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In Islam, Women for Raping, not Loving

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That's why Muslim clerics ban Valentine's Day celebration...

Every year, 14th February is observed across the world as the Valentine’s Day, the day of Love between men and women. But Muslim clerics in Islamic countries denounce the Valentine’s Day celebration as un-Islamic, while radical Muslims engage in violence and vandalism to stop its celebration. Indonesia, the world's fourth most populous country with over 238 million people, has the world's largest Muslim population. This year, the Dumai Chapter of the Indonesian Ulema Council declared the celebration of Valentine’s Days illegal. Council Chairman Rozai Akbhar said, “Observing Valentine’s Day is un-Islamic as it encourages young people to build relationship without marriage.”

love is sinful
Love is sinful in Islam

Indonesia's neighbor Malaysia is another predominantly Islamic country with a population of over 28.25 million. Islamic department of Malaysia this year launched a propaganda campaign, called ‘Mind the Valentine’s Day Trap’. Pamphlets were distributed at universities and public places by government officials, urging rejection of the Valentine’s Day celebration. In Pakistani, a group of eight Islamic parties started a campaign on February 14 to protest the event. “The secretary general of Tahaffuz Namoos-i-Risalat Mahaz (TNRM) party asked to mark the Valentine’s Day as a black day. He worried that observing such event may change the country into a secular state."

Iran and Saudi Arabia have officially banned Valentine’s Day. An Iranian official memo reads: “Printing and producing any products related to Valentine’s Day, including posters, brochures, advertising cards, boxes with the symbols of hearts, half-hearts, red roses and any activities promoting this day are banned.”

A notification in Pakistan says,

“In recent times, celebration of the Valentine Day has spread, particularly among female students. It is a Christian celebration, and it is (manifested) with fully red costumes, clothing and shoes, and exchange of red roses. We hope that you make clear for us the ruling on celebrating this holiday, and what your guidance is to Muslims in matters such as these, may Allah preserve you and guard you. For Muslims, the celebrating the Valentine Day is not permissible because,
1. Firstly, it is an innovated holiday that has no basis in the Sharee'ah.
2. Secondly, it calls to love and passion.
3. Thirdly, it calls for keeping one's heart busy with nonsense matters which contradict the guidance of the righteous predecessors, with them.

On Feb 13, FFI posted the news “Love is Sinful in Islam” and a learned reader commented, “Love is natural and by which only humanity survives. Islam is against nature. Anything against the nature would be wiped out from the earth automatically. It is only by threat and violence Islam has survived for 1400 years.” Another reader, as a reply to his comment, wrote, “Actually no. Love is not required for the survival of the species, only sex is. Even if every child was born as the result of rape, the species would survive (as Mink ably demonstrate btw). And ponder how Islam typifies husband-wife “love”: she must provide sex-on-demand even if at the stove on the back of a camel (Masabih/ibn Majah); and if she declines sex, Angels curse her.”

This statement concisely encapsulates the pure Islamic view regarding relationship between a man and a woman, or between a husband and a wife.

But many young Muslims in Islamic countries want to celebrate the Valentine’s Day a day of love. To this trend, a Muslim zealot laments:

“Many of the Muslims follow the enemies of Allah in many of their customs and ways of behaving, and imitate them in some of their rituals and in celebrating their holidays. The matter has been made even worse by the opening up of mass communications between peoples, whereby the rituals and customs of the kuffaar are now transmitted with the glamorous adornment of sound and image from their countries into the Muslim countries, via satellite TV and the World Wide Web (Internet). Many Muslims have been deceived by their glamour.”

To this a learned reader reacted: “Even the butterfly grow and pierce the cocoon to come out and live a free life in a few days. Muslims are in darkness for 1400 years, in the cocoon of Islam. Thanks to the swords, imams and fundamentalists. They should realize at least now (in the era of internet and email) that they have been brainwashed all these years would go futile. The role of youngsters is very important. They should learn the evils of Islam and teach their parents and brothers and sisters.”

History of the Valentine’s Day

The Festival of Love is a Roman festival, originated more than seventeen centuries ago. According to the Roman culture, it was an expression of “spiritual love”. There were myths associated with this festival of the Romans, which persisted with their Christian heirs. Among the most famous of these myths was the Roman belief that Romulus, the founder of Rome, was suckled one day by a she-wolf, which gave him strength and wisdom. The Romans used to celebrate this event in mid-February each year as a big festival. One of the rituals of this festival was the sacrifice of a dog and a goat. Two strong and muscular youths would daub the blood of the dog and goat onto their bodies. Then they would wash the blood away with milk. After that there would be a great parade, with these two youths at its head, which would go about the streets. The two youths would have pieces of leather with which they would hit everyone who crossed their path. The Roman women would welcome these blows, because they believed that they could prevent or cure infertility.

