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"Women against Islamisation" Campaign in Belgium

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A political party in Belgium has started a campaign, called "Women against Islamisation", with a logo in which a young woman appears in a burqa and a bikini.

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An-Sofie holding the logo on the right

The campaign was launched by the rightwing Vlaams Belang party. Featured in the campaign logo is An-Sofie Dewinter, the gorgeous teenage daughter of Philip Dewinter, leader the of Vlaams Belang party.

The burqa covers An-Sofie’s head and face while the rest of it falls behind her back. The bikini covers her breast and crotch. The burka and bikini logo is meant for the "Freedom or Islamisation" campaign.

Women are always the first victims of Islam, and according to Vlaams Belang, this campaign is meant for highlighting that message in order to convince women to take a stand against Islamization and dare to choose between Freedom or Islam.

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written by fineliving56 , February 11, 2012
That is NOT going to go, well, with Burqa lovers Muslims …

good!!
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written by Dwito , February 11, 2012
Well, who will take care to the engendered girls/women who would dare to challenge their home?
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written by duh_swami , February 11, 2012
They will riot in Pakistan over this...
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well
written by superphoenix , February 11, 2012
with this jealous belgian who killed millions of congolese for their own gain, its hardly surprising tht belgian women are getting f**ked by the muslim men and belgian men can't compete with us.
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@superphoenix
written by non believer , February 11, 2012
Like your Prophet your mind is perverted. you can't think about anything other than your dirty d**k. ISLAM is all about sword and the d**k. You can only kill and F**K . No brains, no analysis ,no introspection nothing. A tribe with no IQ continuing to be so after 1400 yrs. Grew only in quantity not quality. Theory of evolution says what is not used dropped of (like the tail from monkey to apes} and what is more used grows. How true. Muslims brains have been shrinking and their population growing.
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Superphoenix ……Nice Islamic talk, you put forward here
written by fineliving56 , February 11, 2012
So, in what way that Belgians cant compete with you, Muslim ? …

Enlighten us please ….
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Muslim men
written by dead or alive , February 11, 2012
Balls on the brain.
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@ dead or alive
written by Mozlem , February 11, 2012
I am surprised to know muslim men have brains ?
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@superphoenix
written by duh_swami , February 11, 2012
with this jealous belgian who killed millions of congolese

Which jealous belgian was that?...Give me his name and I will have him arrested...

This evil belgian you refer to must be really fast, if he can kill millions of congolese he must be moving at a least 100 miles per hour, if he can move that fast he may be hard to track down...but I will try...Post your real name and address so I can keep you updated...
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written by pipo , February 11, 2012
"the campaign was launched by the rightwing Vlaams Belang party"... "rightwing" is a bit an understatement here, they are pretty xenophobic.
It's a pity that campaigns like this are not launched by liberals, feminists, ex-muslim women or even better all those forces combined.
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Careful
written by tanstaafl jw , February 11, 2012
This is bound to cause earthquakes!
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Mozlem
written by dead or alive , February 11, 2012
You are right.They have brain size of birds.
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written by vbv , February 11, 2012
Good thing that the belgium women have realised the evil of islam and its misogynistic character. Women in islam are nothing but subhuman sex-slaves and their ony function is to satiate their men's lust and bear children ,prefferably male only. Islam is a sick dogma of a bunch of mentally retarded nuts with tendency to sleaze and crime.
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islam save our soul forever.open Holy Quran
written by then lie , February 12, 2012
Surah 112. Al-Ikhlas
1. Say: He is Allah, the One!
2. Allah, the eternally Besought of all!
3. He begetteth not nor was begotten.
4. And there is none comparable unto Him.
Adam(the first Prophet),Idris,Nuh,Hud,Sholeh,Ibrahim, Lut, Ismail, Ishak, Yacub, Yusuf etc.they worship Allah.They are Muslim.open Quran.learn islam.Looks and go to another islam Coutry likes, Brunaidarussalam, malaysia, Indonesia, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh.Islam The future relegion only have one god.whorship one god.islam is the straight path
there is no gods except Allah.
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to then lie, interesting name
written by Yibel , February 12, 2012
Surat 112 is an ode to An/Anu, the eternal god, the unbegotten one, the
original creator god of the Mesopotamians (Sumerians) of the city of Erech. His sign was the crescent moon and the horns of a bull and his consort was Ishtar whose sign was the planet Venus - The Star and the Crescent of Islam.
The name of this divinity is derived from the Sumerian “ana”, “heaven”, of
which he was the principal deity. An/Anu was the visible sky (containing the
moon, sun and stars), but was also the invisible heavens considered beyond the sky. The Throne of Marduk, the creator of humans, was above these heavens and this is where the Tablets of Destiny were kept - the original Qur'an.

