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Islamic Barbarism: Gays Burned Alive in Iraq

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See the video in this link: Three gays socked in petrol and thrown into a burning inferno: http://zandiq.com/video/0000000047.shtml

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Soe more depravity in the name of Allah...
written by duh_swami , April 08, 2011
And people wonder why I call Islam evil...
why killing is muslim`s hobby part-1
written by Ar.khan , April 08, 2011
muslim foundation is based on killing. please have a short visit of the following;

The Prophet was a king who established his Kingdome under a fake justification of prophethood. He continously destroyed, tortured, murdered, plundered, and enslaved people including thousands of women and children, till they accepted him as a ruler and a prophet.
What did he achieve and what happened to his Kingdome.
1.After the assassination of the people of Khaybar a woman, Zaynab, whose family had been wiped out by Muhammad, put poison into a lamb and fed it to him. Muhammad ingested some of the poisoned lamb and began to feel it’s effects. He died three years later as a result of the poisoning[1].
2.As soon as he died; the majority of Arabs turned back on their feet and they rejected Islam. Once again there were bloody wars and thousands of apostates were killed.
3. He could not nominate someone as a ruler for his kingdom due to the following reasons;
There were three major groups who were trying to become his successors.
a. The first group believed that we are the family of prophet and only we have the right to be his successors. Ali (prophet`s cousin and son in law) and Abbass (uncle) were leading this group. The prophet has tried to hand over his kingdom to them but he realized that other two groups will immediately reject his decision. The tension between these groups at the time of his death can be realized by reading Ibne-Ishaq, Ibne-Hisham, Tabari, sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim[2].
b. The second group was of those people who have supported him to become the conqueror of Arabs, they are famous commanders, fighters, rich and former ambassadors. Among them are Abubakr, Umar, Usman, Aysha, Abdurrahman and Abu-safyan. This group succeeded[3] and ruled the Arab nation for about thirty-five years till the first group (Ali and his supporters) killed them one by one until they killed Usman.
c. The third group belonged to Ansari, the residents of Medina, who have provided shelter to prophet and his fellows. They had a right to sue for Succession, as the prophet had promised them; let my tribe (Quraish) to take plenty of booty and I shell go with you, in other words, I will keep Medina as a capital city for Arabs and i will not stay in Mecca[4]. However, the Quraish got both, the wealth and government, and the Ansaries tried their best[5] but when they realized that they are deprived of their rights then their leader, Sad bin Ubada, migrated from Medina forever and never came back (ibne-Ishaq, Tabari).
4. Only six months later after his (prophet) death; the second caliph, Umar, killed his daughter, Fatima while she was pregnant[6].
why killing is muslim`s hobby part-2
written by Ar.khan , April 08, 2011
5. His (prophet) first successor Abu-bakr was murdered by poisoned food too. Along with some other companions Harith bin Kaladah, and Attab bin Usaid he had eaten some food which was poisoned, the others died on the same day as Abu Bakr.
6. His second successor Umar was killed by Ali and his friends when he was leading a prayer in the mosque.
According to Ibne-Ishaq; Ubaidullah (the son of Umar) killed two of the friends of Ali in revenge of Umar, and when Ali tried to stop him from further killing, he said to Ali, why I should not kill you.
7. His third successor Usman was killed by three thousands supporters of Ali. At this time Ali did not hide himself and he openly sheltered the killers of Usman. All of the commanders of his army were those who are well-known for the assassination of Usman. The wife of the murdered Usman was abused.
8. His wife Aisha marched against his fourth successor Ali; three thousands were killed from her side. And when she lost, she was abused, the men of Ali`s army entered into her tent and removed her veil.
9. Two of his successors (Ali and Muavia) mobilized the entire Muslim nation against each other and about one hundred ten thousands Muslims were killed in this fight.
10. His fourth successor Ali was killed by a Muslim group, who believed that Ali is a non-Muslim.
11. His grandson Hassan was killed by his wife, who was encouraged by his fifth successor Muavia for killing her husband.
12. His last grandson Husain was killed by his sixth successor Yazid. He was beheaded and even today his head is in Egypt while his body is in Iraq. The women of the murdered were abused and were forced to walk without veils, from Iraq to Syria.

therefore, Muslim groups are carrying out jihads to subdue each other. Since the their Prophet’s time, until today, more Muslims have killed Muslims using jihad as pretence, compared to the number of non-Muslims who have killed Muslims. Even though, the head of the muhammad’s grandson Husain is in Egypt while his body is in Iraq

where is the famous mercy SUPPOSEDLY MUSLIMS HAS FOR THE WEAK
written by fineliving56 , April 09, 2011
watching this video disgust me , for I used to say the same words …ALLAH AKBAR IN EVERY START OF MY PREYER .

I wish I could erase all memories of when I was a Muslim .
No such luck ….
oh f...this is too horrifying
written by HARKAT UL JIHAAD EI KAFIROON , April 09, 2011

oh f....this is too horrifying.MY MIND WENT BLANK.
cry of muhammad
written by Anil Bali , April 09, 2011
cry of muhammad is to finish islam so he can come out of fire of hell.. man who made gun shall burn in hell till ppl kill echothr usin guns.... man u made nuke bomb shall burn in hell till ppl use or threaten to use nuke.... man who made country shall burn in hell till ppl hate eachothr coz of borders between thm.... nd man who made religion shall burn in hell till ppl worship religious god made by him.... ali jinnah is in hell nd will burn thr till ur pakistan exist.... muhammad is in hell nd will burn in hell till islamic hatred exist..... if u care for muhammad give up islam.... if u care for ali jinnah wipe out border between ind pak...
No words to describe.
written by Healer_999 , April 09, 2011

Any thing Islam disagrees with, extreme violence is inevitable in the world of Islamic intolerance.
written by dead or alive , April 09, 2011
When these executioners take their hoods off,they walk among humanity with no conscience.Ghouls they are.
written by neoritz , April 09, 2011
Oh, disgusting, disgusting....
i have strong stomach ,but i couldent finish watching this
written by michael , April 09, 2011
very few things bring me to tears ,but this did
the horror

burning a man alive because he loved another

Mohammad is burning in hell for this
they are not men
written by michael , April 09, 2011
these executioners are not men anymore, they are pure evil
Crying does not help …there is not enough tears in the world
written by fineliving56 , April 09, 2011
to be shed in a reaction to what thses muslim are committing ..burning alive, beatings,raping, killing, bombings, etc.. etc.. etc..etc..etc .

