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Muhammad Had No Miracles: Allah

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Allah made it clear in the Quran that he sent no miracles with Muhammad, neither in his Quran nor in his hadith. Would this stop Muslims from claiming that there are miracles in the Quran and sunna? I doubt it!


The Quran is the Muslims’ most read book yet it is least understood. Muslims read the Quran to earn ‘hasanat’, i.e. the Islamic good deeds, that help the Muslim go to paradise. It is the process of reading the Quran that counts whereas the process of understanding is just a bonus. This reward system is fair and should be considered a sign of Allah’s generosity, because understanding the Quran is not an easy task; fourteen centuries on, Muslims still do not agree on its understanding! This is hardly surprising since the proper understanding of the Quran is only known to Allah and, may be, to a handful of Arabs (1), which makes you wonder why bother writing it at all.

In my time, schools in the Middle East used to teach that Muhammad’s only miracle was the Quran. It was the language of the Quran which was in mind; the claims about the scientific miracles were nonexistent. That remained to be the standard education in schools throughout the Middle East until about the 1970s. Of course, nobody ever gave a convincing explanation why the language of the Quran was considered a miracle, but it doesn’t take much to brainwash the children to believe such claims; after all, the Quran does look a weird book to learn or read.

After the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood and their alliance with Saudi Arabia, Muslims now attribute thousands of miracles to Muhammad. There are numerous organizations, all generously funded, with very aggressive programmes for spreading the concept of miracles associated with Muhammad. This massive multibillion-dollar project aims to the Islamic world’s contribution to science—spreading ignorance through lies and pseudo research. By making their claims, Muslim scholars deliver a preemptive strike against any criticism to Islam. Their strategy is to cover up the areas where Islam is clearly vulnerable and present them to ordinary reader as miracles in disguise.

This article highlights some unmistakable assertions from Islam’s highest authority, Allah, that Muhammad had no miracles at all. This should be the ultimate answer to those untiring Muslims, who go around spreading the myths that Islam has miracles.

The Arabs demanded a miracle from Muhammad

Muhammad’s twenty-three-year career as a prophet is usually divided into two distinct phases: Meccan and Medinan. It was in Mecca where the Arabs felt free to debate Muhammad and ask him whatever questions they had in mind about his claims. Muhammad was stunned by the many questions put to him by intellectuals like Omar Ibn Hisham (2) and Al Nadr Ibn Al Harith. Those men exposed the real clueless and speechless Muhammad, who received no divine support. Abandoned by Allah, Muhammad became depressed (3) as he frequently failed to give answers. He used to go home and spend days or weeks thinking of those questions only to come up with odd answers that earned him the title, ‘the madman’ (4). The typical example was when they asked him about the spirit: the Arabs expected an answer of some kind from a man, who claims to communicate directly with God. Muhammad was speechless and no divine inspirations came to his help when it was most needed. It took him days or weeks of deep thinking to devise this answer: “the spirit is something Allah knows about”, which is hardly an answer worth waiting for.

17.85: they ask you concerning the Spirit. Say: “The spirit is something for my god; you are given only a little knowledge”.

Myths and stories of the past were part of the Arabs’ culture; Muhammad was particularly obsessed with the stories of the prophets sent by Allah in ancient times and used to tell those stories to the Arabs of Mecca with the hope they believe his claims of being a prophet himself. The Arabs were not impressed and rejected his claims. They even reminded him that Allah was keen to equip all his past prophets with miracles as signs of authenticity, a pattern that was never broken in the past. They insisted, then, that Muhammad must show them a miracle in order for them to believe his prophetic claim. Of course, Muhammad failed to show one.

The Arabs were so eager to see a miracle that when Muhammad revealed verse 34:9 (5) threatening them with a list of punishments, they asked him to go for it and ask his Allah and execute those threats (6) or at least perform some of those spectacular acts that lie beyond human reach. Of course, Allah didn’t.

After his migration to Medina in 622 AD, Muhammad seized power and had no interest or time for debates; the sword did it all for him. It is ironic that after thirteen years of preaching in Mecca, Muhammad recruited only a handful of followers while the Medina Arabs converted to Islam overnight, no debates and no questions asked!

Muhammad’s failure to show a miracle was reported extensively in the Quran along with some of the most absurd excuses that defy commonsense. Let us have a look at only some of those verses that Muslims read every day but never understand.

1) Verse 17:59

“And We refrain from sending the signs, only because the men of former generations treated them as false: We sent the she-camel to the Thamud to open their eyes, but they treated her wrongfully: We only send the Signs by way of terror.”

In this verse17:59, Allah declares that He decided to depart from his old practice of sending miracles with prophets because the former generations did not believe in them. Now (that is in the seventh century), He only uses miracles to terrify people (how kind!). This assertion, on its own, is clear enough to prove the point: Allah did not send miracles to Muhammad.

Just in case the Muslims do not get the point, Allah repeated the above message in many other verses. Please read on:

2) Verse 20:133

“They say: “Why does he not bring us a sign from his Lord?” Has not a Clear Sign come to them of all that was in the former Books of revelation?”

In this verse, Allah reminds the Arabs of what is reported in the holy books about the previous nations who received miracles but did not believe. In other words, Allah had had enough and considers his past experience with the unbelievers as an excuse for not sending any more miracles in case the same thing happens again.

The Arabs of Mecca were understandably discontented about the above bizarre conclusion, which is repeated in many verses, that they would not believe because some former generations didn’t. This supposition is not only wrong but also contradicts some other Quranic claims made in other verses. Didn’t the Quran say that the magicians believed (7) Moses immediately? Therefore, miracles worked in the past and produced some results.

More to the point, the prediction that the Arabs would not believe were completely wide off the mark. It didn’t take more than a few years for this verse, and many others like it, to be proved wrong. When Muhammad returned to Mecca as a conqueror, all those Arabs, whom Allah claimed would not believe, converted to Islam overnight, no miracles needed, just the might of the sword!

3) Verse 13:27

“The Unbelievers say: “Why is not a sign sent down to him from his Lord?” Say: “Truly Allah leaves to go stray, whom He will and guides to Himself those who turn to Him in penitence”

In this verse, Allah gives a very strange, but honest, excuse. He says what is the point of sending a miracle? After all, it is up to Him to decide whom he will make go astray and whom he will make believe!

4) Verse 6:109

“They swear their strongest oaths by Allah that if a sign came to them they would believe. Say: “the signs are in the power of Allah: but what will make you (Muslims) realise that if signs came, they will not believe”?