While I don't know anything about who Hud, Ismail, Sholeh/Salih and Idris worshiped because they are either not in the Bible at all (Hud, Salih and Idris), or they rejected the God of the Bible. Ismail/Ishmail probably worshiped the Egyptian gods since his mother was an Egyptian and she married him to an Egyptian and his grandson was a Horite, a worshiper of Horus. However, Adam, Nuh/Noah, Ibrahim/Abraham, and Ishak/Isaac all worhiped YHVH, a TOTALLY different God from the 99 gods of the Qur'an.

I have read the Qur'an. It is a path straight to hell. Muhammad was listening to an evil djinn.
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Allah Create Jin and evil in Holy Quran.no once holy book say like Quran
written by then lie , February 12, 2012
Allah create jin and evil.Holy Quran 55, download Holy Quran translate by picktall.Allah has given The Holy Quran to Muhammad as His messenger.
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Karl
written by Martell , February 12, 2012
Mohammed married a nine year old girl! I call that paedophil. Therefore Muslims howl, screetch to a criminal. Criminal he remains despite being a prophet.
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Then lie
written by duh_swami , February 12, 2012
Allah create jin and evil

That was very thoughtful of him...I don't know how humanity could survive without a few jinn and lots of evil...Allah thinks of everything...next time you pray, thank him for me...I would thank him myself, but we are not on speaking terms...
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written by rzq , February 12, 2012
The guy poses with his half naked daughter!
If that's your brand of freedom then keep it!
What are the words glued to her boobs and crotch????
Not one mofo here has a problem with that?
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written by rzq , February 12, 2012
Just as i thought! Silence!
Looks like everbody here does like to parade their daughtes skin! Just like good freedom loving murtad daddies!
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rzq
written by duh_swami , February 12, 2012
What are the words glued to her boobs and crotch????

They mean Allahu Akbar...If Allahu Akbar created beautiful womens skin, why are you upset?...
If Allah wanted beautiful western woman covered up, they would be born wearing burka...
You poor boy, you have not witness the joy of the female body have you? I bet you envy other Muslims with multiple wives...Don't worry, when Allah wants you to have a woman, he will send you one...until then feel free to enjoy the boys...
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written by Martell , February 12, 2012
Why do muslime come into the western world? Why do they not stay where they are? They hate us and they come to us why? Can anybody explain me what a muslime thinks?
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written by rzq , February 12, 2012
Maybe brother cube can explain:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5GzQNYhPbQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Suckers!
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Duh
written by rzq , February 12, 2012
"They mean Allahu Akbar...If Allahu Akbar created beautiful womens skin, why are you upset?..."

Who is upset dickhead?
Couldn't care less If it was your mama!
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rzq
written by duh_swami , February 12, 2012
Who is upset dickhead?
Couldn't care less If it was your mama!

Well then, why did you comment on it at all? You must be a little upset...What grade are you in? Did your Imam teach you how to spell dickhead? Is it in the Quran?
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Duh
written by rzq , February 12, 2012
"Well then, why did you comment on it at all? You must be a upset?"

I comment where I like! What's upset got to do with it!
If you got FA to say then STFU!
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rzq
written by duh_swami , February 12, 2012
What's upset got to do with it!

I'm concerned about your mental health...You seem a little ragged around the edges...
Are you on medications? What does the school nurse say? Why do you hate your mother?
You can confide in me...I wont tell anyone...
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dear rzq
written by tanstaafl jw , February 12, 2012
perhaps you are too upset to continue posting? You seem to be out of control. Maybe Islam encourages this behavior............just a thought.
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written by Dwito , February 12, 2012
Maybe Islam encourages this behavior.

No no ! Islam never teaches such behavior. Islam encourages peace,tranquility, love, brotherhood, fraternity, rational freethinking, , cooperation, collective progress......................................... Only those dumb heads who hates the shining progress of Islamic nations says so out of sheer jealously.

