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Allah Was Originally a Pre-Muslim Arabian “Moon God”

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When Islamists engage in terrorism, or use political power to introduce Sharia law, they do so because they have faith in Allah, allegedly the Omnipotent God. So, it is important to explain to them that Allah was originally a pre-Muslim Arabian “Moon god”. Modern Islamists, of course, have no idea that they worship a “Moon god”; instead they see Allah as a God, Who is the Creator of the universe. But their delusion does not alter the fact that Allah was originally a lunar deity as I will now explain.

To this day, Allah's “Moon god” origins are visible on the tops of countless mosques, for example on the tops of the twin towers of the Great Mosque in Mecca, where you can see the "crescent Moon" symbol, which represented the “Moon god” in the Ancient Middle East. The crescent Moon symbol is also on the top of the Maqam Ibrahim structure beside Mecca's Kaba shrine, which is the holiest place in the world for Muslims. Finally, the same symbol is on the flags of some mostly-Muslim nations (Algeria, Azerbaijan, Malaysia, the Maldives, Mauritania, Pakistan, Turkey, and Uzbekistan), on the flag which Libya's National Transitional Council have adopted, and on the sides of the ambulances which the Muslim equivalent of the Red Cross (the Red Crescent) operate, though those flags, and the Red Crescent emblem, were thought up long after Muslims began putting symbols of Allah the Moon god on the tops of their early mosques, and are thus, unlike those mosques, not proof of Allah's Moon god origins.

Like the pre-Christian Roman Empire, which was run by people, who worshipped outer space deities like Jupiter and Mars, pre-Muslim Middle Eastern peoples worshipped heavenly bodies like the Moon, because they were in awe of the big objects they saw in outer space, and did not know what they were, as they did not have modern astronomical knowledge, which led them to decide that the big objects in outer space were deities who should be worshipped.

In the Ancient Middle East, worship of the Moon god under such names as Suen and Sin (and of course Allah) was common, so common in fact that the writers of "The Old Testament" felt the need to condemn lunar deity worship in several places (Deuteronomy 4:19, and 17:3, II Kings 21:3 and 5, and 23:5, Jeremiah 8:2, and 19:13, and Zephaniah 1:5). The scorching summer heat of that part of the world, possibly made many locals decide that the Sun, which was worshipped as a god or goddess in other places, was not their big friend in outer space, unlike the Moon god who appeared during the night, when the heat of the day abated.

The worship of the “Moon god” continued into the Christian era in pre-Muslim Arabia, where people in Mecca worshipped their lunar deity, Allah, at the Kaba shrine. Many gods and goddesses were worshipped in pre-Islamic Mecca, but Allah, who was seen as the father of other gods and goddesses, was the Supreme Deity.

The Kaba shrine contains a famous black meteorite, which landed at the site of what became Mecca. Pre-Muslim Arabians revered the space rock, as they did not know what meteorites were, which led them to believe that their Supreme Deity had sent them the rock. So, they built the Kaba shrine to Allah at the meteorite's impact site. Mecca then developed around the Moon god's shrine, because the desert Bedouins made pilgrimages to the place, where they thought Allah had sent them a space rock.

The fact that Muslims regard what was primarily a shrine to a pre-Muslim lunar deity as their holiest place is, of course, further proof that Allah was originally a “Moon god”. Why did Mohammed not build a new shrine for the God of his new religion instead of simply taking over one, which was already devoted to Allah the “Moon god”?

The fact that, to this day, when Muslims make their pilgrimage to Mecca, they kiss or touch the black meteorite in the Kaba, which is yet more proof that Allah was originally a lunar deity. Why did Mohammed not create a new "holy relic" for Muslims to kiss or touch, instead of telling them to kiss or touch Allah the Moon god's "holy relic"?

Although the word "Allah" simply means "God", the fact that Muhammad did not invent a new name for his new Muslim god when he invented Islam is, of course, even more proof that Allah was originally a lunar deity. There is no debate about the fact that the Moon god worshipping Meccans referred to their supreme deity as Allah before Mohammed, which is why a man called Abd-Allah – meaning "servant of Allah", or "slave of Allah" – lived in Mecca before Muhammad and that man was very Muhammad’s father.

He was presumably called Abd-Allah, because his Banu Hashim clansmen of the Quraysh tribe were pious devotees of their Moon god, as they were in charge of looking after the Kaba shrine.

Abd-Allah was not given a new Muslim name after Muhammad invented Islam, because Abd-Allah died 6 months before Muhammad was born. Moreover, even Muhammad had given one of his sons the name Abd-Allah well before he began inventing Islam at the age of 40 by writing the “Koran".

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Abdullah
written by fineliving56 , October 10, 2011
Is it hard to believe the God, that created everything, would copy a name from the ancient pagans, who their fascination with the moon, made them pray to it. Allah could not even muster a descent name to give IT self ,other then a pagan God name at that time ….
Before I left islam, I questioned, that in my mind …why Allah would name, IT self, a name of excesting God at that time.As usual, I gave an excuse to my self for that by saying…Allah used a name that Muslims already have known to make their conversion easer and familiar to them, I never told anyone until now……again minds and its cognitive dissonance at work.

Abd-Allah is never spilled like that, because when these words comes together,the A sound in Allah becomes U sound to make transition sound …they become one word.

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El-lah
written by BBB , October 11, 2011
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Abdullah
written by Machmoed , October 11, 2011
It's all a circle. Bel/baal means Lord litterally, thus it's not a name. Allah is derived from Al Ilah meaning the Lord thus not a name. La ilaha illa llaah means litterally, there is no Lord except the Lord. How stupid can you be...it's not telling anything of sicnifigance. My point is they all are titles and not names. Hubal is the same as Baal/Bell in arabic. In origin they all are the same.

For Allah being a pagan God before islam is ofcourse a fact. His father Abdullah was a pagan and worshipped Allah. Allah didn't like what he was thus he changed or Muhammad changed this family deity to a universal one. AbdulUzza and abdulmanaat is also a name wich parents gave to their children.
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2 BBB
written by Machmoed , October 11, 2011
Notice that EL is the synonym and for Yahweh, not IL. IL is found in the name Allah who is "AL-ILAH" and not "AL-ELAH".

I'm sorry to correct you on this one but you're wrong about this. It's about pronounciation in these matters. Illah is the same as Elai. The pronouncation of both Ae the same I and E are pronounced the same in Hebrew and Arabic. In the oldest qurán manuscripts there is no Allah as much as today. Allah was named HUWA (Ya(hova)) wich means litterally He. In the bible we see this He a lot. Allah of the arabs has much in common with Jahova/yhwh and less with the christian God aka J.C. but the conclusion of the most truthfull individuals would say they all differ in characteristics wich shows the locality of these desert-Gods.

The writing would be better if it wasn't written from a political/religious point of view.
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written by vbv , October 11, 2011
Actually it is an old story. Everyone knows that this imaginery spook "Allah" was actually a pagan god before mad Muhamad invented 'islam' for fulfilling his lecherous and political intents. Muhamad just put this spook on the lonely forlorn pedastal( monotheism is a dreary,despotic,selfcentred hatemongering violent cult) that was occupied by 'Yahweh' of the jews and christians. Allah's fellow gods/godesses were all systematically eliminated to emulate 'Yahweh' as the monotheistic monster.Allah was the tribal deity of Muhamad's clan,hence this spook became the sole spook to occupy the monotheistic throne ,while others were unceremoniously and mercilessly eliminated to suit Muhamad's design of an fascist cult. Infact all fascist monsters like Hitler, Mao,Stalin, Mussolini, or Genghis Khan,or Saddam Hussain,PolPot,Gadaffi, Asad,etc all draw their inspiration from the monotheistic monsters like Yahweh or Allah. And Muhamad is the prime ,if not the first, example of this montheistic crap of intolerence, bigotry, hatred and unmitigated violence to stay in absolute and unquestioned power. All our human problems and wars emanate from these monotheistic cults which has a" if-you-are-not-with-us-you-are-against-us-hence-youdont-deserve-to-live" syndrome.
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Jake
written by aaki , October 11, 2011
Robert morey theories are ignorant!

And from among [God's] signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon.  Do not bow down in worship to the sun or to the moon, but bow down to the God (Allah) who created them, if it is truly Him you serve.  (Quran, 41:37)

Your Lord is God (Allah), who created the heavens and earth in six Days, then established Himself on the throne; He makes the night cover the day in swift pursuit; He created the sun, moon, and stars to be subservient to His command; all creation and command belong to Him. Exalted be God, Lord of all the worlds!  (Quran, 7:54)

It is He (God) who made the sun a lamp, and the moon a light. (Quran, 10:5)

It is God (Allah) who raised up the heavens with no visible supports and then established Himself on the throne; He has subjected the sun and the moon each to pursue its course for an appointed time; He regulates all things… (Quran, 13:2)

It is God (Allah) who raised up the heavens with no visible supports and then established Himself on the throne; He has subjected the sun and the moon each to pursue its course for an appointed time; He regulates all things… (Quran, 13:2)

When is the Day of Resurrection?  (Say:) When the eyes are dazzled, and the moon becomes dark, and the sun and the moon are fused together, then on that Day will man exclaim: “Where can I escape?” (Quran, 75:6-10)
The Hour draws near and the moon is rent asunder. (Quran, 54:1)

It is God (Allah) who created the heavens and the earth, who has sent down water from the sky and with it brought forth produce to nourish you.  He has made ships subservient to you, sailing the sea by His command, and the rivers as well.  He made the sun and the moon subservient to you, constant in their courses.  He has made the night and the day subservient to you… (Quran, 14:32-33)
By his command, [God] has made the night and the day, the sun, moon, and stars all subservient to you. (Quran, 16:12)

God created the moon!
NOT god is the moon, idiot!












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oops my bad roddy!!! Not jake
written by aaki , October 11, 2011
wrong Newman
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to aki
written by vbv , October 11, 2011
Allah 'created' everything in six days before settling down on his throne! 'Six days' when sun was yet to be 'created' by this spook Allah. What a joke! Only morons, absolute nuts would believe in such bullshits.
Where was this Allah resting his arse on before he 'created' everything?
If there was nothing at all before this spook 'created' anything at all ,on what plane/plain was he living on? If there was such a place like 'heaven' ,who created it? Did Allah exist before that? Was there space? then who created this space? Then who created the creator of this space, and the creator who created the creator of this space,.....and so on ad infinitum.
Basically Quran is stupid ,so also all other socalled "holybooks". All 'created' by stone age barbarians, conmen who wanted absolute power over the laity and ofcourse loads and loads of money and wealth. No socalled religion or their institutions or their clergy/godmen can ever survive without money and wealth. So god /clergy is slave to money,gold,land, wealth to con poor people and oppress them. This is god and religion.Fit only to be trashed into oblivion.
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Moon God?
written by The Great Buana , October 11, 2011
The evolution of Allah from a moon god to an universal god is nothing special. There is much evidence that judaism was polytheistic in ancient times, and that it became henotheistic and then monotheistic much later. In buddhist countries, many local gods became bodhisatvas and in christianity, christian saints. Even in sufistic islam, hindu gods or african gods became muslim saints and so forth. And we must understand that many traditions are invented and that history took place in a very different manner. Isaiah for example was written BEFORE the Torah which in turn is only an invention of a history that tokk never place. The Quran is drawing from this invented tradition and reinvents some additonal "facts" as well. We know that confucian historians did the same in China and even in the mesoamerican Maya-culture, we can discover similar tendencies as well as in buddhist traditions. Without referring to ancient gods, prophets or saints, there was no authority in ancient times.
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ikii The Yorkshire prophet
written by duh_swami , October 11, 2011
The Quran is full of nonsense iiki...I know it's hard to get this through your thick skull, but just because the Quran says it, it don't necessarily make it so...

The article is correct...Allah is SIN, the moon god of ancient Chaldea...One meaning of 'chaldee' is demon...UR means light, so UR of the Chaldees, meant 'light of the demons'...The inhabitants of the city practiced magic even on household levels...There were demons and gods attached to most everything...The chief god was SIN the moon god...The article is also correct that the sun god was rejected because it is too harsh...Also the sun god was the enemy of water, a commodity in short supply, while the moon has everything to do with water, and is water friendly...SIN is an example of what is called the 'peter principle' which is to elevate someone to the level of their incompetence...
Mohammad elevated (promoted) SIN to the level of his incompetence and renamed him Allah...
What ever happened to Al-Rahman anyway?
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to Aki (Hello Again)
written by Mohammad.A.Khan , October 11, 2011
Hello again! Aki you said, "God created the moon!
NOT god is the moon, idiot! "

Where this Allah name has come from, or in other words, what is the origination of the name of Allah?

you will have a nice day(but after leaving islam and follow me as a true messenger)

Mohammad.A.Khan
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The god of Islam is not the God of the Bible
written by Walter Sieruk , October 11, 2011
With this article in mind it should be repeated that the God of the Bible is not the same god as the god of Islam. To explain this statement it should be known that in the passing of time it has become wildy accepted that the word Allah is just the Arabic word for God. This started when truth compromising Bible "translators" substitued the word Allah where the word God should have been used in the Arabic tranaltion of the Bible. Furthermore, in the glossary in the book ASSASSINS! by Dr. Hsha Lung defines Allah as the "Pre-Islamic Lunar god: god of Islam." Likewise, the book INSIDE ISLAM by Reza F. Safa on pages 22,23. reads "In pre-Islamic times Allah-worship and Baal -worship involved the worship of the sun, the moon and the stars. which defines them as astral religions. [Astral religions are condemned in the Bible: Second Kings 21:3,5. 23:5. Chronicles 33:5.]
The cresent moon , which war the symbol of moon worship is also the symbol of Islam." In short, the god of Islam is not the God of the Bible.

The above words in the brackets are my own. Moreover, the above truth is further exposed in the books WHO IS THIS ALLAH by G.J.O.Moshay, UNVEILING ISLAM by Ergun Mehmet Caner and Emir Fethi Caner, THE ISLAMIC INVASION by Robert Morey, PHILISTINE by Ramon Bennett.
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Walter is correct!
written by aaki , October 11, 2011
The god of islam is the same as the god of Moses.
Certainly not the 3 gods the Christians worship!
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To aaki
written by Mohammad.A.Khan , October 11, 2011
what lings says about Allah?
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aaki
written by Javad , October 11, 2011
You wrote:
The god of islam is the same as the god of Moses.
Certainly not the 3 gods the Christians worship!