Regarding how the name of Saint Valentine got associated with this festival, Wikipedia says:

“Saint Valentine is the name of several (14 in all) martyred saints of ancient Rome. The name "Valentine", derived from valens (worthy, strong, powerful), was popular in Late Antiquity. Of the Saint Valentine whose feast is on February 14, nothing is known except his name and that he was buried at the Via Flaminia north of Rome on February 14. It is even uncertain whether the feast of that day celebrates only one saint or more saints of the same name. For this reason this liturgical commemoration was not kept in the Catholic calendar of saints for universal liturgical veneration as revised in 1969. But "Martyr Valentinus the Presbyter and those with him at Rome" remains in the list of saints proposed for veneration by all Catholics.”

According to another version, Saint Valentine is a name which is given to two of the ancient “martyrs” of the Christian Church. It was said that there were two of them, or that there was only one, who died in Rome as the result of the persecution of the Gothic leader Claudius, (c. 296 CE). In 350 CE, a church was built in Rome on the site of the place where he died, to perpetuate his memory. When the Romans embraced Christianity, they continued to celebrate the Feast of Love mentioned above, but they changed it from the older concept of “spiritual love” to another concept known as the “martyrs of love”, represented by Saint Valentine who had advocated love and peace, for which cause he was martyred, according to their claims. It was also called the Feast of Lovers, and Saint Valentine was considered to be the patron saint of lovers.

They believed, supposedly falsely, about this festival that the names of girls of marriageable age would be written on small rolls of paper and placed in a dish on a table. Then the young men who wanted to get married would be called, and each of them would pick a piece of paper. He would put himself at the service of the girl whose name he had drawn for one year, so that they could find out about one another. Then they would get married, or they would repeat the same process again on the day of the festival in the following year. The Christian clergy reacted against this tradition, which they considered to have a corrupting influence on the morals of young men and women. It was abolished in Italy, where it had been well-known, then it was revived in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, when in some western countries there appeared shops which sold small books called “Valentine’s books”, which contained love poems, from which the one who wanted to send a greeting to his sweetheart could choose. They also contained suggestions for writing love letters.

It was also said concerning the origins of this holiday that when the Romans became Christian, after Christianity had become widespread, the Roman emperor Claudius II decreed in the third century CE that soldiers should not get married, because marriage would distract them from the wars they used to fight. This decree was opposed by Saint Valentine, who started to perform marriages for the soldiers in secret. When the emperor found out about that, he threw him in jail and sentenced him to execution. In prison, he (Saint Valentine) fell in love with the jailer’s daughter, but this was a secret because according to Christian laws, priests and monks were forbidden to marry or fall in love.

Love is sinful in Islam

In Islam, Muslims will submit to Allah completely through observation of religious rituals, prayer, fasting, hajj etc. and following Allah's other commands, such as jihad to kill the kafirs. Indulging in other forms of enjoyment, such as love, music and such are totally meaning, indeed sinful and prohibited in Islam. Indulgence in love, music and appreciation of art etc. soften one's heart. Jihad is the cardinal command of Islam for spreading Islam all over the globe. Softening the heart works counter to Islam. So, love is sinful in Islam.

Islam's exhortation to violent jihad while prohibition of other earthly enjoying works as an effective recipe to turn Muslims cruel and violent. So, we saw in April 2007 that a Pakistani boy of 12, trained by Taliban leaders, beheaded a man, suspected to be a spy of the US. The boy shouted “Allahu Akbar”, as he struggled to chop the head of the alleged spy with blunt knife.

What Muslim clerics teach young Muslims in Bangladesh

In Bangladesh, Dr Humayun Azad, a professor from University of Dhaka, was attack cruelly attacked by Islamic radical for writing the book, “Pak Sar Zamin Sad Bad”, which offended Muslims. He disclosed some vital information regarding what is being taught in Bangladeshi madrasas or Jihadi Training Camps. However, some of the lectures, which Dr Azad had collected by clandestine means, delivered to the students of these institutions by the teachers, may be narrated below.

Alhaj Maulana Rahimuddin Rasulpuri says in a lecture:

“Killing a Hindu kafir for the sake of Islam is not a sin. It is not at all a murder. It is the process of cleaning the earth for establishing the rule of Allah. Allah has put merit on such killings and He will reward such a jihadi with place in Jannahtul Ferdause (or best place in Allah’s paradise). He will also get the so many heavenly damsels (Houris) as companions. If you can kill an apostate, you will get a place in Jannahtul Ferdause, houris and, in addition to that, sharaban tahura (heavenly liquor). There you will enjoy sahabat (sex), and sahabat and sahabat. The pleasure of that heavenly sex would be 700 million times more than mundane sex. Shovanallah, there you also get tender boys (gelemans) for doing sodomy and sex with those tender boys in paradise is incomparable to anything on earth. Shovanallah, there is no sin if you do jina (sex or rape) with the malaun (a derogatory term used for Hindus in Bangladesh) women in this world. These women are nothing but war-booty (mai-e-ganimat). Whenever you feel like doing sex in this world, do it with the malaun women. Shovanallah, there is no sin in it and it is the process by which you have to drive them out of Bangladesh.” (p. 14)

Another lesson reads:

“We hate the malauns but not their women. Personally, I like the body-odour of the malaun women much. Whether they are Brahmins or Charals (A low caste), or Kaibartas (another low caste), their body odour is excellent. A highly intense, sweet mundane fragrance comes from their breasts, from the hairs of their armpit and thighs. The extremely sweet fragrance that comes from the sweat of their pubic-hairs makes me mad.”

