In his Cairo Speech to the Muslim world, President Barack Obama said, "The holy Quran tells us... the holy Quran teaches..."
The following are what the holy Quran teaches, but the President Obama know not:
- Qur'an:9:88 "The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah's Cause."
- Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
- Qur'an:9:112 "The Believers fight in Allah's Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed."
- Qur'an:9:29 "Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission."
- Qur'an:8:39 "Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah."
- Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."
- Qur'an:9:14 "Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them."
- Qur'an:8:65 "O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding."
- Qur'an:9:38 "Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah's Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place."
- Qur'an:9:123 "Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you."
- Qur'an:8:72 "Those who accepted Islam and left their homes to fight in Allah's Cause with their possessions and persons, and those who gave (them) asylum, aid, and shelter, those who harbored them – these are allies of one another. You are not responsible for protecting those who embraced Islam but did not leave their homes [to fight] until they do so." [Another translation reads:] "You are only called to protect Muslims, who fight."
- Qur'an:48:16 "Say (Muhammad) to the wandering desert Arabs who lagged behind: 'You shall be invited to fight against a people given to war with mighty prowess. You shall fight them until they surrender and submit. If you obey, Allah will grant you a reward, but if you turn back, as you did before, He will punish you with a grievous torture."
- Qur'an:48:22 "If the unbelieving infidels fight against you, they will retreat. (Such has been) the practice (approved) of Allah in the past: no change will you find in the ways of Allah."
- Qur'an:47:4 "When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam."
- Qur'an:9:19 "Do you make the giving of drink to pilgrims, or the maintenance of the Mosque, equal to those who fight in the Cause of Allah? They are not comparable in the sight of Allah. Those who believe, and left their homes, striving with might, fighting in Allah's Cause with their goods and their lives, have the highest rank in the sight of Allah.
- Qur'an:2:193 "Fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief) and religion is only for Allah. But if they cease/desist, let there be no hostility except against infidel disbelievers."
- Qur'an:2:217 "They question you concerning fighting in the sacred month. Say: 'Fighting therein is a grave (matter); but to prevent access to Allah, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, to expel its members, and polytheism are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they make you renegades from your religion. If any of you turn back and die in unbelief, your works will be lost and you will go to Hell. Surely those who believe and leave their homes to fight in Allah's Cause have the hope of Allah's mercy."
- Qur'an:2:244 "Fight in Allah's Cause, and know that Allah hears and knows all."
- Qur'an:2:246 "He said: 'Would you refrain from fighting if fighting were prescribed for you?' They said: 'How could we refuse to fight in Allah's Cause?'"
- Qur'an:3:146 "How many prophets fought in Allah's Cause? With them (fought) myriads of godly men who were slain. They never lost heart if they met with disaster in Allah's Cause, nor did they weaken nor give in. Allah loves those who are firm and steadfast [warriors]."
- Qur'an:3:153 "Behold! You ran off precipitately, climbing up the high hill without even casting a side glance at anyone, while the Messenger in your rear is calling you from your rear, urging you to fight. Allah gave you one distress after another by way of requital, to teach you not to grieve for the booty that had escaped you and for (the ill) that had befallen you."
- Qur'an:3:154 "Say: 'Even if you had remained in your houses, those ordained to be slaughtered would have gone forth to the places where they were to slain."
- Qur'an:61:4 "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His Cause." Qur'an:61:11 "Believers, shall I lead you to a bargain or trade that will save you from a painful torment? That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad), and that you strive and fight in Allah's Cause with your property and your lives: That will be best for you!"
- Qur'an 61:12 "He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens under which rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Eden: that is indeed the Supreme Achievement. And another (favor) which you love: help from Allah for a speedy victory over your enemies.
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written by Brown Superman , May 14, 2012
Not that he knows not, just left with no choice but to butter the people of terrorism faith so that his stay in Egypt is not marred with bomb-blasts and a sick fatwa calling for his head, like Rushdie's.
written by Gnostic , May 14, 2012
Any criticism against islam or the quran would immediately cause serious troubles such as vandalism and maybe even killings. America needs the oil of the Arabs and thats why no american president would say the truth during a visit in a muslim country. Thats reality.
written by Yibel , May 14, 2012
Surah 55 Ar-Rahman: (45) But for him who fears the standing before his Lord, there will be two Gardens (in Paradise). (46) Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinn and men) deny? (47) With spreading branches. (48) Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinn and men) deny? (49) In them (both) will be two springs flowing. (50) Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinn and men) deny? (51) In them will be every kind of fruit in pairs. (52) Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinn and men) deny? (53) Reclining upon the couches lined with silk brocade, and the fruits of the two Gardens will be near at hand. (54) Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinn and men) deny? (55) Wherein both will be Qasirat-ut-Tarf (chaste females) restraining their glances, desiring none except their husbands, with whom no man or jinni has had Tamth before them. (56) Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinn and men) deny? (57) They are like rubies and coral. (58) Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinn and men) deny? (59) Is there any reward for good other than good? (60) Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinn and men) deny? (61) And besides these two, there are two other Gardens (in Paradise). (62) Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinn and men) deny? (63) Dark green. (64) Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinn and men) deny? (65) In them will be two springs gushing forth. (66) Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinn and men) deny? (67) In them will be fruits, and date- palms and pomegranates. (68) Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinn and men) deny? (69) Therein will be Khairâtun-Hisân (fair maidens) good and beautiful. (70) Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinn and men) deny? (71) Hûr (houris) guarded in pavilions; (72) Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinn and men) deny? (73) With Whom no man or jinni has had Tamth before them. (74) Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinn and men) deny? (75) Reclining on green cushions and rich beautiful mattresses. (76) Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinn and men) deny? (77) Blessed is the Name of your Lord, the Owner of Majesty and Honor, Ar-Rahman. (78)
Muhammad's Quran promises PHYSICAL female companions - for SEX - to those followers of Muhammad who are pre-destined to the Gardens because they died in JIHAD (slaughtering, plundering, raping and enslaving Unbelievers).
And NOT ONCE is the word ALLAH mentioned in this Madinah Sura of 78 verses.
Muhammad's Quran promises PHYSICAL female companions - for SEX - to those followers of Muhammad who are pre-destined to the Gardens because they died in JIHAD (slaughtering, plundering, raping and enslaving Unbelievers).
And NOT ONCE is the word ALLAH mentioned in this Madinah Sura of 78 verses.
written by abc , May 14, 2012
It seems that the US is at war with Islam and wanting to use nuclear weapons on civilian areas.
http://m.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/05/total-war-islam/all/1
http://m.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/05/total-war-islam/all/1
written by fineliving56 , May 14, 2012
You mean, we should run like we have to run from the devout Muslims who want to separate our heads from our bodies for leaving Islam?????????????
written by Brown Superman , May 14, 2012
" It would be wonderful to read some good news stories about Islam and Muslims. Ever since I can remember all I ever hear is violence, bigotry, hatred, repression, intolerance, hypocricy, ignorance and stupidity, bans, prohibition, racism, sexism, theft, waste, mismanagement, corruption, lies, greed. Sounds like one helluva religion' ....... a quote from Malaysia's online newspaper Malaysiakini.
written by Brown Superman , May 14, 2012
The Allah must be a pimp ..... for supplying women. Their heaven should be rightfully called Brothel Al-Paradise.
written by Vineet , May 16, 2012
Have recently stumbled upon this site and was going through some of the previous articles and find it hillarious that how can Islam be called as Religion of Peace.
As pointed out by many others before me, where ever Muslims are in majority no other religion can survive. The population of other religions come down drastically. Case in point Pakistan and Bangladesh. Both had 20-30% population of Hindus, respectively, at the time of their formation but what are the statistics now. Now the mullahs or apologists of Islam, communists, so called Liberals and pseudo secularists will claim that they became Muslimes of their own free will. Very strange families living there for centuries as Hindus became aware of values of Islam only when that part of land became an Islamic state - what loads of bullshit.
I am a Hindu and a proud one as that. A lot has been said about the caste system. It was primarily a differentiation based on jobs rather than birth. We have innumerable examples of higher caste Brahmin accepting learned one born in so called lower class. The drama of caste based cruelty by brahmins was started by Britishers to undermine the age old traditions in our country and communists and their ilk sided with them to present a joke of history for our country. If 90% of Hindus (as claimed by someone in previous posts to some other article) were oppressed backward castes then howcome they were the ones fighting "peaceful and casteless Islam."
Islam got a big jolt only in India cause of the superior spiritual quotient of people and their ability to assimilate. Our ability to tolerate is our biggest weakness and biggest strength at the same time.
Also those calling Hindus and our civilisation as backward, should have applied only a bit of logic that a civlilisation which is over 5000yrs old (as per English calculation, we believe it to be much older) could not have survived by remaining illeterates / backward. Sanskirt word "Anu" is equivalent of Atom and has been used in our ancient texts. Vedas and other text could not have been produced by a backward society.
Yoga has taken over the west is only one of the 6 elements of the complete theory. You guys just got bamboozaled by one (aasanas or physical exercise postures) of the complete well being guide of ours and then you think Christian Missionaries taught us.