Tha above shows your wowfully ignorant level of knowledge and understanding of christianity. They never equal YAHW and alah nor do they worship three gods. Repeating mohamad's ignorance only makes YOU doubly ignorant. Before attacking something LEARN its basics, otherwise YOU will die an ignorant moslem; in itself an apt description of a follower of mohamad the paedophile and his pimping alah.
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Mr khan
written by aaki , October 11, 2011
What does thomas Carlyle say????
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javad
written by aaki , October 11, 2011
Stop getting your panties in a twist!
You pick up my deliberate silly comment but you are quite happy for Walters dribble?
hyppocrite!
He quoted ergun mehmet caner- that fake ex Muslim!
The guy who has been fired by his own minestry!
I think machmoed and fineliving are Arabic natives. Get them to watch just 5 mins of caner on you tube and verify his Arabic quotes!
Morey has been destroyed in the academic sphere for being a charlatan.
You didn't have the moral courage to say anything about that javad!!
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allah the moon god idol
written by dsds , October 11, 2011
Your Lord is God (Allah), who created the heavens and earth in six Days,...

allah is not trinity, tell us HOW stupid allah created, don't just talk cock. stupid idiot just said allah cteated this and that.

allah is an idol, idol can't create.
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written by Reed Wilson. , October 12, 2011
Roddy Newman. My God's name is Allah who is اللَّـهَ رَبِّي وَرَبَّكُمْ
my lord and your lord. He says in Quran:
وَسَخَّرَ لَكُمُ الشَّمْسَ وَالْقَمَرَ دَائِبَيْنِ ۖ وَسَخَّرَ لَكُمُ اللَّيْلَ وَالنَّهَارَ

"And subjugated the sun and moon for you so that they perform their tasks diligently; and subdued the night and day for your service." (14:33)

وَسَخَّرَ لَكُمُ اللَّيْلَ وَالنَّهَارَ وَالشَّمْسَ وَالْقَمَرَ ۖ وَالنُّجُومُ مُسَخَّرَاتٌ بِأَمْرِهِ ۗ إِنَّ فِي ذَٰلِكَ لَآيَاتٍ لِّقَوْمٍ يَعْقِلُونَ

"He has subjected for you the night and the day and the sun and the moon and the stars have also been made subservient by His command. In this there is evidence of the truth for people of understanding." (16:12)

The one you refer as "Allah Was Originally a Pre-Muslim Arabian “Moon God” is not creator of everything including moon and who has subjected sun and moon to us.


And subjugated the sun and moon for you so that they perform their tasks diligently; and subdued the night and day for your service. (33)
Do you see how all things in heavens and the earth, the sun, the moon, the stars, the mountains, trees and beasts, and men in abundance, pay homage to God? Yet there are many who deserve the punishment. And whosoever God disgraces will have none to raise him up in honor. God does verily as He will. (22:18)
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written by Reed Wilson. , October 12, 2011
Roddy Newman. Sorry. I didnt deliberately repeat in my above post.
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Reed
written by duh_swami , October 12, 2011
Do you see how all things in heavens and the earth, the sun, the moon, the stars, the mountains, trees and beasts, and men in abundance, pay homage to God?

Only man pays homage to god...only man is that foolish...Some men believe Allah is god because some men are foolish...there is no such thing as a foolish tree or mountain range...Paying homage involves thinking, maybe gratitude and appreciation...No mountain range has those abilities...
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iiki...strikes out
written by duh_swami , October 12, 2011
'You pick up my deliberate silly comment but you are quite happy for Walters dribble?
hyppocrite!'

You make silly comments? No kidding...

Walter does not post dribble, he posts standard Christian fare...Do you think Christian philosophy is dribble? A silly question really, of course you think Christianity is dribble...And you are bigoted enough to think you are right...

hyppocrite! Spelled like a true Yorkshirian would spell it...
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To aaki
written by Mohammad.A.Khan , October 12, 2011
Aaki son, this is not answer to my question. First you reply to my answer in a proper way that what is the origination of the name of Allah and what lings says about it, then we will talk what Carlyle say. But if you don't know answer to my question then simply sorry to me, I will accept your apology and we will continue from what Carlyle says. I give u my words.

You will have a good day(but after leaving Islam and follow me as a true messenger)

Mohammad.A.Khan

P.S. BTW, why did you started to add additional 'a' with your name aki?
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Hitler, Stalin & Muhammad
written by C"H" Martel , October 12, 2011
My book, "Satan's Trinity: Hitler, Stalin & Muhammad," will be available within the month and one may pre-order at http://www.satanstrinity.wordpress.com/ For the first time in history "HSM" appear together on a book cover. The idea behind the book is to make headway against the ludicrous idea that Muhammad should be conjoined with any religious leader/founder. Once this comparison, driven by actual names, has been made then it must be attacked. Once the attack has been launched then the attackers will be forced to defend their attack. Since the attack is indefensible then the "religion" Muhammad (if he existed) founded will begin to be viewed as the scam it is. This book has been written under the principle of KISS. And nothing is simpler to understand than Hitler and Stalin…..and now, Muhammad. Thank you for your time.......C"H"Martel
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written by Reed Wilson. , October 12, 2011
duh_swami. "Do you see how all things in heavens and the earth, the sun, the moon, the stars, the mountains, trees and beasts, and men in abundance, pay homage to God?

This was not the point under discussion.
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Muhammad.A.khan
written by fineliving56 , October 12, 2011
Aaki is the same Aki we have known and was zapped for his usual famous Islamic gruffness ..the same gruffness that Muslims display, every day and it is well known to all people in the world …
The latest is the plot to kill the Saudi ambassador in Washington by using the drug Cartels to accomplish that …only a Muslim mind that detests other Muslim minds, well think of something this evil.
you know about great mind think alike, except in case of some Muslims ….they are skewed up minds
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to fine
written by Mohammad.A.Khan , October 12, 2011
Yes I know who Aaki or aki is. from his postings I have guessed that he is from Australia. But again, we all know most of Muslims lie and they cant be trusted at all.

have a nice day!

Mohammad.A.Khan
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Reed
written by duh_swami , October 12, 2011
This was not the point under discussion.

Since you brought it up, it was a point of discussion, and still is...

There is something wrong when tree's and mountain ranges are smarter than men...
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M.a.Khan
written by fineliving56 , October 12, 2011
So Aki is an Australian muslim …that is knew to me …
How did you know that ?..did he use a term only Australians use?
I do not mean to gossip …but I like to know what kind of Muslim I am talking to …as we all know, there is so many.

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to fine
written by Mohammad.A.Khan , October 12, 2011
Yes, he used a term and my mind clicked that he can be surely from Australia. since I am in corresponding with him, I just picked-up a term he used, that is in my knowledge, Australians use. Actually my brother who lives in sydney, once he told me about that.

Mohammad.A.Khan
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M.A.Khan
written by fineliving56 , October 12, 2011
thanks for that…

What I picked up from his posts... he likes to use, under belt, terms which coming out of frustration of defending Islam ….He fails to understand that there is impossibility to accomplish that, with all the mounting and ever increasing proves of the lie…. { Islam/Allah/muhammad/Quran, all one and the same}
He does not know that there is so many holes in his and other Muslim worshipers arguments, that it becoming to look like a strainer.

Have a nice day to you too
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a-z of Why Allah is Moon god Idol
written by Clement -Islam-watch Pastor , October 12, 2011

A.–Allah was one of gods worships in Mecca before Mohammed wrapped it in the image of Yahweh the God of the Jews and Christians. This is from the testimony of the Quran and Hadiths

B.– Black stones was worship and reverence as a god among the pantheons of Mecca before Islam
C.–Converts are made by force of sward not persuasion and reasoning. Corner stone of Ka’aba the cube shrine of Allah was an idol and has nothing to do with Gabriel Abraham and Ishmael building it
D.–Divining arrows were used to decide the faith of Mohammed‘s father Abdulah – the slave of Allah in ka’aba and demons are disciples Allah through the preaching of Quran. Wonderful!
E.–Examine every scripture whether Jewish or Christian in the light of what the Quran says any thing outside that is false and anyone who leaves Islam kill him. Is it not satanic?
F.– Faith must be exercised on one Idol- Allah only and not any other. Fight for him and his apostle to be sure of heaven. Can you believe this?
G.–Goddess associated with Allah like al-lat, al-luza and Ma’nat must be destroyed. Does it matter I if you worship one Idol or many idols?
H.–Hub bal the senior idol of kaa’ba must submit to Allah the supreme rock god of the kuraish the tribe of Mohammed. Hatred of all mankind is the major creed of the cult.
I.–Islam a religion of submission of all idols, jinns and humans to Allah the supreme rock god of the Kuraish tribe of Mecca of Saudi Arabia, Under the Arab imperialism.
J.–Jinns and demons profess Koran and Islam to be their religion. Can you believe this to be godly religion?
K.– Knowledge of other religions like Judaism and Christianity is enmity to Islam. You must remain ignorant of these true faith to remain loyal to Islam.
L.–Lives are to be sacrificed in fighting for Allah to guarantee paradise with Allah. One of the unwritten but the greatest Pillar of Islam.
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A_Z of Why Allah is Moon god Idol (M-U)
written by Clement -Islam-watch Pastor , October 12, 2011
M-Mohammed is the sole massager and partner of Allah, unlike the God of the Jews and Christians who has many prophets and Massagers to direct mankind to him with Jesus as the last and the final Messiah and Saviour.
N.– No freedom or right to question the stupidity of Allah compared to the True God of the Universe.
O.– Obedient to the cult ritual belief system is the supreme command and has nothing to do with morality or being humanistic
P.-Partnership with Allah the supreme Idol or personal relationship is forbidden except Mohammed the chief priest.
Q.-Quran the recitals of this idol call Allah was collated into a book from the oral tradition of many years after the death of its principal recital general, and the chief poet of the cult religion.
R.–Remember the Ramadan the holy month of the pagan to keep it holy, is one of the five pillars.
S.–Satan circulates in human like blood. Make sure his recitals agree with that of Allah the supreme rock god. Steeling is forbidden but not against unbelievers because their wealth are yours by right. can you believe this?
T.–Turn towards Kaa’ba when you pray because that is the dwelling place of Allah and will not hear you if turn to any other direction because he is not everywhere and cannot hear from any direction.
U.– Unbeliever in this cult belief system must be killed and wipe out to the last because Allah hate them
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A-Z of Allah is Moon god Idol (Y-Z)
written by Clement -Islam-watch Pastor , October 12, 2011
Y.–Yield your brain to the teaching of Quran only. No any other knowledge is necessary and remained ignorant.

Z.–Zip up your month and closed your eyes to all the evil in Islam. You must not question or leave but believing and the garden shall be yours. That is summary of cult/paganism of Islam. Rebuttal awaited if you want reference I can give you.
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Mr khan
written by aaki , October 12, 2011
You really do like to goad! Let's play along if it makes you happy.
Sorry about the late reply, I was throwing prawns on the barbie!
Australian????? Maybe Im a dame edna fan??? The extra a in username is because the powers that be banned me and restricted my ip address! I digress, the answer to your question Allah was the name given to the "chief" pagan god of the Meccans!
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www.irf.net
written by Farhan , October 12, 2011
La ilaha illAllah
Zakir Naikur Rasulullah.
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@ fineliving56
written by balam , October 13, 2011
About the Muslims one can only say that they are ALL SNAKES,SOME MORE POISONOUS THAN OTHERS.
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written by Machmoed , October 13, 2011
About the Muslims one can only say that they are ALL SNAKES,SOME MORE POISONOUS THAN OTHERS.

That's exactly what muslims say about jews. We know it is not true.
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Balam
written by fineliving56 , October 13, 2011
Sure, some snakes are more poisonous than others, just like there is violent muslims more then others ….
It seems, snakes do not kill until they are hungry and they have no choice but to kill to survive …that make them better then some muslims and non muslims who kill for greed,ideas and hate
I used think and say some muslims act like animals ….not anymore …animals
are better ... I am not saying this to demean, but to reflect on what actually happening every day.
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written by KK , October 13, 2011
read this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2048261/Christian-girl-12-kidnapped-raped-beaten-converted-Islam.html
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Just eye opening statistics about Allah's Quran …
written by fineliving56 , October 13, 2011
How many times, certain words were repeated in Quran…enjoy

the word, Allah, was mentioned is >> …1852 times ……No surprise …need to say more !
Man >> 868……no rocket sciences needed to figure out why is that, is the case.
Women >> 72 ….very low considering, women makes half of population, second class indeed
War >> 416 …again anyone surprised ?…after all Islam is the subject.
Evil >> 365 …...talking about evil brings evil …You think?
sin >> 202……well?
heaven >> 267 ….thanks for that!?
Hell >> 259 …no thanks for that !
Believers >> …259….lucky rascals.
Torture >> …163 ….Allah is so Merciful, the numbers do not lie.
Mercy >> …147 ….Less then Torture …no surprise, Quran is Islamic.
Non believers >> 117 …Islamic Obsession to get rid of them …they still do, after 1400 gone by!
Hate >> 81 ….high number from the self named, book of love!
love >> 77 …Low number from the self named book of love!
Death >> 69 ….thank goodness for that, if you are unlucky enough to born Muslim ^_^
Burn >> 41 …well , we are talking about Allah after all .
Quran >> 67 …surprised it is not more?
Israel >> 41 …high, for the most hated by Allah's Muhammad!
Muslim >> Only 11 …only 11 …low for the most loved by Allah!
Christian >> 14 ….What?…More then the word Muslim …strange!
Kufir >> 42 ..Low, considering, most people, are Kufirs, that is Allah's advanced thinking ability!
Goodness >> …11 …wow …ONLY 11 ?! ….and that from the goody …goody shoes…islam!

And now ….last but not least …
Muhammad was mentioned >> 5 times ….and ….Terror >> 5 times !
Poetic numbers? or Allah is a joker who wants to mess with us in deadly way!?

Numbers do not lie.



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To aaki
written by Walter Sieruk , October 13, 2011
What I keyboarded was that the god of Islam was NOT the same God as the God of the Bible. Learn how to read. Furthermore, Christians do not worship three gods but the One God of the Bible. He is One God in three Persons, To put it in another way within the essense of the One True God threr are three Persons, God the father , God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. The Tri-Personal Nature of God. In contrastthe the god of Islam which is a simple single thing. A pagan moon god. This is what is known as the Trinity.
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Admin
written by fineliving56 , October 13, 2011
I hope you bring back my post you just took away after you exam it, the statistics in Quran I wrote about are true ….
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written by Reed Wilson , October 13, 2011
KK.Sylhet, Sept 6 (UNB) - A British national was arrested from a hotel in the city today for alleged sexual torture on a minor boy.

Peter Alison who is in his early 50s was sent to prison when he was produced before the court.

Police said Peter was arrested from Hotel Metro International in the afternoon. Holding Brithish passport Peter said he came to Bangladesh to make a documentary film on the poor children of Bangladesh.

Ajoy Chandra Das, 12, who alleged torture was rescued from the hotel. Son of Adhir Chandra Das, the boy hailed from Habibpur Noapara in Sunmaganj.

Ajoy narrated his woes to the hotel manager who, in turn, informed the police. The boy said Peter kept him confined in the hotel room since September 3 and sexually tortured.

