A list of similarities between Muhammad and Mormon prophet Joseph Smith, and their religious doctrines... Quite striking...
- "Modern Mohammedanism has its Mecca at Salt Lake... Clearly the Koran was Joseph Smith's model, so closely followed as to exclude even the poor pretension of originality in his foul 'revelations.'" (The Women of Mormonism, Frances E. Willard, 1882, Introduction, p. xvi)
- "The student of Mormonism will be struck with the similarity of experience and claims of Joseph Smith and Mohammed." (The Rocky Mountain Saints, T. B. H. Stenhouse 1873, p 2)
- "even though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed" Gal 1:8
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Similarities between Joseph Smith and Muhammad:
- The followers of Muhammad and Joseph Smith both killed innocent "infidel" on the same date of 9/11. On September 11, 1857, Mormon militia massacred about 140 men, women and children under the authority of Brigham Young. However, 17 very young children were spared and adopted into Mormon families. They were, in fact, sold to the highest Mormon bidder and resold and traded many times afterwards. This event is called "The Mountain Meadows" massacre. Mormon leaders engaged in a deliberate rewriting of history to deny they were behind the massacre. On September 11, 2001, Muhammad's followers, inspired by teachings of the Koran, sent two airplanes into the World Trade Center killing 3,000 innocent men, women and children. Muslims have attained higher degree in denying the massacre and rewriting history, and preach that actually Jews, not Muslim terrorists, were behind the 9/11 terror attacks.
- Both Muhammad and Joseph Smith were visited by an angel. Joseph Smith was visited by the angel "Moroni", Muhammad by Gabriel.
- Both were given visions.
- Both were told that ‘no true religion existed on the earth’... In the published account of his life, Joseph Smith related that he became very disturbed when he was a youth because of the "strife among the different (Christian) denominations," and this "cry and tumult" led him to ask God "which of all the sects were right—and which I should join." He was told that he must "join none of them, for they were all wrong... that all their creeds were an abomination in God's sight, that those professors (of faith) were all corrupt..." (Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith 2:8-19). N. J. Dawood says that Muhammad was also concerned with the fact that Jews and Christians had "divided themselves into schismatic sects." In Muhammad's scriptures, we read: "Yet the Sects are divided concerning Jesus.... Truly, the unbelievers are in the grossest error" (The Koran, translated by N. J. Dawood, Surah 19, p. 34). In Surah 30 (p. 190), a warning appears regarding it: "Do not split up your religion into sects, each exulting in its own beliefs." In Surah 3, (p. 398), we read: "The only true faith in Allah's sight is Islam. Those to whom the Scriptures (i.e., Jews & Christians) were given disagreed among themselves through jealousy only after knowledge had been given them."
- Both were to restore the long lost faith as the one true religion. Islam makes claim that Adam and Abraham were Muslims, a claim as ridiculous as it is undocumented from either history or archaeology. Mormons make the unsubstantiated claim that the churches in the first century were Mormon.
- Both wrote a book inspired by God.
- Both claimed to be illiterate or uneducated and used this as proof the book was inspired. "How could an illiterate man write the Koran or the Book of Mormon?" Joseph Smith is claimed to have only grade-three education.
- Both claimed the Bible was lost, altered, corrupted and unreliable.
- Both claimed their holy book was the most correct and perfect on earth.
- Both claimed that their new "Bible" was based upon a record stored in heaven. With Islam, it is the "mother book" that resides in heaven with God. With Mormonism, it is the golden Nephi plates that the angel Moroni took back to heaven.
- Both claim that the versions we have in our hands today are identical to what the prophet revealed and that no parts are lost, altered and corrupted. Of course, the proof that these claims are invalid is found in two books itself. The Mormon claim is proven false by a book called "3913 Changes to Book of Mormon" by Sandra Tanner. The Islamic claim is proven false by a book (in Arabic language) called, "Making Easy the Readings of What Has Been Sent Down" by Muhammad Fahd Khaaruun. Both books show that the copy of the book of Mormon and the Koran used today is different from what was originally used when each religion was started.
- Both claimed to be a final prophet of God.
- Both claimed they were persecuted because of their pure faith.
- Both were polygamists with many wives.
- Both borrowed from paganism/polytheism. Muhammad incorporated the polytheistic moon god called "Allah" and "Allah's three daughters" into Islam. Basically Muhammad chose Allah from within 360-odd idol-gods, housed in the Ka'ba, that were worshipped in Arabia by the pagans and proclaimed the moon-god to be the greatest God, Allah. Smith borrowed from a doctrine called "pyramidology" and the Masons and other magic systems.
- Both received "corrective revelations" from God. Muhammad retracted the Satanic verses and Mormons retracted Smith's divine order mandating polygamy. But for Mormons, there is even closer parallels:
"As many false reports have been circulated respecting the following work, and also many unlawful measures taken by evil designing persons to destroy me, and also the work, I would inform you that I translated by the gift and power of God, and caused to be written, one hundred and sixteen pages, which I took from the Book of Lehi... which said account, some person or persons have stolen and kept from me, notwithstanding my utmost exertions to recover it again—and being commanded of the Lord that I should not translate the same over again, for Satan had put it into their hearts to tempt the Lord their God, by altering the words, that they did read contrary from that which I translated and caused to be written; and if I should bring forth the same words again, or, in other words, if I should translate the same over, they would publish that which they had stolen, and Satan would stir up the hearts of this generation, that they might not receive this work: but behold, the Lord said unto me, I will not suffer that Satan shall accomplish his evil design in this thing: therefore thou shalt translate from the plates of Nephi, until ye come to that which ye have translated... I will show unto them that my wisdom is greater than the cunning of the Devil." (Book of Mormon, 1830 edition, Preface)
Sounds exactly like Muhammad and his satanic verses.
- Immediately after the death of Muhammad and Smith, a fight broke out among the "faithful converts" as to who would succeed them. Both groups were plunged into irreparable division that has endured ever since. Islam and Mormonism both have squabbles among themselves as to who is the one true splinter group of their prophet!
- Mormons, contrary to the Bible, "baptize the dead" by gathering genealogies of all men who lived on earth. This contradicts the Bible: "But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless" (Tit 3:9). While the Bible says avoid focusing in genealogies, the Mormon church makes it their central focus of mission. Mormons have even been criticized for baptizing, by proxy, the Jews, who died in the Nazi Holocaust camps. When lists of genealogies are collected, living Mormons are baptized, on behalf of, those on the lists, who have already died. In this way, Mormons view every man who lived, as being Mormons. In the same way Muslims claim that all men are born Muslims and when they learn the truth of Christianity, they are apostatizing from their first faith. Muslims rewrite history by proclaiming that Jesus and the Apostles were Muslims, which is similar to Mormons' baptizing the Jews (for example) with the expectation that they will be Mormons in the next life. Yet gathering of large genealogical lists no more makes dead people Mormons in the next life, than rewriting history makes Jesus into a Muslim.
- Both the Islam and Mormon religions have those, who follow the "original doctrine" of the founding leaders, and like these founding leaders, are violent, polygamists and use revelations in justification of their evil actions.
- Both Muslims and Mormons (and Jehovah's Witnesses) have progressive revelation. JW’s call it "new light". Muslims call it "Nasikh". Jehovah’s Witnesses were once instructed to celebrate Christmas, birthdays and salute the flag, but "new light" changed all that. Mormons like all Muslims, were originally polygamists until "The Manifesto" against polygamy came as a revelation to John Taylor, over 40 years after Smith's death, on the eve of the US government outlawing the practice of polygamy. New revelation always replaces older revelation that became inconvenient to the prophet.
Surah 9:30: "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they!"
Altruistic!
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written by alhamdulillahhhhh halleluia.......this is great , July 21, 2010
written by waterwillows , July 21, 2010
Goes to show what men won't do to be the enslavers of women. They will lies to God, lie to their families, lie to their neighbours and lie even to themselves.
This obsession with the practice of "baptize the dead" will only bring the Energies that attack from many different paths. So they will have not only their own troubles, but foolishly, the troubles of many others. Not a very nice experience. It will take much longer and they will likely wind up with nothing for all their misery.
Arrogrance and pride is always punished. The Lord hates it.
This obsession with the practice of "baptize the dead" will only bring the Energies that attack from many different paths. So they will have not only their own troubles, but foolishly, the troubles of many others. Not a very nice experience. It will take much longer and they will likely wind up with nothing for all their misery.
Arrogrance and pride is always punished. The Lord hates it.
written by duh_swami , July 21, 2010
Very interesting article Brokaan ...Thanks...
I studied with the Mormons (missionaries) for about two weeks once...I asked too many questions so they gave up on me...Besides, I'm not going to wear that strange underwear required for men...
Since the US may at some point elect a Mormon for president, this is a timely article...
I studied with the Mormons (missionaries) for about two weeks once...I asked too many questions so they gave up on me...Besides, I'm not going to wear that strange underwear required for men...