I cried helplessly when first I sow the video , the same happened when I sow the stoning of a poor woman in Afghanistan few month ago.

I do not know what to do with my anger and sadness.

Quran( spit )
Quran condemns gays but promises boys to gays in heaven .
written by fineliving56 , April 09, 2011
in Jannat al naeem …Quran AL TOR 52/24….AL INSAN 76/19 .

I guess every thing is halal in janat al naeem even molesting boy with pearly back side …KALLOLLO
no words to desribe
written by TT , April 09, 2011
I leave very close to a mosque. Two hours after viewing this video the prayer call "**************" came from the mosque. Fear ran in my body again. I think every time I hear these words, I will remember this for few days. Capital punishment is there in many countries for serious offenses, but I believe this is not done in front of public and camera. This is absolute cruelty.
This video seems fake
written by Anonimous , April 09, 2011
as far as i could understand, this video is fake. these three boys thrown into ditch didn,t even cry when they are doused with petrol and set on fire . how can a human while being burnt doesn't cry out of pain ??
there is not also any human like movement and identification of these three men. THEY SEEM MORE LIKE DUMMY EFFIGIES
Hope it is fake..
written by dead or alive , April 09, 2011
Anonimous,I hope it did not happen.
to Reed on Islamic punishment for homosexuals.
written by Editor, M. A. Khan , April 09, 2011
Reed, your dishonesty knows no bounds. That's OK; For Allah/Muhammad's sake, anything is acceptable, indeed recommended. For readers, here are the verses on punishment for homosexuality:
1) for men, "If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and amend, Leave them alone" (4:16);

2) for women, "If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, Take the evidence of four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or Allah ordain for them some (other) way." (4:15).

One may also take note of the difference in punishment for men and women homos.
Don'T Believe all that you see and half of what you hear!!
written by Dee Brown , April 09, 2011
This video looks s fake!! Sorry..And just what do people think God said to do to Homosexuals in the bible?? I'll tell you...from the Bible itself:

Just what is it that we do not get about the sin of Homosexuality?

1. The same is stated further in the chapter: “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.” (Leviticus 20:13)

2. Romans
Paul writes here about the continued rejection of God’s will: “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.” (Romans 1:26-28)

Now what about this do people not understand. You talk about how bad Islam is, you should re-look at your own book and think twice about God's true Wisdom...not mans ideas of a good relationship with another man(Women included).
Don't speak about what you don't know.
written by Kaafir , April 09, 2011
The Bible was written as an example and a warning. All that was written was "replaced" by one commandment..To love one another..Jesus gave that command at John 13:34 We are living in the 21st century now and not as cavemen like islam.
I like to thank the Editor for the last post disappearance .
written by fineliving56 , April 09, 2011
I really was disgusted by of what it said , defending the burning as deserved for being gay , that guy really just past a decent limit .

This is the second time that poster defended the criminals against the abused like the rape of the reporter in Egypt to serve his agenda of defending his partner in crime QURAN ...he does not care about anything else ….he is heartless.

I really think that HE SOULD BE BANNED FROM IW .
Fake or true
written by Editor, M. A. Khan , April 10, 2011
The man on the left clearly moves his leg once. If the video is true, they must have been gagged; so they fail to cry in pain while getting burned.

Nonetheless, Iran regularly hangs the homosexuals. It's not impossible that Mujahideens at next door won't do the same.
Do no compare texts, but compare interpretations. Are they symbolic or literally, concerning violent passages?
written by Demsci , April 10, 2011
OK, it could be a fake, then again it could be real. And many times "Allahu Akbar" WAS shouted.

IMO your comparison of Quran-Hadith-Sira with Bible is obsolete and irrelevant. Relevant is how Muslims and Christians interpret their respective holy books. And can there ever be a joint Muslim-Christian statement that they demonstrably interpret their holy books in the same symbolic, descriptive, and not prescriptive way? At least concerning the criticized violent verses in the 2 holy texts? We should all concentrate on the respective way of interpreting by Muslims and Christians.

Those who interpret holy texts symbolic, only descriptive and not prescriptive when these texts are deplorable violent, those should declare so and unite. And irrevocably against all those who maintain, that their holy texts is wholly literally God's word, that is valid and prescriptive for all times and all humans.
'Sex, lies and video tapes'
written by Duh_swami , April 10, 2011
If the video is fake, who was it faked by, and for what purpose? Was this a group of Muslims making a fake movie to intimidate homosexuals? Or was this a group of non believers faking the video to discredit and give Allah yet another black eye? Or was this just a bunch of villagers with a cam corder making a horror movie for commercial purposes? Are all those people jumping up and down actors?
written by balam , April 10, 2011
You do not have to suffer from guilt complex any more.I am glad that God has cast the Demon of Islam out of your life.The Demonic Spirit of Mohammad lives in every Muslim and controls its life.Thank God,you have managed to cast it out.Please stay in Peace for the rest of your life and may the Living and Loving God keep allah away from you.Allah is a god of hate and deception.I will keep you in my prayers even though I am a sinner and need the grace of God who is LOVE and our good heavenly FATHER.
written by Reed Wilson. , April 10, 2011
Dear Editor, M. A. Khan. I posted following to Malem regarding Islamic punishment for homosexuality:

1.26:165-166. Why do you go for males unlike all other creatures (165) Leaving the consorts your Lord has made for you? But you are a people who exceed the bounds."

2.27:54-55 Remember Lot, when he said to his people: "Why do you indulge in obscenities when you know (it is evil)? (54) You lust after men in place of women. You are indeed a stolid people."

3.6:151. Tell them: "Come, I will read out what your Lord has made binding on you: That you make none the equal of God, and be good to your parents, and do not abandon your children out of poverty, for We give you food and We shall provide for them; and avoid what is shameful, whether open or hidden, and do not take a life which God has forbidden, unless for some just cause. These things has God enjoined on you. Haply you may understand".

4.7:80-81. And We sent Lot, who said to his people: "Why do you commit this lecherous act which none in the world has committed before? In preference to women you satisfy your lust with men. Indeed you are a people who are guilty of excess."

I had concluded saying “Please appreciate, there is condemnation and no punishment in this world. They should reform and seek forgiveness”.

Thank you Mr. Khan for drawing my attention to two more verses:

1) "If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and amend, Leave them alone" (4:16);

2) "If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, Take the evidence of four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or Allah ordain for them some (other) way." (4:15).

