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Top Modern Islamic Lies

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Islam was born with lies to its followers and infidels. Now as Islam comes under increasing scrutiny, especially facililated by modern technologies, Islamists invent new lies to circumvent those criticisms of Islam. A list of those modern Islamist lies are enumerated in this essay.


Many Muslims often take pride in Islam that it teaches them to speak the truth. However Islamists have been always lying and misinterpreting issues to brainwash Muslims and to fool the western kaffirs (non-Muslims). Because of faith in Islam, Muslims do not ever challenge what Islamists preach. General Muslims discuss the lies among themselves and believe the lies are true. The world has significantly changed after kaffir Bill Gates introduced the Windows operating system for computers. After that the Internet plays an integral part in everybody’s life. The Jewish kaffir established (worst enemy of Islam) Facebook has become the most popular webpage in the word.

The method of lying by Islamists also changed with respect to the computer age. Many Islamists are tech savvies who run websites, send Islamic emails to Muslims, and create Islamic pages on Facebook. The most interesting part is that these Islamists and some fanatic Muslims spread hate for kaffirs, especially for Jews, on the Internet and right on Jewish Facebook. How funny this can be? This is beyond ridiculous!

Lies have been always part of Islamic discussions and preaching. The techniques of lies have been upgraded due to Muslim migration to the west and the modern age of the internet. General Muslims and kaffirs have been always fed with traditional lies since the birth of Islam. The following are the most common modern lies with which most Muslims and many kaffirs are already familiar.

  1. Modern Science Comes from the Quran: Scientists (obviously mostly pure kaffirs) spend their lives researching stuff and finally come up to a new invention. Islamists claim that the formula of modern science is originally told in Quran. But where in the Quran can the formula be seen? If Quran is a book of science, then why aren’t the madrassa (Islamic school) students becoming scientists or inventors for any good useful stuff? Don’t they study and know Quran a lot more than regular Muslims and kaffirs do? But instead of being scientists, why do many madrassa students become terrorists and extremists?
  2. Quran Is the Best Book ever written: Really? In what sense? How many Muslims do read the Quran and understand the meaning of all its verses? Even many Arabic Muslims just read it for their faith, but do not analyse the actual meaning of the Quranic verses. Quran is claimed to be the exact words of God and humans are incapable of writing such a book, but over 90% of human beings have not read it (properly- Muslims) and do not even know about it.

    What part of Quran is better than other books? How can human beings be benefited from this book when not from other books? In reality Quran has no chronology, has mathematical and scientific errors, asks Muslims to hate kaffirs, to kill kaffirs, to beat wives, to kill someone who comments on Islam critically, to kill Muslims if they leave Islam, to cut hands of thieves, and so on. Sunnis and Shias are killing each other every week, despite having faith in the same book, the Quran. Yes, the Quran is, indeed, a great book on earth!
  3. 9/11 Was Masterminded by Bush and Jews: Most Muslims living in North America still believe Muslims could never be involved in 9/11. They often discuss this issue among themselves. Assuming this Muslim claim is right that Jews and Bush planned the 9/11 attacks. Then why were the pure Muslims (Arabian Muslims) so happy with the attacks that killed over 3,000 people in a few hours? Why was the Palestinian woman dancing and praising the attackers? What did their happiness have to do with the Jewish and Bush conspiracy? Don’t all those pure and semi pure Arabic Muslims hate Jews and America? If 9/11 was a plan by Jews and Bush, then why would they and other Muslims be so happy?
  4. Saudi Arabia Iran and Former Talibani Afghanistan Are Not Real Muslim Countries: Who are then real Muslim countries that at least try to practise Islam to the full? The main reasons to make this bogus claim are these countries chop hands, behead, stone to death, and flog the accusers. Such practices are considered inhuman and moderate Muslims are ashamed of these Islamic practices. Maybe these so called Muslims should go to Saudi Arabia to teach and show Saudis that this country is not following Allah’s book and Sunnah. The rest follows the next lie.
  5. Western Countries Steal the Value of Islam:  Modern Islamists say, “nowhere in the Islamic countries Islam is fully practised as per Allah and Muhammad. This is why Islamic countries are so miserable.” At the same time, the same Islamists quickly brainwash Muslims and kaffirs stating that western countries follow more values of Islam, which gives more freedom and equal rights. Is this really true? The value of western countries is based on Christianity, Judaism and humanism. This is why people from all over the world choose the west (particularly USA and Canada) to live freely and equally as one.

    Islamists quickly discovers that western kaffirs stole Islamic ideas to build the value of the west. Western kaffirs do not know a single word of Islam but stole the value of Islam. How funny is this? What about the Muslims in Saudi and other Islamic countries? Don’t they understand Islam and its value to build their own countries like the west to let all human beings live as one?
  6. Westerns Are Rapidly Converting to Islam: If western kaffirs are heavily converting to Islam every day, would not the western countries become Islamic states soon? Any sign yet? Where are those new converted western Muslims? They can never be seen in mosques or any Islamic programs. Most of the converted Muslims are black and some white trash people, who have no value in society. They declare bankruptcy and mainly live on government money. How many police officers, government officials, night club DJs, celebrities or professors converted to Islam? And where are they?
  7. Islam Treats Women Equally and Gives Even More Rights: What kind of stupid claim can this be? Women in Islamic countries are more depressed and have very limited rights than any other places on earth. They cannot drive, walk alone, work freely, divorce (unless the husband is mad) and do many more. This situation can be fairly noticed where Islam is practiced to the full in countries like Saudi Arabia. If Islam gives full rights to women, then why women only in Islamic countries have less rights?
  8. Jews Control Media and Play a Role in US/Canadian and World Politics: The moderate Islamists and Muslims say Jews lie and exaggerate Muslim terrorist attacks and never report crimes by Jews. Do these Muslims want to blame the Jews for the crimes Muslims commit? Today’s 99.9% terrorist attacks are solely performed by Muslims. Can anyone deny that? In reality Jews are involved in very less crimes in comparison to Muslims, Hindus, or any other kaffirs. Can anyone show a mega list of Jews who rape women, kill people and deal drugs on a regular basis like people from other religions and ethnicities?

    When there is an attack in Israel and Palestine, the same news can be found on BBC, CNN, the Islamic Al Jajira and other media. If Jews play an integral part in US/Canadian politics, what’s so bad about it? Muslims are welcome to play a part but they do not do, as the western politics is made by kaffirs, the enemy of Islam.

    Assuming all major government sectors are solely controlled by Jews (according to Muslims). Aren’t Muslims in these Jewish USA and Canada living much better than they would live in miserable Islamic countries? Aren’t these Jews giving equal rights and benefits to the Muslims? Can Muslims get such equal rights and benefits in any Islamic countries? Aren’t these Jews helping poor countries constantly and run to them with food after any natural disasters? Does any Islamic country do this? Who are then better, Jews or Muslims?
  9. Fasting Gives Human a Meal Balance: A specialist doctor one day was saying on TV in Bangladesh in an Islamic show how important fasting is to human life. He said “Fasting is just the change of our daily food routine, which helps rebuild our body. Human needs such a change once in a year, and this is how Allah creates us”. The main point talking about fasting is to state how Islam is good that asks human for fasting. In many Muslim countries, iftar occurs at about 6 pm. During fasting Muslims skip breakfast and lunch. Iftar works as early dinner. Many people eat Sheree (pre-dawn meal) right before fajr prayer at about 4 am.