Since the US may at some point elect a Mormon for president, this is a timely article...
written by ChrisLA , July 21, 2010
This is a good comparison, and I hope others who are well versed in Mormon doctrine can built on what has been presented. It seems that Mormons are a bit more practical than Muslims. When polygamy became an obstacle for obtaining statehood, Mormons quickly abandoned that God-given command. Later, when the Mormon exclusion of Blacks from their churches ran up against the Civil Rights laws, they quickly abandoned their God-given racial discrimination. Muslims, on the other hand, will not abandon any of their draconian practices -- and non-Muslims tirelessly accommodate multiple wives on welfare, foot baths in universities and airports, dhimmi prohibitions against criticizing Islamic ideology, etc. Maybe that's because of one major difference between Muslims and Mormons: While there have been a few violent incidents in Mormon history, Islamic history has been, and continues to be, violent to the core. Only the most courageous of leaders will stand up to them.
written by Andy in WA , July 21, 2010
But Mormonism doesn't appear to be a religion of hate, and I don't recall ever hearing of Mormon terrorists.
written by me , July 21, 2010
Number 12 is incorrect. The Mormon church has had a continuous line of prophets since Joseph Smith. Mormons believe that God's prophet leads them here on earth.
written by waterwillows , July 21, 2010
Me,
Yet just like muslims, mormons practice the art of deception and lies. They have no prophet on earth......ever.
Yet just like muslims, mormons practice the art of deception and lies. They have no prophet on earth......ever.
written by dead or alive , July 22, 2010
first new moon in september,or rare late august till mid september is high time for baal worshipers to rape ,kill and have fun.it is the new year for those who observe the pre flood Genesis calendar.the 17th day of the 2nd month is halloween,or what the pagans call day of the dead.God wiped them out yet moon worshipers shrine them.those who wear the fez lead this bizarre relligion in usa.the masons killed capt morgan,hero of war in1812.ww2 starts and ends in this time frame.in 1922 the last of the 7 churches in the book of Revelation is raped and burnt to the ground by muslims while u s, english,and french warships watch with approval.1955, the muslim trurks went on a rampage against what was left of the christens in istanbul,raping and burning while the world international police forces are in town!the guy fleming, who wrote james bond saw the whole thing..and the list goes on in this date in history.
written by Rationalist , July 22, 2010
Whatever may be the similarities between Mormonism and Islam, the Mormons have not resorted to Universal Jihad or mass killing in the name of Joseph Smith.
written by waterwillows , July 22, 2010
Rationalist,
This is true that mormons have not resorted to jihad or mass killing. However Mo and Joe do have something is common. That is the desire, attempt and enforcement for the enslavement of women for sexual purposes. This does not please the Most High. He created them equal but Mo and Joe subvert the intentions of the Lord, to their own folly.
Men of these intentions will not only wind up as despised weaklings, but their access to any women will pretty much be nil. Besides, women will be stronger than them. So rape is definitely out of the picture.
Men who multiply wives/women will have a difficult time as well. They will have to answer for each and every single female. Be it for one hour or a lifetime, muslims and mormons will not enjoy the total accounting.
The Lord has always discouraged the taking of numerous wives. He knows what the end payment is going to be. But some men don't listen.
Funny thing though, everyone does listen after their time of paybacks. Too bad we can't get it to happen before their troubles.
This is true that mormons have not resorted to jihad or mass killing. However Mo and Joe do have something is common. That is the desire, attempt and enforcement for the enslavement of women for sexual purposes. This does not please the Most High. He created them equal but Mo and Joe subvert the intentions of the Lord, to their own folly.
Men of these intentions will not only wind up as despised weaklings, but their access to any women will pretty much be nil. Besides, women will be stronger than them. So rape is definitely out of the picture.
Men who multiply wives/women will have a difficult time as well. They will have to answer for each and every single female. Be it for one hour or a lifetime, muslims and mormons will not enjoy the total accounting.
The Lord has always discouraged the taking of numerous wives. He knows what the end payment is going to be. But some men don't listen.
Funny thing though, everyone does listen after their time of paybacks. Too bad we can't get it to happen before their troubles.
written by Walter Sieruk , July 22, 2010
Both Muhammad and Joseph Smith were and are false prophets, Matthew &:15,.Therefore, they are both now suffering in hell for leading many people astray.
written by Scrutator , July 22, 2010
alhamdulillahhhhh halleluia....." actually muhamed reborn as mormon prophet."
Are you sure ?
To be reborn, Mohammed would first have to resurrect himself from the depths of Hell, where he has been consigned to for his evil 'karma' !
Are you sure ?
To be reborn, Mohammed would first have to resurrect himself from the depths of Hell, where he has been consigned to for his evil 'karma' !
written by gfmucci , July 22, 2010
This is an unfortunate posting. It is a "split our ranks" post. It is an off-the mark attempt at "moral equivalency". Why not go back a thousand years to the Christian Crusades to show that evil Christians did the same thing that evil Muslims do. Now and then I have posted my dismay about how I believe some Mormons pander a bit much to Muslims because they mistakenly believe they have so much in common. But the "works" of each religion are in fact diametrically opposite. I'd hate to see this site scatter its focus from the evils and threats of Islam to dividing and conquoring religious allies, despite how much you dislike the religion (Mormonism). There are tremenously more differences, and more significant differences, between Islam and Mormonism than there are similarities. In fact, as I was reading through the list of "similarities" I was thinking to myself that early Christianity itself could be accused of having some of the very same similarities as the creation of Islam. Oh my gosh, a new holy book (new Testament) is forming that supercedes the Law and the Prophets. Oh oh, it looks like another Qur'an to me. Give me a break.
written by gfmucci , July 23, 2010
The real shame, welll beyond perceived similarities between religions, is the failure of Christian churches, especially main line denominations, the Lutherans, Presbyterians, Methodists, Catholics, Episcopalians, and Baptists, to contrast the differences between Christianianity and Islam. Christians are for the most part ignorant of differences with Islam. Way too many church goers are not even aware of the most basic differences: Allah and the God of the Bible. It is as though the discussion of the evil of Islam is taboo in our Christian churches. The sermons and teaching in most churches seems to be entirely stuck in the first century. Current events, especially dealing with the Islamic threat, are rarely discussed as a backdrop to teaching Christian doctrine. Do churches believe that would be too political, too controversial, someone might be offended, or their 501c3 might be in jeopardy? The early church did not shy away from discussing the problems with the Pharisees, or the money changers, or the tax collectors, or the pagans of the day. Why are we also dwelling in the first century in our teaching when there is a wealth of current day, relevant issues that need the light of Christian doctrine and wisdom? The void of understanding the threat among Christians is going to be filled by the aggressive devoutness of Islam before we wake up.
written by duh_swami , July 23, 2010
I agree that Christian churches have ignored the Islamic threat. Just for clarification 501-c-3 in the US is a non profit designation, Churches and religious organizations get religious exemptions that are more generous than 501-C-3...Once a religious tax exemption is granted, the religion can operate almost like the IRS didn't exist...Sweet huh...
written by gfmucci , July 23, 2010
Right. Apparently the 501c3 status for churches is optional: http://www.churchnetusa.com/blog/?p=77 and http://hushmoney.org/501c3-facts.htm
If the tax code is so generous to churches, why do so many seem to remain so fearful of the tax man? To what extent is fear of losing their tax exempt status a reasons for churches avoiding the discussion of the Islamic Threat? Or is it mostly the "do not judge" and "love thy enemy" kind of stuff? Those things should not justify continuing ignorance, however. Knowledge and facts are supposed to be good things, or so I thought.
If the tax code is so generous to churches, why do so many seem to remain so fearful of the tax man? To what extent is fear of losing their tax exempt status a reasons for churches avoiding the discussion of the Islamic Threat? Or is it mostly the "do not judge" and "love thy enemy" kind of stuff? Those things should not justify continuing ignorance, however. Knowledge and facts are supposed to be good things, or so I thought.
written by Walter Sieruk , July 23, 2010
It is Matthew 7:15 that Jesus warned about the coming of false prophets. That can and may be applyed to both Muhammad and Joseph Smith. It reads "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.'
written by gfmucci , July 24, 2010
False prophets or Islam? My point is that Christian sects have accused one another of being "false prophets" ever since Christ. That is devisive and counter-productive to the purpose of this web site.
written by duh_swami , July 24, 2010
written by gfmucci , July 24, 2010
False prophets or Islam? My point is that Christian sects have accused one another of being "false prophets" ever since Christ.
'Prophets' are not religions or sects of religion. 'Prophets' are individuals...