I missed 4:16 as quoted above. There too there is no punishment prescribed. It is not essentially for homosexuality. The other verse 4:15 is about unchaste wives, the punishment for them was to stop them going out of your house, is not regarding homosexuality.

I don’t comment the verses and submit them just to point them out as they are.

Mr. Khan you write “Reed, your dishonesty knows no bounds”. It is your characteristic beautiful expression, but here it seems out of place. If you think that God is unjust on homosexuality, he is no more god and you can go ahead Scot free...
written by duh_swami , April 10, 2011
Mr. Khan you write “Reed, your dishonesty knows no bounds”.

Gee, I wonder why he would say that about you?

' If you think that God is unjust on homosexuality, he is no more god and you can go ahead Scot free'..

Well you got that one right, Allah is no god...Homosexuality is punish in Islam regardless of your protestations and obfuscations...If Allah was not willing these punishments, they would not be happening...
to Reed
written by Editor, M. A. Khan , April 10, 2011
Sorry Reed, your comment to Malem got deleted by mistake.

I pointed to your dishonesty, because of your citing all the verses about homosexuals, willfully keeping out the two vital ones that go against the case you want to make.

And this has been observed from you numerous times on various topics.
A fake?
written by Kaafir , April 10, 2011
I have watched this video a few times and these guys are already dead. They don’t move at all except the one leg moves, just drops and when they are pushed in they look like they are stiff. Just like in the movie Untouchables when Sean Connery “Jim Malone” sticks a gun in the guys mouth and pulls the trigger and blows the guys head off..Good PR if you ask me. And it works..Peace to all non-muslims
written by fineliving56 , April 10, 2011
Thank you for including me in your preyer even when I do not believe in a god on demand that if we prey it will answer, but the thought it count and I appreciated .
…do you know I still CATCH MY SELF SAY …INSHAE ALLAH ..means if allah permits . it is stock in the brain ..I like to deprogram my brain …haha

4.15- Reed
written by Raman , April 10, 2011
Mr.Reed, Allah tells in 4.15 to lock up women until death for their lewd behavior. Do you approve this? But, he is lenient towards men for the same mistake. Is that discrimination?
written by vbv , April 11, 2011
It was interesting ,yet gruesome , to learn from the postings of Mr. A.R.Khan about the politics ,bloodshed and murders of the successors of Muhamad by the muslims in their struggle for political power. I cannot understand , in the light of all these facts, their continuing turmoil and mutual distrust and a tendency to settle score by murders/massacres/plunders/rape of women and girls, and extreme intolerance ,how the muslims swear by this cult and claim that it can bring peace,prosperity and welfare to humanity. It is plainly a destructive,regressive and violently intolerant idealogy ,yet manages to have so many adherents. Muslim nations are backward, cesspools of corruption, biggest abusers of humanrights and never at peace with themselves ,ruled by dictators and clergy . Yet Zakir Naik claims in his Peace TV that islam will provide all the solutions for the problems of humanity. These zombies cannot solve any of their own problems , they have the temerity to make such tall and impossible claims.

Anyway, thanks to Mr.Khan for enlightening everybody with the gory story of the birth and initial days of this barbaric arab cult.
written by vbv , April 11, 2011
Gay/homosexuality is a more a psychological problem that should be dealt with sympathetically like any other mental disease. Islam itself is a mental disease, all monotheistic cults are a form of mental disease and islam is among the worst that is almiost incurable ,hence not fit to address such problems as 'gays' or any other form of sexual perversity.You can see that in the evil glint of the mullahs' eyes or in the hypocritical smile and veneer of the padres/pastors. Both these clergies are not above the gays and other forms of sexual perversities like rape ,child-molestations under the cover of "holiness" ,amen!
written by Duh_swami , April 11, 2011
Gay/homosexuality is a more a psychological problem that should be dealt with sympathetically like any other mental disease.

Some people think that homosexuality is karmic...A result of vasanas (tendencies) acquired in this life and former lives...Homosexuality in this respect conforms to cause and effect...If you cause something, there will be an effect...You may die before the karmic effect takes place...If the vasanas are strong enough you will be reincarnated in a situation where that effect can take place and expend itself...If this un worked out karma has to do with homosexuality, the person will be born with that vasana...In this way homosexuals are born not having a choice...
A true gay person cannot change, those people who leave this lifestyle for the more conventional are not really 'gay' to begin with...

I don't necessarily vouch for this theory, but it is as good as any other and better than some...

To duh_swami
written by Archpagan , April 11, 2011
Modern psychiatrists believe some people are born as homosexuals/Lesbians. Brain of a homosexual is organized like a female and similarly lesbians have their brain organized like males. Therefore, both have a skewed sense of carnal desires. Homosexuality/lesbianism can not be cured in such a situation. However, when someone is forced into homosexuality/lesbianism and thereby develops such tendency, that can be cured.
To Reed Wilson
written by Archpagan , April 11, 2011
Reed, now Mr. M. A. Khan has again proved that Koran is a bundle of contradictions. Throw it out for a better message of God. BTW, where goes your favorite refuge of context?
True face of Islam ---- Rape not mentioned in Quran(Reed Wilson)
written by lw1 , April 11, 2011
Yahoo Maktoob. 11/4/11. 3 men Ordered to be executed for Rape
CAIRO (AFP) - An Egyptian military court in the Suez Canal city of Ismailiya has ordered the execution of three men convicted of kidnapping and raping a woman last month, the state-owned press said on Monday.
Mohammed Gamal Attiya, Mohammed Misbah Abdel Haq and Ibrahim Mohammed al-Shennawi are to be hanged, in the first ruling by a military court since Egypt passed tougher laws on sexual offences, the mass circulation Al-Ahram newspaper reported.
The victim, 24, and a male relative were driving on a motorway on March 20 on their way to the northern city of Damietta when the three men forced them to stop the vehicle at gun point.
"They then took the woman further away and proceeded to assault her," Al-Ahram said.
The men were caught by the army, which has taken charge of policing since a popular uprising toppled president Hosni Mubarak in February.
Rape not mentioned in Quran -- Reed Wilson.
no answer from Reed yet
written by Raman , April 11, 2011
Reed, u r a scholar in analyzing Quran. Why you did not answer my doubt on 4.15? I am not good at hide and seek game.
written by Reed Wilson. , April 12, 2011
Raman."Reed, u r a scholar in analyzing Quran. Why you did not answer my doubt on 4.15?

Raman, I dont like to be called Islamic scholar. Quran is for every body and does not require specialists.