    Maybe such a temporary change in human bodies is good and the doctor’s claim is true. But is this true for only people living Islamic countries? What will happen to the people in northern and southern parts of the world where sometimes sunlight is longer? Can these people live without food for 22 or more hours a day for fasting? Is it healthy? What does Islam say about this? If fasting is good for us, it has to be universal, and detail explanation should have been written in Quran and/or Hadiths. Where is that explanation?
  10. Islam Gives the Best Code of Life: If this is true, then what best code of life can we see among Muslims and Islamic countries? Why do kaffirs (primarily East Asian and western) live longer and healthier than average Muslims? The rest follows the next lie.
  11. Islam is a Religion of Peace: The most favourite dialogue by moderate Muslims and Islam charlatans like Zakir Naik. If Islam brings peace, then why so many terrorists are Muslims, why Muslims are killing each other? Why are Muslims (by Quran and Hadith) always aggressive? Why honour killing is practised a lot among Muslims?

    One important question: every few days, dozens of people in Pakistan (mainly), Iraq, and Afghanistan are dying in suicide bomb attacks, which are perpetrated by the same Muslims (mainly Sunnis). If all Pakistani Muslims happened to be or convert to Christianity, Hinduism or become infidels (pure kaffirs) overnight, would there be any suicide bombings next day or would Pakistan lose its innocent people anymore?
  12. Mullahs Do Not Follow the Real Path of Islam: Moderate Muslims hate Mullahs and they are able to brainwash the western ignorant kaffirs that Mullahs are not well educated and do not fully understand Islam. Is this true? Do these so called moderate Muslims ever read Quran and Hadith? When a Muslim spends all his life studying Islam (Quran, Hadith and Sira), should not he know Islam better than those Muslims who have never understood the meaning of a single world in Quran and Hadith?

As a matter of fact, the above modern lies can be heard from many Muslims and Islamists. Muslims will never know the truth unless someone challenges the above lies. Islamists will keep telling lies to Muslims and kaffirs. But it will stop one day when Muslims are aware of the lies and given opportunities to comment on those lies. Islamists do not like Youtube and Facebook on which anyone can post comments whatever he wants. Islamists want no comments against Islam and their lies. When Muslims are allowed to freely practise Islam in the west and preach it on the Internet, they have to be ready to freely hear comments on Islam and their claims at the same time.

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written by islam man , November 14, 2010
islam scares you

islam 1

you 0

have a nice day
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Aviod islam
written by Proudestkafir , November 14, 2010
and moslem in the same way as one would avoid shit (dog shit) on the side walk.This does not mean that one is scared of dog shit.Is it? Avoid islam like dog shit as islam is dog shit.You islamists: 0 :) The Kaifrs 1.There
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very good.
written by Healer_999 , November 15, 2010
I keep asking some questions, esp. regarding Islam is truth and Saudi Arabia and Koran being the best book and Mohammad being the perfect man, mentioned here in some forums; Muslims never come back to answer this kind.
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to Proudestkafir
written by Editor , November 15, 2010
The kind of language you often use in your comments on this forum is truly disturbing. I would not mind Islamists use your kind of language, because we want to expose their true color. But we, those fighting Islam, don't really want to be seen in the same color as the Islamists'. Your comments malign us. And foul language does not achieve anything. You are doing the islamists' job of discrediting us, our mission; we would wonder if you are one of them.

I hope that you will civilize your language. Else we have to take action to keep this forum civil and decent.
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i wil fightl
written by A.R khan , November 15, 2010
i am under serious threats because i have quit islam, and i have discovered reasons behind this, now being a woman of a tribe of Taliban i have to face difficulties but i will not afride. why the humanity of 21... should live under the supermacy of old Arabic culture.
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written by MR.phuckislam , November 15, 2010
no islam man, islam does not scare me.
It disgusts me as it would any rational human, something you could never hope to be.
It amuses me, seeing packs of retards, like you, bowing to a god that has been proven to have been made up.
It makes me feel good, knowing that I can easily and undeniably claim to have far more intellect than the sub-human retards {like you} who are so deranged that they believe a mass murdering serial rapist pedophile warlord torturer assassin thief psychotic and psychopath could be chosen to be a prophet.
What scares me is that creatures, like you, can be so retarded as to believe this crap and to act on it.
Still, you and your goat loving buddies { islam is the only religion to permit sex with animals} will give us normal humans something to laugh at. So, back to your goat and goat cum stained prayer rug, and pray to your non-existant god.
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written by islam man , November 15, 2010
islam is best. and we do not want anger and war, so please could you take all your soldiers out of our countries, and give back Palestine.

maybe then you wont be so insecure having to live your lives watching a "terrorist danger chart"

thanks and bye

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f the world gime my 72 virgins
written by f the world gime my 72 virgins , November 15, 2010
f the world gime my 72 virgins
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TO ISLAM MAN U PLS LEAVE PALESTINE FIRST
written by f the world gime my 72 virgins , November 15, 2010


TO ISLAM MAN pls leave all infidel places first only 1400 yrs ago palestine was a non muslims place
and then muslims destroyed everything.

so u leave palestine first.
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To Islam man...
written by Editor , November 15, 2010
If that's how you want it, then prepare yourself for returning all the lands Islam/Muslims have occupied and enjoyed their fruits for way too long. Let's start with what Muslims must return to the Jews: Medina, Khaybar, and Mustaliq in Saudi and entire Palestine (including Gaza/West bank, Jordan, Syria). I would stop here not to point out what Muslims should return to the Hindus or Christians....
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pls return entire india to india and all muslims leave india
written by f the world gime my 72 virgins , November 15, 2010


to islam man

i am an ex-muslim from india.i want my country back.only 1200 years ago,u conquered my country and did jihad = genocide on us.u destroeyd nalanda university and butchered over 50000 monks and raped nuns in 1 day.

u people burnt down nalanda unievrsity,and destroyed over 6 million
manuscripts etc invaluable things etc.i want it all back.bcoz each
is more precious than yr koran=toilet tissue.

pls undo this damage.

pls leave india,pls give us back kashmir,punjkab,sindh,afganistan,and all other country
with name " stan " as they were part of infidel india.india means=huamnity,freedom,
equality and freedom of religion and freedom from religion if desired.

after u do this we will talk abt palestine.
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Editor? Dsiturbing language? Fouling up the board?
written by Proudestkafir , November 15, 2010
Let me see the foul language that has disturbed you.Calling Islam as dog shit! Okie dokie. I shall call it as islam is pigs excreta.There does it sound better? Or Islam is human excreta. I wonder why calling garbage as garbage that is islam, should be disturbing.
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To Editor
written by Archpagan , November 15, 2010
The Kaa'ba rightfully belongs to the polytheists i. e. the Hindus. The Kaa'ba stone actually a Shiva Linga
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To Proudestkafir,
written by Healer_999 , November 15, 2010

You have an attitude problem.
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way to go arch pagan...let us take back arabia from the muslims and give it back to kafirs=truth believers
written by f the world gime my 72 virgins , November 15, 2010
way to go arch pagan...let us take back arabia from the muslims and give it back to kafirs=truth believers,who believe in humanity,truith,tolerance and democracy and also truth of evolution.

let's build a hugh holy lingam again there.
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written by duh_swami , November 15, 2010
written by islam man , November 15, 2010
islam is best. and we do not want anger and war, so please could you take all your soldiers out of our countries, and give back Palestine.

