A Christian convert's torturous experience with Islam, and how she broke away from the cult of oppression and death alive and returned to her root...
I was born in the U.S. as a Christian, or at least I was called a Christian, as is the tradition of anyone born into the religion of his/her parents. I began going alone to a local Baptist church when I was around ten years old.
The preacher scared me intensely, during one of the Sunday Sermons, when he shook his stern pointer finger right towards me and said I was going to “hell in a hand basket“. He was talking to the entire congregation, but at ten years old and no one there to explain things to me, I felt he was indicating hell for me personally and solely.
I walked reluctantly up the church aisle a few times, between the ages of ten into my early twenties, to make a public profession of faith, more out of fear than understanding. I couldn’t comprehend the concept of some of the doctrine of Christianity, like the Trinity.
It was never explained to me about Jesus being the Word, as John speaks of in his Gospel. I memorized John 3:16 –
“for God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosever believeth in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life”.
I was taught that He was the Son of God, but I really didn’t appreciate or assimilate the true essence of that statement.
My interpretation within the finite walls of my little pea brain, was that God was the mean and vengeful one and Jesus was the loving one who turned the other cheek. The Holy Spirit played no part in my life at all. Since I could never begin to understand His role, I just dismissed that part altogether. I had no inkling of God’s undeniable character and deep and abiding love for me at that time.
I thought I was saved, but my walks up the aisle at church didn’t seem to quite take hold in my life. I would become emotional at a church meeting or revival, but there was never a real change in my heart, nothing lasting. Rather than try to study and pray more in hopes of making sense of it, I turned from religion altogether when I was in my twenties.
My experience in church had become more of an emotional struggle than a spiritual awakening and personal walk with God. It would be years before I tried to even speak to God again. I didn’t think He cared about me at all. I no longer knew what to believe about the differing doctrines in the diverse churches and denominations I tried over that time. The more I saw in church, the more confused and skeptical I became. Church no longer played a role in my life at all. I became totally lost and thrown off balance by life’s circumstances, as I was naïve and perplexed about how to handle the trepidation of life.
I left God at church, and went out to find my own answers and seek my own way. I would later learn that we are all here on this earth for a purpose. That purpose is to worship our Creator, our loving Heavenly Father.
In 1998, I met a Muslim man online in a chat room. He began telling me about Islam. I was so naïve at that time about any and all religions, and as far as I knew, Muslims were the people who worshiped cows. I was completely ignorant on the topic. He promptly set me straight, informed me that this is not what Islam is about, and then proceeded to introduce me to a teacher at the Islamic Society of North America in a major U.S. city where I lived. This encounter eventually would lead to a drastic and chaotic chain of events that would forever change my life. The next ten years of my life would give rise to a reign of horror unlike anything I had ever experienced in my life. That horror had a name – Islam.
I was given just enough of the teachings of Islam to be convinced that it was truly a religion of God, a religion of peace. It came at a time in my life when I was looking for spiritual fulfillment from a Higher Power, and definitely a little peace in my life. I believed in God, but that was about it. The Muslims had me at an advantage, because my religious slate was practically clean. They could easily convince me of anything they wanted, and they did.
It should have been a red flag to me that I was forbidden by this teacher to have a Qur’an, or even read it in the beginning, until he approved me to do so. Just the same, I was lured into this cultic fanatical religion based on the facts regarding Islam given to me at that time. Their teachings – first and foremost, Islam is a “religion of peace“.
I was taught that Islam shared the same Prophets as Christianity; the same Abraham, Noah, Moses, David, and even Jesus. Muslims’ belief in creation is the same as Christians in that they believe Adam was the first man born from the spirit of God, and Eve was created as his helpmate. That was pretty much the end of similarities between Christianity and Islam, as I would later learn. These basic beliefs in most of the same Bible characters appealed to me, allowing for a smoother transition and convincing proof for converting to this new religion called Islam.
I had been confused for years about the concept of Christianity’s Trinity, not being able to wrap my head around the idea of it, so I just let it go. Islam took care of that confusion by denying the Trinity altogether, and condemning that belief as a major, unforgivable sin called shirk – having more than one god, or associating partners with God.
Another positive aspect of Islam for me at that time was the idea that all Muslims were considered equal, and no racism supposedly existed under the umbrella of Islam. Racism is something that I had vehemently abhorred most of my life.
An astounding statistic introduced to me was that Islam was the fastest growing religion in America at that time. It was recorded that one fifth of the world’s population were Muslim. I had to wonder why this was the case. What was it about this religion I had never heard of before that was so appealing to so many Americans today, especially women? One reason for this is that Islam teaches that women are important citizens of Islam, being allowed to keep their own name when they marry, as well as their own property, and are to be protected by their male counterparts. Muslim women are to be allowed their freedoms, according to Islamic propaganda. Another reason, besides the “peace” factor, is that Islam advocates giving to the poor and needy. How can such a religion that upholds charity as one of its main tenets of faith be bad?
One major belief held by Muslims is that Jesus is not the Son of God. One who holds the belief that Jesus indeed is the Son of God is called a kafr or infidel, according to Islam. This was the hardest part of Islam for me to swallow. I had a difficult time letting go of that long-held Christian belief about Jesus, but was eventually convinced with traditional Islamic propaganda that Jesus wasn’t the Son of God as the so-called kafr’s believe, but indeed was highly respected by Muslims as “one of the mightiest messengers of God” and a major prophet of Islam, bringing the message of the Oneness of God to the Israelites by way of the Injil, or the Gospel.
Muslims also deny that Jesus indeed died on the cross, believing instead that Judas Iscariot died in his place, and Jesus was ascended up to Heaven. It took a while for me to be convinced that Jesus was not the Son of God, but rather a messenger for God to the people of Israel only.