The verse is simple. No context needed. I repeat:

"And as for those who are guilty of an indecency from among your women, call to witnesses against them four (witnesses) from among you; then if they bear witness confine them to the houses until death takes them away or Allah opens some way for them". (4:15)

It simply means that dont let them go out. Till death is an expression of anger. Even a confinement of one month or even shorter can be till death' or Allah opens some way for them.

Editor thinks this verse is also about homosexuality which he thinks I wilfully hid. How can I hide. It is public document. I had mentioned 4 verses. Had I mentioned only one, all of remaining I was hiding. If he is happy that way, I am interested in his happiness.

"I am not good at hide and seek game".

Not even in hide and seek game!!
what is it with the God of the east?
written by Fred Dawes , April 13, 2011
God is God, But what is the ideals of the Religion of the gods of the east.?
with a history that is 5000 years old many gods have disappeared and come down on us all like a ton of [email protected] the ideals of love and hate and evil and good do not come from God but from the line of BS In all of the Religion of that part of the world, it is time we start to ask who or what is this God? and start to see God not as some monkey from the east but a friend who wants you to live in peace and Love with that God that is all and nothing; that is both Good and total pay back; be good to each other or go to hell.
angry god
written by Raman , April 13, 2011
Reed, it is not unusual to hear abt Allah getting angry. In Quran he has ordered cutting finger tips, smiting neck, and tying captives to tree. Was Allah joking in those verses or was he playing hide n seek?
Reed, I am sure u understand Allah's emotions better than any of us do!
written by TruthSeeker , April 13, 2011
You said
The Bible was written as an example and a warning. All that was written was "replaced" by one commandment..To love one another..Jesus gave that command at John 13:34 We are living in the 21st century now and not as cavemen like islam.

That commandment didnt replace anything. It merely summarizes the 10 commandments into one line. God's word doesnt change. What was sin 2 or 3000 years ago, for any and every reason, including homosexuality, is still sin today, for any and every reason.

Homosexuals will still face the judgment of God unless they repent and choose celibacy over sin.

written by Duh_swami , April 13, 2011
Homosexuals will still face the judgment of God unless they repent and choose celibacy over sin.

And you know this because...? Did you read that in a book somewhere, or did God tell you directly?
angry god
written by Raman , April 13, 2011
Reed, it is not unusual to hear abt Allah getting angry. In Quran he has ordered cutting finger tips, smiting neck, and tying captives to tree. Was Allah joking in those verses or was he playing hide n seek?
Reed, I am sure u understand Allah's emotions better than any of us do!
written by TruthSeeker , April 14, 2011
I know this because God has said it. Its in the bible

We are called to love your neighbor and even your enemy, and that includes gays terrorists, whatever.....but the bible is still clear that, in the case of gays in particular, that they will not inherit the kingdom of God save that they repent of the sins

I am deeply saddened for those men, that a bunch of ignorant fools and murderers decided to take God's justice into their own hands intead of leaving it up to God.....and giving these men a chance to learn about Jesus Chrsit and turn and be saved. Now they have no chance, thanks to an idiot mob who murdered them like the biblical story of the mob who wanted to stone an adulteress

I'd just have soon told these gays, as Jesus did, GO NOW, AND SIN NO MORE

That doesnt take away from the fact however, that gays who do not repent will face God's judgement.

Someone already quoted the OT injunction that commands gays to be stoned

Also I believe somneone quoted Romans 1: 26-28

1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another *; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

You also see in Revelation
1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

1 Corinthians 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

THE EFFEMINATE AND ABUSERS OF THEMSELVES WITH MANKIND - Those speak of gays in 17th-century speak....about 200 years before the word homosexual was coined

written by TruthSeeker , April 14, 2011
That last part I meant Corinthians, not Revelation
written by Truthseeker , April 14, 2011
That video appears to have been removed
written by Duh_swami , April 14, 2011
You ruined your credibility in the first sentence...I don't need to read the rest...

Quoting scripture just means you actually know nothing...

'God'. never said anything, nor did he write any books...That is kindergarten religion...Quoting the Bible has the same effect on me as quoting the Quran...God never talked, he never wrote...You are simply believing the writings of men who also never heard him speak...
When God speaks to you directly, please let me know...record it if you can...
God also never condemned any gays, only macho men do that...
If you were to tell me that the Bible has a valid code of moral behavior, superior to the Quran, I would agree...but when you tell me that God speaks or writes, or you know what he want's, I know that you know little or nothing...The next thing you will tell me is that God 'inspires' men to write...That's fine, God inspired me, to tell you, that you need to learn more, and lift yourself out of fantasy...
written by Raman , April 15, 2011
Reed, you have no answer to my question on the mood of Allah? If you wish you can take more time. Sometimes silence creates chaos.
written by TruthSeeker , April 15, 2011
God DOES speak to us directly, IN THE BIBLE. And the men who wrote the bible HAVE heard God speak. God is also perfectly capable of inspiring fallible men to accurately commit His Word to paper. AND GOD IS NO LIAR.

Tell me, what is YOUR idea of God speaking to you?

In Genesis, Satan asks Eve Did God REALLY say that you would perish if you ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil? (paraphrasing here).

Anyone who denies the infallibility of God's Holy Word, like you, are just echoing Satan.

Did God really say that Jesus is Lord? YES.

Did God really say that gays (or anybody for that matter) will perish if they do not repent of their sins?


Stop Echoing Satan

unbelievable, vile
written by Muslim , April 16, 2011
Iv'e read many disgusting topics like this and im beginning to believe this is a group of non-Muslim racists, you people

make up your own opinions about all of this and continue the hate towards Muslims, you don't bother to ask an

intelligent TRUE Muslim anything about Islam. This website is not the truth about Islam, most definitely not, this is an

insult to every true muslim out there and reading topics on this has made me sick to my stomach. For one none of

the gays burned in the video were screaming as any ordinary human would if they were burned alive. even if they were

burning gays it does not say anything about burning gays in Islam at all, these excuses for humans probably thought they

were doing "jihad" by burning these gays. Those bastards are terrorists and no Muslims at all no matter what they call

themselves. Those ignorant idiots think they are spreading islam but they are making everyone look at us muslims as if


THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO CALL THEMSELVES MUSLIMS. A true muslim would have tried to convert those gays to

straight men.
Truthseeker...keep seeking, you have not yet found...
written by Duh_swami , April 16, 2011
I worked in the mental health system for years, lots of mentally ill people hear God talking to them...You simply believe in the supernatural...You see, you have lost your ability to see any reality at all...You get your supernatural beliefs from one book, the Bible...and they dominate your ability to reason logically... I bet you never read the Bible with a critical out look, like critical thinking...You just accept everything it says without reservation...That's exactly what most Muslims do with Quran...When they start reading Quran critically, they apostate...I see the Bible in a different way than you do...That's because I am more educated about the supernatural than you are...and apparently know more about Bible symbolism than you do...