Ok...As soon as you get your brother jihadists out of India, Britain, France, Germany, Europe in general. The US, Russia, China, Iran...and give the entire mid east back to Christians who owned it before Muslims showed up...
Repelling invaders and Crusaders from Muslim lands, by jihad, may be justified in some ways, but jihad in countries not owned by Muslims, and never was owned by Muslims, makes Islam the invaders and crusaders...And it is 'right' for kufr to defend against them...Or at least their ideology that allows and enables this crusade...The divine order to invade is best expressed in these two verses in Quran...8:39/2:193...

'we do not want anger and war'...Of course not, not as long as you're getting your way (Islam)...You would like us (kufr) to not notice your own invasions and crusades...But we do notice, and we will not submit...
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Proudestkafir
written by duh_swami , November 15, 2010

'Petrified Bovine Fecal Matter'...Or HPP...Hardcore Pig Poop...
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Archpagan
written by duh_swami , November 15, 2010
There's a youtube presentation explaining the sexual designation of the Black Rock...It was identified as a yoni, a female sex organ...I have never seen the black rock, but I have seen drawings of it, the frame is the female organ, and the rock is placed as the hole...This is what they kiss, or want to kiss...I wonder if the Rock had this frame when Mohammad first kissed it, or did it come later? This is symbolic of the 'mother/father' god...Allah the father, the yoni rock the mother...That means that Islam itself is guilty of shirk at the highest level...And you are right, it is Shiva Linga...I'm not so sure Mohammad was that cosmo literate, but someone who came later was...The idea was either borrowed of stolen from Hindu's...
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Have you read the Qur'an? - here are some samples
written by Tanstaafl jw , November 15, 2010
Those who drowned in the flood were disbelievers. 11:42
Allah will send a painful doom on several nations. 11:48
Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the Fire 13:5
Allah does not hear the prayer of disbelievers. 13:14
Those who do not answer Allah's call will go to hell. 13:18
Allah leads disbelievers astry while he torments them in this life. Then afterh they die, he makes them uffer even more pain in the doom of the Hereafter. 13:33-34
The reward for disbelievers is the Fire. 13:35
Woe unto the disbelievers. Theirs will be an awful doom. 14:2
"Lo! for wrong-doers is a painful doom." 14:22
"They set up rivals to Allah that they may mislead (men) from His way. Say: Enjoy life (while ye may) for lo! your journey's end will be the Fire." 14:30
Let the disbelievers enjoy life and let false hope beguile them. They will come to know! 15:2-3
"The disbelievers would not be tolerated." 15:8
Iblis will lead humans astray. Only perfect Muslims will be safe from him. The rest will go to hell. 15:39-43
Those who don't believe in the Hereafter are proud. 16:22
Allah made a roof fall in to kill unbelievers. "And the doom came on them whence they knew not." 16:26
Disbelievers are evil and will dwell in hell forever. 16:27-29
Disbelievers are liars. 16:39
Theirs will be the Fire, and they will be abandoned." 16:62
"Theirs will be a painful doom." 16:63
Allah will add doom to doom for those who disbelieve. 16:88
Those who oppose Islam will face an awful doom. 16:94
Those who loose their faith in Islam will face an awful doom. Allah's wrath is upon them. 16:106
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muslim=thief
written by Machmoed , November 15, 2010
the Real Path of Islam.

This must be a joke. There is no real path of islam except, fooling people with fairytales.

If there is such a real path of islam, muslims showed it to the world through history. Conquering and looting others like they did too in north Africa. Beat it. Give those lands back to it's former owners. Stealing from others would be the right path of islam, as it always have been through history.
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To Tanvir Kami.
written by Reed Wilson. , November 15, 2010
Under "Fasting Gives Human a Meal Balance" you have discussed claims of Muslims about fasting. quran doesnt make such claims. It says:

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا كُتِبَ عَلَيْكُمُ الصِّيَامُ كَمَا كُتِبَ عَلَى الَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ

"Believers, fasting is prescribed for you as it was prescribed for those before you; perchance you will be cautious (disciplined)". (2:183)

The Iftar and Sahar is invented by hadis. It is not mentioned in Quran.
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To ProudestKafir
written by Editor , November 15, 2010
Calling Islam names is acceptable, but calling Muslims names is unacceptable. Moreover, our forum will be better without words like dog-shit. You also try to outsmart us by spelling many banned words in a non-standard way.

I hope, you will be helpful in our running the forum in the way we want.
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To Archpagan
written by Editor , November 15, 2010
Thanks for reminding. Of course, I didn't want to lengthen the list not to burden 'islam man' too much.
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To whom it may concern.
written by Reed Wilson. , November 15, 2010
To whoever who wrote"i am an ex-muslim from india.i want my country back.only 1200 years ago,u conquered my country and did jihad = genocide on us.u destroeyd nalanda university and butchered over 50000 monks and raped nuns in 1 day".

You are writing as if you are an eye witness. When it happend and where? Please give your source. Please also tell how many nuns and who raped them?

I am sorry to learn all that.
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Reed...Google Akbar
written by duh_swami , November 15, 2010
'Please give your source'.

Never heard of such a thing huh Reed?
You have a computer and access to google...The invasions of India by Muslim crusaders and the slaughter of Hindu's is well documented in history...
You won't find it in Quran, you need something more reliable, that's why I recommend google...It's a strange thing, but google knows more than the Quran...google knows everything...more than Allah even...When Allah want's to know something, he asks google...So it's halal for you to use google to look up Indian history, and see what the parts about Muslim invasion and rule has to say...
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Science ?
written by Walter Sieruk , November 15, 2010
As for the claim that "modern science comes from the Quran" Muhammad taught that "stars were created by Allah as missilis to throw at devils." This was from the same man who gave the information that eventually went into the composition the Quran. [Source-THE ISLAMIC INVASION p.205 by Robert Morey
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I Agree!
written by The Great Buana , November 15, 2010
It is a well established fact that muslim conquerers destroyed Nalanda University and burnt thousands of books and beheaded thousands of monks. It was virtually the end of buddhism in India and the beginning of islam in this region. There are now some international initiatives to reestablish Nalanda University in India by sponsors from all other the world. We should all support this in order to bring progress and science to the world and to free it from islam.
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To Reed "I am sorry to learn all that" Wilson
written by skipper , November 15, 2010
If only you could get your head out of your Qur-anus you will realise there are plenty of other literature that can fill you with immense knowledge, such as the history of the Islamic invasion of India, the Muslims' destruction of Nalanda and Raghunath, etc. Stop being a Quran-only Muslim. Trust me, you will be the richer for it.
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Palestine?
written by Corpse , November 16, 2010
Palestine?

Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in the Tanach, but not once is it mentioned in the Qur'an.

Arab refugees from Israel began calling themselves "Palestinians" in 1967, two decades after (modern) Israeli statehood in 1948.

The only Arab rule following conquest in 633 B.C. lasted just 22 years.

For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem was the Israeli capital. It was never the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even under Jordanian rule, (East) Jerusalem was not made the capital, and no Arab leader came to visit it.