According to Islam, all prophets came with the same message, preaching One True God – Allah. Four prophets came with Holy Books – Moses brought the Torah for his people, David came with the Psalms for his people, Jesus with the Injil, or the Gospels, for the Israelites, and Muhammad, the final messenger of Allah, the Qur’an, for all mankind. They strongly believe and teach that the Bible has been corrupted, and only parts that coincide with the Qur’an are accurate.
Once I fell for the lies and manipulation, I began attending the Islamic class, and converted to the religion the following month. I was treated like royalty; waited on hand and foot, invited to various homes, made to feel extremely important, and completely accepted, like I had never experienced before in my life. What human being wouldn’t be enticed by that sort of special treatment, especially if you are longing for that sense of belonging and persistent yearning to be loved and accepted by your peers. Hence the reason for so many cults these days. Parents and teachers should beware of these dangers.
Eventually I was assigned a ‘wali’, which, for a convert, is sort of like a step-father. My wali just happened to be the Pakistani teacher of the Islamic class in the city where I lived. During that same time, it became a foregone conclusion that I should marry, as it is an important part of the religion.
I met and married a Palestinian Muslim man from the class a few months later. He seemed very kind, loving, and thoughtful, at least at first. As soon as we were married, within the first week, everything changed. He no longer was kind, but became extremely controlling, overbearing and quite physically and verbally aggressive toward me. I was immediately ordered to begin wearing Islamic clothing any time I would leave my home, which included to work. He would show up at my job to make sure I was wearing traditional Islamic dress, which included a hijab (head scarf), and he insisted that I wear no makeup, perfume or jewelry.
I was not to talk to any men at all, even friends I had before we were married. My husband was extremely jealous. He, however, used ‘dawah’ (spreading of Islam) to collect emails from women. He met a myriad of unsuspecting females in the grocery stores, all in the name of Islam, despite the fact that Islamic law prohibits men from looking into the eyes of a woman who is not his wife, or be alone with them. He always used Islam to capture their attention, citing that he wanted to “save them from the hellfire”.
It was only within a few months that I became completely isolated from all my prior friends and ultimately my family as well. I was not allowed to go shopping or do any of the fun things I had done before, like seeing movies or going to the beach. I was denied to have any collectibles, and to have any pictures of my family on the walls was forbidden. I was often called stupid, crazy, dog, and a few other choice names. I was berated and told that I was weak-minded, that I needed him, that I couldn’t make it without him, that no one in the world cared about me or loved me. What little confidence I had became completely shattered.
I was instructed to memorize verses from the Qur’an and to read the entire book each month, which I did faithfully. I was strongly advised also to read and write Arabic, as Allah would not accept my prayers if I did not pray them in Arabic, which was the chosen language of God. I read the hadiths (sayings and teachings of Muhammad) daily, and gave my husband a report on what I learned. Most of the teachings he had never heard of before, as he obtained most of his knowledge about Islam from the Imam at the local mosque. It is quite a familiar scene to find Muslims, especially women, who are not educated about the teachings and beliefs of Islam. Oftentimes, as was in my case, the converts became better teachers of the religion due to the fiery fervor they exude in relation to their newfound faith.
I was often whisked off to churches and other sites to speak to Christians and Americans in general about Islam, and show them that a blue-eyed, blond-haired American woman believed in Muhammad and Islam, so they should too.
Basically, I was used to help spread their propaganda and win souls into the fold of Islam. I was used to teach new Muslim women the five daily prayers and the basics of Islam, and eventually became a scholar of sorts for the women in the Islamic community. In general, women of Islam are not encouraged to study their own religion, yet American converts are pushed to the forefront, in the hopes of getting more converts to embrace Islam.
Once I was showing my husband some revealing negative stories and aspects about Muhammad from these hadiths. One story read that Muhammad had a couple killed for rejecting Islam, despite the religion’s teaching that there is no compulsion in religion.
Another hadith is about a non-believing woman who was married to a Muslim man. She was saying all sorts of evil things against Muhammad. Her husband killed her; Muhammad was grateful to him and appreciated his actions. Muhammad ordered his men to kill all non-believers, I.e., Jews and Christians (People of the Book), as well as Pagans.
Muhammad married one of his wives, Aishah, when she was six years old, consummating the marriage when she was nine years old. When she was older, she often complained when Muhammad would compare women to dogs or donkeys. When I shared these stories from the Islamic books with my husband, he accused me of “trying to shake” his faith, or that the “Jews must have planted” these awful stories in his own Islamic books.
Shortly thereafter, I made the mistake of saying something that he didn’t like. He beat me so badly that I could barely sit for a full week. Many times I tried to leave, but when I attempted, he would pull my hair, throw me to the ground and call me names. I was told that I was no good, and that no one cared about me except him. He convinced me that I would never make it on my own. Never in my life have I felt so alone and hopeless.
On September 11, 2001, I was completely and utterly devastated, as were all Americans, and even the entire world. If you were old enough to remember that tragic event, you remember exactly what you were doing on that horrific day that forever changed the lives of every American for all time.
I was teaching third and fourth grade at an Islamic School. One of the other teachers, who was an American convert married to a Saudi Muslim man and had seven children, came running to tell me what had happened. At first, I thought, how sad that a plane hit a building in New York. A few minutes later, she came running back to tell me that a second plane hit the second tower, and that it was apparently intentional. I became terrified and wondered what was happening in my world, just as millions of other citizens were wondering the same thing. My husband became defensive when I questioned him about these terrorists being Muslims, telling me that no Muslim could do this, believing that it had to have been the Jews who were responsible.
His hatred for the Jews was unwavering. When I asked him why he hated them so disdainfully, he stated, "I’ll have to get back with you on that". In other words, he had no answer without speaking with the Imam first.
After the 9/11 tragedy, I really began having misgivings about this marriage, as well as about the religion of Islam. The day after this horrific terrorist attack on our homeland, he ordered me to dress in full Islamic clothing and paraded me around at the local U.S. Post Office. I begged him not to make me do this. I felt he did this only for show. He wanted people (Americans) to see me like this for his own wicked and twisted agenda. It was as though he wanted to flaunt it in their faces. I was terrified of how I would be treated after such a devilish ordeal the day before.
