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Negotiating With the Devil

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Beware of mullahs bearing gifts! The mullahs are diehard adherents of the Islamists’ eleventh commandment “Thou shall not lie or dissimilate (taqqeyh), deceive or cheat (ketman) unless it serves a higher purpose.”

Iran’s mullahs have repeatedly indicated their willingness and ability to help restore order in Iraq, on the condition that the United States packs up and leaves the region. And now that US forces have left Iraq, the Islamic regime clearly is one of the strategic winners in this deadly game.

The mullahs have also pledged on their Boy Scout’s honor, although they have never been Boy Scouts, their nuclear program is strictly for peaceful purposes. As a further gesture of goodwill, these self-appointed custodians of Allah’s Earth are volunteering to serve as unpaid policemen of the entire Persian Gulf region, protecting vital U.S. interests, just like the Shah did before them. Sounds like a great gift package from the kind-hearted do-gooders of Allah.

Beware of mullahs bearing gifts! The mullahs are diehard adherents of the Islamists’ eleventh commandment “Thou shall not lie or dissimilate (taqqeyh), deceive or cheat (ketman) unless it serves a higher purpose.” And to these devoted faithful, there is no higher purpose in the world than serving Allah’s bidding, as they like it and as they interpret it.

Keep in mind that the very name “Islam” means “submission,” unquestioning submission to the will of Allah.

Qur’an 33:36 “It is not for a believing man or a believing woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decided a matter, that they should [thereafter] have any choice about their affair. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has certainly strayed into clear error.”

And in the Quran itself, Allah gives these fellows their mandate: Cleanse the earth from all kefir (infidels), and help usher in the Golden Rule of Islam over a corrupt world. This high-purpose strategic goal of Islamization legitimizes any and all tactics.

Qur’an 8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”

Allah, in his kindness, leaves a bit of wiggle room for the unbelievers. Those who refuse to convert or whose life is spared may live under the rule of Islam by paying poll taxes (jizya).

Qur’an 9:29, “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”

These men of Allah are urged to use every “stratagem of war,” to kill and take the disbelievers as captives. The ones they do not kill, mostly women and children, they take as booty of war and slaves. These devotees of Allah have been and continue to be among the most persistent practitioners of slavery.

Qur’an 9:5, “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

“Every stratagem,” means every stratagem. No heinous act is out of bounds for these savages. They place children, for instance, in the backseat of a car bomb so that it could be waved through checkpoints without inspection. Then, the adults park the car in the midst of a shopping crowd, run out of the car and detonate it with the children inside. Horrific? Shocking? Barbaric? These are the same people who used thousands of Iranian children as minesweepers during the Iran-Iraq war to clear a path for their more valued armored vehicles.

free-iranAnd as for Iran’s mullahs’ unyielding drive to acquire the ultimate weapon, it is in obedience to the command of the Quran. And “terrorism,” abhorrent to the civilized world, is explicitly enjoined on the faithful.

Qur’an 8:59 “The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them. They are your enemy and Allah’s enemy.”

And for those who advocate retreating to the safety of “fortress America,” the following warning should dispel their vain hope. Europe is already partly invaded, and America and other infidel lands are next.

Qur’an 13:41 “Do they not see us advancing from all sides into the land (of the disbelievers), reducing its borders (by giving it to believers in war victories).”

It is worse than appeasement to negotiate a “deal” with the Iranian theocrats because any deal struck with these mullahs is only another ruse for them to further their plans. The UN resolutions are nothing more than pieces of paper good for burning, they can pass them all they want, president Ahmadinejad proclaims belligerently. These Islamists go by their 1400-year-old charter of Allah, the Qur’an, the same charter that they hold in one hand while slashing the throat of an innocent infidel and yelling joyously “Allah is the greatest” the whole time.

To the misguided “Supreme Guide,” mullah Ali Khamenei of Iran, a few words are in order. The civilized Iranians, descendants of Cyrus the Great, find you, mullah Ali Khamenei, and your cabal of Islamists guilty of heinous crimes. A partial list of charges is given below.