Islam is a fake tool. Mo had syphilis and it drove him mad. The entire "faith" is based on men sexually dominating everything, and living in harmony with nothing. Not even their own women. In Iraq, I watched Muslim women, who are by far tougher than the men who control them, get beat for taking even the smallest glance at us as we fought in the open. In uniform. With name tapes on our chest so the cowards hiding behind these women and children knew who were taking their lives once they stepped away from their human shields. They live like cowards, they fight like cowards, and Allah isn't there as they die like cowards. They blow up their own civilians in their markets when we (the actual enemy) aren't even in town. They have no regard for human life. This is why, even after multiple horrible beatings, the poor Muslim women still risk taking a glance at us, because it is the only way they can see a real man.
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too slow to show how to fast
written by leigh , November 16, 2010
nder "Fasting Gives Human a Meal Balance" you have discussed claims of Muslims about fasting. quran doesnt make such claims. It
How do Muslims fast according to the quran Reed?Give us verses revealing the details of fasting
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to : reed wilson pls just google nalanda university destruction my islamic invaders
written by f the world gime my 72 virgins , November 16, 2010
to : reed wilson pls just google nalanda university destruction my islamic invaders

u r denying the holucats against indians by muslims.do u know muslims destroyed thousands of temples
in india and somnath temple 18 times ? pls google or find in islamic books how they boast abt it
like babur nama etc.

beside this there is no proof that imaginary allah created man in imaginary jannat and sent him to
earth.

man is evoled by nature on earth and moved out from africa to the world,this has dna and
genetic proof.

so islam is false.
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To Proudestkafir,
written by Helaer_999 , November 16, 2010

You are not helping in any way. I pray that, but I do not believe in God, you realize this.
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Little knowledge.
written by Reed Wilson. , November 16, 2010
To duh_swami. Thanks for giving source. Yes Google and computer. Allah asks from net. Allah has created computer and Google. All man-made things are made by God. The God owns them. Quran says:

“When appropriate time comes, I will take out a creature from earth which will communicate with people and tell tem that they were not heeding and believing the words and signs of God” (27:81).

I enjoy your SOH. You solve serious issues with your humor. I believe the above verse is about computer or else the appropriate time is yet to come and more refined things will show up.

Not many people are thinking on Quran verses as the above also says. We are sick and tired of 72 virgins.

I am not here to defend muslims. I don’t do that. I just took it up because of my little knowledge of history. I am not sure that Hindus have monks and nuns. Nuns are normally not very attractive. The number of raped nuns were also not given. Lets finish it here.
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To duh_swami
written by Archpagan , November 16, 2010
You are on the right track. Shiva Linga consists of two parts- Linga, the phallus and yoni, the vagina. It is actually phallus and vagina in sexual union, symbolizing the creation or the creator. So Shiva Linga means ‘Symbol of Shiva’ not the ‘Penis of Shiva’ as many people (including Hindus) think. Such symbol was worshiped by many ancient people including Europeans across the globe.

India maintained naval links with the people of Indonesia (East Indies) at least since the 5th century AD. So, it is improbable that they did not explore the western seas. Actually some Hindu traders were living in Arabia at the time of Muhammad, which is borne out by the fact that Muhammad married a woman named ‘Hinda’. According to some authority the Bedouins followed a pidgin form of Hinduism and Muslims adopted the idea of head tonsuring after pilgrimage from the Bedouins. The Kaa’ba housed 360 deities and it is quite possible that the Shiva Linga was one of them, which remains there till date.
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Reed
written by duh_swami , November 16, 2010
“When appropriate time comes, I will take out a creature from earth which will communicate with people...

I hate to tell you this Reed, but computers and google are not creatures...
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written by vbv , November 16, 2010
Islam is an arab cult which robs and misappropriates the jewish patriarchs/'prophets' saying they were all muslims and at the same time spreading rancerous hatred of jews advocating their eradication with a big lie that Allah will bring his day of judgement only when all the jews are butchered ! Wow! what a bloodthirsty,savage "god" this Allah bastard is,bastard that he is for he knows not his father nor mother - a veritable wretch sustaining himself on rabid hatred. Infact a filthy megalomaniac that was ever created by its founder Muhamad ,the arch-criminal,brigand,rapist-par-exceelance,murderer,looter, slave-runner,crook and the biggets liar and lecher the world has ever known.
And this barbaric , filthy cult claiming everything good science,knowledge etc is typical of such an immoral,bankrupt idealogy that feeds on human fears . If islam is really so modern, scientific,filled to the brim with knowledge and wisdom ,why are muslims backward? Why islamic nations are so backward,oppressive and regressive ?
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To proudestkafir
written by Archpagan , November 16, 2010
Me too feel nausea at your post... please obey the editor or leave... civilized norm and decorum demand that.
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Computers and google.
written by Reed Wilson. , November 17, 2010
To duh swami. You reply "I hate to tell you this Reed, but computers and google are not creatures".

I consulted dictionary. It gives: Creature. Definition: Anything created; anything not self-existent.

duh, I repeat the verse:

“When appropriate time comes, I will take out a creature from earth which will communicate with people and tell tem that they were not heeding and believing the words and signs of God” (27:81).

To me it seems that God refers to computer creation. It communicates and educates. Isnt it?
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Restrain anger.
written by Reed Wilson. , November 17, 2010
To proudestkafir and Archpagan.

I am also out of wits and get cranky on some posts. I have to control in wake of Gods guidance:

“Those who spend, whether in prosperity, or in adversity; who restrain anger, and forgive people; - for Allah loves those who do good;- And those who, having done something to be ashamed of, or wronged their own souls, earnestly bring Allah to mind, and ask for forgiveness for their sins,- and who can forgive sins except Allah?- and are not obstinate and insist deliberately on their mistakes” (3:134-135)

I expect a reward also.
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Everybody here oh Reed is expecting reward for what is doing here the Tagiya
written by Clement-The Islam-Watch Pastor , November 17, 2010
This is interesting Reed says "I expect a reward also."

I can see why Reed is here refuting every logical expositionof the Quran, Allah and Mohammed He wants a reward in the Islamic paradise. I wish He knows what the Quran says about the Islamic heaven and who will qualify to go there. Good luck for you. Cheers
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Square pegs in round holes...a Wilson specialty
written by duh_swami , November 17, 2010
Dictionary .com
1. an animal, esp. a nonhuman: the creatures of the woods and fields; a creature from outer space.

2. anything created, whether animate or inanimate.

Interesting you use the secondary meaning rather than the primary and most common definition...Well, I guess whatever fits works...

I noticed also that you avoided #6. definition...Scot. and Older U.S. Use . intoxicating liquor, esp. whiskey : He drinks a bit of the creature before bedtime.

Allah not only created google as a creature (according to You) he also created whiskey as a creature...Apparently Allah wants believers to drink whiskey before bedtime...If not so, why would he invent whiskey?
Whiskey has communicated with lots of people, but I don't see where it has done them much good...I also don't see the 'creature' google communicating at all...'Men' communicate through google...The internet itself is a device, invented by man...especially Al Gore...Maybe you think that Al Gore is a new messenger from Allah...Since the internet is really just a big telephone company, Allah must have invented telephones as well...I wonder why Allah did not reveal cell phone technology to Mohammad?

'To me it seems that God refers to computer creation. It communicates and educates. Isnt it'?

If Allah invented the computer why did he not give Mohammad a computer complete with a Windows operating system? I guess that's because he had to invent Algore and Bill Gates first, and that took a long time...which is why the verse says: “When appropriate time comes..." Somehow, I don't think this verse was referring to future computer technology...
Childish theology...