As far as I am concerned your remark about 'stop echoing Satan' is a Satanic statement in itself...Who are you to decide this? Did God tell you to say that? What happened to 'Judge not lest ye be judged'? You are indulging yourself in black magic...another subject I know more about than you do...Maybe you should clean up your own back yard before commenting on mine...
written by Duh_swami , April 16, 2011
Here is a parable for you, if you understand it, you will have made a great leap forward...

'Fruit does not talk, it just listens and waits'...
written by Jeff , April 16, 2011
What a horrible excuse for a "religion".
is there any doubt?
written by American Guy , April 16, 2011
While there may have been some kindness or decency in the Muslim teachings once, those things have been long ago discarded and certainly are not practiced any longer.

Moslem is a religion that has been infiltrated (if not created) by SATAN and is now given over to MURDER, RAPE, MUTILATION OF CHILDREN, and gruesome tortures beyond imagination - all perpetrated in the "NAME OF THEIR GOD". Well, I have news for you. The real Muslim god is SATAN and/or his minions: that much is painfully obvious to any thinking human being on this planet.

CHRISTIANS AND JEWS Worldwide need to come together and pray that this MYSTERY BABYLON Religion will be STOPPED and ULTIMATELY DESTROYED by the REAL CREATOR OF THIS WORLD! Repent of our own sins and ask that ALL MIGHTY GOD, The KING OF KINGS and LORD OF LORDS uses his might to protect us all from the evil that is incarnate in the MUSLIM religion now. PRAY that all MUSLIMS world wide have their eyes opened and come to their senses and flee from this horror and denounce their vile and cruel leaders. Pray for God's Son to touch their hearts and minds and deliver them from the evil they've been entombed into! PRAYER IS POWERFUL. Coupled with repentance and fasting it is the most powerful force on earth! ASK THE REAL GOD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH TO STOP THE EVIL THAT IS PASSING ITSELF OFF AS A RELIGION. PRAY for the deliverance of the Muslims that are still human and still have a bit of decency in their soul. d

Whether they were created by SATAN or hijacked by him along the way - does not matter. It has become and is EVIL INCARNATE and the only method of defeating them is the same method that G_D taught the Jews when they came back to their promised land after wondering in the deserts for four hundred years. Evil is not defeated by might or power. It is defeated by FAITH and BELIEF in the REAL GOD!

On the subject of Homosexuality: No sin is any worse in the eyes of God than another. Gay men and women are human and were and are as much a product of creation as any of us are. They will be judged by God when they face HIM - just as the rest of us will. Mankind would be very foolish to usurp HIS role in that area. JUDGE NOT LEST YE BE JUGED!
American Guy
written by Duh_swami , April 16, 2011
Evil is not defeated by might or power. It is defeated by FAITH and BELIEF in the REAL GOD!

If that were the case atheists would be evil...Not because they may be mighty and powerful, but because they reject faith and belief in your God...

'ASK THE REAL GOD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH TO STOP THE EVIL THAT IS PASSING ITSELF OFF AS A RELIGION. PRAY for the deliverance of the Muslims that are still human and still have a bit of decency in their soul.

Your God stops no evil what so ever, and is not going to do so any time soon...Your God does not work that way...

You are right that Islam is evil, but praying a lot and begging your God to put a stop to it is not going to have the desired effect...The Christians getting murdered by the dozens, and churches getting burned down, and Christians becoming refugees, running from their own countries... do what you suggest, and they get killed anyway...
Yes, your God will protect them alright...He ignores their plight...He is indifferent to their suffering, he does nothing...And this do nothing God is who you will face and will judge you...
Excuse me if I pass on it...When judgement day comes, I'm going to Las Vegas, Nevada, the Devils playground, it will be safe there...I don't have any belief in a God who lives in the sky and is going to punish you for disbelief, disobedience, sin and other wrongdoings...Your God sounds a lot like Allah...
written by fineliving56 , April 16, 2011
For the life of me , I will never understand a religious mind .
high gas prices
written by fineliving56 , April 16, 2011
I was listening to the news few days ago , I was about to fall of my couch laughing when I heard this :
A paster , I forget where city he is from , had a group sunday preyer held in his church to prey for ...of all things ... the high gas prices that is happening right now do to Liberia's war (supposedly) .

for high gas prices !!!….mind you ... not the earth quakes , not tornadoes , not cancer , not tsunamis , not even drought …after all these thing happen ( supposedly ) by the order of God ..right …well ..no that paster is preying for a man made thing and a man made need …. gas …we all know it is UP to a man to lower the Gas prices …..MAY BE WHEN A MAN STOPS CHEATING and try to get reacher by pushing up the price of gas when the gas we get from Libya , is only 4% .

I do not like to offend Christians and preyers to god but common …prey for gas lol .
written by Duh_swami , April 17, 2011
I don't like to offend Christians either, in fact I stick up for Christianity, and I'm not a Christian, at least not one in the regular way...But some Christians are a little over bearing...As I stated somewhere, I have no objection to a decent moral code...Social and moral decency, is fine with me...But when these folks start telling me that God said this or God said that, or God is going to 'get' me if I don't conform, or they blanket everyone with religious theory like 'we are all sinners', and there is no way out of it...According to them, we were born sinners, we will live as sinners and we will dies sinners...So if you can't avoid sinning, we should sin in anyway that seems to be more fun, unless it is somehow hurtful...But these folks are just like the main Mullah in Iran who said, Islam is not fun, there is no fun in Islam...Certain pushy Christians are similar, they don't mind if you have fun as long as you do it in ways they approve of...Reading the Bible, going to Church, praying, are all the fun you need according to them...That's a lot like Islam isn't it?
To duh_swami
written by Archpagan , April 17, 2011
My neighbour Mrs. R sometimes goes into trance while performing puja and impersonates as Goddess Kali. Once, I talked to her during such trance over a professional crisis. Her words did sound like that from a Goddess. So, I have no problem per se when people say such or such are God's message. Problem starts when such message affects life of another person. There can not be more abuse or denigration of God than enslaving Him into a covenant. God is good and should be kind to all His creation.
written by Duh_swami , April 17, 2011
My problem with that is the lack of direct contact...Swami Chinmayananda once told me that you can't get anywhere by some others achievements...Chinmayananda could answer your questions before you asked them...But he never claimed that God was speaking to him about it...It was his own achievement gained after years of training...Some people like Mrs R don't achieve these abilities, they are born with them or acquire them later, but the ability was always with them...
Others have to train their minds to achievement...'The Kingdom of Heaven is Within You'...
And it always has been...No matter what the actual religion...It is not really religious, it is human...I agree about assigning a roll to God that is faulty, dis-honest, brutal and made up...