The problem with Abrahamic Religions is that they believe only their book and gods are right and rest are all fools and barbaric.
Think of it - Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism all emaneted from Hindu society and accepted as our branches of parent tree.
Our texts even questioned the god - you guys cannot even think of hearing something against a prophet.
Concept of multiple gods and goddesses is honestly beyond "One God One Book" followers to comprehend.
Trust me it is beyond you.
As pointed out by many others before me, where ever Muslims are in majority no other religion can survive. The population of other religions come down drastically. Case in point Pakistan and Bangladesh. Both had 20-30% population of Hindus, respectively, at the time of their formation but what are the statistics now. Now the mullahs or apologists of Islam, communists, so called Liberals and pseudo secularists will claim that they became Muslimes of their own free will. Very strange families living there for centuries as Hindus became aware of values of Islam only when that part of land became an Islamic state - what loads of bullshit.
I am a Hindu and a proud one as that. A lot has been said about the caste system. It was primarily a differentiation based on jobs rather than birth. We have innumerable examples of higher caste Brahmin accepting learned one born in so called lower class. The drama of caste based cruelty by brahmins was started by Britishers to undermine the age old traditions in our country and communists and their ilk sided with them to present a joke of history for our country. If 90% of Hindus (as claimed by someone in previous posts to some other article) were oppressed backward castes then howcome they were the ones fighting "peaceful and casteless Islam."
Islam got a big jolt only in India cause of the superior spiritual quotient of people and their ability to assimilate. Our ability to tolerate is our biggest weakness and biggest strength at the same time.
Also those calling Hindus and our civilisation as backward, should have applied only a bit of logic that a civlilisation which is over 5000yrs old (as per English calculation, we believe it to be much older) could not have survived by remaining illeterates / backward. Sanskirt word "Anu" is equivalent of Atom and has been used in our ancient texts. Vedas and other text could not have been produced by a backward society.
Yoga has taken over the west is only one of the 6 elements of the complete theory. You guys just got bamboozaled by one (aasanas or physical exercise postures) of the complete well being guide of ours and then you think Christian Missionaries taught us.
The problem with Abrahamic Religions is that they believe only their book and gods are right and rest are all fools and barbaric.
Think of it - Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism all emaneted from Hindu society and accepted as our branches of parent tree.
Our texts even questioned the god - you guys cannot even think of hearing something against a prophet.
Concept of multiple gods and goddesses is honestly beyond "One God One Book" followers to comprehend.
Trust me it is beyond you.
written by Brown Superman , May 16, 2012
And from whichever part of the earth, they worship the fragmented black stone (now glued together with Selley's Elephant glue) in the Big Black Cube as the symbol of Allah.
written by Pipo , May 16, 2012
I yet have to meet the first Christian who is not respectful towards other cultures and religions.
I yet have to meet the first Hindu who is not a snob or class-obsessed.
And yet I know that there must be exceptions on both lines.
I yet have to meet the first Hindu who is not a snob or class-obsessed.
And yet I know that there must be exceptions on both lines.
written by Walter Sieruk , May 16, 2012
All these from the Quran expose the truth which is that Islam is a violent and murderous religion. Nevertheless, ther are still people who claim that "Islam is a religion of peace." Not only does the Quran show them to be wrong but also other writtten works of Islam do likewise. In addition to all this the violent and murderous actions of Muslims themselves have likewise proven the above claim to be false. In other words, many Muslims round the world have worked very hard to prove that in reality Islam is a religion of violence. Thus proven by their own action. Either by engaging in practce militant jihadism or by "honor killing as well as other heinous acts of misogyny.
written by Bill , May 16, 2012
abc
I hope that you're right. Too many and too little time for normal weapons
I hope that you're right. Too many and too little time for normal weapons
written by Vineet , May 16, 2012
Dear Pipo
I am from India and considering our multi religious population, chances are that I have seen more people from other faiths than you may have. Just guessing based on the number of religious minorities we have in India (slightly over 1/5th of our population)
Studied in a Christian school in 11th & 12th so can say with a certain degree of conviction that your statement about Christians by & large loving other religions is not correct. Had it been the case then why Church would have worked towards conversions. Why change what you love unless you believe you are superior.
"I yet have to meet the first Hindu who is not a snob or class-obsessed." - Indians in general are class obssessed - yes that is there but it is not limited to Hindus only. Best part is the Casteless Christanity and Islam also discriminate against those who have converted from Hindu lower castes.
Inter class movements were common in pre-Muslim rule India. Refer statement "We have innumerable examples of higher caste Brahmin accepting learned one born in so called lower class. The drama of caste based cruelty by brahmins was started by Britishers to undermine the age old traditions in our country and communists and their ilk sided with them to present a joke of history for our country."
Two of our most respected books - Ramayan and Mahabharat were not written by Sages born in Brahmin (highest caste of learned ones) families but those born in "lower caste" families and crossing the caste boundaries by studying/working hard and became gurus.
Caste loyalty became stronger as ill of the society and not of religion. Understand the difference.
Look forward to your views
I am from India and considering our multi religious population, chances are that I have seen more people from other faiths than you may have. Just guessing based on the number of religious minorities we have in India (slightly over 1/5th of our population)
Studied in a Christian school in 11th & 12th so can say with a certain degree of conviction that your statement about Christians by & large loving other religions is not correct. Had it been the case then why Church would have worked towards conversions. Why change what you love unless you believe you are superior.
"I yet have to meet the first Hindu who is not a snob or class-obsessed." - Indians in general are class obssessed - yes that is there but it is not limited to Hindus only. Best part is the Casteless Christanity and Islam also discriminate against those who have converted from Hindu lower castes.
Inter class movements were common in pre-Muslim rule India. Refer statement "We have innumerable examples of higher caste Brahmin accepting learned one born in so called lower class. The drama of caste based cruelty by brahmins was started by Britishers to undermine the age old traditions in our country and communists and their ilk sided with them to present a joke of history for our country."
Two of our most respected books - Ramayan and Mahabharat were not written by Sages born in Brahmin (highest caste of learned ones) families but those born in "lower caste" families and crossing the caste boundaries by studying/working hard and became gurus.
Caste loyalty became stronger as ill of the society and not of religion. Understand the difference.
Look forward to your views
written by 1proudkaffur4life , May 17, 2012
Well Muslim “abc”
I want to be frank as I can possibly be: I am at war with one of the most despicable religion invented by any human(s) ISLAM! Yes Islam should be the focus, and not individual Muslims, I've written it here before, I pity those who were born into it, but DESPISE those who not only converted to it, but had a chance of getting out of it, and these who make every effort to white-wash Islam any chance they get. After Jim Jones ordered the suicide of his followers, and the news spread all over the world, not one person took up his “religion” You on the other hand took great pains to “justify” the murder of 6 to 900 boys/man on one day by your lice-ridden MuahamMAD!
And you know what since that exchange between the two of us, many more people have been killed by Muslims, because of the example of your lice-ridden profeet, who think Islam is the best thing since sliced bread!
I want to be frank as I can possibly be: I am at war with one of the most despicable religion invented by any human(s) ISLAM! Yes Islam should be the focus, and not individual Muslims, I've written it here before, I pity those who were born into it, but DESPISE those who not only converted to it, but had a chance of getting out of it, and these who make every effort to white-wash Islam any chance they get. After Jim Jones ordered the suicide of his followers, and the news spread all over the world, not one person took up his “religion” You on the other hand took great pains to “justify” the murder of 6 to 900 boys/man on one day by your lice-ridden MuahamMAD!
And you know what since that exchange between the two of us, many more people have been killed by Muslims, because of the example of your lice-ridden profeet, who think Islam is the best thing since sliced bread!
written by Pipo , May 17, 2012
Vineet,
First of all, my remarks were a response to your generalizations of the 'Abrahamic Faiths' in your first post. Just to show you how easy it is to make a biased statement. But when I read you post again I have to admid it was a very good one except for those last four lines.
You say; "Islam got a big jolt only in India cause of the superior spiritual quotient of people and their ability to assimilate. Our ability to tolerate is our biggest weakness and our biggest strenght at the same time".
Well, I think it's not all that different here in Western Europe. A week ago a video was posted here on I.W. about "multi-culturalism in Danmark" which illustrates that very well.
I won't debate you on Hinduism or the caste system since I simply know too little about it. But I thank you for your interesting remarks on the subject.
BTW I don't think Islam is an 'Abrahamic' religion, if it's a religion at all. The adjective 'Abrahamic' should refer to a religion being of Jewish origin only, which is true for Judaism and Christianity (Christianity is Judaism reformed by Jews).
Islam is of Arab origin and it's eclectic in it's essence and most likely fraudulent, the product of multiple authors and bad editing. Steeling and twisting the story of Abraham doesn't make Islam an 'Abrahamic' religion.
In general the differences between the monotheistic religions are simply to big to be ignored.
For instance; "you guys cannot even think of hearing something against a prophet", is true for Islam but it's simply not true when it comes to Judaism and Christianity.