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To Richard
written by BustedDivinity. , November 17, 2010
Surely the ancient, crude, ambiguous and totally technology-free language of the Koran could not have conceptualized 'a computer' in that bedouin lingo, a god who hates drawn images has an uphill task accommodating a photo-shop creating device, you Muslims love to hide behind the need for following the context, well the context of the koranic language is incongrous with 'a computer' as a creature, you have an arduous task proving how a computer is Allah's creature when women's nakedness and facebook's blasphemous acts gets a wide coverage through computers, your uppity is astounding, obfuscation and blatant lie is akin to Islam, anyhow, computers aren't creatures, they are termed 'devices' or 'machines'
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Author.
written by Reed Wilson. , November 17, 2010
to duhswami. What if I took secondary meanings? I was the author of my post. You know author?

Your objection why didnt Allah gave computer to Muhammad. I have never been God even for a day. I dont know the divine wisdom.I dont know his distribution policy. He has placed everything at the disposal of mankind. Glory to him.
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Un islamic.i
written by Reed Wilson. , November 17, 2010
To Tanvir Kami. Your article is commendable. What I appreciated most that you did not involve Quran in frameing your chargeseheet. They are Quranfree 'Islamic lies'.

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Reed
written by duh_swami , November 17, 2010
What if I took secondary meanings?

Because that made your statement misleading, maybe the verse was about whiskey...You know as well as I do that the verse in question was not talking about computers or google as 'creatures', unless it's in your dream fantasy world...You are twisting the meaning of the verse, and playing word games...And if Allah put everything at the disposal of man, where is my million dollars, I want to dispose of it...
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I don't want 72 virgins!!!
written by amboyduke , November 17, 2010
Please take this as an attempt to inject a bit of humour into this post.

I don't want 72 virgins....not in lifetime....no-sir-ree-Bob....not me...!!!

I would trade 72 virgins in for a dozen or so of the skankiest, raunchiest, slutiest, dirtiest little tramps I could get my hands on....you betcha...hot little babes every one....red heads, blondes, black, asian, white, you name it...no discrimination...cute as a button with an assortment of perfect bodies and eager to do anything I asked...they'd wear anything I wanted...high heels, lingerie, anything I desired....
and they'd let me put it anywhere...ohhhhhhn yeahhhhh...!!!
as long as it didn't hurt them or make them sick...LOL...LOL
Well....if it did hurt them it would "hurt them nice"...LOL

Although this is a serious discussion group, and I really side with duh_ swami with everything he says...I hope you all appreciate this little post...or not!

Tanvi's article was excellent.

Amboyduke.
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janitor from hell
written by Christo , November 17, 2010
Yes Tanvi, agree with Aboyduke. Your article is excellent. Although no one is untainted, you point out the greater sin.
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janitor---
written by Christo , November 17, 2010
OK. Let me clarify. I am using the term “to die” and “dying” in the Christian sense of dying to self and dying to the incessant need to be right. Some live like they are dying and in that way, psychologically, see on larger spiritual planes. I am not advocating dying for neighbors like driving a jet into a building full of infidels to the pleasure of some twisted Mulah. Merely dying to the one-upsmanship and competition.
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mr
written by mohamed , November 18, 2010
you seems to be misguided and misunderstood the fastest growing religion=-Islam
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written by duh_swami , November 18, 2010
written by mohamed , November 18, 2010
you seems to be misguided and misunderstood the fastest growing religion=-Islam

It would seem that the majority of Muslims are misguided and misunderstand Islam...That's why we have confused Muslims killing people around the world...It is a little odd that so many misunderstand the 'religion of peace' in exactly the same way. They think Quran 8:39, 2:193, 8:12, 47:4, 9:5 and others like them apply today...They think that the Quran is Allah's word for all time, and every order in it must be obeyed...There is a built in structure called sharia law that makes sure every Muslim obeys or else...There are those who claim that those verses and others like them refer to specific incidents, and are not stand alone, up to date orders from Allah that are good for all time...But that would make the Quran a history book, a knowledge lecture on history, told by the greatest historian, Allah...History has context, but the Quran does not...To give the Quran context is to blaspheme Allah...In my estimation, the Quran was assembled in such a way as to deliberately avoid context...Context destroys holiness...Every time a Muslim say's, 'you're taking that out of context', they have blasphemed.
Of course, if you take context out of it, all those war verses are valid today...
So who is misunderstanding Islam, those who insist on context, or those who do not, or both?
As a comparison, the Bible compilers had no fear of context...It was written and compiled, with real history, imaginary history, and according to some, various codes and symbolisms...But none of that context destroys the Bibles basic messages...'God is Love', Love God and each other, 'love is the power',
The supreme commandment in action, 'the golden rule is the application'...
But the Bible does not claim that it's original resides in Heaven with YHVH...If it did, it would have to erase its context...
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Phobias and manias.
written by Reed Wilson. , November 18, 2010
duhswami. You write "Of course, if you take context out of it, all those war verses are valid today...".

Do you mean that all wars fought in past and taking place these days, hot or cold, were fought according to Quran's teachings?

I think you are giving undue and unnecessary importance to Quran. Such fears are called phobias my dear psychiatrist.
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No misleading.
written by Reed Wilson. , November 18, 2010
To duh_swami.
How misleading and why misleading when none is mislead?

When God encourages to ponder on his verses, I use my head. It is quite likely in terms of the verse.

No playing with words. There is big communication gap. God says:

"Dont you see that Allah has subjected to your use everything in the heavens and on earth, and has made his bounties flow to you in exceeding measure, seen and unseen?

"Yet there are among men those who dispute about Allah, without knowledge and without guidance, and without a Book to enlighten them!31:20.

Million dollar can not buy you everthing. You have to put in effort also.
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Reed
written by duh_swami , November 18, 2010
Anyone can claim God or allah created everything, so we can safely say that not only is whiskey, the internet, google, the telephone, radio, TV, every kind of machine and substance used by man is a creature, coming right from deity...
Men and their own creative energies and applied intelligence has nothing to do with it...Yours is a philosophy for simpletons...The world is a lot more complicated than a god saying 'let it be', and it was...'God created everything', is the opinion of someone who does not know who invented everything, so they say, 'God' did it...If you ask, who is God, they will admit they don't know, but he created everything...That's not completely wrong, but it's lack luster...for the simple minded only...
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"The best of books ever written" really? A False claim
written by Walter Sieruk , November 18, 2010
Regarding the claim that the"Quran is the best of books ever written" the German author and scholar wrote "It is humiliating to the human intellect to think that this mediocre literature has been subjcet of innumerable commentaries and millions of men are still wasting time in absorbing it." [Source ANATOMY OF THE QURAN by G.J.O. Moshay p.151
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Another False Claim
written by Walter Sieruk , November 18, 2010
As for the claim that "Islam is a religion of peace" The Quran reads "When ye encounter the unbelievers, strike off their heads, untill ye have made a great slaughter among them.Verily, if Allah pleased,He could take vengeance on them without your assistance, but He commandeth you to fight His battles."
Thus , another false Claim
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False Claim #11 examined again
written by Walter Sieruk , November 18, 2010
The Bible reads in Proverbs 15: 15 “A simple man believes every word he hears; a clever man understands the need of proof.” [NEB]. Likewise, It’s a good idea not to take at face value the claim that the word Islam means “peace.” For example, the ENCARTA WORLD ENGLISH DICTIONARY copyright 1999 defines Islam as “submission” based on the word “aslama” meaning “he surrendered.” Given the definition it’s an odd phenomenon that after about fourteen hundred years starting on September 12, 2001 the meaning changed from “submission” to “peace.” It’s very well known that if the police are questioning someone and he changes his story something is wrong. Nevertheless, when it comes to Islam no one gets suspicious of the change. The jihadists brag that they will win the war against the West by using the Western ignorance and naive gullible mindset on the subject of Islam against us. It seems that they do have some basis in that claim since so many Westerners are beguiled by the Muslim disinformation campaign.
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Western Ignorance: Walter Sieruk
written by amboyduke , November 18, 2010
I agree with Walter. In general people in the West, (at least in North America) seem to be totally complacent with what is happening around them re: Islam.