' God is good and should be kind to all His creation'.

Unfortunately I don't see where that happens...People spend their entire lives praying to this God, and then die a miserable death just the same...With animals it's even worse...
So I don't know where this kindness is hiding...What it should say is 'Humans are good, and should be kind to all creatures'...but I don't see that either...
Muslim, you cannot defend all of Islam any more, only your own version of it. And other Muslims do not have the right NOT to call themselves Muslims
written by Demsci , April 17, 2011

But look at it from the point of view of concerned citizens. We have to deal with all those Muslims who said the Shahada, promise the Hajj, Zakat, Ramadan, 5 prayers a day and who believe in Quran-Hadeeth-Sira or parts of them.

We know that apostasy from Islam carries the deathpenalty. We know that Muhammad and Ihsanoglu of the OIC and many Islamic scholars demand from Muslims to be first and foremost loyal to the Ummah.

That means that these men, even when they are really burning gays have no right NOT to call themselves Muslims, when once they were born or converted into Islam.

And such men, terrorists, gay-killers, they too claim that they speak for Islam, just like you. They too tell is what Islam stands for and what Islam is against. It means they and you both have no right to defend all of Islam, only your own interpretation, version of Islam.

But the editors and posters here, they too know a lot about Islam and because of their profound interest in it are bound to get better and better in knowing it.

So it becomes increasingly important for all Muslims to clearly describe their version of Islam and only be accountable for that version, NOT for all of Islam anymore.

And Muslims should start an independent organisation about their version, then put high conditions on membership and calling themselves Muslims of that version, so that indeed not just anybody who said the Shahada can call him/ herself a Muslim of their version.
Muslim, you should try to rebut our arguments, if only to yourself
written by Demsci , April 17, 2011
Muslim, the name Muslims is a collective name for 1,57 billion people. And many intelligent Muslims were coming on this website and gave their opinion, which were well read and responded too. Many editors and posters are apostates, who once WERE intelligent Muslims.

Look, according to Democratic rules, all people may give and take criticism, and within boundaries they MAY insult. No body has the right to be protected against insults in the public sphere. You are not mr nice guy to us exactly too, and that is OK. Freedom of speech is always a 2-way-street.

Look, when you talk about us hating Muslims, we can retort that Muslims forfeit trust by not responding to legitimate complaints, like holding on to loyalty to Ummah over nation, and holding on to clearly anti-Democratic laws, like the deathpenalty for apostasy, in a global context.

As always, you as a Muslim are disturbed by the message here, but unable or unwilling to clearly define your rebuttal, and you resort in discrediting the messengers at this site, with the usual; that they are motivated by hate, that they are dumb, without knowledge from real Muslims.

But these are all just excuses, to hide your own ignorance about Islam or else your own inability to confidently rebut our strong arguments. Supported as they are all the time by Islamic texts and sayings of influential Muslims. THAT, your own weakness and doubts, is what makes you sick in your stomach and so angry.

And you know what, even if YOU have a kind version of Islam, then still your co-religionists ruin Islam and its reputation for you, we here just react to them.

It may be that we would leave you and your version of Islam alone, if we liked it and you had the guts to clearly tell it to the world and to all your co-religionists as well and when you put high conditions upon membership of your version.
American Guy
written by fineliving56 , April 17, 2011
If , I was really sure, that preyers will combat Islam and it will stop and destroy it ….
I will camp in church .
I will not eat or drink.
I will devote my life to prey in any language ..in any way …in any religion … just I wont to have a sign from that Mr God, that it IS listening to my preyer to destroy Islam .

So far , there is nothing

So far , I sit and paint :-)

Blatant Lie
written by M.O.I.I.U , April 17, 2011
Firstly, the person in this video did not say that the men were being punished for their sexuality. The only description of their crime in the entire video were the words "nasty work".

Secondly, it's against Sharia law to burn anyone for any crime so, if indeed this video is not a fake as it seems to suggest, these men have directly gone against Islam law. Thus, you cannot associate this video with Islam because it simply isn't part of it.

Thirdly, homosexuality is forbidden in Christianity and Judaism. For example, The Bible states in Levitcus: "If a man has sex with another man, kill them both". 20:13

In conclusion; this post is a lame attempt, backed with little evidence or conviction, to demonise Islam. Muslims, don't be fooled be these blatant lies.
duhSwami and Muslim
written by TruthSeeker , April 18, 2011
I am truly sorry you feel the way you do. I used to be like you, I used to believe the bible was written by primjitives who had no understanding of the way the universe "really" works. I am not one to go along with the crowd either, neither am I mentally deficient because I believe that God speaks to me

If you deny that God can spwak to peeople you are basically judging and condemning a billion plus people who have gone on to a better world with Jesus Christ because they believed with all their heart that Jesus is Lord come in the flesh for sinful men and have repented of their sins and cleansed themselves in His shed blood.

The fact that you deny that you are a sionner only proves you ARE one. Because you are a LIAR. NO ONE is free from sin. Not you, me, anybody.

If you are free from sin then you are the first perfect man since the creation of the world who doesnt need Jesus.

Even Jesus could be tempted by sin.....but proved Himself perfect in that He perfectly resisted temptation

You reminded me of Jesus' teaching, DO NOT JUDGE. I am not judging you for I do not consider myself to be better than you; I do not consider myself to be perfect and sin free, I am a forgiven sinner.