Prophets prophetize, a false prophet prophetizes falsely...Christianity has never had an official Prophet...Popes would be the closest, but Popes are not Prophets, they are Popes...Yet you are right in the sense that there are various forms of Christianity, that are in basic agreement, but differ (sometimes violently) over details...The real difference is that Islam is not flexible, but Christianity is...The biggest problem with Christianity is its flexibility, this allows evil men with an agenda to gain control even temporarily...Whenever Christians act up, it is in spite of Christianity, not because of it...When Muslims act up it is because of Islam, not in spite of it...The main observation is that Christianity can be 'temporarily' used by men with dubious intent, where with Islam, men with dubious intent (as far as kufr' disbelievers are concerned), are always in control...permanently...Quran 8:39 and others like it are the basis...
False prophets or Islam? My point is that Christian sects have accused one another of being "false prophets" ever since Christ.
'Prophets' are not religions or sects of religion. 'Prophets' are individuals...
Prophets prophetize, a false prophet prophetizes falsely...Christianity has never had an official Prophet...Popes would be the closest, but Popes are not Prophets, they are Popes...Yet you are right in the sense that there are various forms of Christianity, that are in basic agreement, but differ (sometimes violently) over details...The real difference is that Islam is not flexible, but Christianity is...The biggest problem with Christianity is its flexibility, this allows evil men with an agenda to gain control even temporarily...Whenever Christians act up, it is in spite of Christianity, not because of it...When Muslims act up it is because of Islam, not in spite of it...The main observation is that Christianity can be 'temporarily' used by men with dubious intent, where with Islam, men with dubious intent (as far as kufr' disbelievers are concerned), are always in control...permanently...Quran 8:39 and others like it are the basis...
written by NEWCOMER , July 24, 2010
i understand that ther is sectarianism in all religions i.e wahabism in islam who commit the terroristal actiities - which most muslims i knw r completely against such as those who are known as sunni's and conduct the practice of sufism. in regards to mormons can sum1 plz tel me wot that is - ive nver heard of it - and all the abrahamic religions r very similar so wud that nt mke mormons religion similar n consistent with the rst too??
written by duh_swami , July 25, 2010
From post above...i understand that ther is sectarianism in all religions i.e wahabism in islam who commit the terroristal actiities - which most muslims i knw r completely against...
What do these Muslims who are against terrorism do about it?...How can a pious, or devout Muslim be against this as a tactic when Allah himself is terrorist...Quran 8:12...and Mohammad was all for it, He said 'I have been made victorious by terror'...
There may be some Muslims who think terrorism is the wrong tactic, but never condemn the actual terrorists, or jihad...This is because jihad is an obligation to Allah...The purpose of jihad is to remove all obstacles to the spread of Islam...
Muslims may have disagreements about how that should be done, but they are all in agreement that it should be done...Quran 8:39 and 2:193 demands it...
Muslims who deny this are either lying, or in dangerously close to apostasy...
One difference between Islam and the other religions, is they have no verses like 8:39...
What do these Muslims who are against terrorism do about it?...How can a pious, or devout Muslim be against this as a tactic when Allah himself is terrorist...Quran 8:12...and Mohammad was all for it, He said 'I have been made victorious by terror'...
There may be some Muslims who think terrorism is the wrong tactic, but never condemn the actual terrorists, or jihad...This is because jihad is an obligation to Allah...The purpose of jihad is to remove all obstacles to the spread of Islam...
Muslims may have disagreements about how that should be done, but they are all in agreement that it should be done...Quran 8:39 and 2:193 demands it...
Muslims who deny this are either lying, or in dangerously close to apostasy...
One difference between Islam and the other religions, is they have no verses like 8:39...
written by NEWCOMER , July 26, 2010
Thank you for your advise.
I have alot of Muslim friends who are actively against terrorism and I have read the following verses in the Quran;
O ye who believe!... [do not] kill yourselves, for truly Allah has been to you Most Merciful. If any do that in rancour and injustice, soon shall We cast him into the Fire..." (Qur'an 4:29-30).
"Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause..." (17:33).
Which is surely against terrorism.
I am currently reading up on a man called Abdul Wahab ibn Najd, who only came around 150 years or so ago and with the help of the our society i.e American Society set up a "new islamic sect" who believe that war is the answer to everything. The majority of the muslims i know condemn this man completely.
I have alot of Muslim friends who are actively against terrorism and I have read the following verses in the Quran;
O ye who believe!... [do not] kill yourselves, for truly Allah has been to you Most Merciful. If any do that in rancour and injustice, soon shall We cast him into the Fire..." (Qur'an 4:29-30).
"Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause..." (17:33).
Which is surely against terrorism.
I am currently reading up on a man called Abdul Wahab ibn Najd, who only came around 150 years or so ago and with the help of the our society i.e American Society set up a "new islamic sect" who believe that war is the answer to everything. The majority of the muslims i know condemn this man completely.
written by duh_swami , July 26, 2010
"Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause..." (17:33).
Which is surely against terrorism.
Not necessarily...There are numerous aya's that mention and support terrorism...
Terrorism is not the main problem...It is a tactic only...The real question is who is using it and why?
The reason for Islamic terrorism is jihad...so if you want to know about Islamic terrorism, you have to study the doctrine of jihad...and I don't mean 'inner struggle'...
Which is surely against terrorism.
Not necessarily...There are numerous aya's that mention and support terrorism...
Terrorism is not the main problem...It is a tactic only...The real question is who is using it and why?
The reason for Islamic terrorism is jihad...so if you want to know about Islamic terrorism, you have to study the doctrine of jihad...and I don't mean 'inner struggle'...
written by duh_swami , July 26, 2010
"Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause..." (17:33).
Which is surely against terrorism.
Not necessarily...there are numerous verses that mention and support terrorism...But it is a tactic only, the reason for it is jihad...If you want to know about Islamic terrorism, study the doctrine of jihad...
Which is surely against terrorism.
Not necessarily...there are numerous verses that mention and support terrorism...But it is a tactic only, the reason for it is jihad...If you want to know about Islamic terrorism, study the doctrine of jihad...
written by duh_swami , July 26, 2010
O ye who believe!... [do not] kill yourselves, for truly Allah has been to you Most Merciful. If any do that in rancour and injustice, soon shall We cast him into the Fire..." (Qur'an 4:29-30).
But what if it is not done in rancur or injusice...Maybe the suicidal terrorist is doing it in the cause of Allah, the ultimate jihadi act of blowing yourself up and taking numbers of those warring against Allah with them...Allah will not throw the exploded jihadi in the furnace, but find him a comfortable couch in paradise, some wine and the whole line of virgins...
But what if it is not done in rancur or injusice...Maybe the suicidal terrorist is doing it in the cause of Allah, the ultimate jihadi act of blowing yourself up and taking numbers of those warring against Allah with them...Allah will not throw the exploded jihadi in the furnace, but find him a comfortable couch in paradise, some wine and the whole line of virgins...
written by Explorer1 , July 28, 2010
Dear Friends,
Bin Laden is not a follower of Muhammad. If he was, he wold never have commited the attrocity of 9/11. This event was a complete violation of the Islamic Shariah Law!! Everything from the idea of suicide, the killing of innocent people, the destroying of physical buildings, the premeditation etc were all complete and criminal violations in the eye of the Shariat Law! No Islamic Law Scholar sides this or concedes the authority of this event!
Bin Laden is a politician and a man who did what he did out of pride and personal revenge against America. A slight stroll into his history would reveal his long lasting enmity and personal issues against the united states.
How dare he use the flag of Islam to justify his barbarianism!
Islam means peace and it certaily promotes it. Should Islam have promoted war and barbarianism like bin laden has portaryed; then there would have been many more 9/11's in the history of the muslims...but NO!
Bin laden is from a new cult known as the Wahabi Sect. These barbarians are in the minority, less than 5% of all muslims. They present new innovations of barbarianism and draconianism, they are terrorist.
Think about this, Since 1400 years, Muslims have lived harmoniously with all other religions, creeds and cultures.
I Have read some of the above verses quoted from the Qura'aan. I can firmly say that they are taken out of context completely.
The reasons, circumstance and nature of revelation must be understood to determine the true meaning of any given verse. Every verse has its own study and background. The True interpretation of the Quraan is known as Tafsir ul Quraan, it is a study which requires many years of deep study to accomplish. Only certified scholars are able to do this. They have generated much text and exurgues to this effect. It is no wonder that you are confused my friends.
It would be better to refer to these Tafsirs of the Quraan (i.e Commentary of the Quraan).
Thankyou for Reading
Regards
Bin Laden is not a follower of Muhammad. If he was, he wold never have commited the attrocity of 9/11. This event was a complete violation of the Islamic Shariah Law!! Everything from the idea of suicide, the killing of innocent people, the destroying of physical buildings, the premeditation etc were all complete and criminal violations in the eye of the Shariat Law! No Islamic Law Scholar sides this or concedes the authority of this event!
Bin Laden is a politician and a man who did what he did out of pride and personal revenge against America. A slight stroll into his history would reveal his long lasting enmity and personal issues against the united states.
How dare he use the flag of Islam to justify his barbarianism!