Another lesson says:

“I tell you to place your right at where your two thighs meet. Tell me what you find there?” Meanwhile the penis got erected. I asked again, “What you find there.” Learners, the tender adolescent boys said, “It is the penis sir.” Then I told them, “It is not the penis. It is a gun. It is an M-16 Gun that Allah has given to you. You have to push this Islamic gun into the wombs of as many malaun women you can. It is the law of jihad. Beside that you have to plunder money, all gold ornaments and other valuables of the malaun households.” The learners cried “Allahu Akbar.”

The lecture continues:

“I get really amazed by observing the power of that Islamic gun. They start pushing the Islamic gun without any pause. They pushed the Islamic gun into a malaun girl in front of her parents. After tasting the daughter, they tasted her mother. Some tasted the mother first and then the daughter, while some tasted the daughter first and then the mother. In one occasion, 10–12 jihadis seized a 10-year-old malaun girl. The mother of the girl came to me in tears and requested me to send the jihadis one by one. She also said that her daughter is very tender and she has not yet reached puberty and begun menstruation. If so many jihadis go to her at a time, her daughter will die. So, I asked the jihadis stand in a queue and go inside the room one by one.”

“Jihadi called Mohammad al Jamiruddin was the first man in the queue. He was a very strong man and had two wives in his house. It seemed that his penis was more than a gun, a cannon. Shortly after he entered the room, I heard a heart-rending scream of the girl. I could understand that the cannon was entering her vagina. Then jihadis started entering and coming out the room one by one. No jihadi took much time and I could understand that, they were extremely excited and hence could finish the job quickly. Then onwards, I did not hear any scream of the girl. The girl was really nice and her parents were sitting at my feet and shedding tears.”

One day, another jihadi, named Mohammad Hafijuddin, came to me with a unique proposal. He asked, “Sir, is it true that there is no sin in raping malaun women?” I said, “yes”. Then he said that, a khayes (intense desire) has come to his mind. When I enquired about the khayes, he said, “I want to rape four malaun women at a time.” A further enquiry revealed that he came to me after keeping four Hindu women, a mother, two daughters and one daughter-in-law, as captives under lock and key. I also told him that he must fulfill his khayes and get satisfied and that would be better for his physical and mental health. “After receiving my consent, he returned and took two hours to complete the job. It appeared to me that, he did not take much time to rape four women."

“Here we teach jihad. Those who have correct knowledge of jihad, are best Muslims. We teach how to stab one with a knife, how to make bombs and grenades, how to operate pistols and guns and how to kill one by cutting his veins. Jihad is not possible without this knowledge. We teach holy-terror, divine-terror and terror for entering Allah’s paradise.” (p. 4)

Above teachings make it evident that Islam wants to turn every Muslim into a cruel jihadi. So, everything that makes the mind of a human being soft, or that arouses humane qualities -- like kindness, compassion, sympathy and altruism in a man -- is banned in Islam. Love is also a thing that arouses humane qualities in a man and hence love is un-Islamic and to be avoided by the Muslims. So, in Islam, women are to be raped, not loved. The All-Knowing and Almighty Allah has also revealed his divine injunctions so that a Muslim can rape any woman he likes, his close kin, any kafir woman and even his wife.

Allah’s views on man-woman relationship in the Koran

Allah says,

“And marry not those women whom your fathers married, except what hath already happened (of that nature) in the past. Lo! it was ever lewdness and abomination, and an evil way. Forbidden unto you are your mothers, and your daughters, and your sisters, and your father's sisters, and your mother's sisters, and your brother's daughters and your sister's daughters, and your foster-mothers, and your foster-sisters, and your mothers-in-law, and your step-daughters who are under your protection (born) of your women unto whom ye have gone in - but if ye have not gone in unto them, then it is no sin for you (to marry their daughters) - and the wives of your sons who (spring) from your own loins. And (it is forbidden unto you) that ye should have two sisters together, except what hath already happened (of that nature) in the past. Lo! Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.” (4: 22-23)

These verses make it evident that, barring a few very close relations, Muslims are permitted to marry any woman they like. If you can marry a woman, you can rape her as well. So, raping close kin is prevalent in Muslim society. But the victims are to remain mum and tolerate all these atrocities silently, because to establish her allegation, according to Shariah law, she has to produce four male witnesses (which is next to impossible). If she fails, she runs the risk of convicted of committing an adultery that calls for a punishment like stoning to death. So, such laws of Allah turn every Muslim household into a mini whorehouse, where a father-in-law rapes his daughter-in-law, an uncle rapes his niece and so on. In Iran, a father killed his 7-year-old daughter by slitting her throat, because he suspected that his daughter was raped by her uncle.

