the pagans were killing and abusing Muslims in Mekka? " Because I know lot about the history of that time. If you stayed in school and studied versus staying home and watching cartoons you would know that. Plus you have to take the entire Surah into account not just a few words. I could take a few words out of any book and make it seem bad, but if you dont read he entire portion (or just read in your case) it is impossible to understand it.

The rest of your post is tatti

"But I am pretty sure that the way she would have researched about wet nursing it would be far different to what you have said."
Is this a case of covering your own arse?????? Hmmmmm!

Is it not a good description of a sunset?????
I will have to look it up!

In Jewish tradition I said. I didn't say the bible. Very clever mr k!
Great side step!
Just like in Arabian tradition at the time of the prophet there were wet nurses.
Why is that so hard for you to accept?
Your luntatic theories are a bit sad really!

No
no
yes!
Happy?

As for 18:86
please look it up a decent tafsir. It's pretty self explanatory.
If not then I can break it down word fir for you!

Humans are needed to explain ( SOMETIMES ARGUE ABOUT AND EVEN FIGHT) Quran.
Mohammad distorted the Bible (Jesus's message is of peace).
There are teachers who give clear instructions to infants and there lecturers in universities who give quite complicated lectures, so instruction has to be suitable for the listeners.
Allah/Mohammad/Satan has failed miserably for human wellbeing or has Satan succeeded?

Same old same old .. Your religion is worse therefore mine is only bad.
Why not spar with atheism??
Doh

Well, i need the book name of Linda's and page # so that I could verify it.

You said, "...I only went biblical because I know you don't like any Islamic sources..." you didn't use word Jewish tradition. Now stop playing with words. Story related in the bible. By your statement you proved to be an idiot and duffer person. Neither bible nor Jewish tradition say that Bithiah was moses wet nurse. Look what u said in your blog, posted on 6th September,
"... In Jewish tradition the Egyptian lady by the name of batya was the wet nurse of
Moses..."
Man stop lying! It's not decent. Now it is ur assignment to prove whether from bible or midrash (Jewish tradition) that bithiah was Moses wet nurse.

I asked u, which scientist says such thing that is mention in quran 18:86? Instead u would reply me a proper answer, u directed me for ur crap tafaseer. Well so now tafaseer writers r scientists for u. It is because no such normal person would say what quran 18:86 has said.

G' night!

Have a good day(but after leaving Islam and follow me as true prophet)

Mohammad.A.Khan

The above post is for Mr.Aki

Thank you for your little nudge in the other page. Its down to time difference. When i play and work you are asleep and vice versa.
Right lets get to the bottom of this.
You said that the prophet was rejected by his mother.
I gave you the reference of a wet nurse and it being common in arabia.
You then went on and said you think pickthall is not a good reference so i gave you ibn saad.
You then went and argued that wet nurses did not exist that far back and i gave you two references of wet nursing going back to ancient egypt. Practiced in the east and west.
Now here is when the muddle begins. The childhood of moses in islamic tradition and christian tradition disagree slightly. Primarily about the lady who plucked moses from the water. Since you were uber critical of pickthall i figured i would go with the biblical version. Hence i used the terms moses, aaron etc and not musa and haroon etc.

continued.............
Now i remeber being at a lecture at uni by a rabbi and being told that the lady who plucked moses out of the water tried to feed him and he rejected her attempts. So she attempted to wet nurse him. I do not have the reference from jewish writing for you yet. I have asked a rabbi friend for those.
However that still remains inconcequential to the concept of wet nursing because in the book of exodus 2 verse 9 of the king james bible it says:

"And Pharaoh's daughter said unto her, Take this child away, and nurse it for me, and I will give thee thy wages. And the woman took the child, and nursed it."

The daughter of pharaoh has just employed a WET NURSE.
She is not aware that by the grace of god that it was the infants mother.
So you can conclude that wet nursing was common and around even in biblical times.
Quad erat demunstardum.

In the name of Allah the most benficeint the most merciful
18:86 Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."
Hatta itha balaghamaghriba alshshamsi wajadaha taghrubu fee AAaynin hami-atinwawajada AAindaha qawman qulna ya thaalqarnayni imma an tuAAaththiba wa-imma antattakhitha feehim husnan

Mr K you should be aware that the Qur'ân is not descriptive prose, and the words of the Qur'ân is of high poetical eloquence, something which the Bible is not able to claim. Since the beauty of the Qur'ân is in its poetical nature, therefore it is only natural that the Qur'ân uses emphatic expressions to describe something like a "sunset". Keep in mind that the Qur'ân is in poetical prose and is meant to be a challenge to the pagan Arabs in Mecca who prided themselves as writers of good poetry. As as once "devout muslim" you of all people should know this.

"Until, when he reached the setting of the sun...": The translation of this part of the verse does not say that Zul-Qarnain reached the place where the sun sets LITERALLY, rather it means here that Zul-Qarnain was facing the direction in which the sun is setting. The "setting of the sun," is an Arabic idiom meaning 'the western-most point' of his expedition. However, in general, idioms should not be literally translated.

"...he found it set in a spring of murky water": The Qur'ân is obviously describing what Dhul-Qarnain saw. What Dhul-Qarnain saw was the image of the sun setting in a dark body of water. Since the Qur'ân is clearly describing this from Dhul-Qarnain's direct point of view (the Qur'ân is quite explicit here in doing that), there is in fact no problem with the description of what Dhul-Qarnain saw. Of course you are right when you says that "the sun does not set in a spring of murky water", but try standing at a beach during the time when the sun is about to set and the Critic would be able to see the sun "entering" the sea far in the horizon. This therefore gives us the conclusion that Dhul-Qarnain was somewhere west and by a large body of water, possibly the sea.

Therefore, it is clear the verse says that Dhul-Qarnain went west and saw the sun setting over the horizon so that it looked to him as though it was setting into the sea, which is murky-looking. Have you never stood by on the beach and observe the sun set???