Islam means peace and it certaily promotes it. Should Islam have promoted war and barbarianism like bin laden has portaryed; then there would have been many more 9/11's in the history of the muslims...but NO!
Bin laden is from a new cult known as the Wahabi Sect. These barbarians are in the minority, less than 5% of all muslims. They present new innovations of barbarianism and draconianism, they are terrorist.
Think about this, Since 1400 years, Muslims have lived harmoniously with all other religions, creeds and cultures.
I Have read some of the above verses quoted from the Qura'aan. I can firmly say that they are taken out of context completely.
The reasons, circumstance and nature of revelation must be understood to determine the true meaning of any given verse. Every verse has its own study and background. The True interpretation of the Quraan is known as Tafsir ul Quraan, it is a study which requires many years of deep study to accomplish. Only certified scholars are able to do this. They have generated much text and exurgues to this effect. It is no wonder that you are confused my friends.
It would be better to refer to these Tafsirs of the Quraan (i.e Commentary of the Quraan).
Thankyou for Reading
Regards
written by newcomer123 , July 28, 2010
Dear Friends,
In Reference to the above verse 8:12 where you refer to allah as a terrorist. It seem as hough you have taken the verse purely out of context. Allow me to elaborate.
It is without doubt that every single religion on the face of this earth has some source of punishmental procedure, e.g. you do something wrong, you must be punished.
This theme is not only existant with god, this is also existant amongst us!
e.g when our children do wrong, we discipline them. God Punishes his creation is they defy his laws right?
Would it be right to class parents as Terrorist?
As parents strike terror in the hearts of children as a form of discipline. This is common practice.
A Horror movie seeks to d exactly the same! i.e. inspire terror in the hearts of the viewers. Does that noe make the producers terrorist.
Every country has set punishmental laws and procudures in place against those who violate the law of the land!
Moreover, the American government still imposes the dealth penalty on those who defy the law! does anyone ever say they are terrorist?
Truely, this is a form of white collar terrorism, in accord to the above notion which you present. It is in effect, a white collar crime.
Does anyone label them Terrorist?? Why?
...The so-called dominant government of the western world.
All governments are in authority, to punish for those who seek to defy the law of the land! Pnishments vary from minor to severe and seen above. They are administered by the likes of officails sat in buildings of cliber and power, governing the USA.
If the above is the effect of violating a law of the land againnst human, (which is accepted),...then Imagine the blasphemy against god for defiyng his Law!! (and why is this put into disrepute by the writer above??? why these double standards??) Every religion believes in this fundamental concept. In the verse above where you quote God to be a terrorist, i would like to elaborate in its true connertation.
In that verse, God says the following in regards to people eho defied His Laws:
8:12. (Remember) when your Lord revealed to the angels, "Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved..."
8:13. This is because they defied and disobeyed Allah and His Messenger. And whoever defies and disobeys Allah and His Messenger, then verily, Allah is severe in punishment. )
At the time, Muslims had rule over the entire corpus of the Arabian Peninsula, and many parts of the Asian Peninsula too. As Custodians of the Law of God alongside the law of the land (Which is one- True Islam does not have double standards) the above was clearly in their jurisdiction.
And when GOD throws, some of your people into the fire, and surely he Will as this theme is prevalent in every religion in the world, would you say this was the idea of Terror?
I WOULD CERTAINLY THINK SO.
Please think carefully and fully explore the nature of a comment before making it.
It was amatuer in its effect as i have proved in the above.
I hope this has assisted your understanding
Regards.
In Reference to the above verse 8:12 where you refer to allah as a terrorist. It seem as hough you have taken the verse purely out of context. Allow me to elaborate.
It is without doubt that every single religion on the face of this earth has some source of punishmental procedure, e.g. you do something wrong, you must be punished.
This theme is not only existant with god, this is also existant amongst us!
e.g when our children do wrong, we discipline them. God Punishes his creation is they defy his laws right?
Would it be right to class parents as Terrorist?
As parents strike terror in the hearts of children as a form of discipline. This is common practice.
A Horror movie seeks to d exactly the same! i.e. inspire terror in the hearts of the viewers. Does that noe make the producers terrorist.
Every country has set punishmental laws and procudures in place against those who violate the law of the land!
Moreover, the American government still imposes the dealth penalty on those who defy the law! does anyone ever say they are terrorist?
Truely, this is a form of white collar terrorism, in accord to the above notion which you present. It is in effect, a white collar crime.
Does anyone label them Terrorist?? Why?
...The so-called dominant government of the western world.
All governments are in authority, to punish for those who seek to defy the law of the land! Pnishments vary from minor to severe and seen above. They are administered by the likes of officails sat in buildings of cliber and power, governing the USA.
If the above is the effect of violating a law of the land againnst human, (which is accepted),...then Imagine the blasphemy against god for defiyng his Law!! (and why is this put into disrepute by the writer above??? why these double standards??) Every religion believes in this fundamental concept. In the verse above where you quote God to be a terrorist, i would like to elaborate in its true connertation.
In that verse, God says the following in regards to people eho defied His Laws:
8:12. (Remember) when your Lord revealed to the angels, "Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved..."
8:13. This is because they defied and disobeyed Allah and His Messenger. And whoever defies and disobeys Allah and His Messenger, then verily, Allah is severe in punishment. )
At the time, Muslims had rule over the entire corpus of the Arabian Peninsula, and many parts of the Asian Peninsula too. As Custodians of the Law of God alongside the law of the land (Which is one- True Islam does not have double standards) the above was clearly in their jurisdiction.
And when GOD throws, some of your people into the fire, and surely he Will as this theme is prevalent in every religion in the world, would you say this was the idea of Terror?
I WOULD CERTAINLY THINK SO.
Please think carefully and fully explore the nature of a comment before making it.
It was amatuer in its effect as i have proved in the above.
I hope this has assisted your understanding
Regards.
written by waterwillows , July 29, 2010
Explorer1 and newcomer 123,
What a load of balony. It is not possible to compare a crime organization with a genuine religion. You would be better understood to compare Islam with the mafia organization. At least it would indicate you have some sense of reality left in you.
What mercy or compassion is there in Islam? Pawn off your lies elsewhere. Where is the pity for using babies, and small children as sex toys? How dare you talk about the enslavement of other nations.....nations much superior to muslim countries.
The evil of Islam is doomed to the curse it rightfullly deserves.
What a load of balony. It is not possible to compare a crime organization with a genuine religion. You would be better understood to compare Islam with the mafia organization. At least it would indicate you have some sense of reality left in you.
What mercy or compassion is there in Islam? Pawn off your lies elsewhere. Where is the pity for using babies, and small children as sex toys? How dare you talk about the enslavement of other nations.....nations much superior to muslim countries.
The evil of Islam is doomed to the curse it rightfullly deserves.
written by Explorer1 , July 29, 2010
You present some deep and interesting theories my friend, but the slight problem we are faced with is that you present not a drop of evidence in the field of academia, which sadly makes all your rhetoric, invalid and of no consequence to anyone. it is your mere personal opinion.
Lets face it, dropping wide allegations and low remarks is not exacly what this page is designed for.
I can do that too, but it would not get us anywhere.
I gently propose for a kind and intelligent discourse. I hope that this can be achieved in future remarks.
Crime organistaion you say, and do you mind telling me which religion you believe in?
Previous to 9/11, Islam and terrorism were 2 words which were never heard of in the same sentance together! Due to the bolstering of the news and various biased sources, prima facie the media, this idea of Muslim Terrorism has become a common misconception.
At this stage i would like to present to you that as of FACT, Islam is now not only the FASTEST growing religion in the world, but it is now also the LARGEST religion in the world! and why? because we are terrorist?
I think not my friend
I would suggest at this stage dear friend, that your research coincides with biased sources such as the media and it seems limited to that. This is why your mind seems so full of prejudice and hate. although this can be appreciated, i would kindly advise you to leave your domain of amatuer-level research and really begin to widen your horizions with the true and orthodox Islam which has co-existed harmoniously with all races, religions, creeds and cultures for over 1400 years. History has revealed its poll, facts are facts, nobody can change that now.
My invite is for you to research true and orthodox Islam which is Sunni Islam which has always been. The reasons why wwe have to catergorise it as sunni Islam is because there is now so many contemporary innovations and sectarian groups which propmote misguidance such as the wahabis. Sunnis are certainly in the majority, they represent 90% of all muslims.
Christianity has many many sects as does Juediasm. Invariably, the true sect can be found through history and the scriptures.
When the IRA acted as barbaians, killed and destroyed so much, did anyone say the christaians are terrorist??
Look at the new breed of ZIONISM which claim to operate under the flag of the abrahim religion of Jeudiasm... its horrendous. it really is. But does anyone really accept the as orthodox jews? NO.
So why is this misguided breed of Wahabis, being associated with the Muslims?!
Do you think we donot take offence to this?