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TheGod of the Bible is a Trinty
written by Walter Sieruk , October 13, 2011
To make this clear the God of the Bible in my last posting is a Trinity NOT the pagan moon god. The last sentence I should I should have inserted what wKey boarding about the God of the Bible . Please Forgive my mistake.
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Jews: Same as Muslims.
written by Reed Wilson , October 13, 2011
Machmoed. "That's exactly what muslims say about jews. We know it is not true."

I am a Muslim I dont say all that. I say:

إِنَّ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَالَّذِينَ هَادُوا وَالنَّصَارَىٰ وَالصَّابِئِينَ مَنْ آمَنَ بِاللَّـهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَعَمِلَ صَالِحًا فَلَهُمْ أَجْرُهُمْ عِندَ رَبِّهِمْ وَلَا خَوْفٌ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلَا هُمْ يَحْزَنُونَ

The believers, the Jews, the Christians and the converts who believe in God and the Day of Judgment and strive righteously will receive their reward from the Lord and will have nothing to fear nor will they be grieved. (2:62)
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to Aaki (late is better than never)
written by Mohammad.A.Khan , October 13, 2011
Aaki son, your last post confirmed my guess that you are surely from Australia. When you write something to your foes or in area of enemies so don't ever let any even a slight clue that where are you from. The reason I am telling you is that you are very stupid person you do nothing but all the time mangle.

The difference between you and me is that I figured out that which continent you are from. This is the second time you used the term that makes sure you are from Australia. The other point is that I was same Muslim like you but I quit following Islam, but you are still stuck with that religion. Thats the difference I want to clarify it that you can never ever be Mohammad.A.Khan, whether you want it or not. I don't say who is superior or infererior, I will never say that. Only to let you know that there is a certain difference between you and me.

Well thanks for your reply that you posted, and you said, "...the answer to your question Allah was the name given to the "chief" pagan god of the Meccans!"

Well how do you know that Allah name given to the cheif pagan god of Mecca? And if it is true, then what is the authenticity of Allah as being god of Adam, Noah and Abraham and entire universe?

you will have a nice day(after leaving Islam and follow me as a true messenger)

Mohammad.A.Khan
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to Aaki,
written by Mohammad.A.Khan , October 13, 2011
Sorry Aaki, I have written my reply to you but it has been eaten up by admin. I am waiting until tomorrow, if he don't post it, I will reply back.

you will have a nice day(after leaving Islam and follow me as a true prophet)

Mohammad.A.Khan
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Allah :the pagan moon go
written by Walter Sieruk , October 13, 2011
The man Walid Shoebat was in times past a Muslim but after a long study of the Bible he became a Christian. No wonder Imams don't want their people to read the Bible. The doing so they might find out the truth and the truth will set them free.
Nevertheless, in his book WHY I LEFT JIHAD he wrote about this Allah, the god of Islam.
He wrote on pages 271-273. that "Islam's crescent moon, in reality stems from Babyloinia."and "Islam is simplly a revival of a Babyonian religion. The Moon god with the cresent moon and the star symple origianted in Babylon and was one of the 360 idols in the Kaaba before Muhammad destroyed them. In Babylon, the Moon god was called 'sin'." Further, he explained "The Arabic word for 'god is 'illah' and the Moon god became synonyous with 'al-llah' meaning 'the god;' pagan Arabia believed that the Moon god was the greatest of all the gods, hence the phrase 'Allahu Akbar' meaninbg 'allah is greater... The pagan Arabs used 'Allah' in naming their children. For example Muhammads father was called Abdullah, meaning "servent of Allah...Allah is a pre-Islamic name ...corresponding to the Babylonian god known as Bel. Bel simply means 'Lord ' and is the title of reverence to the moon-god 'Sin'...The Islamic calender is based on the lunar cycle, and may have revevance to Moon-god worship. In Arabia, he was known as 'Hubbell' al-Allah, 'the god.'"
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to Reed Wilson
written by Mohammad.A.Khan , October 13, 2011
Mr.Wilson, you have posted a verse from Quran 2:62. In this verse you Allah has clarified that whoever, whether christians, jews or sabeans bring faith in Allah, the judgement day and strive righteously, will get reward from him.

But on the other hand, your Muslim fellow, named Aaki, I asked him about the origination name of Allah, and he said, "...Allah was the name given to the "chief" pagan god of the Meccans!"

Who is right, either you or he?

you will have a nice day(but after leaving Islam and follow me as a true prophet)

Mohammad.A.Khan
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2Reed
written by Machmoed , October 13, 2011
Machmoed. "That's exactly what muslims say about jews. We know it is not true."

I am a Muslim I dont say all that.

Well Reed, the muslims i mean would kill you for denying sunnah and hadith. The verse you cited, was abrogated later and if it was not then what to do with other verses who call to fight the people of the book who do not believe.... etc. If the early muslims believed as you did, islam wouldn't be known to us as it does.
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scare-crows
written by dead or alive , October 13, 2011
manufactured by man to unite people in fear and hate towards others The straw man is coming to get us! Architects of fear.
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More lies!
written by Guy Macher , October 13, 2011
The "God" alluded to by the resident Muslim liar (forgive the redundancy!) is Allah not Jehovah. The verse means any one who believes in the Allah will have no reason to fear. It is typical lies from the greatest of liars Allah, the bum boy of the psychopath Mohamed.

The liar who posted the verse is devout and believes that Allah is smiling on him. Alas this puerile attempt to deceive people who have read the Koran and understand it perfectly as the doctrine of Satan, has not fooled us.
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Islam is such a joke, but muslims are not laughing, they are too busy killing in the name of that joke!
written by Pope Gregory VII , October 13, 2011
Any sane person who reads the quran can see how the manipulating Muhammad is getting alle the little stupid desertdwellers too do his dirty work, snatching him women, money, and killing those opponents who have become noisome to his highness the prophet of lust and greed.

And still muslims want us to take their cult seriously. And we do, muslims, but only because you kill people and must be stopped, not because your filthy religion in any way demands respect. Remember that!



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Corrections!
written by Pope Gregory VII , October 13, 2011
Not "alle" but "all"!

Not "too" but "to"!

Forgive me my spelling errors. ;-)
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written by MA Khan , October 13, 2011
Aaki son, your last post confirmed my guess that you are surely from Australia. When you write something to your foes or in area of enemies so don't ever let any even a slight clue that where are you from. The reason I am telling you is that you are very stupid person you do nothing but all the time mangle.

The difference between you and me is that I figured out that which continent you are from. This is the second time you used the term that makes sure you are from Australia. The other point is that I was same Muslim like you but I quit following Islam, but you are still stuck with that religion. Thats the difference I want to clarify it that you can never ever be Mohammad.A.Khan, whether you want it or not. I don't say who is superior or infererior, I will never say that. Only to let you know that there is a certain difference between you and me.

Well thanks for your reply that you posted, and you said, "...the answer to your question Allah was the name given to the "chief" pagan god of the Meccans!"

Well how do you know that Allah name given to the cheif pagan god of Mecca? And if it is true, then what is the authenticity of Allah as being god of Adam, Noah and Abraham and entire universe?

you will have a nice day(after leaving Islam and follow me as a true messenger)

Mohammad.A.Khan
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written by duh_swami , October 13, 2011
'If God causes all this suffering, he can't be good...If he is powerless to stop it, he can't be God'...Buddha...
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D.Swami
written by fineliving56 , October 13, 2011
Buddha …was right …that is why he is a Buddha

nature is cruel and sadistic with no care for pain of living beings …all we have to do is watch pack of hungry lions devour a life dear, where it dies the ugliest and most violent death.
I watched on NGEO, an alligator tries to eat a monkey who's with other monkey were fighting to get to the same drying small pond to drink …the Monkey got his head caught in the mouth of gator and somehow he got it free, only to have his arm caught …the struggle was painful to watch …but he got it free with his arm was hanging by flesh. that monkey found dead days later from his injuries.
To think a God that describes, IT self as merciful would let the monkey die, slow death for days with no way to reduce the pain …I mean if God wants to make monkeys as food for bigger animals, wouldn't at least let it not feel the pain.
We might understand, humen were being tested to show their faith in God and that is why they suffer pain of all kinds bodily and mentally ….
But why animals?
Why they are made to feel the pain and struggle for the meal that only happen when other animal has to die.
No real God would do that …only delusional people would think this way and they do know they are.
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Allah & Kingdom of God
written by Agust , October 14, 2011
Whatever you say, now I have been in the Kingdom of God which has been your dream. See in http://ishamerdeka.blogspot.com - Kingdom of God : the dream of every Christian who has been enjoyed by Muslims. Follow me ....... please!
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written by Machmoed , October 14, 2011
And human said: there will be God, my god and everyone has to submitt to it....and there was Allah.
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to Aaki
written by Mohammad.A.Khan , October 14, 2011
My last post is refered to you. You can see and read it and we can go further along way from here.

Mohammad.A.Khan
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Mr khan
written by aaki , October 14, 2011
You never fail to amuse. A blaggart of the highest calibre. Read your own post back to your self. Talk about self love. Do you do anything during the day or do you just look in the mirror. Again you couldn't be more wrong if you tried.
I've already told swami where i'm from. For your info I do not see you as an adversary or anything like that. I'm happy to give the info because you don't mean anything!
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The God of the Bible, in contrast the the god of the Quran, the moon god
written by Walter Sieruk , October 14, 2011
To be even a more clear then before. When a Muslim says that Christians worship the same God as the god the Muslims worship is a false claim. For the Christians worship the God Who is aTrinity. In Contrast, the Muslims worship a god that is a simple single thing,a moon god. Therefore, It is not the same God they believe in. Moreover, the claim by some Muslims that Christians worship three gods or three gods in one is also a false claim and a strawman argumant. For by the Trinity it means that with in the esense of the One God there are three Distinct Persons- God the Father ,God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Three distinct Persons in One God. The tri-personsl natural of God.
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Allah & Kingdom of God
written by Agust , October 14, 2011
O people, have mercy on yourself. Think about the rational use of reason which Allah Ta’ala has bestowed. Do not fool yourself and emotional in the search for the true God.
Revert, return to Islam, because:
Every baby born in a state of fitrah (Islam), then the second person that his parents made him Jewish, Christian, or Zoroastrian. (Narrated by al-Bukhari: 1358; Muslim: 2658; Ahmad: II/233).
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to Aaki
written by Mohammad.A.Khan , October 14, 2011
I don't need to read my own post. Dude, I just told you the truth. I give a damn where you live or not. Only I tried to guess the terminology you use. When a cop or detective ask you suspensive questions, do you tell them teh same thing, that they need to see mirrors or they are fell in love with selves? Is this your caliber?

On the other side, I don't need to see the mirror. probably you need to see it, while you have to go to take a whiz. When schmuck like you and Reed Wilson hit here, so both of you start to taste, Sugar, Honey, Ice, Tea. LOL! YOUR PRESENCE HERE IS NOTHING LESS THAN A FUGMO anyways.

Well in the last, you eejit, look at your statement about your Allah, that you call him a god, while you said it was pagan chief god this name was given by meccans. After this, with what authanticity or proof you have to prove that Allah is the god of Abraham? This is my final question to you. After this, as i already given you my words, we will discuss what Carlyle says about Allah. If you are interested in. But I don't think so that you will talk about what Carlyle says about Allah, because I think you got a clue that you have fallen in to a big trouble.

You will have a nice day(but after leaving Islam and follow me as a true prophet)

Mohammad.A.Khan
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To Agust
written by Archpagan , October 14, 2011
Every man is born on this earth as Pagan. However, some of them get baptized/ Sunnatized to some faiths. So, I invite you to go back to the natural faith you were born into before your sunnat.
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Mr khan
written by aaki , October 14, 2011
Stop it you're killing me here! So you see your self as a cop or a superdetective???
What's a FUGMO??? You lost me there!
Mr k let me clear your confusion! You can go ahead and call god susan If you like.
The attributes of god are in his names and qualities. The Quran tells you of him!
All those names and attributes are one and the same of adam, Abraham, Moses and Noah!
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Mr k
written by aaki , October 14, 2011
Correction:
the same qualities of the god of Adam Abraham Moses and Noah!
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to Aaki
written by Mohammad.A.Khan , October 14, 2011
you said, "The attributes of god are in his names and qualities. The Quran tells you of him!
All those names and attributes are one and the same of adam, Abraham, Moses and Noah!"
and then you corrected,
"the same qualities of the god of Adam Abraham Moses and Noah! "

After your correction, you made a very big confusion. see how stupiditly you have mingled Muslims god with the god of Abraham, Moses, and Noah. Just ponder again over this sentense, "the same qualities of the god of Adam Abraham Moses and Noah". It means that Muslims have another god whos credentials and qualities are as same as the god of Abraham, Moses and etc... Well that is one point.

the other point is that, you said, "The attributes of god are in his names and qualities. The Quran tells you of him!" But in one of your post you said Allah was the name given to the "chief" pagan god of the Meccans. So this sentense proves that you deny Allah was or is not the god of Abraham moses and etc...

After quiting Islam and before getting revelations, I was athiest. But since I recieved revelations from god Mautand, I have been chosen by god Mautand and he has attributed me as his messenger.

you will have a nice day (after you quit islam and follow me as a true messenger)

Mohammad.A.Khan
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to Aaki (FUGMO)
written by Mohammad.A.Khan , October 14, 2011
I would like to tell you about FUGMO, but on one condition, that if you believe me as a true messenger and recite kalima as below:

LA ILLAHA ILLA MAUTAND, MOHAMMAD.A.KHAN IS THE FINALE MESSENGER OF MAUTAND!
JAZAKALLAH

copy it and paste it in your post in order to get verified that you brought your faith upon me and my and your god Mautand.

the choice is yours.

Mohammad.A.Khan
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Mr khan
written by aaki , October 14, 2011
Don't play games! You know exactly what I meant. The god of Adam, the god of Abraham, the god of moses, the god of muhammed ( pbu them all) is the same god!
Is that clear enough for you!

again you seem to short circuit at a name. Like I said you can call him susan if you like. It doesn't change a damn thing.
His glory still remains, his attributes still remain and the Quran still remains!
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written by duh_swami , October 14, 2011
Oh well, fixed delusions are part of the Islamic game...

'His glory still remains, his attributes still remain and the Quran still remains!'