In his famous commentary known as Al-Game' Le Ahkam-el-Qur'ân, Imam Al-Qurtubi (died 671 AH/1273 CE) wrote about this verse:

It is not meant by reaching the rising or setting of the sun that he reached its body and touched it because it runs in the sky around the earth without touching it and it is too great to enter any spring on earth. It is so much larger than earth. But it is meant that he reached the end of populated land east and west, so he found it - according to his vision - setting in a spring of a murky water like we watch it in smooth land as if it enters inside the land. That is why He said, "he found it rising on a people for whom we had provided no covering protection against the sun." (Holy Qur'ân 18:90) and did not mean that it touches or adheres to them; but they are the first to rise on. Probably this spring is a part of the sea and the sun sets behind, with or at it, so the proposition takes the place of an adjective and God knows best.

Imam Fakhr-ud-Deen Ar-Razi wrote in his commentary on the same verse, that

When Zul-Qarnain reached the furthest west and no populated land was left, he found the sun as if it sets in a dark spring, but it is not in reality. The same when sea traveler sees the sun as if it sets in the sea if he cannot see the shore while in reality it sets behind the sea. (At-Tafsir-ul-Kabeer by Ar-Razi, Vol. 21, p. 166)

Imam Ibn Kathir (701-774 AH/1302-1373 CE) wrote in his commentary about this verse, that

"Until, when he reached the setting of the sun" means he followed a certain way till he reached the furthest land he could go from the west. As for reaching the setting of the sun in the sky, it is impossible. What narrators and story tellers say that he walked for a period of time in earth while the sun was setting behind him is unreal, and most of it is from myths of People of the Book and inventions of their liars. "he found it set in a spring of murky water" means he saw the sun according to his vision setting in the ocean and this is the same with everyone ending to the shore seeing as if the sun sets inside it (i.e. the ocean). (Tafsir-ul-Qur'ân Al-'Azeem by Ibn Kathir, Vol. 5, p. 120)

I hold you to a higher standard thean the other non muslims because you claim to have been devout and studied hard before you went astray.
I can accept this pathetic questioning from from others but you should know better.
I really hope you see sense before you meet your maker.

in the first post i meant to write lings instead of pickthall.
my apologies.

AKI agrees Mo was bakery for 4 years.
Carries on fight to prove patronage..
Make revelation that Mohammed did not die at age of 63 for he had a gestation of 4 years. He died at an age of 67 years and married Ayesha at age of of 58 and not at age of 54 as previously thought.

The Quran goes on to say:
"He (Dhul-Qarnayn) then journeyed along another road until he reached the East and saw the sun rising upon a people whom We (Allah) had exposed to its flaming rays."
Then he followed another route where he dams up a valley between Two Mountains using blocks of iron which turn into molten brass.

And then there's the tale of the Sleepers of the Cave (an allusion to a story of the Seven Sleepers) Quran 18:10, where Muhammad doesn't even know the number of sleepers because his Lord (Allah?) isn't telling him. Is it 3, 5, 7? Only Allah knows!

What, pray tell, is the point of these tales? Why are they in the Quran at all? They were nothing more than commonly told tall tales of the ancients! Is Muhammad just showing off his vast knowledge that could only have come from his god, since he is unlettered, or so he says?

Aki, you got a easy one on Thulqarnain. What about meteorites shooting the jinn? or what about stars fixed on lowest firmament/heaven? what about Mary, mother of Jesus being sister of Aaron? What about Allah swearing to his creation? What about Allah praising himself? What about the many paradoxes?

If the Quran was full of clear signs and easy to understand, then just reading it should do the trick...Why have all these 'scholars' explaining it? The only way to understand Islam is to go to an Imam or scholar and have him explain it to you?
This is a form of idolatry/shirk...You need the Imam for your understanding, when he gives it to you, he becomes your savior...Not Allah or Mohammad...This is Reed Wilson...He constantly explains the Quran because it is too easy to understand...Qurtibi's rambling explanations as presented by Aki (above) are Reed Wilson explanations...That is, making a full page explanation out of something that Allah made simple...The sun setting in a muddy spring is a perfect concept stated by Allah and needs no further explanations...In fact, Allah would like to see Muslims utilize their time a little better...Instead of this intellectual mind twisting, pray more, or do some extra jihading...and everyone knows Allah spoke in quaint and hyphenated language, not Arabic...That's why the ease of understanding Quran is a little too easy to comprehend, that's why you need an Imam scholar to make it complicated enough for you to 'get it'...Reed is right about that, if you need a scholar to explain it to you, you are missing the point...

if you need a scholar to explain it to you, you are missing the point.

That's why no one ever got it...it seemes.

Hi Ya Ram Singh Rajput

Your post is a dead give-away of your Paki & Muslim credentials. Taking on your neighbor's name does not quite work to hide your Islamic pedigree. The fact is you are so ashamed of your Islamic roots and are unable to defend it that has necessitated this subterfuge.

But as I said "welcome to Islam-watch". Stay on the site and go through the debates. Hopefully, you'll come to know the truth about your Pophead and the cult he has founded. Hopefully reason will dawn on you and the world would be a better place with one less unnatural camel lover.

Good news and bad I'm afraid! My rabbi friend has got back to me:

The Torah verse states: "She (Batya) opened [it], and she saw him, the child, and behold, he was a weeping lad, and she had compassion on him, and she said, 'This is [one] of the children of the Hebrews.' His sister said to Pharaoh's daughter, 'Shall I go and call for you a wet nurse from the Hebrew women, so that she shall nurse the child for you?' "

and she saw him, the child, and behold, he was a weeping lad,

Lad? The Torah in Hebrew uses the word 'Lad'?
I would have thought it would use the word 'bloke', or even 'Mate', but 'Lad'?

He was a weeping bloke, sounds better...

'This is [one] of the children of the Hebrews.
I think our lad is staying up late. AKI it must be jews inst it.

Can ou also give us some information on languages of crying for example crying in arabic , hebrew and chineese.
I didnt know one could cry in different languages.

This is conversation between a ( me) and b (mr khan)
you can c ur way out!
Cretins!

No problem bud!
Crying like a bitch- see duh
crying like a poof- see a mirror

end if lecture!

Anything else sweetheart?

