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Saudi Woman Challenges Allah on Polygamy

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A Saudi Muslim woman, quite incredibly, has demanded polyandry for women to match with polygamy for men in Islam. It not only challenges Muslim claim that Islam gives true rights and equality to women but also a divine institution of Islam. When the demand comes from the pen of a Saudi woman, beloging to the community of worst-oppressed Muslim women by Islam in the world, it would seem that good times for the oppressed Muslim women may be in the horizon at long last...


To Muslims, and even to some non-Muslim apologists, Islam is the only religion that has given women their due rights, equality and dignity. It can’t be otherwise: How can then Islam, as Muslims claim, be the perfect, the best and the final religion of God?

And Muslim women got due equality and rights alongside men despite the fact that (a) Muslim women have no individuality and independence for themselves as Allah has placed them under the charge of men, who may beat them or deal with as the wish, not vice versa [Quran 4:34]; (b) women are worth only half the men [Quran 2:282]; (c) women can inherit only half that of men (i.e. brothers inherit double that of sisters) [Quran 4:11,4:176]; (d) women are same as slaves and camel, according to an authentic sacred tradition of the prophet [Dawud 11:2155]; and many other such gross discriminations and injustices.

While these references from Islam’s sacred texts make it clear that Muslim women, far from being equal, are an inferior being to men, the grossest of indignity that Allah has reserved for them is His allowing Muslim men only to marry up to four women at a time [Quran 4:3, 70:29-33, 4:24], meaning that a woman is worth only one quarter  that of a man.

And that’s not enough, Allah the barbarian par excellence even allowed men, on top of taking four wives, to keep unlimited number of sex-slaves, who can be procured, according to Allah’s sanction [Quran 33:50], by attacking non-Muslim communities and wholesale enslavement of their women. Notably, Prophet Muhammad himself, when became powerful, had captured women of the tribes of Quraiza, Khaybar, Mustaliq and Hawazin etc. after attacking those communities and slaughtering their men.

While it would sounding utterly idiotic to seek to find equality between men and women or high dignity to women sanctioned in Islam, it is easy to say that Allah, the man-god, the alter-ego of Muhammad, has rewarded Muslim men richly at the expense of women. For fourteen centuries, Muslim women have suffered under the degrading status and treatment at the hands of men as per sanctions of the Islamic God.

But no unjust system, whether sanctioned by a purported God or dictatorial men, can last for ever; the oppressed and wider humanity will rise up and challenge it one day. Many religions have reformed their unjust institutions and doctrines to survive in the modern civilized world, while the tyranny of Hitler or Stalin has been put to rest.

Although Allah’s injustice upon women has lasted fourteen centuries, the oppressed Muslim women have started challenging the unjust status quo of Islam.

As of latest, a Saudi female journalist, Nadin al-Badir, has added voice to well-known courageous critics, namely Taslima Nasrin, Ayan Hirsi Ali, Wafa Sultan and Nonie Darwish et al., against the injustices of Islam.

And al-Badir’s challenge is quite unique, unheard of, coming from a Muslim woman: She has taken on the highly trumped-up Muslim claim, that only Islam gives due rights and equality to women, in an article, published in the Egyptian Al-Masri al-Yaum newspaper, by demanding that Muslim women, like men, be allowed to take multiple husbands. Well, indeed, that would reflect true equality between men and women in Islam.

And why not! Muslims claim that polygamy is allowed to men only, because they only have the ability to support multiple partners financially. But today, many well-educated Muslim women are becoming confident and pursuing rewarding careers, thus, gaining ability to support multiple sex-partners through legitimate income, unlike Muhammad’s and his companion’s barbarous means of earning livelihood through decoity, raids and wars.

I have been told by well-educated Muslims, to support polygamy in Islam, that only men can sexually satisfy multiple sex-partners, not women. While that’s true for certain men, it can well be true of certain women, too. There are prostitutes, predominantly women, all over the world satisfying multiple men on a daily basis. We come across news of gang-rape all the time, more frequently in Islamic countries and communities, in which multiple men get sexual satisfaction from one single woman within a short time. We don’t here gang-rape of men by women; and one wonders how many men will be able to sustain such assaults by multiple women at a time.

The said journalist, for sure, did not earnestly mean to have polyandry for Muslim women, alongside polygamy for Muslim men. Instead, it is obviously an effort to highlight the “unjustness” of Islamic institutions concerning women.

What is stunning is the fact that this demand is coming from the pen of a Saudi woman, the community of Muslim women in the world, worst-affected by the cruel institutions of Islam in the most provocative manner.

Seeking polyandry for women, not for men, is adultery in Islam, which is punished by stoning to death in Saudi Arabia.

If she is living in Saudi Arabia, this column may well bring her death by stoning for questioning an unquestionable divine institution of Islam. This also proves that not all Muslim women, even from Saudi Arabia, are willing to suffer Islam’s gross violation of human rights and equality of women anymore lying low; they are ready, even, to embrace death in order to put an end to Islam’s lasting injustices.

And, quite understandably, the article also elicited angry responses from Muslims, particularly clerics. One Egyptian Member of Parliament, according to BBC, has already filed a lawsuit against the newspaper for publishing the provocative article.

Surprisingly, however, one cleric has also defended the article, saying that it aimed to highlight the sufferings of women under Islam, not than seeking to promote polyandry among them.

Is window of change for Muslim women in the offing? Well it might if voices like al-Badir’s keep joining the growing club of courageous Muslim women, willing to challenge the status quo of Islam’s unjust institutions and doctrines concerning them, some even seeking to put an end to Islam, a scourge of humanity, altogether.

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to saladin,mourad,et al......
written by vbv , December 22, 2009
Atlast,the cat is out of the bag from the cradle of this barbaric cult - Saudi Arabia. Islam does not give any right to woimen ,it oppresses them,it treats them as slaves for men's sexual diversion, they are just child producing machines .... all this is ordained by that bullshit ,fictional character called Allah ,who actually is a 'creation' of that criminal,psychopathsex-pervert Muhamad who calls himself a "prophet". All that is said in the article is not new,but it should be disseminated to everyone,especially women and muslims and other gullible idiots who fall for such frauds.

It is indeed a timely exposure,most welcome.Women actually are worth nothing in islam. A woman raped has to produce 4 male witnesses to prove that she was indeed raped ,or else it is either public lashing or stoning to death for her. Some justice ,indeed... only found in a male chauvinistic ,uncivilised,barbaric societies in the west Asia ,nowhere else.

Islam is not a 'religion' but a criminal mafia cult that thrives on robbery,plunder,loot,rape,sexual exploitation of women and children under the sanction and cover of Quran,the gfilthy barbaric criminal mafia manual!
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to hell with women's rights,we must preserve male rights first
written by LASHKER EI TOOIBA , December 22, 2009



ya allah kutte ka pilla

what is this stupidity muslim women r doing dont they know
they r deficient in intelligence and r under men,and tithe to
be screwed when wanted ??

how dare they ask for equal rights to [ falsehly ] superior
arab / muslim men ???

tauba tauba !!!!!

ya allah kutte ka pilla !!!!!!

these women dont know allah kutte ka pilla ordained
that arab/muslim men r superior ???

these women dotn have any shame,we feed them,clothe
them,use them,and make them bear 12 kids,and still
they want more ????

tomorrow they will ask for 72 hunks in imaginary jannat.

will allah give them this also ????

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One Woman, Four husbands
written by Steve , December 22, 2009
I guess this woman figured out that "what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander"...er, in this case, just the other way around. But hey! she is using some sort of logic here, call it Islamic logic. Ultimately of course, we know this is a rather fragile way to build marital relations. Hmmm...I wonder when her day of stoning arrives? Or is it decapitation? I'm not a Muslim so do not know these finer points of "Allah's law."
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Reply to One Woman, Four husbands
written by tanstaafl (JW) , December 22, 2009
Steve, I imagine that Nadin al-Badir will be considered an apostate. This mandates her death, which can be administered by any member of the ummah (the world wide community of Islamic believers).
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4:34 trumps...
written by duh_swami , December 22, 2009
Good luck getting around Quran 4:34...four husbands just means four times the beatings...
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written by Machmoed elchalid , December 22, 2009
This woman is waking up that's all. This woman starts using her brain. She know it's a lie...now let's hope more people will wake up. God has made some superior to another....it must be true because Allah the moon god said it because his daughters (allilat, Uzza and Manaat) have approved it.
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She must be kidding to make a point.
written by duh_swami , December 22, 2009
This woman has not for seen the consequences of four husbands...If she thinks they will take submissive rolls, she is mistaken...It would not be four men taking care of her, it will be her taking care of four men...They will not cater to her, she will cater to them...and she better do it quick, and be in a good mood while doing it...There is no Quran 4:34 and 1/2...
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Warning To Female Children
written by Truth Detector , December 22, 2009
Dear Little Muslim Female Children, be careful because treacherous male sex perverts are coming after you. No, no, it isn't the Christians who are coming after you. No, no, it isn't the Jews who are coming after you. Sweethearts, if you are between the ages of seven and fifteen, it's the depraved, old Muslim male sex perverts who coming after you, yes, the chauvinistic, dirty Muslim males who want to get into your panties. Their prophet Muhammad did it, so these Muslim male sex perverts think they have the same rights. Paedophile Muhammad even eye-balled little baby girls who were still wearing diapers: Ishaq : 311 -- "The apostle [Muhammad] saw Ummu'l when she was a baby crawling before his feet and said, 'If she grows up, I will marry her." But he [Muhammad] died before he was able to do so." Sweethearts, the Muslim male sex perverts are no different today. Only a depraved person thinks about sex when he sees a little baby girl in diapers. So be careful.

