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The Disgraceful and Distressing Things Ibn Hisham Omitted from Ibn Ishaq’s Biography of Muhammad

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Amongst them was his "permanent post-mortem erection"?


Muhammad ibn Abdullah, who died in 632 AD, was the founder of Islam. The most authoritative biography of Muhammad is titled "The Life of Muhammad (Sirat Rasul Allah)" originally written by Muhammad ibn Ishaq around 760 AD. No copy of that book remains, but around 800 AD, Ibn Hisham, a student of Ibn Ishaq reconstructed the biography from fragments and notes that he had collected.

In his own notes, Ibn Hisham made a rather troubling confession -- that he had omitted from the biography "things which it is disgraceful to discuss; matters which would distress certain people." (pg. 691) To calibrate just how disgraceful or distressing those things must have been, here is a sampling of the accounts that Ibn Hisham deemed worthy of including in the biography:

 

Child Rape: “He married Aisha in Mecca when she was a child of seven and lived with her in Medina when she was nine or ten.” (Muhammad was 52 at the time.) (pg. 792)

Mass Murder of 600-900 Jews: “Then the apostle went out to the market of Medina and dug trenches in it.  Then he sent for [the Banu Qurayza Jews] and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were bought out to him in batches. There were 600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900.  This went on until the apostle made an end of them.” (pg. 464)

 

Using Camels to Rip a Woman in Two: Muhammad sent Zayd b. Haritha to avenge the loss of some Muslims’ lives during a previous raid on Wadi’l-Qura.  After killing several villagers, they took Umm Qirfa, the wife of Malik, prisoner. They killed her “by putting a rope to her two legs and to two camels and driving them until they rent her in two.” (pg. 665)

 

Approval of intercession by gods other than Allah: Anxious to attract people to Islam, Muhammad was reciting a verse from Allah, “Have you thought of al-Lat and al-Uzza and Manat the third, the other (all gods of the Quayrish tribe in Mecca).” Then, Satan put on Muhammad’s tongue, “these are the exalted Gharaniq (high flying cranes) whose intercession is approved.” (pg. 166) This verse was later revised after complaints by Muslims that it implied polytheism, and it can be seen in its present form in Surah 53:20.

 

Muhammad’s unusual death and burial


Given the foregoing sampling of the things Ibn Hisham did include in the biography, the offensive accounts he deleted must have been truly disgusting. While we must look elsewhere for what Ibn Hisham found so disgraceful and troubling in the original biography of Muhammad, we can certainly find evidence even there that something was quite unusual about Muhammad’s death and burial. Sharia Law stipulates that when a Muslim dies, he should be undressed and washed by male relatives or his wives, wrapped in a shroud, and buried immediately after the funeral prayer. (Reliance of the Traveler, Section g.). However, none of this happened in the case of Muhammad.

 

According to Ibn Hisham’s account, Muhammad died at noon on a Monday. Since he had not named a successor, rather than tend to Muhammad’s burial, his followers locked the door of the house and had a meeting nearby to decide who would be the next caliph. Once Abu Bakr was named the caliph, they returned to their deceased Prophet on Tuesday. Ali ibn Abi Talib (Muhammad’s son-in-law and a future caliph) and some others took charge of washing him. Ibn Hisham observed, “The apostle’s body did not present the appearance of an ordinary corpse.” (pg. 688) Curiously, he did not elaborate.

 

Hadith collector Abu Dawud recorded this account of what happened next: "We did not know whether we should take off the clothes of the Apostle as we took off the clothes of our dead, or wash him while his clothes were on him. Then a speaker spoke from a side of the house, and they did not know who he was: Wash the Prophet while his clothes are on him. So they stood round the Prophet and washed him while he had his shirt on him. They poured water on his shirt, and rubbed him with his shirt and not with their hands. Aisha used to say: If I had known beforehand about my affair what I found out later, none would have washed him except his wives." (Book 20, Number 3135)

 

What was it that Muhammad’s favorite wife, nineteen-year-old Aisha, found out later? This is a bit delicate, so we will just quote Ali’s exclamation: "O Prophet, thy penis is erect unto the sky!"* This detail was never mentioned in Ibn Hisham’s rendering of Muhammad’s biography.

 

Yes, when Muhammad died he suffered from a permanent post-mortem erection, sometimes called “angel lust.” The medical term for the condition is priapism, and it sometimes occurs when people die suddenly by hanging or due to stroke, poisoning, or brain embolisms. This is the same condition that can cause erections “lasting four hours or more” after taking popular prescription medications to treat erectile dysfunction, such as Viagra and Cialis.

 

So after washing Muhammad through his shirt they plied on three layers of burial garments and put him back on his bed. Then his companions disputed over where to bury the Prophet of Islam. It was finally agreed to bury him directly below his bed. So Wednesday night they started to dig his grave.  His wife Aisha didn’t even know about the burial until she heard the sound of pickaxes. Ibn Hisham also reported, “No man acted as imam in the prayers over the apostle." (pg. 688)

 

Why the secrecy in burying Muhammad inside a house in the middle of the night? Not only was his appearance disgraceful and distressing, but his companions feared disputes would break out over this successor. In fact, the rivalry between Sunni and Shiite factions of Islam began at that moment. Four of the first five caliphs, the “rightly guided” successors to Muhammad, were murdered. Furthermore, his companions feared Muslims would leave Islam when they learned about Muhammad’s death. Ibn Hisham commented, “I have heard that Aisha used to say, ‘When the apostle died the Arabs apostatized and Christianity and Judaism raised their heads and disaffection appeared.’“ (pg. 689) Muhammad’s death prompted the Ridda Wars (or Wars of Apostasy) in which thousands of Muslims died trying to escape from Islam. To this day, Muslims are still trying to leave Islam –an act which is a capital crime in Islam and in no other religion.

 

*This quote can be found in Edward Gibbon’s, "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" (1776), Volume 9, page 89, footnote 175.

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Muhammad The Prophet was a man of great moral
written by then lie , March 10, 2012
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Prophet Muhammad was a man of great moral
Quran say about Muhammad
S U R A T A L - Q A L A M

68:4. Dan sesungguhnya kamu (Muhammad) benar-benar berbudi pekerti yang agung.
68:4. And lo(Muhammad)! thou art of a tremendous nature.
6:124 Allah lebih mengetahui di mana Dia menempatkan tugas kerasulan.
6:124 Allah knoweth best with whom to place His message
and Muhammad Grand Grand Son Abraham(ibrahim) from ishmael.
Genesis 17:(20) And as for Ishmael, I have heard and heeded you(Abraham): behold, I will bless him and will make him fruitful and will multiply him exceedingly; He will be the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation. (arabian)
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written by then lie , March 10, 2012
Muhammad ibn Abdullah, who died in 632 AD, was the founder of Islam.
Islam from Allah king of the God.that means surrender to obey to Allah. all prophet from Allah they worship Allah. first prophet Adam the last Prophet Muhammad.Adam, Idris, Nuh, Hud, Ibrahim, ismail, ishak, yacub......isa,Muhammad.
ismail son of Ibrahim and Muhammad Grand grand son of ismail.they are prophet they only worship Allah.
Quran say
2:133. Adakah kamu hadir ketika Yakub kedatangan (tanda-tanda) maut, ketika ia berkata kepada anak-anaknya: "Apa yang kamu sembah sepeninggalku?" Mereka menjawab: "Kami akan menyembah Tuhanmu(Allah) dan Tuhan (Allah) nenek moyangmu, Ibrahim, Ismail dan Ishak, (yaitu) Tuhan Yang Maha Esa dan kami hanya tunduk patuh kepada-Nya."
2:133. Or were ye present when death came to Jacob, when he said unto his sons: What will ye worship after me? They said: We shall worship thy God(Allah), the God (Allah) of thy fathers, Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac, One God, and unto Him we have surrendered. Allah has shown to people from His Book Holy Quran who is the real God that must be we obey.who is our real God. this important, why He become Prophet Muhammad as His messenger.and now all the people in the world back to Islam.
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admin
written by then lie , March 10, 2012
Thanks to You.
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So what?
written by Derek Adams , March 11, 2012
So Mohammed's corpse had an erection according to sources mostly rejected by all Muslims.

Even if the report were true, it seems highly irrelevant to anything.

Maybe something a Christian Arab would poke fun at...
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For Derek Adams
written by Apostate , March 11, 2012
This article just reflects on one of the disgraceful things Ibn Hisham claimed to have expunged from Prophet Muhammad's original biography by Ibn Ishaq. There is nothing wrong with that, is any?

In fact, it does become relevant in the context of perverse sexual life Prophet Muhammad lived.
Maybe something a Christian Arab would poke fun at...
Islam/the Quran/Muslims ridicule certain Christian beliefs officially. What's wrong with an Arab Christian's poking fun at Prophet Muhammad, who and whose successors brutalized the Christians of Arabia and beyond in the most barbaric manner -- process continues to this day in whatever shape and form.
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Quote
written by Muslim & Proud , March 11, 2012
*This quote can be found in Edward Gibbon’s, "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" (1776), Volume 9, page 89, footnote 175.


Since when did Edward Gibbon become a reliable source for muslims????

Lol lol lol
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Typical Islmophobe
written by Muslim & Proud , March 11, 2012
In his own notes, Ibn Hisham made a rather troubling confession -- that he had omitted from the biography "things which it is disgraceful to discuss; matters which would distress certain people." (pg. 691)


In true Islamophobic style, the author has picked out a few words from the note - here is the full note:

"God willing I shall begin this book with Isma'il son of Ibrahim and mention those of his offspring who were the ancestors of God's apostle one by one with what is known about them, taking no account of Isma'il's other children, omitting some of the things which I.I. has recorded in this book in which there is no mention of the apostle and about which the Quran says nothing and which are not relevant to anything in this book or an explanation of it or evidence for it; poems which he quotes that no authority on poetry whom I have met knows of; things which it is disgraceful to discuss; matters which would distress certain people; and such reports as al-Bakka'i told me he could not accept as trustworthy - all these things I have omitted. But God willing I shall give a full account of everything else so far as it is known and trustworthy tradition is available. (The Life of Muhammad, A Translation of Ibn Ishaq's Sirat Rasul Allah, with introduction and notes by Alfred Guillaume [Karachi Oxford University Press, Karachi, Tenth Impression 1995], p. 691; underline emphasis ours)"

End of story.
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M and P
written by rzq , March 11, 2012
salams brother!
The point is not that they misquote and selectively quote, that's easy to expose.
The fact that these articles are allowed to be omitted as fact is a shame!
The fact that mr khan allows this garbage to allowed through is telling.
It's a case of talking loud and saying nothing!
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Rzq
written by Muslim and proud , March 11, 2012
Salaam Bro

You are right - that is one of the reasons websites lile this fall into a certain category.......to prevent disease amongst the civilised society.
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Selctive Recall
written by Malem , March 11, 2012
It is this kind of selctive editing that gets passed around as the so called truth and in turns causes problems. The title alone is troubling, hinting at some sort of great lie hidded. However in the end it was exposed for what it is, just another ploy to toos mud on Islam, quite shameful.
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BOYZ so sweet
written by duh_swami , March 11, 2012
'The fact that mr khan allows this garbage to allowed through is telling'

Well, the answer to that problem IRZ, is to start your own web site...

I enjoy watching you boys squirm and try to debunk every article and negative comment about Islam that appears here...You see boys, if Islam was as perfect as you claim, everyone could see it, and there would be no need to debunk anything...The 'shame', IRZ is that you and your brothers go way out of your way to try and justify abuse...Foolish and feeble attempts really...Have you yet convinced any kuffar posting here about the glories of Islam and the wonders of Mohammad? The frustration must be terrible...
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We are not here to convince the Kuffar
written by Muslim & Proud , March 11, 2012
Have you yet convinced any kuffar posting here about the glories of Islam and the wonders of Mohammad? The frustration must be terrible...


We are here to simply point out how absurd their claims are......as has been the case in this and all other articles.
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M&Pious
written by duh_swami , March 11, 2012
We are not here to convince the Kuffar...
We are here to simply point out how absurd their claims are.

And to what end dearest boy? Do you mean that you correct absurd kuffar claims without convincing kuffar of anything? What is the purpose of that useless exercise? Are you just talking to the wind? You can talk a lot to the wind and convince it of nothing...

I think you must be confused ear boy...Just what is the purpose of da'wa?
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Duh
written by rzq , March 11, 2012
" The frustration must be terrible..."
What frustration? You must think I give a 2p about you!
Let me clear something up for you do it's clear, I just point out from your rabble where your end point is likely to be and offer you a solution to your rabble.
Whether you listen or not that's up to you!
I couldn't care one way or the other!
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written by duh_swami , March 11, 2012
Let me clear something up for you do it's clear, I just point out from your rabble where your end point is likely to be and offer you a solution to your rabble.

So you see yourself as a type of savior who offers solutions to kuffar rabble problems...I see St IRZ...Aren't you just too holy for words...

'You must think I give a 2p about you'!

Well you must think I am worth 1p or you would not bother to correct my rabble...

You are a legend in your own mind and I salute you for that accomplishment...With that, and about $5.00 American, you can buy some ale in any pub in Yorkshire...Tell the bar keeper duh swami sent you for your 10% discount...
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Useful Exercise
written by Muslim and proud , March 11, 2012
"And to what end dearest boy? Do you mean that you correct absurd kuffar claims without convincing kuffar of anything? What is the purpose of that useless exercise?"

It's useless to the useless person - like for example a person who spends all his time on here arguing with people - someone who does not have a life - someone who refuses to answer questions and someone who uses Wikipedia to make a point and at the same time Refers to Wikipedia as fiction....

Lol
Lol
Lol
Lol

That's you......in a very small nutshell
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Duh
written by Mal , March 11, 2012
It is quite clear your frustration level is rising as it is in direct proportion to the terms "dearest" "dear" "sweetest" etc.. your way of calling someone a name, albeit in a nice way. Sometimes you are on the side of an argument that cannot be one, and I think you are on that side, yet again.

My prediction is a response with some sort of 'sweet' or 'dear' in it...
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@ M & P/rzq: quoting whole passage doesn't change anything.
written by Editor, M A Khan , March 11, 2012
Your quoting the whole passage doesn't change anything. A few types of content were deleted: 1) poems which he quotes that no authority on poetry whom I have met knows of; 2) things which it is disgraceful to discuss; 3) matters which would distress certain people; and 4) such reports as al-Bakka'i told me he could not accept as trustworthy - all these things I have omitted. Type 2 and 3 contents are independent or separate from type 4 contents that you have highlighted. It's also not so intelligent to think that al-Bakkai, who was born some 50 years later, would know better than Ibn Ishaq or his sources.
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written by Archpagan , March 11, 2012
Subhanallah, Peace be on Me, Houries be on Him.
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Sweet boys will be sweet boyz
written by duh_swami , March 11, 2012
I am very pleased that the local Muslims here love me so much and greatly appreciate my efforts...It would be hard to find sweeter guys than this...Doctor Malman, with all due respect for your book learning, you cannot diagnose my frustration level over the internet...To do that you must practice witchcraft or some other cult teaching that is haram for you...However dear DoctorI have studied subjects not available to you that give me 'special' powers...One of them is the ability to recognize a fairy tale when I see one, and not fall into a deluded state of mind because of them...You see Doctor, as you know, people who believe in fairy tales are deluded, and should not be in the position of making important decisions......
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Duh
written by Malem , March 11, 2012
And the winner is.....ME, prediction of 100% accuracy on your response...THANK YOU!
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Doctor swell
written by duh_swami , March 11, 2012
And the winner is.....ME, prediction of 100% accuracy on your response...THANK YOU!

Huh? I though smoking pot was haram...I suppose patting yourself on the back is not...I hope you didn't hurt yourself sweets...

So you are making predictions Dear Doctor, are you practicing magic? Are you a Prophet? A sorcerer? Did Allah give you the power of predictions? If not who did give it to you, Iblis?
Take two aspirin and calm me in the morning after you hallucinations subside...
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@ Mr Khan
written by Muslim and proud , March 11, 2012
"It's also not so intelligent to think that al-Bakkai, who was born some 50 years later, would know better than Ibn Ishaq or his sources."

"Imam Malik was not the only contemporary of Ibn Ishaq's to have problems with him. Despite writing the earliest biography of Prophet Muhammad, Scholars such as al-Nisa'I and Yahya b. Kattan did not view Ibn Ishaq as a reliable or authoritative source of Hadith." (Jones, J.M.B. Ibn Ishak. Vol. IV, in Encyclopaedia of Islam, edited by Ch. Pellat, and J. SchachtV.L.M.B. Lewis. London: Luzac & Co., 1971: pages 810-811)."

Interesting to see khan that you defend Ibn Ishaq - I wonder why that is....
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M&Pleasant
written by duh_swami , March 11, 2012
(Jones, J.M.B. Ibn Ishak. Vol. IV, in Encyclopaedia of Islam, edited by Ch. Pellat, and J. SchachtV.L.M.B. Lewis. London: Luzac & Co., 1971: pages 810-811)."

I thought you said that kuffar writers about Islam were faulty, now you quote them...
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Faulty?
written by Muslim and proud , March 11, 2012
"I thought you said that kuffar writers about Islam were faulty, now you quote them?"

Please confirm where I have said "kuffar writers are faulty"

Good luck
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M&Pugncious
written by duh_swami , March 11, 2012
I'm not going to research your words for you sweet boy...If you are looking for the exact word 'faulty', you may not have used that exact word...but that is irrelevant...Do you trust kuffar writings about Islam if they don't agree with you, or only if they do?
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Islamic Scholars
written by Mozambique , March 11, 2012

I dont understand why these looney islamic scholars likes of MP RZQ MALEM cannot answer my question untill now.

Why Mohammad kissed the Black Stone??

If they dont answer they should be banned on this site. Period
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Guys ... guys ... it is time to have some laughs ... Muslim laughs that is...
written by fineliving56 , March 11, 2012
the times when everything was created by Allah according to the knowledgeable Muhammad

Haddeth sahih /53/1/1605

Abu Hurarah said that Muhammad said :

Allah created the mud in the day of Saturday,
and created the mountains on Sunday
and created trees on Monday
and created the FORBIDDEN or things are hated { makrroh] on Tuesday ... lol
and created the light on Wednesday
and created dawwab [animals that used by human to travel ] on Thursday ...
and then here we come ..

we were the lucky last of Allah's creations

We were created at the dusk of Friday... the last hours of Friday ....right about the time between dusk and night ... Muhammad was not sure exactly...

I would say ...... sixech ..... haha
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Duh
written by Malem , March 11, 2012
Point is you have no intelligent respones, lack of knowledge of the Quran and Islam, just someone who cust and pasts from Wiki and other webs pages, not very original Duh, not at all.
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Poor sweet Doctor
written by duh_swami , March 11, 2012
who cust and pasts from Wiki and other webs pages, not very original Duh, not at all.

Blah blah blah sweetest Doctor...Blah blah blah...I never cust anything, and you cannot show that I have sweetest Doctor...You poor thing, you lack knowledge of what it means to be human, replacing it with belief in fairy tales...No wonder your a mental wreck...maybe some Valium would pep you up...But it is nice of you dear boy to take time out from your busy medical practice to shower me compliments, I appreciate it, I really do,.,,Thanx so much...
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Maybe Muhammed
written by Tanstaafl jw , March 11, 2012
Was just getting ready for his 72 virgins.
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I have another Qustions that is begging to be asked
written by fineliving56 , March 11, 2012
The thing is ....

If Muhammad said that the forbidden [ makrrh ] is created by Allah on Tuesday ... of all days .[.lol]

Allah ....does not give us a choice to come to this world ! ... Allah just brings us here weather we want to come or not ... Allah did not ask !!! [ If Allah gave me a choice I would have said ... NO THANKS ... nicely ]

And then, Allah dangles the forbidden in our faces ....

And then Allah says, if you do the forbidden [ again he created ] I will barbeque you on the grill in Jahanim

And then Allah lurks up there in the sky, watching and waiting for us [ us humans that Allah created ] to do the forbidden [that Allah created]

here is the question:

Is Allah in need of entertainment ... that is why .... IT sits and plays with us ...like how a cat plays with a mouse until it eats it ... or Allah just dumb as door knob
or both?