I rebuke you however for even suggesting that I practice black magick

Because it is the truth that anyone who denies the infallibility of God's word is just repeating Satan's words to Eve in the Garden when Satan called into question God's word

Now to get back on track


NO ONE is saying that all Muslims are bad. Neither do we hate Muslims. What we hate is the words of a pedophile murderer who is responsible for the slaughter of millions over the centuries, sent a billion plus people down the road to hell because of his false teachings and who has ruined the lives of millions of little girls because of his sick ideas that its ok to have sex with prepubescent little babies

And if you had even bothered to read up on your tradition, as many of us, especially the ex-muslims here have, you will see that Muhammad did preach this kind of slaughter, it is EVERYWHERE. As someone else here asked you PROVE US WRONG.

written by TruthSeeker , April 18, 2011
Why has my post been put up for review?? I havent said anything wrong
written by Truthseeker , April 18, 2011
Pardon my bad typing in my previous post :-P
Thruthseeker + Christians
written by Moiiu , April 18, 2011
Truthseeker, i find it amusing that you have the courage to call Islam a violent religion and one that promotes paedophillia. It’s not the smartest decision to start throwing stones when you yourself live in a glass house. Let's take a look at your own Bible before we delve into Islam.

Moses' Commands for pedophilia against 3-year old slave girls do count against the Bible!
As shown in the quotes below:

"....The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of MOSES to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children...."
"....According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, MOSES therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day, because they were "suitable for having sexual relations." [138]...."
"Said Rabbi Joseph, "Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse....."
"A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. "A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse," the words of R. Meir. And sages say, "Three years and one day old."....."

In Deuteronomy we see the following:

1- All men, including the unarmed ones, were to be executed (Deu teronomy 20:13).
2- All women and children were to be taken as spoils of war (Deuteronomy 20:14).
3- For the others, kill and destroy every creature that is breathing - that is all men, women, children and animals (Deuteronomy 20:16-17).

The Bible allows for the master to sleep with his slave's wife and daughters:

Have a read of Exodus 21

So what do we see here:
1- The man owns the slave, and even owns his wife and children if the slave got married while he was a slave.
2- A slave is a property. This means that a master could have sex with a slave.
3- If the slaves wishes to leave, then he must leave his wife and children to his master. Otherwise, he will have to become a slave for the rest of his life.
4- A man can sell his daughter as a slave-girl.
5- Certainly, the master in all of the cases can sleep with the woman (the wife of the slave, or the daughter who was sold), and the daughters.

According to the Bible, it's ok to have sex with three year old girls. Now, I will happily discuss the marriage of 9 year old Aisha to the Prophet (PBUH), and i can show you CLEAR PROOF of why this marriage was perfectly legal, by todays standards. But first, i would like you to comment on the aforementioned passages. Oh by the way, that's just the tip of the iceberg. There are, and this is no exaggeration, hundreds more like them - both in the OT & NT.
written by Duh_swami , April 18, 2011
Your black magick is showing...Rebuke all you want...Who told you that you are qualified to identify sin in another? Who are you to blanket the Earth with it?
You see, I don't subscribe to your theories...because that's what they are, theories...
You cannot prove one word you say without referring to your book...
I am without sin no matter what your uninitiated mind tells you...You cannot prove any different because all you have is assumptions...and blind belief...
Sin is the paramount issue with certain religious types...it is necessary...Without sin there is no need for a savior, no need to build big churches and no reason to condemn people to hell because of it...So if sin is necessary for you, you can have all you want...As far as I am concerned, calling me a sinner would be a sin (black magic) in itself, if I believed in such nonsense...
And you can talk to God all you want, when he starts talking back run quick to the doctor to see what is wrong with you...

written by Duh_swami , April 18, 2011
'Truthseeker, i find it amusing that you have the courage to call Islam a violent religion and one that promotes paedophillia. It’s not the smartest decision to start throwing stones when you yourself live in a glass house'.

Well Mo, I don't live in a glass house, so let me throw a few stones at Satan...Islam is evil...It was created by evil men with an evil agenda...Mohammad was a sand pirate, a murderer, a contract killer, a slave driver, a rapist, and a perverted child molester...And I don't care what the Bible says...Not only that, you are quoting the OT...No Christian or Jew do theses things today...but Muslims do...Where in the NT does Jesus give permission to marry or rape children?
Your moral equivalences and value judgement's are faulty...
Black magicians don't go to heaven...
written by Duh_swami , April 18, 2011
Don Juan Matuse told Carlos that, 'the true black magicians are your fellow man...If you don't believe that, just try and break away from the path they have set for you'...

People conduct magical rituals every day, often black magic, without realizing they are doing it...
Just making a cup of tea is an example of a magical evocation...The four elements are used...Water...fire...air...and Earth...the tea leaves...

Black magic takes many forms, but generally it is used to unfairly influence or harm...
When a husband beats or imprisons his wife in the home, these are acts of black magick...because to rob another of their liberty for even a minute is an act of black magick...
To use your will to dominate the will of another is an act of black magick...To accuse another without a shred of proof is also an act of black magick...These acts happen every day, all day long...Mostly by the unwashed and the uninformed...The problem with not so brights conducting unknown black magic rituals, is that they do not know how to protect themselves from the energy they unleash...That's where the laws of karma come in...You are ultimately responsible for the energy you release...You will reap what you sew...That's why magical adepts have developed ways to protect themselves and identify the energy they are dealing with...The rest have no clue, and suffer accordingly...
Duh_swami + Christians
written by Moiiu , April 19, 2011
“Not only that, you are quoting the OT...No Christian or Jew do theses things today”

It’s comical. Christians claim that the OT is outdated and isn’t applicable in modern society. Yet, what they don’t realize is; by making this clam they are essentially calling God an idiot. Shouldn’t an all-knowing and all-powerful God know about the changes that would have occurred over the coming centuries? Why then do Christian leaders feel it necessary to selectively choice their scripture simply because they don’t like it? Moreover, Jesus himself commanded his people to obey the laws of the OT.

Let us look at what Jesus said in the New Testament in context:

Read Matthew 15:1-9

There are few points to notice here:

1- Notice in verse 3, Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for breaking the Commands of GOD Almighty.
2- In verse 4, he used the cursing of parents' punishment as an example. The context, however, is not limited to just this example.
3- In verses 7,8 and 9, he used a quote from the book of Isaiah in the Old Testament, to further prove that they are not following the Commands of GOD Almighty.
4- Jesus clearly had a problem with them not following the punishment of death for cursing the parents or any punishment of death that is commanded in the OT for this matter! In fact, Jesus himself said:

"Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)"

"Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 'The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.' (Matthew 23:1-3)"

This clearly means:

1- Jesus absolutely approved and commanded the following of the OT's Laws.
2- The fact he commanded death penalty for cursing the parents clearly proves that he also approves of killing apostates as clearly shown in the OT verses above!