Anyone can say that kind of nonsense, but no one can prove it...
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to Aaki
written by Mohammad.A.Khan , October 14, 2011
Am I playing games or you are twisting words. No sir, I did understand from you that you have confessed the two different gods one of Muslims and the other one is of Jews, but anyways, we still have cards on the table to play.
you said that I can call any name for example god susan or xyz. But what, however, surprising and strange is that why your god xyz, used specifically his name as Allah in the quran chapter 2 verse 7

خَتَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَىٰ قُلُوبِهِمْ وَعَلَىٰ سَمْعِهِمْ ۖ وَعَلَىٰ أَبْصَارِهِمْ غِشَاوَةٌ ۖ وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ عَظِيمٌ

Calm down, I will post its translation in English, lest you will start to cry again that your Arabic is as weaker as other languages. LOL!

translation of Yousaf Ali

Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur). Quran 2:7

Whereas, you claimed that Allah was the name given to the "chief" pagan god of the Meccans. Why your god chose the name of diety of the polythiests in Mecca? Or it was Muhammad the son of abdullah and the false prophet, who mistakenly chose god among one of the idols of Quraish.
So who is playing games ?????
your statement doesn't make any sense dude, you are failed to give satisfactory answer. And now you are making excuses that it is our wish to call god susan or god sandra, LOL!!!

you will have a nice day(after leaving Islam and follow me as a true prophet)

Mohammad.A.Khan
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Reed
written by Mohammad.A.Khan , October 14, 2011
Where are you Reed? I just asked you a simple question, and you gone forever. did I offend you?
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written by Reed Wilson. , October 14, 2011
Mohammad.A.Khan. Your simple question was "But on the other hand, your Muslim fellow, named Aaki, I asked him about the origination name of Allah, and he said, "...Allah was the name given to the "chief" pagan god of the Meccans!" Who is right, either you or he?

Simple is relative MAK. Things appear to you simple may be otherwise for others. It was not 'on the other hand' also.

You quote RW and Mr. Aki. The judge should be you; other than both. Thanks for question anyway.

I am not offended in such matters specially when you dont intend to.
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written by aaki , October 14, 2011
"I did understand from you that you have confessed the two different gods one of Muslims and the other one is of Jews, but anyways, we still have cards on the table to play." don't talk rubbish as usual, read again
"The god of Adam, the god of Abraham, the god of moses, the god of muhammed ( pbu them all) is the same god!" how do you deduce that Muslims worship a different god from my statement above????
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Mr khan
written by aaki , October 14, 2011
Al-the, illah-god or diety
Allah- the god, singular, no gender, or plurals.
Best literal representation of "god"
Christian Arabs use the term Allah, Mizrahi Jews use the same term!
Allah is even mentioned in the guru Granth sahib.
Are they worshipping a moon god? No they are not.
Why the intellectual dishonesty, mr khan?
meimonedes, Augustine of hippo and the writings of al gazali are almost in agreement of the nature of god!!
Like I said you can call him sandra if you like it makes no difference
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To Aki
written by Archpagan , October 14, 2011
You have drawn the wrong inference- 'God created the moon!
NOT god is the moon, idiot!' It should have been -' It's all plagiarism idiot!'

If God of Muhammad is the same as God of the Jews, why do you follow the counterfeit one. Follow the original. Mohammad A. Khan, the final messenger of Mautand has the same credential as Muhammad bin Abdullah al-Kafir, the final messenger of Allah. He(Mohammad A. Khan) has just one shortcomings, not being a child molester.

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How Muhammad's god created the universe, part 1
written by Yibel , October 15, 2011
Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together, before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? (Q.21:30)

The Qur'an views the universe as a sort of massive room, with the sky being the ceiling (Q.21:32) and the earth being the floor and all of Allah’s creations are housed between these two major components (Q.21:16). The Skies/Heavens (the blue dome visible during the daytime) is a solid structure (Q.2:22) perfectly designed and hand-built by Allah with no cracks in it (Q.50:6). The sky stands stable above the earth, supported by invisible pillars (Q.13:2). Except for the mercy of Allah, the sky would come crashing down on the Earth killing every one of us (Q.22:66).

As for the Sun, it rises from the eastern side of the earth and sets in its western side
and it sets somewhere in muddy water (Q.18:86). In the east, Allah put people to close to the rising sun, so they have burnt skin (Q.18:89). The Quran asserts that the only person to discover this was Zulquarnain, thought to be Alexander, The Great, also a great Muslim according to the Qur'an (Q.18:86).

The sun is not all that important, just a hot thing in the daylight sky. It is rain alone (Allah sends down water from the Sky and forthwith the earth turns green Q.22:63) that causes plants to grow (Allah does not know anything about chlorophyll and
photosynthesis).

The movement of the sun is not in an orbit (madar means orbit and the Quran never uses this word), but in a path/falak that starts in the east and ends in the west, between the two horizons, as anyone can plainly see!!!

Muhammad further adds to our knowledge about the sun, by stating that the sun actually prostrates to Allah, and rests under his throne (which is, of course, high above the seven skies) during the night while worshiping Allah in order to get permission to rise again the next day. In other words, the sun does not continue its path around the earth, and is never under the earth or on the other side of the earth, at any time. (Actually, according to the Qur'an, there are seven earths, one on top of the other like stacked carpets or beds).
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How Muhammad's god created the universe, part 2
written by Yibel , October 15, 2011
Allah created his earth as the flat floor of the universe and the Quran says so using all the words in the Arabic vocabulary which can possibly mean flat. The Quran describes the flatness of the earth’s surface:

Note even how the earth has been flattened out (sutehat)? (Q.88:20)

And Allah has laid the earth for you as a carpet (bisata). (Q.71:19)

And He it is who hath outstretched (madda) the earth, and placed on it the firm mountains (Q.13:3)

And the earth have WE spread out (madadnaha, from madda). (Q.15:19)

What, have they not beheld heaven above them, how we have built it, and decked it out fair, and it has no cracks? And the earth -- We laid out like a bed (madadnaha) stretched it forth… (Q.50:6-7)

Who made the earth a bed (firasha) for you, and the heaven a roof. (Q.2:22)

And the earth we have spread out (farashnaha, from firasha), and how excellently do we spread it out! (Q.51:48)

...the One who has laid out the earth as a flat bed (mahdan) for you. (Q.20:53)
...has made for you the earth (mahdan/flat bed) like a carpet spread out (Q.43:10)
Have We not made the earth as a (Mihada) bed, And the mountains as pegs (Q.78:6)

By the heaven and that which built it and by the earth and that which flattened (tahaha) it! (Q.91:5-6)

And He it is Who spread (madda) the earth and made in it firm mountains and rivers, and of all fruits He has made in it two kinds; He makes the night cover the day; most surely there are signs in this for a people who reflect. (Q.13:3 Shakir)

Now the Sky is a sort of canopy overhead and is decorated with the stars/lanterns during the night which are useful in navigation. Originally, Allah created only one Sky, but after He finished the earth’s creation (including everything in it) He turned His attention to the Sky and made it seven skies. He did that in two days (Q.2:29). Out of the seven skies, only the bottom one has stars for decoration, the moon and the sun.

The Quran views the seven earths as an equal, but opposite to, the seven skies/heavens. (Some Muslims claim that Allah meant the seven layers of earth, which cannot be true because the Quran says similar earths.) It took Allah four days (Q.41:10) to put the right amount of goodness in the earth to make it suitable for habitation. Allah's earth floats on water in a similar way a ship does. This causes a dangerous degree of instability which Allah corrected by throwing down (alka) mountains like anchors to stablize it.

Therefore the Mountains were not originally part of the Earth, but were later additions.The Quran refers to the mountains as anchors (rawasya) in the following verses: 13:3, 15:19, 16:15, 21:31, 27:61, 31:10, 41:10, 50:7, and 77:27.
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How Muhammad's god created the universe, part 3
written by Yibel , October 15, 2011
The following are traditions purported to be from Muhammad and his companions such as Ibn Abbas, Muhammad’s cousin, considered to be one of the most
knowledge individuals:

Allah has spread out or flattened the earth on the back of a great fish (or whale).
Allah created mountains to keep the earth from shaking due to the movement of the fish.
The fish is floating in some extra-terrestrial water.
The water is upon a rock.
This rock is on the back of an angel.
The angel himself is standing upon a rock.
This other rock is supported by wind which is neither in the heavens nor the earth!

Other traditions say that the great fish is underneath the seventh earth.
On the fish’s back there is a rock the size of the heavens and earth.
There is an bull upon this rock having 40,000 horns!
Furthermore, this bull supports all the seven earths upon its back!
Other traditions say that the bull is supported by the fish.
There is a sea above the seventh heaven.
Finally, above this seventh heaven there are eight mountain goats!

There can be no doubt that the author(s) of the Quran, the first Muslims, and some of the earliest Muslim commentators, believed that the earth was flat. Furthermore, the evidence shows that the first Muslims held to erroneous and fanciful views of the cosmos that parallel Egyptian, Mesopotamian, Greek and Indian myths and fables.

Now contrast the above with the simplicity of the Holy Bible:

"He (YHVH) stretches out the north over the void and hangs the earth on nothing." Job 26:7
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How Muhammad's god created the universe, continued
written by Yibel , October 15, 2011
And the earth was tossed about with its inhabitants like a ship, so Allah sent down an angel of extreme magnitude and strength and ordered him to slip beneath the earth and bear it up on his shoulders. He stretched forth one of his hands to the East and the other to the West and took hold of the earth from end to end (Note: this presumes that the earth is flat).

However, there was no foothold for him, so Allahcreated from an emerald a square rock, in the middle of which were seven thousand holes. In each hole there was a sea, description of which is known only to Allah. And He commanded the rock to settle beneath the angel’s feet.

The rock, however, had no support, so Allah created a great bull with forty thousand heads, eyes, ears, nostrils, mouths, tongues and legs and commanded it to bear the rock on its back and on its horns. The name of the bull is al-Rayyan.

As the bull had no place to rest its feet, Allah created a huge fish, upon which no one may gaze because it is so enormous and had so many eyes. It is even said that if all the seas were placed in one of its gills, they would be like a mustard seed in the desert. This fish God commanded to be a foothold for the bull, and it was done. The name of this vast fish is Bahamut (Arabic) and is sometimes described as having a head resembling a hippopotamus or elephant (from an Egyptian creation myth).

Then He made its resting place the waters, beneath which is the air, and beneath the air is the Darkness, which is for all the earths. There, beneath the Darkness, the knowledge of created things ends. (Translated by Wheeler M Thackston Jr. from Great Books of the Islamic World, Inc., Distributed by Kazi Publications; Chicago, IL 1997, pp. 8-10)
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written by Yibel , October 15, 2011
This next tradition is taken from Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allah al-Kisa’i’s book Qisas al-
Anbiya (Tales of the Prophets):

Kaab al-Ahbar said: When Allah wished to create the dry land, He commanded the wind to churn up the waters. When they had become turbulent and foamy, waves swelled and gave off vapor. Then Allah commanded the foam to solidify, and it became dry. In two days he created the dry land on the face of the waters, as He hath said: Say, do ye indeed disbelieve in him who created the earth in two days? (41:9). Then He commanded these waves to be still, and they formed the mountains, which He used as pegs to hold down the earth, as He hath said: And we placed stable mountains on the earth lest it should move with them (21:31). Were it not for
the mountains, the earth would not have been stable enough for its inhabitants. The veins of these mountains are connected with the veins of Mount Qaf, which is the range that surrounds the earth.

Then Allah created the seven seas. The first is called Baytush and surrounds the earth from behind Mount Qaf. Behind it is a sea called Asamm, behind which is a sea called Qaynas, behind which is a sea called Sakin, behind which is a sea called Mughallib, behind which is a sea called Muannis, behind which is a sea called Baki, which is the last. These are the seven seas, and each of them surrounds the sea before it. The rest of the seas in which are creatures whose number only God knows, are like gulfs to these seven.

Allah created sustenance for all these creatures on the fourth day, as He hath said: And he provided therein the food of the creatures designed to be the inhabitants thereof, in four days; equally, for those who ask (41:10).
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As for the seven earths: Muhammad's fanciful creation myth continues thus
written by Yibel , October 15, 2011
The first earth is called Ramaka, beneath which is the Barren Wind, which can be bridled by no fewer than seventy thousand angels. With this wind Allah destroyed the people of Ad (mentioned numerous times in the Qur'an). The inhabitants of Ramaka are a nation called Muwashshim, upon whom is everlasting torment and divine retribution.

The second earth is called Khalada, wherein are the implements of torture for the inhabitants of Hell. There dwells a nation called Tamis, whose food is their own flesh and whose drink is their own blood.

The third earth is called Arqa, wherein dwell mulelike eagles with spearlike tails. On each tail are three hundred and sixty poisonous quills. Were even one quill placed on the face of the earth, the entire universe would pass away. The inhabitants thereof are a nation called Qays, who eat dirt and drink mothers' milk.

The fourth earth is called Haraba, wherein dwell the snakes of Hell, which are as large as mountains. Each snake has fangs like tall palm trees, and if they were to strike the hugest mountain with their fangs it would be leveled to the ground. The inhabitants of this earth are a nation called Jilla, and they have no eyes, hands or
feet but have wings like bats and die only of old age.

The fifth earth is called Maltham, wherein stones of sulphur hang around the necks of infidels. When the fire is kindled the fuel is placed on their breasts, and the flames leap up onto their faces, as He hath said:
The fire whose fuel is men and stones (2:24), and Fire shall cover their faces (14:50). The inhabitants are a nation called Hajla, who are numerous and who eat each other.

The sixth earth is called Sijjin. Here are the registers of the people of Hell, and their works are vile, as He hath said: Verily the register of the actions of the wicked is surely Sijjin (83:7). Herein dwells a nation called Qatat, who are shaped like birds and worship Allah truly.

The seventh earth is called Ajiba and is the habitation of Iblis. There dwells a
nation called Khasum, who are black and short, with claws like lions. It is they who will be given dominion over Gog and Magog, who will be destroyed by them.

Is this stuff mind boggling, or what?

The Bible has this to say about YHVH:
"It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like
grasshoppers; it is he who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in;" Isaiah 40:22
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@Yibel
written by Mozlem , October 15, 2011
All this could make a nice article.
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written by duh_swami , October 15, 2011
The authors of the Bible understood the symbolism they were writing about, and they wrote it for others who understood it...
Today, there are some who agree that the symbolism exists, but few who understand it...The main stream Bible and Quran believers prefer to believe in the supernatural, rather than the scientific...
The Bible has complicated and semi complicated symbolism...
The Quran has little or no symbolism because neither Gabriel nor Mohammad knew about it...All descriptions of of universal creation in Quran are simplistic explanations of concepts from the Bible stories Gabriel and Mohammad heard of but were ignorant of details...So when you don't know the details, make some up...and that is exactly what Mohammad and friends did...They/He made up the details...These strange details may have worked well on the simple minded of the day, but today there are computers, and there is the internet...The strange and invented Islamic science and theories of the heavens, won't stand up to intelligent people with a computer...
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Yibel
written by dead or alive , October 15, 2011
Do you know what you just said?How does little guy like me get to meet this God YHVH?
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Mr khan
written by aaki , October 15, 2011
you gone on vacation? Is that it?
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Dead or alive
written by aaki , October 16, 2011
You see yhvh everywhere. The god of war!
You see his inscriptions on US sniper rifles!
You see his inscriptions on US missiles and drones.
You see his work described by the terrible term "collateral damage"
yhvh is really busy in Iraq and Afghanistan!
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iiiki knows YHVH?
written by duh_swami , October 16, 2011
How is this possible when you have not even read the Bible?...You are simply making outrageous and uninformed opinions...again...