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Fineliving
written by Muslim and proud , March 11, 2012
You are obviously still sad and pathetic....lol

"I have another Qustions that is begging to be asked"

I have a question.....why are you still sa and pathetic?

LOL
LOL
LOL
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written by duh_swami , March 11, 2012
Allah is a bugger...He creates a beautiful garden on Earth and he creates his beloved humans...Then he sits us down in Earthly Paradise with out warning us that everything except vegetation, and even some of that, is trying to kill us...Allah put poisonous spiders to climb into your shoes at night waiting for you, he put poisonous snakes under rocks a tree stumps to spring out on us as we pass by...He put deadly germs in your chick peas, and cancer cells in your falafal...Even your skin is crawling with potentially deadly vermin...Allah officiates at all suffering and illness, and untimely death...Allah is a bugger...an evil bugger///

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Disgraceful & Distressing
written by Muslim and proud , March 11, 2012
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17334646

"US President Barack Obama has phoned his Afghan counterpart Hamid Karzai to express condolences over the massacre of 16 villagers in Kandahar.

Nine children were killed along with adults in their homes when a US soldier based locally allegedly went on a gun rampage during the night."

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written by This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it , March 11, 2012
The trouble with Islam is it’s a cruel joke on all humanity.
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M&Perfect
written by duh_swami , March 11, 2012
My dear friend and buddie, M&Precious...Why do you laugh at someone who you claim is sad and pathetic?...Is it because I laugh at you and think you are sad and pathetic? Actually I don't think you are sad, you are not smart enough to be sad, but you are pathetic...It really pains me to talk down to you like this my good friend, but like your brothers, you need periodic attitude adjustments...Your fine tuning knob needs a little tweeking and you will be fine...
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M&Pious
written by duh_swami , March 11, 2012
Disgraceful & Distressing

Certainly is, where is your equal disgust of Muslims killing Christians in say Egypt and Iraq?

Actually some reports indicate more than one trooper killing civilians...But like all things Islamic we have to wait for details to make sure the incident was not an Afghanistan put up job...
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@fineliving
written by rzq , March 11, 2012
Is it time of the month love?
Your posts are becoming less and less understandable!
Get some help!!!!
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Habibi Mulatto and Pisslim and Habibi Riskz
written by Mohamed , March 11, 2012
@ fines first language is not english.
What do you not understand in her writings Habibi.
Rather then show your rudeness why dont you clarify and ask again.
If you need abuse after getting beaten all around we can give you more abuse from Hadith and Quran till you whimper.
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Angel Lust
written by Muhammad ibn Iblis , March 11, 2012
Of course he had a boner when he died, he saw the vision of all the virgins waiting for him in heaven, they paraded in front of him in all their innocence and he figured it was better being dead that alive, after all he had so much work to do in eternity. His work on founding the religion of peace was done.
But for the religion of peace to succeed Muhammad ibn Iblis had to first destroy the Jews and Christians who helped him stay alive and helped his heresy survive. It is this belief that has sown the seeds of hatred and of the final conflict at the end of time. He had created a religion of peace:- http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
Mr Khan go read your Koran and ask yourself why the Christians and Jews are called people of the book and are respected, and a few chapters later they are called Apes and Swine and later on Muslims are exhorted to ambush, rob and kill them? Then ask yourself the Question: Why Almighty Allah the Most Merciful, The most Compassionate does not just create Muslims, he can stop others religions from reproducing so that they all die out and the only people left in the world are Muslims? Why does he create human beings who are sinful, who lust after evil? Why did he never create a race of perfect human beings like the angels? Ask yourself then what right does anyone have to kill others
based on what they believe? Science tell us that we begin our life as female and it is the hormones present based on the the chromosomes that make the person male, So what right has the man to rule over the women when he truly is just a reconstituted woman? Ask yourself is the Sharia and the inequality it preaches against women, your wife, your mother, your sister, your daughter, your relatives justified? Don't believe blindly but look for answers, the questions were posed 1400 years ago by Ayeesha "Narrated 'Aisha:It is not good that you people have made us (women) equal to dogs and donkeys. No doubt I saw Allah's Apostle praying while I used to lie between him and the Qibla and when he wanted to prostrate, he pushed my legs and I withdrew them. (Sahih Bukhari 1.486, cf. Sahih Bukhari 1.490, Sahih Bukhari 1.493, Sahih Bukhari 1.498)
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Machmoed ...I guess the Muslim dzq here... does not understand simple English
written by fineliving56 , March 11, 2012
Well ... It is OK ...

let us give him time to become full grown man to act like a man should act

he is not a man!!

beside ... No use lowering my self to level of a Muslim ... even to childish boy like he apparently is .

He called me *love* ... and that silly boy does not know the meaning of this word ... if he does, he would not have wrote about women and thier time of the month to put her down.

How silly ... Without that time of the month he would have not be here on this earth... he is bad a Muslim after all he is making fun of such important fact about the creation of life. ...

no surprise from a Muslim boy

I do not think he know how silly he sounds .

thanks for your words ... Machmoed

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Duh Swami
written by fineliving56 , March 11, 2012
His fine tuning knob needs a lot of tweaking because it's squeaking ... I could hear it all the way here ... hopefully it will be fine ... )

seriously ...

I am so sorry for what my people are doing and have done ... to know a Muslim who speaks my languish, started this injustices against humanity .. it leaves me in consent state of bewilderment .

it's just sits heavy ..

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written by vbv , March 12, 2012
Muhamad must have been the worst tyrant and the most immoral man that ever existed. He has thrived on his bogus revelations that was just a ploy to justify his rapes,fornications, massacres,murders, plunders, loots, etc. These acts are immoral and barbaric in any religion/society but muslims have hallowed these barbaric acts and are willing to do the same 1400 years since the demise of the worst barbarian history has ever seen. This barbarian did not see his father and was rejected by his own mother - perhaps she could see that her son would turn out to be a lecherous, immnoral , megalomaniacal monster that would trample women's honour and human rights and humanist values with impunity and utter disdain to get what his perverted mind wanted , like the proverbial spoilt brat with an extremely evil mind. This cannot be wished away or washed away as so much innocent blood has been spilt by this mosnter who calls himself a
'prophet' and his diehard zealots who would not do an honest days work but will exert themselves to the hilt to imitate their monster prophet's ways . However much they may try to brush the immoral and barbaric acts of their fake prophets ,it manifests itself in the acts and the violently intolerant ways of his followers to this day, who would not hesitate to murder anyone who so much as questions this murderous, fake 'prophet'.
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VBV
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , March 12, 2012
VBV

You Know I always admire your for deep insight and understanding of the spirit of Islam, especially your psychoanalysis of Islam and its bogus prophet.
It is only when you beam your search light into the Judeo-Christian faith of which you must admit have little knowledge of that we often part ways.

You rightly observed " However much they may try to brush the immoral and barbaric acts of their fake prophets ,it manifests itself in the acts and the violently intolerant ways of his followers to this day, who would not hesitate to murder anyone who so much as questions this murderous, fake 'prophet'. "

There is no way these guys can be more pious than their Master. Bible says a bad tree cannot both yield good and bad fruits at the same time. A good tree is known by its fruits because by their fruits you shall know them.

So far the fruits of Islam all over the world are bad. Yet they want us to believe that the source is good even when their scriptures confirmed that the source was bad. How can that be?

Cheers



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visage
written by anders , March 12, 2012
But did Mohammad die with a smile on his face? Surely Allah knows best...
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Peharps the Sucide bumbers learnt their Dress code from Mohammed post-,morten erection
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , March 12, 2012
I read somewhere I can remember exactly where, of how the suicide bombers usually dress. That they usually place their penis in an upward position and wrap it getting ready for action at the blast of the bombs to open their eyes in hands of heavenly virgins waiting for real bedmatics.

These guys must have read about their Prophet post mortem erection which places the Prophet in readiness for the test of what he had preached for 23 years. The time of the practical has come. This story is faith lifting story for the faithful. I believe that people like Malem, M&P and RZQ will be delighted to know this that after all the story of heavenly houris or virgin might be true after all. Since their prophet died in readiness for action.
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written by duh_swami , March 12, 2012
A post death erection of any corpse is highly unlikely...A penis becomes erect due to a gorging with blood...Post death, blood drains to the lowest spot...If the corpse is on it's back as usual, blood will naturally drain away from the penis...Priapism, a medical condition, is named after the Greek god Priapus who was the god of fertility, especially of vegetable gardens...His picture shows him with a giant thingy...All statues of him ever found have the thingy broken off...The medical condition is one where a full thingy erection won't subside...I have known only one person that had this, and he ws not having fun...It was very painful...Had Mohammad had medical priapism prior to death he would certainly have been complaining about it...
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jesus is a men
written by then lie , March 12, 2012
more people make him as a god, why?Propphet Muhammad say the religion for the people use his minds, jesus eat,drink go to toilet why people worship he?sometimes I laughing alone and think another people worship paulus follow his opinion with eating pig and not circumsis.only muslim follwow he.cause this order from Allah the god of prophets.all prophets worship Allah.I ask you who is you are worship???and who is your god men.vbv??
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then lie
written by duh_swami , March 12, 2012
jesus eat,drink go to toilet

Where is your evidence that Jesus ever went to the toilet? There is no record of that anywhere...
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then lie
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , March 12, 2012
"jesus eat,drink go to toilet why people worship he?"

which one is reasonable and logical? To worship a human being or to worship a stone who does not hear but dead and dumb.

Who told you that "all prophets worship Allah"? How many of Allah's prophets are Jews? All of them except Mohammed. All Jewish prophets worship Yahweh not Allah check your facts. Allah the moon god of the Arabs dwells in Kaaba with the blackstone as his representative and he answers no prayers of anyone even Mohammed because is a stone. Stone does not hear.

But Jesus is alive answering prayers every day every moment every second anywhere any time you call on him by faith. He is the same yesterday today and forever. Is that the kind of person whom you equate with a stone?

At any case the God of Jews and Christian is a person and not a stone. We worship a personality not a stone.

We relate to him as children and their father and not as slaves and servants as Allah wants to be worshipped with countless rituals washing hands, legs nose, eyes, ass etc and the regular ass ups protrations to the lord of the Kaaba Satan himself receiving all the worship. What a task master Satan is. I am sorry for you.
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Clement
written by duh_swami , March 12, 2012
But Jesus is alive answering prayers every day every moment every second anywhere any time you call on him by faith.

Of course there is a theological question that follows that...Why does it require someone with faith to get help from Jesus? If Jesus practiced 'hate the sin but love the sinner', why would he refuse aid to someone he loved?

But then, I don't want to distract you from aiding 'then lie' in his hours of need, so I don't insist you answer...
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Just another apalling story about origin of the most barbaric "religion" world has ever seen
written by Hanna , March 12, 2012
Even by ethics of 6th century was the "Prophet" a cruel and barbaric pervert.
It borders on impossible that a billion ignorant people believe in the inhumane teachings he left as his legacy and continue to use them as an excuse to harm many innocent women, men and children. Ignorance is not an excuse for evil.
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Duh_ Swami Faith is a necesity to receiving from true God.
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , March 12, 2012
I know you don't believe the Bible but just in case hear this

Heb 11:6 " But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."

God is not a task master like Allah and who has predesined every body. He wants people to take decision on their own to make choice because he made man a free moral Agent to decide and shape his destiny by himself.

Those who reject him and fail to acknowledge him despite the clear revelation in the Bible will have themselves to blame.

The true God is not like Allah who despite their deligent worshipping of him by muslim with all its rituality and legality still does he not seem to answer them. He could not give them any reason or promise to live for but he has given them enough reasons for them to die for Allah.

But we don't need to die for the true God because he has already died for us so that we can be saved through faith in the free gift of eternal life in Jesus Christ.

"why would he refuse aid to someone he loved? "

No you must come to him before he can aid you. coming to him is an expression of faith in him. That is how he wants free moral agency to be expressed.



Cheers
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Mr Pastor
written by Muslim and proud , March 12, 2012
If Jesus is God - who is the father?
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Clement
written by duh_swami , March 12, 2012
Heb 11:6 " But without faith it is impossible to please him:

What's with these gods who only like people who please them? This kind of nonsense is enough to turn off a person who can actually think...Is 'God' an egotistical self serving human? Only insecure humans play, 'I will love you if you love me first'...I would hold God to a higher standard...But not Allah...Allah has no standards...
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Habibi PMS and Habibi ArsZ LoL (Lots of Love)
written by Mozlem , March 12, 2012
Freedon in Pisslim world
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en.../3325.htm

Ban footy fatwa after banning cucumbers and carrots
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/3326.htm

Aru you guys some kind of jokers or it is just endemic in the pisslim world
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clement
written by vbv , March 12, 2012
Should faith be a prerequisite for a "god" the "creator" to help ? Is it not absurd ? A human being always helps his/her offspring without being asked for it . A human being generally helps another in great distress or in the case of an accident. This "god" of yours wants human beings to cringe, crawl, scrub their noses in abject surrender and debase oneself like a zombified serf in order to avail any kind of help or succour from this socalled "god" . This "god" of your , especially the monotheistic monster nut expects extreme adulation, pampering so that this mosnter is tranquilised , or else the monster's rage knows no bounds. Can you call this creature anything but a monster that has sprung out of a wicked self-seeking human mind that wanted to get power and pelf by putting the fear of "god" in you literally. What kind of "god the creator" is that it "creates" evil , Hell, Satan, Devil, and all the socalled temptations to transgress , and yet expects the poor human beings to abstain and submit in humiliation ? This monotheistic "god" is also a women-hater.This"god" who "created" all the evil is the most evil , since only the wicked and evil can create something that is so evil . After all we can see in this world that only the wicked, evil, conmen(which includes godmen/prophets/patriarchs,etc.) that prosper ,while the good people always suffer and live on the margins. Great paradox ,indeed ! This only goes to show that all religions are bullshits, there is no "god" and it is all a concoction of wicked men.
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written by vbv , March 12, 2012
Muslims are frauds. They claim all the jewish prophets/patriarchs for themselves , and also fraudulently claim that all newborns are always born as "muslims". Remove all the jewish prophets/patriarchs from the Quran, it becomes a fragile shell with the arabic deity only justifying the evil and immoral acts of Muhamad. It becomes totally bankrupt of any idealogy that is worth speaking. Yet Muhamad wants to exterminate all the jews and forcibly convert the rest of humanity to this arab-cult. Because muslims know that without the Bible and its mythical tales , islam is just a local arab cult that cannot stand up to any scrutiny morally, ethically. Islam is a sham, a total bullshit , considering the immoral, lecherous and plundering and murderous ways of its sole founder Mjuhamad.
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What pleases
written by Yibel , March 13, 2012
the god YHVH. Doing that which is right!

For they know not to do right, saith YHVH, they store up violence and robbery in their palaces. Amos 3:10

Here this word, ye kine of Bashan, that are in the mountain of Samaria, which oppress the poor, which crush the needy, which say to their god, Bring and let us drink. Amos 4:1

Ye who turn judgement into wormwood, and leave off righteousness in the earth.
Amos 5:7 Seek good, and not evil, that ye may live: and YHVH, the God of hosts, shall be with you...Hate the evil and love the good, and establish judgement in the gate (courts)... Amos 5

All the prophets of the Bible worshiped YHVH, NOT Allah, the demon god of Muhammad. The NAME YHVH is the only name found in the Bible which Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Judah, Moses, David, and all the Hebrew prophets of the Bible worshiped. The name YHVH occurs over 6000 times. The name Allah does not occur even once!! Actually, the word alah occurs in Hebrew; it is a verb meaning to curse!!!

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Du-swami. We don't love God In short He was the one who first to Love us.
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , March 13, 2012

"...Is 'God' an egotistical self serving human? Only insecure humans play, 'I will love you if you love me first'...I would hold God to a higher standard...But not Allah...Allah has no standards... "

The true God never demanded from his creation what he was incapable of doing or demonstrate for them as an example.

He showed love and mercy to the children Israel by delivering them from bondage in Egypt before he demanded love and obedience from them.

He first all revealed his love and mercy to Abraham by given him a miracle child before commanding Abraham to walk in love and in perfection before him. God demonstrated his divine power over all evils of men with signs and wonders which mortals never did before he demanded love and obedience to his commandment.

In the new covenant he first love us and gave his only begotten son as ram some for our sins before he demanded love and obedience from us.

It is a test of this reciprocal love required from us that make faith necessary. If you appreciate what God has done through reading his written revelation the Bible and accept his offer of Salvation by faith, then you are qualify to receive from him the rest of the benefits from him. Your salvation is more important in the sight of God than any other thing in this world that you think of.

The Christian God is not egoistic as you wrongly assumed perhaps you wanted to say Allah.
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M7M
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , March 13, 2012
"If Jesus is God - who is the father? "

According to the Quran has Jesus a father or fatherless?
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Mr Pastor
written by Muslim and proud , March 13, 2012
Please answer the question and stop squirming:

"If Jesus is God - who is the father? "
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M&P
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , March 13, 2012
"Please answer the question and stop squirming: "

I don't want to come down to your level because you are operation in a below belt and I just want to answer you in your foly.

If the Quran confirm that Jesus is the Spirit of God and a word from him without an earthly father is it not logical therefore to say that God was his father just like God was the father of Adam?

If God can do anything because is all powerful is therefore too big for God become man and dwel among men?

You see your question is too childish and faithless not like a religious person you claim to be.

You tell me who was the father of Jesus? Because no human ever existed in this plannet earth without a father. Tell me who was Jesus father?

I know the next question you will ask me with your 7th Century mentality is who is the wife of God to born a child him?. To muslims unless God can have a consort (wife) he cannot not have a son. That is the limit of their knowledge of the omnipotence of God. They thought God is like their impotent Allah.

I am sorry my friend if you cannot answer my question then forget about your silly question, for I cannot come down to your level.
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Mr Pastor
written by Muslim & Proud , March 13, 2012
Please stop squirming.

I asked a very simple question:

If Jesus is God, who is the father?

Now please answer the question - if you can.
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M&P Let me say this one more time
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , March 13, 2012
You see I don't know what you are looking for. I hope you know that Yahweh is not the same as Allah?

The God of the Bible is a tri-unity God, three in one. I don't want to take you into this advance study because your small brain cannot cope. But if you know that Jesus the man has a father who is God. At least that will be one step forward but as it is now you it is difficult for you to understand.

Because Jesus has two nature one divine nature and two human nature.

He was not born as God but has human, and he did not die as God but as human. But the process of his birth and his ressurection and ascenssion reaveld his divine nature.

This is a reavelation from the loving God of the Bible who is a stranger to you but because of the poison you have taken from that evil book call the Quran it cannot allow you to understand this divine revelation.

If I tell you that Jesus was the incarnation of God in Man you will call it blasphemy.

But the issue of Jesus being God is a settled case with proofs that cannot be doubted by any Bible believer

In case you don't know the three personality that make of tri-unity God of the Bible let me remind you. They are: 1. God the father, 2.God the Son and 3.God the HolyGhost. If you don't know this one God it is too bad.

So if you want this discurse to continue you must answere my Question who according to your understanding is the father of Jesus the man? I don't want you take Jesus as God in the first Instance but understand him as man first because he also was fully man. who was his father?
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Mr Pastor
written by Muslim and proud , March 13, 2012
"He was not born as God but has human, and he did not die as God but as human."

Here is what you said earlier on:

"But we don't need to die for the true God because he has already died for us so that we can be saved through faith in the free gift of eternal life in Jesus Christ."

Your "true god" is dead....

You are talking so much rubbish that you no longer have any idea about what you are saying Mr Pasta

According to you:

Jesus = The true God who died
The Father =God

Who is God and who is the father and who is the holy ghost - lol

In reality, you have 3 Gods - which you won't admit to. You are a totally lost person Mr Pasta - lol
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Ibn Ishaq: A fictitious character of Hisham and Tabri.
written by RW , March 13, 2012
Ibn Ishaq
I am copying a portion from an article of Wikipedia on Ibn Ishaq’s publications.