The Talmud asks why Miriam (Moses' sister) suggested to Batya that she should look for a wet nurse from the Hebrews, and explains that Batya had brought Moses to a number of Egyptian wet nurses but he had refused to suckle. At that point Miriam suggested that perhaps a Hebrew wet nurse would work... (Sotah 12) The Talmud explains that because Moses' mouth was destined to converse directly with God, God did not allow him to nurse from a pagan.

Wet nurses were common. However the rabbi did Not find any solid evidence to say batya tried to wet nurse Moses. However it is a common tale among the Jews!!!!

This is conversation between a ( me) and b

This is a public forum bloke...if you want private conversation start your own web site...

And who are you to demand anything bloke?...You can't back up your own hateful statements and then hide behind hate sites...
If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen bloke...

And forever crying like a muslim = AKI the baby who lost his toys for he threw them all out of the pram.

AKI do you know how to cry in hebrew also......

Now!!!!! the word LADIES !!!!! is

a curse word …really????? !!!!!!

it is demeaning word to a man …haha
a Muslim man talk …no surprise their

It is when a bloke says it to a bloke.
But I don't expect you to understand.
"no surprise THERE" at least get it right.
Now run along like a good little girl!
I'm sure there is stuff you should be doing in the kitchen!!!


:-)

You little man …small man[as small in mind] ….run little boy to your Muslim papa ….may be, he want to use YOU as a tool to Bomb some unsuspecting innocents.
DO NOT SEND NO SMILE to me ...MR …
nothing we are doing here is FUNNY …small man
Typical

Have I hit a raw nerve sweetheart? don't let it worry your pretty head!!
Will a wink do?
;-)

You did not hit anything ….I am used to Muslim men being Bullies to Muslim women …it is OK ..I have seen a lot more horrific to put it in words…from Muslim men like you

funny man ….your filthy Quran tell YOU muslim men ….. to hit something…. let me see….oh Yaaaa

your wives …

take your copy of Quran and flush it …that is what its worth to me…
tool man

Aki better to start wearing abaya for you will be safe in there.
And then you can also use your Quranic training to become a bigger tool as you already are a tool.
Did you get trained in a madarsa for you cry like somebody who has been had in a madarsa.
How is your Jihadist training going on...........

Aki, you know what is your loop hole when you posted from Jewish tradition:

"The Talmud asks why Miriam (Moses' sister) suggested to Batya that she should look for a wet nurse from the Hebrews, and explains that Batya had brought Moses to a number of Egyptian wet nurses but he had refused to suckle. At that point Miriam suggested that perhaps a Hebrew wet nurse would work... (Sotah 12) The Talmud explains that because Moses' mouth was destined to converse directly with God, God did not allow him to nurse from a pagan.

Wet nurses were common. However the rabbi did Not find any solid evidence to say batya tried to wet nurse Moses. However it is a common tale among the Jews!!!!"

I wonder why majority of muzzies are dumb. Why don't you think in the above post you just posted?
Look, If moses would accept Bitaya breast feeding, why she would ask other eygptian women and after unsuccessful attempt, Bitaya was compelled to hire the mother of Moses original mother.
These were the tales from Hebrews and then Muslims in copied it. It is very comprehensible that Jews wanted to make Moses more miraculous and the real prophet so that the god, planned that Moses will drink milk from his own mother's breast and not any woman's else in the world. Are you dumb or what?

So now, do you call moses own mother a wet nurse. Oh comon man, wake up, it means your mother had been also your wet nurse. Or did your mother sent you to any other women and wet nurse to be under fostered? If your answer is, "NO", then you are not a devout muslim, because you didn't follow the path of sunnah.
But muhammad bin abdullah, how pathatic he was that he suckled other women's milk but not Amina's (His own mother) there is no such record. Atleast Moses has upper hand to muhammad.

My question about the Linda's book where she describe about the history of wet nurses. but you are always avoiding this question. this question is still there.

Aki, I wrote my response to you but you are lucky that my last post has been eaten up by the admin of this website. I will wait for tomorrow, if it wouldn't post by tomorrow I will write it again to you. I am the man of my words.

Have a nice day(But after leaving Islam and follow me as a true prophet)

Mohammad.A.Khan

abaya, Quran, masrassa
yeah matey all the above, if it keeps you happy!
What's the weather like on your planet?

The second part of the email from the rabbi keeps going to admin!

'Matey' now...No one in Pakistan uses that word...It's not in the Quran...You must be one of the crusaders who invaded the UK...Or your parents are...What Islamic paradise did your parents escape from Somalia? Yemen? Don't be ashamed matey, there are a lot of good things to be said of Somalia...And Yemen is at the top of
the list...

Aki wrote: I'm sure there is stuff you should be doing in the kitchen!!!

Umar in hadith sais something similar to his wife. Muslim men always remind/give women (of) their kitchen right, how gentle!

May I like Mary poppins, matey. Maybe I'm a dick van dyke fan!
Are a expert in linguistics? Thought not!!!!!
Sod off! Get you head around that!!!!

77:20
أَلَمْ نَخْلُقكُّم مِّن مَّاءٍ مَّهِينٍ AKI translate this to your hearts content. This roevelation from ALLAH is the vital prooof that you are made from vile stuff there you are a bad product. This applies to all muslims who beleive in Allah.

فَبَعَثَ اللَّهُ غُرَابًا يَبْحَثُ فِي الْأَرْضِ لِيُرِيَهُ كَيْفَ يُوَارِي سَوْءَةَ أَخِيهِ ۚ قَالَ يَا وَيْلَتَا أَعَجَزْتُ أَنْ أَكُونَ مِثْلَ هَٰذَا الْغُرَابِ فَأُوَارِيَ سَوْءَةَ أَخِي ۖ فَأَصْبَحَ مِنَ النَّادِمِينَ


Can you tell who is disgracing whom. Who is the sinner and who is the victim. Maybe Allah lost the plot on this too.

Aki, my reply has been posted and I hope it is enough truth for you to digest.