Sweethearts, we in civilized countries can sympathize. We wish we could help you, but we can't help you because you are stuck in a typical backward Muslim Third World Country. As a result, you are in grave danger, and you will suffer at the hands of lecherous, old Muslim male sex perverts. Islam's god Satan, the Muslims call him Allah, is too strong at this point. Some day, at least, it is my hope that we of civilized countries will have the upperhand and come to your rescue.

At presemt there are many Dhimmis who agree with this Muslim barbarity. These Dhimmis do not think ahead. They cannot understand that if Islam wins and rules the world, then the very young female grandchildren of these Dhimmis will also suffer at the hands of Muslim sex perverts. The female grandchildren will cry and curse their forefathers, the Dhimmis, for allowing the tentacles of Islam to rule the day. But Sweethearts, it will be too late. That's why we who love humanity fight relentlessly to crush the dangerous tentacles of Islam before Islam chokes us with their barbarism.

Sweethearts, we know that you cry and beg for mercy when Muslim sadistic perverts mutilate your genitals before you are captured by old Muslim male sex perverts and then forced to "marry" these perverts so that you can be raped time and time again at their leisure. Once Islam and these Muslim male sex perverts have you in their deadly coils, usually there is no way out even if you are seven, eight or nine years old. Sometimes there is a sympathetic Muslim judge that will hear your pleas, but many will not. They force you to go back to the cruelty of Islam to be raped anew. Their explanation is flimsy at best. You see, Sweethearts, according to Islam you must please the Muslim god Satan. The Muslims call him Allah, the Merciful the Compassionate. It's sad that you have to suffer at the hands of unmerciful Sharia Law, the law that comes from the abyss called hell.

The Muslim lechers have their arguments, Sweethearts. They try to convince the world that it is the "custom" to "marry" helpless little Muslim girls as young as seven years of age. But we in the civilized world know that sex craved, old Muslim male sex perverts made it the "custom." These Muslim creatures are obsessed by sex to a point that they don't care who gets hurt, my Little Ones.

It was that sex fiend, dirty old man Muhammad, liar and founder of Islam, "the religion of peace," who initiated this cruel inhumane "custom." This lecherous false prophet Muhammad married Aisha when the child was only six years old, and then raped her at the age of eight years and nine months, according to Muslim historical documents. But, Sweethearts, what can we do in the civilized world? Actually not too much, but we keep trying. We can hope, and we can pray to the God of the Ten Commandments, the God of Love. Some day, things will change and become better. There is always hope. We will crush satanic Islam.

We never pray to the Muslim god Satan, the Muslims call him Allah, because we know that Satan/Allah is the god of hatred, ruin, Muslim sex perverts, cruelty, death and destruction. That's why evil Muslims commit many atrocities day and night. They are guided by their Muslim god, Satan. I wish you didn't have to suffer at the hands of sex craved Muslim male sex perverts. It's a cruel world, Sweethearts, because dirty old Muslim males make it that way. I'm sorry. But mark my word; things will change for the better some day. It's a promise.

May the God of Love bless you, dear Little Muslim Female Children.



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Truth Detector
written by duh_swami , December 22, 2009
That's actually a pretty good lecture...A little emotionally drippy for me but good just the same...Too bad young Muslim girls won't read it...You have to catch young Muslim girls before they get bitter...once bitterness sets in, you are just another filthy kufr talkin sht...
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written by Hooah , December 22, 2009
I think this article places way to much hope on the ability of Islam to become humane. Only thru it's eratication thru intelligent thought will women in Islamic countries gain the same footing as men with respect to human dignity.
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written by Walter Sieruk , December 22, 2009
God gave Adam one wife.
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Only women shopuld be allowed multiple husbands
written by Nancy , December 22, 2009
You go girl. You have a point. If a 60 year old man has six younger wives ,can he make love one after the other and satisfy all of them? I dont think so. After the first one he cannot even get it up right away for the second one. If he is lucky he may be able to service the second one after a while. After that his dick will probably retire for the night leaving the other four high and dry.. While a 60 year old woman can have sex with six younger husbands one after the other without a break satifying all of them with no waiting. Thus Allah screwed up. Quran should be changed to allow women to have multiple spouses not men.
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Nancy...strange math
written by duh_swami , December 22, 2009
Nancy...While a 60 year old woman can have sex with six younger husbands one after the other without a break satifying all of them with no waiting.

What do you mean...'no waiting'...Number 6 has to wait until number 5 is finished...That could take hours...or minutes, depending...Meanwhile, who is doing the cooking, and cleaning the house while the constant sexathon is going on? Then there are the fights among the husbands as to who's turn it is to go first...I see chaos...
But you would be right, if it were not Islam...
A sixty year old wife and husband went on separate vacations, she took along a 20 year old boy toy, he took along a 20 year old 'friendly girl'...She had more fun than he did...as she explained it, '20 goes into 60 more times than 60 goes into 20'...
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written by y.m to truth detector , December 22, 2009
you have shown a great sympathy to muslim girls.but they are unfortunate enough to born a muslim parents.They are the birds in the islamic cage.They are not free to fly in the open air.Its good to encourge them to fight for their human rights.We all know that human rights of muslim woman and relgious communities in the muslim land do not exist.Islam does not recognize any sort of human rights.You always preach the ten commandment to muslims but every thing in islam is aganist the ten commandments.
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Mourad plz ct the Bshit
written by COMMON SENSE , December 22, 2009
Mourad dont waste yours and others time if you cannot talk rational. If you dont want to come out of your shell this is not the place for you.

I told you that only whites have discovered the world and thats why allah loves them. Colored people and blacks are only followers, some are following fast some are following slowly. whites are the most intelligent, efficient and good looking humans of allah.

Also agian, abu sufiyan, muawyiah and yazid are the ultimate winners in the political movement called islam after they killed whole of muhammad family.

by the way once you and s(alladin) are in jannah what would you prefer/ request allah, white houris or black houris.

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CREATIVE HUMANS
written by COMMON SENSE , December 22, 2009
Allah has ordained/ blessed CREATIVE instinct only upon white humans.

This is my ayat. I challange all non whites to prove me wrong
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not long now
written by straight up , December 22, 2009
Muslim males don't have much wisdom. Had they any wisdom at all, they would be afraid, very, very afraid.
They have gathered themselves together, to do evil in the sight of the Lord.
They have said to one another, let us be of one purpose. Let us be of one mind. We will take the daughters of creation for ourselves and force them to do our will and our desire. They are ours for the taking.
Who can stop us from enforcing our will? Let us be agreed.
Should this evil in the sight of the Lord go unpunished? It will not.

The cry of the daughters has gone up to the Throne. It has been heard. It will be answered. The time is near and Justice will prevail.

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To MA Khan
written by Truth , December 22, 2009
Mr. Khan as usual has not his homework instead he publishes any garbage he gets his hands on so long it is critical of Islam. Just for you Mr. Khan maybe you have not heard this but Islam is not the only religion that permitted polygamy. The fact is that Islam is the only religion that put a limit on the number of wives a man can have.


"Lamech took unto him two wives" (Gen. 4:19); Prophet "David took him more concubines and wives out of Jerusalem." (11 Sam. 5:13). Prophet Solomon "had seven hundred wives, princess, and three hundred concubines." (I Kings 11:3)




http://www.ezsoftech.com/omm/polygamy.asp
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Dear Dummies
written by Common Sense for Dummies!!! , December 22, 2009
Q1. Where do most pedophiles in our universe live?
A. They live in the the so called civilized western world. Statistics prove thsi.

Q2. what is the name of the religion that puts more emphasis on marriage to protect societies?
A. Islam

Q3. Which culture allows more premarital affairs and less respect for women?
A. Western culture.

Q4. Which civilization treats women more as a commodity and at the same time expect her to work and provide for the society under the so called equalities and at the same time she is expected to have kids and raise them?
A. Western cultures.






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re: "Dear Dummies"
written by Response from a Dummy , December 23, 2009
Q1a: What countries actually have laws against paedophilia and enforce them?
A: Western Countries.

Q1b: What countries report statistics regarding paedophilia even though they look bad for them?
A: Western Countries.

Q1c: Why would they do that?
A: So they can bring light to the problem and correct it.

Q1d: Why don't the other countries do these things?
A: Either they don't think anything is wrong with the behaviour, or they are afraid of the truth coming out.

Q2a: What is the name of the Religion that ensures a Woman is the exclusive property of one Man and that same Man is the exclusive property of the same Woman?
A: Christianity

Q2b: On what basis can you even claim this?
A: 1 Corinthians 7:4: The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife.

Q3a: Which culture allows unrestricted divorces?
A: Islam

Q3b: Why is divorce such a big deal in the Western World?
A: Because the Western World was founded on Christianity and Christianity teaches that God Hates Divorce.

Q4a: Which civilization claims to provide equality to women?
A: Islam.