The Koranic verse -- “Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate) so go to your tilth as ye will, and send (good deeds) before you for your souls, and fear Allah, and know that ye will (one day) meet Him. Give glad tidings to believers, (O Muhammad)” (2: 223) -- enables a Muslim to rape his wife, or to have sexual intercourse without her consent. Raping of a wife has been elaborately discussed in an article Raping A Wife: Can a Husband force Intimacy on His Wife?in FFI. In the said article, the author writes, “The woman does not have the right to refuse her husband, rather she must respond to his request every time he calls her, so long as that will not harm her or keep her from doing an obligatory duty.

Al-Bukhaari (3237) and Muslim (1436) narrated that Abu Hurayrah said:

The Messenger of Allaah said: “If a man calls his wife to his bed and she refuses, and he spends the night angry with her, the angels curse her until morning.” If she refuses with no excuse, she is disobeying and is being defiant (nushooz), and he is no longer obliged to spend on her and clothe her. The husband should admonish her and remind her of the punishment of Allah, and forsake her in her bed. He also has the right to beat her. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.” (4:34)

So, a reader has commented, “How Islam typifies husband-wife “love”: she must provide sex-on-demand even if at the stove on the back of a camel and if she declines sex Angels curse her.” In one occasion, a beautiful lady came to the Prophet to meet at his mosque in Medina. But her presence aroused intense sexual passion in the Prophet. He immediately ran to his house, which was adjacent to the mosque, and asked Jainab, the divorced wife of his adopted son Zeid) to satiate his passion. At that moment, she was busy with tanning a sheep’s skin. But she had no alternative but to offer her body to be raped by the Prophet.

Furthermore, raping kafir women is a sacred duty for every Muslim; because it is a part of jihad, which makes Allah happy. On April 15, 2003, the Muslim party workers of Communist Party of India (Marxist) or CPI (M) dragged bus load of Hindu women returning from marriage festival to Dhantala Madrassha, in the district of Nadia, West Bengal, and gang raped them. The gangsters robbed them of all gold ornaments and other valuables. They killed the driver of the bus and forced the male passengers on to the roof of the vehicle. They inflicted similar indignities on the passengers of the next bus. All this went on for hours as the captive men and women screamed for help within an earshot of the police station. Yet police (of the extraordinarily secular government of West Bengal) heard nothing, saw nothing, and rebuffed attempts at lodging an FIR. Next morning police visited the spot, accompanied by the criminals concerned, and the victims were duly frightened into silence. This Muslims have done this to please Allah and purify the new madrasa, which was to be opened within a few days.


To conclude, Muslims are entitled to marry their closest kin and have sex-on-demand, which amounts to statutory rape, while raping the kafir women is a sacred act of Jihad. Also after entering Allah’s paradise, they will each have 72 heavenly damsels, called houris, to satiate their last. So, in Islam, women are not to be loved, but to be raped, used for satisfying men's lust.

Comments (54)Add Comment
written by Reed Wilson. , March 03, 2011
"In Pakistani, a group of eight Islamic parties started a campaign on February 14 to protest the event. “The secretary general of Tahaffuz Namoos-i-Risalat Mahaz (TNRM) party asked to mark the Valentine’s Day as a black day".

What event? They should declare the entire year as Black Year once for all. What elsecan they declare?
Islam favours Inbreeding
written by The Gerat Buana , March 04, 2011
Islam encourages Inbreeding which in turn is responsible for lower IQs and genetic disorders. Polygamy and the fact that adoption is also forbidden in islam also contributes to a lesser genetical diversity. Moreover, islamic gender segregation makes it impossible that men and women learn from each other. The result is very obvious: An incrreasing number with many, many stupid muslims, many of the handicapped and the majority without education and skills and unable to meet the demands of the global labour market. Many arab employers knwo very well why they prefer foreigners over arabs.
written by vbv , March 04, 2011
The aim of muslims is to islamise the whole world. What would happen then, when there are no more kaffir women to rape and sodomise? No problem,at all. They have momin women to rape. After all a raped momin women has to prove the crime only if she is able to produce"four male witnesses" to the event . Which momin will come to testify against anther momin? It is a tall order. So muslim women get raped and sodomised and suffer it silently ,or else face 100/200 lashes in public or just get stoned to death . Wow, what a cult! The muslim men have a cult that protects them hatever they do except when they kill/rob/cheat a fellow momin ,or , ofcourse they commit blasphemy,when the muslim mob tears him from limbto limb in the most painful death process. Wow! Allah is truly great with such gifts for his zombies!
@Reed Wilson
written by logic , March 04, 2011
No comments about Lara Logan today ........??? feeling a bit human today are you ??
Islam is indeed the Arabic cult of the Devil!
written by Katharina Sri (ex Noor Aza) , March 04, 2011
And then this evil and savage Arabic cult, Islam, as created by by the Arabic Pedophile rapist, robber, slave-owner (including sexual slaves such as young Jewish captive girls), and mass murderer of the Jews, Mohammed, in order to construct pure Arabian kingdom and legitimize his and his tribe’s evil Arabic socio-cultural practices,wants to enslave us all! And that And then that suspected Islamic Trojan horse and Muslim Brotherhood agent, Hussein Obama dares to ask us to bow on our knees to this evil Arabic cult and its god, the Devil? Maybe Hussein too, secretly, is filled with the beastly lust as typical of Muslim savages' dream of of acquiring as many virgin girls and boys in their Satanic lust-filled 'paradise' later on! See: "The Islamic paradise is filled with full-breasted, lustrous-eyed virgins who regenerate as virgins after each sex act. Those Muslims, who gain access into Allah's paradise, can sexually enjoy those virgins for all eternity....Additionally, sodomy with young boys (Surat 52:24, 56:17, and 76:19), who are described in much the same language used for describing the virgins, adds to the sensuality of the Muslim paradise...." - at http://www.islam-watch.org/Lar...-9-111.htm