Ibn Isḥaq reportedly collected traditions about the life of the Islamic prophet Muhammad, now collectively known as "The Prophetic Biography", and survives mainly in two sources:

1.An edited copy, or recension, of his work by his student al-Bakka'i, which was further edited by ibn Hisham. Al-Bakka'i's work has perished and only ibn Hisham's has survived, in copies. According to Guillaume (at xvii), ibn Hisham "abbreviated, annotated, and sometimes altered" the text of ibn Isḥaq. Interpolations made by ibn Hisham are said to be recognizable and can be deleted, leaving as a remainder an "edited" version of ibn Isḥaq's original text (otherwise lost). Guillaume (at xxxi) points out that ibn Hisham's version omits several narratives given by al-Tabari in his History of the Prophets and Kings (e.g., at 1192, and at 1341), for which al-Tabari cited ibn Isḥaq as his source. In the "edited" text we have, an introductory part describes pre-Islamic Arabia (about 100 pages in Guillaume), before commencing with the narratives surrounding the life of Muhammad.

2.An edited copy, or recension, prepared by his student Salamah ibn Fadl al-Ansari. This also has perished, and survives only in the copious extracts to be found in the voluminous History of the Prophets and Kings.

We don’t find any memoir or publication from Ibn Ishaq. Tabri and Hisham have alleged that they got the data from Ibn Ishaq. Even his disciple’s work was not available

Fragments of several other recensions. Guillaume lists them on p. xxx of his preface, but regards most of them as so fragmentary as to be of little worth.

According to Donner, the material in Ibn Hisham and al-Tabari is "virtually the same". However, there is some material to be found in al-Tabari that was not preserved by ibn Hisham.

Following the publication of previously unknown fragments of ibn Isḥaq's traditions, recent scholarship suggests that ibn Isḥaq did not commit to writing any of the traditions now extant, but they were narrated orally to his transmitters. These new texts, found in accounts by Salama al-Ḥarranī and Yūnus ibn Bukayr, were hitherto unknown and contain even more deviations to those found in other works". Unquote

Kindly observe an edited copy or recentions’ which give rise misgivings, Ibn Ishaq can not be called a source. But he lived in closer period of Muhammad’s time and Tabri/ Hisham were late comers, they needed Ibn Ishaq like things for legitimacy.


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M&P
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , March 13, 2012
If your brain is not too small to accommodate the two, you should regard the two statements as complementary. Is because Christ has two nature sometimes when you refer to his human nature you have take time to exlain before a finite mind like yours will understand. That is exaclty what I did in the second statement by stating that though he was full God he die only and his human nature permit.


My God is not dead even if he was dead I have 2 other spares to keep the universe moving and continue to answer prayers but your God is only one deity located in Kaaba and it remain there impotent it cannot answer prayers. As far as your god does not answer any prayer is as good as dead.

But in a serious note the three in one concept is not 1+1+1=3 but !x1x1= 1

Jesus only gave up his human nature to die for our sins so that we can be saved

I hope you understand.
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Mr Pastor
written by Muslim and proud , March 13, 2012
"But in a serious note the three in one concept is not 1+1+1=3 but !x1x1= 1"

Lol

"My God is not dead even if he was dead I have 2 other spares to keep the universe moving and continue to answer prayers"

Thanks for confirming - it is 3 gods after all

Jesus = the true god who died
The Father = God

Nobody knows who the father is and what the holy ghost is - but they are ALL Gods

Lol
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M&P
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , March 13, 2012
You are yet to answer the question who was the father of Jesus the man you know as the son of Mary?

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only worship Allah, is the straight path.
written by then lie , March 13, 2012
then lie
written by duh_swami, March 12, 2012
jesus eat,drink go to toilet

Where is your evidence that Jesus ever went to the toilet? There is no record of that anywhere...
...He is a men must be he need eat.and then go to toilet.he need eat for live.but people not follow him, the people follow paul.they worship paul.jesus not eat pig and he circumsition, and you??who are you whorship?you follow paul.

then lie
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor, March 12, 2012
"jesus eat,drink go to toilet why people worship he?"


Who told you that "all prophets worship Allah"? How many of Allah's prophets are Jews? All of them except Mohammed.
Muhammad grand grand son of ibrahim(abraham).Allah give relegion to arab(islam).coz jews kill a part of prophets.the last jesus(isa) they "kill".

Adam, Idris, Nuh, Hud, sholeh, Abraham, ismail, ishak, yakub, Yusuf ...isa, Muhammad. they worship Allah.
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written by duh_swami , March 13, 2012
All I have to do is take a nap and the thread falls apart...Haha, all this talk about invisible imaginary spooks...My god is bigger and better than your god...Funny...All of you, well almost all of you, believe in fairy tales...God by any name is just a big guy in the sky that will punish you for disobedience and sin...Childhood wish fulfillment fantasy...Sorry, I don't share that particular fantasy...There is no 'God' as any of you describe, and there is no sin...'Living' is my religion, and 'breathing' the holy sacrament...The rest is just details...
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written by dead or alive , March 13, 2012
Reference to son of God in Bible ,Matthew;22,42-45.Ps110-1.
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then lie
written by duh_swami , March 13, 2012
As far as Jesus toileting...According to the literature, Jesus was the Son of God who was God...Do you think 'Allah' toilets? If he does, does the stuff stink? Someone once told me that in the most ancient of days, Allah became very constipated, and when he finally pooped, Islam popped out...Is there any truth to that 'then lie'? Was everything Gabriel told Mohammad just a load of Allah fecal matter? Jesus never pooped on his followers 'then lie'...He never gave them a load of crap...If it's crap we are looking for, we just need to look to Islam and Quran, where most of the crap is recorded...
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Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor
written by then lie , March 13, 2012

But Jesus is alive answering prayers every day every moment every second anywhere any time you call on him by faith. He is the same yesterday today and forever. Is that the kind of person whom you equate with a stone?

At any case the God of Jews and Christian is a person and not a stone. We worship a personality not a stone. (islam worship Allah)
............jesus kill by jews.christian not worship jews god(elohim) and jews not worship jesus.
christian obey paul.
Matthew 15(9) Uselessly do they worship Me(jesus), for they teach as doctrines the commands of men. (paul doctrines) eat pig not circumsition.they not worship Allah.
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written by then lie , March 13, 2012
written by duh_swami, March 13, 2012
All I have to do is take a nap and the thread falls apart...Haha, all this talk about invisible imaginary spooks...My god is bigger and better than your god...Funny.
@Swami your god and christian satisfying this???.....like spirit in the junggle.
Leviticus 2(1) WHEN ANYONE offers a cereal offering to the Lord, it shall be of fine flour; and he shall pour oil over it and lay frankincense on it.
(2) And he shall bring it to Aaron's sons the priests. Out of it he shall take a handful of the fine flour and oil, with all its frankincense, and the priest shall burn this on the altar as the memorial portion of it, an offering made by fire, of a sweet and satisfying fragrance to the Lord.

Leviticus 3(3) And from the sacrifice of the peace offering, an offering made by fire to the Lord, he shall offer the fat that covers and is upon the entrails

islam god (Allah)is better

37. Their flesh and their blood reach not Allah, but the devotion from you reacheth Him. Thus have We made them
subject unto you that ye may magnify Allah that He hath guided you. And give good tidings (O Muhammad) to the good.
islam is the right path, back to islam you will save forever.
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written by then lie , March 13, 2012
Holy Quran 22:37. Their flesh and their blood reach not Allah, but the devotion from you reacheth Him. Thus have We made them
subject unto you that ye may magnify Allah that He hath guided you. And give good tidings (O Muhammad) to the good.
islam is the right path, back to islam you will save forever.
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Then lie
written by duh_swami , March 13, 2012
My dear friend 'then lie', I'm so sorry I caused you to have an Allahgasm...If you lay down a rest up, it will probably go away in an hour or so...
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M&P et all
written by Malem , March 13, 2012
My recommendation is that if you want a half way serious conversation and civil dialogue would be to ignore posters who respond in this type of manner

"As far as Jesus toileting...According to the literature, Jesus was the Son of God who was God...Do you think 'Allah' toilets? If he does, does the stuff stink? Someone once told me that in the most ancient of days, Allah became very constipated, and when he finally pooped, Islam popped out...Is there any truth to that 'then lie'? Was everything Gabriel told Mohammad just a load of Allah fecal matter? Jesus never pooped on his followers 'then lie'...He never gave them a load of crap...If it's crap we are looking for, we just need to look to Islam and Quran, where most of the crap is recorded..."

They really have nothing to offer other than filling up space on the blog. There are plenty of others who would rather discuss the various topics in a mature manner.
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The superior Doctor Malman speaks
written by duh_swami , March 13, 2012
Who appointed you Editor Doctor Malman sweets? Who appointed you chief cook and bottle washer? O believer in fairy tales...You do not discuss any topic in a mature manner Mr Sweet heart, you evade, obfuscate, indulge yourself in tu quoque and also tell lies...You think it is your sacred duty to preach to luffar...I'm not here seeking your approval sweetheart so, 'Get from behind me Satan'...I don't really believe in Satan, but I think you get the drift...
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off topic
written by dead or alive , March 13, 2012
Ex govt. of Penna supports Iran terrorist group at www.philly.com
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Malman the sweetest
written by duh_swami , March 13, 2012
In addition to the above, Malman sweet, thanks for reposting the comment you objected to...Twice is much better than once...You see Malman sweet doctor genius, 'then lie' and I have a special relationship as friends...He shares Islamic fairy tales, pornography and racy Quran verses with me, and I share share fairy tale stories with him...I'm sorry if that makes you jealous, but I can't spend all my time responding to just your fairy tales...Others need my attention also...
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Then lie
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , March 13, 2012
."they not worship Allah. "

I am not contesting the worship of Allah with you. Christians don't worship Allah a tri-unity God Called Yahweh who is a father to the Jews and to the Christian. A family relationship not like Allah who had a slave master relationship with the Arabs and all muslims.

They are hot the same. The fact that the jews killed Jesus did not rob Jesus of his Messiaship. Jesus was a fulfilmen of the hundreds of the Jewish scriptures which you cannot deny here read Isiash 7:14, 9:6 and 53:12
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OT ... Now ...Non Muslims killing Muslims with no discrimination like Syrians are doing ... really?
written by fineliving56 , March 13, 2012
The bodies of dead Syrian men, women and childern are being carted in backs of trucks like dead sheep ...

They are carted and exhibited in street to show the world the level of human life have reduced to in the Islamic world ...

Wherever Islam lives, dead innocent bodies drop like dead flies ... I am sorry to say

I am, also, sorry to say that Non Muslims are killing Muslims innocents and bystanders as ruthless as Muslims .... why ? ... I know it is rear ... but it happening ... why would a man close his eyes and shoot? ...

How we are going to differentiate our selves from the every day Muslims who just kill innocents for every stupid reason there is ... like drawing silly cartoon of Muhammad ... we are better and we should not come to their level .

What makes me really sad ... that not one Muslim came out and expressed sorrow of what Muslims like them are doing to others all that time ... May be if they did, they might go some where.

On the other hand you see the west apologizing for killing innocents Muslims, like normal human would do and should do ... but too bad, Muslims would not take it that way, they would think the west is weak because of Muslims were and still notoriously well known of their rigid and backward traditions ...

Why peace is so rare ... it seems it is non existing
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Fineliving56
written by Muslim and proud , March 13, 2012
"Wherever Islam lives, dead innocent bodies drop like dead flies ... I am sorry to say"

Islam and Muslims live in the UK - your ignorance and stupidity is still a problem for you - get some help
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it looks like stiupidity is on the other side
written by fineliving56 , March 13, 2012
When I said Islam * lives *.. I mean Islam lives as a disease in the * hearts and minds of Muslims * ... Islam does not need geography ...

it only need *stupid* minds like Muslims have and Islam lives ... haha

"Muslims live in UK " ... wow ...lol ... talk about needing help!!!!

I guess Muslim stupidity cant help but to show it self in here ...

All .....to witness and see .... lol
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FinelivIng56
written by Muslim and proud , March 13, 2012
You need help with your English as well as help to let go of Islam - your situation is sad and pathetic.

"When I said Islam * lives *.. I mean Islam lives as a disease in the * hearts and minds of Muslims * ... Islam does not need geography ... "

Muslims live in the UK - bodies are not dropping like flies - Muslims live in China....no bodies dropping like flies......Muslims live in Canada.....no bodies dropping like flies......hopefully you get the message.
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Revolting immorality of Mohammed
written by fenuccia , March 13, 2012
When I read the original biographies of Mohammed, I am stunned by the gross immorality and toxic narcissism of this evil man. Any Muslim who admires this monster is braindead and can only become as toxic as the immoral scoundrel he worships.
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Reminder
written by Mozambique , March 13, 2012
"Muslims live in the UK - bodies are not dropping like flies - Muslims live in China....no bodies dropping like flies......Muslims live in Canada.....no bodies dropping like flies......hopefully you get the message".

it is simply because muslims cannot act on true teachings of islamic barbarianism due to minority in kuffar countries

Anyways i am still waiting for a reply from islamic loonies

1. Why Mo Kissed Black Stone

2. Why Allah instructed only Mo to prostate/ bow five times a day and not to any other prophet.
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Cursed Moz
written by Muslim and proud , March 13, 2012
"Anyways i am still waiting for a reply from islamic loonies

1. Why Mo Kissed Black Stone

2. Why Allah instructed only Mo to prostate/ bow five times a day and not to any other prophet."

There are no Islamic loonies here you loony

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M&Piousity
written by duh_swami , March 13, 2012
There are no Islamic loonies here you loony

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Well that's not exactly true is it? I can count at least three...LOL LOL LOL
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Duh Serol
written by Muslim and proud , March 13, 2012
Speak when you're spoken to bickhead.
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M&Precious
written by duh_swami , March 13, 2012
Speak when you're spoken to bickhead.

And just how are you going to enforce that order sweetest? There is nothing you can do...must be frustrating ...

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Frustrating?
written by Muslim and proud , March 13, 2012
Don't flatter yourself bickhead.

The best thing to do is ignore you - like most other people do - LOL

Seeya......and I wouldn't wanna beeya.....bickhead

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M&Precocious
written by duh_swami , March 13, 2012
The best thing to do is ignore you - like most other people do - LOL

Then why are you not ignoring me? Do you find me irresistible, young man?
Yes, I can see you do my boy, but you should know, I don;t walk in your path, I am partial to women...But I do appreciate your interest...Maye RZQ or Malman can help you out...

LOL LOL LOL LOL...and hahaha as well sweet boy...
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M&Pious
written by duh_swami , March 13, 2012
By the way sweetest boy, speaking of Mohammad your object of worship...according to hadith after a battle won by Mohammad, he took time out to lecture and preach to a few of the dead enemy before they were buried...Someone asked him why he was talking to the dead...Mohammad said that the dead cannot respond, but they can hear....

So the Question to you sweet boy, is 'do you believe dead people can hear, as Mohammad did
? Do you ever talk to any of them?
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1000% logic
written by SAFFRONblood , March 13, 2012
Is arab allah a universal god that accepts differnt cultures, peoples, faiths as part of the ONE universal truth...OR DOES it mean that EVERYONE ELSE, africans, europeans, Inuits, Alaskans, Chinese, Indians, South American Indians, Aborogines, all have to SUBMIT TO THE ONE ARAB GOD CALLED allah?

ITS as simple as that!

ARABS created islam to control its slave mawali population. They have to adhere to arab sharia law, arab food rules, arab wedding rules, arab dress and they have to BOW DOWN AND FACE ARABS!. Arabs themselves class non arab muslims as SLAVE CONVERTS whos purpose is to serve ARABS ISLAM and ALLAH.

In islam they offer women in heaven, not 72 or whatever, but women, big breasted, light skinned women, that will indulge in sex with any man who desires it. So what is the morality within islam?...To cover women up on earth, to stop lust or rape, even when its the MEN that rape and lust, yet in heaven a SEX ORGY IS given to those muslims who served arab islam!!....So what morality is taken in islam, where they do not address morality within but overlook it to suggest that women, girls of 5yrs of age, need to be covered to stop rape from men. THIS is the extent of an illogical system of control, created by ARABS to create slave mawali populations.


What muslims try to do is add 21ct century moralty and place it back onto islamic texts...ARABS islam makes it very very clear, THE WHOLE WORLD HAS TO BOW DOWN TO ARABS ALLAH....in which arabs control god and the followers, to commit acts of violence, greed, lust, plunder, conversion as ACTS OF FAITH.


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Just google *Islam In UK*
written by fineliving56 , March 13, 2012
And see the foot print or more like violent print of Muslims in it ...

violence ... demonstrations calling to kill non Muslims ... threats ... killing Muslim gays ... forced convergence ... forced miner marriages....call to dominate in streets.

Muslims mixing with people of England peaceful, failed measurably.... it hit the news every where ...

Muslims ... please go where you are wanted ... the west dpes not want you ... they are sick of you and your sickness called Islam ... No one is stopping you from leaving ..

Do not let the door hit you, in your way out ..... Saudi Arabia in desperate need for you guys ...
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Fineliving56
written by Muslim and proud , March 13, 2012
"Do not let the door hit you, in your way out ..... Saudi Arabia in desperate need for you guys ..."

IN your way out????

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You sound like racist bigot by the way...
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M&Preciously Pious...
written by duh_swami , March 13, 2012
You sound like racist bigot by the way...

The racist bigots are Allah and Mohammad, An Arabic god, an Arabic messenger, an Arabic book, written in Arabia for Arabs...But a female Jewish Archangel named Gabriel told Mohammad all about it LOL LOL LOL......

Mohammad called blacks raisin heads, insulted the features of Turks and declared that Arabs were the best looking with the best hair...Lice filled hair as we find out later...LOL LOL LOL...

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Yup Muslims..
written by dead or alive , March 13, 2012
time for ya all to wipe your behinds with tumble weed.
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racist bigot ... me ... naaa
written by fineliving56 , March 13, 2012
Far from it ..I am an emigrate my self after all ... the difference is I respect the laws where I am a life time guest and I fallow them .... I raised my family that way ... This country welcomed me with hardly any restrictions and I pay it back by doing what this country asks me to do which to respect its laws and go by them and it's regulations and not force my own laws that I might have brought with me ... this is integration ..

Muslims in UK are not doing that... they actually want to build a mosque in The middle of Buckingham Palace chanting that in streets of London ... what a show of disrespect and ignorance of ones place.

Muslims do that in every country they live in ... look what they did to India ...

Muslims in all, do not integrate ever ... they try to create Muslim city within a city ... try to change law little by little .... introducing shariah here and there ... using all kind of tricks ... and the evidence we are reading about every day .

When I said to leave and go to Saudi where the heart of Islam called home,I said it becouse you are a Muslim and you might feel more comfortable living in Islamic AIR all around you.. where is the racisem ?

Either you Muslims fallow the roles of the country you are guests in or you go were you feel more at home ... make sense ?
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Fineliving
written by rzq , March 13, 2012
Don't worry about the uk. We are all good. We don't need bigots like you.
Have you ever been anywhere aside from yank land and Syria?
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Fineliving
written by rzq , March 13, 2012
Thats taking the piss! An immigrant telling immigrants how to live. That's hilarious!
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Fineliving56
written by Muslim and proud , March 13, 2012
"Either you Muslims fallow the roles of the country you are guests in or you go were you feel more at home ... make sense ? "

Which ROLES would you like us to follow?

Lol
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Addendum
written by Muslim and proud , March 13, 2012
Here is some free advice fineliving....

Before you add a comment, check to make sure it makes sense. This way, you are less likely make a fool of yourself ;-)
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@mental Midget Muslim Bros,
written by dead or alive , March 13, 2012
Fineliving56 has more common sense in her little right finger than all Muslim bros on this site combined.
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Muslim and Muslim
written by fineliving56 , March 13, 2012
That is OK ... keep your advice to your self ...

A Role Muslim play to fool Kufirs ....

A rule Muslims have to fallow when choose to live in a country that Is not Islamic

it works ... haha

BTW

How is your Arabic ... the Holy languish of your Quran ... do you know anything about it...

care to take a first grad test ? ... lol
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Habibi Mulatto Pisslim and Arz at Rsqz
written by Mozlem , March 13, 2012
What dont you make Shia Mosqz in Egypt
Why dont you ask Saudi Barbari to allow Ahmadis into Saudi and to Mecca.

Some Pisslims are less Pisslims then others I think.
Fine is right in saying Pisslims love bloodbath prime example Porkistan.
I await your whimpers and sniffles. LOL (lot of love) PBUM (peace be upon me)
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RZQ sweet boy
written by duh_swami , March 13, 2012
We don't need bigots like you.