Have a nice day(but after leaving Islam and follow me as a true prophet)

Mohammad.A.Khan

And yes, when you say that wet nurses were old customs in middle-east, notwithstanding, you failed to tell me who were the Umar's, Bakar's Uthman's and Ali's wet nurses. Ok leave them alone. Now tell me from Jewish traditions,

Who was the foster parents, or wet nurses, of Abraham?
Who was the foster parents, or wet nurses, of Ishmael?
Who was the foster parents, or wet nurses, of Isaac?
Who was the foster parents, or wet nurses, of Jacob?
Who was the foster parents, or wet nurses, of Joseph?
Who was the foster parents, or wet nurses, of David?
Who was the foster parents, or wet nurses, of Salomon?
Who was the foster parents, or wet nurses, of Jesus?

If you are truthful give me accounts of these above posted questions so that we could verify it that foster parents or wet nurses were common custom in olden days. But if you can't verify these questions, then you should believe that Muhammad the son of abudullah bin abdulmutalib, was a sinster and devil child, for his mother casted him out to lend him to other women.

Have a nice day(but leaving Islam and follow me as a true prophet)

Mohammad.A.Khan

my words are still there, and I will keep using for people like you who are here just for nothing but to waste their own time and others time.

If you can't answer, these questions, (get lost in your own muslim world and die in sand.)

Have a nice day(but leaving Islam and follow me as a true prophet)

Mohammad.A.Khan

Stop pissing In the wind
1. You argued that the prophets mother hated him and gave him to a wet nurse and there is no history of wet nursing! You used umar, and abu bakr as evidence.
I refuted that and gave you abu sufyan and it was common.
Ibn saad was the reference and lings.
2. You then complained that lings is a bad reference
so I gave you several references that wet nursing was common then and even before the prophet.
3. I then I gave you the biblical story of Moses. I didn't manage to get a reference for batya trying to breast feed Moses. But I did give you a biblical reference of batya hiring a wet nurse. Again proving my point that wet nurses were common.
It is inconsequential to the point whom batya hired. It was a wer nurse according to her.
4. I absolutely destroyed your piss poor attemp at 18:86
where you foolish claims about sunsets.
5. The reference you crave:
book: medical history, volume 33, page 360-370
you are not an academic that's for sure because it's easily understandable from my original post! You have bought nothing to the debate.
Any chance of chatting with the original MA Khan!!!!

May I like Mary poppins, matey. Maybe I'm a dick van dyke fan!

You probably like a lot of haram stuff...Western culture has corrupted you matey bloke...But don't worry, I won't tell Allah about it...Of course, Allah finds out a lot without my help, so I can't guarantee that you are out of the dog house...I guess you will find out soon enough...As far as I know, there are no matey blokes in Paradise...but there may be some in Allah's furnace room...Allah sent you on a crusade to bring purity to kufr lands and not to be corrupted yourself...If you like Dick Van Dyke, you have fallen deeply into the kufr well of corruption...I bet you do like Mary Poppins...but your fantasies will never be fulfilled...Allah is not going to will that...You need to spend more time on loonwatch communing with Danios...he has helped many lost Muslims rid themselves of Poppin-mania and regain their self respect...

Dying in the sand or talking to you!!!!!
I'm now starting to think desert!!!

18.86. Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found set in a spring of murky water. BUT HE WAS MISTAKEN, ALLAH KNOWS BEST. Near it he found a people : We said: 'O Zul-qarnain (thou hast authority), either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness.'

You really like the sound of your own voice.
Taking all that time to type rubbish!

Aki, I am very sorry to say you are trying to sneak out of the debate, by posting your pussy references. Mind you, I neither believe in Jewish scriptures nor in any Islamic craps.
You dont have even guts to weight your own references in order to make them more logical and justified. you are leaping in jubilant that you gave me references , like "HAHAAHA, HOO HOO" like a 10 year old kid. Look How I refuted your references which are highly based, sorry to say, on pussy logic.

If Lings say's that aby sufyan was a foster child, then how on earth, he forgot to tell about Umar, bakar, uthman and Ali and his progeny. It is obvious that they were never been considered as devil child as Muhammad did so. And I have clearly mentioned this above in my one of the blogs. Aby sufyan became a foster child, is because Muslim historians needed someone to hide their prophet's tarnished character who was a devil-child.

One last point, you believe that Lings says abu sufyan was a foster child. what makes you at spurn when Lings says in his same book that on conquest day of Mecca, muhammad broke all the idols but not Icons of Abraham, Jesus and Marry. Why don't you believe this now? is this logic hits ur butt?

You will have a nice day(but after leaving Islam and follow me as a true prophet)

Mohammad.A.Khan

You really do have the mentality of a child!
Tell about the book of Ismael, Isaac, Aaron, John, ........................etc etc.
Can't find any?????
Why would there be a record of their childhood????
Even with the prophets who bought scripture, why would their childhood be mentioned unless it's relavent to a situation.
Think, use you nogging!

As for you refuting anything is laughable.
The references are there in black and white.
"pussy" a classic sign of panic and backtracking.

to Aki, files are closed. and debate is over.

At least you learnt something that wet-nurses were not a common tradition in olden days, hence, muhammad bin abdullah was a sinster child of arabia...

Remember one thing in your life, never try to jump into when you are not fully aware of. by here and there references can't make you champion of words or debate. When you try to get some reference, so please try to use your brain, that how much is the truth in the reference, who is the writer and what were the background of that time. This is my a gentle advice to you. Rest it is upto you, that follow as I say, or go by what your mullah says.

Aki, I am very sorry to say you are trying to sneak out of the debate, by posting your pussy references. Mind you, I neither believe in Jewish scriptures nor in any Islamic craps.
You dont have even guts to weight your own references in order to make them more logical and justified. you are leaping in jubilant that you gave me references , like "HAHAAHA, HOO HOO" like a 10 year old kid. Look How I refuted your references which are highly based, sorry to say, on pussy logic.

If Lings say's that aby sufyan was a foster child, then how on earth, he forgot to tell about Umar, bakar, uthman and Ali and his progeny. It is obvious that they were never been considered as devil child as Muhammad did so. And I have clearly mentioned this above in my one of the blogs. Aby sufyan became a foster child, is because Muslim historians needed someone to hide their prophet's tarnished character who was a devil-child.

One last point, you believe that Lings says abu sufyan was a foster child. what makes you at spurn when Lings says in his same book that on conquest day of Mecca, muhammad broke all the idols but not Icons of Abraham, Jesus and Marry. Why don't you believe this now? is this logic hits ur butt?