Religion (any religion) and relativism do not go hand in hand very well. But genuine faith and tolerance of course do.
First of all, my remarks were a response to your generalizations of the 'Abrahamic Faiths' in your first post. Just to show you how easy it is to make a biased statement. But when I read you post again I have to admid it was a very good one except for those last four lines.
You say; "Islam got a big jolt only in India cause of the superior spiritual quotient of people and their ability to assimilate. Our ability to tolerate is our biggest weakness and our biggest strenght at the same time".
Well, I think it's not all that different here in Western Europe. A week ago a video was posted here on I.W. about "multi-culturalism in Danmark" which illustrates that very well.
I won't debate you on Hinduism or the caste system since I simply know too little about it. But I thank you for your interesting remarks on the subject.
BTW I don't think Islam is an 'Abrahamic' religion, if it's a religion at all. The adjective 'Abrahamic' should refer to a religion being of Jewish origin only, which is true for Judaism and Christianity (Christianity is Judaism reformed by Jews).
Islam is of Arab origin and it's eclectic in it's essence and most likely fraudulent, the product of multiple authors and bad editing. Steeling and twisting the story of Abraham doesn't make Islam an 'Abrahamic' religion.
In general the differences between the monotheistic religions are simply to big to be ignored.
For instance; "you guys cannot even think of hearing something against a prophet", is true for Islam but it's simply not true when it comes to Judaism and Christianity.
Religion (any religion) and relativism do not go hand in hand very well. But genuine faith and tolerance of course do.
written by Editor, M A Khan , May 17, 2012
No. This website is run by an ex-Muslim and is advised by a group of ex-Muslims, most of them living in Western countries.
written by Vineet , May 18, 2012
In my previous post "Abrahamic" Religions was used more for Christanity and Islam owing to lack of knowledge about Judaism more than anything else. Basic refernce to Middle-East religions. (have very less knowledge about Judaism and hence it was not even on radar)
Tolerance in Christanity is more of a Western concept in the sense that freedom of expression is revered more in West than this side of the globe. Compared with Islam yes Christanity sounds very tolerant but I cannot turn blind eye to the fact that wars have been fought in name of spreading christanity. As I mentioned that I studied in a Christian school for 2 years (Class 11th & 12th) and the contempt that was shown towards Hindu scriptures was something to be seen.
Infact there is a story in Mahabharat (one of our revered scriptures) that Abhimanyu ( a young warrior) hears a secret of war fighting when in his mother's womb. It was beyond comprehension of our scriptures (bible) teacher (in the christian school) that a child can hear things in mother's womb. When confronted with this knowledge that scientifically it is proven, he had no answer to it. He used to ridicule this Mahabharat legend.
Nice to hear comments when other side is ready to listen to other's view points.
Tolerance in Christanity is more of a Western concept in the sense that freedom of expression is revered more in West than this side of the globe. Compared with Islam yes Christanity sounds very tolerant but I cannot turn blind eye to the fact that wars have been fought in name of spreading christanity. As I mentioned that I studied in a Christian school for 2 years (Class 11th & 12th) and the contempt that was shown towards Hindu scriptures was something to be seen.
Infact there is a story in Mahabharat (one of our revered scriptures) that Abhimanyu ( a young warrior) hears a secret of war fighting when in his mother's womb. It was beyond comprehension of our scriptures (bible) teacher (in the christian school) that a child can hear things in mother's womb. When confronted with this knowledge that scientifically it is proven, he had no answer to it. He used to ridicule this Mahabharat legend.
Nice to hear comments when other side is ready to listen to other's view points.
written by abc , May 18, 2012
Firstly mr khan has banned me and my ip address on my i phone no longer works and its a real bain to sit around and type on a laptop. No doubt the ip address of my laptop will be banned too.
Since you addressed me directly then i will answer you directly.
You are at war with islam. Each to his own, so what?
"Yes Islam should be the focus, and not individual Muslims"
Dont lie to yourself. You think that is whats happening here? You are just a tiny footsoldier who is just saying the dead mantra as above. Under the cloak of being a humanist.
Take this website and mr mr khan. Modus operandi is simple, find a crime or a despicable act somewhere in the world and slam it into a muslim scripture. Then write the peripherals and paint all muslims with the same broad brush. Job done.
Take two examples- You have written that you are an ex muslim so i assume that your father and family are/were muslims. Did you ever get taught by your father or mother that it is permissible to have sex with your grandmother?
When you were a muslim, did you know of a person who engaged in such or even heard of such?
Since you addressed me directly then i will answer you directly.
You are at war with islam. Each to his own, so what?
"Yes Islam should be the focus, and not individual Muslims"
Dont lie to yourself. You think that is whats happening here? You are just a tiny footsoldier who is just saying the dead mantra as above. Under the cloak of being a humanist.
Take this website and mr mr khan. Modus operandi is simple, find a crime or a despicable act somewhere in the world and slam it into a muslim scripture. Then write the peripherals and paint all muslims with the same broad brush. Job done.
Take two examples- You have written that you are an ex muslim so i assume that your father and family are/were muslims. Did you ever get taught by your father or mother that it is permissible to have sex with your grandmother?
When you were a muslim, did you know of a person who engaged in such or even heard of such?
written by abc , May 18, 2012
This kind of misinformation will be picked up by people who do not go by your mantra. Their mantra is just destroy Muslims and presto Islam will go to.
So are you going to take responsibility for their actions because it's from your writings and ideology that their actions eminate from. You read about it from time to time!
Some guy beats up a pensioner on the way to morning prayers or some lout pulls a burqa off a lone woman with a baby!
Where do they get their misinformation from. It's from sites like this and people like you.
So are you going to take responsibility for their actions because it's from your writings and ideology that their actions eminate from. You read about it from time to time!
Some guy beats up a pensioner on the way to morning prayers or some lout pulls a burqa off a lone woman with a baby!
Where do they get their misinformation from. It's from sites like this and people like you.
written by abc , May 18, 2012
Take anders behivik inspired by popular catholic islamophobe Robert spencer, fjordman the blogger, Pamela geller the nut job. They say your mantra to the word.
"i got nothing against Muslims but Islam"
Are you going to own up for fuelling these idiots???
Every soul is born in a state of Islam. It's parents and society that will mould the individual. Looks like you hate alot of things.
What are your views on someone like me?
Dad Muslim and mum not, dad Asian but mum is not!
Where do I fit in your hate??
"i got nothing against Muslims but Islam"
Are you going to own up for fuelling these idiots???
Every soul is born in a state of Islam. It's parents and society that will mould the individual. Looks like you hate alot of things.
What are your views on someone like me?
Dad Muslim and mum not, dad Asian but mum is not!
Where do I fit in your hate??
written by abc , May 18, 2012
I read the contributions made from people in this site and you know the thing that makes me chuckle is the the bigots who do actually want to hurt the Muslims fuelled by hate sites do not have the intelligence to know what a Muslim looks like.
Over the last few years in new York, it's the Sikh community I feel sorry for. They have taken a pasting! In Australia it's the Hindu students from India have been beaten black and blue.
The people you fuel live by the mantra " if they are not white then it's alright"
A coloured person to them equals a Muslim!
Over the last few years in new York, it's the Sikh community I feel sorry for. They have taken a pasting! In Australia it's the Hindu students from India have been beaten black and blue.
The people you fuel live by the mantra " if they are not white then it's alright"
A coloured person to them equals a Muslim!
written by fineliving56 , May 18, 2012
Who do you think you are trying to fool …. ?
The sadistic words of Quran brought by your fake prophet cannot be denied !!
Words like …kill,cut,burn,torture,behead,bigamy,slavery,discrimi
nation,mass murder … and on … and on …. are clearly exist in your Quran and there in no way you can deny them …. they should not be there ...no matter what the cause for them … all your excuses of why they are there, does not excuse being there
Unless you rewrite the Quran without such sadistic words and other inhuman acts against women,slaves,children, ex and non Muslims … then we might listen …
of course... you cannot rewrite the Quran … if you do, the whole base of your argument, collapses like house of cards …
You know argument? … the one about Quran being the exact words of Allah and changing them means committing rejection to Islam and apostasy …
So …ABC … what is the solution for such situation ? …
Nothing, but leave islam …the only logical conclusion to the delusion of Allah.
The sadistic words of Quran brought by your fake prophet cannot be denied !!
Words like …kill,cut,burn,torture,behead,bigamy,slavery,discrimi
nation,mass murder … and on … and on …. are clearly exist in your Quran and there in no way you can deny them …. they should not be there ...no matter what the cause for them … all your excuses of why they are there, does not excuse being there
Unless you rewrite the Quran without such sadistic words and other inhuman acts against women,slaves,children, ex and non Muslims … then we might listen …
of course... you cannot rewrite the Quran … if you do, the whole base of your argument, collapses like house of cards …
You know argument? … the one about Quran being the exact words of Allah and changing them means committing rejection to Islam and apostasy …
So …ABC … what is the solution for such situation ? …
Nothing, but leave islam …the only logical conclusion to the delusion of Allah.
written by Abc , May 18, 2012
"Since you addressed me directly then i will answer you directly"
That means its a text for that user!