Ofcourse we do. This is a clear violation of our principles and understandings and a blasphemp against Gods Divine Laws.
Lets face it, dropping wide allegations and low remarks is not exacly what this page is designed for.
I can do that too, but it would not get us anywhere.
I gently propose for a kind and intelligent discourse. I hope that this can be achieved in future remarks.
Crime organistaion you say, and do you mind telling me which religion you believe in?
Previous to 9/11, Islam and terrorism were 2 words which were never heard of in the same sentance together! Due to the bolstering of the news and various biased sources, prima facie the media, this idea of Muslim Terrorism has become a common misconception.
At this stage i would like to present to you that as of FACT, Islam is now not only the FASTEST growing religion in the world, but it is now also the LARGEST religion in the world! and why? because we are terrorist?
I think not my friend
I would suggest at this stage dear friend, that your research coincides with biased sources such as the media and it seems limited to that. This is why your mind seems so full of prejudice and hate. although this can be appreciated, i would kindly advise you to leave your domain of amatuer-level research and really begin to widen your horizions with the true and orthodox Islam which has co-existed harmoniously with all races, religions, creeds and cultures for over 1400 years. History has revealed its poll, facts are facts, nobody can change that now.
My invite is for you to research true and orthodox Islam which is Sunni Islam which has always been. The reasons why wwe have to catergorise it as sunni Islam is because there is now so many contemporary innovations and sectarian groups which propmote misguidance such as the wahabis. Sunnis are certainly in the majority, they represent 90% of all muslims.
Christianity has many many sects as does Juediasm. Invariably, the true sect can be found through history and the scriptures.
When the IRA acted as barbaians, killed and destroyed so much, did anyone say the christaians are terrorist??
Look at the new breed of ZIONISM which claim to operate under the flag of the abrahim religion of Jeudiasm... its horrendous. it really is. But does anyone really accept the as orthodox jews? NO.
So why is this misguided breed of Wahabis, being associated with the Muslims?!
Do you think we donot take offence to this?
Ofcourse we do. This is a clear violation of our principles and understandings and a blasphemp against Gods Divine Laws.
written by newcomer123 , July 29, 2010
You present some deep and interesting theories my friend, but the slight problem we are faced with is that you present not a drop of evidence in the field of academia, which sadly makes all your rhetoric, invalid and of no consequence to anyone. it is your mere personal opinion.
Lets face it, dropping wide allegations and low remarks is not exacly what this page is designed for.
I can do that too, but it would not get us anywhere.
I gently propose for a kind and intelligent discourse. I hope that this can be achieved in future remarks.
Crime organistaion you say, and do you mind telling me which religion you believe in?
Previous to 9/11, Islam and terrorism were 2 words which were never heard of in the same sentance together! Due to the bolstering of the news and various biased sources, prima facie the media, this idea of Muslim Terrorism has become a common misconception.
At this stage i would like to present to you that as of FACT, Islam is now not only the FASTEST growing religion in the world, but it is now also the LARGEST religion in the world! and why? because we are terrorist?
I think not my friend
I would suggest at this stage dear friend, that your research coincides with biased sources such as the media and it seems limited to that. This is why your mind seems so full of prejudice and hate. although this can be appreciated, i would kindly advise you to leave your domain of amatuer-level research and really begin to widen your horizions with the true and orthodox Islam which has co-existed harmoniously with all races, religions, creeds and cultures for over 1400 years. History has revealed its poll, facts are facts, nobody can change that now.
My invite is for you to research true and orthodox Islam which is Sunni Islam which has always been. The reasons why wwe have to catergorise it as sunni Islam is because there is now so many contemporary innovations and sectarian groups which propmote misguidance such as the wahabis. Sunnis are certainly in the majority, they represent 90% of all muslims.
Christianity has many many sects as does Juediasm. Invariably, the true sect can be found through history and the scriptures.
When the IRA acted as barbaians, killed and destroyed so much, did anyone say the christaians are terrorist??
Look at the new breed of ZIONISM which claim to operate under the flag of the abrahim religion of Jeudiasm... its horrendous. it really is. But does anyone really accept the as orthodox jews? NO.
So why is this misguided breed of Wahabis, being associated with the Muslims?!
Do you think we donot take offence to this?
Ofcourse we do. This is a clear violation of our principles and understandings and a blasphemp against Gods Divine Laws.
Wahabism, is a newly formed barbaric and draconian sect which promote violence, adverse character and ruthlessness. This new leauge of people reprsent less than 5% of all the worlds Muslims.
I would remind you at this juncture that nearly 2.5 billion people all over the worls are muslim (Out of 6 billion people in totality the occupy the world), should all have been terrorist, the world would have been in a terrible state by now.
Think about it logically? it just does not weigh up.
Please do not degrade the beautiful and peaceful institution of Islam due to a few barbarians who act under the banner of religion to achieve their own political motives.
MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORIST, WAHABIS ARE!
and may i ask which country you reside in?
For your information... did you know that Britain alone funds Wahabism 20 Million each Year???
What do you think this can do?
Promote their fundamentalism.
Do you know how much America fud them each year? Millions. Please check everything i say, do your own research.
deoesnt it seem contradictory that the media says one thing and the funding is saying another?
Something for you to think about, when you think yopu have cracked, i will be pleased to hear your sharp response.
and did you know how much the Sunnis are funded each year?
0.00 pence
Yep, so now you know. Which Sunnis? those who represnt 90% of all the worlds Muslims.
90% of Islam who promote, love care abnd affection as an opium to the masses. Those Sunnis who have lived harmoniously for 1400 years, those sunnis who follow the true charcter of out loving Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him). For a religion which means peace, how stupid would it be, if it promoted terrorism and draconianism.
After all this, logically, you must concede that a new breed of this unrepresented minority of barbarians, cannot and donot form the institution of Islam. The institution of Islam was put in place and set in stone by the holy prophet Muhammad (SAW) over 1400 years ago.
After presenting these logistics and statistics, i a sure you will be able to appreciate islam in a whole new way.
Thankyou for reading dear friends.
Best Regards
Best Regards
Lets face it, dropping wide allegations and low remarks is not exacly what this page is designed for.
I can do that too, but it would not get us anywhere.
I gently propose for a kind and intelligent discourse. I hope that this can be achieved in future remarks.
Crime organistaion you say, and do you mind telling me which religion you believe in?
Previous to 9/11, Islam and terrorism were 2 words which were never heard of in the same sentance together! Due to the bolstering of the news and various biased sources, prima facie the media, this idea of Muslim Terrorism has become a common misconception.
At this stage i would like to present to you that as of FACT, Islam is now not only the FASTEST growing religion in the world, but it is now also the LARGEST religion in the world! and why? because we are terrorist?
I think not my friend
I would suggest at this stage dear friend, that your research coincides with biased sources such as the media and it seems limited to that. This is why your mind seems so full of prejudice and hate. although this can be appreciated, i would kindly advise you to leave your domain of amatuer-level research and really begin to widen your horizions with the true and orthodox Islam which has co-existed harmoniously with all races, religions, creeds and cultures for over 1400 years. History has revealed its poll, facts are facts, nobody can change that now.
My invite is for you to research true and orthodox Islam which is Sunni Islam which has always been. The reasons why wwe have to catergorise it as sunni Islam is because there is now so many contemporary innovations and sectarian groups which propmote misguidance such as the wahabis. Sunnis are certainly in the majority, they represent 90% of all muslims.
Christianity has many many sects as does Juediasm. Invariably, the true sect can be found through history and the scriptures.
When the IRA acted as barbaians, killed and destroyed so much, did anyone say the christaians are terrorist??
Look at the new breed of ZIONISM which claim to operate under the flag of the abrahim religion of Jeudiasm... its horrendous. it really is. But does anyone really accept the as orthodox jews? NO.
So why is this misguided breed of Wahabis, being associated with the Muslims?!
Do you think we donot take offence to this?
Ofcourse we do. This is a clear violation of our principles and understandings and a blasphemp against Gods Divine Laws.
Wahabism, is a newly formed barbaric and draconian sect which promote violence, adverse character and ruthlessness. This new leauge of people reprsent less than 5% of all the worlds Muslims.
I would remind you at this juncture that nearly 2.5 billion people all over the worls are muslim (Out of 6 billion people in totality the occupy the world), should all have been terrorist, the world would have been in a terrible state by now.
Think about it logically? it just does not weigh up.
Please do not degrade the beautiful and peaceful institution of Islam due to a few barbarians who act under the banner of religion to achieve their own political motives.
MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORIST, WAHABIS ARE!
and may i ask which country you reside in?
For your information... did you know that Britain alone funds Wahabism 20 Million each Year???
What do you think this can do?
Promote their fundamentalism.
Do you know how much America fud them each year? Millions. Please check everything i say, do your own research.
deoesnt it seem contradictory that the media says one thing and the funding is saying another?