This verse (6:109) reports that the Arabs swear by Allah’s name that if they see a miracle they would believe. This is a clear confirmation that the Arabs already believed in Allah, otherwise how do they swear by His name? Muhammad called the Arabs ‘the unbelievers’, because they did not believe in his claim of prophethood. It appears from this verse that the Arabs were sincere and straight in their promise to believe if they see a miracle, so why not just send them a miracle?

The verse also states that Allah keeps those signs for himself, which is a very strange thing to do; what is the use of the signs if they were kept with Allah and never utilized?

After proudly reminding us that all miracles are with Him, Allah turns to Muslims and asks them a question: “what makes you feel that the infidels would not believe if they see a miracle” We do not see the point behind that question or the difference would the answer make to Allah or to readers of the Quran.

5) Verse 29:50

They say: “Why are not Signs sent down to him from his Lord?” Say: “The signs are indeed with Allah and I am indeed a clear Warner.”

The Quran repeats the claims that all the miracles are with Allah and confirms that He decided not to send any of them, because, according to Ibn Katheer, he knew it would not make the unbelievers believe. The verse is basically another confirmation that Muhammad performed no miracles (signs). The same logic is repeated in verses 6:37 and 13:7

6) Verse 6:37

“They say: “Why is not a sign sent down to him from his Lord?” Say: “(Allah) hath certainly power to send down a sign: but most of them understand not”

The verse reports that the Arabs were suspicious of Muhammad’s authenticity because he had no signs. As an answer to the Arabs’ questions, the verse says that Allah is capable of sending signs if He wishes, which indicates that Allah did not wish to send one to Muhammad.

7) Verse 13: 7.

“And the Unbelievers say: “Why is not a sign sent down to him from his Lord?” But thou art truly a warner, and to every people a guide”

In this verse, Muhammad accepts the fact that he had no miracles and tries to justify such an odd position. He came up with the excuse that was only a guide, which was not a plausible excuse to the Arabs because they believed that all the past prophets were also guides to their nations, but they all had miracles.

8) Verse 17: 93

“Or thou have a house adorned with gold, or thou mount a ladder right into the skies. No, we shall not even believe in thy mounting until thou send down to us a book that we could read.” Say: “Glory to my Lord! Am I aught but a man,- an apostle?”

In this verse 17:93, Muhammad makes an unequivocal admission that he had no miracles. It happened when the Arabs asked him to demonstrate for them one of a list of miracles they listed for him in this and the three preceding verses. His answer was clear and indisputable: I don’t have a miracle; I am only a human.

What about the Quranic Challenge?

Allah challenged all humans (Verses 2:23, 17:88) to produce a chapter that matches the Quran but nobody did. According to Muslims, this is an indication that the Quran is a miracle. This piece of information is known to all Muslims and would undoubtedly come to the minds of those who may read this article, hence the following comment:

The majority of Muslims do not know that the Internet is bursting with literature that mimics the Quran. Normally, no sane Arab could openly compose a work that mimics the Quran for the fear of death. However, the Internet provided a safe haven to those authors, who are willing to take the challenge. Nevertheless, it is worth highlighting that the two greatest Arab poets, Al Maari and Al Mutanabbi, both composed their own Qurans albeit they were forced to withdraw their works and repent. Their Qurans have completely disappeared from history.

In the past, a renowned Islamic group, named Al Mutazilla, believed that although the Quran was the word of Allah but there was nothing spectacular about its style. The Meccan Arabs did not like the Quran and thought it was a poor kind of literature, which is why they thought Muhammad was mad. It was not unexpected for Muhammad to react by claiming that his work was the best in the world.

Muhammad was an Arab and the Arabs still react in a similar manner in similar circumstances. In Arab culture, it is still common for a person, who produces a poor work, to defend his product by saying: “I challenge you and all your relatives to produce something similar”. Or even to swear in the name of Allah that his product is “the best product in the world”. On the other hand, people who produce works of high quality, be it literature or any form of art, do not makes such challenges. If the challenge verses mean anything, they mean that the Arabs did not like the Quran. They are signs of weakness rather than signs of strength.


References:

1. Verse 3:7

“He it is Who has sent down to you the Book: In it are verses of established meanings; they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its meanings, but no one knows its meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: “We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:” and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.”

2. Omar Ibn Hisham was renowned of his encyclopaedic knowledge (father of knowledge) and recognised Muhammad was a liar. When Muhammad seized power, he reversed his nickname to ‘father of ignorance’ and tracked him, together with Al nadr Ibn Al Harith, and killed thim in the battle of Badr.

3. Verse 18:6 “Perhaps, you, would kill yourself (O  ) in grief, over their footsteps (for their turning away from you), because they do not believe this narration (the Quran)”

4. Verse 37:36 “And they said: “Are we going to abandon our gods for the sake of a mad poet?” and verse 44:14 “Then they had turned away from him (  ) and said: “One taught (by a human being), a madman!”

5. Verse 34:9 See they not what is before them and what is behind them, of the heaven and the earth? If We will, We shall sink the earth with them, or cause a piece of the sky to fall upon them. Verily, in this is a sign for every faithful believer that turns to Allah.

6. Verses:

17:90 And they say: “We shall not believe in you, until you cause a spring to gush forth from the earth for us;

17:91 “Or you have a garden of date-palms and grapes, and cause rivers to gush forth in their midst abundantly;

17:92″Or you cause the heaven to fall upon us in pieces, as you have pretended, or you bring Allah and the angels before (us) face to face;

17:93 “Or you have a house of adornable materials (like silver and pure gold, etc.), or you ascend up into the sky, and even then we will put no faith in your ascension until you bring down for us a Book that we would read.” Say (O  ): “Glorified be my Lord (Allah) above all that evil they (polytheists) associate with Him! Am I anything but a man, a Messenger?”

7. Verses 7:120 And the magicians fell down in prostration, 20:70, So the magicians fell down in prostration. They said, “We have believed in the Lord of Aaron and Moses.” 26:46 So the magicians fell down in prostration

8. Verse 2:23 “And if you are in doubt about what We have sent down upon Our Servant [], then produce a surah the like thereof and call upon your witnesses other than Allah, if you should be truthful”, and verse 17:88 “Say, “If mankind and the jinn gathered in order to produce the like of this Qur’an, they could not produce the like of it, even if they were to each other assistants”

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Nice Article!!
written by Reed Wilson , October 04, 2010
To Mr. Mumin Salih.
Great!! You have done yeomen service to me particularly and to Islam generally. You have put together almost all references from Quran which negates claims of miracles.

Quran also gives the logic behind not giving signs to Muhammad.

Hadis, which I think was invented by Persians to nullify each and every thing of Quran, centuries after the demise of Muhammad, is rife of miracles of Muhammad.

The Muslims would not stop claiming the miracles of Muhammad. They can add some more miracles to the credit of Muhammad.