RZQ, don't bother, do your job. blow high to Behest-ly brothel asap.
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written by rzq , February 13, 2012
Out of YOUR control, definately!
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Feminists against Slavery to non-existant Allah
written by Georgina , February 13, 2012
@ pipo:
It's a pity that campaigns like this are not launched by liberals, feminists, ex-muslim women or even better all those forces combined.

They are, frequently, and these are also reported as right-wing extremists. Believe me, anyone says anything against submitting to allah or men waving their revolting bums in the air in public (yuch), that person is labelled a Right-Wing-Extremist.
Even when that person has been a feminist since the 1950s.
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Free Will and Independence
written by Georgina , February 13, 2012
@rzq:
I think the biggest gulf between your mentality and ours is your utter inability to realise that this women in a bikini is nobody's property but her own.
She wears the bikini of her own free will, utterly unworried about the possibility of being raped, whipped or stoned.
She is proud of her body, as indeed she should be.
If I declared men's beards obscene tomorrow, and I and millions of others posted dozens of letters, and passed laws stating that men's beards are disgusting, revolting, obscene, should be banned etc. Would you give a damn? She is not half-naked, she is wearing the minimum allowed by law (hers not yours).

By the way, I should like to ban the muslim bum-waving rituals every Friday afternoon, now they are disgusting - and offensive.
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The liar
written by g-blade , February 13, 2012
Man are you on crack or somethig? Your book was compiled 200 years after mad mo died. That makes it roughly 700years after the bible. Have you ever compaired the two books? Are there no lights going on upstairs? Can you not see the difference?
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Georgina
written by rzq , February 13, 2012
The biggest difference between your mentality and our is that we have respect for ourselves and our elders. Nobody said she belongs to anyone. She is standing there like that infront of her DAD! There is some stuff dads shouldn't see, irrespective of how confident, or self righteous the daughter thinks she is!
I take it you would have no problem posing like that infront of your dad????
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rzq
written by duh_swami , February 13, 2012
There is some stuff dads shouldn't see, irrespective of how confident, or self righteous the daughter thinks she is!

Why is that? Is it that Muslims can't control the urge to molest if they see their own daughters flesh? The burka then saves them from overwhelming lust...If a girl in a swimsuit makes you think impure thoughts, then I encourage you to stay away from public beaches...especially those where women wear no swimsuits...I don't think your heart can take the strain...
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Women in Islam
written by Walter Sieruk , February 13, 2012
"The same culture that allows Muslim men many outlets for sex- even froced sex- tacitly permits honor killings of women and in some countries, death by stoning for women who have sex outside of marriage. Compare two cases : a man who forces sex on his maid and an unmarried women caught sleeping with her lover. In both cases, sex outside marriage has occurred, but one is not punhished under Islamic law and the other is severely punished...that brings the death penalty. Choice is solely a man's prerogative. a woman can be froced into a slave -master sexuaul relationship- that is not considered against the law. But should a woman exercise control over her body, should she choose to have sex, and even worse, choose her partner, she has commited a sin punishable by death. Islamic laws by design give women very little control over their bodies and their sexual and martial relationships, perpetuating the epidemic of humaniliation and the degradation of Muslim women."

[Taken from the book NOW THE CALL ME INFIDEL by Nonie Darwish pages 72,73.]
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Duh
written by rzq , February 13, 2012
Clearly you have no problem parading your daughter! There is a name for your kind!

The rest of your post is full of shit!
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Rzq - Respect
written by Muslim & Proud , February 13, 2012
I think you put Duh quite firmly in his place bro.........
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Old news
written by rzq , February 13, 2012
The full low down on this non story!

http://www.loonwatch.com/2012/02/daily-mail-trumps-up-non-existent-muslim-backlash-to-unprovocative-photo/
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Old News
written by Muslim and proud , February 13, 2012
Nice one Rzq - just checked the link.
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maybe some religions
written by dead or alive , February 13, 2012
do not like to see people smiling or happy or expressing an opinion.
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M and P
written by rzq , February 13, 2012
Keep the link to the website! It refutes alot if crap these suckers believe!
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written by duh_swami , February 14, 2012
I think you put Duh quite firmly in his place bro.........