9/11 is Enactment of Quran 9:111
by Reason
01 Jun, 2008

Baal worship
written by dead or alive , March 04, 2011
Baal means... master of the house. Esther 1;22,that every man should bear rule in his own house....
The Injustice of Islam
written by Walter Sieruk , March 04, 2011
In Islamic countries the rapist is not punished, but the women who was raped. Muslims seem somehow to think this injustice is a good thing. Moreover, on the subject of "honor killing" which is practiceby some Muslims. It's outrageous and absurd to punish the women who was raped and not the rapist. Furthermore, it is written in the Bible. "Acquitting the guilty and condemming the innocent- the Lord detests them both." Proverbs 17:15. [NIV]
Festival Celebration
written by Horizon , March 04, 2011
Two festivals n Islam. One over the self- inflicted torture of abstaining from eating/drinking for a month and other over the blood shed of animals.
Hey dead or alive, read the whole Bible - in context!
written by Katharina Sri (ex Noor Aza) , March 04, 2011
Hey dead or alive, read the whole Bible - in context to each other, and intelligently and rationally like civilized beings! Why don't you read the new
covenant by our loving Christian God in the New Testament at Galatians 3:28 : There is no longer Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male and female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Amen to that!
Hey Katharina Sri
written by dead or alive , March 04, 2011
In what context or world view? The last thing in the world i would be thinking about is....For you are all one in Christ Jesus,as i am tied to a board and watch the man sharpen an ax.
No rape in Islam
written by Abu Taleb , March 04, 2011
There is no rape in Islam, because Quran not only doesn't mention about it at all, but also supports rape toward the women owned by the muslims. 4:34 tells to beat the women based only from suspicious. 2:223 tells the muslims to treat the women any way the muslims like, if the women refuse, then the muslims can beat the women. That is the same as a rape, so Quran says and tells to rape women if necessary.

The only issue regarding having sex with women is only whether the women are halal or not. If halal, then the muslims can do whatever they want to their women.

Isn't Islam the true religion for rapists, sadists, sex maniacs, pedophiles etc?
hey abu taleb, so Mohammed who raped 9 year old Aisha is not a rapist?
written by Katharina Sri (ex Noor Aza) , March 04, 2011
hey abu taleb, so the Arabic savage creator of Islam, Mohammed, who raped his child-bride 9 year old Aisha is not rape to you - and the rape of Jewish sex-slaves including his forced Jewish bride Saffiya (and other Jewish girls and boys including by his Arabic tribe), after beheading their husbands, brothers and fathers are not rape to you?!
Hey dead or alive - threatening me with violence do you?!
written by Katharina Sri (ex Noor Aza) , March 04, 2011
hey dead or alive, you're one sick evil guy - I suspect you're a typical Muslim fanatic, since you're threatening me, especially a woman who speaks up against Islam! You're violent like your beloved savage Arabic Mohammed there!
Hey Katharina Sri
written by dead or alive , March 04, 2011
How did i threaten you with violence? Was it something i said?
What's love got to do with it ….
written by fineliving56 , March 04, 2011
Tina Turner said the truth ….she must have known about love in Islamic marriages ..….they are all loveless arranged marriages …the man with most money gets the most beautiful girl …and I do mean a girl .
My grandmother got married at 11 years old and he was 36 …at her wedding knight my grandfather told his terrified little bride …you will obey me and if you do not , you see this wooden thick stick I will brake it on your back if you disobeyed me …she told me that story explaining to me why she never loved her husband after he attired these abusive words . Stories like this still happens even now in 21 century all over the Islamic countries .
My other grandmother was Turkish muslim 14 years who was prohibited from seeing her husband ,who is 40 , before the wedding knight .
An ante of mine , was the most beautiful 9 year who slept in her mother in-law's bed until she had a hint of womanhood than she was transferred to her filthy rich husband bed [already married to 2 women ] …


I do not see it
Perfumed Gardens!!
written by Reed Wilson. , March 05, 2011
fineliving. You have opened eyes in peculiar circumstances and you speak of the reaction. It is evident from your above post. It is not bad.
You are asking “DO YOU SEE THE LOVE ….QURAN LOVERS?????
I will tell you. What is your definition of love. I mean, what is your concept of love? Will you please tell me?