Something for you to think about, when you think yopu have cracked, i will be pleased to hear your sharp response.
and did you know how much the Sunnis are funded each year?
0.00 pence
Yep, so now you know. Which Sunnis? those who represnt 90% of all the worlds Muslims.
90% of Islam who promote, love care abnd affection as an opium to the masses. Those Sunnis who have lived harmoniously for 1400 years, those sunnis who follow the true charcter of out loving Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him). For a religion which means peace, how stupid would it be, if it promoted terrorism and draconianism.
After all this, logically, you must concede that a new breed of this unrepresented minority of barbarians, cannot and donot form the institution of Islam. The institution of Islam was put in place and set in stone by the holy prophet Muhammad (SAW) over 1400 years ago.
After presenting these logistics and statistics, i a sure you will be able to appreciate islam in a whole new way.
Thankyou for reading dear friends.
Best Regards
Best Regards
written by newcomer123 , July 29, 2010
Look the point i'm trying to make is this - look at the history of Islam we as Muslims had our heyday just like any other nation we bought a lot to the world ... If we were terrorists and as bad as you portray, then look at some of these facts -
in India where we ruled over a thousand years Hindu temples still stand from over 1000 years ago.
In Egypt there are churches and synagogues that have existed for as long as man knows we ruled there too.
True Muslims do not disrespect any animal never mind humans. We have coexisted for many Years, the Quran has been here 1400 Years history testifies we never had issues before. Egypt, Syria Etc where Islamic law to a minimal extent lives still has Christians from generations exist - how? Why? I don't mean any disrespect to you, but it frustrates me that these terrorists give us all a bad name.
The entire Islamic population are not terrorists and strongly object to this jihad means to struggle not holy war like these maniacs suggest.
The popular Islamic opinion of these terrorists is that they are out of the fold of islam why? Because they have gone completely against islam in their actions they falsify and manipulate holy a scriptures. Finally one last point, there are rules ms regulations on how to interpret the Quran similar to legislation where you cannot pin point certain paragraphs of legislation to manipulate the law you must read it in it's entirety and consider case law, hansard to corroborate it etc ...
The Quran is slightly mire complex in it's methodology of reasoning hence why it says "it is a guidance for some and misguidance for others"
Proof? Me. I had doubts about God religion Islam myself until I discovered true Islam. Why? because i wwas previously suscepted to Wahabi Islam like yourselves. its Ridiculous, i know.
May I thank you for your politeness and despite the fact that your views are contrary to mine I thank you for your respect apologies if I have been harsh. But plz think about this if we were all terrorists and we occupied one third of the Earth ...
What would be the outcome. I totally share your views on terrorism but terrorism is not Islam and neither is Islam terrorism.
The terrorist needed a blanket so they used Islam just like the IRA used Christianity - no religion promotes violence.
in India where we ruled over a thousand years Hindu temples still stand from over 1000 years ago.
In Egypt there are churches and synagogues that have existed for as long as man knows we ruled there too.
True Muslims do not disrespect any animal never mind humans. We have coexisted for many Years, the Quran has been here 1400 Years history testifies we never had issues before. Egypt, Syria Etc where Islamic law to a minimal extent lives still has Christians from generations exist - how? Why? I don't mean any disrespect to you, but it frustrates me that these terrorists give us all a bad name.
The entire Islamic population are not terrorists and strongly object to this jihad means to struggle not holy war like these maniacs suggest.
The popular Islamic opinion of these terrorists is that they are out of the fold of islam why? Because they have gone completely against islam in their actions they falsify and manipulate holy a scriptures. Finally one last point, there are rules ms regulations on how to interpret the Quran similar to legislation where you cannot pin point certain paragraphs of legislation to manipulate the law you must read it in it's entirety and consider case law, hansard to corroborate it etc ...
The Quran is slightly mire complex in it's methodology of reasoning hence why it says "it is a guidance for some and misguidance for others"
Proof? Me. I had doubts about God religion Islam myself until I discovered true Islam. Why? because i wwas previously suscepted to Wahabi Islam like yourselves. its Ridiculous, i know.
May I thank you for your politeness and despite the fact that your views are contrary to mine I thank you for your respect apologies if I have been harsh. But plz think about this if we were all terrorists and we occupied one third of the Earth ...
What would be the outcome. I totally share your views on terrorism but terrorism is not Islam and neither is Islam terrorism.
The terrorist needed a blanket so they used Islam just like the IRA used Christianity - no religion promotes violence.
written by newcomer123 , July 29, 2010
I would like to say that i represent orthodox Islam i.e the true word of the Prophet Muhammad (May blessings be upon him). I see that your views to Islam, like most other people are inclined to the stereotypical portrayal of the media. A minority of young radical men and women that call themselves Muslim, having no idea as to its realtiy cannot be represented as the entire Muslim nation. This is unfair representation.
I would like to bring to your attention a newly formulated group known as Wahabisim or the Wahabis (Please google them). This group was introduced by a wretched man by the name of muhammed Abdul Wahab Ibn Najd some 150 years ago. This man was discovered by the British as a madman who had distorted views of Islam. To destroy the Muslims, he was brought to fame, funded with millions (yes, by none other than the west) to publish his distored and opinionated literature to all those who did not know. This man's doctrines and principles were far from Islam! he put forward views and opinions that had never been heard before, destroying all orthodox ideologies of the Quraan and Hadith (Hadith are the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad). This mans own father and brother released literature against him stating that he he was insane and had never been right in the head since childhood. No doubt, in their works, they also defended the true orthodox beliefs of Islam.
The wahabis are till this day being pumped with millions by the west etc This is why their literature, their tv channels, their websites, events, courses, institutions and influence is everywhere! the youth and the new generation have grown up hearing nothing but their ideologies, accepting them as a way of life!
...and yes, youve guessed it, they are damn extremist to the root. Arguably, the West have shot themself in the foot with this monster they have created.
Lets face it, previous to September 11th, Muslims had never been in the limelight for anything of such a nature! Muslim Terrorist? it had never been heard before!
9/11 and 7/7 were some of the crazy side effects from this development by the West.
I am totally with you on this issue of extremist, on the issue of death threats over cartoons etc. Comeon, from a religion which means 'peace' (i.e. islam) what a paradox we would have if we were extremist by orthodox teachings.
It is only the young Wahabi generation who have suddenly broke the peace, under the flag of Islam! History shows that Muslims have always lived harmoniously across the world, since inception (from the time of the Prophet 1400 years ago).
Wahabis teach a low tolerance and ill attitude to members of society. They are quite crude in character and their teachings reflect this. No doubt their scholars also have problems with their interpretation of the Quran (Book of the Muslims) and the Sayings of the Prophet.
Why?
because it conflicts with their unfair creed and tennets of belief. So what do they do?
They take chunks of authentic sayings of the Prophet (literally thousands of them) and rule them as irrelevant and inapplicable, solely because they do not suit their radical way of life (Nasar al Bani is a key Scholar in the Wahabi creed, famous for doing this). That is clealy no valid reason at all!
For interest, this literature that i talk about has been sacred to the muslims for 1400 years. Before such shocking disposal by the Wahabis, this information was of such authenticity that it was never raised an eyebrow upon since its revelation.
I would like to bring to your attention a newly formulated group known as Wahabisim or the Wahabis (Please google them). This group was introduced by a wretched man by the name of muhammed Abdul Wahab Ibn Najd some 150 years ago. This man was discovered by the British as a madman who had distorted views of Islam. To destroy the Muslims, he was brought to fame, funded with millions (yes, by none other than the west) to publish his distored and opinionated literature to all those who did not know. This man's doctrines and principles were far from Islam! he put forward views and opinions that had never been heard before, destroying all orthodox ideologies of the Quraan and Hadith (Hadith are the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad). This mans own father and brother released literature against him stating that he he was insane and had never been right in the head since childhood. No doubt, in their works, they also defended the true orthodox beliefs of Islam.
The wahabis are till this day being pumped with millions by the west etc This is why their literature, their tv channels, their websites, events, courses, institutions and influence is everywhere! the youth and the new generation have grown up hearing nothing but their ideologies, accepting them as a way of life!
...and yes, youve guessed it, they are damn extremist to the root. Arguably, the West have shot themself in the foot with this monster they have created.
Lets face it, previous to September 11th, Muslims had never been in the limelight for anything of such a nature! Muslim Terrorist? it had never been heard before!
9/11 and 7/7 were some of the crazy side effects from this development by the West.
I am totally with you on this issue of extremist, on the issue of death threats over cartoons etc. Comeon, from a religion which means 'peace' (i.e. islam) what a paradox we would have if we were extremist by orthodox teachings.
It is only the young Wahabi generation who have suddenly broke the peace, under the flag of Islam! History shows that Muslims have always lived harmoniously across the world, since inception (from the time of the Prophet 1400 years ago).