Haha, one idiot confirming the idiocy of another idiot...

rzq, Clearly you have no problem parading your daughter!

If I want to parade my daughter around naked, why is that your business? Would you turn your eyes away hypocrite? You probably beat your children, or you would if you were old enough to have children...The reason Allah/Mahound told women to cover their chests is because it caused Muslim males to lust after them...Same reason for burka and veils...
How many times have you looked at that half naked kuffar woman and lusted in your mind rzq?...Tell the truth, don't lie...
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Always have your virus shields up at the loon...
written by duh_swami , February 14, 2012
Loonwatch is for Loons...There is only lop sided theology going on there...Danios won't debate Robert Spencer, and he never comes here to straighten anyone out...Danios and loonwatch only have propaganda value and nothing else...
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Duh
written by Muslim and proud , February 14, 2012
"If I want to parade my daughter around naked, why is that your business?"

And if Muslim man wants to walk around with his wife wearing a veil, why is that your business?
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why in a veil a problem
written by Confused , February 14, 2012
M & P

Wearing a veil in public is a problem cuz it is a case of hiding identity..why dont u understand??
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Hide Faces
written by Confused , February 14, 2012
I believe muslim women who hide their faces are "ugly" or "plain Faced"

BTW I want to know why muhammad didnt marry any other girl in the life of Khadija for " Islamic purpose"???
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Veil
written by Muslim & Proud , February 14, 2012
"Wearing a veil in public is a problem cuz it is a case of hiding identity..why dont u understand??"

And banning the veil is a violation of the muslims rights.....

Why don't you understand?
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Muslim men
written by ex muslim , February 14, 2012
What is the problem with this typical Muslim statement '' If a Muslim man wants to walk around with his wife wearing a veil, why is that your business"

Give up …MP

The word *MAN* ….

MP ….cant even entertain the idea that the VEIL has nothing to do with a stupid Muslim MAN … but in fact it has every thing to do with the WOMEN …hello ….the women …..IT IS HER BUSINESS … alone

In the Muslim world … it is all about the males … isn't … dream on dreamers
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Give up MP
written by Confused , February 14, 2012
M & P

you are not talking sence any more bro..means u have lost

Muslim Rights would be honoured and implemented in a Muslim country...In a non muslim country muslims must honour laws of the land!!!

Muslim mentality of imposing their rights on non muslims countries proves that Islam is Fascist
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M&PP
written by duh_swami , February 14, 2012
And if Muslim man wants to walk around with his wife wearing a veil, why is that your business?