The next few years were not good ones for our marriage and my faith. I no longer had any faith to speak of. For one thing, I could not understand why God/Allah, would not accept my prayers unless I said them in Arabic. It seemed to me to be a lot of ritualistic acts with some head knowledge, devoid of any heart connection with God at all. To me, this didn’t seem right. I began doubting that Islam was really the truth from and about the God that I knew as a child and young adult. I started to veraciously soul search, but didn’t exactly know how to begin or where to turn.
I read a book by Ibn Warraq, “Why I Am Not A Muslim”. I went to different sites all over the internet, trying to find out what would make a Muslim want to leave Islam. I was looking for a good excuse to leave, even though I no longer had faith in Islam at all. I was looking for help, a way out. I also began corresponding with renowned Egyptian activist and author Nonie Darwish. She had converted to Christianity after being born Muslim, and having a father in the Fedayeen, who died a martyr when she was young.
Nonie sent quite a number of convincing emails to encourage me to leave this religion and my unhappy marriage to a man who had no respect for me as a human being, much less his wife.
In 2004, I finally left him with strong encouragement from my now grown children. It was a very difficult thing to do, because I had absolutely no confidence in myself to accomplish any task without his help. I couldn’t do anything on my own and feel good about it because I had been told how ignorant I was for so long that I completely believed every word he had said to me for all those years.
I had to sneak away while he was at work because I was terrified of my husband. I had no idea what he might be capable of. He considered this apostasy a betrayal towards him personally.
While living away from him, my tires were slashed. I called AAA, and the guy told me the tires were deliberately cut. My husband had his friends call me constantly to go back with him. I broke down and went back home to him after a short while. Even though I had been away from him for a six-month time, he still had me mentally in his grips.
In 2006, I really began soul searching and praying for God to show me the truth. I was feeling so hopeless at this point, that I didn’t even want to live any more. I literally begged God for death. I wanted to die in the worst way. I prayed to Him day and night, begging for His mercy and His forgiveness and His help. I told Him that if I couldn’t find the truth, I would rather die than to go on living the life I now believed to be untruths regarding Islam.
I couldn’t bear to hear any longer of how Christians would go to hell for making partners with God, but yet suicide bombers were martyrs, and would enjoy their 72 beautiful virgins in Paradise. I could no longer stand it when my husband would tell me that it was a good thing that a Jewish baby had been killed by Palestinians so he wouldn’t grow up and become a Jewish man. I couldn’t allow myself to listen to another absurd word from an Imam stating matter-of-factly how wonderful and blessed the 9/11 terror attack was. How wonderful and blessed? Are you kidding me? The mindset of some of these people now in my life was simply mind boggling.
My husband told me on numerous occasions that I would only be allowed to go to Paradise if he was pleased with me. For me, making that man happy was an impossible feat at this point in life. I could no longer pretend, as I had done for the past few years, that I believed in a god named Allah or his prophet Muhammad, who was evil incarnate.
I could no longer stand behind my husband and in all earnest pray to a god that didn’t hear me because I couldn’t pray in Arabic. I was finished with all the five daily prayers, dressing in Middle Eastern garb, and going to the mosque to listen to senseless rhetoric and irrational and foolhardy propaganda against my beloved country and its people.
I was finished with the unrelenting thirty-day fasts that caused excruciating bladder infections, bleeding stomach ulcers, and exceeding resentment, all done in vain for a man who had no respect for women, who followed and believed in a pedophilic, murdering false prophet with a hijacked religion called peace, backed up with a little made up god named Allah, also previously known as Allat, the moon god, who had no power to begin with.
I had been cut off from the Islamic community years prior because of my lack of faith in Islam and Allah and Muhammad. More than once I asked why they worship and follow after this dead guy. This, by the way, was not advisable conversation to have with devout Muslims.
Something in me told me to go back to my roots, back to the beginning when I had a little faith. Fearfully and tearfully I began going to church. I was afraid of what my husband might do if he found out, but I was also afraid I would go to hell for doubting the way I was, and for trying to worship God the wrong way by doing shirk (making partners with God). I literally shook over my entire body the first visit to church.
The first person I met was a very tall, friendly woman who could clearly sense my anxiety and apprehension, albeit she had no clue what was happening in my life. She came to me and put her loving arms around me as though she really cared, despite the fact she had never seen me before in her life. I could feel the power of God in this place. Everyone was so kind and nice and gentle, and real.
As she walked with me to show me where the worship center was, I told her a bit about my past few years and my involvement with Islam. This was my last best hope. I needed God more than I needed air to breathe.
This sweet and precious lady led me to a seat in the back of the church, per my request, in case I felt the need to run out. She promised to come for me and to walk me to a ladies class after the service.
I was worried that the devil might be in this place, as I had been taught in Islam. I was afraid that being in this church might cause me to be a kafir (unbeliever), and I definitely had enough faith to know I didn’t want to go to hell for being in a church with other kufar (unbelievers).
I sat in a chair all alone in the worship center, yet I didn’t feel alone at all, but excited and extremely anxious, watching people connect with one another in a positive, loving manner, unlike the fighting I so frequently saw in the mosque. I saw husband caress the back of his beloved wife, and I saw neighbor reach out to neighbor in a friendly gesture, as they embraced one another in a way that seemed so genuine....
After the service, the tall lady came back to get me just as promised, and together we went to the Ladies Sunday School class to learn more. These ladies were the most accepting and loving group of ladies I had encountered in many, many years. The women I was used to at the mosque would push you and fight you for a meal during Ramadan. These ladies in the Sunday School class seemed like they would give you anything they had, and genuinely feel like they were blessed to do it.
I was very happy, yet nervous to be there, but I knew in my heart, it would not be my last visit to this wonderful and caring place. There was something there that I needed tremendously – hope.