Q4b: On what do you base that?
A: Passages from the Quran such as 4:11 that reads "Allah directs you in regard of your Children's (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females.... These are settled portions ordained by Allah" which makes a man "more equal" than a woman (to use Orwell's phraseology).
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Gulf News 23 dec 2009
written by Anon , December 23, 2009
Woman beaten up by husband suffers nervous breakdown
Mother of two was hit in front of police

By Bassma Al Jandaly, Senior Reporter, Gulf News Published: 00:00 December 23, 2009

Sharjah: A young mother who was beaten up by her husband in front of police officials has ended up at Al Amal psychiatric hospital, Gulf News has learnt.

A Syrian mother of two who has been living in the UAE for the past few years was beaten up by her husband in front of police officials at Al Gharb police station in Sharjah last week.

According to a witness, the woman while being beaten up by her husband at the police station managed to escape to the mosque at the police station where she locked herself.

The witness said the husband, also a Syrian, beat his young wife on her head several times using her handbag.

"The only thing police did at that time was to take the woman's passport from her bag and handed it to her husband," the witness said.

No food and shelter

The woman later left the mosque and roamed the streets without food or shelter. A passerby helped the woman, suffering from a nervous breakdown, to Al Kuwait hospital.

The victim's lawyer said the woman was taken care of for a few days by Al Kuwait hospital. "I am following up her divorce case," the lawyer said.

He said police did not help the woman, they even refused to question the husband," he said.

A senior official from Sharjah police said the issue is being investigated. "Al Gharb police station will investigate the claims that the woman was not helped over there," he said.

The woman told Gulf News from her bed in Al Kuwait Hospital that her husband used to beat her regularly. "We have a divorce case at Sharjah court," the woman said.

"I have a valid residency visa in the UAE which will expire only in 2012. I went to Syria and I came back last month," she said. Her children are with her family in Syria.

An official at Al Kuwaiti hospital said the woman's health deteriorated and she needs psychological support.

"The woman was admitted to Al Amal Psychiatric hospital in Dubai last week," the official said.

According to doctors at Al Amal hospital, the woman is suffering from a nervous breakdown and has been on medication for quite sometime.

"She needs to be with her family. She needs to be taken care of by her family members," the doctor said.

"We were able to contact her sister who lives in the UAE. The sister came once to see her," the doctor said.

The husband was summoned by Dubai General Department for Residency and Foreigners Affairs.
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written by gsw , December 23, 2009
"Islam is the only religion that has given women their due rights, equality and dignity. "

No, No the clue is in the qualifier: "Islam gave women DUE rights, equality and dignity" before that they just had the common or garden variety of R,E&D (see Mohammed's first wife) or not as the case my be, but now they have allah's R,E&D.

Got to better, no?

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written by Machmoed elchalid , December 23, 2009
@truth,

Mr. Khan maybe you have not heard this but Islam is not the only religion that permitted polygamy

That's why M.A. Khan is an Athiest. Thios means that he doesn't believe in God in general and in the god of the scriptures in perticular. I totally agree with him....there might be a god/energy/source......but it's not JHWH or Allah. Solomo had 700 wives...sure...and he could hear ants right? ants do not communicate through sound but by odours (smell)...again Allah does not his creation....allknowing?
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Machmoed elchalid
written by North Africa , December 23, 2009
You are as sad as Mr. Khan. Good thing you agree with him, he needs partners in the hell.
On the subject of ants you said they communicate via odor, but this is basic 101 facts that ants also communicate via touching each other with their antennae which makes it easier for a man like Solomon to understand their converse. Muslims need atheist to tell them the Quran is literal.

While on the subject of atheism can you or your partner Mr. Khan tell us about how the creation occurred? Please tell us something other than evolution because evolution theory on it is own as weak as your logic on ants.
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Creation
written by straight up , December 23, 2009
The Lord spoke. Creation immediately came into being. It was complete at that moment. From beginning to ending.
In our actual experience, we have what is an 'unfolding' of events. In the Lord's Actuality, it is already complete.
So therefore, He knows everything, from start to finish.
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written by Machmoed elchalid , December 23, 2009
@north africa,

You are as sad as Mr. Khan. Good thing you agree with him, he needs partners in the hell.

I don't believe in hell....this is a creation of mankind just like islam and Allah....they are imaginary!

About ants you say....ants also communicate via touching each other with their antennae which makes it easier for a man like Solomon to understand their converse.

The above really doesn't make sense....If Solomon was a human being..he couldn't have heard the ants...even if he had supersonic hearing.

For your information and to others who don't know......the Qor'aan isn't flawless...for instance...the trinity dogma doesnot contain Maria/Meryem...Your God thinks she is....your God thinks that stars are tiny lights and that meteors are shooting jinns...come on man..you don't have to be educated to know this is nonsens. Qor'an litteral? There are verses that are to be raken litteraly and there is a part of the book wich is not literal.....Now are you telling me that the qor'aan is litteral. Wether it is literal or not...there are errors in it.....Maria is different than Meryem...there is 800 years of a gap between these two. The qor'aan is written in clear arabic...another lie! for whom is it clear..not the arabs..otherwise they wouldn't invent hadieth to explain the Qor'aan.....Last but not least...why do you believe in a system that not from God...if it was from God..there would be no errors and it would be easy to understand and to read. Did you know the son of abd almalik wanted to understand the qor'aan and therefor he had to learn classic arabic...and it was 100 years after the time of the prophet.....did you know Qor'aan is written in sort of classic arabic but the qor'aan of muhammad was a dialect of the qoreish. Did you know that the language of the qor'aan correspondate with the language of east arabie and not west arabie (mekka/medina). Did you know the enemies of islam at the time of the prophet became sunnites. Did you know that the favorite wife of the prophet (aisha) was given housarrest for the rest of her life...were was Allah then etc etc. Let me tell you one thing...i don't know much, but i do know that it is not from the real God. So i do believe in the God that created us, but you ask me why can't i believe in the God/Allah wich we created. You already have the answer. If you are seeking for the truth...let's talk about islam and it's features...but i already talked to a lot of muslims and the truth is, they can't think for themselfes. They are hostages of the verses of the qor'aan. A lot of muslims do not agree with some hadieths because it doesn't suit them or even some verses of the qor'aan.

In a world of universal deceipt, telling the truth is a revelutionary act.
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written by Machmoed elchalid , December 23, 2009
Please tell us something other than evolution because evolution theory on it is own as weak as your logic on ants.

Evolution is a fact my friend. Evolution is a law of the real God. Everything is evolution...even the qor'aan is evolution. How come you're not that clever? For our universe as it is today....there is no god needed...this has been proven by steve Hawking....he might exist, but he is not necessary he says. Our univers has come out of another universe (Big Bounce theory) and there is evidence for this. You have to read some books of our time, not the findings of the greek, the persians etc. that is copied into the qor'aan. Read some books of aristoteles and then maybe you'll see the same errors in qor'aan.
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North/ south and africa
written by COMMON SENCE , December 23, 2009
THe believers in Allah/ God should answer the basic question "how allah/ god came into being" before trying to convince others/ athiests. If they cant than they should fcuk the sht up
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cognitive dissonance...
written by duh_swami , December 23, 2009
Machmoed elchalid..

Muslims are required to take the view that the Quran is flawless, even though it's not...For a Muslim to admit that Allah's word is flawed, amounts to apostasy...If a Muslim believes Allah's word is flawed, he has changed his religion and is then subject to Mouhammad's commandment...'If anyone changes his religion, kill him'...Muslims can't claim that Allah was wrong when he said in his book five times that the world was flat...Yet everyone knows the world is not flat...This is two conflicting ideas held at the same time, which is called cognitive dissonance...It scrambles their marbles...leads to confusion and all kinds of mischief...

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Womens rights in the "west"=The right to be whores and prostitutes.
written by saladin , December 23, 2009
"I have been told by well-educated Muslims, to support polygamy in Islam, that only men can sexually satisfy multiple sex-partners, not women. While that’s true for certain men, it can well be true of certain women, too. There are prostitutes, predominantly women, all over the world satisfying multiple men on a daily basis"


Straight from the horses mouth eh?I don`t know why you place so much credence in the writings of a few Arab slags.Islamophobes seem to think that anything written by "ex muslims"(I doubt very few of them were ever actually Muslim to begin with),should be elevated to the posotion of the gospels.Islamophobes really ought to be more discerning in the way they use their propaganda,otherwise it will remain just a sick racist joke book.

COMMON SENSE; I prefer my women mixed race,there are ever so many in the "west",black-white,white-black,chinese-white,latino-white,Indian -white etc etc. In the not to distant future "pure white"(if there is such a thing),will be as common as the DODO lol.If I can accelerate that process I will,kohi dy`a feel ma?

ps I wanna wish all Islamophobes ,Zionists,Christian fundementalists and fascists a very Merry Christmas and keep scowling and grimicing well into the New Year.Salam!
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To Common Sence
written by North Africa , December 23, 2009
Thanks Common Sense, the Quran answers the question in Surah 112. Al-Ikhlas.

112.001 Say: He is God, the One and Only;
112.002 God, the Eternal, Absolute;
112.003 He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
112.004 And there is none like unto Him.

Let me guess, you want more details about how Allah came about. Since for you evolutionists everything has a beginning and an end, despite the fact that you cannot prove basic facts about the evolution theory itself. At best the theory of natural selection which does not contradict with Islam holds water but does not answer the whole question.
If all this according to you evolutionist began from one cell why is man superior to other creations on this earth although other creations much physically stronger like elephants and lions could have taken this role. I know, you do not have answer, even the greatest evolutionists of our time Mr. Richard Dawkins does not have one either.