'You see his inscriptions on US sniper rifles!'

You have seen USA sniper rifles with YHVH inscriptions? Liar...You know of no such thing...

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Duh, ignorant as usual
written by aaki , October 16, 2011
Here is a video about "Jesus rifles" and bible grenades

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1ecAWXRgcE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Here is an ABC news reporting it:

http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=9575794

what you have to say now you tit?

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To Yibel
written by dead or alive , October 16, 2011
Is the symbol of YHVH,the six pointed star?
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iiki knows nothing first hand..
written by duh_swami , October 16, 2011
I don't go to any links offered by a Muslim or any Islamic sympathizer...Especially dead ones...Youtube video's can say anything they want, and ABC is a leftist rag, hardly credible sources...If there is evidence that some rifles or bombs had writing on them, it does not prove that it is official government policy...I saw a picture of a bomb with the name Ginger Lynn on it, a porn star...So what? That was not official government policy either...I would expect you to have eye witness testimony and as usual, you only cite dubious web sites...Even if YHVH is written on every grenade, how is that any worse than Muslims shouting Allahu Akbar while they murder someone?

You never did tell me where Obama was born...You also declined to answer just what US military basis are in foreign countries to get resources for pennies...What countries, what bases and what commodities for pennies? You can't seem to back up any of your assertions with facts...In guess there's something in the water in Yorkshire that makes you dizzy...Maybe you should switch to bottled water...
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To Aki
written by Archpagan , October 16, 2011
If there are Jesus rifle and Bible grenade, it's OK. You descendants of nincompoops adore Muhammad bin Kasim as the liberator from Hindu idolatry, now you should hail George Bush and Obama as liberator from the noose of Arabic enslavement designed by Muhammad the pedophile lecherous bandit.

Might is right. You people think Allah sided with Muhammad as he won battle after battle. Now the so-called favored people of Allah are lagging behind the rest of humanity in all respect. So, Allah has abandoned you now. Convert or perish.

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Run duh run!!
written by aaki , October 16, 2011
you don't watch videos or the news! Plonker!
That is a pathetic defence even from you!

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archpagan
written by aaki , October 16, 2011
I choose perish!
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iiki speaks, says nothing
written by duh_swami , October 16, 2011
you don't watch videos or the news! Plonker!

You assume too much idiot boy...That's not what I said...Where are your answers to my questions about your claims...You avoided them again...and again, and again...What about Muslims who shout Allahu Akbar while murdering people? You have nothing to say about that?...Does your silence indicate approval?
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to Aaki
written by Mohammad.A.Khan , October 16, 2011
This is a very beautiful sunny morning, just got up from the bed streched my arms and had sweet breakfast with a cup of hot tea. after that i saw your postings. Yesterday I couln't come online because i was outside. I think you were patinetly waiting for me.
you said, "...don't talk rubbish as usual,...."
Well I can understand your aggravation, the points that I posted for you is not an easy task to defend though. I don't blame you because you are not an Islamic scholar, because you confessed that your arabic is very weaker. Neither you nor your Arabic spoken Imam can defend my points, and as a result he would retort back same as you did, and will hurl the deluge of abuses at me. Because it is very common that when a guilty-one can't defend him or herself, they start to create panic. anyways.

now you said, that it doesn't matter to me that what I call your god either Susan or Sandra or xyz. But I have question. Look i am asking you a very straight question, and answer should be also in Yes or No. I don't want definition of my question just Yes or No.

The question if forexample, I want to convert back to Islam. Can I recite this Kalima (first basic Faith of Muslims)

Can I say, There is no god but Susan and Muhammad is the messenger of Susan?

Look I will remind you what you said to me, "Mr k let me clear your confusion! You can go ahead and call god susan If you like."
So I want answer in Yes or No. no definitions please.

You will have a good day(after leaving Islam and follow me as a true prophet)

Mohammad.A.Khan
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Susanism, the new religion
written by duh_swami , October 16, 2011

I have got a sweetie known as Susie
In the words of Shakespeare she's a "wow"
Though all of you may know her, too
I'd like to shout right now

Suzie has a perfect reputation
No one ever saw her on a spree
Nobody knows where Susie goes
Nobody knows but me

If you knew Susie, like I know Susie
Oh! Oh! Oh! What a girl
There's none so classy
As this fair lassie
Oh! Oh! Holy Moses, what a chassis

Susanu Akbar...


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written by Dwito , October 16, 2011
Folks, big boy is now busy searching U-tube for a suitable explanation, for his "yes" or "no" answer.
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Mr khan
written by aaki , October 16, 2011
your posts amuse me. I'm sure you can make it comedy.
Waiting "patinetly" for you! I wouldn't hold my breath. I think you are wrong again, your arguments are so childish and ignorant that I think "how can someone be so stupid". It's not your intellect but ignorance that can be testing. So put your ego back in your pants!
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Mr khan
written by aaki , October 16, 2011
You have to do better than a silly side step.
Al ilah the chief moon god attributes of "abc"
Allah god of Abraham attributes "xyz"
similar name but not the same thing. The name is inconcequential, the attributes are not! Is that simple enough for you?
Christian Arabs use the term Allah, Mizrahi Jews use the same term!
Allah is even mentioned in the guru Granth sahib.
Are they worshipping a moon god?
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Mr khan
written by aaki , October 16, 2011
The word "Allah" has been in use hundreds of years before islam!
The word Allah is found 2,685 times in the Quran.  Muhammad not invent the word.  In fact, it was the common word of address for God used by Arabic Christians centuries before Muhammad was born. Millions of Arabic-speaking Arab Christians still address God as Allah today…Christians called God Allah long before Muslims did.  (Timothy George, Is the Father of Jesus the God of Muhammad?, Ch.4)

“Arab Christians and Arabic-speaking Jews since long before the time of Muhammad have used the name ‘Allah’ to refer to God.” (Miroslav Volf, Allah: A Christian Response, p.82)

However the term Allah came into Arabic, we know from ancient inscriptions that Arabic-speaking Christians were using the [word] Allah before the rise of Islam…Even today, Allah is the Arabic name for God that is commonly used by Jews and Christians.
Bible scholar rick brown.




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Mr khan
written by aaki , October 16, 2011
Imad Shehadeh (2004), director of an Arab Christian seminary, notes the oldest extant Arab Christian translations of [Biblical] Scripture use allâh, and that this practice is documented from ancient times until the present. This fact is well exemplified in the essays in David Thomas (2006a), especially (Kachouh 2006). Shehadeh notes the total lack of evidence that anyone ever used the term allâh as the name of a moon god. Quoting Montgomery Watt, he says the claim that “Christians worship God and Muslims worship Allah” is as sensible as saying “Englishmen worship God and Frenchmen worship Dieu”.

Professor j Dudley Woodbury
Many missionaries branded so-called Muslim forms of worship and religious vocabulary as wrong, without knowing that virtually all quranic religious vocabulary, including the name “Allah,” and virtually all the forms of worship, except those specifically related to Muhammad, were used by Jews and/or Christians before they were used by Muslims.

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Mr khan
written by aaki , October 16, 2011
The hardest pre-Islamic evidence comes in the form of stone inscriptions that bear theophoric Arab names, i.e., Arabic names that incorporate a word for deity. The word one finds most often in the surviving inscriptions is ’lh, pronounced [ałłâh], and sometimes the shortened or Hebraic form, ’l. There is no evidence for a significantly different term for God used in place of this, such as Greek theos or Hebrew adonai or elohîm, although Yhwh is found on occasion, probably as part of a Jewish name.

The hardest pre-Islamic evidence comes in the form of stone inscriptions that bear theophoric Arab names, i.e., Arabic names that incorporate a word for deity. The word one finds most often in the surviving inscriptions is ’lh, pronounced [ałłâh], and sometimes the shortened or Hebraic form, ’l. There is no evidence for a significantly different term for God used in place of this, such as Greek theos or Hebrew adonai or elohîm, although Yhwh is found on occasion, probably as part of a Jewish name.
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Mr khan
written by aaki , October 16, 2011
There is a shed loads more evidence to suggest the term Allah is derived from judeo/christian traditions.
Read and weep.
To suggest it's derived from moon god is laughable!
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to Aaki
written by Mohammad.A.Khan , October 16, 2011
Well, I think you didn't read my post in detail. I didn't ask you for any definition but asked you are very straight question, but I think you tried hard to find out about the origination of Allah. Because when I asked you for the first time about the origination of the name of Allah. you said, "the answer to your question Allah was the name given to the "chief" pagan god of the Meccans!" and here you put full-stop, posted on October 12 2011. You nowhere, mentioned of Arab-Jews or Arab-Christians in the first place. Suck Choad!
Not only this, but you also claimed that we can use any name such as Susan for the god. When I asked you if it is permissible for any non-Muslim to recite Kalima that I posted above. Now you changed the topic and brought another theory of Allah that it is mentioned in Christian Arabs use the term Allah, Mizrahi Jews use the same term! Allah is even mentioned in the guru Granth sahib.
If this was so, you could have told me all about this in the first place, instead of saying Allah was the name given to the "chief" pagan god of the Meccans. In my last post you really thought about the shit you did when you said, "You can go ahead and call god susan If you like."

So tell me, what thing prevents you to say or recite that there is no God but Susan, and Muhammad is the messenger of Susan? Are you gonna say that or not. If not so you have to reconstitute your statement and take back your words. I will accept your appology.
Look idiot your totally nonsense comments about what you are saying. so dont be such a chochie.

And hold-on, I will also clarify about the word Illah and Allah and what is the difference between them. The fact is that I don't know what is written in Grant sahib or what mizrahi jews says. But I promise that i will clarify your confusion that is Illah and Allah. I require answer, whether a non-Muslim while converting to Islam can say there is no God but Susan and Muhammad is the messenger of Susan? only answer in Yes or No. after your simple answer, I will go further to discuss about Illah and Allah.

Aaki , are my questions making your grundy stinks now? Becareful don't mess in your grundy LOL!

You will have a nice day(after leaving Islam and follow me as a true prophet)

Mohammad.A.Khan
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Mr khan
written by aaki , October 16, 2011
Brown offers one such example, a Christian man by the name Abdullah (slave of Allah) who lived before Muhammad:
For example, a leader of the Christians who was martyred in Najran in 523 AD is said to have been ‘Abdullah ibn Abu Bakr ibn Muhammad. Not only does he bear a theophoric name that means “servant of allâh”, he is also said to have worn a ring that said “allâh is my Lord” (Guillaume & Ibn Ishaq 2002 [1955]: 18).

The New Testament or parts of it were translated many times into Arabic…The extant manuscripts date from the post-Islamic period, but there is evidence for pre-Islamic translations of the Gospel, although scholars disagree on the matter…
They all use the word allâh to refer to God. Since the Arab Christians were spread over a vast region and belonged to diverse and warring churches long before the rise of Islam, the fact that all of them used allâh to refer to God in the earliest surviving translations is an indication that the term allâh must have been in widespread use by Arab Christians in pre-Islamic times.

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Mr khan
written by aaki , October 16, 2011
The word Allah has been used for time and memorial.
To day it's from a moon god is astonishingly ignorant!
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Mr khan
written by aaki , October 16, 2011
"to say"
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to Aaki
written by Mohammad.A.Khan , October 16, 2011
I think you don't read my posting carefully. I told you answer my question only in YES or NO. I don't need definitions. But I think my question makes your grundy stinks. Becareful. Don't make mess in your grundy. This is the last time I am asking you question. What if a non-Muslim want to convert to Islam. Can he/she recite Kalima

There is no god but Susan and Muhammad is the messenger of Susan. I want answer in yes or no. Why my question is too hard for you to say either Yes or No. You call yorurself a Muslim?
After this I will go further and debate whatever you said. don't worry I will clarify your confussion with Illa and Allah. Moreover, I don't know what Garant sahab said about allah and what Mizrahi jews says about Allah. But I will debate with you.

you will have a nice day(after leaving Islam and follow me as a true prophet)

Mohammad.A.Khan
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Mr khan
written by aaki , October 16, 2011
Your question is not relavent! The statement the article tries to make is that the god of islam Allah is the moon god of the pagan meccans!
I have given you citations to prove that the word Allah has been used hundreds of years before islam and by the other abrahamic religions!

You are asking me whether the word Allah can be omitted from the Islamic declaration of faith! That has nothing to do with the word Allah!
If you are declaring yourself as a Muslim a follower of islam then the word for god is Allah!
Now I know where you are likely to take this but it will have nothing to do with the origins or the word Allah
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to all respected readers (except Reed and Aaki)
written by Mohammad.A.Khan , October 16, 2011
I want to draws the attention of all respected readers except Reed and Aaki, that a small portion of the debate started between me and Aaki in which he said,

"Mr k let me clear your confusion! You can go ahead and call god susan If you like." Posted on October 14 2011.

And when I raised a question if this name i.e. Susan can be used in Kalima, so now he started to mangle and now he started to gag. At my simple question he can't say Yes or No. But in his last post, as you respected readers can see, he is whinning in disgust. By his last post, I figured it out that indirectly he is saying, 'NO'. But if this is the situation, so his comment regarding Susan and answer to my question is clearly contradiction to what he said.

Aaki, don't worry, Now I will talk with you about Allah and what you said. I will try to come tomrrow and will proceed from there.

you will have a nice day(after leaving Islam and follow me as a true prophet)
Mohammad.A.Khan
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Allah is fake
written by duh_swami , October 16, 2011
The name Allah 'was' used prior to Mohammad glomping on to it... The question is not one of names but of validity. What evidence has been presented that the Allah of these people was the actual one and only god? There was no Quran in those days to instruct them, how could they know that the Allah they believed in was the same Allah as described later in Quran?
Just because the same name was used does not prove it is the same god...The god of the Quran is threatening, he admits he is a terrorist, and racist...His personality is not the personality worshiped by people prior to Mohammad...
The personality of the terrorist Allah was formed by the terrorist Mohammad...In reality, the one and only god would have nothing to do with Mohammad...
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D,Swami
written by fineliving56 , October 16, 2011
I like your poetry about the new God called Susie…

It is about time we have a women God called Susie

I prefer Susan, It rhymes better in preyer

La illaha illa Susan Muhammad rasol al Susan
and
Bismi Susan al rahman al raheem
and
Susan ta'ala

this Susan God …She let me talk to her …I have not heard her talk to me …
I do not want to be one of those people…

As, Doris E gon said :

You talk to God you are religious, God talks to you, you are psychotic ^_^



well it is not perfect …but it is still better then Allah …the God of moon
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No answer to vbv
written by nonbeliever , October 17, 2011
It is quite interesting to see that none has answered vbv's question. When was SUN created. before that how were the days and nights counted? If days and nights were not there, how do we know that these desert gods God/Allah/Yahweh created every thing in six days. After resting on the 7th day what happened. Did they die? or are they sitting idle allowing crusades and jihads to destroy their creations?
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Aaki (aka aki) has stated:
written by Yibel , October 17, 2011
"The god of Adam, the god of Abraham, the god of moses, the god of muhammed ( pbu them all) is the same god!" how do you deduce that Muslims worship a different god from my statement above????