Credit of Miracles goes to God and not to one who demonstrates it. Bible says:

"Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. This man was handed over to you by God's set purpose and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men,[d] put him to death by nailing him to the cross. But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him”. (Acts2: 22-25)

The miracles of Muhammad are hadis given and the Muslims are hadis believing and Quran rejecting people, will never discard the false miracles which is slander.
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this is a false article...muhamed slept with all huis wives in 1 nite...this is great miracle
written by ALLAHS ETERNAL ERECTION SEX ROBOT , October 04, 2010


this is a false article...muhamed slept with all his wives in 1 nite...this is great miracle.

today muslims believe in the lies of 72 virgins in imaginary jannat this is a great miracle.

today muslims believe in a book full of crap...this is a great miracle.



gime gime gime my hot hot 72 houries now.
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written by amina , October 04, 2010
they even need to read quran every morning. And pray 5 times a day
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Are moslems the most idiotic epople on earth?
written by proudest kafir , October 04, 2010
Yes, yes and a positive yessmilies/grin.gif
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Was Muhammad the greatest prophet, Reed?
written by Editor, M. A. Khan , October 04, 2010
Reed says not.

The Quran clearly says that Allah gave miraculous power to all his previous prophets. Having that kind of power is a sign of greatness to say that least. But Allah didn't endow Muhammad with that symbol of greatness. Instead, Allah called Muhammad simply a human and a postman.

Would Muslims now stop calling Muhammad as the greatest prophets amongst those sent by Allah and Islam as the best religion of His?

They should look forward to accepting a prophet, who had been endowed with such great power and adopt his religion, say Judaism or Christianity. Shouldn't they?

What does Reed say?
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reesha...You seem to have a superiority complex
written by duh_swami , October 04, 2010

Muslims just gotta be right...
Actually, it is a human thing to want to be 'right' all the time...Its called ego...There are other people who are 'right', but there is no one who is quite as right as I am...That makes me supreme...That makes me...special...Someone wrote a song about that...'Your so vein, I bet you think this song is about you...don't you'!?...This is why some religions advocate humility...Part of the goal of spiritual freedom, is to 'get over yourself'...That's very difficult for some people when their god (Allah) and roll models (Mahound) keep telling them how special (Allah only loves Mahoundians) they are if they believe, this or that, (Quran, Sunnah, Sira) and conduct themselves in certain ways, (Quran, Sharia compliant)...
The same god (Allah) makes it clear who he dislikes, which is generally speaking anyone who rejects him, Kufr, disbelief...If there is anything Allah hates it is disbelief...Disbelievers are the most vile of creatures according to him...So Allah has cast the roll of Mahoundians as superior to kufr...He has deemed it that every submitter is supreme over any disbeliever kufr, and gives directions to believers as what he wants them to do about it...This feeds directly into the human ego that is already there, but needs feeding...A hungry ego does not need rationalization, reason, intellect, emotional stability, education etc...It just needs to be fed, and Islam, by the grace of Allah does that...



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"No comparison among Messengers"
written by Reed Wilson , October 04, 2010
To M.A.Khan."What does Reed say"?

Not much left for Reed to say. I have been saying that right from Nuh to Muhammad, including Jesus and Moses, were messengers of God and were his servants.

Reed is not competent to make such declaration. It is Quran which declares:

"For those who believe in Allah and His Messengers, and do not differentiate between them, We shall certainly give them their reward. Allah is All-Forgiving, All-Compassionate" (4:152)

Verses 17:55, 2:285, 4:150, 4:152 also convey similar message that the messengers should not be differentiated.

The confusion is created by calling the messengers as prophet. And we all know that the messengers are messengers. It is the message, the same message, that counts.

Now, there are no messengers, greatest or smallest. It is only message that is accessable.







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No role model.
written by Reed Wilson , October 04, 2010
duh-swami.

There is no role model in any religion including Islam. All fo them have to follow the Master.
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T0 REED
written by Clement The Islam-Watch Pastor , October 04, 2010
The way you discredit Allah/Mohammed miracle matter does not classify you as a muslim. It simply revealed that rational side of you which you are supressing under the cult of Islam notorious in its irrationality. If a divine message cannot prove its divinity through miracles and wonders what then was the basis of having faith in such a message? Honestly REED I don't know where you belong. Why do you believe that the Quran is divine yet you agreed that it has no divine approval?
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written by duh_swami , October 04, 2010
There is no role model in any religion including Islam. All fo them have to follow the Master.

Then there is no such thing as religion...Without living examples of the results of belief, no one would think belief has any value...If the 'master' is not a roll model, then the master has no value...
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Some one said this in the past.
written by Healer_999 , October 04, 2010
Another miracle is 1.4 Billion People believing this Koran to be a miracle.

Allah is such a sadist. When few miracles could do the job but he only swears by sword and terror.
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Carly Simon..
written by dead or alive , October 04, 2010
..wrote and sang her song, you re so vain in 1972. I am getting older.
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No more miracles.
written by Reed Wilson , October 04, 2010
Another miracle is 1.4 Billion People believing this Koran to be a miracle.

Quran is not a 'miracle' of Muhammad.
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written by duh_swami , October 04, 2010

Quran is not a 'miracle' of Muhammad.

The Quran is no miracle...period...
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written by John , October 04, 2010
Very good article. First article I read on this topic.
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Miracles in contrast to no miracles
written by Walter Sieruk , October 04, 2010
Jesus did many miracles. Muhammad did none, that says in it's self says something.
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miracle in my persoal life..
written by dead or alive , October 04, 2010
..was to turn a life time atheist like me to Jesus Christ.One time i was dead,now i am alive with him.Blessed be his name!
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Reesha And Amen Dead or Alive
written by Truthseeker , October 04, 2010
Typical of people like yourselves to claim how we are all sooooo stupid and ignorant....without even attempting tell us why. You make no attempt to use facts to prove us wrong.

And Amen to you AMEN D orA, Christ is King and He is coming soon!

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wat
written by watwat , October 04, 2010
Jesus was a nigger
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To Reed... Prophet or Messenger: Doesn't make a difference
written by Editor, M. A. Khan , October 04, 2010
Reed, you say, Muhammad was a messenger, not a prophet, yet you believe that Quran is Allah's word. According to definition of prophet, Muhammad was exactly one: "In religion, a prophet is an individual who is claimed to have been contacted by the supernatural or the divine, and serves as an intermediary with humanity, delivering this newfound knowledge from the supernatural entity to other people."
How could Muhammad got Allah's messages without any communication with Allah? Would you explain?

Even if you want to call all of them messengers, still the one with the power of performing miracle is not on the same level with the one who doesn't have any such power. Suggesting they are on the same level is nonsensical in the least.