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Dear duh_swami
written by North Africa , December 23, 2009

There are no limits to the idiocy on this website.
Can you please tell us where is the Quran it says the earth is flat, or you are just ranting like a lunatic and just like to keep on repeating what others tell you.

I will quote the Quran:
036.038 And the sun runs his course for a period determined for him: that is the decree of (Him), the Exalted in Might, the All-Knowing.
036.039 And the Moon,- We have measured for her mansions (to traverse) till she returns like the old (and withered) lower part of a date-stalk.
036.040 It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day: Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to Law).

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Dear Machmoed Elchalid
written by North Africa , December 23, 2009
The Qor'aan isn't flawless...for instance...the trinity dogma doesnot contain Maria/Meryem...Your God thinks she is.... Maria is different than Meryem...there is 800 years of a gap between these two.

Answer. I am not sure what you are talking about. Please tell us the verses from the Quran that confuses Mary with Mryam.

your God thinks that stars are tiny lights and that meteors are shooting jinns...come on man..you don't have to be educated to know this is nonsens. Qor'an litteral?

Answer. Your science god thought it knew everything about the universe until it found new galaxies out there and when it applied the mathematics and the physics laws to those galaxies they could not explain why they were orbiting in the wrong directions.

There are verses that are to be raken litteraly and there is a part of the book wich is not literal.....Now are you telling me that the qor'aan is litteral. Wether it is literal or not...there are errors in it.....

Answer. Show us and we can debate them. Please refer to sources and do not just throw things all over the place.

The qor'aan is written in clear arabic...another lie! for whom is it clear..not the arabs..otherwise they wouldn't invent hadieth to explain the Qor'aan.....

Answer. Again you are throwing things without knowing what you are talking about. The Hadeeth is the sayings of Prophet Muhammad. It does not explain the Quran; there is tafseer which is the explanation of the Quran. You have a problem with terminology. On the Quran being clear for non Arabs, sure any language for its non speakers will not make sense unless they learn that language.

Last but not least...why do you believe in a system that not from God...if it was from God..there would be no errors and it would be easy to understand and to read.

Answer. Perhaps errors are in the eyes the beholder.

Did you know the son of abd almalik wanted to understand the qor'aan and therefor he had to learn classic arabic...and it was 100 years after the time of the prophet..... did you know Qor'aan is written in sort of classic arabic but the qor'aan of muhammad was a dialect of the qoreish.
Answer. No I did not know. I think you have a problem distinguishing between classic Arabic and the Quriash dialect. The Quran is classic and written in Quriash deilicate because at the time of Osman when many people started converting to Islam and people started reading the Quran in different dialect Osman preserved the original reading abolished all others.

Did you know that the language of the qor'aan correspondate with the language of east arabie and not west arabie (mekka/medina).

Answer. Wrong. Where are your sources? There were no east and west at the time. West Arabia was called Alhijaz at the time. You seem to contradict yourself with Quriash vs. classic vs. east and west.

Did you know the enemies of islam at the time of the prophet became sunnites.

Answer. Wrong again. I do not know where you get your information from sir. There was no Sunni and Shia at the time of Prophet Muhammad. It started after the battle of Karbala which was about thirty years after the death of Prophet Muhammad.


Did you know that the favorite wife of the prophet (aisha) was given housarrest for the rest of her life...

Answer. So what? What does that have to do with Allah. Prophet Muhammad himself was persecuted and tortured, other prophets suffered even more.


but i already talked to a lot of muslims and the truth is, they can't think for themselfes. They are hostages of the verses of the qor'aan. A lot of muslims do not agree with some hadieths because it doesn't suit them or even some verses of the qor'aan.

Answer. You have been reading a lot of Islam watch, maybe you are afraid to read about Islam and Muslims for yourself. The fact is that Muslims are backward today because they abandoned the Quran and Islam.
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North Africa
written by duh_swami , December 23, 2009
Flat Earth...Like a carpet...carpets are square round or rectangular, and have edges... all of them lay flat... Yusuf Ali...Quran...71:019...43:10...20:053...15:109...
78:6 says the Earth is a bed...beds are flat with edges...

I'm not the only one who knows about this...It has been noticed by others...I could find more if I wanted to dig deeper...

The root of the Sunni, Shia split began when Abu Bakr, with the help of Umar, grabbed off power from Ali after Mohammad died...It was further exacerbated when Fatimah approach Abu Bakr about some of Mohammads loot as an inheritance...Abu told her to flake off...That really pzzed off Fatimah, and Ali...
This fueled the original split...The trouble in Paradise got worse, the Battle at Karbala was just the beginning battle, and the family feud has not ended yet...
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written by duh_swami , December 23, 2009
N.A...The fact is that Muslims are backward today because they abandoned the Quran and Islam.

Then they are not Muslims, they are apostates...
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Dear duh_swami
written by North Africa , December 23, 2009
That is right, there are some people in the Muslim world who accuses the leaders of apostasy. I mean when the Quran commands Muslims to unit but you have leaders like Hosni Mubarak of Egypt imposing sanctions on Palestinians. People like king of Saudi Arabia cooperate with the west in their wars against a Muslim neighbor. Until we get rid of those people the west can claim supremacy. And creatures like you can accuse Islam of backwardness. Got it sir.

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Dear duh_swami
written by North Africa , December 23, 2009
All the verses you stated do not contradict the fact that the earth is round. Let alone contradict with the verse I stated above from chapter 36.
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to the discusting khan and his followers
written by mourad , December 23, 2009
peace be upon all muslims ,
i say that : there is no god but ellah , and mohammed is his messenger
wallah if god like you , your heart will be opened smoothly thanks to all verses which contain evidences , but you hypocrits , you keep just munching your speeches , wallah you will regret in a time where nothing can be changeable , every thing will be decided for eternity , i'm giving my speech in the hand and mind of this troublesmaker which called khan , why didn't he talk about all money which can be in the possession of a woman and she can hold it without giving a part to her husband , but all husband's money need to be shared with her because she has the right to take from his money but she can hold her money for example if she inhereted money from her parents , she can put it in her account , but in the case of a man any dollar or dinar of his money , his wife has a part in it . this discusting khan did not talk about that .
second thing , if this lady talked with such a decision she is not a muslim , because to be a muslim you need to agree all judgements because it's god's word . and sincerly i don't believe this animal khan . i'm polite and tolerant with all categories of people but those fitna makers .
wallah our god did not show you the judgements of Qur'an and the translations of its verses just to make you feel pain , because you know the rightness but you tried to disbelieve it , you will be in a darkest hell where you can enjoy the ennemies company
may be most of you will consider me as a liar and i'm not , my father had married four wives and we have no problems with our brothers . my dad has died ( god bless him ) and wallah there is no man beloved for my mother as him , you liars and haters could not feel the difference between the breath of your wife and the poisoned dreaded Wind that is smelt in your bodies when you sleep with your mistresses is a proof that it's not a civilisation . i tell to any body who wanted to see the evidence of islam supremacy over all religions , we have . but those discusting people like khan make like so hard , he created the insult and people comment on it , this way do not expect much tolerance from muslims , it's up to you to decide , i saw no pride in all the ladies who came with long hair to irak with weapons which cost more then 915 billions dollar as an afficial data and all the world know that it's bigger but couldn't they resolve many problems of prostitution and abandonned sons , court system , defence of the terrorist attacks . they brought dolls with a full covered wears to fight against the lions
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Allah's E mail
written by COMMON SENCE , December 23, 2009
I recieved an e-mail from allah (allah fired angel gebraeel after e mail invention). The email instructs to add the following ayat to bible/ quran/ torah

"and Allah is He who has made whites superior to non-whites. Allah ordained/ blessed ONLY WHITES with creative instinct, and only whites will discover the world and invent for mankind and animals and only whites are closer to Allah."

All non whites including muzzies/ christians/ jews are invited to submitt their objection before this ayat is added (Allah has become democratic recently)
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mental migets
written by Kohi , December 23, 2009
second thing , if this lady talked with such a decision she is not a muslim , because to be a muslim you need to agree all judgements because it's god's word .

Oh sweet knees you people are stuck in the 7th century for a reason! You folks need to LEFT in the dessert to inbread yourselfs out of this world cuz you are doing no good for the REST of the WORLD. Can you folks BE ANY MORE BACKWARD?????????
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North Africa
written by COMMON SENCE , December 23, 2009
For your information i dont believe in evolution I believe in a Creator not Allah. The Creator i believe in is much wiser than islamic Allah and he is who has made one race superior to other races e.g whites are superior to non whites in all respects. They are the only CREATIVE and INTELLIGENT humans on earth.

May Creator bless you intelligence like whites
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written by NSC London , December 23, 2009
^Posts like this (and Aladdin, and north Africa) warm the cockles of my heart during this festive season! You primitive chimpanzees are so delightfully backwards and simple, there is no way you'll make up any ground in the modern world. Keep dancing for us Momars! Maybe we'll buy more of your oil.
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Why Muslims do not follow Quran
written by COMMON SENCE , December 23, 2009
Muzzies say "we are lowest humans on earth today cuz we do not follow quran any more"

Though it is very easy to understand why muzzies left islam and quran

1. Quran is boring to read, repetitive, full of threats text.

2. Quran is contradictory (any body can make his own intrepretations of ayats).

3. Quran/ Islam could not keep muslims united the day after muhammad died.

4. Quran does not teach muslims to attain wordly knowledge (hundreds of ayats for allahs submission and praying nothing to attain a knowledge for brain improvement)

5. Quran says all humans are equal (wrong). White humans are superior to other humans. White humans are only Creative humans on earth.