You will have a nice day(but after leaving Islam and follow me as a true prophet)

Mohammad.A.Khan

sorry my post was reposted the 2nd part. actually i copy them before I am ready to hurl. Technical errors makes be bore so my post is:

to Aki, files are closed. and debate is over.

At least you learnt something that wet-nurses were not a common tradition in olden days, hence, muhammad bin abdullah was a sinster child of arabia...

Remember one thing in your life, never try to jump into when you are not fully aware of. by here and there references can't make you champion of words or debate. When you try to get some reference, so please try to use your brain, that how much is the truth in the reference, who is the writer and what were the background of that time. This is my a gentle advice to you. Rest it is upto you, that follow as I say, or go by what your mullah says.

You will have a nice day(but after leaving Islam and follow me as a true prophet)

Mohammad.A.Khan

Fair dues! I still maintain my position.
There no god worthy of worship aside from Allah(swt) and the prophet Muhammad( pbuh) was his messanger!

Thank you for your advice, it cuts both ways!
All the best!

Yes I can see your position, as I went through you.

There is no god, no allah and muhammad is a prophet of devil

You will have a nice day(but after leaving Islam and follow me as a true prophet)

Mohammad.A.Khan

'Prophet' Mohammad told lies to get power and fulfil his sexual urges. Muslims who are slaves to Islam use a lot of twisted logic and taqqiya (lies) to try to give different meaning to evil, hateful and threatening suras.
To cover one lie , Muslims are having to tell many lies.
'Prophet' Mohammad corrupted the Bible and lied that Jesus did not die on the Cross.
More than 60% of Quran is hatred and threats.

If only I got a penny everytime some pratt repeats the same old evangelical mantra, I would be seriously rich!!!
how about you sod off and learnt your own book!

If only I got a penny everytime some pratt repeats the same old evangelical mantra, I would be seriously rich!!!

Thanks for telling the truth of being a Muslim.

There no god worthy of worship aside from Allah(swt)...

Matey bloke, are you saying there is more than one God? And all this time I thought there was only one...How do you know about them? The first commandment of the Bible ten is that you shall not have any other gods before YHVH...
Does that mean the Bible and Quran are in agreement, that there are other gods, your just not supposed to worship any of them?...
Who are these 'other gods', and why are they called 'gods' to begin with?
Since you mentioned them, I wonder if you can list who they are?

Mr. Aki, files are opened back, because this Islam-Watch is same as a court of justice where criminals are brought into the light after scrutinze the whole situation about the criminals and then the judge set a sentence for them after the decision of the jury.

our debate started taht wet nurses either an old custom or not, and you hold comment that it is old custom just to put veil on your prophet to save him from what he did to his father and mother even he didn't come to this world. The reference of the Lings you gave me is very pathatic. you said:
"As for you refuting anything is laughable.
The references are there in black and white.
"pussy" a classic sign of panic and backtracking."

But what when William Muir says in his book, "

"When another two years were ended, some strange events occured to the boy which greatly alarmed his nurse. it was probably a fit of epilepsy, but Mahometan legends invested it with so many marvellous features that it is difficult to discover the real facts. It is certain that the apprehensions of Halima and her husband were aroused; for Arab superstitions was wont to regard the subject of such ailment as under the influence of an EVIL SPIRIT."

doesn't this justifies my logic that Muhammad was a devil child? Yes it does. So why don't you believe that Muhammad was sent away by his mother Amina, because she thought her son is a devil who took his own father's life, even before coming to this world. Thus, she sent him away when he was just only 8 years old, in her view, lest she might get harm from him too.

You will have a nice day(but after leaving Islam and follow me as a true prophet)

Mohammad.A.Khan

P.S. may be you try to avoid this conversation now, and it will prove that whatever you said in this debate is nothing but pussy evidences.

sorry it is not 8 years, but 8 days old when muhammad was sent away.

Truth hurts.
Being offensive is the lowest form of answer. You can ave your opinions and I can have my opinions as long as we don't take others' rights, but many Muslims' (like yourself) opinions and beliefs make this a more dangerous world. Instead of doing something about violent Muslims, who kill most Muslims, you are offensive to many posters on this site who see Islam as a threat and with justification if you look at the news -e.g.
Pilgrims (Shia) in Iraq killed by Muslims
School children in a school bus killed by Muslims in Pakistan

So the debate is over! we reached the final conclusion. Islam is an evil cult indoctrinated by another evil child of sin!!

Will you stop your foolish battle, and come to the normal human brotherhood, Reed?

That was not the conclusion

aki if this is not the conclusion, then why you stop replying me over this forum?

Because I wasn't getting through to you. Even when your points got demolished! Then mr k closes the case, oh wait he reopens again! Then gets frustated and starts name calling like a kid!
Then you throw William muir as some kind of Islamic authority!
The mind boggles! You may as well of quoted Robert Spencer, it would have had the same validity!

O.K. All other's logic are false and based upon week, substandard evidence. So why don't you come up with some strong formidable evidence and logic to refute the claim?

Dwito to Aki...So why don't you come up with some strong formidable evidence and logic to refute the claim?

Because they don't do things like that in Yorkshire...There used to be some formidable evidence, and logic in Yorkshire, but Muslin invader crusaders have nearly wiped it out...Yorkshire ain't what it used to be...

Aki, if you know, sometimes in the court when the case is dismissed so it is very possible that case could be reopened after deep scrutiny.
Thus you as a criminal, was very happy and begged allah thanks for him that I closed my case so that I could not proceed it. This is what your example is.
But I am sorry that your happiness couldn't last for long.
This is my right that I can give you any author's name if you can give me Lings name. So, I said only this that according to william muir he said that Muhammad was a devilish child. Now you don't have proof other than Muhammad's, Moses, and Abu sufyan's stories that any other prominent character, in that time or even before, was ever been fostered or or hired wet-nurse for them. Thus, you merely started to believe that to hire wet-nurses was common practice in the olden days, just to hide the truth that Amina hated his son.