  • You do not represent the Iranian people. You are an Islamist terrorist. You are a usurper of power. You are guilty of transforming a noble nation into a world pariah.
  • You are denying and violating a long-suffering people all its human rights.
  • You are guilty of beating, imprisoning and torturing a few dozen women who braved participating in a peaceful demonstration pleading for equal family rights, on the recent International Day of Women.
  • You systematically beat, rape, imprison, and torture all manner of citizens, from school teachers to students to union workers, for daring to raise their voices against the plight to which you have subjected them.
  • You savagely beat and haul to your dungeons of torture and death over a thousand of the tens of thousands of teachers who had gathered in front of the parliament requesting nothing more than their back pay and living wages.
  • In late 2009, you ordered the Basij forces, revolutionary guards, plain-clothed and government forces to massacre thousands of innocent people in a mass popular uprising over the fraudulent presidential election of your puppet, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
  • You direct systematic genocidal measures against all non-Shi’a religious minorities, with Baha’is as prime target, and genocidal actions against political groups; support of international terrorism; demolition of religious sites and cemeteries; for rape, torture, and summary execution of prisoners of conscience; forgery of documents, acts of blackmail and fraud, and much more.
  • You arrest some Christians; even your Quran calls “People of the Book,” for observing Christmas.
  • You implement barbaric practices of stoning, hanging and amputations for those who are convicted of crimes in your kangaroo courts without due process. You even imprison those few lawyers who rise in the defense of the innocent.
  • You plunder, mismanage and dole out Iran’s national wealth with the result that the great majority of the people are living in poverty. Iranian women are forced into prostitution to survive or simply sold as sex slaves in Persian Gulf states.
  • Your fascist misrule of nearly three decades has driven millions of Iran’s best children to the four corners of the world. Hundreds of thousands of educated Iranians are compelled to continue the exodus, depriving Iran of sorely needed talents at home.
  • You spend a fortune on the nuclear program that you claim is only aimed for peaceful purposes, while turning Iran into little more than a gas station nation, with its precious oil wealth squandered and its facilities on the verge of collapse through neglect.
  • You have created a suffocating social atmosphere that has driven masses of the people to the use of hard drugs as a way of numbing their pain.


  • You look far and wide to support any and all terrorists. Your delusional theology mandates the creation of horrific conditions in the world so that your Hidden Imam is compelled to appear and establish his rule.
  • You spare no efforts at sabotaging any settlement between the Palestinians and Israelis. You arm and train all Palestinian factions such as Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and any and all that come.
  • You direct similar criminal schemes on your eastern flank, in Afghanistan. You consider any democratic system as the enemy of Islamofascism, and rightfully so.
  • You work ceaselessly, expand Iran’s stolen funds, and do all you can in support of your Shi’a co-fascists Hezbollah in Lebanon.
  • Your hands are dripping with the blood of thousands of Iraqis, victims of your bloodthirsty kin mercenaries aiming to kill a budding democracy in Iraq next door.
  • You supplied your mercenaries with armor-piercing projectiles for killing and maiming the coalition forces in Iraq. Your cowardly killing by proxy, used these roadside planted bombs, have taken the lives of hundreds of Americans.
  • You interpreted the highly subdued reactions of the coalition to your savage actions as indications of weakness. So, you found it in yourself to venture into direct confrontation by capturing lightly armed British sailors and marines in Iraqi waters.
  • You are responsible for helping Syrian forces slaughter seekers of freedom.
  • You directly orchestrated an attack on the British embassy in Tehran last month and called the action of your “thugs,” “student protests.”
  • You plotted to assassinate the Saudi ambassador, Adel al-Jubeir, on US soil.

bonfireofthemullahsTo misguided advocates of negotiation with the devil (mullahs), beware. The mullahs are on an Allah-mandated mission. They are intoxicated with petrodollars and aim to settle for nothing less than complete domination of the world under the Islamic Ummah.