And you say: There is no difference amongst prophets. In saying so, you, thanks to western liberalism, try to affirm the idea of equalitarianism. Yet your Allah is not in fabour of such equality for all as He says of the Arabs in the Quran: "Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."
While you an egalitarian person, your Allah is a racist.

And how is it possible that a prophet chosen from the best race of all people in the world can be on the same level with those prophet chosen from other inferior races?
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muhamed never rcvd message from imaginary allah....he made it up
written by ALLAHS ETERNAL ERECTION SEX ROBOT , October 05, 2010



muhamed never rcvd any message from his imaginary deity.he claimed gabriel gave him messages.

what i ask is...how can u be sure it was gabriel...did he carry an id card or something ?

today in a court of law one needs proof.today why there r no prophets ? bcoz non muslims r
thinking truthfully logically and access the siutation through the prism of truth.

as against this muslims will believe in any lie....as long as they hv the false promise of
72 virgins who remains virgin after every penetration.

heheheheeee...muslims r so stipid.

if allah is so great/advanced why he did not invent id card and stuff or did not
create printing technology on earth first ? he cud have simply
distributed his book to everyone rather than muhamed make fake claim
abt rcv messages,virgins etc.

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Prophet or Messenger:
written by Reed Wilson , October 05, 2010
To Editor, M. A. Khan, Sir, you are asking and thank you for asking, that:

Reed, you say, "Muhammad was a messenger, not a prophet, yet you believe that Quran is Allah's word".

In Quran Muhammad is a messenger of his Master. A prophet is one who does prophesy. The modes of communications with Allah and his messengers are given. Quran says:

•“Verily, I have inspired you as I inspired Noah and the Messengers after him; I also inspired Ibrahim, Isma'il, Ishaque, Ya'qub, and sons of Ya'qub, 'Iesa, Ayub, Yunus, Harun, and Sulaiman, and to Dawud I gave Zabur. And Messengers I have mentioned to you before, and Messengers I have not mentioned to you, - and to Musa Allah spoke directly. (4:163-64).

•“Yet they say: "Why does he not bring a sign from his Lord?" Have not clear proofs come to them in what is contained in the earlier Books? (20:133)

•No messenger could do a miracle on his own (Acts2:22-250).

And you say: “There is no difference amongst prophets”. No sir, I am not saying so. Quran says so which I have quoted earlier.

You are asking, “He says of the Arabs in the Quran: "You are the best of peoples…” Mr. Khan, it is not only for Arabs. It can be about Americans also, if they are believers. You have quoted right.

You are asking “And how is it possible that a prophet chosen from the best race of all people in the world can be on the same level with that prophet chosen from other inferior races”. This question is based on assumption. Quran replies:

•“And when there comes to them His signs they say: "We shall not believe until we receive the like of that which other Messengers of Allah had received." Allah knows best with whom to place His Message". (6:124)

How you get “best race of all people”?
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written by duh_swami , October 05, 2010
From Reed...How you get “best race of all people”?

Well, Mohammad said that about Arabs in one of those fake hadiths...But beyond that, Allah is an Arabic god, Mohammad his 'messenger', 'Prophet', an Arab, Allah's language is Arabic, all of Mohammad's companions were Arabs, Islam was revealed in Arabia...The Quran was written in Arabic by Arabs, 'for' Arabs...While Islam is all inclusive, it is still racist...All Muslims are equal in Allah's eyes, but Arabs, are a little more equal than non Arab Muslims...
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written by Machmoed , October 05, 2010
The quran became for the rest of humanity afterwards. After they they succeeded unite arabs, then also the word muslim is invented and along with this they claimed it is for humanity. The arabs themselfes didn't and don't understand all of it and in order to let people believe or understand the same in contrast to early events were many muslims got in war with eachother (2 fitna's) and these fitna's were the inspiration to educate people through fiction stories in order to function. Those stories of Quran or hadith are not neccesary true or false...it's not about reality. Those stories had the function to mobilize and to orientate. Therefor the stories had to be believed in in order to work. This is the reason arabs somewhere in mid 8th century start to construct up sharia etc.

If the quran was devine or islam was the truth, then all humans would be muslim.
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Koran Miracle
written by Guy Macher , October 05, 2010
The true miracle of the Koran is that so many people believe this steaming brown pile is the word of God!
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Unsubstantiated.
written by Reed Wilson , October 05, 2010
duh-swami "Well, Mohammad said that about Arabs in one of those fake hadiths...But beyond that, Allah is an Arabic god, Mohammad his 'messenger', 'Prophet', an Arab, Allah's language is Arabic, all of Mohammad's companions were Arabs, Islam was revealed in Arabia...The Quran was written in Arabic by Arabs, 'for' Arabs...While Islam is all inclusive, it is still racist...All Muslims are equal in Allah's eyes, but Arabs, are a little more equal than non Arab Muslims..."

Well, it is all unsubstantiated.
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Reed
written by duh_swami , October 05, 2010
Well, it is all unsubstantiated.

No it's not...Facts are facts...
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Reed, stop your studpity...
written by Editor, M. A. Khan , October 05, 2010
Muhammad in this verse certainly and positively pointed to the Arabs, amongst whom Muhammad was preaching Islam.

Didn't I quote a verse in an earlier comment directed at you, in which Allah said, he sent Muhammad as a messenger to a people, to whom a warner wasn't sent before.

To which people did Allah sent Muhammad as a warner?

To Israelites came Moses, Jesus to Romans.

Most of all, Muhammad did his preaching and warning to Arabs exclusively, never venturing out of Arabia, unless for conquest, not preaching and warning.
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Best race.
written by Reed Wilson , October 05, 2010
To MAKhan. I quote from your earlier post:

"Yet your Allah is not in fabour of such equality for all as He says of the Arabs in the Quran: "Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors.". While you an egalitarian person, your Allah is a racist".

In the above, Mr. Khan, you have quoted translation of a verse. Since there was no number of verse and I wanted to see if the translation was correct, I put the question. I have to see who are addressees_Arabs, believers or menkind? That can be cleared by consulting preceding verses.

I remember once you quoted 32:2 which I think you dont mean here. There is no 'best race' in it.
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Ignorance of Muslims.
written by Reed Wilson , October 06, 2010
To Mumin Salih. You have rightly pointed out “The Quran is the Muslims’ most read book yet it is least understood”. It is rather not understood by muslims. There is big crowd of ulema who say that one cannot understand Quran without them. These clergies are in all religions. Their duty is to keep the scriptures at a distance.