For Moses case, the story is all different and don't apply with Muhammad. You even couldn't give me the proof, when I asked you about Abraham, jacob, Ishmael, Isaac, David and Jesus, if there were any wet-nurses were hired for them. But you totally silent on that question.
Not only this, but you don't have record of Umar's, Uthman's, ALi and Bakar's childhood that if they were temporarily fostered by strange parents. even though you were silent and couldn't answer satisfactly.

The conclusion is clear.

Dude, I understand that you want to protect your prophet but defend him logically not idiotically.

You will have a nice day(after leaving Islam and follow me as a true prophet)

Mohammad.A.Khan

Go ahead cover your arse, it's ok! Open close open close whatever you like!
I also gave you ibn saad, conveniently forgot that? Never mind!
We did establish that wet nursing was common and around in Arabia. One ref you understood the other you couldn't decipher because it was from a scientific paper.
Your argument holds no water. Abraham, Jesus, johns etc wet nurse??
Only relavent parts of infancy or childhood are mentioned. Not for the sake of it but fir a reason. No scripture will tell you what their favourite colour was? Why would they mention a wet nurse unless it's relavent.
Again you try to wriggle, oh but what of abu bakr, umar etc?
Does the bible mention the childhood of matthew, mark, luke of john!
Why would there be any writing about those people and their childhood unless it is mentioned in conjunction with muhammad(pbuh) and jesus(pbuh).
Oh your fallacy mr khan.
Let's not forget the occasional scripture you didn't understand!

There was no need for wet nursing...I am an expert on baby bottles, so I will 'splain' it to you...Baby feeders were known as far back as 2000 bc and possibly beyond the stone age...The earliest baby feeding cup was discovered in Cyprus and is in the British Museum...
Other examples come from Babylonian, Greek, Roman, Etruscan and ancient Jewish areas....That baby feeders were not known in ancient Arabia is unlikely, since there are examples from the general neighborhood...Wet nursing for hire is almost unknown today because baby bottles are cheaper than a wet nurse...Most likely there was not much wet nursing going on in ancient days either, for much the same reason...Today, adults use a variation called a beer bottle...

I damn care, what bible says about who. If it doesn't say about Abraham's childhood or any other character's childhood, this is not my problem. I dont believe in any scripture whether Bible, Quran, Vedas etc...

The point is that your logic to defend your prophet as an innocent child is as week as your ahadiths. For example, your dad do mischievous or misconduct to justify it logical. So as a son, you will defend him that he did it because it was the custom of that time. But remaining others who saw them they won't say that your father did it because it was custom to do misconduct. Thus you will write a book about ur father and try to justify allegations upon your father, this is very logical. But there would not be anyone else that you could hurl the same allegations upon them, lest they will charge you for a severe penalty of lies that you threw upon them.

So this is the same case with muhammad. You know that very well now, and you have learnt one thing in this debate that wet nurses was not common practice, but to divert the story of Muhammad being a devil child, as William Muir mentioned in his book, Muslims had to make up a story which was full of BS. Historians also wrote big stories on Umar the second caliph of Islam but there is no such account of his childhood. However, Abu Bakar, was said to have a friend of Muhammad since childhood but no such record, he was ever been fostered by strange parents.

I am sorry that it hurt your feelings and you would definitly found me very rigid and rough hand, but sorry to say it is my nature. You will learn many things from me. Well your time for another class is almost near which I gave you 72 hours to rectify your mistake. I will be there tomorrow.

You will have nice day(after you leave Islam and follow me as a true prophet)

Mohammad.A.Khan

Don't worry about my feelings, I'm a big boy!
Look at the reality, I'm a Muslim who is posting on an islamophobic website!
Do you really think I care what you think???

Do you really think I care what you think?

No, we certainly don't. we are not that fool. we know if you ought to have that ability to think, you at least didn't call this site as islamophobic.

Look, big boy. This is true that there's no dearth of wet nursing in ancient days. but they had some specific, normal and acceptable reasons.

1. Delivery death was a common unfortunate instances in earlier times. In such cases wet nurses were first choice for the helpless guardians. But this is not applicable to Mo.
2. Mothers often fell seriously ill after delivery, making them unable to feed. This is also inapplicable for this case.
3. Mothers of rich families often resorted to wet nurses. in such instances they at least kept the baby for a sufficiently reasonable time. besides they don't hate her child or refuse to lap. wet nurses were kept just as a subsidiary option.

So why Amina a normal mother, could rejected her only child?

Be practical big baby. Leave the dishonest companion, if you could.

Don't worry about my feelings, I'm a big boy!

Not of you live in Yorkshre...You can't be more that 5'2", no one in Yorkshire is bigger than that...As far as Islamophobes are concerned, you are as a gnat...hardly important...a nothing...You are lucky the kuffar Islamophobes here will even respond to you...Who cares what you think doofus? Now go ask your mom for some cookies and milk...it's almost your bedtime...

Muhammad might have been the result of rape by one of the soldiers of the Ethiopian king who invaded with Elephants shortly before Muhammad was born in 570CE, the Year of the Elephant. If Muhammad was thought to be illegitimate, he would have been brought before the statue of Hubal in the Ka'aba and his fate would have been decided by Hubal's Arrows of Divination. If things did not go in Muhammad's favor, he would have been sacrificed at the temple of al-Uzza. Perhaps Muhammad's mother was afraid of the outcome and hid her son to save his life? Just a thought!

Mr.Yibel, the year of elephant you are talking about is in fact the story that Abraha the leader of his army was marchig towards Mecca. The question is that why he was marching towards Mecca to destroy kaaba. It is because he was probably a monotheist and wanted to demolish Polytheism that was very popular in entire Arabia. However, I consider this story and fable and fiction. There is no truth in this story. It was made by the people of Arabia just to pronounce their gods more superior and defender.

In fact, the writer or story teller whoever made up this story about Abraha unsuccessful invasion on Kaaba, they even didn't think that if Allah was the real god of Muslims, how he collapses the army of Abraha, who was coming to destroy kaaba, apparently to demolish idols and icons within its vicintiy. with that Allah him/herself is a convict of that misconduct that teh person who wanted to destroy polytheism, Allah came in their way and destroy all their plans and evil designs. I have also writen in one of my article on this website about this Kaaba and Abraha's matter. you can see in author list and when you will find my name, you can see my essays would be posted over there. I dont remember at the moment in which essay I have said that. But don't get confuse me with MA.Khan the admin of this website. My full name is Mohammad.A.Khan.