The answer is quite simple. The God of Adam, Abraham, and Moses provided certain laws and rules of conduct for his believers to follow. Muhammad broke all those rules, every one of the Ten Commandments. And he taught his followers to do as he did by proclaiming himself to be the perfect man whose every word and action should be emulated. He even went so far as to violate the law against destroying fruit bearing trees, just to win a battle, by stating he received a special message from Jibril okaying this despicable act.

BTW: Jibril is not Gabriel, the messenger of the true God YHVH. How do I know this? Because Muhammad lists a number of persons from the Bible, who he claims were prophets (most of whom were not really prophet), but he fails to list the prophet Daniel. Gabriel was the angel (messenger) who appeared to Daniel and related coming events to him (real prophesies, not the jibberish of Jibril). For example, Daniel was told about the fall of the Babylonian Empire to the Medes and the Persians (MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHAR SIN) Daniel Ch 6, followed by Greek conquest of Alexander the Great and his heirs in Chapter 7, as well as many other future events.
So, why didn't Jibril convey this to Muhammad so he could include Daniel in his list of so-called Muslim prophets?

Why? Because Jibril was NOT Gabriel. Jibril was a demon who fooled Muhammad into following Allah (aka Sin, Nannar, Marduk, Lucifer) the moon god: the god who comes down from his throne above the seven heavens once a month and rides the crescent moon (which is his chariot) through the night sky as he checks up on his creation. (From an ancient Sumerian god myth tale written in cuniform on clay tablets.)
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written by Machmoed , October 17, 2011
If days and nights were not there, how do we know that these desert gods God/Allah/Yahweh created every thing in six days?

It didn't. There were no days and nights. These attributes came after millions of years. Here is something to ponder about.

The Akkadiens called their sun-God Shamas. The word for sun in arabic shams....indeed...derived from the Akkadien name for God of the sun. It seemes Allah uses in his eternal book the Qur'an language wich developed just yesterday in comparison with the lifetime of earth and wich is an Idol. The fallacy of religion as being divine is best shown when considering how the language came to be. Does Allah knows he uses the language of pagans?
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Furthermore
written by Machmoed , October 17, 2011
The name for God in hebrew is EL, not Allah. Even Allah uses the name EL without knowing it it seemes. Isma-EL, Gabra-EL, Mika-EL, Zafra-EL etc etc. are names with the God EL incorporated. If Allah was the origin instead of EL, then the names would be Isma-Allah, Mika-allah etc but it is not. Allah is arabic and El is jewish but the proper name historically and originally is El and not Allah. I doubt if Allah knows his original title El?
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Mr khan
written by aaki , October 17, 2011
Come on I expect better from you! That's the point you were gagging to make?
1. The word Allah was used long before the Meccan pagans- no response from you
2. Therefore the his pagan moon good theory is rubbish- no response from you
3. Are the Christian Arabs and certain Jews use the term Allah, are they worshipping a pagan diety? No response as usual.
4. I tried to make the point that the word Allah is interchangable in language with the poor Susan example. However the point eluded you again!
In Iran they speak farasi. The term they use fir god is KHUDA. Now when an Iranian person says khuda hafiz to someone they actually mean Allah hafiz.
The terms are interchange in language.

Now what you asked me about using a phrase in a non interchangable scenario! If you want to be a Muslim then Allah is not interchangable when saying the declaration of faith.

Now if you tell me where I can send a town cryer for you, that way you can tell the world about your postings.
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Yibel
written by aaki , October 17, 2011
meimonedes, Augustine of hippo and the writings of al gazali disagree with your statements!
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iiki name drops
written by duh_swami , October 17, 2011
meimonedes, Augustine of hippo and the writings of al gazali disagree with your statements

You haven't read the Bible, but you have read Augustine of Hippo?...Your answer to Yibel is without substance...as usual...You do not state where or how these authors prove Yibel wrong, you just name drop...
St Augustine said that there never was a time Christianity did not exist...St Augustine never mentions Allah or Islam even once...Allah never saw fit to create any saints...there is not one saint in all Islams history...Instead Allah created prophets...but prophets are not saints, they are below saints in pay grade...No saint would have anything to do with Islam and it's false gods and prophets...it would be...unsaintly...
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Duh
written by aaki , October 17, 2011
Get back in your cage!
We are talking about the nature of god!
What are you talking about?
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fineliving56
written by duh_swami , October 17, 2011
I like your poetry about the new God called Susie…

Suzie is a popular nic name for some women named Susan...That was not my poetry, it is lyrics from a song written in 1920. 'If you knew Suzie like I know Suzie'...It just seemed to fit with the god Susan...
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to aaki (part 1)
written by Mohammad.A.Khan , October 17, 2011
aaki, first you didn't answer my question which I asked you to reply me in only Yes or No. I think my question pinches you too much that you can't say either Yes or No, in order to defend your statement that we can call god Susan, whatever we like. Secondly, you also claimed,

Mr khan
written by aaki , October 12, 2011
"the answer to your question Allah was the name given to the "chief" pagan god of the Meccans!"

and now in the last post you said,
Mr khan
written by aaki , October 17, 2011
Come on I expect better from you! That's the point you were gagging to make?
2. Therefore the his pagan moon good theory is rubbish- no response from you

Aak you are jerk, and mad and mental disable, that your memory really needs to be cured. How I can debate with a person who changes his own words and theory and can't stay stick on his words. You are big loser, get f*k out here you dumb a*s.

to be continued
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to Aaki (part 2)
written by Mohammad.A.Khan , October 17, 2011
continued:
"Historians like Vaqqidi have said Allah was actually the chief of the 360 gods being worshipped in Arabia at the time Mohammed rose to prominence. Ibn Al-Kalbi gave 27 names of pre-Islamic deities...Interestingly, not many Muslims want to accept that Allah was already being worshipped at the Ka'ba in Mecca by Arab pagans before Mohammed came. Some Muslims become angry when they are confronted with this fact. But history is not on their side. Pre-Islamic literature has proved this" (G. J. O. Moshay, Who Is This Allah?, Dorchester House, Bucks, UK, 1994, pg. 134, emphasis added)

"Hubal was the PRINCIPAL DEITY [in Mecca] THE GOD OF THE MOON..." (Concise Encyclopedia of Islam, p.179, emphasis mine).

"HUBAL WAS THE CHIEF GOD OF THE KAABA" (George W. Braswell, JR, Islam, p.44, emphasis mine).

Muslims don't want to admit what history shows, the Hubal is Allah.
Robert Morey writes: "Religious claims often fall before results of hard sciences such as archaeology...the hard evidences demonstrates that the god Allah was a pagan deity. In fact he was the MOON GOD[ Hubal]..." (The Moon God, Allah, p.1, emphasis mine). People of religion can say and believe anything they want, but it's what the facts show, that prove whether you are right or wrong! Hubal IS ALLAH!

to be continued
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to aaki (part 3)
written by Mohammad.A.Khan , October 17, 2011
continued:
"In pre-Mohammedan times it was believed that the stone had fallen from the moon and was sacred to the OLD MOON GOD HUBAL. The stone was enclosed in a small square temple known as the KABAH, which contained many lesser gods..." (Robert Payne, The History of Islam, p.4, emphasis mine).
The Quraysh ADOPTED ALLAH AS BAAL, and added the goddesses to his cult the same way as Baal had three daughters in the Fertile Crescent. They venerated him and his three female companions in his new House, the Kaaba at Mecca. (Bergsson, Snorri G., Goddesses and Wica worship,'Neo-paganism at its most deceptive form, Islam and Goddess Worship Chpt. IV, pg. 15, 1998-2000)
to be continued
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...
written by Mohammad.A.Khan , October 17, 2011
when Muzzies recite kalima see what they say:
LA ILLAHA (MEANS THERE IS NO GOD) AND STUPID MUZZIES ADDS ILLALLAHO (WHICH MEANS, BUT EXCEPT ALLAH)

it is clear from this kalima that Illaha was a common name for god, but Allah was a specific name given to their god for identity. And of course pagans of Arabia were the people who gave this name Allah to their god.

Have you ever notice on the flag of Saudi Arabia? there is a Kalima written on their flag, and right beneth its Kalima there is a sword drawn. And that sword is slightly curved like a Crescent Moon.

you will have a nice day(but after leaving cult islam and follow me as a true prophet)
Mohammad.A.Khan
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iiki avoids reality
written by duh_swami , October 17, 2011
We are talking about the nature of god!

No, only some of us are, you are talking about Allah, not God...Allah has no nature...What nature he appears to have, is a reflection of the nature of Mohammad...Allah is not the moon god in reality, his nature resembles the moon symbolism in part, but as was Mohammad's nature, Allah's supposed nature is a composite of the moon god Sin and the Martian God of war...
Everything to do with rigidity, obstinacy, discipline, justice, and war is Martian in nature...The Quran is full of Allah/Mohammads Martian natures...Hadith describe his Martian adventures...
Mohammad and Allah's Martian behaviors can be summed up with the three 'R's, Raid, Rape and Rob...On this the religion of Islam is based more on Mars than moon...But the gods of the moon and the gods of Mars are not the ultimate God of the universe, who has no natures at all...The only true God, that which is above natures, is YHVH...And this is not necessarily religious because I AM THAT I AM means 'pure existence'...Pure existence has no natures...Allah has natures, mostly Martian, that only appeal to humans with like natures, Mohammad for instance... which is one reason Allah can't be God...

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to Aaki (final part)
written by Mohammad.A.Khan , October 17, 2011
Have you ever notice on the flag of Saudi Arabia? there is a Kalima written on their flag, and right beneth its Kalima there is a sword drawn. And that sword is slightly curved like a Crescent Moon.

Is this enough for you, or should I post some more references?

you will have a nice day(but after leaving Islam and follow me as a true prophet)

Mohammad.A.Khan
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aaki, one more thing
written by Mohammad.A.Khan , October 17, 2011
I don't care what arab jews or arab christians call their gods. This is not my headache because I am neither one. as for as garant sahib is concerned, in my humble information, the sikhism was created around after 800 years of Islam. If allah name is present in their scriptures so it is aught upon you to follow sikhism because it will justify your logic.
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mr khan pt 1
written by aaki , October 17, 2011
Reading comprehension 101:
written by aaki , October 12, 2011
"the answer to your question Allah was the name given to the "chief" pagan god of the Meccans!"
the important bit was THE NAME GIVEN. That means it's just a name and NOT IS you simpleton.

written by aaki , October 17, 2011
Come on I expect better from you! That's the point you were gagging to make?
2. Therefore the his pagan moon good theory is rubbish- no response from you

The pagan moon god theory implies that Muslims worship a moon god!
That is clearly rubbish!
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Pt 2
written by aaki , October 17, 2011
"you are jerk, and mad and mental disable"
"You are big loser, get f*k out here you dumb a*s."
you need to wash your mouth out sunshine!
You kiss your mom with that dirty mouth of yours???
Internet tough guy?????

Then all your effort is spent proving that the pagan meccans called their moon god Allah. Which I said anyway.
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Aaki
written by Mohammad.A.Khan , October 17, 2011
Editor: Khan, please try to use standard words. no swear or disparaging comments. Such comments tend get caught by the site bot. Also do not try to post the same comments when first one eaten up. Just wait for it to be manually released by the admin.
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You have now come to known that you are bewildered and have no sense what to say about your god. Son aaki, it is my generosity that I didn't use harsh words that I said to you. But I could have said more nasty things to you but I didn't. But if any would be instead of me, would have hurled more nasty abuses at you which you really deserve for, but anyways.

By the way what is the name of your god?

you will have a nice day (but after leaving cult Islam and follow me as a true prophet)

Mohammad.A.Khan
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Pt 3
written by aaki , October 17, 2011
You didn't tell us why the Christians and Jews of old used the term Allah!
Do you think they were worshipping a moon god? If not why not?
Copts in Egypt use terms like Allah al ab ( god the father). Are they really saying moon the father? What about Allah rooh Ul quds ( god the spirit). If Allah was a moon god then that would mean moon the spirit! That does nor even make sense.
We know the term Allah has been used before the pagans by the Christians and jews.
Now for you or anyone else to insinuate that over a billion Muslims prey to the moon god five times a day is laughable!
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Mr khan
written by aaki , October 17, 2011
Have you ever notice on the flag of Saudi Arabia? there is a Kalima written on their flag, and right beneth its Kalima there is a sword drawn. And that sword is slightly curved like a Crescent Moon.

This is by far my favourite! The stupidity speaks for itself!!

Ps the crescent moon was used by the Turkic tribes way before islam!
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to Admin MA Khan
written by Mohammad.A.Khan , October 17, 2011
I beg your pardon MA Khan, I will be careful and will use standard words as per your direction. Thanks for reminding.

have a nice day!

Mohammad.A.Khan
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aaki
written by Mohammad.A.Khan , October 17, 2011
if you don't want to give me the name of your god, its alright I understand. do you believe that Ba'al or hubal was a deity in arab pagan society?

Whatever turkish did or what the cresent moon meant to turkish, is not the topic. the topic is that and over all the bitter truth is that Arabs before Islam used to worship Cresent moon. That is why when Muslims went out on jihad, so their weapon, which was a sword was formed in a shape of crescent moon, which their quran taught them to fight in the way of Allah. Similarly the christians, whose sword is exactly looks like symbolic cross, they fought with others in their own faith. You also can not deny that Arabs followed lunar calander which based on different phases of the moon.
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Editor
written by Dwito , October 17, 2011
Respected editor sir, with reference to your above notice to Mr. khan, I would like to bring to your notice that even without using some objectionable words or means, sometimes my post were grabbed, and many of them never faced up. How could we understand that they will appear ever?
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To aaki
written by dead or alive , October 17, 2011
Is the color of the Saudi flag,vermilion?
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Mr khan
written by aaki , October 17, 2011
written by Mohammad.A.Khan , October 17, 2011
I don't care what arab jews or arab christians call their gods. This is not my headache because I am neither one.

What a complete and utter cop out! When Muslims use the term Allah it means moon god but when Christians/Jews use it, it doesn't matter because it's not your headache. You are not a muslim either, but that does give you headaches.
Your bigotry is flawless!
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Mr khan pt 2
written by aaki , October 17, 2011
"Son aaki, it is my generosity that I didn't use harsh words that I said to you. But I could have said more nasty things to you but I didn't."