Your grandfather was a knight. Are you a British?
written by duh_swami , March 05, 2011
Love does not need to be defined, it needs to be experienced...You will not be encouraged to experience it if you live in Quran...
Reed what are you talking about
written by fineliving56 , March 05, 2011
Why do you say random words that do not makes sense ….I opened my eyes in a situation …called the hateful islamic rules that target women to control them ,use there young bodies , steel their money I my wrong in that ?…history is a witness …and I am not talking about haddeth that you hate …history of real every day people …my grandmother and her grandmother and so on .
I was talking about love in marriage …love in arranged marriages …there is no love in them because ..there is no choosing involved …women has a week to see a man behind her cover with a chaperon …her family say '' do not worry you will get to know him after the marriage " . where is the love to develop over time and get married after the love flourishs ....what a stupid statement ….I knew a muslim man and[ he is doctor for haven sake ] who mail ordered a wife from his muslim country …the marriage lasted a mouth the man shipped her back with all the money she asked for just to finish with hall thing , for he could not love her . Reed do not say anything you do not know anything about …no I am not a british ..but I which I was …my being born a muslim is the most hated thing to me .
written by Reed Wilson. , March 05, 2011
fineliving. I dont know much about you and know only what you tell me. I wish you didnt tell any thing personal.

My sympathies.
Hey dead or alive - now denying your violent threat do you?
written by Katharina Sri (ex Noor Aza) , March 05, 2011
hey dead or alive, you talk about a man sharpening an ax and that's not a threat?! Liar - I really suspect you're a coward Muslim fanatic!
Hey Katharina Sri
written by dead or alive , March 05, 2011
Battle ax is a word use to describe an old woman with no manners and a big mouth. By the way, in what context should i read the Bible?
To Reed Wilson
written by Archpagan , March 05, 2011
Reed, fineliving56 has been giving first hand account of her experience as a Muslim woman. That is the social norm and cultural values held in esteem by Muslim society. We in India very often hear that Muslim father going for negotiating his son's marriage comes back with the prospective daughter -in- law as his own bride. I believe you have not done it. But you can not be sure that your son/grandson will not do that.
Valentine's Day in Malaysian Department of Muslim Affairs' mind.
written by Brown Superman , March 06, 2011
What is in the mind of the Department for morons?

1) Valentine's Day is a Christian Religious Celebration. Therefore, Muslims excited about the celebration will unofficially renounce the (evil) Islamic faith and become christians.

2) Giving of Roses, chocolates and other gifts (whether to spouse, girlfriend/boyfriend, loved ones, etc) will surely lead to premarital/illicit sex. Therefore, February 14th should not be celebrated.

3) Muslims do not have an equivalent date in the Islamic Calenday. Therefore, such celebration should be unislamic in form and substance.

4) There were extremists (Islam fanatics) who were moving in groups going around on that evening harassing couples and even arresting them (with or without authority) so that the get , on earth, a fee of RM50 (about US15) for each arrest..... and probably in heaven 72 big bossomed houris (eternal virgins) and 28 young boys of pearl quality for you know what!

The reality is: 95% of incests are committed by the Muslims.
Statutory rapes (under age 15), rapes, other sexual assaults are mostly committed by them.
Currently, a former Deputy Prime Minister .... a muslim... is being charged for Sodomy (although it may be a political move). There are other muslim ministers who were let off (even before being hooked) sex crimes like rape.... because they are members of the ruling party.

Almost all baby-dumpings (new borns) in garbage bins, toilets, rivers, bas stops, door-steps of mosques and unknown homes, etc are done by muslims.

Looks like the kissing right up to f**king can be done by muslims (It's alright) on all 364 days of the year but not February 14th.
written by Reed Wilson. , March 06, 2011
Archpagan. You write “Reed, fineliving56 has been giving first hand account of her experience as a Muslim woman”.

Yes of course. But ‘that is Not the social norm and cultural values held in esteem by Muslim society'.

You write “We in India very often hear that Muslim father going for negotiating his son's marriage comes back with the prospective daughter -in- law as his own bride”.

Again it is first hand account Archpagan. How often? I think he goes to negotiate his own marriage.

India, as you know, is a land of variety of cultures. Beauty in Diversity (I don’t exactly remember Pt. Nehrus’s quote). Even Brahmanism of Kolkata is not same as of Karnataka or Tamil Nadu. Ravan is both hero and villain depending on location. Same thing can be preferred and disliked depending on location.

Suppose you go to select a bevy for your son. The prospective girl has crush on you despite the fact that you already have a wife at home and you also like to marry her despite all possible repercussions, it changes the situation.

The marriage commences with mutual agreement. It is not buying mangoes that you may like mango irrespective of if mango also likes you.