I don't know at all about Muhammad's immolation or statue in any temple. But when we read history, it is clear that Arabs were highly superstitious people. they had many unjustified demonic experiences, due to which the death of Abdullah, the father of Muhammad, caused a big blow on his mothers emotion and she was feard that this child is a demonic child. Thus, after the dertortion of Islamic history, no one was willing to foster young muhammad. History tells us that Amina died when he was 6 or 7, not only this but his uncle also died when he was 8. This is the new form of distortion of history to change its essence from real point to the fake point.

To me they were not dead, but in fact they were not willing to adopt their own blood, due to high sense of superstition. Finally Abu Taleb, who might be far less superstitious than others, adopt muhammad in his childhood. I hope you got my point.

Have a nice day!

Mohammad.A.Khan

I don't see big elephant like the biggest "Mahmood" going from Jemen to Arabia through the desert etc. The soldiers would be too busy carrying all that water for the elephants (lol).

Yes mach, I also discussed this theory in my same article that I just posted above. this is ridiculous to believe in 21st century that elephants were marching in the desers of Arabia. nice poetry but ugly lie in the quran.

have a nice day

Mohammad.A.Khan

Why are so many people here asking for enlightenment about Islam from the resident liar?

Read Mo's biography and you will know how a Muslim is to act. Mo was everything you would not want your kids or your neighbours to be.

To Mr. Mohammad.A.Khan
You have written: "With the support of the Patriarch of Alexandria, the Axumite emperor Caleb fought a war against Jewish traders and colonists in Yemen in AD 523 (523 CE) in response to the persecution of Christians there, imposing Ethiopian administration for a time."

Somewhat true. However:
The Roman/Byzantine Empire itself was also involved. In response to the persecution of the Christians by King Dhu Nuwas, the Jewish Himyarite ruler of Yemen, the Emperor Justinian supplied transport ships to carry the Axumite/Ethopian troops and ELEPHANTS to Yemen King Dhu Nuwas had destroyed the Christian fortresses in the Yemeni highlands, sacked Christian Najran (Saudi Arabia) and "massacred his Christian subjects by throwing them into a ditch and setting them on fire." ("Lost to the West" by Lars Brownworth, pg.72).

This Aksumite/Ethiopian military intervention, aided by the Roman/Byzantine fleet, occurred in 518-523. One of the military commanders was a man named Abraha (Abreha) who became the Aksumite Christian viceroy in southern Arabia. Abraha reportedly led an army of 100,000 men with HUNDREDS OF ELEPHANTS and successfully crushed all resistance of the Yemeni army within two years. Following the suicide of King Dhu Nuwas, Abraha seized power and became a self-styled King of Saba', Yemen putting the Christian Ethiopians in charge of the spice trade.

By helping the Christian Ethiopias qain control of the throne in Yemen, the Roman/Byzantine Empire gained access to the ancient sea trade routes and the long arm of Justinian now reached from the Red Sea to India with its very lucrative spice trade, and effectively cutting the Arab caravans (and the Persians as well) out of the spice trade loop. ("Lost to the West" by Lars Brownworth, pg.72). Remember: It was really ALL ABOUT THE MONEY.

After the defeat of the Jewish king of Yemen, the Arab caravan spice trade dwindled, sending the region into a severe depression. The desert dwelling Arabs, dependant on Yemen for food, took to raiding the Yemeni villages. (Unlike today, Yemen, in the 6th century, was a rich agricultural area thanks to dams in the mountainous region which stored the monsoon rains.)

According to early Islamic historians, such as Ibn Ishaq, Abraha had built a cathedral at San'a' known as "al-Qullays" (from the Greek Ekklesia) to rival the Kaaba at Makkah. (Apparently "Al-Qullays" was famous, even gaining the notice of the Byzantines, and Abraha attempted to divert the hajj to it. He named Muhammad ibn Khuza`i ibn Khuzaba al-Dhakwani al-Sulami emir of Mudhar and sent him to Makkah and the Hijaz with a message that "al-Qullays" was both much better than other houses of worship and purer, having not been defiled by the housing of idols. When Muhammad ibn Khuza'i got as far as the land of Kinana, people of the lowland, a man of Hudhayl, called `Urwa bin Hayyad al-Milasi, shot him with an arrow, killing him. Muhammad ibn Khuza'i's brother, Qays, escaped to Abraha and told him the news, which increased Abraha's rage and fury and he swore to raid the Kinana tribe and destroy the temple at Makkah. Ibn Ishaq further states that one of the men of the Quraysh was angered by this, and going to Sana'a, slipped into the church at night and defiled it; it is widely assumed that they did so by defecating in it.

So are you saying there were elephants in the Arabian peninsula those days?
A direct and stinging rebuke of our local doyen mr muhammed a khan- non editor???

And now, back to the ELEPHANTS!
A military expedition of forty thousand men, led by a white elephant named Mahmud, and possibly other elephants as well (some accounts state there were several elephants, maybe even as many as eight) was sent to destroy the Ka'aba in 565/570 CE (aka The Year of the Elephant). On the way, they defeated several Arab tribes, but were defeated near Makkah when the elephants refused to attack and birds dropped stones on the army causing the troops to flee. According to the Islamists, Abraha led the expedition and was killed by the stones.

Now here's what really happened:
It is highly improbable that the Christians wanted the pagan Arabs to make hajj at a
Christian Cathedral. The Ethiopians (probably one of Abraha's two sons) came with troops in order to wipe out the Kinana in revenge for killing the Ethiopian envoy who had been sent to negotiate a deal to stop the raiding, and the Quraysh for defiling the cathedral, "al-Qullays." But is is also likely that some ELEPHANTS were involved as the Ethiopians used elephants as pack animals and as cavalry and elephants were available to them in Yemen. This proved to be a very bad tactical mistake on the part of the Ethiopians who were probably not familiar with the desert region to the north of Yemen, and the poor elephants ended up dead in the desert like "withered stalks of plants devoured by cattle." (Q. surah Al-Fil, 105).