And to you, the misguided mullah Ali Khamenei, don’t be fooled by the sycophants who misinform you. Don’t threaten the West by either as-yet-to-be functional nuclear weapons or your fantasized sleeper cells. You will be terribly disappointed when Iranian expatriates everywhere will be among the very first to help the authorities find your sleeper cells, if any actually exist, and put them into permanent sleep.

I also reiterate the words of Prince Reza Pahlavi that Ayatollah Ali Khamenei must be held responsible and tried in the international court for crimes against humanity.

Freedom may suffer retreats periodically and tyranny may advance occasionally. Yet, free people everywhere will meet any challenge and pay any price to safeguard the precious treasure of freedom for themselves and the finest legacy they can leave for the next generation.


Amil Imani is the author of Obama Meets Ahmadinejad and Operation Persian Gulf.

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False Foundations
written by Walter Sieruk , December 21, 2011
The Islamic "republic" of Iran is false both in its name and foundation. First, its not a real republic but a ruthless dictatorship. Second, it's constition is based on the Quran which is a false foundation. This has been shown in this and othe internet siteas as well as in many books . A goverment with a religion which are both based on a false foundataion in the progsesion of time will not last.
written by aaki , December 21, 2011
seems like the dead shah has a mouthpiece.
Answers from ISlam
written by doodie , December 22, 2011
I collected some pretty ridiculous question and answers from Islam-QA, a sunni fundie site. No exaggerations......real answers from the Islamic Scholars. http://doodiepants.com/2010/06...om-part-1/

Search for part 2 on the site if you're interested in more ridiculousness.
Do you approve killing by Khameni?
written by to aaki , December 22, 2011
So, to you anybody who defends freedom and life is a mouthpiece of the late shah? Shame on you, eternal shame on you muslim terrorist who have no shame, who have no feelings.
The Wicked Mullahs of Iran
written by Walter Sieruk , December 22, 2011
Amil Imani is right when he wrote about the mullahs of iran that "No heinous act is out of bonds for these savages. " Just one of many examples of this is when they programe young people into believing the fable of a doctrine about a paradise for the jihadist who dies for Islam. The readers might notice that the mullahs are neve rthe one that carry out the suicide acts, They just send other people out to do it. Morover, in the 1980's during the Iran-Iraq war on a television interveiw by an American news corresponded with a wound Iranian soldier in the hospital the soldier spoke aof a paradise with 72 virgins. The interviewer answered him "But that's a matarial and carnal idea of the flesh, What doe's that have to do with an afterlife with God. The soldier replied "I dont know, I try not to think of that too much." The reader may be sure that he didn't and was programmed by the mullahs not to. This is the results of those brianwashed in the madrassas and mosques. Furthermore, This teaching of a paradise with virgins for the jihadist is in contradiction to the Bible, Matthew 22:29.30. Second Timothy 4:3,4. so that no Christian would believe such nonsence. Also, any intelligent non-christian is able to see that this teaching from the Quran as a far-fetched hoax without the Bible as a guide and reference to what teaching are true or not. For example, the French philosopher Francois-Marie Voltaire [1694-1778] wrote "As long as men continue to believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities."
More Irans to come?
written by Gnostic , December 22, 2011
I am afraid we will see some Islamic Republics emerging in countries like Egypt,
Tunesia and elsewhere. Progressive people make the revolution and islamists will take
the power and will never again give it out of their hands. My only hope is that this will open the eyes of many muslims. There are probably more apostates of islam in Iran than anywhere else.
written by Tanstaafl jw , December 22, 2011
Islam was founded by a sociopath, run by sociopaths and a system which demands sociopathic behavior from its followers.
written by fineliving56 , December 23, 2011
I like to raise the issue of why is a poster like Duh Swami is band and others who clearly are far more rule breakers and they still can post .