Am I supposed to thank you for not abusing me?? are you right in the head???
You are the one that has been warned for your foul mouth.
Mr judge, jury and wannabe executioner!
The reason you lost it was because you have nothing to say and that frustrates you.
Newsflash sherlock- deal with it!!

The name of the god I bow my head to Allah(swt)!
99 different names/ attributes as directed by his book the glorious Quran.
The same god of Adam, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and muhammed ( may peace and blessing be upon all of them).
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Mr khan pt 3
written by aaki , October 17, 2011
The rest of your post is gibberish and off topic as usual!
Hope you learnt something!

It is better for a fool to remain silent, than open his mouth and remove all doubt!

I expect nothing but silence from you!!!
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to Aaki
written by Mohammad.A.Khan , October 17, 2011
It is true that what arab jews or christians call their god, it is not my headache. And I didn't say either that what Muslim call their god is my headache. you have some incomprehension to understand what I want to say. My claim is that to prove whether Allah is abrahamic god or the god of pagans. And I have proved it that allah was one of the deity of pagan arabs. Even Ba'al was a deity of arab pagans. do you deny this too?
All I told you that Muslim's weapons were shaped in their god's name. they followed lunar calandar. moreover, Muhammad's father name 'Abdullah' was based on their deity.
Now can you prove that any person from the lineage of Abram's son Ishaq, who would have the same name as Abdullah?

You will have a nice day (but after leaving cult Islam and follow me as a true prophet)

Mohammad.A.Khan
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to aaki
written by Mohammad.A.Khan , October 17, 2011
It is better for a fool to remain silent, than open his mouth and remove all doubt!

I have to remind you that when you said, that we can go ahead and call god susan If you like. look idiot what your quran the so-called holy book has said:

They are nothing but some names that you have coined, you and your forefathers... 53:23
Under what authority you said to us that we can say any name to god as poor susan? your daftness is boundless. and on the other hand, you are a juggler of words. you have been kicked in your butt many times, and you know that as well. Even you did not dare to recite, there is no god but susan and mo is the messenger of susan, in order to defend what you just said. and then you started to ran away, as it is your habitual policy.
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Aki, and his cherished 99 names of Allah…lol
written by fineliving56 , October 17, 2011
lol ….have anyone read and some of these supposed names Of Allah

Samples:

The avenger -…lol….It suites Allah to a T
The Humiliater …lol….yes, that too
The one who lower people …lol…coming from Allah, is nothing.
The one who kill people…lol….not really …he still need Muhammad and his followers to do the killing for him….IT is too weak to do him self.
The Martyr ……what ?…Have anyone sow an unclaimed body some where.
The thankful…again what ?…thanking who? …us?…you welcome!?
The one who look down on people ….yes we Know …We are not worthy !

The rest of the 99 names are all self serving,high handed, humanistic quality and down right stupid….any God will not be caught dead call IT self names like that .

It is all from Muhammad and his over demented clan
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to aaki
written by Mohammad.A.Khan , October 17, 2011
aaki, my last post again has been skipped that i formulated for you. Well if you want to proceed this discussion, which I think you would not, I can give you my email address
we can proceed this discussion over there. Rest it is up to you.

Mohammad.A.Khan
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aaki
written by Mohammad.A.Khan , October 17, 2011
aaki I am posting a verse from quran,
"And they attribute to Allah's daughters - exalted is He - and for them is what they desire." Quran 16:57.
who were calling that allah has daughters? were they arab jews or christians?
I have also writen an article, "The Quran Confesses Allah Was a Pagan God before Islam" on the same website. you can view it here
http://www.islam-watch.org/ind...&Itemid=58
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To Aki
written by Archpagan , October 17, 2011
Aki, Allah was the presiding deity of the Qurais tribe of Mecca. Muhammad remodeled that Allah on Jewish God Yahweh and sought to foist that tribal God upon entire humanity as the universal God. Islam is purely an imperialist idea with Allah as its tool. You are victim of such imperialism.

You love Islam and Allah. Well, a chained animal develops love for its chain. Because, it can not think of a life without the chain it is used to live with. Enlarge your mind and thought. You are indulging in silly polemics.
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Allah/God doesn't exist
written by Machmoed , October 18, 2011
Jee! what's the discussion about anyway? Muslims do not disagree with the notion that Alah was a pre-islamic moon God. This is a fact and no one could refute it. Allah was a pagan deity and when Muhammad came, he transformed this deity to a universal one using the attributes Jews and christians gave to this deity. I don't have to proove that this deity is fake or not real. It prooves itself. God/Allah does not exist. This is a fact. Why? because he is not created and everything that exist is created. Therefor God or Allah doesn't exist but God's existence. We all are existence of God and God is not existense but beyond that. Allag/God what humans believe in is existed because he/it is known through existence and thus not the real God/Allah beyond this existence. I agree it is not understandable for the gullible but it is quite logical.

God doens't exist but God's existence.
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@ Mohammad Khan
written by Rim Jhim , October 18, 2011
Mr. Khan, first you look at your name and what the comments you are talking about. You are traitor that your name is like Muslim but your talking is all against Islam. If you have left Islam, so that is your stupidity.

The word allah you are talking about is not moon god at all. there is no such proof. Allah is indeed a god of Abrahim, Jesus and Muhammad. your history is so week and baseless, formed on stupid remarks. I would like to recommend you to study, Restatement of History of Islam and Muslims, written by Asghar Rizwi. It is not a good idea to talk nonsense before you say anything.
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2 Rim job
written by Machmoed , October 18, 2011
The word allah you are talking about is not moon god at all. there is no such proof. Allah is indeed a god of Abrahim, Jesus and Muhammad.

Are you serious?
Allah was the pagan/mushrikoen God before Muhammad. Why do you think why his Abdullah died as a polyethist according to hadith. Hadith sahih also describes how Muhammads grandfather stands for the Hubal statue saying: ya Allah!

This is also the reason that this grandfather or his uncle didn't convert to islam. They knew Allah way before Muhammad and they knew that Muhammad wanted the same image as He or JHWH has of the jews and christians.

Before Muhammad, Allah was the chief-God of the Meccans and was the "greatest" of all the Gods. AllahuAkbar preceedes islam and Muhammad. Akbar doesn't mean big or great but rather greatest or biggest. Even now the polytheistic elements are shown.
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@ Machmoed
written by Rim Jhim , October 18, 2011
you have explained that Allah (swt) way befor eMuhammad. your sentence itself proves that Allah (swt) was god before Arab Quraish. How much long before? You might never known that. It means that Allah was before, Quraish, Christians, Jews and even Abrahim (a.s).
you stupid non muslims can never come to the right path and will deny the truth.
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To Rim Jhim
written by Archpagan , October 18, 2011
For your kind information, 'Mohammad A. Khan' is a pagan Arab name. Muslims can not claim patent over Arabic language. Even Koran in part was copied from pre-Islamic Arabic literature.
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2 Rim Job
written by Machmoed , October 19, 2011
you have explained that Allah (swt) way befor eMuhammad. your sentence itself proves that Allah (swt) was god before Arab Quraish.

It's clearly you're not smart enough to understand this basic fact. Yes Allah was the chief-God and Ka'ba was baitullah. This Allah when MUHAMMAD CAME, BECAME A UNIVERSAL GOD. Bfore Muhammad A;llah was worshipped by pagans so it was a paganistic God. Actually it's very easy to see, but for a muslim, it is not. Again: Muhammads father died as an polytheist (mushrik) but he worshipped Allah like the hashim family did. This Allah of the hashim clan was not the Allah of Qur'an.
Check your islamic sources, it's all in there!
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Reed, Malem
written by Rationalist , October 19, 2011
Why Reed and Malem are silent on the issue of Allah being a pagan god? Their own friend has conceded that Allah used to ne a pagan god.
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some additions to fineliving56 list of 99 names
written by Yibel , October 19, 2011
Al-Harr The Distressor, The Harmer, The Afflictor 6:17
Al-Quddus The Holy One, (actually a Canaanite female fertility goddess) 59:23, 62:1
Al-Mumit The Destroyer, The Bringer of Death 3:156, 7:158, 15:23, 57:2
Al-Malik The King, The Keeper of Hell (affiliated with the Temple of al-Uzza) 59:23,
20:114, 23:116
Al-Muntaqim The Avenger 32:22, 43:41, 44:16
Al Haleem The Forbearing, The Indulgent 2:235, 17:44, 22:59, 35:41
Al-Qahhar The Subduer 12:39, 13:16, 14:48, 38:65, 39:4, 40:16
Al-Khafi The Abaser 95:5

And my all-time favorite, drum roll please:
Al-Mudhill The Giver of Dishonour (Holy Mud Hill) 3:26

(Actually, al is a prefix meaning "holy," but has been translated as "the")
The Islamic list of "99 Names of Allah" has similarities with the Zoroastrian 101 Names of Ashura Mazda, the Zorastrian high god. Muhammad employed a Persian fellow by the name of Salman, the Farsi, to help him make his messages/sermons sound more poetic, so Salman may have had an influence on the Qur'an.
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Yibel
written by aaki , October 20, 2011
Most Frequently Used Names for God in the Bible
1.  Yahweh (Lord): 6,519 times
2.  El, Elohim (God): over 2,000 times
3.  Adonai (Lord): 434 times
4.  Yahweh Sabaoth (The Lord of Hosts/Armies): over 285 times
5.  El Elyon (The Most High God): 28 times
6.  El Shaddai (Lord God Almighty): 7 times
7.  Qanna (Jealous): 6 times
8.  El Olam (The Everlasting God): 4 times
9.  Yahweh-Raah (The Lord is My Shepherd): 4 times
10.  Yahweh Tsidkenu (The Lord Our Righteousness): 2 times
11.  Yahweh Mekoddishkem (The Lord Who Sanctifies You): 2 times
12.  Yahweh Nissi (The Lord My Banner): 1 time
13.  Yahweh-Rapha (The Lord That Heals): 1 time
14.  Yahweh Shammah (The Lord is There): 1 time
15.  Yahweh Jireh (The Lord Will Provide): 1 time
16.  Yahweh-Shalom (The Lord is Peace): 1 time

lord of peace once, in the entire book.
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Yibel
written by aaki , October 20, 2011
Prof. Mark S. Smith notes on p.144 of The Origins of Biblical Monotheism that Yahweh was introduced to the Israelites as a “divine warrior [god] from the south.”  Indeed, “Yahweh and Baal co-existed and later competed as warrior-gods” (Ibid., p.33).  This motif continued in the Israelite tradition: the tribal warrior-god Yahweh went to war against competing gods and nations on behalf of Israel.
Although Yahweh, the God the Israelites adopted, would one day become the supreme God of the land and eliminate his competition, initially he was just one of many competing “war and storm-gods;” as Prof. Erhard S. Gerstenberger writes on p.151 of Theologies of the Old Testament (emphasis added):
Yahweh was not always God in Israel and at every social level.  Rather, initially he belongs only to the storm and war gods like Baal, Anath, Hadad, Resheph and Chemosh…His original homeland was the southern regions of present-day Palestine and Jordan.  Thus the regional and functional, cultural and social limitations of Yahweh should be beyond all doubt.  The elaboration of ideas about Yahweh, e.g. as a guarantor of fertility, personal good fortune, head of a pantheon, creator of the world, judge of the world, etc. is gradual and only fully unfolds in the exilic/post-exilic age, always in connection with social and historical changes.
In other words, Yahweh started out as a “storm and war god,” and only later acquired other functions now commonly associated with God, including for example the ability to create.
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Glass house yibel
written by aaki , October 20, 2011
Among the functions of Yahweh called into play by Israel’s needs, the leading place in the earlier times was held by war…Hence, Yahweh is constantly represented as a war-god. He it is who marches at the head of Israel’s armies (Deut. 33:27); his right arm brings victory to Israel’s banners (Exod. 15:6); Israel’s wars are “the wars of Yahweh” himself (Num. 21:14; I Sam. 18:17, 25:28); Israel’s obligation is to “come to the help of Yahweh, to the help of Yahweh against the mighty” (Judg. 5:23); Israel’s enemies are Yahweh’s enemies (Judg. 5:31; I Sam. 30:26); Yawheh is Israel’s sword and shield (Deut. 33:29); yea, he is a “a man of war” (Exod. 15:3) As the leader of a nation of war, Yahweh was credited with the military practices of the day.  He shrank not from drastic and cruel measures. Indeed, he lent his name and influence to the perpetration of such deeds of barbarity…Yahweh orders the total extermination of clans and towns, including man, woman, and child (I Sam. 15:3; Josh 6:17 f.).
Biblical scholar Prof. J.M.P. Smith writes Religion and War in Israel published in The American Journal of Theology
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Yibel the dribble
written by aaki , October 20, 2011
"Muhammad employed a Persian fellow by the name of Salman, the Farsi, to help him make his messages/sermons sound more poetic, so Salman may have had an influence on the Qur'an."

of course you have solid evidence of this??????
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......
written by Machmoed , October 20, 2011
16:103. And indeed We know that they (polytheists and pagans) say: "It is only a human being who teaches him (Muhammad)." The tongue of the man they refer to is foreign, while this (the Qur'ân) is a speech Arabeeyun mubeen.

The qur'an itself mentiones this foreign guy (Salman alFarsi in Hadith).

It's not Yibels dribble but islamic dribble!
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Every thing in Islam is corrupt!
written by Andy James , October 20, 2011
Everything in Islam is corrupt, Christianity teaches peace.
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iiki copy paste
written by duh_swami , October 20, 2011
No crimes attributed to YHVH are an excuse for the evil that is Islam...That is a whole lot of tu quoque, your selling...

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Duuuh
written by aaki , October 20, 2011
No mate i'm seving a tall glass of STFU juice to yibel!
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iiki swallows hard...
written by duh_swami , October 20, 2011
No mate i'm seving a tall glass of STFU juice to yibel!

Oh, I see, you're spamming...While you are at it, take a big swig of that juice yourself...

Why don't you post something useful, like where Obama was born...I thought you knew...I guess not...
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Aki
written by Archpagan , October 20, 2011
YHVH is bad and ALLAH is worse.
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let him...
written by bumdypig , October 21, 2011
...*sev* up what he want's, but Yibel has forgotten more about lslime than he will ever know
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Bumdy
written by aaki , October 21, 2011
Bumdy by name bumdyby nature I guess! Pig!
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Mujrah
written by Mujrah Manager , October 21, 2011
Muslims couldn't do any better thing and they introduced mujrah in sub-continent. All ludicrous and vulgar mentality afghans adopted from Arab countries.
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More Dribble n' Bits (dog food for a dog)
written by Yibel , October 21, 2011
To aaki (aka aki) about the Persian fellow by the name of Salman, the Farsi:

No one can "prove" that he ever existed, any more than anyone can "prove" that Muhammad (Moo Ham Odd) actually existed! Even the word "Muhmmad" (The Highly Praised One) is probably a title, not a name. I read somewhere that his real name was Qutham (Cut Ham), which gave me quite a laugh. No wonder he didn't want his followers eating pigs!