I did indeed go back to that precious church with those kind and caring ladies in the class. At first, I would tell my husband I was going somewhere else that he would approve of. It didn’t take him long to figure out something was going on. The church knew about me, so they were being very discreet, never calling me at my home, but encouraged me to call them when it was safe and I was able to do so. Even then, these wise ladies knew the dangers that loomed around me during this pivotal time of my life.
The giveaway was that I had a newfound joy! God was changing my heart, and the Holy Spirit was leaping up and down in my gut, even though at the time I had no clue what was happening! I began to understand God and His precious love for me and all people, even Muslims.
The change didn’t happen overnight though. It took hours and hours, days and days, weeks and weeks of diligent seeking and earnest prayer. I would lock myself in my bedroom so I wouldn’t be discovered studying the Bible and researching old Biblical manuscripts on the internet.
God had to first convince me that the Bible was His Word, true and infallible. In Islam, I was taught, along with my husband, to tear the Bible apart, looking for inconsistencies. I believed, like he did, that the Bible was corrupted......
I believed and accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior, converted back to Christianity and had an overwhelming desire to be baptized to show the world that I was a believer, that Jesus was my Savior, that He died for my sins, and that He loved me and knew me before the world was.....
By that time, I could no longer keep my new faith a secret. I began talking about it, in the hopes that my husband would be saved too, and that we could worship God together in a loving way like I had witnessed other couples in the church do. That wasn’t to happen. He became a nightmare.
He began to terrorize me mentally and emotionally. He told me I would be sorry if I went through with the baptism. He spit in my face and said, “If you do this, you will be in danger”. I took this threat very literally. I warned my family that if anything happened to me, he did it!
I prayed for his salvation and that God would open his heart and the eyes of his understanding. I wanted him to experience the awesomeness of God. I wanted salvation for him too, and I prayed fiercely for it, but it just didn’t happen. He would not even listen to my explanation of how I came to realize the truths about God. He wanted no part of it.
I asked him so many times to just pray to God, ask God to reveal to him anything that was not truth. He was arrogant about it, and refused to discuss it any further with me, but only became argumentative, telling me that it would be better for me to not believe anything at all, rather than to believe Jesus is God’s Son.
I went through this for about a year. I had to get out because I felt my husband was right when he said I was in danger. Not that I was afraid of what he could do to me physically, but rather most importantly, that my spirit would be harmed, and my faith would dwindle. My spiritual growth was at risk of being stunted.....
My husband was not willing for me to live with him under these circumstances. He made it adamantly clear that I was not wanted unless I was a Muslim wife and I gave up all ideas of Jesus being the Son of God.
That was all I needed. I had prayed for him long and exhaustively, but he wouldn’t budge. I felt God gave me permission to leave. It was time to take a stand for what I believed in. It was time to confess loudly and proudly to this man that I did and would forever believe that Jesus, the Son of God, the God gave me the confidence and the strength and the means to do what needed to be done, but He made it so easy for me, and confirmed that what I was doing was completely His perfect will. My husband not only signed the paperwork for an uncontested divorce, but he bought me a new car, and paid for my move to a new apartment.....
...My prayer is that God will use me to hopefully save some women from the same torment I went through. I considered myself to be one of the lucky ones because I got out alive. I don't call that luck. Now I call it BLESSED!
This is a truncated version of testimony that first appeared in Former Muslims United.
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written by Steve , December 13, 2009
written by ChrisLA , December 13, 2009
written by Truth Detector , December 13, 2009
No, Islam isn't the "religion of peace." That is the biggest and cruelest lie in the world. But you can expect it if the lie comes from an evil Muslim.
No, the destruction of the towers at the World Trade Center was not a "Jewish conspiracy." George Bush also didn't have anything to do with that. That destruction had all the earmarks of Muslims practicing their religion. It's easy to prove: Do Catholics commit suicide in order to murder innocent people? No way. Do Protestants commit suicide in order to murder innocent people? Not a chance. What about Jews? Not a chance. Hindus or Bhuddists? Also not a chance. You see, Cindy, only Muslims are stupid enough to commit suicide in order to murder innocent people. In fact, Muslims do it every day. They even deliberately commit suicide to murder their own people. Yes, only evil Muslims are stupid enough to do this. Did you know that evil Muslims invented the Suicide Bomber? And they're the only creatures that commit suicide bombing raids.
Evil Muslims have a warped brain. They actually believe they will meet 72 virgins in their mythical paradise. Isn't that stupid? Their god Satan, the Muslims call him Allah, has really bamboozled these stupid creatures. And the Muslim queers think that they'll receive 28 prepubescent pretty little boy queers if they murder innocent people for Satan/Allah. Incredible but true.
written by Atheist Reader , December 13, 2009
written by straight up , December 13, 2009
This is always in the male fantasy realm for muslim men and they don't wish to lead the way. Too bad. The worship of the penis will only bring them to their own destruction.
written by Kohi , December 14, 2009
written by LASHKER EEI TOIIBA , December 14, 2009
why mullas dont send thier sons to be suicide bombers ???
surely they want their songs to get virgins soon dont they ???
why they want others do suicide bombing ???
why not themself or their sons ??
bcoz they know pisslam is fake and allah is 100% imaginary.
they r milking the public and i hope their game ends soon.
written by Machmoed elchalid , December 14, 2009
And if you marry 4 women; just become a terrorist!! it's the easiest way to get rid of them and the fastest way to have a lot of heavenly virgins............if the arabs knew virgins, they would see this isn't a gift but rather punishment. Especially when my penis would stay erected eternal.....what about rest in peace?
written by wondering , December 14, 2009
The Muslim's claim that Allah is the God of the Bible and that Islam arose from the religion of the prophets and apostles is refuted by solid, overwhelming archeological evidence. Islam is nothing more than a revival of the ancient Moon-god cult. It has taken the symbols, the rites, the ceremonies, and even the name of its god from the ancient pagan religion of the Moon-god. As such, it is sheer idolatry and must be rejected by all those who follow the Torah and Gospel.
written by Machmoed elchalid , December 14, 2009
written by Clement , December 14, 2009
written by Truth Detector , December 14, 2009
Machmoed elchalid, Christians and Muslims usually do not debate. We already know where the Muslims stand. The evil Muslims want to kill, kill, kill. Christians would rather just have peace, but Muslims don't desire peace with anyone, not even with each other. Don't you keep up with the news? As I write, Muslims are persecuting Christians, Jews and even other Muslims. The Muslim Sunnis are plotting to murder Muslim Shiites. The Muslim Shiites are plotting to murder Muslim Sunnis. Islam is a killing machine that's out to murder everyone.