The concept of earning ‘hasanat’, as you have pointed out, is invented by ulema on the basis of hadis. Quran is utterly against this concept. I quote:

•No indeed; this is an advice. So whoso wills may give heed to it.80; 12
•It is nothing but Good Counsel for everyone in the world, (81:27)
•We have made this Qur'an easy as a reminder. Is there, then, any who will take heed? (54:17)
•We have bestowed upon you a Book that mentions you. Do you not understand? (21:10)
•Follow the best of what has been sent down to you from your Lord before the punishment overtakes you suddenly, while you are unaware' (39:55)
•And the Messenger will say, "O my Lord, my people had made this Qur'an the object of their ridicule." (25:30)
•Surely this Qur'an explains to the Bani Israel most of the matters concerning which they have disagreements (27:76)

Muslims don’t read Quran. Hence don’t know above. The concept of Hasanat is nowhere in Quran. If they are punished, Allah is not to be blamed. Woe to them!!

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Reed
written by duh_swami , October 06, 2010
Allah is not to be blamed.

If Allah created everything...The buck stops with him...
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written by Machmoed , October 06, 2010
If i was Allah/God: would i challenge humanity wich i created? If i was God/Allah would i swear on cities, the moon, the stars and even on the day of judgement to make my point?

Yes sais a muslim. Allah swears and challenges his creation. My next question to muslims would be: are you sure this kind of pronouncations/talk belong to a mighty deity? To me it shows the incapability of humans to define the source.
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The concept of hasanat and sayeat is in the Quran
written by Mumin Salih , October 06, 2010
To Reed Wilson
I agree that the concept of hasanat (good deeds) and sayeat ( bad deeds) is invented by the Muslims, just like everything else in Islam. However, the basis of this concept is in the Quran, another Islamic invention.
You wrote “ Muslims don’t read Quran. Hence don’t know above. The concept of Hasanat is nowhere in Quran”
Please read this from the Quran:
Q.99: 7-8
99: 7 “So whoever does an particle’s weight of good will see it”, 99: 8 “And whoever does a particle’s weight of evil will see it”
And this:
Q.4:40 “Indeed, Allah does not do injustice, as much as a particle’s weight; while if there is a good deed (ie HASANAT), He multiplies it and gives from Himself a great reward”
And more importantly, read this article in Islam Watch http://www.islam-watch.org/Mum...omHell.htm
It describes the concept in more details.
If you disagree with this concept then you disagree with the very vast majority of Muslims and you end up having your own religion which is different from Islam, which you are trying to defend.
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Mumin Salih
written by duh_swami , October 06, 2010
you end up having your own religion which is different from Islam, which you are trying to defend.

Reed has been advised of this before...more than once..As far as the rest of Islam is concerned, he is an apostate...

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from above
written by Machmoed , October 06, 2010
I remember Reed in the beginning said he can't read arabic. If this is the case, how would he know what the quran sais except through translations. Am i right Reed? do you understand Arabic and i think you do, but why did you say you couldn't?
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Mumin Salih.
written by Reed Wilson , October 06, 2010
Yes Mumin, The confusion is due to my mistake I did not construct my sentence carefully. It should have been “The concept of earning ‘hasanat’, by just reading Quran without understanding, as you have pointed out, is invented by ulema on the basis of hadis”. We (you and I) were criticizing the practice of just reading without comprehending. This amounts to making mockery of message. I am sorry for the inconvenience.

Yes, the concept of syyeat and hasnat and punishment and reward is conspicuous in Quran. It is rather in all the religions. I am with you on that. All your references from Quran are relevant.

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Prophet Could Not Make Single Prophecy
written by haiman basher , October 06, 2010
Forget miracle, he could not even get a Male child, despite having so many many wives and sex slaves !

If only he had produced a male child, all those Shia-Sunni problems would have never taken place?

Why The Great Prophet could not prophecy this?

FakeProfet
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To Reed, verse number...
written by Editor, M. A. Khan , October 06, 2010
The number of the verse is 3:110.

If you read it in conjunction with 32.3: "Nay, it is the Truth from thy Lord, that thou mayest admonish a people to whom no warner has come before thee: in order that they may receive guidance", it becomes crystal clear that Allah definite meant the Arab Muslims as the best of all people.

Even if you say that an American can fall into the best of peoples as said in verse 3.110, that still makes your Allah and Islam racist, so are you, for proudly affirming and defending this racism inherent in the cult of Islam.
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written by duh_swami , October 06, 2010
Islam is the vehicle for Arab supremacy...That is the long and the short of it...
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Enjoy!!
written by Reed Wilson , October 06, 2010
Ok Mr. Khan. Text of Quran is same for you and me. Meanings cannot change.
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Arabic.
written by Reed Wilson , October 06, 2010
To Machmoed.
"I remember Reed in the beginning said he can't read arabic."

I can read Arabic. I dont remember if I gave such impression.

I remember once I asked you the meanings of masabah.
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2 Reed
written by Machmoed , October 07, 2010
Reed, don't you remember when you wrote that you wished you could read arabic to a sunni muslim i believe. Maybe you meant the arabic of quran wich is indeed hard to understand.

You didn't answer the question about the difference between al-insaan and al-bashar. This question i asked you is because you said the quran is arabic, but albashar is no arabic word. This is also for al-forqaan. Al-forqaan is a seriac-aramic word wich means salvation. Hor-ain is also an seriac aramic word and actually there are 2 words in it...hor and ain. Ain is in arabic and seriac aramic eye. the translation is seriac aramic would then mean pure/white eyes. This is why luxenberg thinks quran must have a seriac aramic origin wich was used as a lectuarium and was called qaryaan.

Suyuti found more than 52 different languages and he said that this was the evidence for quran’s divinity. The rulers (through al azhar) condemned this vision and they told him that quran itself claims it is Arabic, so don’t say otherwise.
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Moshale
written by Mr.Reed Wilson , October 07, 2010
You have quoted following verses which are difficult to understand for me. will you please explain them a little for me.
•No indeed; this is an advice. So whoso wills may give heed to it.80; 12
•It is nothing but Good Counsel for everyone in the world, (81:27)
•We have made this Qur'an easy as a reminder. Is there, then, any who will take heed? (54:17)
•We have bestowed upon you a Book that mentions you. Do you not understand? (21:10)
•Follow the best of what has been sent down to you from your Lord before the punishment overtakes you suddenly, while you are unaware' (39:55)
•And the Messenger will say, "O my Lord, my people had made this Qur'an the object of their ridicule." (25:30)
•Surely this Qur'an explains to the Bani Israel most of the matters concerning which they have disagreements (27:76)
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Mr.Reed Wilson
written by Moshale , October 07, 2010
Sorry Mr.Wilson above lines are for you....sorry again
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Majority.
written by Reed Wilson , October 07, 2010
To Salih. You write "If you disagree with this concept then you disagree with the very vast majority of Muslims and you end up having your own religion which is different from Islam, which you are trying to defend".