Wahabis teach a low tolerance and ill attitude to members of society. They are quite crude in character and their teachings reflect this. No doubt their scholars also have problems with their interpretation of the Quran (Book of the Muslims) and the Sayings of the Prophet.
Why?
because it conflicts with their unfair creed and tennets of belief. So what do they do?
They take chunks of authentic sayings of the Prophet (literally thousands of them) and rule them as irrelevant and inapplicable, solely because they do not suit their radical way of life (Nasar al Bani is a key Scholar in the Wahabi creed, famous for doing this). That is clealy no valid reason at all!
For interest, this literature that i talk about has been sacred to the muslims for 1400 years. Before such shocking disposal by the Wahabis, this information was of such authenticity that it was never raised an eyebrow upon since its revelation.
written by newcomer123 , July 29, 2010
Scholars of great caliber were renown for devoting their lives in collecting such literature and confirming its authenticity by way of the narrator and the context of what was being said.
The ironic thing is that these narrators are deemed to be authentic even by the Wahabis too; yet they still they dispose, chop and change of their information as it pleases them! this shows how corrupt they are! some of them manipulate fabrication to mislead the masses! They are capable of much destruction. They exist in schools, universities and others organisation across the world etc. Their young representatives are educated with high levels of rhetoric, naturally attracting the young and infiltrating their premature minds with shots of their extreme beliefs.
Credit were credit is due, they are good salesman which is reflected in the numbers of misguided people who actually accept their ways. In reality, they are nothing more than ignorant and confused beings, who pscholgically find belonging by associating themselves to a group.
The biggest problem is when their scholars try to interpet the holy Quraan themselves!
The Quran requires experts of the highest distinction to be able to understand the Quraan and interpret it in its correct context. Some considerations which need to be made when considering interpretation is the time, place and circumstance of the verse revelation along with the preceeding and following verse and so on!
Their interpretation of the Quraan is done in thin air, with all meanings redirected to favour their extremist views and opinions. Its no wonder the Muslims of the age are so confused. With funding, their literature is so common, cheap and widely available around the world.
why do they inteprete in such ways? To justify their creed and actions.
The largest sect within Islam is approximately 90 percent of all the worlds Muslims. This sect is known as the Sunnis which hold strong to orthodox views of the peaceful, serene and beautiful religion of Islam, as best reflected in the lifestyle of the holy Prophet Muhammad.
It is then of no suprise to me when you quote such harsh material in regards to muslim treatment of other non muslim civilians. etc. These verses are typical Wahabi interpretations of the Quran.
The Quran requires many years of hard study and a minimum of 14 sciences to perfection, as a pre-requisite before embarking on interpretation. There is a dedicated science of study of such interpretation ; known as Tafseer-ul-Quraan.
I hope you can now appreciate the wide prejudice that exists in the world against the true muslims. no doubt, the media are excelling in the promotion of such biases and unrepresented sample of idiots. The Wahabis form part of the 10 percent or less of apparent muslims in the world.
Should all muslims have been extremist by classical teachings, then imagine the impact on the world we would be living in! nightmare.
I Would like to refer you to some books which have been written by non muslim historians who reveal the actuality of the wahabis and the great injustice they have caused upon Islam, in much more intensity then i have.
(Schwartz, (2003)
(oliveti, (2001-2)
I have an article devoted to a comparison of these two greatly authored books should you be interested.
Studies by scientist and historians have also suggested the 100 best men to ever walk on the face of the earth. The book is widely available, written by an atheist historian who reveals that the Prohet Muhammad is the best man to have ever lived on this earth...By far might i add. His ways were by far superior to all men in the way he lead the nations of the world in the best way, conducted himself perfectly, from the way he walked, talked, dealt with friends, family, civilians, non-muslims etc.
As a side point, science has also found great scientifical logic and superiority in the basic daily conduct of the Prophet as the best possible, healthiest and wisdomous practices in the world.
I hope this has assisted your understanding.
Thanks
The ironic thing is that these narrators are deemed to be authentic even by the Wahabis too; yet they still they dispose, chop and change of their information as it pleases them! this shows how corrupt they are! some of them manipulate fabrication to mislead the masses! They are capable of much destruction. They exist in schools, universities and others organisation across the world etc. Their young representatives are educated with high levels of rhetoric, naturally attracting the young and infiltrating their premature minds with shots of their extreme beliefs.
Credit were credit is due, they are good salesman which is reflected in the numbers of misguided people who actually accept their ways. In reality, they are nothing more than ignorant and confused beings, who pscholgically find belonging by associating themselves to a group.
The biggest problem is when their scholars try to interpet the holy Quraan themselves!
The Quran requires experts of the highest distinction to be able to understand the Quraan and interpret it in its correct context. Some considerations which need to be made when considering interpretation is the time, place and circumstance of the verse revelation along with the preceeding and following verse and so on!
Their interpretation of the Quraan is done in thin air, with all meanings redirected to favour their extremist views and opinions. Its no wonder the Muslims of the age are so confused. With funding, their literature is so common, cheap and widely available around the world.
why do they inteprete in such ways? To justify their creed and actions.
The largest sect within Islam is approximately 90 percent of all the worlds Muslims. This sect is known as the Sunnis which hold strong to orthodox views of the peaceful, serene and beautiful religion of Islam, as best reflected in the lifestyle of the holy Prophet Muhammad.
It is then of no suprise to me when you quote such harsh material in regards to muslim treatment of other non muslim civilians. etc. These verses are typical Wahabi interpretations of the Quran.
The Quran requires many years of hard study and a minimum of 14 sciences to perfection, as a pre-requisite before embarking on interpretation. There is a dedicated science of study of such interpretation ; known as Tafseer-ul-Quraan.
I hope you can now appreciate the wide prejudice that exists in the world against the true muslims. no doubt, the media are excelling in the promotion of such biases and unrepresented sample of idiots. The Wahabis form part of the 10 percent or less of apparent muslims in the world.
Should all muslims have been extremist by classical teachings, then imagine the impact on the world we would be living in! nightmare.
I Would like to refer you to some books which have been written by non muslim historians who reveal the actuality of the wahabis and the great injustice they have caused upon Islam, in much more intensity then i have.
(Schwartz, (2003)
(oliveti, (2001-2)
I have an article devoted to a comparison of these two greatly authored books should you be interested.
Studies by scientist and historians have also suggested the 100 best men to ever walk on the face of the earth. The book is widely available, written by an atheist historian who reveals that the Prohet Muhammad is the best man to have ever lived on this earth...By far might i add. His ways were by far superior to all men in the way he lead the nations of the world in the best way, conducted himself perfectly, from the way he walked, talked, dealt with friends, family, civilians, non-muslims etc.
As a side point, science has also found great scientifical logic and superiority in the basic daily conduct of the Prophet as the best possible, healthiest and wisdomous practices in the world.
I hope this has assisted your understanding.
Thanks
written by newcomer123 , July 29, 2010
Why was the Prophet Muhammad so impeccably rated? just 1 story to satisfy my point.
the Prophet Muhammad (Leader of the entire Muslim nation- which was the most powerful nation in the world at the time) would walk a daily route where he would be abused by a non-muslim, elderly woman; every single day. She would throw rubbish at the Messenger everyday. He would kindly walk on with a smile. One day The messenger found that the lady was not at her doorstep to throw rubbish at him. The messenger worringly ran to her house and enquired about her well-being, to find that she had fallen ill. He went in, cared for her and helped her to get better. The old lady was so shocked at his treatment! even after all her years of abusing him, this was his beautiful resonse.
Her amazement in the piety of the messenger lead her to convert to Islam.
This is the religion that i and the majority of the unrepresented Muslims were brought up with! for your information, i can endlessly site such literature. This is why i am proud to call myself a muslim.
Islam is now the fastest growing religion in the world. According to recent stats, it is now also the BIGGEST religion in the world too.
So what is causing SO many to come to Islam?? especially in such liberal and western societies? (According to stats the most converts have emerged in the USA and the west) The growth really began after the events of September 11th which lead many to enquire and research the religion. Those who did their homework who found the true Islam reverted to the religion. The ways of the Prophet were serene, kind and beautiful. Not barbaric and draconian which is commonly are wrongly associated to true Muslims.
A definition of Islam is what revolves around the personality of the beloved Prophet. It is the duty of every Muslim to indoctrinate his every way of life, in so far as possible.
Sadly, the wahabis say that his life is no longer of consequence to us, which contributes to their fall.
For now i would like to thank you all for welcoming my presentation of facts. Many do not consider the opposing view; which causes an apparent debate to be a one sided and biased argument. You have clearly taken the time to consider the entire debate.
If everyone could be considerate in such a way, the world would be a better place.