Unless you are 1proudkaffur4life then I'm not interested!
That means its a text for that user!
Unless you are 1proudkaffur4life then I'm not interested!
written by pipo , May 18, 2012
@abc
MUSLIM PEDOPHILE GANG-RAPE SCARE GRIPS BRITAIN posted on 11 may on I.W.
You didn't show your face there...No wonder.
The motto of that gang must have been something like; "if they are white then it's allright"
I wonder what is fuelling these idiots...maybe you can tell us?
MUSLIM PEDOPHILE GANG-RAPE SCARE GRIPS BRITAIN posted on 11 may on I.W.
You didn't show your face there...No wonder.
The motto of that gang must have been something like; "if they are white then it's allright"
I wonder what is fuelling these idiots...maybe you can tell us?
written by abc , May 18, 2012
Do learn to read.
I had been banned and my ip address was blocked!
But truth is to difficult for you!
I had been banned and my ip address was blocked!
But truth is to difficult for you!
written by abc , May 18, 2012
What is fueling these people??
http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16230458
http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16230458
written by Demsci , May 18, 2012
The Americans have elected a president, Obama, who goes out of his way to be fair and respectful to Muslims, much more so than any of his predecessors. And still many Muslims disapprove of him too, say they are disappointed in him and even believe that it is America that is at war with Islam!
And yes, many democratic citizens are indeed afraid of mighty successful Islam, numbering a staggering 1,57 billion adherents. Many of whom are dedicated to it, in a way the vast majority of democratic citizens cannot imagine themselves being, to anything.
But, Hans Jansen, Dutch Islamologist, has said in the past, that the Islamic clerics and leaders, that they fear democracy, freedom and education for people, especially women! And it's influence detrimental to Islam. And they have the desire to discredit Democracy as much as they can. They view it as blockade, competitor to worldwide supremacy of Islam. And since America is both the biggest and strongest Democratic Nation, they vilify that country the most.
But for how long? Democracy, America, they do not aim for world-supremacy, they can fully accept full Islamic states, should those states accept full Democratic Nations. If only more & more Muslims could genuinely do that and end the war of the Islamic clerics than criticism, exposure, protest against Islam would dwindle commensurate to the war a big part of Islam started and continues with Democratic Nations.
And yes, many democratic citizens are indeed afraid of mighty successful Islam, numbering a staggering 1,57 billion adherents. Many of whom are dedicated to it, in a way the vast majority of democratic citizens cannot imagine themselves being, to anything.
But, Hans Jansen, Dutch Islamologist, has said in the past, that the Islamic clerics and leaders, that they fear democracy, freedom and education for people, especially women! And it's influence detrimental to Islam. And they have the desire to discredit Democracy as much as they can. They view it as blockade, competitor to worldwide supremacy of Islam. And since America is both the biggest and strongest Democratic Nation, they vilify that country the most.
But for how long? Democracy, America, they do not aim for world-supremacy, they can fully accept full Islamic states, should those states accept full Democratic Nations. If only more & more Muslims could genuinely do that and end the war of the Islamic clerics than criticism, exposure, protest against Islam would dwindle commensurate to the war a big part of Islam started and continues with Democratic Nations.
written by Demsci , May 18, 2012
ABC, you reacted to fineliving56, who argued a few points and asked you a question, with:
"Unless you are 1proudkaffur4life then I'm not interested!"
That seems to me a weak response. Sure, you can genuinely be disinterested, but with that statement you should also admit then that she is more into this debate than you are, that you have not sufficient motivation or knowledge to contest her and so that you leave the field to her. You should compliment her that she at least does have the will to dedicate herself to this valuable debate. While you yourself, for your own reasons, respectfully withdraw. That would be legitimate and to be respected.
But now; your response is a disrespectful put-down of the other party, as if she not important. But this, as a replacement for either respectful withdrawal or a well-argumented effort to answer her arguments and questions, is really an admission of weakness and defeat.
And it is a cop-out, an excuse, that you only wanted to debate with this particular other poster, why would you want that? Bottom line; she wants to debate, you quit.
"Unless you are 1proudkaffur4life then I'm not interested!"
That seems to me a weak response. Sure, you can genuinely be disinterested, but with that statement you should also admit then that she is more into this debate than you are, that you have not sufficient motivation or knowledge to contest her and so that you leave the field to her. You should compliment her that she at least does have the will to dedicate herself to this valuable debate. While you yourself, for your own reasons, respectfully withdraw. That would be legitimate and to be respected.
But now; your response is a disrespectful put-down of the other party, as if she not important. But this, as a replacement for either respectful withdrawal or a well-argumented effort to answer her arguments and questions, is really an admission of weakness and defeat.
And it is a cop-out, an excuse, that you only wanted to debate with this particular other poster, why would you want that? Bottom line; she wants to debate, you quit.
written by Demsci , May 18, 2012
ABC, it has been said many times: You can only chastise those writers and individuals who actually incite violence against Muslims to have to be answerable for what other people do in violent acts influenced by these writers and individuals.
But not the writers and individuals who specifically state that they mean to operate only in non-violent ways, like Robert Spencer and the other Critical Islam Experts that you mentioned.
You and many others, including many ordinary western citizens, heavily object against perceived hateful comments, insults made by Criticals about Islam.
Which in turn is interpreted as insulting by Muslims, although often they themselves, and their parents, sisters, communities are respected, for 95 %. And only the long-dead prophet of Islam and Islamic Holy texts are severely discredited.
So it can be argued that the fault of the hurt feelings of Muslims lies with themselves because it is foolish to let their feelings BE hurt by this.
The ones that insult may cause Muslims to hurt their own feelings, but they never would want to hurt their bodies. And that is what some dumb people might want to do, and what the terrorist Breivik did do. But the violent persons are to blame, yes, but never the non-violent insulters of a dead person and an ideology and only a small portion of the Muslims because of their own violent deeds and violence-inciting words.
But not the writers and individuals who specifically state that they mean to operate only in non-violent ways, like Robert Spencer and the other Critical Islam Experts that you mentioned.
You and many others, including many ordinary western citizens, heavily object against perceived hateful comments, insults made by Criticals about Islam.
Which in turn is interpreted as insulting by Muslims, although often they themselves, and their parents, sisters, communities are respected, for 95 %. And only the long-dead prophet of Islam and Islamic Holy texts are severely discredited.
So it can be argued that the fault of the hurt feelings of Muslims lies with themselves because it is foolish to let their feelings BE hurt by this.
The ones that insult may cause Muslims to hurt their own feelings, but they never would want to hurt their bodies. And that is what some dumb people might want to do, and what the terrorist Breivik did do. But the violent persons are to blame, yes, but never the non-violent insulters of a dead person and an ideology and only a small portion of the Muslims because of their own violent deeds and violence-inciting words.
written by Yibel , May 19, 2012
Welcome to the debate. As you pointed out, Islam is certainly not about peace.
Islam only has the world concept of Dar al-Islam (House of Islam) where Islam is supreme and Shari'ah rules the land, and Dar al- Har (House of War) which is the part of the world where Islam is still in the process of taking over, and that includes India.
Your statement "Concept of multiple gods and goddesses is honestly beyond "One God One Book" followers to comprehend." is extremely broad and all encompassing, and based on your personal experience with a very few people.Actually, the idea of multiple gods and goddesses is not at all hard to comprehend. Just because some people don't agree with the concept doesn't mean they don't understand it. Too entirely different things.
Also, Islam is based on more than one book. There is the Qur'an, the aHadith (sayings of Muhammad, their prophet), and the life (sunnah) of Muhammad. Also the fatawah (rulings) of the various schools of Islam. Islam also has more than one god - some attest to 99, while others say only 69, and some have recorded over 300 - and a goddess named Al-Quddus, the fertility goddess of the Canaanites known to the Egyptians as Qudshu. Ar-Rahman and Ar-Raheem (Thunder Gods) are named the most often (over 300 times) while Marduk, the high god of Mesopotamia is called by several of his 50 names, such as Lord of the Dawn, Lord of the Throne, Lord of the East and the West, Al-Nur The Light, Lord of the Star Sirius, etc. Al-Malik, the god of fire, (fire that issues forth from the mouth of marduk) has a sura named after him (Sovereignty) as does Ar-Rahman, and Marduk has several including Al-Nur and Al-Buruj (The Constellations), Daybreak (Al-Falaq) and The Star (Al-Najm).
Muhammad created a Unity (Oneness) of the gods of the various tribes of Arabia and brought them together under one war banner with the idea of global conquest and getting rich from plundering, raping, pillaging and murdering. Unfortunately for India, Mohammed, the role model for all Muslims, said 'I have been made victorious through terror'
Islam only has the world concept of Dar al-Islam (House of Islam) where Islam is supreme and Shari'ah rules the land, and Dar al- Har (House of War) which is the part of the world where Islam is still in the process of taking over, and that includes India.