I am not sure if they are doing but I am sure what they do is not essentially Islam. Muslims of Bengal are rice eating people. Islam does not ask them to eat rice. I don’t know if Muhammad of Quran did ever see rice.

Parents negotiating seem interesting. It is a facility. My grandsons would do it themselves , learning from Indian experience.
written by Reed Wilson. , March 06, 2011
Brown Superman. You know everything and can say anything you like, without supporting evidence.

You are very brave man.
written by fineliving56 , March 06, 2011
OR I AM SERIOUSLY GOING TO KNOW YOU ARE SENILE OR YOU HAVE DISEASED BRIAN ….I wont to know if you ever visited a muslim society and mingled with muslim families ….kindly answer me ….then I will show how wearing you are !!!!!!!!!!!!!
written by fineliving56 , March 06, 2011
I meant …wrong you are …mistake
Reed My last post is directed to you
written by fineliving56 , March 06, 2011
answer my Question …..
Reed ….tell me what is the norm for marriages from your vast knowledge of muslim…..
written by fineliving56 , March 06, 2011
society…..can you answer this question …...
@Reed Wilson
written by Brown Superman , March 06, 2011
Be in Malaysia and you would see the truth yourself..... what more evidence do you need?

Islam is a disgrace, no? Maybe not to a buffalo-hide-thick-skinned one.
True face of Islam
written by lw1 , March 06, 2011
In Britain, REPORTED cases of incidents connected with 'honour' (including murder) averages 1 per month. There are lots more unreported cases where victims or witnesses are too scared to give evidence.
Muslims advertised in London Underground that Mohammad was the first person to give equal rights to women.

To Reed Wilson
written by Archpagan , March 06, 2011
'Suppose you go to select a bevy for your son. The prospective girl has crush on you despite the fact that you already have a wife at home and you also like to marry her despite all possible repercussions, it changes the situation.'

Reed, in such a most unlikely event, I shall be ostracized by my society. But, in Muslim society it will be accepted as normal. Rather, they would be inviting me to join their brotherhood. In a recent incident, a Muslim housewife was raped by her own father-in-law. The village elders' considered opinion was that the woman can longer live with her husband, because she has become his (husband's) mother. Such is the accepted social norm of Muslims.

O yes, Ravana is hero in a particular political circle only.
Islamic Love?
written by Brown Superman , March 06, 2011
Mo's 1st wife ..... as old as his mother....... maternal love.

Mo's 2nd wife ..... as young as a grand-daughter..... love for a grand-child

Another wife...... his daughter-in-law........ love for his child

Another wife .... war booty ......... love for a pretty prisoner

The gist is ..... Mo' f**ked them all..... he would f**k his mother, daughter, grand-daughter and sister (another man's wife). That must be the Islamic love..... ala Allah. Allah is Mo' and Mo is Allah.

Not to mention the camels, goats, sheeps and probably stray pigs too (cannot eat the meat but okay to shoot in his maniac gel.)
It's halal
written by duh_swami , March 07, 2011

Not to mention the camels, goats, sheeps and probably stray pigs too (cannot eat the meat but okay to shoot in his maniac gel.)

A few years ago I read about a Nigerian Muslim man who was having sex with a chicken, and got caught at it by his wife who told everyone in the village...They all laughed at him , because goats are better, so he killed himself...
I always wondered how you have sex with a chicken, especially if the chicken resists...Is it possible to rape a chicken?
I don't know, but it was a serious article...
Muslim man and chicken love
written by fineliving56 , March 07, 2011
Well …..you know the old saying ….if it's fits…… lol
Islam the Religion of Misogyny
written by Walter Sieruk , March 07, 2011
"The shocking reality is that most Muslim men, including those educated in the West, have no objection to... the degration of women in their countries. Across the Muslim world, even in moderate Islamic countries, women's rights are almost nonexistent... Women in Islam are considered unclean, deemed inferior even to dirt." [From the book THEY MUST BE STOPPED by Brigtte Gabriel p.171,172.]
written by Reed Wilson. , March 07, 2011
Archpagan. you write "Reed, in such a most unlikely event, I shall be ostracized by my society".

Under which law Archpagan. I can imagine your circumstances. In British/American society, they appreciate. Marriage is always considered better than extramarital practices. Anyway, culture is sacred.

You mention "In a recent incident, a Muslim housewife was raped by her own father-in-law".

Where? Again in your society? Rape is rape, whether it is committed by her own father-in- law or by somebody else's father- in-law. It can happen to both men and women of any age. He is not a muslim nor his society.

Thank you Archpagan for all that.
True face of Islam
written by lw1 , March 07, 2011
Yahoo News.Maktoob, 7/3/11. Filipina maid in Dubai pleads for release from employer.
A Filipina woman in UAE is pleading for help to be freed from her abusive employer, who she claims has kept her in virtual captivity, Dubai based 7 DAYS newspaper reported. The paper said it received a distress call from the 44 year old housemaid who claimed she had not been let out of her employer's villa in a posh Dubai neighbourhood since she arrived in the city in 2008.
There are ffrequent reports of maid abuse in Middle Eastern countries.
Human rights groups say housemaids often face slavery like conditions and sex abuse.
Islam is the 'religion' of Satan.
Islamorape...Where's Allah when you need him?
written by duh_swami , March 07, 2011
He is not a muslim nor his society.