Thanks again.
the Prophet Muhammad (Leader of the entire Muslim nation- which was the most powerful nation in the world at the time) would walk a daily route where he would be abused by a non-muslim, elderly woman; every single day. She would throw rubbish at the Messenger everyday. He would kindly walk on with a smile. One day The messenger found that the lady was not at her doorstep to throw rubbish at him. The messenger worringly ran to her house and enquired about her well-being, to find that she had fallen ill. He went in, cared for her and helped her to get better. The old lady was so shocked at his treatment! even after all her years of abusing him, this was his beautiful resonse.
Her amazement in the piety of the messenger lead her to convert to Islam.
This is the religion that i and the majority of the unrepresented Muslims were brought up with! for your information, i can endlessly site such literature. This is why i am proud to call myself a muslim.
Islam is now the fastest growing religion in the world. According to recent stats, it is now also the BIGGEST religion in the world too.
So what is causing SO many to come to Islam?? especially in such liberal and western societies? (According to stats the most converts have emerged in the USA and the west) The growth really began after the events of September 11th which lead many to enquire and research the religion. Those who did their homework who found the true Islam reverted to the religion. The ways of the Prophet were serene, kind and beautiful. Not barbaric and draconian which is commonly are wrongly associated to true Muslims.
A definition of Islam is what revolves around the personality of the beloved Prophet. It is the duty of every Muslim to indoctrinate his every way of life, in so far as possible.
Sadly, the wahabis say that his life is no longer of consequence to us, which contributes to their fall.
For now i would like to thank you all for welcoming my presentation of facts. Many do not consider the opposing view; which causes an apparent debate to be a one sided and biased argument. You have clearly taken the time to consider the entire debate.
If everyone could be considerate in such a way, the world would be a better place.
Thanks again.
written by waterwillows , July 29, 2010
Considerate is not a word I would use to describe Islam.
Would it be considerate for you to be raped as a small boy? It is legal in Islam.
Who would it be considerate to, when thighing newborn babies? That's also legal in Islam.
Is drinking animal piss a considerate idea to impose on another?
Is beating women, for instance your mother, a considerate thing? Did you know, Afghans keep a chain handy in the house for just that purpose.
The world of reality is not like the dream world that you have invented.
Actually read the Quran and that spells it out... plain as can be.
Would it be considerate for you to be raped as a small boy? It is legal in Islam.
Who would it be considerate to, when thighing newborn babies? That's also legal in Islam.
Is drinking animal piss a considerate idea to impose on another?
Is beating women, for instance your mother, a considerate thing? Did you know, Afghans keep a chain handy in the house for just that purpose.
The world of reality is not like the dream world that you have invented.
Actually read the Quran and that spells it out... plain as can be.
written by Machmoed , August 05, 2010
Thank you very much newcomer,
Much of what you wrote is true. Wahabis have indeed a rigid form of islam supposedly as it was during the life of Muhammad. But here is the crux: In history Muhammad is unfindable, it’s a spook, everything about him is from much later date and he left no evidence whatsoever. Furthermore: many of the claims supposedly made by Muhammad are not from Muhammad but from people before, like prophet Mani who lived 200-300 years before Muhammad. Mani also claimed to be the seal of the prophets and that has come to fullfill the religion etc. (this is just known for 15 years now backed up by scriptural evidence by Mani himself (written by himself and found in Egypt). Much of the description of jannat is found on a Syrian-cristian scriptures wich are hundreds of years before Muhammad. Also jahannam where the socalled bridge (sirat-ul qiyama) wich we have to cross over in order to reach heaven is from Zoroastrians. There is nothing in islam wich is unique. Could you name one thing wich wasn’t a practice of the arabs,Christians/jews/polytheists before Muhammad in Islam?
Other facts: Hijra never happened. In that time the arabs called it the year of the arabs. Many mosques in Irak,Seria and Egypt from the 8th century have a praying direction (Qibla) to albeit almaqdis (Jaruzalem) etc.
Sunni’s are following Omaya (omayads) and not the messenger. In History the decendents of Omaya won the war and started Islam and the abbasids completed it as we know it today. Eventually It’s all politics.
Allah is not the authentic name of the God of the Hebrews….Why? Because the Hebrews included their god in the names of angels and human beings. The Hebrew God is called EL. Look at this: Gabra-EL (Gibriel); Micha-EL, Isra-El, Ishma-EL (Isma3eel) etc etc.
If God was called Allah from the beginning, the names of his angels would bare His name, but instead it is the God of Israel/Hebrews.
Conclusion: orthodox vision is false/lie.
Much of what you wrote is true. Wahabis have indeed a rigid form of islam supposedly as it was during the life of Muhammad. But here is the crux: In history Muhammad is unfindable, it’s a spook, everything about him is from much later date and he left no evidence whatsoever. Furthermore: many of the claims supposedly made by Muhammad are not from Muhammad but from people before, like prophet Mani who lived 200-300 years before Muhammad. Mani also claimed to be the seal of the prophets and that has come to fullfill the religion etc. (this is just known for 15 years now backed up by scriptural evidence by Mani himself (written by himself and found in Egypt). Much of the description of jannat is found on a Syrian-cristian scriptures wich are hundreds of years before Muhammad. Also jahannam where the socalled bridge (sirat-ul qiyama) wich we have to cross over in order to reach heaven is from Zoroastrians. There is nothing in islam wich is unique. Could you name one thing wich wasn’t a practice of the arabs,Christians/jews/polytheists before Muhammad in Islam?
Other facts: Hijra never happened. In that time the arabs called it the year of the arabs. Many mosques in Irak,Seria and Egypt from the 8th century have a praying direction (Qibla) to albeit almaqdis (Jaruzalem) etc.
Sunni’s are following Omaya (omayads) and not the messenger. In History the decendents of Omaya won the war and started Islam and the abbasids completed it as we know it today. Eventually It’s all politics.
Allah is not the authentic name of the God of the Hebrews….Why? Because the Hebrews included their god in the names of angels and human beings. The Hebrew God is called EL. Look at this: Gabra-EL (Gibriel); Micha-EL, Isra-El, Ishma-EL (Isma3eel) etc etc.
If God was called Allah from the beginning, the names of his angels would bare His name, but instead it is the God of Israel/Hebrews.
Conclusion: orthodox vision is false/lie.
written by Machmoed , August 05, 2010
Would it be considerate for you to be raped as a small boy? It is legal in Islam
No it's not my friend. In Saoudi arabia there is just 3 months ago a man who abused little children sexually. The man is hanged publiccally. If a girl is not married but touched by a man, the man is forced to marry the girl etc etc. Maybe a sect somewhere in Sudan, Middle east backwarded society, but actually it is not legal. Much of the Sharia laws are not active anymore...for example divorce by women is easy nowadays. The onlything is that only a few islamic countries have this freedom like they have in Morocco.
No it's not my friend. In Saoudi arabia there is just 3 months ago a man who abused little children sexually. The man is hanged publiccally. If a girl is not married but touched by a man, the man is forced to marry the girl etc etc. Maybe a sect somewhere in Sudan, Middle east backwarded society, but actually it is not legal. Much of the Sharia laws are not active anymore...for example divorce by women is easy nowadays. The onlything is that only a few islamic countries have this freedom like they have in Morocco.
written by waterwillows , August 05, 2010
Oh but you are the one who is mistaken. A man may rape a young boy and the penalty for doing so is.....guess what?
Well, the rapist will not be allowed to marry the mother of the raped boy.
What a stupid penalty. Why would any mother want to actually marry the rapist of her child? Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.
And let's not forget the Afghan's Thursday night man/boy love time. This has been going on for centuries. It is done in the open, no hiding and quite acceptable. The muslim guys say: "women are for babies, boys are for pleasure".
Then to top things off, for the organisation of perverts, you fellas get to rape young boys in your heveanly brothel in the sky. It would seem that the perverts can never get enough of degrading their life and others.
Well, the rapist will not be allowed to marry the mother of the raped boy.
What a stupid penalty. Why would any mother want to actually marry the rapist of her child? Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.
And let's not forget the Afghan's Thursday night man/boy love time. This has been going on for centuries. It is done in the open, no hiding and quite acceptable. The muslim guys say: "women are for babies, boys are for pleasure".
Then to top things off, for the organisation of perverts, you fellas get to rape young boys in your heveanly brothel in the sky. It would seem that the perverts can never get enough of degrading their life and others.
written by Machmoed , August 09, 2010
Now i see Waterwillow, You're talking about afganistan and it's islam right? Geuss what...Afghanisatan and/or pakistan and their islam is not the islam practiced in Indonesia, North africa etc. If you rape a boy in north africa, you get stoned to death and i'm there to help. Stoning to death may be backwarded but not when it has something to do with raping children. I don't care if the rapist is a muslim or not...he deserves to be hanged or stoned to death twice. I'm not a politician so i don't look if someone is christian, muslim, jew or whatever. To me it is irrelevant why an individual does something. It's the actions that count. When it comes to actions, only the individual is responcible, not prophets, gods or whatever. We have the constitutionlaw and the rest is less important...even the Bible.
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actually muhamed reborn as mormon prophet.