Now, now sweet man...No need for name calling...You know your big bro Malman disapproves of that...
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Fineliving
written by rzq , March 13, 2012
"fool the kuffar" not kufirs
Kafir-singular, kuffar-plural
Do you think the kuffar are that stupid that they are likely to be fooled?
They have been the masters of the Arabs for the last 100 years!

Lughatul Quran is ok! What are you stuck on, maybe I can help!
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Oh that's nice
written by rzq , March 13, 2012
Little kafir boys step out for their mommy!
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To Admin,
written by dead or alive , March 13, 2012
I caught rzq spaming.
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Fineliving & Cursed Mozlem
written by Muslim and proud , March 14, 2012
"How is your Arabic ... the Holy languish of your Quran ... do you know anything about it"

It is fine - الحمد لله

اشكركم علي طرح - انت قذر الكفار

Cursed Mozlem - Grow up, if you can
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the lie
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , March 14, 2012
Then lie

You know I have been trying to assess you but don't really know where to place you because your arguement does't seem to make sense to at times.

You appear like the type that blow themselves up with suicide bombs at the least provocation.

See my last post to you in this thread, again said

"Matthew 15(9) Uselessly do they worship Me(jesus), for they teach as doctrines the commands of men. (paul doctrines) eat pig not circumsition.they not worship Allah. "

Are you saying that worshipping Jesus as Lord and Saviour is Paul's teaching? which came up as the tradition of men?

I had enough of people like you here who think that the Trinity of the Bible is Pauline doctrine and the disciples who wrote the New Testament. But is that True? Ok let assume that New Testament which was written by the disciples of Jesus were biased to in lifting Jesus to the status of a God, what of the Testimony of the Jewish Scriptures which you said they killed Jesus because Jesus was not their God?
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written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , March 14, 2012
Now let me give a few scriptures from the Jews of their expected Messiah of which Jesus fulfilled to the later and leave you to Judge whether Jesus indeed is God in the form of Man or not. Remember these are prophesies years before Jesus actually came


Dan 9:25-26 “25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks…. 26 And after three score and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; ..”

Mat 1:23 “Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.” Isaiah 7:14

Isaiah 9:6 “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”

Isaiah 53:6-7 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned everyone to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all 7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth…….

10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, 11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities……12… because he hath poured out his soul unto death:

This was not Paul preaching. But Prophet Daniel and Isaiah 500 years before it happened Can you see where you are wrong? You better repent.
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RZQ sweet boy
written by duh_swami , March 14, 2012
Don't worry about the uk. We are all good.

Not all of you deluded submitter's are 'good'...You have invaded the UK, not because the people wanted you there, but because liberal and leftist idiots are in charge...You are not OK in UK or Yorkshire...You are crusader invaders,and should be treated as such...If you Muslim invaders were really were 'good', everyone would love you and the hated EDL would not exist...
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Yes ... I thought so ... sorry Muslim ... your arabic is sick not fine
written by fineliving56 , March 14, 2012
Now why did I know you would use computer instance translation ... lol

I knew you know near to nothing in Arabic ... when you used Wrongly ... La hawla wala quwata illa bi Allah ... and I post it to you the right way of use it and you ignored it ...

I hope you now, how to use that phrase from now on.

Now let me tell you how many mistakes in your Arabic you wrote to me .. pay attention ...

you said it this way : I thank you [All ] On me offer _ you filthy [ man ] The Al kuffar .... lol ...

ask someone who really know Arabic and he or she would tell you how wrong you are .

You should have said : I thank you [ single women] for that offer _ You woman] are the most filthiest of all Kuffars .

even a first grader would have known that ... lol

verbs and nouns change in Arabic when refereed to female comparing to male or singular to plural ... and so on ...

Free lessen for you Muslim ...

Thank you for women in Arabic is Ashkoriki ...

you said, thank you for many people which is Ashkorokom ... do you see the difference ...

That all for .....now run ... time to go to school

BTW

Ana aftaker kawni ana kafirah ... al ansan al qazer howa alzi ytakalem bihathih al tareeqa ma'a al nissa'a ... Laysa honak ay mofaja'ah ... Al qazer huwa al zay yosadiq bi kitab Al qazer Al Quran .

and BTW .... That was a classical Arabic like Quran's Arabic ... ^ ^





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written by fineliving56 , March 14, 2012
Mistakes ..

instant not instance ...

and

I hope now you know ... left the word Know
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Fineliving
written by duh_swami , March 14, 2012
It's interesting how Muslims claim that the only real way to understand the Quran is by Arabic...But if that is a fact, then Muslims who do not read or speak Arabic, are getting their Islam from another language translation (English), which is wrong or incomplete...How then are they in any position to adequately defend Islam, when they are getting their knowledge from a fraud? How can a fraud be the word of Allah? Also, why is it that many people who do speak, read and write Arabic, also have the idea that Islam is an evil ideology?
I don't think our Muslim friends posting here can adequately answer that...
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Moz
written by then lie , March 14, 2012
Mozambique , March 13, 2012

Anyways i am still waiting for a reply from islamic loonies

1. Why Mo Kissed Black Stone

2. Why Allah instructed only Mo to prostate/ bow five times a day and not to any other prophet.
.....1. kiss not means worship.its only follow prophet Muhammad.2. follow Allah instructed we will save.
Allah is the king of people, He is create all things.all prophet worship Allah.10) This is My covenant(Allah), which you shall keep, between Me and you(Abraham/Ibrahim) and your posterity after you: Every male among you hall be circumcised
127. And when Abraham and Ishmael were raising the foundations of the House, (Abraham/Ibrahim prayed): OurLord!(Allah) Accept from us (this duty). Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Nearer, the Knower.
133. Or were ye present when death came to Jacob, when he said unto his sons: What will ye worship after me? They said: We shall worship thy God(Allah), the God of thy fathers, Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac, One God, and unto Him we have surrendered.
38:30. And We bestowed on David, Solomon. How excellent a slave! Lo! he was ever turning in repentance (toward Allah).
4:163. Lo! We (Allah)inspire thee as We inspired Noah and the prophets after him, as We inspired Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and Jesus and Job and Jonah and Aaron and Solomon, and as we imparted unto David the Psalms;
they all prophet worship Allah.not to another god.I choice this. i choice Quran.bible ???expired!
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Then lie my dear friend
written by duh_swami , March 14, 2012
Allah is the king of people...

But 'then lie', I thought Allah was 'God'...How can Allah be a King? Does Allah ever declare himself a King in Quran? If there is a King, there is also princes, princesses and knaves...There is usually a court jester...was that Mohammad?

Every male among you shall be circumcised

I don't doubt that Allah ordered that, but why do you think these gods have such an interest in human private parts? Why is attacking your privates with a knife appealing to Allah? Can you explain this strange facination 'then lie'?
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then lie
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , March 14, 2012
"they all prophet worship Allah.not to another god.I choice this. i choice Quran.bible ???expired!"

who told you that all prophet worship Allah?

what you have been quoting for us here is what is referred to as circular reference using the Quran to justify the Quran.

Can you use the Judeo-Christian scriptures to justify kaaba worship, Arab prophet, Mecca, Medina, Arabia, Abraham visit to Mecca, or Kaaba.
You are always quote the above reference which are fool of Jewish prophets why cannot quote references with Arab prophets. Remember Islam hate the Jews with an eternal hatred yet Mohammed use the names of their prophets to claim legitimacy of his hallucination.

Man you are really deceived to believe all those garbage as scriptures and you are proud to even quote them here. You are not afraid to quote them in this knowledgeable and civilized site where your friends like RZQ and M&P will dare not do that.
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Duh Swami
written by fineliving56 , March 14, 2012
it is very interesting .. as you said

Non Arab Muslims always rave about Arabic and how it is the perfect and the only languish to use, in bringing down Quran ... and they do not know much about to save their lives but still they insist that they understand it perfectly .... I guess It is the perfect time to use the phrase '' ignorance is bliss "?! except it is not when it come to the ignorance of Islam and what is really all about .. it make them Muslim machines.

they only know exact meanings of every day Islamic words that they heard from family ... like ....Insha' allh ... and the most hated tow words in the world Allaho Akbar ... after it has been repeated all over the intent while Muslims slicing through the necks of other Muslims.

That is why my Pakistani friend was in shock when I told her about the true meanings of what she used to repeat day in and day out.

Your other observation is to hard for the Muslim brothers to comprehend ..

please help them when they get stuck ...
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Mr Pastor
written by Muslim & Proud , March 14, 2012
"If these three Gods hear and answer my prayers and yours does not of what importance is your Allah"

http://www.islam-watch.org/ind...&Itemid=58

The above are your own words and confirm that you are a polythiest who prays to THREE GODS.......

Well done Mr Pasta for exposing yourself - lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol
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then lie
written by Mozambique , March 14, 2012

you are hopeless this is why Pastor is frustrated with you

my question is clrear

1. Why Mo kissed the blackstone and why is this stone sacred for muslims?

i am not using word worship

2. Why allah instructed only Mo to PROSTRATE/ BOW five times a day and not to other prophets?

i am not using word pray
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Moz
written by malem , March 14, 2012
You asked 2. Why allah instructed only Mo to PROSTRATE/ BOW five times a day and not to other prophets?
He never did in the Quran, if you find where he says Five Times please post.
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Doctor sweet Doctor
written by duh_swami , March 14, 2012
He never did in the Quran, if you find where he says Five Times please post.

Then how do you know to pray five times a day? If you did not get that direction from Quran, where did you get it?
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Malem
written by Mozambique , March 14, 2012
you are right Mo was never following any allah/god. You proved my point. thank you

Mo degraded himself by including prostation/ bowing in his prayers what god never demanded from his real prophets.
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Moz
written by Muslim and proud , March 14, 2012
Islam = Holy Qur'an & Hadith

5 times a day - no more and mo less.
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M&P
written by Mozambique , March 14, 2012

thank you too for proving my point. you believe many things Mo fabricated (hadith) himself without asking his allah...i believe the whole islam is his fabrication.
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Moz
written by Muslim & Proud , March 14, 2012
"thank you too for proving my point. you believe many things Mo fabricated (hadith) himself without asking his allah...i believe the whole islam is his fabrication."

To you be your belief.......and to me be mine.
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M&Present
written by duh_swami , March 14, 2012
Islam = Holy Qur'an & Hadith

5 times a day - no more and mo less.

But Malman does not accept hadith as valid...How can you and he both be right?

Maybe Malman can clear this up...How about it Doctor sweet?
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Quran
written by Malem , March 14, 2012
The Quran never states 5 times and in fact if read properly you can discern it is 3 times the three salat in the Quran, they are: Fajr (dawn), Wusta (middle) and Esha (night), period. "Then is it other than Allah I should seek as judge while it is He who has revealed to you the Book explained in detail?" And those to whom We gave the Scripture know that it is sent down from your Lord in truth, so never be among the doubters." Or in simple terms the Quran is it.
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Malem
written by Muslim and proud , March 14, 2012
Salaam Bro,

I can understand why you say what you say - you are a Quranist, which I respect.

The Muslim world follows te Holy Qur'an and Hadith and if I had enough time, I would help you understand why it is 5 and not 3. In any case, 3 is better than zero.

Please confirm my assumption - are you a Quranist / Submitter?
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Doctor Malmanb sweet
written by duh_swami , March 14, 2012
Sweetest Doctor...So why do you pray 5 times a day? Or do you? What is your advice to your brothers who get 5 times a day from hadith? How can they be true to Quran and hadith at the same time? Are you going to allow them to continue in delusion? I thought you were here to clear up misperceptions...

'We gave the Scripture know that it is sent down from your Lord'

Where did the Lord send the scripture down from? Is there an up somewhere we don't know about? Which way is up? If I look up will I see the Lord? I tried that once and all I got was a sore neck...I did see some shooting stars targeting jinn but not one got hit...
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M&Pious
written by duh_swami , March 14, 2012
The Muslim world follows te Holy Qur'an and Hadith and if I had enough time, I would help you understand why it is 5 and not 3.

So my boy, you would explain things to the illustrious Doctor Malman, but you do not have enough time...Why don't you take some time to help out your brother?...You spend a lot of time here bantering with Clement, myself and others...Surely you can divert a few of your precious moments to a brother...I'm sure he would appreciate that...
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Dumbo
written by Muslim and proud , March 14, 2012
"Which way is up?"

Somebody help Duh dumbo out and explain?

Lol
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M&Presentable
written by duh_swami , March 14, 2012
Somebody help Duh dumbo out and explain?

Where is your offer to help out your brother Malman? Are you getting cold feet now?

Which way is up, my boy depends on where on the planet you are standing...If people in Antarctica, look up, they are looking in the opposite direction than someone looking up from the Arctic...So it would seem every way is up...So exactly where in all the ups did the Lord send the scripture down from? Surely you know the answer to that dear boy...Can it be seen with a telescope?
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Malam is right ...
written by fineliving56 , March 14, 2012
I know it sounds strange... me agreeing with a malam ... but he is right in saying Qur'an only describes 3 salats and not more ... hadeeth describes the five salat not Quran ...that is why Most Muslims believe in hadeeth and Quran because for them to say hadeeth is lies ...that will wipe out half the Islamic tradition that they have been practicing all their lives .

This split personality of Islam is the worst problem working against them .. they cant agree on anything if there live depended on it ...

Oh yaa .... it does ... doesn't ?
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Fineliving
written by duh_swami , March 14, 2012
If Malman prays more than three times a day, he is not being faithful to Quran...That's why I asked him about it...But if he is in error, I don't expect him to admit it...
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Malem
written by dead or alive , March 14, 2012
m&p wants to know if you are a Quranist?
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OT
written by fineliving56 , March 14, 2012
I just got the chilling knews from my family in Syria ... the Army have invaded the city of Edleb where the Al thowar took over for a while now the army went in and they are killing any thing that moves ... the description we got makes all the killing already happened so far feel like child play

150,000 Syrian has fled Syria so far ... they Jorden have 25,000 people by it self ... nothing knew in Muslim country ....huh

This Animals they call them selves m &*%$m ... make me want to leave Islam all over ....again ... again ... again ...

Where is the end ? .... where is the enddddddddddddddddd
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Fineliving
written by Muslim and proud , March 14, 2012
"This Animals they call them selves m &*%$m ... make me want to leave Islam all over ....again ... again ... again ... "

Sad and pathetic - again.......again........again

It almost sounds like a song fineliving - are you an artist by any chance?
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M&prosthetic
written by duh_swami , March 14, 2012
It almost sounds like a song fineliving - are you an artist by any chance?

Are you a human by any chance?
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fineliving56
written by duh_swami , March 14, 2012
Hopefully your family will be able to find a safe place if that is possible,,,
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Fineliving tunes
written by Muslim and proud , March 14, 2012
"This Animals they call them selves m &*%$m ... make me want to leave Islam all over ....again ... again ... again ...

Where is the end ? .... where is the enddddddddddddddddd"

Again and again and again.........agaiiiiinnnnnnnnnnn....la la la
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M&Priapus
written by duh_swami , March 14, 2012
My dear child, is this the behavior we can expect from one of Allah's finest? Are you the best Islam has to offer? I'm terribly sorry, but either Allah is a jerk off or you are...Which is it?
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Habibi - Malman slips into his own entrapment
written by Mozlem , March 14, 2012
In one the posts Malmap prayed more then 5 times a day and now he loses his brain to pray 3 times.
Habibi Mulatto Pisslim running around as a headless chicken to bring the Hadith for dick peeling and 5 prayers a day for they both are not in Quoran. LoL (lots of Love), PBUM (Peace be upon me).
In case Mulatto does not get his name http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulatto here is the enligtenment.
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M&P
written by Malem , March 14, 2012
Brother I am a pure Quranist, 3days is what is outline in the Quran, however sometimes I may pray 4,5,6 times a day. It depends on my mood and my need for guidance. The rest of the posters after you, with the exception of Fineliving who always seems to have composure, all the others want to marginalize the topic and revert to bullying tactics, calling names, using vulgarities etc. Very typical when an immature person is losing a discussion.

Fineliving i can tell you that in mashta many of my friends have gone and done so safely just an fyi in case your family is mobile and looking.

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Malem
written by Mozambique , March 14, 2012

Do you think MP is bullying Fineliving?

and thanks for confirming again that Mo misguided muslims for 5 prayers a day and also including prostation/ bowing to degrade humanity to the lowest that god never demanded.
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muddled gods
written by anders , March 15, 2012
Allah wanted 50 prayers day so why 5-? Becasue Mohammad negotiated with Allah and Mohammad won - who developed Islam indeed!
Now why couldn't Allah redeem his purported status as the deity and reveal in the Quran that there were to be 5 prayers a day? After all Allah boasted his revelation was clear!
A muddled god is not worthy of worship. He is to be pitied and ignored
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Malem
written by Muslim and proud , March 15, 2012
Salaam

Thank you for confirming you are pure Quranist.

Who is your Messenger (I.e. Holy Qur'an says 'obey Allah and his Messenger')?

Thanks.
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to Mozambique
written by Yibel , March 15, 2012
I don't know what Malem thinks of M&P's bullying Fineliving, but I for one am really tired of it. M&P has contributed very little to any discussions on this site other than his stock response of many "YAWNS" and "HaHaHas" and "LOLs" and His Barking. But M&P's comments to Fineliving have been especially cutting and offtimes rude.

I also take exception to Malem's remark that "ALL the others want to marginalize the topic and revert to bullying tactics, calling names, using vulgarities etc." This is pure hokum on his part. (capitals are mine).

About the 5 daily prayer times:
Qur'an 17:80 "Recite your prayers at (1) sunset, (2) at nightfall, (3) at dawn; the dawn prayer has its witnesses. Pray during the night as well; an additional duty, for the fulfillment of which your Lord (Ba'al) may exalt you to an honorable station."

Q. 50:40 Bear then with what they say. Give glory to your Lord (Ba'al) before (1) sunrise and before (2) sunset. Praise Him in the (3) night, and make the additional prostrations." NOTE: the verse says ADDITIONAL PROSTRATIONS!!!

The five daily prayers are based on the story of Muhammed's Ascension to heaven known as "Miraj", or "Stairway to Heaven" or The Night Journey (Qur'an 17:1-2).

In the year 621, at the age of 51 years old, Muhammad dreamed that he flew on a magical Winged-Horse of Fire, which he called Burak, the Horse of Ibrahim, the "Thunder-Lightning". Muhammad and Buraq flew to a Holy Temple in Heaven, where Muhammed met with many of the horse's previous riders... Adam, Ibrahim, Nuh, Idris, Musa, Isaac, Isa and a few others who told him : " We salute you, you the first and the last, Oh Gatherer of men" ...and Jibril added : "We salute you, Oh you the first, because you will be the first person who, on Resurrection Day, will come out of his grave; and the last, because you are the Seal and the last prophet. You are a gatherer of men in the meaning that it belongs to you to gather everyone for the resurrection and as such the whole community will resurrect." In this dream, Muhammad was instructed by Allah to tell his followers that they were to offer prayers 50 times per day. However, at the urging of Musa, Muhammad returns to Allah and it was eventually reduced to 10 times, and then 5 times per day as this was the destiny of Muhammad and his people. Buraq then transported Muhammad back to Makkah. The full version of this most memorable moment has been preserved in "The Bokhari" (Vol.15, p.3615) one of the Holy Islamic Scriptures.
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Yibel
written by Muslim and proud , March 15, 2012
"I don't know what Malem thinks of M&P's bullying Fineliving, but I for one am really tired of it. M&P has contributed very little to any discussions on this site other than his stock response of many "YAWNS" and "HaHaHas" and "LOLs"....."

Contributed "very little"? You are talking rubbish.....
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Malem v P&M
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , March 15, 2012
Now between the two of you who is kufr. The Quranist verses the Hadithist.

To me the Hadiths are more to be trusted than the Quran. At least the Hadiths are the testimonies of eye witnesses but Quran is imagination of one man Mohammed.

My only worry with those who believe in the sunah of the prophet is that can they truly do all that their prophet did?

I think M&P should be able to answer the question.