People I talk to always poo-poo any discussion involving Islam, radical or "moderate". In the small town where I work there have been several examples of neighborhoods that have had Muslims going door to door with pamphlets trying to proseletyse (sp) the local folks.
Never in the history of this country has that ever happened before to my knowledge.
When people in the know refer to "creeping sharia", that is no exageration.
It seems to me that the West just keeps on ignoring the fact that Islam is a force with which to be reckoned.
And don't kid yourselves, Islam is clever and sly. They know what the want to do and they have the resolve to pull it off.
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Mr
written by Robert Tobin , November 19, 2010
Like Judeo/Christianity Islam began with the worst lie ever told, that there is a "god", a "creator/god". It is about time that lie was stopped and religion abolished.
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Socrates.
written by Reed Wilson. , November 19, 2010
To duh_swami. You write "Anyone can claim God or allah created everything, so we can safely say that not only is whiskey, the internet, google, the telephone, radio, TV, every kind of machine and substance used by man is a creature, coming right from deity.".

Things enumerated by you and every man mad thing, are shapes of ideas. Ideas are from God in form of hypothesese etc. It is god who has given knowledge and capacity to acquire knowledge.

Didn’t you see Socrates advancing same logic to Athenians?
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False Claim.
written by Reed Wilson. , November 19, 2010
To Walter Sieruk. Religion of peace is not the claim of Islam. Submisssion is correct translation of word Islam. This 'submission' is found among all religious groups.
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To duh_swami
written by Archpagan , November 19, 2010
Duh, few months back I tried to say the same thing to Reed as you said to mohamed on 18-11-10. But, you objected then wondering how talking of context in Koran can constitute blasphemy. I could not react then as I lost vital data as to how all attempts to add date or context to Koranic verses were violently suppressed by Muslims. I would like to request scholars like Machmoed and Amil Imani to give such data if they have any. Anyway, many thanks to you for putting the point more precisely and elaborately.
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Religion, lies and more lies...
written by Lokisattva , November 19, 2010
Religion is based upon human's insecurities about life, death and everything in between. Basically it's a defence mechanism based upon the instinct for self-preservation. People turn to their imaginary friend in the sky/wherever, basically a delusionary experience unless they come to see it as merely symbolic. Unfortunately, whether Muslim, Jewish, Christian etc ad infinitum, people take the dogma and leave behind the intent, the useful part of religion. Add on an "Us vs. Them" mentality and when taken to extremes, you have radical Islam and all the various cults - and ALL religions are cults. You're brainwashed from birth or you participate in your brainwashing later. I think all religion should be left behind in the trashbin of history. But until religionists get into the present, the lies of ALL religion will breed death. Islam, Judiasm, Christianity, so many other delusions are more concerned with afterlife rather than THIS life. Thus they thrive on death, are consumed with death and CONSUME with death. "Satan" is said to be "The Father of Lies". I think it's quite obvious from the Big(?) three that lying is THEIR specialty. In terms of lying and discord, He is far overshadowed by the rest...
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Islam Sacres Me, lol Yes Tt Does
written by Tanvir , November 19, 2010
"written by islam man , November 15, 2010
islam scares you

Yes Islam scares me because it is full of terrors. Good things never scare anyone. Good things always bring happiness. Unfortunately Islam does the opposite.
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Good News.
written by Reed Wilson. , November 20, 2010
If Islam scares you, you are the rare God fearing person. You will be consigned to Paradise.
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Not even a Muslim is safe because...
written by A Child of The Light , November 20, 2010
Islam scares itself. It is it's own worse enemy. It's a beast with it's own tail in it's mouth, and it's followers are the closest victims that will be devoured as the beast sweeps them into it's jaws. Follow the trail of blood, and there you will find the Beast of Slam.

Why don't the followers of this Beast wake up and recognize the difference between what is good and what is evil, or the difference between a spirit of light and a spirit of darkness?

Good brings life, and evil destroys life. Light gives life, and darkness takes life.
It's not that hard of a concept followers of Islam. Break that chain that binds you to this Beast before you are consumed by it's evil desires of death upon all humanity because it doesn't discriminate between whether you are a Muslim or not.

Look around the world followers of Islam and tell me what you see.
Do you see life being given in the name of Islam, or do you see life being taken in the name of Islam?

Even within your own houses of worship there is bloodshed from one Muslim upon another. Guns being drawn and Muslims being shot up within your mosques on who is going to lead prayer. Bombs being tossed in your house of worship from one sect of Islam upon another sect. Ask yourselves why. Because that's the nature of the Beast. Death and destruction are it's trademarks. Division is it's rule. Bloodshed feeds it's desires. This Beast of Slam is consuming all of you into a great pit of no return.

And to call Islam a religion of peace is deceit at it's highest, when even your own brethren are not even safe to worship in peace, nor live in peace with one another.

My sympathies go out to each and everyone of you, but I wholeheartedly condemn the practices and teachings that you follow from this Beast you call Islam.
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To A Child of The Light.
written by Reed Wilson. , November 20, 2010

To A Child of The Light. You are absolutely correct. Muslims are rather worst hit by Islam.

Islam is an ideology. If you dont follow an ideology it is fine. The repercussions are not so fatal.

But when you own that ideolgy and try to corrupt it and not faithful to it, it hits you back_hits very hard.

I give example of Israil. If they refuse nationality to Jews from other part of the word they will face collapse.

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Fight with enemy.
written by Reed Wilson. , November 21, 2010
duhswami. In your post of 18th to mohammad you write "They think Quran 8:39, 2:193, 8:12, 47:4, 9:5 and others like them apply today...They think that the Quran is Allah's word for all time".

For 8:39, I have abridged 8:34-40 for you to understand. I owe you the explanation of 2:193, 8:12, 47:4, and 9:5 later. It follows:

“They don’t have a case that Allah should not punish them; they are stopping Masjid Haram for you. They are not its guardians. Its guardians are righteous people. Their prayers too are objectionable. So, taste the penalty because you blasphemed. They spend their means to hinder from the path of Allah, and so will they continue to spend; but in the end they will have regrets”.

“Say to them if they give up their crime, their past would be forgiven; but if they persist, the punishment of previous people is the warning. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah does see all that they do. If they refuse and insist fighting , be sure that Allah is your protector - the best to protect and the best to help”.

It is evident from the verses that it is about aggressors who want to fight. Now you have to see if it applicable even today. I am not sure the Masjid Haram is with believers any more. Taking one verse and make it basis of argument will lead us nowhere.