6. Quran does not give any indication that the world and humans will completely change after invent of science and technology and how muzzies to deal with it.

7. All emphasiz of quran is on death and life after death (kill yourself for allah and get the reward) thats the whole idea.

8. quran teaches muslims to eliminate all non muslims (particularly jews). Why allah doesnt eliminate jews himself as he eliminated (as per quran) other dis obedient nations in the past??

9. How allah select religons for humans before birth. Allah creates an idolater himself and ask muzzies to kill
him like a video game (make no sence).

I can write a book but i am sure muzzies (dead brains) will never understand



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Crucial role of women
written by Demsci , December 23, 2009
According to the human genome project about 65.000 years ago, due to a great catastrophe, now thought to be a vulcanic eruption of Mt. (in lake) Toba in Sumatra, humanity almost died out, was only left with 2000 or so humans. We all descent from 1 man and a few women among them. Later mankind recovered and (re)populated the Earth. Differences in appearance, like color of skin, hair, eyes, were only due to climate and external factors. That means that mankind's genes are mostly all alike and racism is crazy.

But. A. There seems to be a big difference between the desires of the majority of Muslims and the desires of the majority of the rest of mankind in how to organise society. With theocracy/ shariah or democracy/ human rights etc. B. Muslims have the fertility-weapon globally for this era. Meaning they get to indoctrinate for life a big part of new humans. But half of the baby's are female.

Now women seem to be the key. If women get educated, literate, I heard, then the average number of their children drops dramatically. We all know that women who can study and work and provide for themselves on average only get 1 to 2 children.

If the women get literate, educated, English-speaking, access to the Internet, to all sorts of varied information, perhaps they will want to preserve democracy in Democratic countries, when it get's really threathened, perhaps they want to expand democracy in Islamic dictatorial countries, like this Saudi journalist woman, ever more. They also will then equal the balance in fertility between Muslims and the rest of mankind. And then the contest is much fairer. I think Islam both lacks the military power and the power to persuade combined with the power to retain followers to win without their fertility-weapon.

It is such a fascinating contest between theocracy and democracy in this era, after 9/11, in the 1st half of the 21st century.

By the way, I agree with North Africa in contempt of the Egyptian and Saudi Arab regimes. I even prefer Iran's regime over them. Because in Iran Islamic rule is shown for what it is. Iran is anti-America AND failing in performance, so that makes Iranians who are against the regime prone to be for America and democracy. Whereas Mubarak is a dictator, thought to be supported by America, hence the Egyptians who are against his regime, also are prone to blame America for its existence. I hear in Egypt even the Muslim brotherhood is pro democracy. And I for one think they should be favored over Mubarak.
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is Allah Eternal
written by COMMON SENCE , December 23, 2009
North Africa

Let me inform you that Allah was created by muhammad and came into being in 610 AD when muhammad had a chat with Gebraieel.

The Creator i believe in is eternal and unique. I will inform you once he tells me his name. This creator created myself and whatever around me without prejudice. he loves all humans but he has made whites superior to others as whites are the only Creative humans on earth.
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written by thinker2 , December 24, 2009
islam has no foundation and it get its authority from the bible ! desite that we can see many contradiction between quran and the holy bible also in quran itself plus the errors . i cant understand why many muslims still not aware of that.
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written by Muslim , December 24, 2009
I would like you to read something. Towards the bottom of the page. It will clear the gross misconceptions people have about Islam. If you have the time to write such long um...stories?... surely you have the time to read the article.
http://www.islamawareness.net/FAQ/faq.html
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The passing of the great white race!
written by saladin , December 24, 2009
This ones for you Common sense and your bride Kohi,Merry Christmas ho hoho!

White Race Extinction

About year 2050, non-whites in America will outnumber whites. That's simple demographic fact. By 2050 and
beyond, non-whites will dominate, make the laws, abolish traditional white culture, take full possession of the
American nation. Whites, as a major race, will become extinct.


When next-century historians sort out the causes of America's metamorphosis into a non-white population, high on the list will be the systematic reversal of the original Constitution's state's sovereignty into an all- powerful federal monolith, a process begun with Lincoln's war smashing the rights of the states as well as the South. Prominent also: liberal-left welfare Government since FDR's 1930s, black-activist propaganda fueling white guilt and "reparations," massive third-world immigration (26 million since 1965), the huge birth rates of non-whites (especially unwed mothers on welfare) and the government's network of anti-white "civil-rights" enforcing nationwide racial integration and diversity. Soaring rates of racial interbreeding and intermarriage, normalized by routine portrayals of mixed couples throughout media and TV, spurred the rapid "tanning" of America.

Strangely, all during these decades whites remained apathetic, with no public assertion of their own racial pride, sheepishly resigned to being replaced by a non-white population. They seemed as unresisting to their predictable extinction as the victims of Nazi death-camps in the 1940s. The few white voices protesting against the non- white takeover of America were silenced by government and media charges of "racism" - while the genuine racism of non-whites systematically won a new America, whites and their culture finally quashed.

Someone pass the hankies I think the bitch is about to cry.
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written by NSC London , December 24, 2009
[Editor: NSC London and all, please do not use vulgar words, swearings etc. in comments. Our system filters them out. They will be automatically deleted next time.]

^For the last time, you stupid towel head (and you too Common Sense, you're both fucking idiots) this is NOT ABOUT RACE. It is about principle. You stupid Muzzos seem to think we hate you because you're brown/black/whatever. Wrong. I've got a lot of love for people of all races, it's your feeble, pathetic little minds that I (WE) hate.
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more stupidy from the great salad bowl!
written by Kohi , December 24, 2009
Hey duffus (saladhead) You think I'm white? lolololololol

I don't like muzzies why? cuz they do not produce anything in this world but pain they CONTRIBUT NOTHING blacks,browns,red,yellow,white ALL have GREAT historys behind them and contiune to this day!
Muslims???????? they want death go kill yourselfs and leave life for those of us who WANT to live and contibute to earth.
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Common Sense
written by Mo-Suck , December 24, 2009
That is a great point why doesn't the great and powerful oz uh allah just kill us all now?
Because he hasn't the power to do anything.
mu ham add has pulled the wool over your eyes big time
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Extinction of White race
written by COMMON SENCE , December 24, 2009
As per S(alladin)

"About year 2050, non-whites in America will outnumber whites. That's simple demographic fact. By 2050 and beyond, non-whites will dominate, make the laws, abolish traditional white culture, take full possession of the American nation. Whites, as a major race, will become extinct."

First of all Gods/ Allahs chosen superior white race (creative race) would not extint in 2050 (survival of the fittest).

Secondly if it happens, this will surely be the end of this beautiful world (white race has made it). Colored and black humans cannot survive on thier own. A simple epidemic will anhilliate them, others will die killing each other for food. End of world. Sad

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written by NSC London , December 24, 2009
^Seriously, you semi-literate troglodyte, please drop the pathetic white supremacist mumblings, you make me sick.

To the mods, read your post, will defo refrain from swearing from here on out. Cheers
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what?
written by Mo-Suck , December 24, 2009
And then there will be a lot of Mexicans that hate mussies as much as anyone...America has always been a bi-racial country
so to think that's gonna help the spread of islime is silly.
Remember, Spain and Mexico are almost all Catholic.
c ya wouldn't want to be ya
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Is Out numbering enough
written by COMMON SENCE , December 24, 2009
7th century brain named S(alladin) believes muzzies will win over white race by 2050. Lets see why outnumbering is not enough to win,

1. Intelligent humans (whites) made computers to replace thousands of humans brains and computers work more efficiently and correctly than a human brain.

2. Intelligent humans (whites) made machines to replace thousands of humans labor and machines work efficiently and correctly than a human can do

Lastly they made pesticide to kill thousands of pests with one litre of it.

Also remember that thousands of illiterates cannot replace a Doctor, engineer, architect, scientist and so on. Even thinking of removing or winning over intelligent humans is idiotic. Its like moving the world backwards

So please think positive and come out of your tiny shell
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Keep it up Common Sense,let the world know the true nature of Islamophobia!
written by saladin , December 25, 2009
At last the MODs have reacted to the filthy epithets from nsc,and the sexually explicit material from the unhinged Kohi.I`d like to suggest to the editor he/she may want to consider banning,or at the very least suspending such degeneracy from this site.
I know this is supposed to be an Islamophobic hate site,but do we deserve to be exposed to such indecency,crudity,smuttiness and vileness?
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written by NSC London , December 25, 2009
^Exactly! You've got the Koran for that. This site must be tame compared to the Koran's tales of child rape, massacres, etc.