I have read all his posts last month and I did find anything vulgar or out of the norm …I find him truthful and right to the point with just enough humor to light things up around here.
His posts makes me laugh some times when laughing is the last thing I could think off to do or could do …may be that, is not a good reason to let him back …but cant you do it because it is a good reason to us …
I am asking of you please to let him able to post again because he is one the best of the regular posters here if that is not too much trouble.
By the way I do not know the guide line for what is considered a cause to block a poster from posting ?
written by dead or alive , December 23, 2011
I could not log on for about a week and then got let in.I seen duh over at JW.
Or come to think of it,
written by dead or alive , December 23, 2011
What happen to Reed Wilson?Or that guy who calls all Muslims snakes?I miss em too.
Duh not banned
written by Editor, M. A. Khan , December 24, 2011
Duh has been an unfortunate victim of our site's security system which often kicks out some innocent users. As I am traveling overseas with limited access to internet, I am unable to sort it out until beginning of the year. If anybody is in touch with Duh, advice him to change his IP or wait until the first weeks of Jan 2012.
Iranm drug cartals and Hezbollh
written by Walter Sieruk , December 24, 2011
Brigitte Gabbiel who is the founder of www.actforamerica.org was on the radio and she said that Iran is working with the drug cartals to help spread drug use in America and that Iran also send Hezbollah terrorists into America through porous boprders with Mexico.
Can you negotiate when Muslims are not going to change?
written by lw1 , December 24, 2011
Every word of Quran has to be obeyed.
Of course tafseer is needed to understand Quran although Allah has said that Quran is 'clear'.
Muslims will pretend to be peaceful until they get strong enough and then they start causing trouble.
written by Noel , December 25, 2011
Happy Holidays
Merry Christmas
Happy Hanukah
Seasons Greetings

and a joyous,healthy and safe New Year.
written by fineliving56 , December 25, 2011
I second that ….

Happy Holidays to all …

joyous,healthy,safe and I add peaceful new year.
Peace and Good Will
written by Yibel , December 25, 2011
And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord. And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger. And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men. Luke 8-14 (NT)
written by Cererum123 , December 26, 2011
Even though Christmas is now over ,I still wish everyone the best. Happy New Year ,and may the next year be even better.
written by Mark , December 26, 2011
The US army have gone but the Crusaders shall stay, and then we will have a word wih the devil spawn obama
Hypocrisy of the Islamic kind
written by fineliving56 , December 26, 2011
A story of a Muslim hypocrisy and crime….

One Muslim woman virtue that belong to a one Muslim man, has nothing to do with some other Muslim women's virtue that belong to some other Muslim man [ I hope I worded it right …but please bear with me …you will get the point ].

I will tell everyone a story that happened a month ago in Aleppo and will proof that

The uprising in Syria caused, real crime to shoot up. With all the confusion, real thugs,rapist and thieves started to put on military uniforms that they stole from the Shbbiiha Army men, and they used to do their heinous acts.

A family was stopped in one of hundreds of check points outside Aleppo, by what, it look like military guys with guns but with no booth. Booths needed to be their to shield men from the bitter cold, and it gives identity to the Army with their Syrian flag wrapped around it.

When the father stopped, one of the men told all members of the family to step down…the father, mother,pretty daughter and a 10 year old son …that is by it self is unusual because families are always let go without search ….only signal men were being told to step down.

First they were told to give all gold and other valuables that they have on them, and then two men, held the women one aside and the father, son across from them, and they told the men to CHOOSE WHICH WOMEN THE FATHER LIKES TO KEEP …HIS WIVE OR HIS BEAUTIFUL DOUGHTIER ….the men as you can imagine had the dilemma of his life, he choose to keep his daughter because he thought a virgin girl, will be scarred for life from sure rape that is about to happen ….so the thugs took off with the daughter[ we thought the father should thank his God that they did not rape her in front of him]

The father helplessly drove back to the city with his son and daughter ….dropped them off at his mothers house with the excuse that he is going to call the useless Syrian police, but instead, he drove to his home alone …took his gun and SHOT HIM SELF IN THE HEAD …in pure disgust with him self.