About two years ago I read a news article about a housekeeping slave woman who ran away from her master...She was arrested, then raped by 46 men including the policeman who arrested her...Where did this happen, New York?, Chicago? San Francisco?...No it happened in Mecca...Right under Allah's nose and he never said anything or came to the woman's rescue...Allah tolerates rape right in the heart of his home town...If Allah tolerates rape at home, it is natural for Muslims to tolerate it in their homes, or even outside their homes...
To Reed Wilson
written by Archpagan , March 07, 2011
Rape of daughter-in-law by father-in-law can happen in any society. I am only drawing attention to the reaction of Muslim elders in the cited case.

'He is not a Muslim nor his society'. This is escapism par excellence, Reed.
written by Reed Wilson. , March 08, 2011
Archpagan. "I am only drawing attention to the reaction of Muslim elders in the cited case".

But my uninvited attention reached to the romantic father in law!! It was an interesting case. You reform your society to appreciate romance and matters of hearts.
written by Reed Wilson. , March 08, 2011
duh-dwami. Yes it happened two years ago. Now they are not doing that any more:)

God is not restricted to Makkah. He is everywhere. Knows everything we do. And the people are same everywhere.

The offender will definitely be punished. Sarah Balabagan, a Muslim Filipino maid, killed her boss in UAE and she was awarded death penalty. The son of the boss forgave her thus saving her life.

The offenders of all the crimes will be punished and you will see that they are punished.

written by duh_swami , March 08, 2011
Yes it happened two years ago. Now they are not doing that any more:)

How do you know that? You read Mecca police reports every day? Do you live in Mecca and know what is going on in your community?...If it happened once, it also happened in the past, and will happen again in the future...None of those 46 men are in jail...They are running around loose, waiting for a good opportunity to rape again, and Allah is not going to stop them...

The offender will definitely be punished.

The offender(s) will be punished according to Sharia law...I guess you are ok with that...I thought you opposed sharia...
written by Reed Wilson. , March 08, 2011
duh-swami "The offender(s) will be punished according to Sharia law...I guess you are ok with that...I thought you opposed sharia...".

God will punish them. Sharia law is no law. They could punish them as you say.

You read Mecca police reports every day?

If Makkah has a police it may not be obliged to give daily report.

"Do you live in Mecca and know what is going on in your community?

No I am not allowed to enter in Mecca. There are other ways to know the community without risking life. Our Clement thinks that I get stipend from Saudi Govt. Imagine!!!
True face of Islam
written by lw1 , March 08, 2011
8/3/11 London police released figures connected with 'honour' today. REPORTED figures for London was over 250 in the year 2010, so that is average of more than 20 every month and this only in London.
Until now I have been reporting the last figures I could find, which was an average of 1 REPORTED cases in the whole of UK. The actual figures are much worse. Political correctness in recent years has gagged many people from speaking the truth. Fortunately awrareness of how evil Islam is, is rising and gradually people are speaking up. Cameron made a brave statement, 'We need to be a lot less tolerant to Islamic extremists'. An east London imam, Dr Usama Hasan made a statement in support of evolution and the right of women not to cover their hair. He received death threats and has retracted his statements.

Sarah Balabagan -Wikipaedia
written by lw1 , March 08, 2011
In 1995 Sarah Balabagan was accused of killing her employer, Almas Mohammed al-Baloushi. A court ruled that she was guilty of manslaughter as well as victimof rape. She was sentenced to 7 years prison as well as payment of $40000 blood money, and awarded $27000 as compensation for rape. The prosecution appealed, calling for death penalty. NOW the court found no evidence of rape, and sentenced her to death by firing squad.
Reportedly it was only after President of UAE Sheikh Zayed intervened that victim's family agreed to drop the demand for execution in exchange for blood money.
She has left Islam and is now a Christian.
Islam the Miosgynist Religion
written by Walter sieruk , March 08, 2011
"Every society that is still in the rigid grip of Islam oppresses women and also lags behind in development...Societies that respect the rights of women and their freedoms are wealithy and peaceful." [From the book INFIDEL by Ayaan Hirsi Ali p. 296]
Reed Wilson
written by Muhammad Jaahil , March 10, 2011
ریڈ ولسوں کافی بےشرم اور حرامی سوار کا اولاد ہے
written by Reed Wilson. , March 15, 2011
Dr. Radhasyam Brahmachari. You write "In Islam, Women for Raping, not Loving". In other religions you find women are for loving and not for raping.

But you can not love the women other religions nor you can rape them.
glories of islam
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these glories of Islam are worth framing into a curriculum which all non Muslims shall study from nursery to high school . what congress party of india. this will get you more muslim votes!
and make the innocent kafirs defend their freedom.
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