Your statement "Concept of multiple gods and goddesses is honestly beyond "One God One Book" followers to comprehend." is extremely broad and all encompassing, and based on your personal experience with a very few people.Actually, the idea of multiple gods and goddesses is not at all hard to comprehend. Just because some people don't agree with the concept doesn't mean they don't understand it. Too entirely different things.
Also, Islam is based on more than one book. There is the Qur'an, the aHadith (sayings of Muhammad, their prophet), and the life (sunnah) of Muhammad. Also the fatawah (rulings) of the various schools of Islam. Islam also has more than one god - some attest to 99, while others say only 69, and some have recorded over 300 - and a goddess named Al-Quddus, the fertility goddess of the Canaanites known to the Egyptians as Qudshu. Ar-Rahman and Ar-Raheem (Thunder Gods) are named the most often (over 300 times) while Marduk, the high god of Mesopotamia is called by several of his 50 names, such as Lord of the Dawn, Lord of the Throne, Lord of the East and the West, Al-Nur The Light, Lord of the Star Sirius, etc. Al-Malik, the god of fire, (fire that issues forth from the mouth of marduk) has a sura named after him (Sovereignty) as does Ar-Rahman, and Marduk has several including Al-Nur and Al-Buruj (The Constellations), Daybreak (Al-Falaq) and The Star (Al-Najm).
Muhammad created a Unity (Oneness) of the gods of the various tribes of Arabia and brought them together under one war banner with the idea of global conquest and getting rich from plundering, raping, pillaging and murdering. Unfortunately for India, Mohammed, the role model for all Muslims, said 'I have been made victorious through terror'
written by abc , May 19, 2012
"ABC, please differentiate between people inciting real violence and people who insult dead persons and ideologies, which Muslims than let hurt their feelings"
You really do believe the stuff you write.
Maybe an Esops fable may get the point to you!
"THE TRUMPETER TAKEN PRISONER.
A Trumpeter, being taken prisoner in battle, begged hard for quarter, declaring his innocence, and protesting that he neither had killed nor could kill any man, bearing no arms but his trumpet, which he was obliged to sound at the word of command.
For that reason, replied his enemies, we are determined not to spare you; for though you yourself never fight, yet with that wicked instrument of yours, you blow up animosity among other people, and so become the cause of much bloodshed"
You really do believe the stuff you write.
Maybe an Esops fable may get the point to you!
"THE TRUMPETER TAKEN PRISONER.
A Trumpeter, being taken prisoner in battle, begged hard for quarter, declaring his innocence, and protesting that he neither had killed nor could kill any man, bearing no arms but his trumpet, which he was obliged to sound at the word of command.
For that reason, replied his enemies, we are determined not to spare you; for though you yourself never fight, yet with that wicked instrument of yours, you blow up animosity among other people, and so become the cause of much bloodshed"
written by abc , May 19, 2012
The fomenter of mischief is at least as culpable as he who puts it in execution. A man may be guilty of murder who never has handled a sword or pulled a trigger or lifted up his arm with any mischievous weapon. There is a little incendiary called the tongue, which is more venomous than a poisoned arrow, and more killing than a two-edged sword.
It's pathetic but typical, I feel, that the likes of Robert Spencer and Fjordman are denying their connection to Anders Behring Breivik. Of course they are responsible for Breivik's terrorism, just as communist intellectuals are responsible for Islamic terrorism. Someone skipped Aesop.
It's pathetic but typical, I feel, that the likes of Robert Spencer and Fjordman are denying their connection to Anders Behring Breivik. Of course they are responsible for Breivik's terrorism, just as communist intellectuals are responsible for Islamic terrorism. Someone skipped Aesop.
written by Truth Speaker , May 19, 2012
To save the Koranic Verses,Muslims argue that all of them are said for self-defense!What ridiculous-self-defense is the natural phenomenon of human being and of the animals even!why it needed to be said thousand times?And for Muhammad's act-they argue that it was he who was attacked.If u fight back then u must be a political person,not a spiritual one who can change people's mind by his words or can contribute his life for others lives and then next his massages-what actually served for the mankind?The present and the history is saying that,the Islamic States are proving that-no advancement but just centuries old-restrictions and non-secular fundamentalism mixed with some sort of terrorism.
written by finelivng56 , May 19, 2012
So … Everyone in the world is to blame but the sadistic words of Quran.
ABC …
You say …. words have as much power as real weapons for destruction ???
I believe you and I agree a 100 %
Look …. what is the WORDS OF YOUR QURAN HAVE DOING IN THE WORLDS
Now!!! you realize this well known fact ?? …
But … You have to know that there is a diffrence between our words and the words of Quran and Muhammad …..
Our wordssave the Muslims from themselves using words by exposing the meaning of the words of Quran to the clueless Muslims
but …
The Quran words, on the other hand, nothing but orders to kill, torture and blunder … with few nice words here and there designed to fool and distract.
I know You can not deny all what Quran says … for fear of looking a liar … so you ignore my posts …
BTW … weather you are interested or not in answering my posts does not make a difference weather I address you or not … this an open forum and I am allowed to address anyone …
when you post here you run a risk of counter posting … I know it is hard on you and I could sense your frustration defending Islam …
You are unable and you will never be able to defend the sick things in your Quran and hadeeth and Siirt Al Muhammad … at least not with me and someone like me … an Arab ex Muslimah who could run around you in knowledge of Islam in every way.
Islam is on it's way out of the door … ma'a alsalama
ABC …
You say …. words have as much power as real weapons for destruction ???
I believe you and I agree a 100 %
Look …. what is the WORDS OF YOUR QURAN HAVE DOING IN THE WORLDS
Now!!! you realize this well known fact ?? …
But … You have to know that there is a diffrence between our words and the words of Quran and Muhammad …..
Our wordssave the Muslims from themselves using words by exposing the meaning of the words of Quran to the clueless Muslims
but …
The Quran words, on the other hand, nothing but orders to kill, torture and blunder … with few nice words here and there designed to fool and distract.
I know You can not deny all what Quran says … for fear of looking a liar … so you ignore my posts …
BTW … weather you are interested or not in answering my posts does not make a difference weather I address you or not … this an open forum and I am allowed to address anyone …
when you post here you run a risk of counter posting … I know it is hard on you and I could sense your frustration defending Islam …
You are unable and you will never be able to defend the sick things in your Quran and hadeeth and Siirt Al Muhammad … at least not with me and someone like me … an Arab ex Muslimah who could run around you in knowledge of Islam in every way.
Islam is on it's way out of the door … ma'a alsalama
written by pipo , May 19, 2012
@abc
On a summer evening in 2003 I was cycling home from my work and while I passed a mosque (well, it was a former sports venue converted into a mosque), two adolescent boys who were hanging out of the window right above the entrance and shouted at a handful of people on the street "wait and see, we will shoot you all to pieces". It was a completly bewildering and surreal moment, nobody reacted, people just went their way.
On a summer evening in 2003 I was cycling home from my work and while I passed a mosque (well, it was a former sports venue converted into a mosque), two adolescent boys who were hanging out of the window right above the entrance and shouted at a handful of people on the street "wait and see, we will shoot you all to pieces". It was a completly bewildering and surreal moment, nobody reacted, people just went their way.
written by Abc , May 19, 2012
@pipo
Communist intellectuals was a deliberate dig! That's what the next part of demsci argument was likely to be. Anybody who has a good word to say is either an extreme lefty or a communist!
I would have gone into the mosque and demanded an explanation!!!
@fineliving
it will be a cold day in hell when I agree with your opinions on Islam.
It is pointless engaging in slanging matches.
I would rather howl at the moon!
Communist intellectuals was a deliberate dig! That's what the next part of demsci argument was likely to be. Anybody who has a good word to say is either an extreme lefty or a communist!
I would have gone into the mosque and demanded an explanation!!!
@fineliving
it will be a cold day in hell when I agree with your opinions on Islam.
It is pointless engaging in slanging matches.
I would rather howl at the moon!
written by Abc , May 19, 2012
As far as Islam on its way out.
In America it's the fastest growing religion along with mormonism.
I suspect it's on the way in!!!!
In America it's the fastest growing religion along with mormonism.
I suspect it's on the way in!!!!
written by VRM , May 19, 2012
But sheikh Yusuf estes says , it is not Islam but atheism which is fastest growing!!!!!
And 3/4 converts to Islam desert it within 4 yrs of conversion.
And most of the rest in following yrs!!!
And 6 million leaving Islam in Africa only according to an Islamic cleric.
And Malaysian and Indonesian authorities are extremely worried about exodus of Muslims from Islam. Aren't they?
Old , tired unfounded false claims.
Ch,ch,ch,.......
ale le lele.
Bichara bachha.
LOL.
And 3/4 converts to Islam desert it within 4 yrs of conversion.
And most of the rest in following yrs!!!
And 6 million leaving Islam in Africa only according to an Islamic cleric.
And Malaysian and Indonesian authorities are extremely worried about exodus of Muslims from Islam. Aren't they?