On the other hand, the Catholic Church is out to help others. The Catholic Church alone uses its wealth to help mankind. It owns more than 300,000 hospitals, clinics, orphanages, Burn Centers, institutions for the Aged, First and Primary Schools, colleges, universities and more. The Catholic Church hires millions to work in these institutions, even atheists. We Catholics may not be perfect, but we do try to better the world. Protestant Christians, at least many of them, also try to better the world with their fine institutions. Machmoed elchalid, what I'd like to see is for atheists to put their resorses together and build just one, JUST ONE, hospital for the benefit of all mankind. Wouldn't that be nice? By the way, haven't you noticed all the fine Catholic institutions that I mentioned above?
Of course, I would also like to see Muslims throw their damnable Qur'an into the toilet, and take up Christian causes. That killing machine, Islam, has to be stopped before it stops all of mankind. I wish that the nice Muslims could understand that they are not real Muslims. The nice Muslims are not practicing the evils of Islam. I wish they could understand that. And I wish that all atheists could understand that not all religions are evil. In fact, real Christians take Jesus to heart and try to abide by his teachings: "Cure the sick;" "Feed the hungry;" "Clothe the naked." Machmoed, haven't you noticed? Why not join us so that we can better our world?
written by duh_swami , December 14, 2009
I think an individual can accomplish that without Christianity...There are 72/3 different sects of Islam, there are a similar number of the Christian...Which one is right? Why do they fight among themselves? Everyone claims they know the truth, but when they try to explain it, it is not the truth at all...It is merely someones opinion...It's not Christianity or Islam that will make the world a better place...It is Algore, and his chief operating agent Hussien Obama...
Little known about Algore is his large number of inventions...He invented the internet, love, global warming, carbon credits, air planes, auto's, television, the modern flush toilet, and best of all, Algore invented beer...It's called 'Algores Love Brew'...Algore is god...only he deserves to be worshipped...
written by Walter Sieruk , December 14, 2009
written by Truth Detector , December 14, 2009
Secondly: What individual has accomplished "that" without Christianty? What are you referring to when you say "that"?
Thirdly: What good did atheistic Nazism and atheistic Communism accomplish to help humanity? I see no difference between these two atrocious ideologies and destructive Islam. The only difference is that Islam is masquerading as a religion and atheistic Communism and atheistic Nazism were not. At least they were honest when they said they were atheists. But when it came to the destruction of human beings, all three destructive ideologies, Islam, Nazism and Communism, were about equal.
I'm still waiting for atheists to build at least one hospital. If a religion like the Catholic religion can build thousands of hospitals, and other fine institutions, why can't atheists build at least one hospital? Atheists don't have a religion, but what do they do to help humanity? Actually nothing. I don't see anything. So it looks like to me that a nice religion does more good than atheists without a religion. I'm still inviting nice atheists to join us that we can help humanity. Just talk, talk, talk and criticizing others doesn't seem to be helping human beings at all. At least some atheists are helping when they work in Catholic hospitals and other Catholic institutions. The Catholic Christian money atheists receive, by working in these institutions, keeps them alive.
The following is a little ditty that atheistic Nazism taught to children: "We are the joyous Hitler youth. Our leader [Hitler] is our savior. The Pope and the Rabbi shall be gone. We want to be pagans once again."
written by duh_swami , December 14, 2009
Swami...Ok, where did I say it was? I guess you are a Catholic so in your estimation, it is the other varieties of Christianity are sects, but not the one true church...
TD...Secondly: What individual has accomplished "that" without Christianty? What are you referring to when you say "that"?
Swami...I think if you actually read these post's you would see I was responding to this: From post above...Why not join us so 'that" we can better our world"?
Swami...Is it your position that the world can only be made a better place by Christianity and Christians?
Thirdly: What good did atheistic Nazism and atheistic Communism accomplish to help humanity?
Swami...I don't know, I stay away from commies and Nazi's...since you seem to know them better than I, why don't you ask them?
TD...I'm still waiting for atheists to build at least one hospital. If a religion like the Catholic religion can build thousands of hospitals, and other fine institutions, why can't atheists build at least one hospital?
Swami...I don't think The Church is the only builder of Hospitals...Do you have any evidence that no hospital was ever built by an atheist?
written by Mohammad.A.Khan , December 14, 2009
written by Palestinian , December 14, 2009
He is a Palestinian and he did not know why he hated the Jews so much. Wow I really believe your story.
written by LASHKER EEI TOIIBA , December 15, 2009
i agree with m.ka.khanji,no religion is better than religion.for muslims
xtian is atheist as he does not belive in latters deity,and vice versa.
so some guy is atheist for another guys god.
i dont believe in any imaginary god/allah,but i accept the fact
that man is not createdby imaginary jehova/allah,from mud/dirt.
man is evoled by nature.so for me nature is god.my god is
not a humanity hater,and does not put preconditions in belief.
huamnity is my ideology and love and compassion for all
and living an ecofriendly life is my goal.
why this cant be a religion ?? it is a better religion that
christianity/islam and all other religion for sure.
no caste,no creed,no race,only peace love,truth,compassion
and ecofriendly lifestyle.
z.a.kaskar [ zak ]
written by Machmoed elchalid , December 15, 2009
Sunday is the day to pray to the sungod (egyptian)...it is the day of the sun! It was like this long before jesus came on earth.
written by duh_swami , December 15, 2009
When churchfathers (catholics) in the past have killed, persecuted millions, it seems tpo me that they had no love as Jesus preeched....don't they believe in him?