It's not my business, your evilness, but it is oppression of women and worth commenting on as a part of Islams evil...It's interesting you said if a 'Muslim man want's', not what the Muslim woman wants......It's all about what Muslim men want isn't it Lucifer?
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Maybe that person behind the veil
written by dead or alive , February 14, 2012
could be a gay lover?Halloween is one day out of year.
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Allah(king of the Gods)
written by then lie , February 15, 2012
Surah 55. Ar-Rahman
1. The Beneficent
2. Hath made known the Qur’an.
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3. He hath created man.
4. He hath taught him utterance.
5. The sun and the moon are made punctual.
6. The stars and the trees adore.
7. And the sky He hath uplifted; and He hath set the measure,
8. That ye exceed not the measure,
9. But observe the measure strictly, nor fall short thereof.
10. And the earth hath He appointed for (His) creatures,
11. Wherein are fruit and sheathed palm trees
12. Husked grain and scented herb.
13. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny?
14. He created man of clay like the potter's,
15. And the Jinn did He create of smokeless fire.
16. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny?
17. Lord of the two Easts, and Lord of the two Wests!
18. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny?
19. He hath loosed the two seas. They meet.
20. There is a barrier between them. They encroach not (one upon the other).
21. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord: that ye deny?
22. There cometh forth from both of them the pearl and coral stone.
23. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny?
24. His are the ships displayed upon the sea, like banners.
25. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny?
26. Everyone that is thereon will pass away;
27. There remaineth but the countenance of thy Lord of Might and Glory.
28. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny?
29. All that are in the heavens and the earth entreat Him. Every day He exerciseth (universal) power.
30. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny?
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written by then lie , February 15, 2012
31. We shall dispose of you, O ye two dependents (man and jinn).
32. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny?
33. O company of jinn and men, if ye have power to penetrate (all) regions of the heavens and the earth; then penetrate
(them)! Ye will never penetrate them save with (Our) sanction.
34. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny?
35. There will be sent, against you both, heat of fire and flash of brass, and ye will not escape.
36. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny?
37. And when the heaven splitteth asunder and becometh rosy like red hide
38. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny?
39. On that day neither man nor jinn will be questioned of his sin.
40. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny?
41. The guilty will be known by their marks, and will he taken by the forelocks and the feet.
42. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny?
43. This is Hell which the guilty deny.
44. They go circling round between it and fierce, boiling water.
45. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny?
46. But for him who feareth the standing before his Lord there are two gardens.
47. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny?
48. Of spreading branches.
49. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny?
50. Wherein are two fountains flowing.
51. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny?
52. Wherein is every kind of fruit in pairs.
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53. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny?
54. Reclining upon couches lined with silk brocade, the fruit of both gardens near to hand.
55. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny?
56. Therein are those of modest gaze, whom neither man nor jinn will have touched before them,
57. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny?
58. (In beauty) like the jacinth and the coral stone.
59. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny?
60. Is the reward of goodness aught save goodness?
61. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny?
62. And beside them are two other gardens,
63. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny?
64. Dark green with foliage.
65. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny?
66. Wherein are two abundant springs.
67. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny?
68. Wherein is fruit, the date palm and pomegranate
69. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny?
70. Wherein (are found) the good and beautiful.
71. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny?
72. Fair ones, close guarded in pavilions
73. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny?
74. Whom neither man nor jinn will have touched before them
75. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny?
76. Reclining on green cushions and fair carpets.
77. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny?
78. Blessed be the of thy Lord, Mighty and Glorious!
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written by then lie , February 15, 2012
back to islam all teh people ow back to islam, more then 70,000 people back to islam
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written by then lie , February 15, 2012
in french
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Confused Rights
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
"Muslim Rights would be honoured and implemented in a Muslim country...In a non muslim country muslims must honour laws of the land!!!"

I work for a non-muslim organisation. They provide me with a prayer room and ablution facilities..........

Prayer facilities in hospitals

Airports

Service Stations

The list goes on

What planet are you on?

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written by duh_swami , February 15, 2012
.In a non muslim country muslims must honour laws of the land!!!"

Yes, that's true, but they will always push for sharia, and when they get numerous enough, they will institute it (and they can always practice sharia courts in private)...This has already happened in the UK and other European countries, and to a lesser extent the US, but the pushing for it continues...
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ITS NOT ISLAMIC PLANET
written by No More Confused , February 15, 2012
M & P

If they are giving you facilities it is their niceness and kindness to low lives like you...BUT YOU CANNOT CLAIM

OR IMPOSE IN CASE THEY DO NOT WANT TO GIVE YOU SUCH FACILITIES.

Its similar to if an Islamic Country doesnt want me to preach Judaism or women to walk in bikinis i must honour

such a rule.

Are you so dumb M & P

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written by duh_swami , February 15, 2012
I work for a non-muslim organisation. They provide me with a prayer room and ablution facilities...

So your kuffar employer is sharia compliant...Why is that, they just love Islam, or they don't want to get sued? If your employer suddenly decided no more sharia compliance and you lost that prayer and wash room, what would you do...sue? Riot? Beat someone up? Most likely you would sue...legal jihad...Kuffar must accommodate everything Islam, or get sued...I would never hire a Muslim for that very reason...an employer can avoid all these Islamic demands if they don't hire them in the first place...
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then lie
written by Machmoed , February 15, 2012
33. O company of jinn and men, if ye have power to penetrate (all) regions of the heavens and the earth; then penetrate
(them)! Ye will never penetrate them save with (Our) sanction.

What an revelation. Very outdated indeed. What kind of penetration Allah ...uhh i mean Mo means?

Maybe i'll ask an imam to enlighten me.
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M&P
written by dead or alive , February 15, 2012
I can`t kiss your bloody feet.
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rzq: She is standing there like that infront of her DAD!
written by Georgina , February 16, 2012
If her father is offended by the sight of a beautiful women exercising her privilege of wearing what she likes, while still covering those parts of the body still considered by the authorities to be unseemly (primary and secondary sex characteristics), then there is something he and you and every other male can do about it: Close his eyes or look away!