Old , tired unfounded false claims.
Ch,ch,ch,.......
ale le lele.
Bichara bachha.
LOL.
written by 1proudkaffur4life , May 19, 2012
Well dude I have never made the claim to be a EX-Muslim, and the other thing is I see here from you, you complain about "all Muslims being painted" with the same brush, yet you do not mind to accuse all critics of having either a similar mindset as AB or even support him. That AB had a lot of others who help him to form his thought-system besides the few Islam-critics you constantly cite show me you are not really honest, after all it has been all over the Internet, that he had a lot of influence. But my personal aim is not to discuss people like AB, but the foolishness found in the religion if Islam, because after all there are more people in Islam who could turn out to be like the "Toulose-Killer" than people like AB. Got that point?
You allow your "peaceful" religion to be hijacked by extremists, and what do you do to stop it? Or will you fight in allahs cause by all means, therefore even aiding the extremists, because you share the same goal, but go about it with different means, until the world bows down to a MAD concept of a deity, invented by a mentally sick a very SICK person?
Again I'm not saying that all Muslims could be terrorists BUT those who WANT to ACT in a SIMMILAR manner, can find all the justification in the korran, all they need to do is take the verses at the literal meaning. These "real devout Muslims" do not need to make some mental gymnastics to "explain" that "killing the enemy" does not mean what it says!
written by 1proudkaffur4life , May 19, 2012
(sorry wanted to post in one piece but it was too long)
And now to you in order for me to really "hate" you as a person I must first KNOW you. Since I did not have a personal encounter with you in which I learned to hate you, please discard the "poor me Muslim victim all hate me" mindset.
But I reject your "religion" just as forcefully and strongly as I can, because there is NOTHING good in it. To this day you have not made your stance clear that you reject f.e. the enforcement of Shariah Law, like the Salafists want to enforce. How do you counter the aim to establish a world-wide caliphate? When the judgment day can only come after all the world has bowed to Islams stoned-gawd?
You defended the killing of "prisoners of a siege" when MuahamMAD killed up to 900 men and boys, whom he had first besieged for over 20 days. You know this isakin to a Neo-Nazi defending the needs to kill Jewish people because they "attempted" to stop Hitler from killing them! Hitler and MohamMAD indeed have a lot in common.
Like I have written I laugh at you for holding on to such a foolish religion as Islam, when you do not even want to answer the point, in allah's eternal true word, he declares that by him a day is 1.000 years long, in another instance he says it is 50.000. Either you found this contradiction not to be worthy of consideration, or in the end you do not mind being lied to by a desert-dweller of the 7. century, who simply invented the concept of allah.
That you fail to see this fact is very sad indeed, as you have not offered any proof for the existence of this "deity".
And simply claiming the koooraan says so is just NOT enough!
And now to you in order for me to really "hate" you as a person I must first KNOW you. Since I did not have a personal encounter with you in which I learned to hate you, please discard the "poor me Muslim victim all hate me" mindset.
But I reject your "religion" just as forcefully and strongly as I can, because there is NOTHING good in it. To this day you have not made your stance clear that you reject f.e. the enforcement of Shariah Law, like the Salafists want to enforce. How do you counter the aim to establish a world-wide caliphate? When the judgment day can only come after all the world has bowed to Islams stoned-gawd?
You defended the killing of "prisoners of a siege" when MuahamMAD killed up to 900 men and boys, whom he had first besieged for over 20 days. You know this isakin to a Neo-Nazi defending the needs to kill Jewish people because they "attempted" to stop Hitler from killing them! Hitler and MohamMAD indeed have a lot in common.
Like I have written I laugh at you for holding on to such a foolish religion as Islam, when you do not even want to answer the point, in allah's eternal true word, he declares that by him a day is 1.000 years long, in another instance he says it is 50.000. Either you found this contradiction not to be worthy of consideration, or in the end you do not mind being lied to by a desert-dweller of the 7. century, who simply invented the concept of allah.
That you fail to see this fact is very sad indeed, as you have not offered any proof for the existence of this "deity".
And simply claiming the koooraan says so is just NOT enough!
written by pipo , May 19, 2012
@abc
I bet the 'Breivik case' made more headlines and got more minutes in the news of western media in 2011 than all the acts of muslim terrorism combined ( an estimate of between 9000 and 10000 people were killed by muslim terrorist in 2011).
It wouldn't surprise me if even this year the 'Breivik case' will get more attention than all muslim terror combined in 2012.
In April 50 people were killed in a church in Nigeria during an Easter service. On CNN this outrageous crime was worth a text line, on my own national news channel it was dealt with in a bulletin of less than 30 seconds.
In the whole month of April 692 people have been killed and 1279 people have been critically injured because of muslim terrorism (source; religion of peace). And all the time it's the 'Breivik case' that is making headlines.
The MSM are turning reality into a caricature. And the Irony of it all is that it's partly because of this unfairness, that an instable lone wolf like Breivik gets pushed over the edge.
So abc, this is not a hate site but a site that is putting things right. A site that does justice to reality and a lot of untold crimes and stories of suffering, so that people can debate and not go berserk with frustration. It's sites like this that are taking the pressure of the kettle.
We are even having patience with someone like you, completely devoid of logic... I mean, how reasonable can one be...
I bet the 'Breivik case' made more headlines and got more minutes in the news of western media in 2011 than all the acts of muslim terrorism combined ( an estimate of between 9000 and 10000 people were killed by muslim terrorist in 2011).
It wouldn't surprise me if even this year the 'Breivik case' will get more attention than all muslim terror combined in 2012.
In April 50 people were killed in a church in Nigeria during an Easter service. On CNN this outrageous crime was worth a text line, on my own national news channel it was dealt with in a bulletin of less than 30 seconds.
In the whole month of April 692 people have been killed and 1279 people have been critically injured because of muslim terrorism (source; religion of peace). And all the time it's the 'Breivik case' that is making headlines.
The MSM are turning reality into a caricature. And the Irony of it all is that it's partly because of this unfairness, that an instable lone wolf like Breivik gets pushed over the edge.
So abc, this is not a hate site but a site that is putting things right. A site that does justice to reality and a lot of untold crimes and stories of suffering, so that people can debate and not go berserk with frustration. It's sites like this that are taking the pressure of the kettle.
We are even having patience with someone like you, completely devoid of logic... I mean, how reasonable can one be...
written by fineliving56 , May 19, 2012
Thank you for your post … it is encouraging
abc … can not defend islam effectually because there is NO effective way to do it, out there …all their arguments have been smashed to pieces … it is impossible …
I observed Muslims's way of dealing with us when actual debate with us just fail ..
first …. they use intimidation [Muslims are notorious at it ] … I do think Abc did it … proud Muslim, did that and got band for his troubles.
then, Muslim use personal insults …
Then, family insults …
Then, the old '' your religion is no better " …as if that makes Islam look better ??!
Then, when all that does not work
They ignore … and that is where ABC and Malam … now
Malam … got caught lying and adding words to Quran that is not there to beautify it … But I have to add to be fair … Malam tried his best not to offend … he just lie and disappear until people forget and then he comes back to do the lying all over again …
I actually feel sorry for them I know that ….because I was one of them ..
I do not think that I had one moment of fear free moment in my life as a Muslim … Fear and worries sits like a heavy rock in the heart and soul … and when Islam leaves it take them away with it …
now calmness replaces fear …
abc … can not defend islam effectually because there is NO effective way to do it, out there …all their arguments have been smashed to pieces … it is impossible …
I observed Muslims's way of dealing with us when actual debate with us just fail ..
first …. they use intimidation [Muslims are notorious at it ] … I do think Abc did it … proud Muslim, did that and got band for his troubles.
then, Muslim use personal insults …
Then, family insults …
Then, the old '' your religion is no better " …as if that makes Islam look better ??!
Then, when all that does not work
They ignore … and that is where ABC and Malam … now
Malam … got caught lying and adding words to Quran that is not there to beautify it … But I have to add to be fair … Malam tried his best not to offend … he just lie and disappear until people forget and then he comes back to do the lying all over again …
I actually feel sorry for them I know that ….because I was one of them ..
I do not think that I had one moment of fear free moment in my life as a Muslim … Fear and worries sits like a heavy rock in the heart and soul … and when Islam leaves it take them away with it …
now calmness replaces fear …
written by 1proudkaffur4life , May 19, 2012
Quote:
http://islam-watch.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1020&Itemid=58
1proudkaffur4life
written by abc , May 18, 2012
[.....]
Are you going to own up for fuelling these idiots???
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Hilarious you think these people who are able to THINK for themselves take any clues from me, who just happened to come onto the Anti-Islamic scene AFTER they were already well established! If one learned from one, then it might be that I learned more from Mr. Spencer, besides I do not even have a Website to publish my thoughts. But the honor is just too great, to think that Mr. Spencer would read this Web-Site and gets his clues from people like me who post here..
Compared to Mr. Spencer I'm just a "beginner"! Now lets get down to it. Post a link here to ANY statement I made here on this site (or any other) in which I called for the killing or hating of Muslims. Asking people to hate other people or REJECTING a FOOLISH religion like Islam are TWO different pairs of shoes altogether!