No matter. We all know what 'very vast majority' believes. I have to satisfy myself, not to the 'very vast majority'.

Do you agree with the majority?
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Clarification.
written by Reed Wilson , October 07, 2010
To Moshale. While writing to Mumin Saleh, I wrote “There is big crowd of ulema who say that one cannot understand Quran without them. These clergies are in all religions. Their duty is to keep the scriptures at a distance”. I quoted the verses from Quran, which you mention, telling that Quran claims that it is simple and is for every body. I repeat them:

•”No indeed; this is an advice. So whoso wills may give heed to it”.80:12
•”It is nothing but Good Counsel for everyone in the world”. 81:27
•”We have made this Qur'an easy as a reminder. Is there, then, any who will take heed? (54:17)
•”We have bestowed upon you a Book that mentions you. Do you not understand? 21:10
•”Follow the best of what has been sent down to you from your Lord before the punishment overtakes you suddenly, while you are unaware' 39:55
•”And the Messenger will say, "O my Lord, my people had made this Qur'an the object of their ridicule." 25:30
•”Surely this Qur'an explains to the Bani Israel most of the matters concerning which they have disagreements”. 27:76

Moshale, the verses are within commas and chapter number and verse number is given in the end. I hope I am clearer now.


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written by duh_swami , October 07, 2010
Do you agree with the majority?

There are some things that are called common knowledge...If you go out in the rain, you will get wet, if you are cold, and stand in the sun, you will get warm.
The majority of people will tell you to not jump out in front of a speeding train or truck...The majority would advise not to swim where there are sharks.
The majority of Muslims advise to follow Quran, and hadith...In this case, the majority is wrong...Right? The majority of the people in the world do not read Quran, or believe in Allah, or his 'Prophets' books...I am with 'that' majority...
If it's true that the majority wins, Islam is a loss...And those who believe in it are outnumbered losers...
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My Arabic.
written by Reed Wilson , October 07, 2010
To Machmoed. You write "You didn't answer the question....called qaryaan".

No Machmoed, it dos not match my memory. May be you wrote to somebody else before my stepping in IW.

Suyuti is no different.
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Intelligent.
written by Reed Wilson , October 07, 2010
duh-swami. So you dont jump from the moving train because majority suggests that. You count 600 out of 1000 before implementing the suggestion.
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written by Reed Wilson , October 07, 2010
duh-swami. You write"The majority of people will tell you to not jump out in front of a speeding train or truck...The majority would advise not to swim where there are sharks".

That is why you dont jump and swim. Each time you count six hundred out of one thousand before implementing the suggestion.
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To REED: That means you are a looser in your Islamic Belief system because there are less than 1% of you in Islam
written by Clement The Islam-Watch Pastor , October 07, 2010
Sometimes I don't understand why you are still defending Islam, because you easily give in to rational reasoning. See what you just said to Du-Swammi

"That is why you dont jump and swim. Each time you count six hundred out of one thousand before implementing the suggestion."

So he has won the arguement. Islam is the Minority.Islam is a looser that is why you don't count four hundred out of one thousand and implement the suggestion. Reed you are right? what next? stop defending Islam. you don't need to read the quran or go to school to know that Islam is fake and a bunch of lies because by their fruits you shall know them. If majority doesnot win the vote, Majority will win in the case of Islam.
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Reed Wilson
written by Moshale , October 08, 2010
You wrote: There is big crowd of ulema who say that one cannot understand Quran without them. These clergies are in all religions. Their duty is to keep the scriptures at a distance”.
Deffinatly you are one who belong to Arab or you have learned this language very well. if this is the case than you must have read Quran from begning to its end and very well know Quran as a whole. therefore one can assert that you can not only understand its meanings but also know the real meaning to the extent of a human capabilty by using his capability.
If my above assertion is faulty than you must have used different translation of the same clergy you are condemend in your above lines. It means you are also one of those who are at a distance from Quran.(created by ulema and clergy)
I think thats why you just pasted the same verses of Quran again because you may have understood their meanings but not able to make others understand.
I do not like to hurt you but I can quote verses and even suras which no one can understand and looks meaning less rather irrational for a person like me who can only try to understand from existing translation of Quran.
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Translations.
written by Reed Wilson , October 08, 2010
To Moshale. Thanks for caring of feelings.

I will appreciate if you don’t hesitate in asking or giving your comments. Quran says “Fulfill your moral obligations, bid what is known to be right and forbid what is wrong, and bear with patience what befalls you. These are indeed acts of courage and resolve”. (31:17)

Yes the message is in Arabic and one has to bank upon translations if he does not know the language. But it should not be a big deal.

The translations are simple. They should not be necessarily from Muslim clergies. Any Arabic knowing can do that. No doubt clergies have made it their monopoly. I, most the time, consult translation of Asad, a Jew. Who ever will do the translation it will be correct. By using translations and simultaneously referring the text one gets familiar with the language. On net one can conveniently compare translations. Learning Arabic is also not difficult.

I don’t paste same verses. They are relevant and answering the questions.

You write “I can quote verses and even suras which no one can understand and looks meaning less rather irrational for a person like me who can only try to understand from existing translation of Quran”. You can refer them to me. I will try to understand the problem

(Above was posted on "Open Letter To Reza by mistake)
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Sincere advice.
written by Reed Wilson , October 08, 2010
To Clement. Thanks.
You write "So he has won the argument". No question of winning/losing. He meant common sense. I deliberately took it to 'majority'.

Truth cannot be beaten by majority. If majority says that square of hypotenuse is NOT equal to square of base and altitude in a right-angled triangle, it is not going to change Pythagorean Theorem.

Clement, you are so nice and always come up with sincere advice. I wish if I could agree with you.



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To Reed You are nice too but you do not belong to Islam.
written by Clement The Islam-Watch Pastor , October 08, 2010
My only doubt about your sincerity and rationality is that you are defending an indefendable cult believe system that only the ignorant and the oppressed can remain in the system. I don't need a prophet, or seer or a divine revelation to know that Islam is a terrorist organisation, who believe in a terroirist mannual the Quran, it strive in ignorance,violence and stupidity.
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To Reed
written by Garden Variety Troll , October 08, 2010
I'm surprised you haven't sprouted hair all over your body, I recognize a relative when I see one. Hello, fellow troll.

It must give you kicks confusing everyone.

Reading in Arabic isn't easy to learn, scientific studies have revealed so.

The confusion is created by calling the messengers as prophet. And we all know that the messengers are messengers. It is the message, the same message, that counts.