I am sure Malem doesn’t want to respect the Hadiths because of some despicable things their prophet was reported to have done which was suppose to be sunah an example to follow of which if one truly want to follow in this civilized world he will be branded something else if not spend the rest of the life in prison

Already a few that really want to follow the sunnah of the prophet are called terrorist, Al-Qaida, Boko Haram etc. Malem is a trained Doctor an educated man he does not want to be involved in pedophilia like his prophet because he knows that is child abuse or be engaged in Polygamy practices because he knows how he would feel if his wife should share him with any other man. He does not want to lose his humanity completely for Islam.

Any way let Malem answer for himself whether he actually believe the Quran than says he should obey his prophet and do as the prophet.

At least let the hit shift from the Pastor for now let hear the two strange bedfellows settle their dilemma
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Mr Pastor
written by Muslim and proud , March 15, 2012
Please continue to pray to your 3 Gods and leave me and Malem to it.
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Yibel
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , March 15, 2012
Instead of this religion of Ishmael to honor and respect the people of Moses rather the violent spirit of Ishmael would not allow them. They want to wipe them out of world to last.
If Moses had not intervened and the prayers reduced to 5, imaging even 10 time prostrating ass ups daily. Already the 5 time’s daily thing has made Muslims the most unproductive human on this planet earth with the most valuable of their time being wasted in ritual bowing down to Allah (The big idol of kaaba) .

By the time you add these wasted time to the 50% of their working population(Women) being locked in homes and rendered useless except for breeding children (additional mouth for eating) without additional income, you can understand why Islamic countries lead in the Poor nation index. Islam is a curse to any nation, any people, any day and any time.

Of course you know this imaginary night journey was meant to give the prophet some out of world experience and place him above the Jewish prophets and to give divine sanction to his brand of Idol worship.
It is our prayers that soon and very soon majority will get their eyes opened to the truth and be set free

Cheers
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Mr Pastor
written by Muslim and proud , March 15, 2012
"Already the 5 time’s daily thing has made Muslims the most unproductive human on this planet earth"

Yet you love all Muslims. Are you in the habit of criticising people you love?

Maybe you should pray to your 3 Gods - and pray that you are not bitter about things.

"It is our prayers that soon and very soon majority will get their eyes opened to the truth and be set free"

Maybe your 3 Gods might answer your prayers....maybe not.

Cheers
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M&P
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , March 15, 2012
Are you jealous of my 3Gods?

You should blame Mohammed who killed Allah's 3 little daughters ( Alat ,Alauza and Manat) whom he had earlier praised that they were the best intercessors and intermediaries, but he later put them to the Sword just as did to other 361 idols leaving only one Blackstone as the backbone of his brand of monotheism

But come to think of it whether one Idol of many idols is an idol not an idol? And that is what you call Monotheism accounting Mohammed.
In case you don’t know, Islam has its brand of Trinity too.
Allah, Mohammed, and the Blackstone.
Now you are contesting with Malan that he cannot believe in Allah without believing in Mohammed. And can you be a true Muslim without praying toward the Blackstone in Kaaba?

Well, if you cannot consider these three as 3Allahs then consider the Christian trinity of the father, the Son and the Holy Ghost as one, Just as Allah, Mohammed and kaaba are one and the same.
He who obeys Mohammed obeys Allah is popular quotation from your scriptures.

Check it up.
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Yibel
written by Malem , March 15, 2012
[17:78] You shall observe the Contact Prayer (Salat) when the sun declines from its highest point at noon, as it moves towards sunset. You shall also observe (the recitation of) the Quran at dawn. (Reciting) the Quran at dawn is witnessed.
[2:238] You shall consistently observe the Contact Prayers, especially the middle prayer, and devote yourselves totally to GOD.

However it is totally irrelevant in terms of if one chooses to pray 3 or 10 times per day, the goal is to submit to Allah and praise him for all he is
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Mr Pastor
written by Muslim and proud , March 15, 2012
"Are you jealous of my 3Gods?"

Not in the slightest.

Thanks for confirming once again that you are a polytheist.

Cheers
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Addendum
written by Muslim and proud , March 15, 2012
"He who obeys Mohammed obeys Allah is popular quotation from your scriptures."

The CEO of a business makes a decision. Everyone obeys his/her decision. as an employee, I obey my line manager - but ultimately I am obeying the CEO.

There is still only one CEO.

Cheers.
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M&P
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , March 15, 2012

"The CEO of a business makes a decision. Everyone obeys his/her decision. as an employee, I obey my line manager - but ultimately I am obeying the CEO"

That is ok but why do you think this analogy does not apply to Christian concept of Trinity if the three are all serving the same purpose. If the three cannot be three chief executives why do you say they three in one concept are 3 Gods?

There you are condeming yourself
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>>Muslim and proud
written by san , March 15, 2012
Take a deep breadth in and out.Take another deep breadth in and out.
Just sit on and relaxed. Hold both palms on thigh...sit in PADAMASANA or SUKHASANA(The pose on which u usually prayer on FRIDAY).
Close your eyes....
Take a deep breadth IN and OUT....Do it now two times.

Now try to watch your thoughts continuously.Just observe your thoughts.Leave it whether it is wrong or right.Whatever the thoughts are coming accept as it is.
Try to concentrate on middle of your head.

Do it.....It will help u out to ease yourself.....

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written by then lie , March 15, 2012
Allah say in the Quran Surah 114. Al-Nas
1. Say: I seek refuge in Allah the Lord of mankind,
2. Allah The King of mankind,
3. Allah The God of mankind
and Allah say about Him Surah 112. Al-Ikhlas
1. Say: He is Allah, the One!
2. Allah, the eternally Besought of all!
3. He begetteth not nor was begotten.
4. And there is none comparable unto Him.
this is so clear for the people use his mind.be better.open Quran.
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Mr Pastor
written by Muslim and proud , March 15, 2012
"That is ok but why do you think this analogy does not apply to Christian concept of Trinity if the three are all serving the same purpose. If the three cannot be three chief executives why do you say they three in one concept are 3 Gods?"

There you go again - THREE GODS.

Do you know what the difference is between ONE GOD and THREE GODS?? lol

You have already admitted Mr Pasta that you pray to three gods
- who answer your prayers (apparently).

Ps. No one else can claim to be the CEO.....there is ONLY one.

San - get a grip of yourself.....
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Clement
written by Malem , March 15, 2012
Your Comments
1)
If Moses had not intervened and the prayers reduced to 5, imaging even 10 time prostrating ass ups daily. Already the 5 time’s daily thing has made Muslims the most unproductive human on this planet earth with the most valuable of their time being wasted in ritual bowing down to Allah (The big idol of kaaba) .

So a 5 minute Prayer is is making people unproductive? Not those who are taking 10 smoking breaks or the Unions who force 2 breaks plus lunch on people? Seems that might be a bit more time consuming eh? What about certain religions who must depart before sunset on certain days...mmm does that not eat into the workday? What about countries that have 6-8 weeks vacation per year? What about just lazy works. Your argument is filled with more holes than swiss cheese.

2) By the time you add these wasted time to the 50% of their working population(Women) being locked in homes and rendered useless except for breeding children (additional mouth for eating) without additional income, you can understand why Islamic countries lead in the Poor nation index. Islam is a curse to any nation, any people, any day and any time.

Where does it say in the Quran you have to lock women indoors and that they cannot work? Someone should have told my wives as both work 50+ hours per week at their jobs. In addition in the west up until the 1960's it was very prevalent to have the woman stay at home and raise the kids, while men worked. Last time I checked the 40's thru the 60's were the most productive growth times in the Wests history. So you might want to look beyond the faleshoods you are taking for truths before trying to make an argument

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M&P
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , March 15, 2012
"You have already admitted Mr Pasta that you pray to three gods
- who answer your prayers (apparently).

You know I am trying to see if I can come down and reason withing the confirn of your small brain.

Anyone with brain reading my post on this subject knows my stand point only people like will read 3Gods as literal Gods in my post.

My friend follow the new article that is currently posted and see if you can learn anything at all about Christianity.

And stop fooling yourself with this 3Gods thing. When you cannot even defend your Islamic Trinity Is it Christian Trinity that you should know?
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written by san , March 15, 2012
>>San - get a grip of yourself.....

I already.....

Did u practice the mentioned steps before writing....I promise that u will start journey inward....
that is .... the grip of yourself.....


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written by san , March 15, 2012
>>>Do you know what the difference is between ONE GOD and THREE GODS?? lol

there is an existence of ONE Whenever there is a TWO...or More than two......

If u r saying ONE means there must be two or three or four....and may be countless.....

SO donot obsessed with the numbers......
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Mr Pastor
written by Muslim and proud , March 15, 2012
Let me remind you what you said:

"I pray to 3 Gods who answer my prayers"

You insist on digging yourself into a deeper hole Mr Pasta - it dies not make a blind bit of difference to - me......you keep digging
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written by san , March 15, 2012
>>"I pray to 3 Gods who answer my prayers"
The following are the probable ist of GODS

1. CONCEOUS STATE
2. SUPERCONCEOUS state
3. COSMIC conceous STATE

Now if u have MIND/GOD then u will probably fall into these state.

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San
written by Muslim and proud , March 15, 2012
"3 Gods in a state"

Is quite different to

"One God in three states"

Mr Pasta prays to 3 Gods. He is a polytheist.

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written by san , March 15, 2012
>>One God in three states

but u ignore the word ....STATE......

Again try to catch yourself or say grip ...

Again i am saying the EXISTENCE OF ONE Is because of SECOND OR THIRD OR FOURTH OR....SO ON.....

I hope u r getting ......if not ...then please apply the method which i have explained to u.....
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..STATE...
written by san , March 15, 2012
which is common.....
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San
written by Muslim and proud , March 15, 2012
"Again i am saying the EXISTENCE OF ONE Is because of SECOND OR THIRD OR FOURTH OR....SO ON..... "

Lol

So you end up with many Gods - I.e plural and not singular - which equals more than one - which equals polytheism

Thanks for clearing it up
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written by san , March 15, 2012
>>So you end up with many Gods - I.e plural and not singular
Oh .....where r u ...

I am saying existence of SINGULAR because of PLURAL....

Please try to understand the sentence.....Or feel it...with the method which i have explained to u...
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San
written by Muslim and proud , March 15, 2012
"I am saying existence of SINGULAR because of PLURAL.... "

You insist on digging further.....

Here is the sad state of affairs the Pastor is in:

He prays to 3 Gods, who answer his prayers.

3 =More than 1

That is the long an short of it. You can put whatever spin on this you want - the fact remains, he PRAYS TO 3 GODS

End of
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written by duh_swami , March 15, 2012
Allah is a spook, worshipping him is spooky...Praying 3-100 times a day to a spook is really spooky...Islam is the Religion of Spook, and those who worship Allah, spooksters...
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written by san , March 15, 2012
>>3 =More than 1
Haaa....haaa......

3 is more than 1.
To become more than 1, 3 is required...............

I hope u r getting it or not....


>>You insist on digging further.....

How....
U r putting same number game.....I am just answering u r number theory...If it is ONE OR TWO OR THREE OR FOUR.....These are number...or numbers...right my dear friend.

>>Here is the sad state of affairs the Pastor is in..

But u seems to be not in present state....r u.....leave it about in sad state/happy state/one state/many state/conceous state/unconceous state/superconceous state/cosmic state.

Please clear ur number or numbers .....


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San
written by Muslim and proud , March 15, 2012
"To become more than 1, 3 is required..............."

Lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

In Monotheism only ONE is required.

More than 1 is totally irrelevant and out of the equation.

I hope you are getting it now.

Monotheism is ALL about 1 - singular - 0 - nothing else.

Cheers
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Malem
written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , March 15, 2012
"So you might want to look beyond the faleshoods you are taking for truths before trying to make an argument "


Let look beyond the falsehood together what make Islamic nations or Muslims generally a lazy sort of people and even those with the Oil wealth at their disposals still ranks high among the poor nations of the world

What is respossible for this? If check on education and Technology they are still the least why is this so ? I thinking it has to do with their demented doctrines as imposed on them by the pirate of Medina 1400 years ago.

Please help out
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written by san , March 15, 2012
>>More than 1 is totally irrelevant and out of the equation

Haaa.......haaa......Here it is ...MORE THAN....there is an existence of 1...because of ...MORE THAN.....
>>Monotheism is ALL about 1 - singular - 0 - nothing else.

Oh this new number...0....is coming out for existence of ....1......

haa...haaa........Please understand the theory of NUMBER....EXISTENCE OF 1 is because of two things now...

1. MORE THAN 1
2. 0

WHAT ELSE MY DEAR any number crunching...Please do more data mining itself....
Probably this is the begining of your .....GRIP......OF YOURSELF.......


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written by Muslim and proud , March 15, 2012
"even those with the Oil wealth at their disposals still ranks high among the poor nations of the world"

You are telling lies Mr Pasta.

www.jamiiforums.com
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written by san , March 15, 2012
>>Muslim and proud

Please clarify the existence of 1 or else i am leaving forum now.I will come tomorrow to ask u about the secret of 1.
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Clement
written by Malem , March 15, 2012
your comment "Muslims generally a lazy sort of people and even those with the Oil wealth at their disposals still ranks high among the poor nations of the world "

So first you are assuming every person who is Muslim is lazy, ok at least I see where your mindset is coming from.
Oil Nations supported by the West are dictatorships of course they are not sharing their wealth with their people, I guess you got me there, mus be a Muslim thing....ooops wait a minute in the West 1% of the population controls the wealth? 20% live at the poverty level or below, 15% are on foodstamps...Look at India...hahaha or China hahah Your argument is so false its funny

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San
written by Muslim and proud , March 15, 2012
Clarification:

Monotheism is ALL about 1 - singular - less than 2 and more than 0 - nothing else.

Hope this helps.
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Mr Pastor
written by Muslim and proud , March 15, 2012
"Muslims generally a lazy sort of people"

But you love them all.

Do you have a habit of criticising people you love?

You are one strange piece if work pasta.
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written by Clement-Islam- Watch Pastor , March 15, 2012
"Oil Nations supported by the West are dictatorships of course they are not sharing their wealth with their people, I guess you got me there, mus be a Muslim thing....ooops wait a minute in the West 1% of the population controls the wealth? 20% live at the poverty level or below, 15% are on foodstamps...Look at India...hahaha or China hahah Your argument is so false its funny"

where are you getting this statistics from? You have tell us how many women go to work in saudi, in yemen, in Iraq, In Iran in Afganistan etc that have income on their own to support the family

see this acticle http://islam-watch.org/SujitDa...rdness.htm


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Sweet Doctor Malman
written by duh_swami , March 15, 2012
of the population controls the wealth? 20% live at the poverty level or below, 15% are on foodstamps...

You forgot to mention that nearly all poor people in America own a car, a television, a stove, an oven, indoor plumbing, and thanks to the $200 computer, many are on the internet...That America is in a financial bind is due to the policies of Prez Obama, a closet Muslim...Unless he pulls some Islamic dirty trick, he will be out in a few months and the economy will improve...



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Haha
written by Malem , March 15, 2012
Yes but you cannot eat a computer or Tv! What is a closet Muslim? The financial crisis has nothing to do with the current president or previous, only a fool would believe so. Try educating yourself on credit swaps, housing bubble, consumer debt bubble then you can get a good view into why it will happen again with your dollar bubble and government debt bubble. The west owes more in payments than it takes in revenue = your broke, period case closed, thanks for playing.
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Malem
written by Muslim and proud , March 15, 2012
Salaam Malem,

Which Messenger do you obey?

Thanks
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Doctor Malman is out of his element
written by duh_swami , March 15, 2012
The administrator ate a perfectly good response to the American policy and economic expert Malman, who has not the slightest idea what he is talking about...So this post is the short form...
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Duh
written by Malem , March 15, 2012
Sure sure sure, blame the admin
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I really do not know what to say to Muslims how laugh at people who are being slaughtered
written by Ifineliving56 , March 15, 2012
I try to fiend some compassion in hearts of Muslims and non Muslim about Muslims who are being sliced open from ear to ear in the land of islam ... men, women and children ...

[ I just heard this morning .. a fresh killing spree targeted poor families who has nothing to do with anything to just teach a lesson for others ... they actually killed them in sacrifice style like sacrificing sheep in Eeed ... I heard the streets of the village could be seen coloerd all red from the amount of Muslim blood spilled ...]

So here I am trying to tell about the children who are sacrificed, I get this from the two Muslims here :

hahahahahahahahahahaha .or lalalalalalalalalal ...blablabla ... or other non sense like that .

but ...

I get this from non Muslims who supposedly by Muslim standard are nothing but *pigs and dogs *...

I get condolences and reassurances and words that only could come from compassionate people who feel sorry for Muslim Innocents who's blood is spilled every day. even when non Muslims are being killed day in and day out ...

non Muslims and Christiane ... I like to say don't ever think that I will ever forget your compassion that you show here ... and I thank you for your good heart ...
you put the Muslims here to shame for your humanity and mercy... you are lucky that you were NOT born in Islam ... because Islam ROB PEOPLES MINDS FROM PURE GOODNESS AND MERCY ... they are deprived of anything good and they proved to me when they laughed at me for posting about the murders in Syria ... they made my post like a song ... how nice of them.

I am ashamed for them about them ... I could not believe that they could reach this level of pure detachments from real feelings that normal people should be feeling when thay hear of spilling of blood of children kids ...

Muslims that post here ...

I like to tell you I actually ... physically got sick and through up after I read your posts to me ... and I showed them to my friend and she asked me to stop posting and reading here and said this ... ' you have lived with Muslims all your life and dont you know them already ... didnt you expected " ....But I said I had hope that some where in their hearts they will remember that they are human first and they should not be so cruel ... but you disappointed me ...

That is nothing new in the land of Islam ... disappointment?...what is that ?

If Muslims lack everything human ... what is disappointment, ...in the scale of Islamic things .
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The Doctor has no license
written by duh_swami , March 15, 2012
Sure sure sure, blame the admin

In America, the buck does not stop with Allah, it stops with the administration, that you don't know that proves your ignorance on the subject...At any rate what I said holds true, you are no kind of authority or expert on America's policies nor finance...You are just blowing smoke dearest Doctor...
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M&P
written by Malem , March 15, 2012
Salaam, my faith is always bound by - No God but God and Obey the words of the Book revealed to him (mohammed).
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Fineliving
written by duh_swami , March 15, 2012
I am ashamed for them about them

They should be ashamed of themselves, but I am sure they are not...Allah has robbed them of their manhood and left only a shell of a human being...There is nothing there to be proud of, only shame...
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Doctor sweetest confesses
written by duh_swami , March 15, 2012
Salaam, my faith is always bound by - No God but God and Obey the words of the Book revealed to him (mohammed).

So beat your wives and watch others lashed in public, glory in amputations and crucifixions, all prescribed by Allah in the book revealed by Mohammad...You have no options other than to obey whenever the subject and penalties are called for...Are you skilled in amputations dearest Doctor?
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Malem
written by Muslim & Proud , March 15, 2012
Salaam and thanks for your reponse

Salaam, my faith is always bound by - No God but God and Obey the words of book revealed to him (mohammed).


The book that you obey (Holy Qur'an) says:

Obey Allah (the exalted) and his Messenger (peace be upon him).

Please be kind enough to confirm which Messenger you obey?

Thanks.
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M&Penetant
written by duh_swami , March 15, 2012
You poor sweet shell of a man, nothing to say about your mirth over Syrians being murdered?

Are you not ashamed sweet boy? Yes of course you will ignore this post, but it is proof of your depavity if you don't redeem yourself...
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Fineliving56
written by Muslim & Proud , March 15, 2012
Do you have any more songs?

You said you fell like you want to leave Islam again..............again............again.............again??

As for Syrian muslims being murdered by the tyrant Assad - I absolutely have sympathy for them - as you said they are "Muslim Innocents" (this is something that your brother Duh Dumb will disagree with because there is no such thing as an innocent muslim).

Again...............again...........again..........lol
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M&pious Your Islam is showing
written by duh_swami , March 15, 2012
(this is something that your brother Duh Dumb will disagree with because there is no such thing as an innocent muslim).

My sweet little boy, did Allah teach you to lie and conduct yourself like a jerk? ...again...again...again...lol...Foolish behavior my smug little boy, simply foolish...

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Duh Dumb
written by Muslim and proud , March 15, 2012
"My sweet little boy, did Allah teach you to lie"

Lest have the truth in that case.