If you replace "white" with "non-Musilm" in Common Sense's posts they're brilliant.
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oh salad
written by Mo-Suck , December 25, 2009
you are such a pussy...if ya can't stand the heat go back to the islimeic middle-crap east
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some tidbits to get the free men rolling
written by Mo-Suck , December 25, 2009
Check this out...don't be afraid saladpuss

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc56moy0poA

This is fantastic and should show the musslime where they'll be getting off :)

Hope everyone had a great Christmas and will have a very Happy New Year

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My, what funny trolls you have;
written by Sashland , December 26, 2009
I begin to take small comfort that the resistance is germinating.

Thank you for your fine site.
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GO away saladhead
written by Kohi , December 26, 2009
the sexually explicit material from the unhinged Kohi.

Boo-hoo poor salad head can't talk to anyone about his cult without crying UNFAIR! so like muzzies.
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Arguing with idiots
written by David , December 26, 2009
guys,
i am coming to the conclusion that you cant argue with muslims, because they are all close minded, uneducated, uneloquent, and will tell you the sky is purple if their koran says it is, even when it is blue. blind, ignorant fanaticism is the cancer we are dealing with here.
people like salad head and the other mozzies in here offer no true intellectual answers to the questions posed to them. they have no theological answers because islam is not based on theological truths or facts. they have a book; it is enforced with violence that it is the 'truth,' and that is all they need to feel they belong to their little elitist club called islam.
islam is cracking from the inside. i see it every day here in Afghanistan. and, of course, when a muslim is presented with a legitimate question that they cant answer, or is contradictory to the koran (even when it comes from the koran) they do the typical uneducated muslim thing- they get violent.
as i see muslim children die at the hands of muslims every day here, i wonder why anyone would cling to islam, unless it is because they are basically and bluntly stupid. men like islam- they get whatever they want, they can justify whatever they want, and they can take whatever they want. mob mentality rules here, especially considering almost everyone here is a hypocrite, but it is easier to gang up on someone else and keep the spotlight off oneself- which is exactly what they do here.
muslims emigrsate to the west because they know as a fact that islam does not alllow for stability in a government. islam is oppressive. it is wasnt, then the middle east would be the perfect example of how the world should run. instead, it is the worst place on the planet, where people starve, are tortured, there is war, banditry, huge drug and alcohol problems, and absolutely no advancement made in education or the betterment of mankind.
however, i know for a fact that people like salad head will continue to champion islam despite the blatant proof of its failures, hypocrisies, contradictions, and plain out inefficiency, because people like salad head only know one thing- violence falls on those that leave the club. essentially, peopl elike salad head and his mates in this forum are simply scared to question their faith. they are scared that they are wrong, that they have been mistaken all their lives, that they have been looking like fools for years and years. and, as man's nature is to never be perceived wrong, they will coninue to cling to the lie, because saving face is more important than the truth. also, mozzies tend to react violently to those that leave islam.
religion of peace? i think- nay, i KNOW- not.

"And unto us a child will be born, and His name will be Wonderful, Counsellor, Prince of Peace, Mighty God.'

that is from the New Testament of the Holy bible. you will not find that anywhere in the koran.

Rise up, Christians. Rise up, and let your voices be heard over the suicide bombers and AK-47s of Islam. Our weapons of warfare are NOT carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds- casting down every high thing that exalts itself against the KNOWLEDGE of God, and bringing into captivity every THOUGHT to the obedience of Christ.
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Welcome back Dave...
written by Mo-Suck , December 27, 2009
I think it's because they fear their ideology (which has been drilled into them since the cradle) more than anything else...because to object to ANYTHING will mean their death.
I'm sure also as time passes more and more intelligent of the ideology will apostate away in droves.
When islime is eliminated, we, as the human race will have the first chance at world peace.
saladpuss thinks that the invaders to our shores will keep up the fight, but I'll betcha they will be hiding like rats and have to be ferreted out.
I remember when I was young many moons ago, there was a tv show on (this was during the cold war and we didn't know when the USSR would be bombing us) that showed the world getting together to fight a common enemy, I think it was some aliens or something.
Since islime is alien in nature, kill kill kill, maybe this is the catalyst that will start the ball rolling.


Drop the Bomb Take the Oil
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I forgot
written by Mo-Suck , December 27, 2009
I hope you had the best Christmas possible, considering where you are.
Also I hope you will be coming home soon!
But while your there drop a few of the islime for Islam-Watch


Drop the Bomb Take the Oil
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Hope you had as good a Christmas as possible David
written by The Grand Kaffir of Infidelistan , December 27, 2009
Mate,
Don't know what part you're in but if experience in Tarin Kowt and Kandahar is anything to go by it's not the best place to be at Christmas. Hope you had a good one and got a few words in with the missus and kids.
All the best for the New Year.
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God Bless you guys
written by David , December 27, 2009
Mo-Suck and Grand Kaffir,
I pray for you guys every night, that you are safe, your families are well taken care of, and that you are prosperous. I wasnt with my family in the States, but i was with my brothers here in AF for the holiday. We hung out with the Canadians and Brits that came by.

Dont be fooled by the press- if there is any failure in this country it is the Afghans failing- not the coalition. just like vietnam- the South Vietnamese lost, not us. we can only do so much, but if the indigenous people refuse to learn and change, then there is no hope for this place. We can train them, sell them decent weapons, teach them to think, build them infrastructure, but if the people simply dont change, then this part of the world will always be a craphole, and sooner or later we will need to do something drastic.
Funny fact about Afghanistan- during the russian occupation, women's rights soared skyward. the russians pushed to have women in the government, the army, in higher positions in society. but, islam denies that, so it failed. the russians built infrastructure here in the country- and the people refused to upkeep it, so it crumbled. look throughout the history of afghanistan- it has been conquered tons of times, but the one thing that never changed was the people- they continue to be uneducated animals. every conquering army simply left afghanistan- none of them were ever militarily defeated- they LEFT willingly because the people were thieves, violent, and plain old stupid.
why should anyone invest in this place?
there are a few that legitmately want this place to change for the better, but they are outnumbered by the moron muslims that want 7th century living. so, the smart ones emigrate to the west, where the rule of law prevails due to sensible people.

here endeth the lesson.

find this in the koran:
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16.

the koran doesnt spend too many words on the love of God for mankind.
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written by NSC London , December 27, 2009
David! Merry Christmas mate and a big thank you for spending your holidays doing a very hard job in a very sh*t place. I've been doing a ton of flying this season and I always think of you now when I see the servicemen and women in the terminals. Stay safe and take care out there!

Regarding your passage here: there are a few that legitmately want this place to change for the better, but they are outnumbered by the moron muslims that want 7th century living. so, the smart ones emigrate to the west, where the rule of law prevails due to sensible people.

^This stuck out to me as I had the most amazing Muslim cab driver on the way out to Heathrow when I left. Dude was probably about 50, very distinguished gentleman who kindly told me a bit about his life story as an Afghani who fled the country 25 years ago, learned English, had obviously done a ton of reading and was now semi-retired. He said he tried to go back to AF 4 years ago in hopes of building a new country that could withstand the taliban. He left after a year because he said the only work offered to him in government required corruption on his part. He also said that the entire Arab world is lazy and corrupt, with the exception of Iran, who have a very solid base of human capital who are oppressed by a horrible government. I asked him about how he perceived the role of Islam in all this and he said, "no religion should be taken very seriously, that's 90% of the problem in the Muslim world." Interesting stuff. If a country can't find a role for a guy as intelligent and dedicated to his people as this gentleman, there's no hope for that country.


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NSC London
written by David , December 27, 2009
...and a very Merry Christmas to you as well!

To all here- Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! this will be another dry one for me- my Irish heritage is pissed at me for not destroying my liver in so long... heh!
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David always glad to see ya!
written by Kohi , December 27, 2009
David glad to see you alive and tell the TRUTH
" they LEFT willingly because the people were thieves, violent, and plain old stupid.
why should anyone invest in this place? "
keep your head down this hell hole is not WORTH ONE
AMERICAN life it never was and sorry to say never will be!
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my Irish heritage is pissed at me for not destroying my liver in so long... heh!
written by The Grand Kaffir of Infidelistan , December 27, 2009
Well fellow Irish descendant, I shall dedicate tonight's bottle of Tullamore Dew to you and your compatriots David.
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I am humbled
written by David , December 27, 2009
this is why the west and the judeo-christian teachings it is based on is so successful.
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written by Machmoed elchalid , December 28, 2009
@north africa,

I am not sure what you are talking about. Please tell us the verses from the Quran that confuses Mary with Mryam.

Just read surat Meryem. You will see that people speak to Maria, daughter of imraan, as if she is mother of Jesus. The confusion is because in Arabic Maryem and Maria is the same…so the authors of the qor’aan thought it was/is the same. All the Muslims say is: well…it is not the same but the names of the parents are the same…yeah right!

Everything I told you…it’s there…just like the qor’aan, I’m pointing, but you have to look for yourself. In the same line of what you asked me I could ask you: don’t tell me other scriptures like injiel and thowraat are not true anymore…show me the unchanged version of injiel and thowraat. Why don’t you ask for the same proof to your God as you do to me. Did Allah show you the true unchanged scriptures and did he tell you the sayings and deed of prophets before Muhammad…no. not at all…all we know is that the arabs are telling this whithout any proof. You’re thinking to emotional…read historybooks and not only Islamic ones.

God thinks that stars are tiny lights and that meteors are shooting jinns...come on man..you don't have to be educated to know this is nonsens. Qor'an litteral?