The fact is, that as soon as Christianity became the official religion of Europe, Europe crashed into the 'dark ages'...Many of the early Popes were degenerate, morally bankrupt, some were murderers...Rodrigo Borgia, Alexander the 6th is a famous example...The Popes quarters were turned into brothels several times.
Was there something about Christianity to 'caused' these despots to act up?
Did Jesus set the example of Papal prostitution?...
I don't think so...These people were acting in their own interests, not Gods...
They were operating off of egoistic greed, not God's word...In other words, their behaviors were not because of Christianity, but in spite of it...
It is this abandonment of principals, ethics, and morality that allow for these abuses...Selfishly inspired gross materialism...These people were hypocrites...
Not Christians...The recognition of this was what caused Martin Luther to break off and found his own religion...
With Islam, when a Muslim acts up, it is because of Islam, not in spite of it...
The Muslim who does this (jihad etc) is not a hypocrite, but devout...
Jihad is 'obligatory'...Those who refuse this duty die as hypocrites.
...There are no hypocrites in Allah's Paradise...
written by Machmoed elchalid , December 15, 2009
written by Parviz , December 15, 2009
While others may call your story sad and feel sorry for you having gone through such hellish life, lets see what the Lord Jesus says about it in Matthew 5;
Blessed are you Cindy with a poor spirit, for yours is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are you Cindy who mourned, for you will be comforted.
Blessed are you Cindy who are meek, for you will inherit the earth.
Blessed are you Cindy who hungered and thirsted for righteousness for you (were ) and will be filled.
Blessed are you Cindy who showed mercy and prayed for your husband for you will be shown mercy.
Blessed are you Cindy who have a pure heart, for you shall see God.
Blessed are you Cindy who who made peace, for you will be called the daughter of God.
Blessed are you Cindy who were persecuted because of righteousness, for yours is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are you Cindy when people insulted you, persecuted you and falsely said all kinds of evil things against you because of Jesus, rejoice and be glad , because great is your reward in heaven, for the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
Dear Cindy, the Lord has and will bless you abundantly and through all the hardship He has prepared you to love Him more and be defender of Jesus whenever His name is tarnished or attacked. He has made you a shining light in the midst of darkness. The Lord is wonderful and His ways are above our ways. He had known all the time how to prepare you to bring the " truth " to the Muslim world.
I know that you are a very well versed and knowledgeable person and know the scriptures well. You may find additional encouragement from the following web site. you can listen to the hundreds of teachings here.
You may need to copy and paste the link in your browser.
http://www.gty.org/Resources/Sermons
May God continue to bless you and the testimony you give about Him.
I left Islam 30 years ago myself !
written by Parviz , December 15, 2009
Your story is so inspiring that makes me think of different scriptures which obviously this in not a place to discus them all, but let me at least mention one.
you remind me of a contemporary Job. Please read the book of Job again. God permitted satan to work havoc in Jobs life. Poor old Job knew nothing of the behind the scene deals that were being made on his behalf. The story goes that God tells satan that no matter what you do to Job he will remain righteous. Do all and anything but don't kill him.
Well, Jobs sons and daughters all die, all his live stock get disease and die, he gets boils on his body. His wife says curse God and die, his best and most trusted friends give similar advice. In 42 chapters of this book Job, his wife, friends and God converse. Job doesn't understand what the heck is going on, but he never bad mouth God. At the very end of the saga, chapter 42, Job tells God:
Then Job replied to the LORD :
2 "I know that you can do all things;
no plan of yours can be thwarted.
3 You asked, 'Who is this that obscures my counsel without knowledge?'
Surely I spoke of things I did not understand,
things too wonderful for me to know.
4 "You said, 'Listen now, and I will speak;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.'
5 My ears had heard of you
but now my eyes have seen you.
6 Therefore I despise myself
and repent in dust and ashes."
Notice verse 5:
My ears had heard of you
but now my eyes have seen you.
Doesn't this remind you of your own story ?
Job saw the " Righteousness of God " and admitted that in himself there was only " unrighteousness ".
And notice verse 12 that his life became even more blessed than before all the calamaties happened to him, all by God's permission !
10 After Job had prayed for his friends, the LORD made him prosperous again and gave him twice as much as he had before. 11 All his brothers and sisters and everyone who had known him before came and ate with him in his house. They comforted and consoled him over all the trouble the LORD had brought upon him, and each one gave him a piece of silver [a] and a gold ring.
12 The LORD blessed the latter part of Job's life more than the first.
May the Lord keep you and bless your ways, always.
written by straight up , December 15, 2009
Because they have given up the spiritual for the carnal, they do many inhuman deeds. Islam has robbed people of everything worthwhile.
The god of carnal lust, which is Islam, has even robbed women of the sun on her face or the wind in her hair. Things so basic and human, yet completely denied to them. The reason for this theft? Because it is all about the male penis and nothing, but nothing else.
These sexually fragile guys need to get over their worship of their penis. Otherwise, they will end up drinking aminal piss. You would think being commanded to drink that would wake them up. But the self love of their penis is great. So, they go to crazy lengths to promote and protect this bogus creed.
written by Machmoed elchalid , December 16, 2009
What I want to say is this: look, we just have the moments of actions while we still alive. On more than that we shouldn’t and can’t claim/demand for more. Wether we are aware of it or not, we are being guided through life by an invisible hand. The road of life is not straight, he has never been straight and never will be. Let us remember that roads are not made to achieve something only, but also for traveling. In our lifecourse we experience weird roads, offroads, rivers that we need to cross over without knowing how to swim and hills- sometimes even mountains- wich we have to move. Sometimes we follow the sun when it’s day or the moon and the stars when it’s cloudless and the night is clear. And yes, we all have moments that we are covered by darkness, that we become depressive and small and that we question the meaning of life and it’s purposes. But don’t we also have moments of joy, love and peace. So cindy life can be beautiful when you know it is. Just like God, life is what it is.