Do feel sorry for the innocent Muslims of Syria?

Yes or No
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M&Perlexed
written by duh_swami , March 15, 2012
Lest have the truth in that case.

Do feel sorry for the innocent Muslims of Syria?

That is incoherent...try again...
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Duh Dumb
written by Muslim & Proud , March 15, 2012
What is so confusing or incoherant dumb?

It is a very simple question......lets see if you have the guts to answer with a Yes or a No

Do you feel sorry for the innocent muslims of Syria?

Yes or No
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M&Precious
written by duh_swami , March 15, 2012
I'm sorry, you already know I don't allow you to structure questions to me, and I ignore your yes or no demands...

I oppose all selfishly motivated killings anywhere they happen, Muslim or otherwise...I oppose war, executions, murders, abortions, animal killings etc...There is such a thing as legitimate self defense, but the word 'legitimate' has to be included...Yes I feel sorry for the people who are subjected to this Syrian brutality...It was not me who was laughing about it...Of course I know that this response go's way over your head...

What is so confusing or incoherant dumb?

Lest have the truth in that case.....Exactly what is the meaning of lest?

Do feel sorry for the innocent Muslims of Syria?...That makes no sense at all, it's incoherent...It would make sense if you said 'Do YOU feel'...

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Duh Dumb
written by Muslim & Proud , March 15, 2012
That took you long enough......

Please stop squirming - I asked a very simple question.

I'm sorry, you already know I don't allow you to structure questions to me, and I ignore your yes or no demands...


There is no need to be sorry - I asked a very very simple question - it's not a demand btw. If you are finding it too difficult to answer - just say so.....

Do feel sorry for the innocent Muslims of Syria?...That makes no sense at all, it's incoherent...It would make sense if you said 'Do YOU feel'...


I think you will find (if you put your glasses on, that I DID in fact say do YOU feel - have a good luck and stop squirming.

It is obvious that you are completely stumped and will most likely continue to squirm......lol

Here is the question again:

Do YOU feel sorry for the innocent muslims of Syria?

Yes Or No
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M&Persistant
written by duh_swami , March 15, 2012
OK cry baby, I have my glasses on now, where is the YOU? Maybe you have been smoking some of that funny Yorkshire tobacco and just imagined it...

Do feel sorry for the innocent Muslims of Syria?

Here is the question again:

I already answered your question sweet redundancy, I'm not going to do it again...
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Duh Dumb
written by Muslim & Proud , March 15, 2012
I already answered your question sweet redundancy, I'm not going to do it again...


You are wrong - you have not answered the question.

What you said was:

Yes I feel sorry for the people who are subjected to this Syrian brutality...


I am asking you:

Do you feel sorry for the innocent MUSLIMS of Syria?

Yes or No
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M&Psweet
written by duh_swami , March 15, 2012
Sweet boy, I am not going to play your game of answering the same question over and over until you get an answer you like...You need to get someone who is not too bright like your brother RZQ to play it with you...Even Malman is too mature to play that childs game...You are too much an adolescent to interact with adults anyway...You have proved that often enough...
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Duh Dumb
written by Muslim & Proud , March 15, 2012
You are squirming again - try and answer the simple question.....if you can

I am not going to play your game of answering the same question over and over until you get an answer you like...


There is only ONE possible answer and yet you are squirming.......

Here is the simple question:

Do YOU feel sorry for the innocent MUSLIMS in Syria?

Yes or No
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Sweet comic M&Persistant
written by duh_swami , March 15, 2012
My dearest friend...You have now slipped down a rung on the ladder of civility...What you are indulging yourself in now has a name...It's called 'badgering', a slimy tactic really but it does fit you well...Apparently you don't read very well, I told you I was not going to answer your question two or more times...So you can stop wasting your effort...I'm not playing your game, and your badgering is laughable...

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Du-Swami
written by clement-Islam-watch Pastor , March 15, 2012
why not leave M&P alone whenever he is defeated he looks for such primitive questions to distract attention. I know him for that, the best thing sometimes is to ignore him

Everybody knows that the Syrians are victim of Islamic barbarism any human with humanity in him will feel sorry for them. I don't know what this morons stands to get by you answering yes or no

take care
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Duh Dumb
written by Muslim & Proud , March 15, 2012
This is quite embarrasing for you. You are squirming away - this is very funny indeed.

Please answer:

Do YOU feel sorry for the innocent MUSLIMS in Syria?

Yes or No
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Clement
written by duh_swami , March 15, 2012
He is trying to lay a trap around the word 'innocent', he is so transparent as to be funny...He's fuming because I won't fall for it...But you are right, it is useless to try and reason with a drunk, or a Muslim in heat...
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To Muslim & Proud
written by Healer_999 , March 15, 2012
Describe innocence?
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Healer_999
written by duh_swami , March 15, 2012
Haven't heard from you much in a while, hope everything is well with you...
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..........................
written by Healer_999 , March 15, 2012
The question: Who never stops in discussion?

The answer: The man who never makes sense.

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Mulatto the Pisslim and syrians
written by Mozlem , March 15, 2012
Do YOU feel sorry for the innocent MUSLIMS in Syria?
Which pisslims , sunnis who are fighting saudi arabias and qatar sponsored war for Sunnis are more in number or the hashmites a type of shias who dont want a full sharia rule.
It is a Shia sunni war not assad vs pisslim war.
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correction in above post
written by Mozlem , March 15, 2012
Read alwalites instead of hashmites but they are also shia muslims fighting against sunnis who are spnserd by saudi sponsored and qatar.
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Duh Dumb
written by Muslim & Proud , March 15, 2012
This is quite embarrasing for you. You are squirming away - this is very funny indeed. Did you manage to figure out the answer yet?

Please answer:

Do YOU feel sorry for the innocent MUSLIMS in Syria?

Yes or No
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M&Persistant
written by duh_swami , March 15, 2012
Here is my answer...Mohammad once was talking to dead people...When asked why he was doing that he said, they hear but can't respond...Since your hero said the dead can hear, do you believe it also? Do you go to the cemetary and read Quran to the dead?

Please answer, Yes or no...
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Duh_Dumb
written by Muslim & Proud , March 15, 2012
Since your hero said the dead can hear, do you believe it also? Do you go to the cemetary and read Quran to the dead?


Absolutely - YES. Wholeheartedly - YES. Without doubt - YES.

Now here is my question - let's see if you have managed to find a bit of courage:

Do YOU feel sorry for the innocent MUSLIMS in Syria?

Yes or No
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malem
written by dead or alive , March 15, 2012
I never made fun of you.
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M&Pious
written by duh_swami , March 15, 2012
So you believe dead people can hear...Do you ever talk to them? What do you say? If they can hear they are already up on current events...You could help the dead who are stuck in a cemetery by placing a small battery operated radio among the tombstones...They seem to like Pat Condell a lot, at least that's what a poll showed...A recent poll of dead listeners showed they liked Pat and the American talking head, Michael Savage...You might want to play them a tape of Savage since Yorkshire radio does not carry his show...Good luck with doing something nice for the dead...I'm sure they will thank you for it later///
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Duh_Dumb
written by Muslim & Proud , March 15, 2012
Here is what your friend Fineliving said earlier:

I get condolences and reassurances and words that only could come from compassionate people who feel sorry for Muslim Innocents who's blood is spilled every day.


I realise this is a very difficult question for you, but maybe you can find the courage from somewhere:

Do YOU feel sorry for the innocent MUSLIMS in Syria?

Yes or No
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M&Puzzled
written by duh_swami , March 15, 2012
Here is my answer...Another time the comic Mohammad, with Umar and some men went to confront a young boy named Sayyed, who Mohammad thought was dajjal...Mohammad confronted him, and almost fell off his horse when Sayyed insulted him...Umar drew his sword and offered to kill Sayyed, but Mohammad the comic didn't want to pzz dajjal off so he told Umar that if it was dajjal, he couldn't defeat him and if it was not dajjal Sayyed would be killed for nothing...So once again the comic Mohammad retreated to save his skin....

Now wan't that a funny story? Did you enjoy it?
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Duh_Dumb
written by Muslim & Proud , March 15, 2012
Here is what your friend Fineliving said earlier:

I get condolences and reassurances and words that only could come from compassionate people who feel sorry for Muslim Innocents who's blood is spilled every day. even when non Muslims are being killed day in and day out ...


You are stumped Duh_Dumb..........well and truly stumped. there is absolutely no way you can answer this question - not a chance - and you know it. You have finally gone into a dead end.

Do YOU feel sorry for the innocent MUSLIMS in Syria?

Yes or No

There is no way you can answer this one, not a chance.
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M&practical
written by duh_swami , March 15, 2012
Here's my answer...Another time the comic Mohammad who thought Sayyed was dajjal, saw him sleeping outside and mubling to himself...Mohammad thinking he might hear something incriminating sneaked up on Sayyed and crouched down behind a palm stump so he could hear...But Sayeeds mother spotted Mohammad and woke Sayyed up...Mohammad hurried away in embarrassment...

Now don't you think that was a funny story?
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Duh_Dumb - Snookered IN STYLE - NO WAY OUT THIS TIME
written by Muslim & Proud , March 15, 2012
Here is what your friend Fineliving said earlier:


I get condolences and reassurances and words that only could come from compassionate people who feel sorry for Muslim Innocents who's blood is spilled every day. even when non Muslims are being killed day in and day out ...


Do YOU feel sorry for the innocent MUSLIMS in Syria?

Yes or No

There is no way you can answer this one, not a chance............you are not capable Duh_Dumb - you are doing a grand job of proving that you cannot answer.
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Moron the Pisslim and the BS Question
written by Mozlem , March 15, 2012
Your question is wrong punk.

The population of Syria is 90% Pisslim and 10% Christian.
Why do you want people to be sorry for muslims alone.

If you would have asked for the syrian people yes. But for muslims and not christians who are also syrians you show that you are a racist and and bigot who is so retarded that he does not know about demograpies accross nations
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M&Patient
written by duh_swami , March 15, 2012
You flatter yourself too much sweet boy, here's another story you might like...

One night the comic Mohammad sneaked out of the tent in the middle of the night, up to no good no doubt...Aisha followed him and when he saw her he got pzzed, cursed, her and struck her in the chest...She said he hurt her...I bet you thought that story was funny, I have more humor for you...
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Cursed Mozlem
written by Muslim & Proud , March 15, 2012
I feel sorry for the innocent Christians who are being persecuted in Syria - and any other innocent non-muslim for that matter.

I also feel sorry for the muslims who are being persecuted.

Duh_Dumb is finished - he cannot answer this simple question and we both know why he can't. It is catch 22 for him and he is finally stumped.

Let's see if he finds any courage to answer.
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Duh_Dumb - FINISHED OFF N STYLE
written by Muslim & Proud , March 15, 2012
He could not even answer this simple question:

Do YOU feel sorry for the innocent MUSLIMS in Syria?

Yes or No

Too bad Duh_Dumb.......you can carry on humouring yourself all night - it makes no difference to the fact that you have been well and truly stumped.

Goodnight.............................bickhead LOL LOL LOL
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Moron and Pisslim and the arab spring
written by Mozlem , March 15, 2012
This even of Syria will sooner or later move on to Lebnan.

It is Shia vs Sunni war and how is one innocent when they are fighting wether they call themselves freedom fighters. Yes there are some innocents caught in the fight but collatron damage will happen when fight goes on in residential area. Ask the figters not to fight sitting inside peoples residences where they are using innocents for shield. Why are you not talking same about Bahrain. There is also muslis against muslis. After Syria and Lebnan next is Iran cause Saudi cant see surrounded by strong shia rulers.
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Duh_Dumb is finished -
written by duh_swami , March 15, 2012
Not quite yet dear boy, I have more stories...

One time when the comic Mohammad was hiding in the cave on Mt Hira, he was possessed by the demon Pazuzu, who pressed him three times and ordered him to read...Since Mohammad didn't know how to read, he showed the demon some pictures from the Playboy Magazine, that Mohammad had brought with him, just in case...Pazuzu took one look at the centerfold and exclaimed, 'You da man', from now on we will call you messenger, because we really like your message, especially Miss November'...Pazuzu took the magazine and it now resides with Allah in Paradise, right next to the Quran...

Now wan't that a funny story? I should get an award...
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Duh_Dumb - Adios
written by Muslim and proud , March 15, 2012
He could not even answer this simple question:

Do YOU feel sorry for the innocent MUSLIMS in Syria?

Yes or No

Too bad Duh_Dumb.......you can carry on humouring yourself all night - it makes no difference to the fact that you have been well and truly stumped.

Goodnight...............bickhead

Lol
Lol
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Good night swet boy
written by duh_swami , March 15, 2012
And may Iblis visit you in your dreams sweet boy...Now that you are going to the arms of Morpheus, I will suspend funny stories about Mohammed until you return...
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M&P
written by dead or alive , March 15, 2012
Feels sorrow for non Muslims.
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To the Proud Moron
written by Archpagan , March 15, 2012
I really sorry for loss of innocent lives. But, someone who calls himself/herself Muslim can not be innocent, knowing fully well the criminal and immoral acts of the so-called prophet.
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>>Muslim & Proud
written by san , March 16, 2012
>>>Monotheism is ALL about 1 - singular - less than 2 and more than 0 - nothing else.
Less than 2 Is it 1.5 or 1.2 or 1.3 ............ and so on
Greater than 0 means .7,.8.,9 .....and so on


Again i am saying YOUR 1 IS dependent on two things now....

first is 0
second is 2

Right...If there is no 0 and there is no 2 then YOUR 1 IS GONE....RIGHT.....
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San
written by Muslim and proud , March 16, 2012
The golden rule:

Monotheism = 1 God

You can keep talking rubbish if you like - but please remember the golden rule.

Cheers
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>>Muslim and proud
written by san , March 16, 2012

>>You can keep talking rubbish if you like - .
Please don’t be frustrated. Believe me It is not rubbish..Because ONE is very much important for ALLAH…That is the reason I have initiated the discussion with ONE…Without ONE your Allah is gone. Then we will discuss about GOD…
Please let us discussion the NUMBER GAME THEORY….WHICH IS ONE…
So...Let us understand first WHAT IS ONE....WHO IS ONE....HOW IS ONE...WHAT IS THE EXISTENCE ONE....HOW LONG IT CAN BE ONE….WHY IT IS ONE....IF THERE IS ONE THEN THERE MUST BE SECOND....BECAUSE ONE EXISTED BECAUSE OF TWO OR THREE OR FOUR.....OR NEW NUMBER THAT U HAVE SAID EARLIER WHICH IS ZERO.....
>>> your golden rule.

Suppose u have 10 students in your class. U r rank 1 student among those 10 students in any thing (Be in sports or study or stupidity . U choose yourself).
If there is no no.2 then how can u become no.1
So rank 1 is existed because there is rank 2,rank 3….and so on….
This is very simple. I do not know why u r not able to understand this GOLDEN RULE.
Suppose there is no class then there is no rank…..Means no allah….is it so…
See I am giving u the numbers because ONE IS number. So I am talking about the number only.
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San
written by Muslim and proud , March 16, 2012
There is no frustration my friend.

IF THERE IS ONE THEN THERE MUST BE SECOND....


Lol

There is only one President of USA right?

Where is the 2nd?

If any fool believes or thinks there is more than 1 - they are deluded.

Suppose u have 10 students in your class.


There is no supposing Mr San. There is only ONE God - remember the golden rule - you have forgot it already......
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...
written by san , March 16, 2012
>>There is only one President of USA right?

U r putting an example and ignoring my example.And question is answered as usual.
U donot want to SUPPOSE .... i have used it because for your simplicity to make u understand what i want to say u.

>>here is only ONE God

Let us focus on ONE right now...forget about.....ONE GOD.....If we are able to understand ONE ...THEN surely we will understand ...ONE GOD....

Ok u have not answered the question.
Question remain unanswered....

EXISTENCE OF ONE IS BECUASE OF ZERO OR TWO OR THREE OR FOUR....?.

Or according to u existence of ONE because of OTHER.....Because u r giving me two number...First 0 and second 2.

right....

Chilll....Bo....








Do u agree that ONE IS THEIR because
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San
written by Muslim and proud , March 16, 2012
You are all over the place.

Use whatever example you want - but remember the Golden rule ;-)

One President
One Queen
One Pope
One Prime Minister
One General
One Captain
One Chief
etc etc

EXISTENCE OF ONE IS BECUASE OF ZERO OR TWO OR THREE OR FOUR....?.


Lol - You are lost.
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...
written by san , March 16, 2012
>>Use whatever example you want - but remember the Golden rule ;-)
My dear I am following your golden rule.....
>>One President
So there is ONE PRESIDENT cannot be TWO president .Is it your golden rule…
Let us frame the above sentence carefully….
… there is ONE PRESIDENT cannot be TWO president. Now ONE IS dependent on existence of TWO(WORD) .
SINCE TWO IS THERE SO ONE IS…..
It is the same way u ranked FIRST…U rank first because there are more than 100 ranks existed. So First Rank is dependent on REMAINING another RankS.
If there is no rank then there is no ONE…
Similarly u keep replacing with PRESIDENT word TO whatever u like…..
>>One Captain
>>One Chief
>>etc etc
Now let us again come with the figure ONE....WHERE IS one...U have not answered any queires....
Here are the list of questions...Which i am putting......
1.What is the existence of ONE...
2.Is ONE is illusion…
3.Is the number ONE dependent on another number which is .5 or 1.5 or 2.4 or so on….
>>> Lol - You are lost.
My dear brother forget now about LOST OR WIN….First answers the questions properly….about EXISTENCE OF ONE……The theory of ONE…U r not able to define ONE…U r claiming that u have won…U claim but let us clarify with clear cur answers of the above questions.
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Mulatto the pisslim Golden shower rule
written by Mozlem , March 16, 2012
"Use whatever example you want - but remember the Golden rule ;-)
etc etc"
Many wives (4) LoL Lot of love PBUM Peace be upon me
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...
written by duh_swami , March 16, 2012
According to Cabalists there are three layers of negative existence, Ain, which is absolute nothing, so nothing that even the concept of zero is missing...But Ain became something...it took on the qualities of limitlessness Ain Soph...Limitlessness created limitless light Ain Soph aur...The light condensed into a point called Kether represented by a circle with a dot in the center, it's color is brilliance, it's number is one...Kether is the condition where all things are possible, but nothing is yet happening. It is I AM THAT I AM...Kether is the creator of forms...Chockmah, #2, is Kether in action...Chockmah is the male dynamic creative force of the universe, represented as a phallic symbol by a straight up right line...But creation needs to have a space to create in so immediately Binah #3 is created...She is Isis, everything that go's on that is created, go's on in Binah...These three Kether, Chockmah and Binah acting together are called the three supernals...They are the triangle of manifestation...Everything there is is because of them...

Simple as 1.2.3 right M&Precarious?
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Duh Dumb
written by Muslim and proud , March 16, 2012
Did you manage to find the courage to answer this sime question yet:

Do YOU feel sorry for the innocent MUSLIMS in Syria?

Yes or No
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>>Muslim and proud
written by san , March 16, 2012
Answer the following questions..

1. WHAT IS ...ONE..
2. HOW IS ...ONE....
3. WHAT ARE THE CONDITIONS FOR ....ONE...
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San
written by Muslim and proud , March 16, 2012
"Answer the following questions.."

With pleasure

"1. WHAT IS ...ONE.."

A number

"2. HOW IS ...ONE...."

I'm not sure - I've not met 'one' yet to ask the question.

"3. WHAT ARE THE CONDITIONS FOR ....ONE..."

There are no conditions.
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M&portly
written by duh_swami , March 16, 2012
Did you manage to find the courage to answer this sime question yet:

I don't know what a sime question is but I will attempt to answer...Some people came to Mohammad and wanted to know if they could use water from the Budaam well for ritual or drinking...The Budaam well is where villagers threw dead animals and all kinds of filth...Mohammad said that since all water is pure, it could be used...To prove to them that it was safe he drank some and declared...'Ummm that's good, tastes a lot like Yorkshire ale'...