Answer. Your science god thought it knew everything about the universe until it found new galaxies out there and when it applied the mathematics and the physics laws to those galaxies they could not explain why they were orbiting in the wrong directions.

Wow, why ask question if you’re not going to refute what I wrote. You’re the one who’s claiming absolute truth. To say Allah made it or did it..is ofcourse not right because you’re not telling anything…it is the same as yeah..the nature did it. For me it is far more interessting how nature/God works through his laws.
Even in our galaxy some planets orbiting a different direction than others. Sciense never claimed to have the absolute truth and sciense explained a lot more than a imaginary Deity, wether he/she exist or not. But it’s a lot different than the qor’aan where it tells that the sun and the moon have their orbits. The earth and the moon have their orbit’s but not the sun (from the point of vieuw of our solarsystem).

Sunni and Shiites is a political separation, not a religious one. The east wanted a nation like the Persians/Zoroastrians (with an earthly religious leader aka Mullah) and the west wanted a eternal prophet aka Christianity and they created Muhammed from several individuals like prophet Mani who also claimed to be the seal of the prophets etc, but 300 years before. These two groups battled eachother and called themselfes the true followers of Allah. When the arabs came outside the boundaries of the Hidjaaz, they had to use some kind of strategy to create followers and the word muslim was invented..note that this word doesn’t exist in Meccans sura’s. Before the word muslim, they used ishmaelites, hagerenites etc but no muslim (from Christian sources).

Yazid, Muawiya, abd almalik were the opposition of the party of the prophet. After all the decendents of the prophet were killed they started to write stories about the prophet (after 150 to 200 years after his death) and scholars know that the ahadieth are not to be taken for real and most stories of hadieth never happened. The omayads and later the abassides just used the stories etc. Noone knows if Muhammed ever existed! There is no evidence whatsoever. Muhammad came on coins 40 years after the prophet died, but on the other side of the coin there was a kind of halfgod (ruler with wings like Zoroastrians used to put on their coins).
How come scientists/scholars found nothing about Umar, Abubakr, Ali and uthman from the time they lived. They did found a lot of Muawiya, Yazid, Abdalmalik etc. Maybe because of the omayads destroyed everything and then the story of Uthman that he destroyed everything that was different from the vision of the rulers not as a sudden story. After this fitna is caused.
Also remember that jews and Christians thought it was a mistake to follow the religion of the arabs and stated that their former religion (Christianity and Judaism) was much better than the religion they had accepted now. They tasted from both and yet they chose for Christianity. After this the sword of islam spoke taugh language and those who left islam were persecuted or killed.

Alhijra never happened….in scriptures from late 7th century it was called the year of the arabs. It is called the year of the arabs because at this time the Byzantines won an important battle against the Zoroastrians (Persians) and now you know this, you also know why the Qor’aan mentiones in surat Arroem: on the day that romans will win, the believers will glad/happy on this day. Why would believers be glad when the romans will win? Could you answer me on this one?

You know the story of Abraha and his elephants….could elephants that large like elephant mahmoed (elephants from ethiopie) cross the desert over hundreds of miles without water to Mecca. Scholars know this story is a myth.

Could you please explain me the different qiraats of the qor’aan and how it came to be? Only this contradicts the claim that the qor’aan is been set in prophets heart at the beginning…how about the abrogated verses…were these verses also in the heart of the prophet and how about the daughters of allah? So the claim that the qor’aan existed from the beginning of time is a big lie.

North Africa…just show me a qor’aan manuscript till 9th (830 AD) century that is the same as the qor’aan of today….you won’t succeed!

I hope you study these facts before calling me a liar or whatever. Look out for the so called islam scholars like harun Yahya etc. If you want to study reality, you have to be objective…so if you want to study the qor’aan and it’s claims, you can’t be a believer and study these things because to the believer the scripture is always right…then how can you study them…you can’t. First get rid of those dogma’s and then you might see the hand of the real God.

There is no way…we are the way!
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The Afghans have the invaders on the ropes!
written by saladin , December 28, 2009
David, you seem to be getting frustrated with the AfPak mission, not going as well as you`d like eh?

"Dont be fooled by the press- if there is any failure in this country it is the Afghans failing- not the coalition. just like vietnam- the South Vietnamese lost, not us."

I almost fell off my chair laughing at that one dave.



"look throughout the history of afghanistan- it has been conquered tons of times, but the one thing that never changed was the people- they continue to be uneducated animals. every conquering army simply left afghanistan- none of them were ever militarily defeated- they LEFT willingly because the people were thieves, violent, and plain old stupid."

David,you seem truly shocked and astounded that the Afghans don`t meet your stormtroopers with garlands of flowers and hugs and kisses,instead of the AKs and IEDs.Your clearly so deluded that you are unable to realise that the Afghans hate your occupation and will not rest till you are defeated,just like in Vietnam.
An occupation army needs to win in order not to lose,while a guerilla army needs just not to lose,in order to win.

I`m waiting for that era defining picture of the last yankee helicopter taking off from the roof of the burning embassy in Kabul.
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you moron salad head
written by David , December 28, 2009
boy- you have selective understanding, don't you?
do you even have any concept of what is going on in this country? of course not. you choose to blindly follow islam and not see the world for what it really is.

"I almost fell off my chair laughing at that one dave."

and just why? let's see- the northern alliance asked for our help, so we did. the people of afghanistan asked for our help to rebuild, which we are doing. but the people are corrupt, stupid, ignorant, lazy, and of course muslim. all this adds to an entire culture of people that expect the rest of the world to solve all of their problems instead of fixing them all themselves. hence, the reason the AFGHANIS are failing this whole thing. they are a lazy culture filled with stupidity and prefer to be ignorant, not read or write, and sit in their mud-brick huts and bitch at everything that they themselves cause.
this is typical of muslim countries, and also the reason the middle east is so friggin' backwards.

so yes, salad head- the AFGHANIS are failing to build their own nation. the AFGHANIS allow corrpuption in their government. the AFGHANIS are refusing to modernize themselves. the AFGHANIS refuse to educate their women.

like i said- YOU KNOW NOTHING.

here's another point- the afghanis are more happy to see us americans in their villages than your taliban idiots. we bring food, they take food. we bring medical help, the taliban torture. we build roads, bridges, schools, wells, etc. the taliban blow them up.

i love how you bring up vietnam like it was a loss for my country instead of the truth that it was the failure of the south vietnamese to do anything constructive. it is exactly the same thing in afghanisan. muslims refuse to do anything for themselves. they just refuse to. so their lands are garbage, their people stupid, yet they blame non-muslims for this, even though it is all self-induced.
salad head himself reinforces this by not knowing anything about what is really happening here (he is comfortable in a western country as a hypocrite to his own).

and, salad head, i am perfectly content to continue to remove from this world your little immature ignorant friends over here. i will never grow tired of that. but you wouldn't know anything about that- you are a coward. the afghani army guys we go out on missions with want to kick the crap out of you. they told me you are not a muslim, and you are afraid of everything. we laughed so hard at that one! your own muslims calling you 'not a muslim!' ha ha ha hah!
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if saladpuss were any kind of man at all...
written by Mo-Suck , December 28, 2009
he would run to afghanistan and help his brothers out in their *glorious* struggle against the great satan
But no he's a coward living it up watching his colour tv ,driving his Toyota Corona
around ,buying American food , clothes etc....
His homeland is rubble and it will get worse for him as time passes.
Soon some vigilante group will take him down.
We can only hope :)
The only things he has are by the graces of the US, England, Germany and on and on Free people
But instead he runs at the mouth and is a pussy of the highest degree.
I await your response to the queer'an chapters verses I posted before?
The queer'an sorta reminds me of a book called "Slaughterhouse 5" by Kurt Vonnegut, where Billy Pilgram comes unstuck in time and lives wherever he is in his life...you know the chronocynclasticinfiblium.
Seems the queer'an is written that way with no chronological order.
don't go away mad saladpuss...just go away
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written by The Grand Kaffir of Infidelistan , December 28, 2009
Dave, all my instructors were vietnam vets. They all said one thing, every time the vc/nva went toe to toe with either us (think FSPB Coral/Balmoral or Long Tan) or with the Americans when they were dug in, they had their asses handed to them. However it's hard to save people who don't want to be saved. Corruption that's generationally entrenched and the inate islamic social retardation make strange bedfellows but that is how afghanistan has been since the 1800's at least.
Assclowns like Salad Head really have no idea of the world outside of their front yard. Until he's been asked by a devout muslim family man why another muslim had to blow up his child who was doing nothing more than trying to go to school then he's really unqualified to do anything more than blow hot air out his ass.
Mate, keep your head down, eyes open and remember the best cure for a shahid is a 5.56 administered to the cerebral cortex.
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Grand Kaffir and Mo-Suck
written by David , December 29, 2009
I agree completely with you guys. you can't save a people that are unwilling to be saved. beautifully put.

one of my scouts said the other day 'a Barret .50 cures islamic fanaticism every time.'

heh! you should see how they fly apart. the .50 is truly a weapon to be feared. we call ours 'God.' the Mk 19 grenade launcher is 'Clint Eastwood.' i named my truck after my wife, of course.
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David
written by COMMON SENCE , December 29, 2009
My wife is an afgan (a westernised afgan). We live in dubai and her family migrated to India during war and now they are in US. She read your letter and she agrees with each and every word of yours.
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written by NSC London , December 29, 2009
David said: i named my truck after my wife, of course.