But again I see the smoke-screen you put up, instead of dealing the foolish things in your kooraaan you change the subject to something else.
20: 71 (Pharaoh) said: "Believe ye in Him before I give you permission? Surely this must be your leader, who has taught you magic! be sure I will cut off your hands and feet on opposite sides, and I will have you crucified on trunks of palm-trees: so shall ye know for certain, which of us can give the more severe and the more lasting punishment!"
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Here we find a Person who is NOT a MUSLIM prophet to know about a punishment which was invented hundreds of years after he died! If he even LIVED! "Crucifixion" as was known at the time of MoHAMMEL was "invented" about 6 to 500 years before Christ. So your profeet MuahamMAD put some (maybe fictitious ) person words into his mouth he could have never uttered even if he was real. And then YOU wonder why people like myself do not bow lowly to such a FOOLISH religion, some of your brothers of faith are willing to DIE and KILL for?
http://islam-watch.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1020&Itemid=58
1proudkaffur4life
written by abc , May 18, 2012
[.....]
Are you going to own up for fuelling these idiots???
Quote End]
Hilarious you think these people who are able to THINK for themselves take any clues from me, who just happened to come onto the Anti-Islamic scene AFTER they were already well established! If one learned from one, then it might be that I learned more from Mr. Spencer, besides I do not even have a Website to publish my thoughts. But the honor is just too great, to think that Mr. Spencer would read this Web-Site and gets his clues from people like me who post here..
Compared to Mr. Spencer I'm just a "beginner"! Now lets get down to it. Post a link here to ANY statement I made here on this site (or any other) in which I called for the killing or hating of Muslims. Asking people to hate other people or REJECTING a FOOLISH religion like Islam are TWO different pairs of shoes altogether!
But again I see the smoke-screen you put up, instead of dealing the foolish things in your kooraaan you change the subject to something else.
20: 71 (Pharaoh) said: "Believe ye in Him before I give you permission? Surely this must be your leader, who has taught you magic! be sure I will cut off your hands and feet on opposite sides, and I will have you crucified on trunks of palm-trees: so shall ye know for certain, which of us can give the more severe and the more lasting punishment!"
quote end]
Here we find a Person who is NOT a MUSLIM prophet to know about a punishment which was invented hundreds of years after he died! If he even LIVED! "Crucifixion" as was known at the time of MoHAMMEL was "invented" about 6 to 500 years before Christ. So your profeet MuahamMAD put some (maybe fictitious ) person words into his mouth he could have never uttered even if he was real. And then YOU wonder why people like myself do not bow lowly to such a FOOLISH religion, some of your brothers of faith are willing to DIE and KILL for?
written by Abc , May 19, 2012
Just got back from the masjid!
Don't make me laugh! Your posts are a source of comedy!
Deluded old Arab woman!
Don't make me laugh! Your posts are a source of comedy!
Deluded old Arab woman!
written by 1proudkaffur4life , May 19, 2012
if she still were a Muslim?
Ah I forgot something like the "golden Rule" does not work with Muslims, as they honor as humans only these who follow their backward religion. Even if her spellings may sometimes be wrong, I have NOT seen you lately REFUTE ONE of her points. Like I wrote, name-calling and putting people down, will not make your religion look better.
Ah I forgot something like the "golden Rule" does not work with Muslims, as they honor as humans only these who follow their backward religion. Even if her spellings may sometimes be wrong, I have NOT seen you lately REFUTE ONE of her points. Like I wrote, name-calling and putting people down, will not make your religion look better.
written by abc , May 19, 2012
I say it like I see it! Muslims or otherwise!
The woman is like a broken record! Refute her, no probs but tomorrow she will make the same point. Surely even you must have noticed the repetitive posts!
The woman is like a broken record! Refute her, no probs but tomorrow she will make the same point. Surely even you must have noticed the repetitive posts!
written by abc , May 19, 2012
"FASTEST GROWING RELIGION???
written by VRM , May 19, 2012 "
You not to good with reading are you?
In america my post said. Copy and paste merchant!
Maybe a non Muslim site can educate your ignorant!
http://m.christianpost.com/news/religion-census-increase-in-evangelicals-mormons-muslims-decrease-in-catholics-mainline-protestants--74207/
written by VRM , May 19, 2012 "
You not to good with reading are you?
In america my post said. Copy and paste merchant!
Maybe a non Muslim site can educate your ignorant!
http://m.christianpost.com/news/religion-census-increase-in-evangelicals-mormons-muslims-decrease-in-catholics-mainline-protestants--74207/
written by fineliving56 , May 19, 2012
You said about me '' deluded old Arab women "
Can you tell me Abc … where did learn to be predigest against ….the old ...Arabs …. and women … is it from your Quran or you learn it family and friends ..
You find it insulting to be, an Arab old women ???!!!
Remember … your fake prophet was an Arab from Mecca of old places … Arabic language should be a think you cherish… being a Muslim and all …
Yet you find, being an Arab is insulting ??!! … strange!!
ABC … The conflict in your brain must hurt you a lot !!
Can you tell me Abc … where did learn to be predigest against ….the old ...Arabs …. and women … is it from your Quran or you learn it family and friends ..
You find it insulting to be, an Arab old women ???!!!
Remember … your fake prophet was an Arab from Mecca of old places … Arabic language should be a think you cherish… being a Muslim and all …
Yet you find, being an Arab is insulting ??!! … strange!!
ABC … The conflict in your brain must hurt you a lot !!
written by pipo , May 20, 2012
Since when is, something being repetitive, a turnoff for muslims???
written by abc , May 20, 2012
What are you talking about now.
Why am I prejudiced to old Arab women?
I'm not!
Do I use it as an insult? No I don't!
From the posts it's clear you are:
1. A woman
2. Arab
3. A grandmother. No such thing as a young gran!!
4. Delusional- just read your own posts back to yourself and see.
So really it's a statement of fact.
Nope family and friends didn't teach me what ever it is you think they taught me.
I didn't mention the language or the prophet. You logic leap has lost me again?
Yes my brain hurts reading the brain dead posts from islamwatchers!
Why am I prejudiced to old Arab women?
I'm not!
Do I use it as an insult? No I don't!
From the posts it's clear you are:
1. A woman
2. Arab
3. A grandmother. No such thing as a young gran!!
4. Delusional- just read your own posts back to yourself and see.
So really it's a statement of fact.
Nope family and friends didn't teach me what ever it is you think they taught me.
I didn't mention the language or the prophet. You logic leap has lost me again?
Yes my brain hurts reading the brain dead posts from islamwatchers!
written by bundypig , May 20, 2012
really that stupid or just playing around queenie?
If ,as is common within the muz ideology, to marry a child of 9, then if she has menses in say the next 2 years, then she is 11, has baby at twelve, the process repeats, the gran, as you put it is around 24. So you think 24 is old? Lamebrain, 24 isn't old.
If ,as is common within the muz ideology, to marry a child of 9, then if she has menses in say the next 2 years, then she is 11, has baby at twelve, the process repeats, the gran, as you put it is around 24. So you think 24 is old? Lamebrain, 24 isn't old.
written by Abc , May 20, 2012
Might have have happened that way with your mam but that your problem.
written by fineliving56 , May 20, 2012
If you did not intended it as insult then, who do you think you are telling to ,that I am an old Arab women !!??
To me … don't you think I know ?
To everyone else here … most regular readers know I am … an old Arab EX MUSLIM women.
So … who do you think you are fooling ? … no one …
Why don't you try not to get personal and debate only on Islam like this site intented ….so you could stay long enough to get to some kind of conclusion .
ABC …. You mentioned, in one of your posts, that you just came from a Mosque praying …
tell me something ?
Why do you think one Muslim sect, ambush anther Muslim sects inside their Mosque while they are prostrating on the rugs praying … killing them with explosives …one of these killings was in Pakistan I believe ….killing 80 Muslims ???
And … Why we do not hear about a Christian Catholic church ambush another Christian church like the Protestant … at least in our life time … ???
To me … don't you think I know ?
To everyone else here … most regular readers know I am … an old Arab EX MUSLIM women.
So … who do you think you are fooling ? … no one …
Why don't you try not to get personal and debate only on Islam like this site intented ….so you could stay long enough to get to some kind of conclusion .
ABC …. You mentioned, in one of your posts, that you just came from a Mosque praying …
tell me something ?
Why do you think one Muslim sect, ambush anther Muslim sects inside their Mosque while they are prostrating on the rugs praying … killing them with explosives …one of these killings was in Pakistan I believe ….killing 80 Muslims ???
And … Why we do not hear about a Christian Catholic church ambush another Christian church like the Protestant … at least in our life time … ???
written by Abc , May 20, 2012
"Why do you think one Muslim sect, ambush anther Muslim sects inside their Mosque while they are prostrating on the rugs praying … killing them with explosives …one of these killings was in Pakistan I believe ….killing 80 Muslims ???"