written by Machmoed elchalid , December 16, 2009
Because arabs only know arabic they think God alsoo know and understands just arabic. He was a Palestenian you said? Know you know why the arabs are retarted....their whole life is based on a lie. But actually this is what they told him and it's a pitty he wasn't strong and clever enough to see it's wrong. Good for you to live the way you want and God? If you search for him outside yourself, you're never going to find him....listen and feel within your heart, he is in there, not outside, not in a mosque or a church. Remember what Jesus said: whereever you might search for me, you'll find me...pick up a stone and underneath you shall find me. Jesus never spoke of churches or whatever. Jesus knew that you had to be born again and was a gnosticus. Between God and the individual there is nothing. Not a pope, not a priest, not a church...nothing. This has been added to...but it's not what Jesus preached. If you want to know who or what God is, know thei self for he is you and in you.
I hope you will find the rest you need or maybe you already have founded.
Greetings from the heart,
Machmoed
written by wondering , December 16, 2009
written by Parviz , December 16, 2009
This guy pretends to know everything about everything and is very shallow. I engaged with him once and that will be my last. After my two posts on Cindy's letter, Machmoed all of a sudden became a Christian ( till then he was an atheist !! ) and wrote stuff that is not in the bible. he made up a bunch of stuff as if they were scripture. He said the church is unnecessary and Jesus was against it etc. that we must search inside ourselves. and he was giving this as advise to Cindy. Now Cindy had just said that the love she received in the Church restored her faith.
What rubbish. Paul said there "no good dwells in ourselves" , if so how can we get this good stuff Macmoed is talking about from ourselves. Jesus asked Peter, Peter who do YOU say that I am ? Peter said " You are the Christ, the Son of the living God " and Jesus blessed Peter and replied " Upon this confession I build my Church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it ". So, this guy makes his own scriptures and says the Church is unnecessary and says it is in the bible. Yes, the physical building is unnecessary, but Church is anywhere where 2 or 3 gather in Jesus' name. Cindy went to a Church because she knew it was a place that Christians gathered and she could be ministered to, and the Holy Spirit ministered to her. Apostle Paul says " Do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit ? " Imagine all these folks filled with the Holy Spirit in one place, call it Church, or as in the first century call it an Assembly. It is necessary to gather together to corporately worship God, and to encourage each other, as Cindy was encouraged.
Keep away from these people who twist and misquote the Word of God. Jesus' word is " don't cast your pearls to the swine ". what we have been given is the gift of discernment. what I write on these sites are quotation of the Scriptures, I write little of my own opinions. In Christianity there are Doctrines, and there are Opinions. Doctrines are unchangeable. Opinions are not worth much. I do not argue, do not any more engage in back and forth discourse. Only use the Word Of God which is like " A Two Edged Sword ". And tell these folks, that this world is not about you, it is about God, He is the One who made us and put us here, for what purpose ? to worship Him. This is His court and His ball game, get used to it. You are a piece of clay, here today and gone tomorrow, don't think too highly about your own wisdom because at the end, it don't matter one little bit.
written by Parviz , December 17, 2009
Cindy's testimony was the best evangelical writing I have read in a long time, whether she know it or not it talks to the Muslim community much better than Sina or Khan have done, and most importantly, it magnifys the Lord which no one else has done in such a down to earth and simple way .
But amazingly no one recognized it or wrote anything about that part of it. Everyone is so busy to write and show off their own ego. People went off tangent and wrote as if they never read her letter. On these sites the arguments go round and round no matter what the subject is. No one wrote as how God was in all of it on her behalf, how He heard her cries and the longing of her heart for peace and normalcy , how He comforted and protected her in the midst of her trials when she encountered abuse for so many years . What the Holy Spirit did in the midst of her situation, what glory God gets from it all. How God brought her back to Himself, restored her dignity and gave her peace. God loves His children and Jesus said " I never forsake you ", and how He used her to write this letter to the ungodly Muslim world . There was no mention of God's work in all of the these comments . Why is it that we are so self centered and think that we do all things in our own power and shut God out of our lives ? Cindy humbled herself in the presence of the Lord and He honored her .
Some statements in the comments are so anti scriptural, so wrong.
My friend, we got to stand against fallacious statements where the gospel is twisted and misquoted. I don't think that Jesus or any of His disciples pleaded or argued with the opposition. The Lord ordered his disciples that " if you are not accepted anywhere shake off the dust of your sandals and walk away ". There is no talk of force to convert any one as it is the way of Islam. The conversion come as a result of love for the Lord and not by intimidation or the sword of Islam. However, Jesus fought the religious hypocrites during the entire 3 years of His earthly ministry. Apostle Paul warned Timothy to be careful of those who will come after him and misrepresent the gospel. Zeal without knowledge is spiritually deadly ( Romans 10 :2 ). Paul's first recorded encounter with a false religious teacher was with Elymas Bar-Jesus, see what he told him (in Acts 13:10-11) ; "You are a child of the devil and an enemy of everything that is right ! You are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery. Will you never stop perverting the right ways of the Lord? Now the hand of the Lord is against you. You are going to be blind, and for a time you will be unable to see the light of the sun." and the guy went blind for a few months !!
So, my dear friend, be on your guard with those who twist everything and distract you from real ministry.
Dear friend, sorry I went on so long, but I enjoy chatting with you even through writings.