Salman, the Farsi is mentioned in the sunnah. Muhammad had him translating the Jewish writings (the Talmud) from Hebrew to Arabic, because he, Muhammad, was searching for places where he was foretold as coming.

Salman was also responsible for the idea of digging a dry moat around Yathrib (later renamed Madinah by Muhammad after he drove out the Jews) to defeat the Makkans when they came to wipe out Muhammad's Merry Band of Murders and Marauders had attacked a pilgrim caravan on its way to Makkah and the Makkans had to pay ransom money to get the hostages released (circa 622-623 CE).

This taking of hostages for ransom (along with slavery) is a theme throughout the history of Islam which is nothing more than an Arabian Mafia.

Thank you for posting the list of the names/attributes of the Israelite G-d. Makes for a good compare and contrast with the names/attributes of Allah.

As for the book you mentioned: Everyone is entitled to an opinion however misguided, misinformed, or completely WRONG that opinion is!

BTW, what is STFU?
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Yibel
written by aaki , October 21, 2011
didn't exist! Just because spencer says so!

Stfu?
Never mind. It's not important.
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Answer to questions from dead or alive
written by Yibel , October 21, 2011
You asked: "Do you know what you just said?"
I just said a lot of things conserning how unscientific, ridiculous, and downright foolish the stuff in the Qur'an is! So I am not sure what you are referring to?

And: "How does little guy like me get to meet this God YHVH?"

To this question the answer is simple! Read the Gospels of the New Testament of the Bible. These 4 books (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) contain the words of Yahshua (which means Yah Saves, aka Jesus, the Christos/Messiah) in which he explains the nature of the true G-d, YHVH, as faithfully recorded by those who believed in YHVH (aka Yah), the G-d of the Jews and the Christians. Read the inspiring Sermon on the Mount in Matthew, chapter 5, "Love Thy Neighbor As Thyself," and "Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."

"Ask and it shall be given, seek and ye shall find"

You also asked: "Is the symbol of YHVH,the six pointed star?" And the answer is NO, it is not! YHVH has NO symbol and is represented only by the Hebrew letters "yod heh vav heh" (I Am That I Am/ Behold I Exist).
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Yibel oh yibel
written by aaki , October 22, 2011
I could go on an all out rampage of your scripture but I won't.
That's the difference between us!
I will just quote you matthew 7:3
"why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brothers eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?"
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iiki obfuscates
written by duh_swami , October 22, 2011
I could go on an all out rampage of your scripture but I won't.

That's a good trick since you apparently have never read the Bible...and even if you did, you would still not be a Bible scholar...

'Stfu?
Never mind. It's not important'.

Like most of your comments...

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Thank you Yibel
written by dead or alive , October 22, 2011
Over 20 years ago i got on my knees and asked Jesus Christ to come into my heart.That worked for me.
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@AKI
written by Mozlem , October 22, 2011
My religion is bad but I will prove yours is worse so bad is better than worse.
Aki look within then only you will be enlightened. Why does Allah rub mud on Muslims faces did you ever get to the bottom of the verse. WUDU with mud do you remember?
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....
written by Machmoed , October 23, 2011
These 4 books (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) contain the words of Yahshua (which means Yah Saves, aka Jesus, the Christos/Messiah) in which he explains the nature of the true G-d, YHVH, as faithfully recorded by those who believed in YHVH (aka Yah), the G-d of the Jews and the Christians.

Great opinion, but watch out to sell it as reality/truth. Your posts on islam are great!
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Listen up !
written by Farhan , October 23, 2011
La ilaha illAllah
Zakir Naikur Rasulullah.
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To aaki concerning the list of names of YHVH, part 1
written by Yibel , October 24, 2011
1. YHWH is the only proper "name of God" in the Tanakh (Bible, Old Testament). YHWH is the personal name of the God of Israel, whereas other 'names' in your list are titles or attributes ascribed to YHVH. Words such as Elohim (meaning god(s), or authority), El (mighty one), Shaddai (almighty), Adonai (master/lord), Elyon (most high), Avinu (our father), etc. highlight the different aspects of YHWH, and the various roles which he has.

The Tetragrammaton is the four-letter name YHWH which appears 6,828 times times in the Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia edition of the Hebrew Masoretic text. YHVH derives from the prefix tetra- ("four") and gramma ("letter", "grapheme") and is first mentioned in the Book of Genesis 2:4. In English language Bibles it is traditionally translated as "The LORD" or as "HASHEM." Yahweh is the English way to say the 4 Hebrew letters, YHVH.A shortened form YHVH, Yah, occurs in Psalm 68:4.

"That men may know that thou, whose name alone is YHVH, art the most high over all the earth." Psalm 83:18

2. The words el (god, singular) and elohim (gods) are not names of YHVH. The word elohim alone occurs more than 2500 times in the Hebrew Bible, with meanings ranging from "gods" in a general sense (as in Exodus 12:12, where it describes "the gods of Egypt"), to a specific god (e.g., 1 Kings 11:33, where it describes Chemosh "the god of Moab", or the frequent references to Yahweh as the "elohim" of Israel), to demons, seraphim, and other supernatural beings, to the spirits of the dead brought up at the behest of King Saul in 1 Samuel 28:13, and even to kings, prophets (e.g., Exodus 4:16) and judges or magistrates.

The phrase "bene elohim" is usually translated as "sons of God."
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To aaki concerning the list of names of YHVH, part 2
written by Yibel , October 24, 2011
3. Adonai means Lord or Master and is applied to persons as well as gods.

4. Yahweh Sabaoth (YHVH of Hosts/Armies) occurs over 285 times and applies to YHVH in the role of the "Divine Warrior." This title often occurs in conjunction with the armies of Israel (cf. 1Sa 17:45; Ps 46:11; LORD God of hosts in Is 1:24).

The "Lord of hosts" title often refers to YHVH in the role of establishing his kingdom on earth (cf. Is9:7; Zech 8:3; 14:16); and the eschatological renewal of the kingdom of Israel (cf. Micah 4:4; Zech 1:17). The title also reflects the judgment and wrath of God (Isaiah 9:19), whether it be directed against the enemies of Israel (e.g., Isaiah 10:26; 13:4; 19:12; Nah 2:13; Zech 8:2) or against his own people (cf. Jer 6:6; 8:3; 11:22).

This name is combined with Elohim, to give the compound name Lord God of hosts or rarely only with Elohim, God of hosts. (Ps 80:7, 14) The meaning is essentially the same. YHVH is thus described as the divine warrior of Israel (2Sa 5:10); the transcendent God of heaven (as in Psalm 80:14); as the one Who will judge his people for their sin against Him (Isaiah 10:23; Jer 35:17; Amos 3:13); and as the One Who will punish His enemies (Jer 46:10; 49:5; 50:31).

The meaning of the title is that all created agencies and forces are under the leadership or dominion of Yahweh, who made and maintains them (Genesis 2; Isaiah 45:12).

5. El Elyon (The Most High God): 28 times
The word`Elyon occurs in combination with El, YHWH or Elohim, and also alone. It appears chiefly in poetic and later Biblical passages. The modern Hebrew adjective "'Elyon" means "supreme" (as in "Supreme Court") or "Most High". El Elyon has been traditionally translated into English as 'God Most High'.
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To aaki concerning the list of names of YHVH, part 3
written by Yibel , October 24, 2011
10. Yahweh Tsidkenu (The Lord Our Righteousness): 2 times

Yahweh Tsidkenu (The Lord Our Righteousness): Righteous and Righteousness are descriptive terms. They are qualities of YHVH. For example, "For the righteous YHVH loveth righteousness; his countenous doth behold the upright." Psalm 11:7

What is righteousness?

Obeying the Ten Commandments, loving thy neighbor as thyself, and doing unto others as you would have them do unto you.

11. Yahweh Mekoddishkem (The Lord Who Sanctifies You): 2 times
Yahweh Mekoddishkem (The Lord Who Sanctifies You): Sanctify means to purify or make holy.

Ex 15:17, "Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that Yah (I am) the Adonai (Lord) that doth sanctify (koddish) you (plural)." Exodus 31:13

12. Yahweh Nissi (The Lord My Banner): 1 time in Exodus 17:15
Yahweh Nissi (The Lord My Banner) is the name of an altar that Moses built to YHVH.

13. Yahweh-Rapha (The Lord That Heals): 1 time
Yahweh-Rapha (The Lord That Heals): rapha is a verb meaning "to heal, to repair, to purify" so this simply means that YHVH redeems & delivers from his people from bondage. He rebuilds and restores. He is The Great Physician who brings salvation and repairs our souls. (Exodus 15) Psalm 79:9 O God of our Salvation

14. Yahweh Shammah (The Lord is There): 1 time in Ezekiel 48:35
This title refers to the new name of Jerusalem after the return of the Messiah Yahshua. Yahweh Shammah (The Lord is There) occurs in the last verse in the great prophecy of Ezekiel. we find the last new name of God in the Old Testament "The city (Jerusalem) shall be 18,000 cubits round about; and the name of the city from that
day shall be, The LORD is there (Jehovah-Shammah)."

15. Yahweh Jireh (The Lord Will Provide): 1 time in Gen 22:14
Yahweh Jireh (The Lord Will Provide) is another name for Mt. Moriah because it was there that JHVH provided the ram for the sacrifice. It literally means: In the mount of YHVH it shall be seen."

16. Yahweh-Shalom (The Lord is Peace): 1 time in Judges 6:24
Yahweh-Shalom (YHVH is Peace) is the name of the altar built to YHVH by Gideon who, when seeing an angel of YHVH face to face, was told by the angel: "Peace be unto thee, fear not: thou shalt not die." (Gideon feared that he would die for having seen an angel of YHVH.)
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additional info on names of YHVH
written by Yibel , October 24, 2011
The Bible states, from cover to coveer that the true Name of Elohim (God) is YHVH/Yahweh. It is mentioned right at the beginning of the Bible and is used
througout. YHVH is the creator "who made the earth and the heavens" (Gen.2:4). YHVH translates as "The Self-Existent One", being derived from the Hebrew háwáh, meaning "to exist."

Note that the name "Allah" does not appear even once in either the Old or New Testaments. The only time God is referred to by name in the Old Testament is either as YHVH (YAHWEH) meaning "He (who) is" or "The Self-Existent One" or as a contraction, YAH (I am).

The word alah does exist in Hebrew, but it is not a proper name and it never refers to God. It has three principal meanings: (1) to curse, swear, or adjure; (2) to lament (weep); and (3) to arise, ascend, climb, go away, leap, etc..

The name ALLAH does not appear even once as the Name of God, or even of a man, in the Hebrew Scriptures. There is no word 'alah' or 'allah' in the Greek New Testament at all. It was, quite simply, unknown in the Bible world. The God of the Bible has always been known as YHVH/Yahweh, or (much less frequently) by the contraction Yah. YHVH/Yahweh never appears as the name of any deity outside the Bible either. There is no record anywhere of any other tribe or religion which worhipped YHVH/Yahweh. The Hebrew Name of God is unique to the Bible and its chosen people.

A note about educating yourself: It is always wise to research beyond wikipedia for information on any subject. Articles in wikipedia have been placed there without proper oversight or peer review by experts on the subjects. There are many experts that do not agree with Prof. Mark S. Smith. and what he wrote in his book "The Origins of Biblical Monotheism."
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Answer to aaki concerning
written by Yibel , October 24, 2011
matthew 7:3
"why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brothers eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?"

I'm afraid that "the speck of sawdust" is rather more of a hugh mountain of sawdust. Islam makes people rude, foul mouthed, ignorant, genocidal and, according to mozlem, rather dirty due to the mud baths (wudu).

Here is the reason why, and I quote:
mohamhead & the evil koran written by ecks

Mohamhead was a 7th century murdering warlord who rose to power on a river of blood surrounded by thugs and gangsters using intimidation, violence, deception and trickery to expand their criminal empire while mercilessly suppressing and killing their opponents and enriching themselves on stolen booty.

The koran is a collection of sayings and speeches by this diabolical madman claiming divine guidance from some mythical sky-god which has inspired generations of crazed fanatics to abhorrent behavior resulting in historys (sic) worst ever crimes against humanity starting 1400 years ago and still continuing even today.

Islam is just another fascist totalitarian ideology used by power hungry fanatics on yet another quest for worldwide domination and includes all the usual human rights abuses & suppression of freedoms.

As I said before: A HUGH mountain of sawdust!
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Sawdust
written by Machmoed , October 25, 2011
Everything is action reaction. In the 6th century great powernation Byzatium and Persia were conquering and deviding territories while the arabs worshipped stones, dead stones. When Abraha made an attempt to demolish the Ka'ba after he build the great church in Sana (Yemen), the Arabs started to realize their weakness. From this point on they created a unity, a written language etc. Muhammad when studied vanishes in thin air. The more you read about him, the less it is a person. Many like Hamid Kalish, Robert spencer, Ibn Warraq etc. do not believe he (Muhammad) ever existed. Many believe Muhammad is actually Jesus but later the arabs constructed an individual with the name Muhammad. Fact is no one mentioned him or the Qor'an nor islam on both sides historically. Muslims never mentioned him and others didn't mention him. The first time the word Muhammad seemes to appear (on coins) was 50 to 70 years later then his assumed death.

First there was an empire/civilization and then the religion. This fact is applicable to all religions. It is a natural phenomenon rather then a divine/supernatural event. It's from the earth instead of from the Lord in heaven. We didn't come from anywhere and we don't go nowhere. We just will BE, like God.
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Yibel the dribble
written by aaki , November 01, 2011
I can say the exact same thing about Christianity if I twist facts like you do!
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to aaki some dribble n' bits
written by Yibel , November 01, 2011
What facts have I twisted?

Please clarify your statement of November 1, 2011

The facts are available, many of them right here on this web site. Muhammad attacked defenseless villagers in order to obtain (steal) their wealth and enslave their women and children. He ordered many massacres (over 80) within a period of about ten years for the purpose of expanding his empire. He lied, and told his followers to do the same in order to win (the end justified the means), told his followers to assassinate his detractors, and wrote a book full of hate and hell and damnation that should be banned throughout the world.

So, what facts have been twisted?

He was a sadist, a criminal, and a pedophile!

Hard to dispute with the facts!!
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2 Yible
written by Machmoed , November 02, 2011
He did that to kuffar/infidels/mushrikoon etc. these kind of people are inferior in the sight of Allah. They caused mischief in the land. I don't see the problem here!:-)
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...
written by Dwito , November 02, 2011
Yes, we should accept the logic as Muslims do. and redirect the same to them. I do hope Aki will not object to it as well as Muslims worldwide.
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Allah is undeniably the moon god
written by Berkly , February 26, 2012
The earliest Islamic symbol on coins was the moon containing the star Venus.

It is futile to deny this fact.

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