A prophet doesn't only prophesy... he's a person that a Deity or Divinity has contacted personally. A messenger is called a prophet when the message he's relating is from (a) God -- of course there's another kind of messenger they're called the possessed, either by an angel, devil or djinn but I doubt you'd want to call Muhammad that.

As for why the Hadiths exist, one must consider that either:
1. The Qur'an confused a hell lot of people then like it does now, so well-meaning muslims decided to create something to release their mental agony and give light to their holy book. As for why anyone would do anything like it, you must consider the fact that Muhammad effectively ended any hope of clarity to Allah's word when he declared himself the last prophet. Therefore the only recourse would be to say (invent?) that Muhammad did this or that in his lifetime. As well as to make something previously wrong, into something right. This is called expediency.

2. Hadith exist because of a very simple thing, you know when they say a rumour is told because something in it is (partly, or even extremely remotely) true? The same can be said for the Hadiths, they are based on something that supposedly happened. This is called an allegation.

3. Hadiths exist because they really happened. This is called biography.

4. A mix of all the other choices.

Choosing the first, second or fourth choice, makes you wonder what sort of followers Muhammad has.

As for the third choice, I'd say it's a horrible biography.

What's sad is that there are missing suras, (dare I say a goat ate Allah's miracle or) lost along some of the warriors in expeditions to conquer and pillage (oral tradition dies with the person who memorized it) and for Muhammad to say he was the last and final prophet (or if Reed would insist, messenger)... then he's miraculously deficient in attending his obligations to Allah by letting these suras disappear. Allah cannot send any more prophets to give the umma the missing suras, because Muhammad was, according to himself, the last of the prophets.

Therein lies the conundrum, how does Allah correct Muhammad's blunder because he can no longer send another prophet to restore the missing suras?

Maybe it's true, the Qur'an no longer is relevant because it was only ever complete in Muhammad's lifetime.
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Reed Wilson
written by Moshale , October 09, 2010
Internet is blessings for some and problem for some.
however your assertion that all the translations are correct is not understandable as most of the translation in english are almost one and the same with a little difference where their own sect involve. therefore we can assert that all the translations are wrong because all them from clergy who want to "in your words" Their duty is to keep the scriptures at a distance”. obviously from all the readers of Quran. so how can they be correct? As regrad Assad please note he was a jew and than become a muslim but how, by reading Quran, Hadith,Islamic History, and Sunnah these are available in Arbic and certainly he was influnced by all above matirial created by clergy to keep one at distance from holy scriptures. I think we are clear on the point.
I do not want to put forwrard any verse or term of Quran at this stage however will be deffinatly mentioned to you after we mutualy resolve issue of translations in english. your submission shows that you are not from Arab and not well grounded in Arabic language.
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Reed Wilson
written by Archpagan , October 09, 2010
Reed Wilson considers himself the real Muslim, all other being fake, i. e. Munafeek. So, I think it is his religious duty to blow up such Munafeeks, just as the 'pure' Muslims are doing in Pakistan and Iraq. Good luck in your mission!
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written by Reed Wilson , October 09, 2010
To Moshale. I will not insist on correctness and there is "a little difference" as you say, to suit the sect of translator. Why should he do that?

If you are a little apprehensive, you can always check and detect the little difference through text. It is a problem but not big.

It is the time of competition and commercial influences. A pure translation can find good market if done by non muslims. This is possible Europe and America.

Famous arabic dictionary, Almanjad, if I am correct, was compiled by a Christian.
You are right about Asad. We find hadis influences at some places but not many. You can, however, get essence from all translations.

Yes I am not Arab. I have studied Arabic to some level. I don’t read Interpretations. They too are contaminated.







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Duty.
written by Reed Wilson , October 09, 2010
Archpagan. You write "So, I think it is his religious duty to blow up such Munafeeks".

How? It is not my religious duty. My duty is to convey the message of God. Not more than that.
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written by duh_swami , October 09, 2010
Reed... I don’t read Interpretations. They too are contaminated.

No you don't read anothers interpretations, you make up your own, and they too are contaminated...
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Interpretations.
written by Reed Wilson , October 09, 2010
duh swami. You write:

"Reed... I don’t read Interpretations. They too are contaminated.
No you don't read anothers interpretations, you make up your own, and they too are contaminated..."

You are very right. I do that. Quran calls for your own thinking. Not the borrowed wisdom.

You know my thinking. It is pure.
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Reed you get more comical by the minute
written by duh_swami , October 09, 2010
You know my thinking. It is pure.

You are your #1 fan...

Pure what? It depends on who you ask...But you don't ask anyone about your purity, you just claim it, and everyone who reads about it does this... smilies/grin.gifsmilies/grin.gifsmilies/grin.gifsmilies/grin.gifsmilies/grin.gifsmilies/grin.gif...Maybe you could get a job at Comedy Central...
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Reed Wilson
written by Moshale , October 10, 2010
sorry reed i am not agreed with you that their is a little difference, however its enough that you have accepted distortion though a little in existing Quranic translation.therefore whatever you are quoting from Quran is not 100% correct.
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Laughed, laughed and laughed away.
written by Reed Wilson , October 10, 2010
duh-swami. You are laughing so much on yourself. I am also happy. I wish you happiness.
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written by Reed Wilson , October 10, 2010
To Moshale. For comprehension and understanding the message, one has to read in sequence. I did it three times. We know that Quran is not voluminous. It is one third of the bible in volume.

If I dont know Arabic, I am obliged to undergo some effort to get the message. Best thing is to learn Arabic.

For our convenience I have to copy paste the ready made translation. I do see that it is 100% correct. You know that there are so many who know Arabic well on this site. When doubt, I consult dictionary.

It is my responsibility that I muct convey the message right.

If you dont belong to ANY sect, understanding Quran is a lot easier.
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Reed
written by duh_swami , October 10, 2010
duh-swami. You are laughing so much on yourself.

Yes I do that sometimes, but I was not laughing at me, but at you...
You stand on your head, turn yourself inside out, and still make few valid points...You constantly try and defend what can't be defended, and are not quite adept enough to be convincing...But I understand how it goes, just like the goat ate important aya's, the Editor delays forever your best posts...You can blame Allah for that, he set it up that way...
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Reed Wilson
written by Moshale , October 10, 2010
Ok. quote whatever you like as people do not have abilty to look inside thed Quran so your 100% correct is still not correct because 100% correct meanings of Quran known by Allah only. So improve your understanding about Quran I suggest, pls do not mind it because i am your friend not foe.
Further please not I am not Muslim of the kind you know them how can a muslim claim to be a muslim if he belongs to a sect. So do not please abuse me by calling a muslim. I am a jew, I am achristian, I belong to patriarchs and I am that who surrender his will to Allah.
Many thanks for your comments no further discussion is solicited.
Regqards
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Enjoy!
written by Reed Wilson , October 10, 2010
duh_swami. It is all the more better if you laugh at me. I am happy that you are laughing. This is what I wished.