If I were to suggest blinkers for all males, or even blindfolds, or covering one eye, you would consider this a terrible thing.
If I stated that men in shorts and T-shirts was offensive to all their mothers - would you agree to wear a burka, in all weathers and heat?

Simple rule: If there is symmetry - then it is wrong.
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Georgina
written by duh_swami , February 16, 2012
Did Allah invented nudity just to give the burka manufacturing companies something to do?
Allah didn't realize (or maybe he did) that the mystery of what is under the burka is the real turn on...men without a mystery are impotent...This is why men can walk around a nudist beach among gorgeous nude females and not get exited, no mystery...So rather than limit illegal sexuality, the burka can actually create it...Allah thinks of everything...
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Surah 55 correction
written by Yibel , February 16, 2012
Surah 55, ayat 1 actually says: AR-RAHMAN, Most Gracious! NOT ALLAH!

Rahman is the Akkadian name of a Babylonian-Assyrian god of thunder and storms, meaning Thunderer. Ramman is also known by the name Adad, meaning thunder, in Syrian mythology. Rimmon/Raheem is the Aramaic byname of the storm and thunder god Hadad, also meaning thunderer. Rahman/Raheem is the god who held the reins of the great white horse Buraq (meaning Lightning) for the storm god Shamash, and later Marduk. Muhammad claimed to have riden this horse on his Night Journey.

The name of Ar-Rahman, but NOT Allah, appears in twelve Makkah Suras 47 times, and in the very early Madinah Suras 3 times. It also appears at the start of every Sura except one (Surah 9). Ar-Raheem occurs 114 times within the Qur'an text but is translated as either Allah or Lord of Mercy or The Merciful.

The verses 2-14 describe the creation tale of Marduk, the high god of Babylon, the god of 50 names including Lord of the Dawn and Lord of the two easts and the two wests. He is the Babylonian creator of mankind and the one who raised the back of the dragon Tiamat to create the heavens/skies (7. And the heavens/skies has He raised high).
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written by Fineliving56's son , February 18, 2012
Duh_swami wrote: "If I want to parade my daughter around naked, why is that your business?"

Muslim and Proud wrote: "And if Muslim man wants to walk around with his wife wearing a veil, why is that your business?"

Both of these statements are immoral. [I'm assuming the daughter is old enough to put on her own clothes.]

Each person should choose to do what they want.

That means that a women's father nor husband has the right to parade her naked nor veil her.

Its her choice to parade naked or wear a veil.

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Fineliving56's son
written by duh_swami , February 19, 2012
Both of these statements are immoral.

My supposed immorality was stated to point something out, not because I support immorality, what ever that is...In most cases 'immoral' is a value judgement...What is immoral to one man may be a value to another man...Religion is supposed to draw those lines, but not everyone is religious...Religions and the religiously minded have no business telling non believers what is moral and what is not...
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@duh_swami: Morality is subjective or objective?
written by Fineliving56's son , February 19, 2012
duh_swami wrote: "What is immoral to one man may be a value to another man..."

That statement suggests that morality is subjective. But morality is very much objective.

What is objective is things like *everyone should do what they want to do as long as they don't hurt anyone else*. This comes from classical liberalism.
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@duh_swami: Morality
written by Fineliving56's son , February 19, 2012
"My supposed immorality was stated to point something out, not because I support immorality, what ever that is...In most cases 'immoral' is a value judgement...What is immoral to one man may be a value to another man...Religion is supposed to draw those lines, but not everyone is religious...Religions and the religiously minded have no business telling non believers what is moral and what is not..."

I agree. No one should *tell* another person what is and isn't moral. That is bad, i.e. it is immoral. This is objectively immoral.

What is moral is that we should *persuade* each other in our effort to find the truth, even in the field of morality. And these truths that we are searching for are objective rather than subjective.
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written by TrueMuslim , February 20, 2012
You bad bad Belgium women. Don't you know that we Muslims are peaceful people? And if you disagree with us we will kill all of you. So you must stop being against Islam. We are peaceful. Stop denying this obvious truth or we will kill you.
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