I don't know but do tell!!
"And … Why we do not hear about a Christian Catholic church ambush another Christian church like the Protestant … at least in our life time … ???"
Don't worry about secterianism, it's alive and well.
You should go to Glasgow and watch Celtic take on rangers at ibrox!
What do you think the troubles in northern Ireland are all about????
They are in your lifetime. Not my fault you remain ignorant about them.
I don't know but do tell!!
"And … Why we do not hear about a Christian Catholic church ambush another Christian church like the Protestant … at least in our life time … ???"
Don't worry about secterianism, it's alive and well.
You should go to Glasgow and watch Celtic take on rangers at ibrox!
What do you think the troubles in northern Ireland are all about????
They are in your lifetime. Not my fault you remain ignorant about them.
written by bundypig , May 20, 2012
queenie and his bride about to embark on their trip to invade England...
written by VRM , May 20, 2012
Copy paste, really????
I don't think so.
Even in America , it is atheism not Islam, which is fastest growing.
Even in safe heavens of Islam it is atheism, none other.
Ignorant???
A desperate follower of a pedophile warlord is saying this
That is amazing.
LOL.
You know what ABC, you can fool the westerners but not us Indians. we know you grave worshipers inside out.
After all we kuffar have been your slaves for so many centuries.And we have learned how to keep the pedophile worshipers in place , the hard way.
LOL.
Islam is fast diminishing, through out the world.
False claims can't make a lie a truth.
Americans will soon realize the truth and will kick fat buts of pedophile worshipers.
Be assured.
I don't think so.
Even in America , it is atheism not Islam, which is fastest growing.
Even in safe heavens of Islam it is atheism, none other.
Ignorant???
A desperate follower of a pedophile warlord is saying this
That is amazing.
LOL.
You know what ABC, you can fool the westerners but not us Indians. we know you grave worshipers inside out.
After all we kuffar have been your slaves for so many centuries.And we have learned how to keep the pedophile worshipers in place , the hard way.
LOL.
Islam is fast diminishing, through out the world.
False claims can't make a lie a truth.
Americans will soon realize the truth and will kick fat buts of pedophile worshipers.
Be assured.
written by VRM , May 20, 2012
@ABC, Stop your false claims pedophile worshiper and accept the truth-
Atheism is the fastest growing religious identity in America ...The San Antonio Express-News reports the following: A study done by the Graduate Center of the City University of New York found that the percentage of the population ...www.intheagora.com/archives/2006/03/
atheism_is_the... - CachedAtheism the the fastest growing 'religion' in America. - Page 3Discussion about Atheism the the fastest growing 'religion' in America. [Page 3] at the GodlikeProductions Conspiracy Forum. Our topics include Conspiracy Theory ...www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message884119/pg3
Atheism the the fastest growing 'religion' in America.Between 1991 and 2001, the non-religious segment of the United States grew from 14,300,000 to 29,400,000. In terms of absolute growth, that is the fastest in the ...www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message884119/pg1
Atheism is the fastest growing religious identity in America ...The San Antonio Express-News reports the following: A study done by the Graduate Center of the City University of New York found that the percentage of the population ...www.intheagora.com/archives/2006/03/
atheism_is_the... - CachedAtheism the the fastest growing 'religion' in America. - Page 3Discussion about Atheism the the fastest growing 'religion' in America. [Page 3] at the GodlikeProductions Conspiracy Forum. Our topics include Conspiracy Theory ...www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message884119/pg3
Atheism the the fastest growing 'religion' in America.Between 1991 and 2001, the non-religious segment of the United States grew from 14,300,000 to 29,400,000. In terms of absolute growth, that is the fastest in the ...www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message884119/pg1
written by abc , May 20, 2012
when are your studies going to move to 2012?
Maybe you should stop living in the past.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/02/mormonism-fastest-growing-religion_n_1469566.html?ref=christianity
Maybe you should stop living in the past.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/02/mormonism-fastest-growing-religion_n_1469566.html?ref=christianity
written by fineliving56 , May 20, 2012
The 80 minority Muslims Ahmadi were murdered with bombs by the peaceful Muslims the Sunnis May/28/10… and that happened strictly because there perceived them as not true Muslims … it is all about the religion Islam … the bombing did not happen for any other reason … like gang or political … etc …
Muslim on Muslim killings …
Why is it happening ? … What is wrong with the mind of the Muslim to think it is OK to kill another Muslim because he does not fallow the same sect?
While you are at it … why there is thousands of terrorist attack by the Muslims in the last 10 years ?
Muslim on Muslim killings …
Why is it happening ? … What is wrong with the mind of the Muslim to think it is OK to kill another Muslim because he does not fallow the same sect?
While you are at it … why there is thousands of terrorist attack by the Muslims in the last 10 years ?
written by 1proudkaffur4life , May 20, 2012
North-Ireland Well, on 9/11 alone MORE people have been killed by Muslims as in all the over 36 years of strife there. Will you say the amount of victims a conflict produces does not count? Will you say that this conflict is in any way comparable to the conflict as it happen in the Islamic world, which has been fighting each other as soon as MuahamMAD croaked and has caused a much greater death toll!
Yes the conflict is wrong and it is unfortunate that humans have only learned belated that solving these issues with violence is wrong, but so is Muslim terror, which you have not condemned here! And it looks to me Muslims are still far away from this realization.
The conflict there was not entirely along "religious" lines, but much more complex.
Back to Islam,
What the whole world right after 9/11 should have done is, take a real HARD LOOK at ISLAM, its teachings see the VIOLENCE in it, and expose this at every opportunity, in schools in TV Radio Talk-Shows spend the money on EDUCATION! Only a small number of people really became Nazis after WWII ended, because the crap was exposed, the same should have done with Islam. First the money could have been better spend, and no people, Muslims as well as NON-Muslims would not have died. But of course to some Muslims the life of the Unbeliever and his property is not protected and can be taken whenever Muslims want to.
Yes the conflict is wrong and it is unfortunate that humans have only learned belated that solving these issues with violence is wrong, but so is Muslim terror, which you have not condemned here! And it looks to me Muslims are still far away from this realization.
The conflict there was not entirely along "religious" lines, but much more complex.
Back to Islam,
What the whole world right after 9/11 should have done is, take a real HARD LOOK at ISLAM, its teachings see the VIOLENCE in it, and expose this at every opportunity, in schools in TV Radio Talk-Shows spend the money on EDUCATION! Only a small number of people really became Nazis after WWII ended, because the crap was exposed, the same should have done with Islam. First the money could have been better spend, and no people, Muslims as well as NON-Muslims would not have died. But of course to some Muslims the life of the Unbeliever and his property is not protected and can be taken whenever Muslims want to.
written by fineliving56 , May 20, 2012
Eighteen thousand nine hundred and fifteen
I know all reader might know this … but it looks like the Muslims here ignore and do not acknowledge this devastate fact of about Muslims …
Any other religion does not come close to this kind need for distructin to everything and anything.
written by Abc , May 22, 2012
Where did this fine but of information eminate from?
Government statistics no doubt? Maybe the UN is monitoring things?
"Eighteen thousand nine hundred and fifteen"
Come tell us the source of your information so we can see and verify it!!!!
Government statistics no doubt? Maybe the UN is monitoring things?
"Eighteen thousand nine hundred and fifteen"
Come tell us the source of your information so we can see and verify it!!!!
written by fineliving56 , May 23, 2012
This is the second post in a row that disappeared to be checked
I hope it comes back …
My post was for Infidel and proud
I hope it comes back …
My post was for Infidel and proud
written by 1proudkaffur4life , May 23, 2012
To keep up the wrong notion that Islam is a religion of peace. Sunnis are killing Shiites and others the killer deems Non-Muslims. And I don't give a figs leaf what the UN releases in regards to Islam/Muslims since the largest voting bloc ARE the Islamic countries. With Islam there can NEVER be a peaceful world, 1400 year history is witness to that.
It is soo funny seeing Muslims call Non-Muslims "deluded" fools, if they themselves let a desert-dweller lie to them.
It is soo funny seeing Muslims call Non-Muslims "deluded" fools, if they themselves let a desert-dweller lie to them.
written by fineliving56 , May 23, 2012
I really want to know the truth about these so called hate websits that says Islam is bad ...
I am welling to listen and declare '' thereligionofpeace.com is hateful and lying...if you, kindly, point out to me the wrong and fabricated news about Muslim from that website and tell us about them ... so we finely realize the real news of Islamic kind ... not what they are pushing .
BTW ... The UN is useless and never helped to change anything for as long as I remember .. why would they start now and report what really happening in the world ...
read what they got and expose there lies if you find them
I am welling to listen and declare '' thereligionofpeace.com is hateful and lying...if you, kindly, point out to me the wrong and fabricated news about Muslim from that website and tell us about them ... so we finely realize the real news of Islamic kind ... not what they are pushing .
BTW ... The UN is useless and never helped to change anything for as long as I remember .. why would they start now and report what really happening in the world ...
read what they got and expose there lies if you find them
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