For now all my best to you. God keep you and use you in a mighty way,
written by Machmoed elchalid , December 17, 2009
Parviz,
Who told you i became a christian. I am an secular humanist. Where did you get the information that i had become a christian. I wrote something that it's not in the bible....come on man....Why would i write something that's in the bible....the bible is not important to me....life is. I suppose the bible is the only book or thing you read. Is it a lie to search for God within your self.....don't be like sheep. Think and think again. I was trying to give a solid filosofic thought about life to Cindy and had nothing to do with Christ or God...it's life...get over it. I'm not against you or against Christ...you need to know what i'm trying to do...for me talking about God is ofcourse subjective, just like Jesus, Muhammad etc. We only believe they have existed and they might have existed, but there is no evidence and never was. You speculate a lot without any proof and what i wrote, is scientiffacly rational and there is evidence for what i'm talking about. Where did Jesus judge anyone, anything. When did jesus spewed hatred. So to me, you are not a christian like christ taught my friend. It seems you're insulted but you are forgetting that you insult a lot of others. Like Christ told you: Don't do to others what you don't want to happen to you. How come i'm not insulted by whatever....to me you can say everything....they are your thoughts..why? i know my God and noone can come in between...even christ can't! but it's hard to understand, i suppose.
written by lw1 , December 18, 2009
written by Cindy Hayes , December 19, 2009
Thanks,
Cindy Hayes
written by Jai Babu , December 21, 2009
Good that you have put your horrors behind you and are moving on with life. But the sad fact is that Life begins with sexual conception and ends with death, hence there is no paradise, no hell, no afterlife or no god! Most religions are an organized business,surviving on the labors of the so called faithful. Greatest evils have been committed by belivers of all religion right from
pagan times of human sacrifice to burning witches at the stake or burning widows in ancient india or the modern rabid islamists. The best way to find inner peace is to lead a life without harming any other fellow human being.
written by Machmoed elchalid , December 22, 2009
written by Machmoed elchalid , December 22, 2009
Why would you reply with: i hope u rot in hell.
I know you're not a christian Zed...c'ze christians believe in hell and they know it's like hell to be in hell. Are you angry with me Zed...just for what i believe....hmmm...some muslims and the likes of you must be brothers to be hatred like this. Now i've trully experienced the love of God....NOT!
written by Parviz , December 22, 2009
Thanks for your last post in which you clearly spelled out in so many words that your salvation, joy, peace, hope and the love you have in your heart and being is all based on the person of Jesus Christ, and not on a "religion".
While all world religions are based on some laws, teachings, things to do and not to do, like 5 daily prayers, fasting, Hajj, Zakat, etctra, your life in your case is based on nothing but only on your faith and trust in Christ and Him alone, and you called Him your Rock and foundation.
People, like Jai Babu who wrote a comment above, are correct in saying that religions are the problem. I wish they would read how Jesus fought the religious experts from the very first week of His 3 years ministry ( when He drove the merchants and the money changers from the temple grounds ) till His last day on earth, and would see how it was these supposedly top devout Jewish Council men who condemned and crucified Him.
Jesus did not ask folks to follow a " religion " . He demanded only 2 things and all His teachings, all the things He did was to show us how to do these 2 things, which are : 1 ) Love God with the totality of your being ; and 2 ) love each other.
I do not see how any human being, whether atheist or of other beliefs can object to these 2 things. All the folks who call themselves " humanists "on this web site, talk about love and peace. Well, that was what Jesus was all about.
As you said, we all fail to meet the "Godly Standard". We all have done , said, and behaved in ways we are not proud of. And that's why Apostle Paul says in his letter to the Roman Church that " we ALL have sinned and fallen short of the God's Glory ( standard ) " , and that " the wages of sin is death " . Jesus forgives us our sins and gives us eternal life. He can forgive sin because of the incredible and astounding claim He made that He was God. He said " if you have seen me you have seen the Father ", " I am in the Father and He is in Me ", " I and the Father are One" ; " No one goes to the Father than by Me ", " I Am The Way, The Truth, and The Life " . No being ever, in the entire human history has talked such, and that demands our attention, and our getting to know what Jesus is all about.
If any one wishes to read more about who Jesus really was, read what those who lived with Him day and night for 3 years said about Him. To do that please go to the following web site, where you can read in 35 languages, all about Him.
Copy and paste the following link in your browser, and type the name of Gospel's author, like John, Mark, Luke or Matthew, and choose the language you feel most comfortable to read in.
http://www.biblegateway.com/
Thank you again.
written by Question , December 26, 2009
These say no:
http://apostasyandislam.blogspot.com
http://www.loonwatch.com/2009/09/apostasy
These say yes:
http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/14231/apostasy
http://formermuslimsunited.ame...n-apostasy
Who is right?
written by servant , December 27, 2009
written by Sufi Tolerance Myth , December 27, 2009
"...Sufi Natthar Wali of Tiruchirapalli (Tamil Nadu) “It is said that in ancient days Trichila, an execrable monster with three heads, who was a brother of Rawan, with ten heads, had the sway over this country. No human being could oppose him. But as per the saying of the Prophet, ‘Islam will be elevated and cannot be subdued’, the Faith took root by the efforts of Hazarat Natthar Wali. The monster was slain and sent to the house of perdition. His image namely but-ling worshipped by the unbelievers was cut and the head was separated from the body. A portion of the body went into the ground. Over that spot is the tomb of the Wali, shedding rediance till this day.”
Sufi Shah Bheka “Shah Bheka… when he was at Trichinopoly during the days of Rani Minachi, the unbelievers who did not like his stay there harassed him. One day when he was very much vexed, he got upon the bull in front of the temple, which the Hindus worship calling it swami, and made it move on by the power and strength of the Supreme Life Giver… They abandoned the temple and gave the entire place on the aruskalwa as present to the Shah.” (this is during a time when the Muslim faction in court politics was dominant)
Sufi Qãyim Shah “Qayim Shah[…]was the cause for the destruction of twelve temples. He lived to an old age and passed away on the 17th Safar AH 1193.”
Sufi Nur Muhammad Qadiri of Vellore (Tamil Nadu) “Hazarat Nur Muhammad Qadiri was the most unique man regarded as an invaluable person of his age. Very often he was the cause of the ruin of temples. Some of these were laid waste. He selected his own burial ground in the vicinity of the temple. Although he lived five hundred years ago, people at large still remember his greatness.”"
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