Remember when I said: IT WAS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. Well, following the defeat of the Army of the Elephant at Makkah, the Aksumite Ethiopians in Yemen were severely weakened. Between 570 and 575, the Sassanid Persian king (wants the
lucrative spice trade back!) sent troops under the command of Wahriz to help Sayf ibn Dhi Yazan (also wants the lucrative spice trade back!) drive the Aksumites from Yemen and Southern Arabia. GOT THE LUCRATIVE SPICE TRADE BACK!!

The Sassanid rule of Yemen lasted from 570 UNTIL 629 ce, when Muhammad (who also wants the lucrative spice trade!) sends a letter by messenger (perhaps Salman, the Farsi/Persian) to the Persian satrap of Yemen, a man named Badhan, inviting him to accept Islam (MADE HIM AN OFFER HE COULDN'T REFUSE). Badhan converts, and Muhammad now has Yemen as an Islamic province and control of the lucrative spice trade: FOLLOW THE MONEY.

The reason Muhammad's referred to this event:
When Muhammad and his followers were forced to flee from Makkah, some of them went to Yemen for safety, where they were welcomed. Muhammad was desperately trying to hold onto his remaining followers. The defeat of the elephant army proved the failure of the Christians, and therefore their religion. By reminding his followers that the Ethiopian Christians were the LOSERS, something that no honor-bound Arab ever wants to be, Muhammad was insuring that the rest of his little band would not follow them. In Muhammad's day, there would be people still alive who remembered this event, and Muhammad was counting on their memory to drive home his point: Winners listen to their prophets, losers don't!!

This theme of WINNERS (Muslims) vs. LOSERS (everybody else) runs throughout the entire Qur'an. You really can't make this stuff up!!

" this is ridiculous to believe in 21st century that elephants were marching in the desers of Arabia"

surely not yibel, this cannot be true. Your sources must be wrong. I mean me khan has a written an article to say otherwise.
What else is mr khan wrong about?
Hhhmmm where to Start?

First, nobody knows when or what happened in the year of the elephant. Some say the year of the elephant was some 50 years before Muhammad came on stage (born) and some say it never happened. The truth is, wether it happened or not, it surely didn't happen as islamic stories want us to believe. Most likely is that if the christian soldiers (army af Abraha) attacked Mekka, they got on their way to it, sick. Many died of exhaustion and draught etc. No birds were involved. The birds thing is a tribute to the lagacy of Meccan believe system. Mecca in the so called yahilia time was protected by heavenly birds (cranebirds) and on each corner of the sanctury of mecca there was a statue of a divine bird (godess).
There is a book coming out in oktober and is called "the anouncement" and it is prozaic. The story is about Shaiba (abdulmuttalib) and goes till the birth of Muhammad.

Mr. Yibel, you have levied allegation on me by saying that,

"To Mr. Mohammad.A.Khan
You have written: "With the support of the Patriarch of Alexandria, the Axumite emperor Caleb fought a war against Jewish traders and colonists in Yemen in AD 523 (523 CE) in response to the persecution of Christians there, imposing Ethiopian administration for a time."

No sir I nowhere mentioned in my any blog the above posted statement. You might got confused. Please recheck who stated that statement.

you said, "" this is ridiculous to believe in 21st century that elephants were marching in the desers of Arabia"

surely not yibel, this cannot be true. Your sources must be wrong. I mean me khan has a written an article to say otherwise.
What else is mr khan wrong about?
Hhhmmm where to Start? "

I tell you where to start. Open your quran, find chapter feel, and see what it says. If you deny your hadith and history, then also deny your quran as a word of god. because your hadith and history has been picked up from quran.

you will have a nice day(but after relinguish Islam and follow me as a true messenger of Mautand)

Mohammad.A.Khan

So is yibel wrong????? Yes/ no?
You say there were no elephants in Arabia pre islam and you boasted you had written articles about it.
Yibel gave you evidence that there clearly were elephants in Arabia pre islam!

Be a man and eat some humble pie and say you were talking crap!!!

Be a man and eat some humble pie and say you were talking crap!!!

Could you try to be the pioneer pl.?

The question is not: were there elephants in Arabia pre islam but did an army accompanied by elephants (big ones) go through the desert from Jemen to Mekka? The answer is clearly no. However, elephants are have been used in warfare like hanbal with his elephants (these were different kind of elephants, smaller and did not go through a desert) and others.

Your girlfriends are doing an awful awful job defending you!

Are you saying all muslims are girlfriends of Mo? Speak for yourself. We only know of the 11 wifes and an amount of sexslaves he had...according to islamic sources. No girlfriends there, most of them were forced to become his wife or slave. Great example indeed.

In my knowledge there were no elephants in Arabia. But Arabia today was not geographically bounded in those day as it is now. Even horses were very scarce in Arabia. Always remember, when we discuss about ancient Arabic history, it is always comprised on few famous cities-- like Mecca, medina, Taif and some more-- but not entire Arabia.

So idiot when you read my article so try to use your $ 300,000 brain that what was the circumstances in those days. My question is that if abraha was coming to demolish polytheism of Kaaba which was brimming with multiple idols, why your Allah came in his way and instead he/she would help abraha,he/she collapsed his army and let Meccans to follow polytheism? I need the answer.

I don't who is my girlfriend, but one thing I know I myself is sufficient to trample u all Muslims under my feet which u deserve for.

You will have a nice day(but after leaving Islam and follow me as a true prophet)

Mohammad.A.Khan

Now which tafseer you think to tell me to review for my question? LOL

Grandfather of Muhammad didn't mind at all when abraha threatened to demolish ka'ba. He said it's baitu-llah so Allah will take care of it. He did mind his 7 or so camels. Allah was a pagan deity and was the lord of Ka'ba.

other viewpoint: If the elephants did cross the desert and made their way to Mekka, then it is indeed a miracle. But why would Allah perform a miracle for those who are about to attack his shrine? confused?

All mussis are Mos girlfriends. He must be laughiing in his grave at his good luck. LOL