You owe me a 'thank you'. No dont do that.
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Reed
written by duh_swami , November 21, 2010
Reed...It is evident from the verses that it is about aggressors who want to fight.

Yes those darned 'aggressors' who insist on 'warring with Allah' and not giving Muslims everything they want...Those darned aggressors are always in the way of the spread of Islam...Those darned aggressors, the US, Britain, France, Germany, Russia, China, Philippines, India, Israel and more...The aggressors who war with Allah are alive and well today...So all the verses that instruct to fight those aggressors who war with Allah, are in effect today, because those who want to fight with Allah are still here...So 8:39 and the rest are in effect today for the same reason that they were in effect in Mohammad's time...
The goal of 8:39 and 2:193 are to make the whole world for Allah, this has never changed and will not change because there is still resistance, and lots of it...Tumult and oppression happen every day...

8:39:And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily God doth see all that they do.

Tumult or oppression is still evident, justice is Islamic justice which is the essence (that is, the whole world is for Allah) of 8:39...Faith in Allah altogether and everywhere means the whole world...'Fight them until'...means what it says...'Until' has not yet been achieved and cannot be achieved, so the jihad continues in perpetual warfare.
8:39/2:193, and the others, are alive and well, and acted on
'today' because the aggressors who will fight against Allah and world Islam are alive and well today...So the jihad continues...

You need to tell that situational stuff to people who need to hear it...If 8:39 is being interpreted wrongly, you need to inform Muslims about it...It is not me who is engaging in world wide jihad...
Your Islamo philosophy does not match up with today's reality...
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Du_Swami: You have said it all.
written by Clement-The Islam-Watch Pastor , November 21, 2010
If all those scritures are no longer applicable then the whole of the Quran shoulredd be left with the 7th Century Beduin Arabs. Islam is an endangered faith that will soon go into extinction. Because its message is strange to the cilvilised world is not applicable in the 21st Century.

I love the Way REED interperet his Quran he tries to give it a human face in the light of humanity. If all mullahs and Imans are REED Wilson the world will be free of Terrorism and oppressions But the sad thing is that Wilson is only known in Islam-Watch his life will be in danger if true Muslim know where to locate him. I pitty the guy but he is our man only that he is also delluded with the Quran.
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To Clement Pastor.
written by Reed Wilson. , November 22, 2010
Thank you for kind words. Sometime you look like a Christian. Jesus wanted us to be kind. Quran tells me this.

Dont use caps in my name. Dont highlight it. No need pitying. Villians have their importance.
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To Reed Wilson
written by Archpagan , November 22, 2010
One does not require a holy book to know how to deal with an aggressor. Both India and Israel do not put any hurdles to Muslims in the practice of their Religion. Still Muslims all over the world want to wage Jihad against India and Israel. You may have genuine grievance, but, why bring Islam into picture? Just for Islamic brotherhood? This is seventh century mentality. Your support should be based on merits only.
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Reed, I Love
written by Clement-The Islam-Watch Pastor , November 22, 2010
I know you sometimes call me imposter, etc never mind I am one of those who sincerely love you here. Never mind how I sometimes I come hard on you. The reason I do that is because I want to wean you from that book call Quran. It is because you are humane that is why you try to read sense into the book otherwise that book does not worth a toilet paper. I know how you feel that a fire spiting prophesies of doom as revealed Quran cannot be a bunch of lies. A little use of brain and reasoning will make it an open secret especially when you try to compare it with what God has revealed before Islam in the Jewish scriptures which Mohammed agreed they are from his Allah.

There are many people like you in Islam, all their concern is to perform the ritual aspect of the religion and the apparent morality that can pass the test of reasoning and leave the rest to Allah and his Apostle. Such people can be morally good, but when it come to fighting for Allah such people will not hastate to hold the legs of the infidels for the jihadist to slaughter. That is why we are wary of you.
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Ms.
written by spicedchilijam , November 22, 2010
what an excellent article. I too was borne into a moslem family but was lucky enough to see through the lies and deceptions of the Incestuous "prophet" mo quite early on in my life and spat on its ugly sickness. in a recent book published last year (2009) in the "holy" city of Qom, Islamic Republic of Iran- The emphasis is on Islamic- and called "Hadiths on kisses", gathered by someone called Dawood Ahmadi and printed by Salavat publishing; on pages 29-31 is reported that this sick bastard would suckle at his own daughter's breast and stuff his tongue into her mouth and in this way smelt the breath of paradise, when kissing her breasts, and taste the sweetness of of its flowing wine, presumably when stuffing his tongue down her throat. No wonder moslems are sunk down to their eyeballs in the cesspool of islamic backwardness.
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Clement you are not imposter. You are poster.
written by Reed Wilson. , November 22, 2010
Clement. I didn’t call you imposter. Nor do I know that you were one. Love is beauty my teacher often said “If we don’t love, we cannot not live”. Thanks for the feelings.

You write “There are many people like you in Islam, all their concern is to perform the ritual aspect of the religion and the apparent morality that can pass the test of reasoning and leave the rest to Allah and his Apostle. Such people can be morally good, but when it come to fighting for Allah such people will not hastate to hold the legs of the infidels for the jihadist to slaughter. That is why we are wary of you”.

I don’t understand why you write all that. Once you wrote that I was solitary single of my type. Wary of me and love me. Strange!!

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No Reed is not strange
written by Clement-The Islam-Watch Pastor , November 22, 2010
There is nothing strange in it. Is like saying God love all humans alike without discrimination but there is an exception he does not like our sins. I love you but I don't like your love for the Quran because I know it will ruin your life in time and in eternity. I love you but I don't like your palling with one of the most evil men that ever lived on earth-Mohammed and you reverence him as a reverent gentleman and even give him a title of a prophet or Massager of God, whose terrorist manual you place your life destiny into.
If there is anything strange about you that is strange. Another thing that is strange about you is the fact that fact you often deny things that you have documented on this site as your expression or view. Now you are denying saying that you have never called me an imposter. What will you do if I refer you to your very words? Any way I am glad that you deny it. At any case you are free to call me names or anything you have that freedom and that will not diminish my love for you.
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Clement the Pastor.
written by Reed Wilson. , November 24, 2010
Clement. "Now you are denying saying that you have never called me an imposter". I remember what I wrote Pastor, paster, poster and imposter was just alliteration: and didn’t intend to offend you.

It is not a fact either. You have a declared postion here on Islamwatch.

Actually Muhammad is no more. He delivered a message He was not more than a messenger like many messengers. Quran doesnt endorse him more than that. In 3:144 it says وَمَا مُحَمَّدٌ إِلَّا رَسُولٌ قَدْ خَلَتْ مِن قَبْلِهِ الرُّسُلُ ۚ "Muhammad is only a messenger; and many messenger have gone before him".

We don’t have knowledge of private life of messengers of God. It is not requirement to know that in Islam or in Christianity. The sources like Bukhari and others have no foundation. They are no sources. Technically there is no difference between hadis and sirah. I deny them for the sake of truth.

Laughable are both Muhammad worshippers and Muhammad haters...When you folk abuse Muhammad I just don’t react. Waste of time! Quran addresses him as servant of God.