I have no problem with the editor. Two posts were detained for scrutiny. They appeared as promised.

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2 Reed
written by Machmoed , October 11, 2010
According to islam it's the muslims who will laugh at the day of judgement or even when muslims are in heaven. Muslims will laugh at those who didn't believe in Allah and his last messenger. Mulims will be the group who is laughing in the hereafter. Do you believe they will Reed? Will they laugh because uinbelievers are going to or are in hell? I don't want to belong to a group who laughs at someones misery. Do you?
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No more miracles.
written by Reed Wilson , October 11, 2010
To Mumin Salih. Your article is based on facts.

You write "Allah made it clear in the Quran that he sent no miracles with Muhammad, neither in his Quran nor in his hadith. Would this stop Muslims from claiming that there are miracles in the Quran and sunna? I doubt it!

This shows your faith that Quran was not written by Muhammad himself, it is by Allah and it is truth.

If Muslims claim miracles of Muhammad they are blaspheing. But they will not stop. They will not stop because Hadis attributes miracles to Muhammad. Hadis is anti-Quran, we know it and it is proved by your article too.

Muslims dont want to have faith in a miracle-less messenger of God.

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Reed
written by duh_swami , October 11, 2010
duh_swami. It is all the more better if you laugh at me. I am happy that you are laughing. This is what I wished.

Islam-watch needs a court jester...I don't believe anything you say, or nearly so, but I do think your mental acrobatics, and intellectual gymnastics, are comical...I also think you get far to much attention...You have been trying for over a year to make a valid point, and have failed...You really need to try a different approach...The one you are using is not serving you well...
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Approach.
written by Reed Wilson , October 11, 2010
duh-swami. Thank you. The approaches automatically change. We have to find angle to mount on horse.
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the trouble with you Reed
written by proudest kafir , October 12, 2010
is this. You are using the angle to mount the horse ( islamic angle) instead of the angle to mount on the horse and are getting kicked in the mouth repeatedly.Still ypu are a persistent,idiotic mounter!
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Islam, Miracles and Science
written by Anti Clot , October 12, 2010
The Quran a miracle? Take a look at Surah 86 where it is described how sperm evolves from the backbone region! Nevertheless muslims are claiming so-called scientific miracles in the quran. But this is contradictious by itself. Science is nothing to be revealed by god. Science is about Empiricism and it was islam that slammed science and emiricism because it contradicts the quran. How many muslims received nobel prices fpr science? Are there any? Therefore the only way for islam to survive is trhe oppression of the truth.
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Muslim Nobel laureates.
written by Reed Wilson , October 12, 2010
To Anti Clot. The Surah 86 has never been contested and proved wrong. It is absolute truth. Where do you think the sperms come from?

We have already defined what Islam is and who is Muslim. Accordingly, we can not say for sure that all the recipients of Nobel in Science were not Muslims.

In Quran we find Jews also as Muslims:

“When Jesus found Unbelief on their part He said: "Who will help to the work of Allah?" Said the disciples: "We are Allah's helpers: We believe in Allah, and bear witness that we are Muslims (those who submit)”. (3:52)

“And don’t dispute with the People of the Book, except with most kindly manner, unless it be with those of them who inflict wrong and injury: but say, "We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our Allah and your Allah is one; and it is to Him we submit (Muslim)." (29:46)

See also 2:132-33, 3:84 and 5:111.

If you consider the Hadis believers and Quran rejecters as Muslims, you are mistaken. They are not submitting to god by doing blasphemy.
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Happy for hell.
written by Reed Wilson , October 12, 2010
To Machmoed. I put the same question to you.
Will they laugh because uinbelievers are going to or are in hell?

Please read respective portion of Quran and please tell me.

I will be happy on my own salvation.
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where do you think sperms come from?
written by proudest kafir , October 12, 2010
Hmm let me think.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm AH I get it now.From the dikky?
Let us use the qrandik knowledge for getting an answer.From back bone of allah the pimp? Nope.Let me think again.Ah i get it.From the kidney that is located between the legs! There the science of islam!
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Reed
written by Machmoed , October 12, 2010
Sura Mutaffifin

(Defrauders)

No.83 (Verses 29-36)

•29. Surely those who committed sin used to laugh at those who believed,
•30. And when they passed by them, they were winking at one another (in mockery;)
•31. And when they returned to their people they returned jesting,
•32. And when they saw them, they said: 'Surely these have gone astray'.
•33. While they had not been sent as guardians over them!
•34. So, on this Day (of Judgement) the Believers will laugh at the Unbelievers:
•35. (Sitting) on thrones (of Dignity) they will command (a sight) (of all things).
•36. Have not the Unbelievers been paid back for what they used to do?

Muslims will laugh at unbelievers because the unbelievers laughed at the believers while alive. But the believers know what happenes to unbelievers.....hellpunishment and still they laugh at them. The problem is that Allah made them laugh while they are alive and it's Allah wo didn't want them to believe in Islam. If he wanted humanity to be one he just would say kun fayakun. Somewhere Allah doesn't want to but holding them responcible. Could this be devine or mercyfull. NOt to my estimation.
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Thanks.
written by Reed Wilson , October 12, 2010
To Machmoed. Well done. The quotation is correct.

I dont see them in the hell yet. They will laugh as reaction of their mockery. Still it seems that rejecters will be consigned to hell.

I agree with you. You are right.
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Muslms are wrong
written by Anti Clot , October 12, 2010
It is not about laughing about or mocking islam. No, because Islam is a tragedy and we have no reason to laugh about it. Or should we laugh about suicide bombers, about hundreds of millions of hopeless, illiterate people, about millions of young people wasting their time by memorizing the quran without understanding it or about 1 and a half billion people wasting their time with praying, fasting and reading fatwas about how to beat ones wife and how to masturbate instead of doing something useful? Of course I know that you all have oil and that this will last forever, much like your water reserves and because you are muslims you have no need to learn anything useful . But in my view this is a tragedy to watch people giving up their intellectual capabilities in order to become brainless sheep or even zombies! What for? You must only have a look at the islamic paradise! Everything what is promised there is from earth! Fruits, honey, water and everything! But in order to receive it you must work for it and produce it! Praying means nothing else that you want that somebody else does the job you are supposed to do by your own. So much about islam. Many promises for believers and hell for unbelievers! But here is how the reality works: What have you done? What did you achieve?
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Food for thought.
written by Reed Wilson , October 17, 2010
To Anti Clot.
Your criticism is valid.
What you describe is painful.
It is all thought provoking.
Good luck.

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