So, according to the NT - you must obey the laws of the OT. Therefore, you are obliged to answer all of the points i raised in my previous post. If you can do so, ill happily talk about Islam.
Mo...This is Islam-watch, not Christian watch...
written by Duh_swami , April 19, 2011
Don't quote the Bible to me...You are wasting your efforts...You need to tell that petrified bovine fecal matter to some who might believes it...There are no Christian strapping on bombs to blow up pizza parlors...There are no Christians beheading, lashing or torturing disbelievers, there is no Christian sharia law, and Christians don't jihad...All your protests are stupid, and useless...
You quote Jesus...Please prove that he really existed in flesh and blood...
Proof of Jesus
written by Malem , April 20, 2011
The accounts of his existince are captured in many ancient texts in addition to the Bible, Koran etc.. You might want to take a trip to Israel and look for yourself. If you are looking for pictures they did not exist then and the only proof of someones existince prior to photogrpahy was text, you will need to be able to read but it is there. Just like Noah (they did find his ark) or Abraham or Buddah or....all captured in writing. Good luck and peace to you brother.
written by duh_swami , April 20, 2011
There is no proof that Jesus actually existed...if there was, there would be no one questioning it...It would have made headlines years ago, and the issue would be settled...The reason there are no such headlines is because there is no proof...You are a BS er Malem...Are we to believe you read these ancient texts yourself? or that you visited Israel and took a look? Haha you are funny...Ancient texts say a lot of unprovable things, and many of them are out right frauds and forgeries...Like the Quran for instance...
Moiiu, comparing Islam and Christianity or their Holy texts with each other is so useless now
written by Demsci , April 21, 2011
Moiiu wrote: "It’s comical. Christians claim that the OT is outdated and isn’t applicable in modern society. Yet, what they don’t realize is; by making this clam they are essentially calling God an idiot."

Often we think that by assigning the faulty and cruel Quran to Allah, Muslims are essentially calling HIM at least very imperfect. And powerless or perhaps lazy too, for not intervening after Muhammad, when mankind has changed so much, learned and experienced so much, and still Allah does not either end the world or update HIS words, now that mankind is so much more acutely in need of it. And Allah certainly never showed HE was capable of looking into the future in any convincing manner.

I am glad that Christians take their holy texts now more symbolical, pertaining to a particular time in part, and not for all time for all people. But the Muslims do that, and they insist that the Quran is the literal word from God, while the Christians say the Bible is written by faulty humans, who were inspired by God.

The Muslims should follow the example of the Christians, but they en masse don't. That is why comparisons between Muslims and Christians and their holy texts are no longer relevant to many knowledgeabe citizens. It should not help the Muslims or Muslim-defenders one bit any more among knowledgeable citizens. It is Islam and Democracy that should be compared.
Although we are allies with the Christians, I too believe there is no evidence for Jesus
written by Demsci , April 21, 2011
I agree with Duh-Swami. There are many authors, for over centuries now, that have studied all the so-called sources for Jesus' existence extensively. They listened to any conceivable arguments about facts and logic from the believers too and they could reasonably refute them. And still, it was the believers who made the extraordinary claim, the burden of proof for Jesus'existence rested on them. The burden of proof for proving Jesus did not exist was not on the many scientists who deeply studied the issue and found the evidence wanting, or even false, exaggerated or non-existing.

All these so-called classic proofs for the existence of Jesus were logically refuted and the alternative theory of myth-forming was offered as more likely. At least of course all this seems to be so to me. We humans should always be open for better opinions.

Even written material from Josephus, Tacitus and Pliny are shown to be no convincing arguments. And the most amazing thing; the apostle Paul, in time the earliest source in the Bible, seems to describe only a very heavenly mythical or long-dead Jesus, certainly not a man who lived in almost exactly the same time as he until his supposed death. That riddle has never been satisfactorily solved.
There is proof
written by Malem , April 25, 2011
The Blind man who could then see, the water that became wine and was drank, the lepers who were cured, his mention in various texts from all the areas he visited, the existence of his mother and brother.....I am pretty sure there is more proof he existed than that you exist. Peace my brother
There is proofs ?
written by fineliving56 , April 25, 2011
hahaha ….you must have been there to know all that …..did you see the blind man?…did you drink that water that turned to wine with him ? if you did you are going in to Jahannam ..tisk..tisk...
Simpleton Malem
written by Duh_swami , April 25, 2011
Those things you mention are not proof of anything...You really are a simple man aren't you?...Stories in a book are not proof...You are using kindergarten logic...Do you also believe that Jonah spent several days in the belly of a whale?
Malem, perhaps you are not interested in the truth first, but rather first in keeping your beloved beliefs.
written by Demsci , May 01, 2011
Malem, you who show us so much scepticism to what the articles and we say. You who is supposed to be logical, rational in all your daily dealings with people. How can you believe stories in a book, without being as rational?

And no, there ARE no reliable mentions in various texts in areas where he went. There is even an embarrassing absence of that. His mother is not some historical figure either. His brother? Well, there as James the Just, "the brother of the Lord". But funny, in the book of Judas, it's author claims to be the brother of James the Just. Only if this is so, why does he not then claim to be brother of Jesus?! It is of course because "brother of the Lord" means something else, is ambiguous.

What are you, a truthseeker? Or do you admit that you don't care about the truth, only about the merit of your religion? If you admitted that, it would be hugely gratifying for people like me.
Existance of Jesus Christ.
written by Reed Wilson. , May 04, 2011
Malem. The proof for his existence is Gospel and Christianity.

Muslims do not need any proof because he is elaborately mentioned in Quran.
to muslim zombies ….
written by fineliving56 , May 04, 2011
---------------------------*Quran is no proof of Quran*-----------------------------
to Moiiu
written by pipo , May 29, 2011

Now you don't have to agree with this, but what a different picture the Quran and everyday islamic practise makes, where even the most corrupt male muslim is encouraged to judge and punish unbelievers and women.

Bible and Quran are antagonistic books, please stop comparing them.

In the Bible you go from darkness to the light. In the Quran one goes from light into darkness (if the quran had a chronological structure it would be obvious for everyone).

The darkness in the O.T. deserves far more respect than the dark ending of the Quran. Afterall the Jews were the persecuted ones not the persecutors. And while being under persecution most of the time they tried to invent morality; What is the value of a human life? When can you still forgive someone? How can you control violence and revenge? (an eye for an eye etc.) Ending with turning the other cheek and the discouragement of judging people ( he who is without ... etc.)
The dark ending of the Quran is just Fascism. Plain and simple.

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