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>>Muslim and proud
written by san , March 16, 2012

>>With pleasure
Thanks....
>>A number
U r absolutely right. It is a Number.
>>2. HOW IS ...ONE...."
>>>>>I'm not sure - I've not met 'one' yet to ask the question.
You r not sure.I appreciate for your genuity.
You are writing that u have not met ‘ONE’
Then how can u meet ‘ONE GOD’. When u r not able to achieve to meet ‘ONE’
Since u r saying ONE is a number and this number comes before 2 or 3 or 4. And LATER THAN 0.
Yes u r right. So in order to meet this ONE number u have to go through O ,2,3,or so on NUMBERS.
Then u will get the answer of HOW…ONE. Right.?
No problem try to meet first ..ONE…If u r able to meet ..ONE…then u we will discuss ONE GOD…TWO GODS..OR THREE GODS….As of now there is no difference at all based on your logic or your understanding.
>>"3. WHAT ARE THE CONDITIONS FOR ....ONE..."

>>>>There are no conditions.
Probably u r wrong. U ranked 3rd in your class. Then u require First rank,Second rank,fourth rank ,fifth rank and so on…These are the basic conditions to become 3rd rank which u have achieved.
Similarly When u r saying ONE…Then there must be TWO OR THREE OR FOUR….Without these there is no ..ONE..
Today u r saying that u r happy. How u become happy without sorrow. If u have feeling of sorrow then u become happy otherwise it is not. It means HAPPY is dependent on SORROW.
If u say that there is night and there is day. How day is without NIGHT. NIGHT cannot exist without DAY.
U visit your doctor and say u r not feeling well today. Why u r saying it.
Because u must have good feeling before bad feeling other wise why u will visit DOCTOR
It means in order to have GOOD feeling…there must be BAD feeling….right….
Probably it will help u answer the questions which are unfinished as of now….
After understanding the theory of ..ONE..Please reanswer the questions again which are unfinished.If u require I will re-write the question.
1.HOW ONE IS ACHIEVED.
2.WHERE IS ONE.
3.WHETHER ONE IS SYMBOLLIC IN NATURE OR ABSOLUTE OBJECT.

See we will move further once u and me come to the common point about THE SECRET OF ONE...RIGHT NOW IT IS AN ILLUSION because u have seen ONE AS a number which is finite. How we discuss the FINITE thing with INFINITE...

I am not good at english....Please ignore if i am not writing well....But intentions should be rightly understood.
Enjoy.....
Cheer buddy.....
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San
written by Muslim and proud , March 16, 2012
"Please ignore if i am not writing well"

Ok, no problem.
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Allah he is the one.o two or three
written by then lie , March 16, 2012
it so clear.for the people use his mind.
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...
written by then lie , March 16, 2012
Lennard James say:
answer lies, at least in large part, within the pages of the book most near and dear to Muslims. The Qur'an is a book of teachings by Muhammadan thoughts, the founder of Islam.
...He dont uderstand about islam.Quran from Allah and Muhammad cant read and write.

S U R A T A L - ' A N K A B U T


29:48. And thou (O Muhammad) wast not a reader of any scripture before it, nor didst thou write it with thy right hand,
for then might those have doubted, who follow falsehood.

Allah say about Quran give to Prophet Muhammad.
S U R A T A L - I S R A '
53:4. It is naught save an inspiration that is inspired,


17:106. And (it is) a Qur’an that We (Allah)have divided, that thou mayest recite it unto mankind at intervals, and We have
revealed it by (successive) revelation.
S U R A T A L - H I J R


15:9. Lo! We, even We, reveal the Reminder, and lo! We (Allah) verily are it's Guardian. This is about Quran.
So Prophet Muhammad not creat Quran.

Muhammad He Founder Islam???No.Islam from Allah.
thats means submit/follow . you can read in Holy Quran
S U R A T A L - N A H L



120. Lo! Abraham was a nation obedient to Allah, by nature upright, and he was not of the idolaters;
121. Thankful for His bounties; He chose him and He guided him unto a straight path.
122. And We gave him good in the world, and in the Hereafter he is among the righteous.
123. And afterward We inspired thee (Muhammad, saying): Follow the religion of Abraham, as one by nature upright. He was not of the idolaters.
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then lie
written by duh_swami , March 16, 2012
The Quran is the book of lies and dark fairy tales...
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Duh Dumb
written by Muslim and proud , March 16, 2012
"The Quran is the book of lies and dark fairy tales..."

Your words:

"if I shout 'fake' 160 times, will it convince anyone"

159 times to go bickhead
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No Proof
written by Malem , March 16, 2012
One can easily state without any proof that any book or in this case the message from the blessed Quran is not true. However there is no proof to show that any part of it is a lie or an nontruth. Ont he contrary though there are numerous cases to show indeed it is the true word of Allah.
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M&Past due
written by duh_swami , March 16, 2012
Notice...I'm sorry to inform you that now that you have declared yourself a devotee of murder, you are no longer qualified for a response...
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Duh Dumb
written by Muslim and proud , March 16, 2012
"Notice...I'm sorry to inform you that now that you have declared yourself a devotee of murder, you are no longer qualified for a response..."

Translation:

Duh is a puss* and a coward and is unable to respond to simple questions.

Thanks swami - bickhead - lol
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>>"Please ignore if i am not writing well"
written by san , March 16, 2012
>>>>Ok, no problem.

But u have not responded with the answers.
I think either u have not read all the lines which i have written or not understood the lines.

Please carefully answered all the queries .Then probably we will come to know THE THEORY OF NUMBER ONE.
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'Murder incorporated'' Islamic style
written by duh_swami , March 16, 2012
Murderers and their supporters are outcasts, undesirables and strangers to civilized behavior...If the shoe fits the murderous personality must wear it...
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Duh Dumb
written by Muslim and proud , March 16, 2012
"Murderers and their supporters are outcasts, undesirables and strangers to civilized behavior...If the shoe fits the murderous personality must wear it..."

Translation:

Duh is a coward And will now stay out of M&P's way.

Don't forget bickhead - you are barred from responding.
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Duh is a coward And will now stay out of M&P's way.
written by duh_swami , March 16, 2012
Another threat...The Muslim is showing his true colors...yellow...He should be admonished by the administrator for making threats and advocating murder...
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Duh Dumb
written by Muslim and proud , March 16, 2012
You are contradicting your public notice again bickhead

Lol
Lol
Lol
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Remember what Mike Tyson the boxer said,
written by dead or alive , March 16, 2012
``Everyone is tough,till you punch them in the mouth``
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@ Swamy
written by Healer_999 , March 16, 2012
I am fine. Thank you.
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To Muslim and proud
written by Healer_999 , March 16, 2012
Please make some sense. It is not like we have nothing to do but to answer your nonsensical and useless rhetoric.

How did I come to this conclusion?

Because the author of this post has mentioned every thing that is needed and even then you put up questions based on flimsy grounds.

More importantly, I have seen your objections on the post by MA Khan about letters and the verse 9:29 which are crystal clear to all sensible persons.

You know who raises such baseless objections? The guy who never has to make any sense and never makes any sense.

ADIOS
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Malem
written by Clement-Islam-Watch pastor , March 16, 2012
"However there is no proof to show that any part of it is a lie or an nontruth. Ont he contrary though there are numerous cases to show indeed it is the true word of Allah."

what of the countless evidence of all the lies in the Quran You didnot see all those lies

That the earth is not flat as the Quran says, the sun does not set in the mulky water, Jesus (Yeshua) is not Isah in Arabic, that Yahweh is not Allah in Arabi that

Mary is not the 3rd person in the Christian Godhead, That Jesus in deed died and resurrected with infallible proofs. that

That Abraham has never been to Mecca talk less of building the Kaaba?
and so many other lies which are proven to lies? How many lies do you want count before you discard your cult religion of lies?

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Clement
written by Malm , March 16, 2012
Do you really think the Quran says the Earth Is Flat? Lets just take that first item you list, and why dont you provide me with the verse that indicates "Allah says the earth is flat". Lets see what you come up with, hint: it doesnt exist.....
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Squealer_999
written by Muslim and proud , March 16, 2012
"More importantly, I have seen your objections on the post by MA Khan about letters and the verse 9:29 which are crystal clear to all sensible persons."

Course it does lol

To all of the 20 senseless people on here

Good one mate - keep squealing
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keep on squealing
written by duh_swami , March 16, 2012
The small chubby sweet Muslim boy who advocates murder and threatens other posters squeals like a stuck pig...Thugs usually do when they are down and out......
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Duh Dumb - The PUBLIC NOTICE
written by Muslim & Proud , March 16, 2012
Notice...I'm sorry to inform you that now that you have declared yourself a devotee of murder, you are no longer qualified for a response...


Duh dumb - the bickhead who cannot even stick to his own word.

A response will be on it's way from duh dumb - to prove my point.
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...
written by duh_swami , March 16, 2012
An old Chinese proverb...A murderer and an advocate of murder are the same thing...Criminal minds will eventually commit criminal acts...
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>>Muslim & Proud
written by san , March 17, 2012
Dear brother........

U r not able to tell us about ..ONE....It seems to be pretty heavy thinking..Ok..Let me simplify the question in yes or no.

1..Existence of ONE requires 0 or 2 or 3 or 4.
....Yes or no....

Please look at the word ....Existence....

Yes u r have rightly said earlier that u have not yet met with 'ONE'....This is not your fault. Because u have not met with 0 OR 2 OR 3 OR 3.5....AND SO ON...How can u met with ....ONE....

Please brother....we have to move ahead of ...one... U R STILL NOT ABLE TO understand or make me understand from where ONE has come.....

Please please....donot go away ......I am not here to win or loose....any game.....We are just playing a game.....but u r not able to catch up with number game....

I hope u will not run away with this nice talk....



Whatever may be your answer....a different area of topic
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San
written by Muslim & Proud , March 17, 2012
Sorry my friend - I was not ignoring you.

1..Existence of ONE requires 0 or 2 or 3 or 4.
....Yes or no....


No

Here are some words of wisdom for you:

(112:1) Say: “He is Allah, the One and Unique;
(112:2) Allah, Who is in need of none and of Whom all are in need;
(112:3) He neither begot any nor was He begotten,
(112:4) and none is comparable to Him.

Peace.
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>> Muslim & Proud
written by san , March 17, 2012


>>Sorry my friend - I was not ignoring you.
Thanks...
U r saying ….no….
Let us start from line as (112:1) .. .
and gradually we will move to (112:2) ... and ....(112:4) ...so on.....
let us start with the number....
>>>(112:1) Say: “He is Allah, the One and Unique;
Right now i am not touching the word....Allah.....
I am started with the word ...the One and Unique...
U r saying Imran Khan is very unique cricketer. His Uniqueness dependent on various cricketers like Ian Botham,Yusuf Khan,Shahid Afridi , Shane Warne,Kapil Dev...etc..
His(Imran Khan) uniqueness depend on the various cricketers because various cricketers are also playing.How he can be unique if there is no cricketers in the world.
(I am not taking right now the word GOD…First we r going to understand ONE AND UNIQUE…If we are able to understand ONE and UNIQUE then we will move to ..GOD…..)
U said u r going to doctor for feeling bad ….How can u feel bad when u donot have the experience of feeling good. U r saying Oh what a DAY….How a DAY exist without night. Night has to occur or say has to have …for the existence of DAY.
U have numbered your wisdoms as 112:1, 112:2, 112: 3, 112:4….and so on.
U r saying this 112:1 first wisdom.Why it is first. It is because there is an existence of another wisdoms as :2,:3:4….You :1 is dependent on :2,:3,:4.
If this numbers do not exist then how :1 will exist. Your :1 exist because there are another wisdoms as which are numbered as :2,:3,:4.
Now let us start again with your ANSWER as ..NO….
U r listing your number as ONE, TWO, THREE OR FOUR…AND SO ON….How u can lists as these numbers.
When these numbers are dependent on each other….how can your ONE cannot depend on TWO or THREE or FOUR…Please carefully read your wisdom numbers.
If your answer is NO…THEN ONE cannot exist. How ONE exist without TWO OR THREE…
I think it is a hypocracy.
At one side u r using word as ONE and saying no more than one can exist.
It is same way u r saying Imran Khan is Unique but there is no cricketer. How he can be unique.
In order to be Unique for Imran Khan , there must be another cricketers.
U r saying I am feeling happy today…how happy u can be if u donot experience the sorrow. For happiness u need to be known to sorrow. If U donot have experience of sorrow , how u become happy.
So existence of sorrow , there must be existence of happy. And vice versa.

Please forget about the wisdom….Be clear us how ONE is not dependent on TWO,OR THREE OR FOUR…
Please explain how a day exist without night….or night exist without night…..
Please explain how u feel bad without feeling good.

We will meet on Monday....And one thig...so this kind of argument u will not find it on internet...These are internal experiences....If u experience ISLAM in true sense....then u will probably able to answer it or will be able to understand it. Please do not copy and paste...It will not at all help u. Tell us about ur real experiences as a good Muslim.

Cheer Body....
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>> Muslim & Proud
written by san , March 17, 2012
Please read all lines if u have time to read.....I think u r not reading all the lines otherwise u must have lot of questions for me.....
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San
written by Muslim & Proud , March 17, 2012
Thanks for your response.

Firstly, I have not mentioned anything about Imaran Khan or Cricket. With all due respect, it is not an appropriate example as we already know there are hundreds and thousands of cricketers.

Imran Khan, Shahid Afridi, Ian Botham and all other cricketers cannot claim to be unique - they all have one thing in common - they are all human beings - there is nothing unique about any one cricketer.

I would prefer to use an example like the Holy Qur'an (as a good muslim ;-)

There is no other Holy Qur'an - it is unique. It is not dependant on any other book - anywhere. Ther is no such book that could be the same as the Holy Qur'an - this is the true meaning of the word UNIQUE. One version was revealed over 1400 years ago - and the same version exists today - and will continue to exist until the end of time. The Holy Qur'an is the word of Allah (the exalted). This is UNIQUE.

Allah (the exalted) is ONE GOD. He is UNIQUE. He is not dependant on ANYTHING. He existed before "anything" existed and for this reason, everything is dependant upon his will.

It is not intellectual to use examples of cricketers - maybe you like cricket and therefore using example of Cricket.
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duh_swami
written by then lie , March 17, 2012
then lie
written by duh_swami , March 16, 2012
The Quran is the book of lies and dark fairy tales...

I think you better back to school again. like DR Yahya Waloni ex Priest Christian the founder chatolic University in West Irian(Papua) back to islam.open his video.he is a master in bible.he sya Holy Quran is true and the bible is false.he have 15 holy bible and 15 Holy Quran from 1900 until 2000 .in a Hundred years from 15 bible no one same.Holy Quran from 15 book no one change.
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Malem
written by Clement-Islam-Watch-Pastor , March 17, 2012
"why dont you provide me with the verse that indicates "Allah says the earth is flat". Lets see what you come up with, hint: it doesnt exist....."

My dear friend assuming I give you the verse and you argue and wind the case what of the rest of lies wouldn't that be enough to render the quran not God's word?

You see I don't need to win all my argument with you only one lie in the Quran renders it not God word, For God is not a man that he should lie.

The fact that Alexander the Great, that Pagan Army general of the Greek empire found himself as messenger of Allah in the Quran being sent to explore where the sun set is enough proofs that the Quran is nothing but the hallucination of a madman.

The onus of proofs lies with you I don't need to quote the verses but if you insist I will but I think it is not necessary.

Suit yourself with the evil cult religions, built on lies, threat of hell, and sword.


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Mr Pastor
written by Muslim and proud , March 17, 2012
" For God is not a man that he should lie. "

Errrm,

I thought you said Jesus is one of your Gods?
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...
written by then lie , March 17, 2012
You need to understand and know, the Quran is different from the bible.
one can memorize quran 30 juz or more than 500 pages.
Quran could be read without looking at the contents of the Holy Quran means to read a book without looking at the books of the Holy Quran.
This excess Quran that Allah gave to human beings, especially those who believe in the God of Islam.
In contrast to the gospel of the page was not a priest he could memorize, why because the Quran from God and the bible is made by man.
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Then lie my friend
written by duh_swami , March 17, 2012
Then lie...The Quran is a book of lies and dark fairy tales...The Bible also contains fairy tales but they are not dark, they all contain symbolic representations, that the Quran copy cats didn't know about...Adam and Eve, Moses, Noah and the ark, Jonah and the whale, were not real people living real events...They and their stories are symbolic...These events never happened in real life...But a scripture wrench is required to get Christians to see this, and it is impossible for Muslims to see it...The Bible, faulty as it is, is a book of light, while ignorant Muslims put together the Quran, the book of dark...The main purpose of Quran is to keep you in the dark, so enlightenment is impossible for you...
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To then lie
written by Archpagan , March 17, 2012
Koran is the biggest lie on earth. It's only a pirated edition of Judaism, nothing new. Muhammad, the desert pirate forced that pirated version of piety on the people of Arabia and adjoining land by force and deceit. As a man he was the most lecherous, vindictive, cruel and selfish and so also his God allah. His followers avidly follow that lechery and ferocity and call themselves religious. All Koran lovers are criminals in essence.

I believe in a God who is good and kind to all, believers non-believers alike. Why don't you fashion a God who loves all His creations?
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Archpagan
written by Clement-Islam-watch Pastor , March 17, 2012
"I believe in a God who is good and kind to all, believers non-believers alike. Why don't you fashion a God who loves all His creations?"

You did not those qualities in the God of the Bible?
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@ then lie
written by Mozlems , March 17, 2012
Why then lie? Why not now lie.

yes you are right. Quran does not change. Clean arse with 3 stones then. Clean arse with 3 stones now.

I agree no change. Morons then and Morons now. Excellence in perfectionism in being a Moron. Keep polising Tu*ds but you will fail. Islam survives cause of Morons and retards. The day you think or if pisslims have brain to think question and look withing they will all leave and run away from Pisslam.... you included
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Curzed Mozlems
written by Muslim and proud , March 17, 2012
"Islam survives"

Well done.
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no place to hide.islam will lead for the future
written by then lie , March 17, 2012
isa putera Maryam (son of mary) will back as a muslim with sword to destroy the enemy of Allah.have you gospel? open revelation 14:14
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Allah says the earth is flat
written by Yibel , March 18, 2012
Q. 15:19: "And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance." (Waal-arda MADADnahawaalqayna feeha rawasiya waanbatnafeeha min kulli shay-in mawzoonin) madad = protract, reach, elongate, extend, draw out, lengthen, stretch out, spread out, sprawl, dilate, reach, range, unwind, outstretch, pervade, lengthen

Q. 20:053: "He Who has, made for you the earth like a carpet spread out; has enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels); and has sent down water from the sky." (Allathee jaAAala lakumu al-ardamahdan wasalaka lakum feeha subulan waanzala mina alssama-imaan faakhrajna bihi azwajan min nabatinshatta) mahdan = (noun) cradle.or bed, (verb) flatten, smoothen, smooth, level, cement, grade, ram, plane, roll, flat, level off.

Q. 43:10: (Yea, the same that) has made for you the earth (like a carpet) spread out, and has made for you roads (and channels) therein, in order that ye may find guidance (on the way); (Allathee jaAAala lakumu al-ardamahdan wajaAAala lakum feeha subulan laAAallakum tahtadoona) mahdan = (noun) cradle or bed, (verb) flatten, smoothen, smooth, level, cement, grade, ram, plane, roll, flat, level off

Q. 50:7: And the earth- We have spread it out, and threw down thereon mountains standing firm, and produced therein every kind of beautiful growth (in pairs)- (Waal-arda madadnahawaalqayna feeha rawasiya waanbatnafeeha min kulli zawjin baheejin) madad = protract, reach, elongate, extend, draw out, lengthen, stretch out, spread out, sprawl, dilate, reach, range, unwind, outstretch, pervade, lengthen

Q. 51:48: And We have spread out the (spacious) earth: How excellently We do spread out! (Waal-arda farashnahafaniAAma almahidoona) farasha = provide
with furniture, flatten, outspread, pervade, circulate, cement, grade, unwind, stretch, expand, flat, range, reach, ram, spread out, lengthen, sprawl, unfold, level off, roll out, level flatten, smoothen, smooth, level, cement, grade, ram, plane, roll, flat, level off

Q. 71:019: And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet (spread out),
(WaAllahu jaAAala lakumu al-ardabisatan) bisaatan = drugget , carpet , rug (from the verb to outspread, flatten, flat, even, grade, level off, outstretch, pave, level,
smoothen, roll, cement

Q. 78:6 Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, a flat land/plain,
(Alam najAAali al-arda mihadan ) flat land, flat, plain, ramming
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still waiting
written by bundypig , March 18, 2012
on good 'ol malman, he'll bs around and dance like a chicken Yibel ;)
Although I look forward to his explanation of the koranic verses cited.
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he also typed about...
written by bundypig , March 18, 2012
free will and islam:
k 57-22
No disaster strikes upon the earth or among yourselves except that it is in a register before We bring it into being - indeed that, for Allah , is easy -
k 10-100
And it is not for a soul to believe except by permission of Allah , and He will place defilement upon those who will not use reason.
k 7-34
And for every nation is a [specified] term. So when their time has come, they will not remain behind an hour, nor will they precede [it].
k 3-145
And it is not [possible] for one to die except by permission of Allah at a decree determined. And whoever desires the reward of this world - We will give him thereof; and whoever desires the reward of the Hereafter - We will give him thereof. And we will reward the grateful.
k 4-52
Those are the ones whom Allah has cursed; and he whom Allah curses - never will you find for him a helper.
k 6-59
And with Him are the keys of the unseen; none knows them except Him. And He knows what is on the land and in the sea. Not a leaf falls but that He knows it. And no grain is there within the darknesses of the earth and no moist or dry [thing] but that it is [written] in a clear record?
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Malem, the coward!
written by Kafirwala , March 18, 2012

Malem challenged to show even one verse in Quran where it said that the earth is flat. Yibel has produced as many as 7 verses in Quran where earth is described as a flat surface.