^Ha! Good lad! I named my F150 The Silver Avenger. Getting an XLT next year, if I can find the color I want he'll be named Wesley Snipes.
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Yeah Dave so spot on..
written by Mo-Suck , December 29, 2009
and the Barret does it from a mile and a half away.
I do, though, think I have saladpuss figured out...any additions will be great..
He is a boy between the ages of 14-17, his parents fled some dunghole and he was raised in the US.
I got this from when he had a fit about my nick...a man wouldn't do that.
He has a thing for Saladin, who was a great man, allowing all religions their way without intervention.
But he is like him like ...you get the picture.
He is immature and he is in High School, prolly 11th or 12th grade.
He feels alienated in the US because he feels that he doesn't belong.
If we all just ignore anything and everything he posts...he will have a hissy fit and piss off from here and we can have peace.
So on it goes...
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Interesting
written by David , December 29, 2009
COMMON SENCE: what aprt of afghanistan is your wife from? is she pashtun? tajik? hazara? she from kabul? logar? nangahar? kandahar? mazar-e-sharif? herat? balkh? this is cool! a real afghani to talk with outside of the country! please ask her- how the heck can we get this country fixed? how do we motivate a people with no motivation at all? dont be mistaken- there is a minority that wants to change- but they are outnumbered by those that are content to not do anything.
MO-SUCK- i cant argue with your analysis. seems pretty accurate to me, man.
NSC LONDON- i should have said 'my uparmored humvee.' it is a true thing of beauty! with a big friggin' machine gun sticking out the top !'wesley snipes-' awesome!!!
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check this out...
written by Mo-Suck , December 29, 2009
..why the hell we don't use this in the hills over there beats the crap outa me...oh yeah liberals and mobama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTdy1Yp1h5A


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written by NSC London , December 30, 2009
I totally agree with MoSuck's assessment of Aladdin. 1) He writes way, way too well to be an authentic Muzz. 2) He's got that whole indignant liberal college kid vibe happening. My bet is he's quite young and possibly quite white as well.

David - I thought you meant your family vehicle, doh! Sounds like a kickass vehicle :)
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NSC London
written by David , December 30, 2009
heh! yeah- it is pretty bad! lots of scars on her, but she gets the job done.

funny- muslim nations dont really manufacture anything of military value, do they? nope. afghanistan has almost no industry over here. nothing. they are completely dependant on other countries for everything. pakistan has some industry, and it is all low quality garbage. iran makes some nice candy and laundry soap, but nothing compared to Western products.

i bet is we just stopped selling them everything they would all just die.

man, we need to get off of saudi oil and watch the entire muslim world just descend into utter chaos.
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written by NSC London , December 30, 2009
I have a real fondness for badass, beatup trucks, got a few in the family in fact. My friends in the US give me such a hard time about my choice of vehicles as the rest of my existence is freakishly girly (for instance, today is pink dress and nailpolish day, YAY!) but you just can't beat a giant truck for utility and security. Allah willing, I'll never go back to cars.


To your point about the lack of industry in the middle east, I'd imagine the halloumi cheese business is booming, and maybe the turban industry as well, but otherwise I can't think of anything of any value produced by the Arab world. We're at this odd juncture in human history where part of the world has advanced hundreds of years beyond the rest of the world. There are vast stretches of earth peopled by individuals who are governed by superstition, inbreeding and who have never learned to read and write. It's a really strange thing to observe. What is to be done with these folks? I guess you and your colleagues in AF are figuring out that answer right now.
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written by NSC London , December 30, 2009
Also, regarding Saudi oil, Gawahar field won't be around for much longer, last I read it was pumping 20% saltwater, forecast to rise to 50% (the point of field collapse) by 2020. At that point the largest oil field on earth will be totally cashed out. Luckily for us, the US now has control of earth's second largest oil field, thanks for the memories and all that texas tea Saddam!!!

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David
written by COMMON SENCE , December 30, 2009
My wifes from kabul her family left AF in 1991. She was only 9 yrs old. She always admire russians for trying their best to bring civilisation and betterment to her country but all in vain.

Your question on how to change the turbanised and bearded humans like creatures in AF, she says take a few as a sample to US and do research on their brains in your finest laboratories, maybe you are able to find out the manufacturing fault and repair it with your technology..
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Common Sence
written by David , December 31, 2009
what part of akbul? sherpur? bibimaru? khair khana? qala haskmatkhan? near bala hissar in the old city? is she pashtun? tajik? turkomen? hazara? thank God she got out of the country before the taliban took over. between them and the mujahedin the city of kabul was laid to waste. the southern part of the city is still wrecked and beyond recovery. the king's palace in darulaman is still destroyed, as is the queen's palace.

shame. it used to be beautiful here.
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I appreciate her
written by Vijay Kumar , January 02, 2010
I appreciate her after all she is also asking law, All merciful, All knowing Allah should help her by sending Muhammed and Dr. Zakir Naik to hell.
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Imperientostinire
written by Mohammad Swerryky , January 03, 2010
Muslimer är plattskallar som tror på vad en pedofil har yttryckt i sagoboken Koranen. Ni är underutvecklade helt och hållet gällande social samvaro,ni kan inte leva tillsammans med normala människor men lika förbannat invaderar ni och förstör varenda land satans kufer.
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maybe the approved saladpuss copy/paste can work against him
written by Mo-Suck , January 03, 2010
Qur'an (4:11) - (Inheritance) "The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females" (see also verse 4:176).

Qur'an (2:282) - (Court testimony) "And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not found then a man and two women." Muslim apologists have sometimes creatively tried to explain why a woman's testimony is worth half that of a man's under Islamic law (based on this verse) while still attempting to maintain the semblance of equality. Unfortunately for them, studies consistently show that women are less likely to tell lies than men, meaning that they would make more reliable witnesses in any court - were it not for Islam's obvious sexism.

Qur'an (2:228) - "and the men are a degree above them [women]"

Qur'an (5:6) - "And if ye are unclean, purify yourselves. And if ye are sick or on a journey, or one of you cometh from the closet, or ye have had contact with women, and ye find not water, then go to clean, high ground and rub your faces and your hands with some of it" Men are to rub dirt on their hands if there is no water to purify them following casual contact with a woman (such as shaking hands).

Qur'an (24:31) - Women are to lower their gaze around men, so they do not look them in the eye.

Qur'an (2:223) - "Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will..." A man has dominion over his wives' bodies as he does his land. This verse is overtly sexual. There is some dispute as to whether it is referring to the practice of anal intercourse, which it has been used historically to justify. If this is what Muhammad meant, however, then it would appear to contradict what he said in Muslim (8:3365).

Qur'an (4:3) - (Wife-to-husband ratio) "Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four"

Qur'an (53:27) - "Those who believe not in the Hereafter, name the angels with female names." Angels are sublime beings, and would therefore be male.

Qur'an (4:24) and Qur'an (33:52) - A man is permitted to take women as sex slaves outside of marriage.

So to muslimea and the rest of you apologists eat shit
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MO-SUCK
written by David , January 04, 2010
MO-SUCK!!!!! YEAH!!!
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written by muslim by name muslim by nature , January 11, 2010
its so funny how many people are so quick to slander islam...well do as u will it wont change anything, as for that woman she is clearly misguided Allah knows what we know not...we are so quick to seek fulfillment of our own desires and for wot...she wants 4 husbands..well let her try n even get one...the ratio of men to women makes it impossible for every woman in the world to have one husband let alone to have more than one...gud luck to her...at the end of the day I am proud to be muslim and yes I am a woman and I have been born and raised in the UK and I completelyy understand why polygamy is allowed in islam i dont question it I have no right to question it....you guys are really sad the efforts you go to slander islam...it is bloody hilarious as if your pathetic misguided views will change anyone's belief in islam...as for Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) when judgement day comes it is going to be all you disbelievers who run to him to beg him to intercede for your on behalf but he wont. How dare you slander such a great man infact the greatest man alive...u have no right to insult him when you know so little of the religion itself...you speak of things you know nothing about...you just copy and paste things out of articles hating on muslims and think you have read the Quran...oh well i will not waste any more time on you people...If Allah won't help you nobody else can. I pity you all who slander islam and dont worry when the time comes and you finallyy realise the truth it will be too late then...remember whoever laughs last laughs the hardest...so have ur cheap laughs now
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to muslim by name muslim by nature
written by viv , July 05, 2010
YOU ARE WRONG. There are MORE men than women in all age groups up to the age of 60 in all countries ( excluding war torn countries) Look up the statistics and see for yourself. All women to the age of 60 will have a choice as it is women who are in shorter supply. The birth ratio is consistent at 106 boys born for every 100 girls in every country. In younger age groups, teens and twenties this results in a large surplus of males. There is parity until around 60 years when males start dying off resulting in more females which gives an overall majority of females in the society BUT ONLY IN THE OLDER AGE GROUPS. So.... it would make perfect sense for women to have 4 husbands!
As you are a woman you should be ashamed of yourself for being so disloyal to your own sisters by advocating this barbaric practice which is cruel to both the wives and children. It degrades your gender.
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written by Yasmine , July 05, 2010
@to muslim by name muslim by nature, You should really try living in Saudi Arabia for a few years. You know the birth place of the greatest human to live. What are you doing in Kuffr UK?

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