I appreciate your love. Christians are loving people as Quran says. I have not divorced Christianity.
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REED
written by Clement-The Islam-Watch Pastor , November 25, 2010
Why did you say "We don’t have knowledge of private life of messengers of God"?. But this is not true both the Bible and Quran and hadith often give graphic details of the private life of the prophets so that you can know those you called prophets. Where did you get information from? Definitely not from the Quran. Why did Allah give the following verses mainly for his prophet Mohammed.

Qur'an 64:14"Believers, truly, among your wives and your children there are enemies for you: so beware of them! ... Your wealth and your children are only a trial."
Qur'an 8:28"And know that your property and your children are just a temptation."
Qur'an 66:1"O Prophet! Why forbid yourself that which Allah has made lawful to you? You seek to please your consorts. And Allah is Forgiving, Most Kind. Allah has already sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows."
Qur'an 8:40"If people are obstinate, and refuse to surrender, know that Allah is your Supporter. And know that one fifth of all the booty you take belongs to Allah, and to the Messenger, and for the near relatives (of the Messenger)."
Qur'an 70:28"Preserve their chastity except with their wives and the slave girls they possess - for which there is no blame."
Qur'an 24:58"Believers, let your slave girls, and those who have not come to puberty, ask permission (before they come in your presence) on three occasions: before dawn, while you take off your clothes at midday, and after the night prayer. These are your times of undress - times of privacy for you. Outside those times it is not wrong for them to move about: Thus does Allah make clear the Signs."




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More private life verses for " Prophet" Mohammed
written by Clement-The Islam-Watch Pastor , November 25, 2010

Qur'an 33:51"You may have whomever you desire; there is no blame."
Qur'an 66:4"If you (women) turn in repentance to him, it would be better. Your hearts have been impaired, for you desired (the ban) [on how many girls Muhammad could play with at a time]. But if you back each other up against (Muhammad), truly Allah is his protector, and Gabriel, and everyone who believes - and furthermore, the angels will back (him) up."
Qur'an 66:5"Maybe, if he divorces you (all), Allah will give him in exchange consorts better than you - submissive, faithful, obedient, adorers who worship, who travel, and are inclined to fasting - previously married or virgins."

Qur'an 33:30"O Consorts of the Prophet! If...any of you are devout, obedient, and submissive in the service to Allah and His Messenger, and does good, to her shall We grant her reward twice. We have prepared for her a generously rich provision."
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To Clement.
written by Reed Wilson. , November 26, 2010
Clement. Thanks for the post. None of more than dozen verses quoted by you, relate to the private life of Muhammad. They are about instructions.
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To REED
written by Clement-The Islam-Watch Pastor , November 28, 2010
Are you saying that instructions as related to Mohammed sleeping with slave girls, pleasing his wives, having sex to any woman he likes of which he has no blame, whether his aunties, daughter-in-law, he can bang any woman it was no sin, marrying more than four wives, are these not related to the private life of the prophet? You know I purposely did not want to quote Hadiths for you, because you don't believe in its veracity. But I am surprised that you also disown the Quran I quoted above as not being private. What constitute privacy for you, If sex related and domestic issues are not private?
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To Clement, Pastor.
written by Reed Wilson. , November 28, 2010
What are you talking Clement. Please see the verses you have quoted on private life. Ask your friends.
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To Clement, Pastor: Not so private.
written by Reed Wilson. , November 28, 2010
Clement. Let me take up the verses you claim they relate to private life of Muhammad one by one serially:

•Qur'an 64:14"Believers, truly, among your wives and your children there are enemies for you: so beware of them! ... Your wealth and your children are only a trial."
There is no mention of Muhammad in it. It doesn’t relate to private life of believers even.

•Qur'an 8:28"And know that your property and your children are just a temptation."
Not any Muhammad in it. Is it private life of Muahmmad?

•Qur'an 66:1"O Prophet! Why forbid yourself that which Allah has made lawful to you? You seek to please your consorts. And Allah is Forgiving, Most Kind. Allah has already sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows."
Is it not an instruction? Do you get any private life in it?

•Qur'an 8:40"If people are obstinate, and refuse to surrender, know that Allah is your Supporter. And know that one fifth of all the booty you take belongs to Allah, and to the Messenger, and for the near relatives (of the Messenger)."
Where did you find private life of Muhammad in it.

•Qur'an 70:28"Preserve their chastity except with their wives and the slave girls they possess - for which there is no blame."
How this verse relates to private life of Muhammad?

Clement I don’t think that you will not understand things which even a person of ordinary prudence understands. These instructions are for happy living of one who follows them.
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Clement, Pastor.
written by Reed Wilson. , November 28, 2010
To Clement. Let me continue with remaining verses quoted by you:

•Qur'an 24:58"Believers, let your slave girls, and those who have not come to puberty, ask permission (before they come in your presence) on three occasions: before dawn, while you take off your clothes at midday, and after the night prayer. These are your times of undress - times of privacy for you. Outside those times it is not wrong for them to move about: Thus does Allah make clear the Signs."
Does it relate to private life of Muhammad? No Muhammad in it.

•Qur'an 33:51"You may have whomever you desire; there is no blame."
How it is Muhammad specific?

•Qur'an 66:4"If you (women) turn in repentance to him, it would be better. Your hearts have been impaired, for you desired (the ban) [on how many girls Muhammad could play with at a time]. But if you back each other up against (Muhammad), truly Allah is his protector, and Gabriel, and everyone who believes - and furthermore, the angels will back (him) up."
There is no Muhammad in the text. Translation is also adultrated.

•Qur'an 66:5"Maybe, if he divorces you (all), Allah will give him in exchange consorts better than you - submissive, faithful, obedient, adorers who worship, who travel, and are inclined to fasting - previously married or virgins."
There is no mention of Muhammad in this verse.



•Qur'an 33:30"O Consorts of the Prophet! If...any of you are devout, obedient, and submissive in the service to Allah and His Messenger, and does good, to her shall We grant her reward twice. We have prepared for her a generously rich provision.
Is it not instruction? Is it private life by any chance?

Clement. The private life seems more than private in the above verses:)


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Reed I can see why you disown the Hadiths which gives context to the Quran
written by Clement-The Islam-Watch Pastor , November 30, 2010
I can see why you don't want hadith to be quoted for you. Because you know puting the Quran in the context in which it was written it was a mess. Now you are saying where is Mohammed written in order to escape the challenge,but even the causual reader of Qurans knows that it was Mohammed that was given the freedom to bang any woman he likes without any blame what soever. Or can you marry more than four wives as a believer as Mohammed did without any blame as still be a model for mankind? Can you kill somebody husband and father and still bang that woman that day and call it marriage and be free from criminal charges agaisnt the state and against humanity? I now know why you are a Quran only believer because it gives you the liberty to interprit it the way you want, since there is no context , no chronology, no intelligent transition from one idea to another in the Quran. Keep on with your Tagiya mission on this site but you should know that the days of Islam as a religion are numbered, Already burn the Quran campaign is on it is a matter of time.
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written by Reed Wilson. , December 03, 2010
Clement-The Islam-Watch Pastor .
"I can see why you don't want hadith to be quoted for you".

Thank you for the news.
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The Truth
written by Ruth , December 07, 2010
This vile, despicable, despot, deceiver, false prophet could have only achieve
his status through violence, torture, fear, terror, distortion of truth, adultery and much much more..... the evil characteristics of the man called prophet.
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Ph.D.
written by Sandy Kramer , May 07, 2011
Qur'an:8:12 "Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: 'I am with you. Give firmness to the Believers. I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.'"

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