Now, where is this Malem? The idiot is not to be seen.

I am sure, he has pushed down his face in the sand dunes and sitting. He won't hear anything now. After some time, he will again reappear as if nothing has happened. The same old tactic of 'hit and run' of the idiotic, brain dead muslims!

What shall I call him, other than a coward?
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Kafirwala
written by duh_swami , March 18, 2012
I'm waiting for him to show up and tell me what type of Doctor he is, he evades that subject also...
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duh_swami
written by Kafirwala , March 18, 2012

I think he is treating the animals. Not a bad idea altogether. The animals have more intelligence than these brain dead zombies called muslims...
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yabil
written by fineliving56 , March 18, 2012
Thank you for bringing all the Ayas that talks about flat earth all in one post from Quran ... it is hard work but worth it ...

I remember trying to tell Reed about some of these Ayas and he tried to tell me Quran mostly came in poetry style so imagery was important to tell the story of earth ... he phrase it differently but you get the idea

Muslims do not realized if Allah was true and Quran is his messege, it seems Allah passed and missed a really important time to tell his creation the real story about our planet in his Quran.

What an idiotic Muhammad and his creation Allah ... one and the same

peace
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Fineliving
written by Muslim and proud , March 18, 2012
Who is YABIL? Lol lol lol

Can you not read?

You said:

What an idiotic Muhammad and his creation Allah ... one and the same


Followed by:

peace


Priceless
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Quran and the earth!
written by Kafirwala , March 18, 2012

Moslims always try so many tricks to claim that the scientific truths now we know are there in the Quran too- not in the direct way, but the opposite is not stated. For example, the question of earth's shape. All muslims will claim that Quran does not mention that the earth is flat.( It is a wrong notion as we have seen). Why then Quran couldn't mention that the earth is round? Is there any verse in Quran which says that the earth is round? Likewise, so many scientific truths and inventions man has known or made later on could have been foretold or suggested by Allah in his book of revelations called Quran. For example, he could have said that a time will come when man will travel through the air (aeroplane) or man can see his counterpart in another continent ( television) or talk to him ( telephone) or simply will be able to exchange their ideas. Allah was even unaware of the extent of earth, its continents, how many oceans were there etc. etc. Why Allah had failed to give any accurate information about many of the things we know today is a very valid question. The answer is only one thing i.e Allah was ignorant of these things. Allah does not seem to know anything more than a 7th century man knew. All other things he has stated in Quran is the fruits of his fertile imaginations which were all wrong and had no basis whatsoever. This is the plain truth, though muslim zombies will never admit it.
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Priceless
written by duh_swami , March 18, 2012
Priceless is kuffar, dirt cheap is Islam...Allah is the god of dirt, Mohammad his muddy voice...
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Swami
written by Muslim and proud , March 18, 2012
Here is what you said earlier:

Allah thinks about everything

Priceless - the truth comes out in the end.

You are require to respond ASAP - under the regulations of you service to the public - please also include the details of the next train
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...
written by duh_swami , March 18, 2012
Allah likes strawberry ice cream and has a holy fit when he can't get it...Ice cream vendors world wide are punished when he can't get it...Allah has temper tantrums and becomes vicious and punishes people by burning their skins off multiple times and forces them to drink boiling water...Allah is such a depraved spook...You know he gave Muslims this great picture of Paradise with all it's rivers, grapes and alcohol free wine, not to mention all those cute virgins and beautiful little boys, and then he announces not all Muslims are going to get in there...What a shocker that must have been...Mohammad confirmed it...he said only one in a thousand were going to Paradise and there was only room for 10,000 pious Muslims...
Only 10,000 out of 1.5 billion going to Paradise? And what about the billions of deceased Muslims since the 600's? Where did they all go? Hell? Are they all languishing in Allah's furnace?
No wonder Muslims are cranky, they have to worry every day that they may not get into heaven, in spite of their piousness...What chances should we give the Muslim who advocates murder and threats? Certainly Allah gives him a few points for advocating murder, but is that enough? It's possible of course but not probable...The poor castigated Muslim with gender identity confusion, will most likely end up with kuffar in the furnace room, where we kuffars will make him do all the hard work...
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Swami duh dumb
written by Muslim & Proud , March 18, 2012
Mr loser,

You are require to respond ASAP - under the regulations of your service to the public - please also include the details of the next train.

Get a move on bickhead.
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and once again
written by bundypig , March 18, 2012
nothing but nonsense from M$Perverted, that's all he's got, nothing...
I would think he would put some effort into fighting for his ideology, but all he does is bark and post nonsense, so you are really getting to be the asses ass little man, nothing more, nothing less ;)
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>>Muslim & Proud
written by san , March 19, 2012

>>>Firstly, I have not mentioned anything about Imaran Khan or Cricket. With all due respect, it is not an appropriate >>>>example as we already know there are hundreds and thousands of cricketers
These are the following examples which r listed is given by u.
>>>>One President
>>>>One Queen
>>>>One Pope
>>>>One Prime Minister
>>>>One General
>>>>One Captain
>>>>One Chief
>>>>etc etc
That is the reason why I have used the examples. Please understand I have not discussed about GOD. If we are not able to understand what is meaning of UNIQUE and WHAT IS the meaning of ONE….Then Leave it about the GOD…What is the use of discussion…on GOD….
>>>I would prefer to use an example like the Holy Qur'an
>>>>There is no other Holy Qur'an - it is unique.
Let us restrict ourself with the word ONE AND UNIQUE
Your answers are…>>>as One version was revealed over 1400 years ago - and the same version exists today - >>>>and will continue to exist until the end of time. The Holy Qur'an is the word of Allah (the exalted). This is >>>>UNIQUE. >>>Allah (the exalted) is ONE GOD. He is UNIQUE. He is not dependant on ANYTHING. He existed before >>>>"anything" existed and for this reason, everything is dependent upon his will.
Actually ….I am not able to define WHY anybody or anything or whether god or book or anything u have imagined can be called UNIQUE OR ONE…What is the definition of ONE…OR UNIQUE….
Then u have given your examples like
>>>>One President
Ok….What are the parameters come into mind to become ONE PRESIDENT. To become ONE president there are following parameters come into mind.
1.To become a president, a NATION should exists.
2.There must be some written format(Constinution) or Authority like (PAK’S Army Generals)
3.Subjects( People)
If there is no NATION then President is gone…It means to have existence of PRESIDENT a NATION HAS TO HAVE.
That is a president cannot exist without a NATION…
Just answer YES or NO

Similarly ….u can take all the examples which u had listed earlier..If u want we will take it one by one.
How I can fit the definition of >>>>One President as per your explanation of ONE and UNIQUE.
Right now we restrict ourself with ONE and UNIQUE only.

>>It is not intellectual to use examples of cricketers - maybe you like cricket and therefore using example of Cricket.
>>>> maybe you like cricket
It is not about my liking and disliking.. If u want to know about me….It is like CHOICELESSNESS…..But hold on…..This word is very hard to understand right now…..So leave …….First we try to understand what is the meaning of ONE and UNIQUE….Again I am requesting Please …Please…..write the words which u r have experiences ..…If u r not experienced anything …then u will not able to understand or move further with the word ONE …OR UNIQUE…..
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San
written by Muslim and proud , March 19, 2012
Good day to you.

If there is no NATION then President is gone…It means to have existence of PRESIDENT a NATION HAS TO HAVE.
That is a president cannot exist without a NATION…


Yes - a President cannot exist without a nation. The key thing to remember is that a president is not the same as the nation - that's why, when he/she exists, he/she is unique - there us only one President. The President can never be more than ONE.

I have made my position quite clear. One of my experience of uniqueness is The Holy Qur'an.

There is no other Holy Qur'an - it is unique. It is not dependant on any other book - anywhere. There is no such book that could be the same as the Holy Qur'an - this is the true meaning of the word UNIQUE. One version was revealed over 1400 years ago - and the same version exists today - and will continue to exist until the end of time. The Holy Qur'an is the word of Allah (the exalted). This is UNIQUE. This is my personal experience - I will never ever come across anything as unique as the Holy Qur'an - fact.

Over to you.

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>> Muslim and proud
written by san , March 19, 2012
>>>>Good day to you.
Thanks..
But again how can I feel a day as GOOD until I have the feeling of BAD day..:)
Again a choice……This is the miserly of the world. We are hoping of good ...and existence of good depends on bad..Without bad ..existence of good is nothing......:)
To have good...otherthing i.e...BAD...is required.....This is my point.....Please try to understand.....:)
>>Yes - a President cannot exist without a nation. >>The key thing to remember is that a president is not the same as the nation
Of course they are not same.President is a intangible POST…it is a notion. It is a symbol. U symbolizes them.
Are u agreed with it ?
See I am restricted my self with meaning of UNIQUE and ONE. It could be of anything like..Holy Quran, allah,man,machine , thoughts and so on...... etc.
>>>>There is no other Holy Qur'an - it is unique. It is not dependant on any other book - anywhere. There is no such >>>>book that could be the same as the Holy Qur'an - this is the true meaning of the word UNIQUE.
What u r explaining are the contents(Tjhe same way u r explaining the nation with President). Right now we are not in a position about the contents.
Right now these are all useless( just be patience..it does not mean disrespect to the contents. If something is true then whether I will say or not r it will remain.So forget it. It does not depend on me nor you … I hope u r getting now..)…..) till we are not able to understand ONE or UNIQUE.
...CONTD.....
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Contd....of the previous passages.....
written by san , March 19, 2012
Let me clear the what do I mean BY ONE OR UNIQUE word. Throughout my conversations I am saying ONE is dependent on TWO,THREE OR FOUR. It means One book/Object/Thing/Imagination dependent on many books/obvjects/things/imaginations/ and out of which u r choosing.
How can u say that any book is the best one/Unique one. THE best is a comparision…. UNIQUE is also a comparision..For comparision , other books are required in order to existence( As agreed by u). This is simple meaning of ONE …..OR UNIQUE…..
Please Please donot paste the sentences/words of any book….Hold on….My point of argument is only the definition of ONE and UNIQUE of anything and nothing else. If we are not able to understand what is ONE ..or WHAT IS UNIQUE then forget about the GOD..AND ETC….
U r agreed with President/nation theory of existence.
I hope u r agreed with Captain/Team and their existence.
I hope u r agreed with Queen and their conditions of existence.
Everything u have mentioned is dependent on something. This is same for a number called ..ONE ….when ever there is TWO OR THREE OR FOUR…then ONE can exist otherwise not.
Similarly UNIQUE word….whenever there is UNIQUE….THERE must be comparable objects/thoughts/experiences, and among them u called them as UNIQUE….This is the simple meaning…If anything else let me know.
>>>>I have made my position quite clear. One of my experience of uniqueness is The Holy Qur'an.
I have asked about the experiences of ONE or UNIQUE about u. Please write about U only. Forget about book and GOD. As of now…till ….u r writing about MIRAGE….I am interested on your experiences on ONE and UNIQUE. If u r not able experiences these things about yourself…then U cannot ever imagine other things begin ONE and UNIQUE. How can u tell GRAPE IS sour or sweet until u have not tasted it. So please taste these things about your self then talk about other things.
Please donot write anything except about U. Which u have told me earlier as …..GRIP OF YOURSELF…..I want to know about your grip OF yourself…..I want to know the experiences of your grip being yourself. If you are in yourself then it is possible to know about OTHERTHINGS.

I am not getting time to write . I will write to u whenever i will have the time tomorrow. But i hope u will continue with conversation.
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San
written by Muslim and proud , March 19, 2012
Please do no write essays, with all due respect. Inability to write clear English, coupled with extremely lon posts makes it almost impossible to understand you.
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>>Muslim and proud
written by san , March 19, 2012
>>Please do no write essays, with all due respect.
This is the problem...I know........When u have love with anybody....either u r speechless....U cannot describe through word...whatever word would be there it will be miniscule.....

>>>>it almost impossible to understand you.
If u have the experience of One ness and unique ness about yourself....ie..GRIP OF YOURSELF....NOT WITH ANYKIND OF CONDITIONING .....then probably u will able to understand otherwise....u will never.....
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San
written by Muslim and proud , March 20, 2012
One of my experiences of uniqueness is the Holy Qur'an.

Please apply your theory and explain how it is possible that the Holy Qur'an is dependant on anything else?

Good luck
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written by san , March 20, 2012
>>One of my experiences of uniqueness is the Holy Qur'an.
It is about uniqueness of book HOLY QURAAN....Not about u…..TRY TO GRIP OF YOURSELF….this is the meaning…..
When u read any book whether it is HOLY or UNHOLY(If there is HOLY.. THEN THERE MUST BE UNHOLY ALSO… AT LEAST IN YOUR MIND…) then conditioning happens....When u conditioned with anything then u r by corrupt by nature(I am using corrupt ..it means experiences…).....After all it is conditioning....It is symbol….Symbol will always carry conditioning…..
See U R guarding ASH in stead of Fire…. The ash is of that fire….so what ever u will say…u will always talk about ASH only…not about fire….This is the problem ….It does happen with any religion being Christianity or being hindu or being muslim or Jews….Most of the padits(Here pandit means Maulvi or Poojari or Padari ). They are only guarding ASH..Forget about the fire..
That is the reason why I have not initiated the dialogue between us about the content of the quraan or GOD….It will lead nothing..If I will say something , it will heart u. Now feeling bad or feeling good.. is all about dependent on your ego state. Whenever u r carrying ash of the fire …U r still have the ego…Whatever I was talking…those are the state when u will achieve egoless…The condition of BEING ONE OR UNIQUENESS only achieved when u have achieved the state of zero level of ego…Otherwise u keep on conditioning yourself….All the content of any book only u feed your ego…No knowledge or experience….This is very sad state of any religion.
This is the reason I repeatedly requested experience the FIRE rather than ASH….
I know that my communication seems to be very poor(w.r.t. u )…but that is true….

Cheer body…..
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San
written by duh_swami , March 20, 2012
You may not write perfect English, but you are on to a perfect idea...I doubt M&P has the capacity to understand it...
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Dumb swami duh
written by Muslim and proud , March 20, 2012
"You may not write perfect English, but you are on to a perfect idea...I doubt M&P has the capacity to understand it..."

Lol

Like you understand it.....

Ps. Your next public service announcement is due bickhead - make it quick.
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>>to all
written by san , March 20, 2012
>>.I doubt M&P
I do not know.....He is very special.....And transformation...transcend... can happen to him. I personaly feel that he has the capacity to experiment on himself...
It is my observation that he has the guts to experience ONENESS.....For it only guts is required ...I think he has...

>>the capacity to understand it...
See this is the real problem.......This problem resides in each religious fellow who thinks that holy books are destinaton..These books are only symbol not destination.

I have to go to hotel LEE MERIDIAN....There are various ways to reach that hotel......various sign boards r there..which help me to go to the destination....but so called religious people hold their signboards...and guard their sign board ....and forget to go destination....they even bother to go their...and create mayhem on this beautiful planet...They forget that if it is true then whether anybody/nobody agrees or not...it will remain true...True does not depend logic...
.How can u defend how much u love...U caanot even put a word...there may be thousand books on love ...But ur experience of love would be yours only...It is intangible..Love does not know logic.Logics r like prostitute..There is no difference between logic and prostitution...How logic can defend an illogical experinces...
Today there are growing no of people in developing atheism..An atheism exist because of theism only.It is due to holding only ASHES OF THE FIRE RATHER THAN FIRE....

Cheer body....
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San
written by Muslim & Proud , March 20, 2012
One of my experiences of uniqueness is the Holy Qur'an.

Please apply your theory and explain how it is possible that the Holy Qur'an is dependant on anything else?

I am waiting for your explanation.
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written by san , March 20, 2012
>>>>One of my experiences of uniqueness is the Holy Qur'an.
I am asking of experiences of being yourself. Not anything else....
I am saying repeatedly. Probably due to my bad English skill, not able to communicate u properly.

U don't know about your experiences..U r not able to detach yourself from u.
I am not talking about your ego...your conditioning...I am talking about u.

When ur ego drops then the experience of your remaining is to be stated.

I donot know whether u r able to get it or not...

How u can experience the Holy book..U cannot..U will never..U still guarding your ashe of the fire..U r still conditioning.U r talking about FIRE by guarding the ash..

>>I am waiting for your explanation.
>>>>Holy Qur'an is dependant on anything else?
Right now this book is HOLY because of you.It depends on U(as per your understanding till now). I repeatedly telling you a word u r saying HOLY depends on UNHOLY.....If there is no UNHOLY then why HOLY WILL EXISTS...In same way....if u r saying u r an atheist...and being athiest, there must be thiesm...This is very simple....I am not talking about the content of any book...Whatever may be the content ...it is now your ego.....Whatever it will be written it is an ash....They are only symbols as of now...Because u r not experienced yourself being yourself....Where I has been dropped....

I donot know the above sentences making sense to u or not...

Or probably u r not able to frame the right questions to me...U r saying same thing...I am repeatedly saying the same thing....I was taking your examples only to make it simple..But probably due to bad english writing skill...i am not able to communicate probably....See..U can start with the thinking for existence of anything...something has to have existence...Becuase anything is dependent on something...To have anything ....something is required........

Please donot bring any book....Leave the book right now....We are talking abou ourselves..Being ourselves only....If u donot experience the one in oneself...How can u feel the OTHER...ie..the HOLY QURAN being ONE...See u seems to be little bit ANTI ISLAMIC...same way christians are anti christ.....or same way jainism are anti JAIN....
Any way this is your life..It was all about u. I was talking about u only...PLEASE UNDERSTAND I WAS TALKING ABOUT U..but probably u r conditioned with the book only...I cannot talk with machine....Where Yourself is gone....ie. again GRIP OF YOURSELF...NOT ABOUT CONDITIONING.....

I am sorry ....I am not able to put the right word to make it simple..

Ok...fine.... Take care budy...Today i am now off ....See on wednesday.....

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To M&P
written by Yibel , March 21, 2012
I think san is trying to say that the word "UNIQUE" doesn't really tell us much of anything. It could mean "uniquely" awful. So awful, in fact, that there is nothing to compare with it in its UNIQUE awfulness. For example:

The Qur'an is UNIQUELY awful as literature goes. So many have written so much that is way way better.

The Qur'an is UNIQUELY awful as an historical narrative because it is incomprehesible without additional outside source material.

It is UNIQUELY awful because it is so absolutely and UNIQUELY useless.

It is UNIQUELY awful because the whole world would be so much better off without it.

The Qur'an is systematically and consistently, the most intolerant, barbaric, bigoted, hatefilled, bloodthirsty, dicriminatory, racist, xenophobic, mysoginistic, homophobic, anti-semitic, anti-atheist/agnostic, anti-science, theocratic, dictatorial, authoritarian... book on the planet!

In fact, it is so awful that it is in a class all by itself. It is indeed unique!

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