This incident is not rare any more like it used to be …crime is every day …that is aside from the killings that is done by the Army …

Muslim Women and children are being used to make husband do what they despise to do to break their souls …but these same Muslim thugs will kill them selves for the thought of a women of theirs is raped ….

True hypocrisy …..
More arab spring
written by Mozlem , December 27, 2011
Libyan freedom fighters demand now virgin wives married from before or not.
Single wife law out in the toilet.

written by Scrutator , December 27, 2011
fineliving56, in support of your account above, look at the "rights" Islam bestows on muslim women:-


1) A muslim male can marry up to 4 wives simultaneously, a muslim woman cannot have up to 4 spouses at the same time.

2) A muslim man can BEAT(SCOURGE) his wife on mere suspicion of rebellion, a muslim woman cannot do so to her husband, no matter how lecherous, tyrannical or unjust he is.

{NOTE: The wife does not need to go against Islam to get beaten, the husband needs only to SUSPECT rebellion on her part to give her a good thrashing ! Quran prescribes the steps before beating of a wife as follows: ADMONISH HER, DO NOT SHARE HER BED, INCARCERATE HER IN A SEPARATE ROOM & FINALLY BEAT HER !}

3) A muslim man can divorce his wife merely by uttering the word 'talaq' thrice, without assigning any reason for this ! The wife cannot divorce her husband in a likewise manner.

{I know Islamists will jump up and say the wife can go for a 'khula divorce' in a Sharia court, but it is a long winded and cumbersome process, where even if she wins, she loses custody of her children and any rights to the 'mehr' amount. KHULA DIVORCE IS NOT THE SAME AS THE TRIPLE TALAQ FACILITY ENJOYED BY MUSLIM MEN.}

4) A muslim man can marry a muslim, Christian or Jewish woman according to the Quran, but a muslim woman is only ever allowed to marry a muslim man.

5) From the deceased parents' estate, a muslim man inherits twice what his female siblings inherit.

6) In a Sharia court, as far witnesses go, a man's witness is worth twice that of a muslim woman.

7) A muslim can leave her house ONLY with her husband's permission, while the husband needs no such permission from his wife to leave home.

8) A raped muslim woman has to produce four male witnesses, otherwise she is accused of adultery/zina. Will a man ever rape a woman with four guys watching the proceedings ?

9) A muslim wife has to be ready always to provide "sex on demand" by her husband, no matter what the situation is !

10) According to the Quran, a husband must confine his wife inside a locked room for "lewd" behaviour till " she starves to death or Allah decides otherwise". Where does it say a muslim wife has the right to do the same with a cheating/lecherous husband ?

For more such discriminatory rules against the woman, refer to the Quran (explained in detailed in the Hadiths).

If this is the sort of "respect" muslim girls get from Islam, is anyone surprised they leave the faith in droves ?
written by Scrutator , December 27, 2011
"More arab spring
written by Mozlem, December 27, 2011
Libyan freedom fighters demand now virgin wives married from before or not. ......

Mozlem, a quick hymen repair job might be the solution, lol !
One example of the famous love that Muslims always sing and dance about Islam bestow on women n
written by fineliving56 , December 27, 2011
I found out a new information on my trip that I never knew before ….

You can hire villagers with their families to harvest olives and the pay is this:

8 dollars per day for a man
6 dollares per day for a women
Children ….no pay …they are nothing but owned property

When I asked why the unfair pay while everyone knows , women, are the ones who work the hardest while the men you see sitting sipping tea ….

The answer was, women need protection and they are lucky they get paid …

as for children there is no guide line for making kids work

To fineliving 56 & Scrutator
written by Archpagan , December 27, 2011
Our Kashmiri terrorists have devised a very simple way to satisfy their lust without violating Islamic law. As there is no infidel left in the Kashmir valley, the terrorist would break into a household with beautiful housewife and force the husband to utter triple talaq at gun point. Then, the housewife is gang raped by the terrorists. But, mercifully, before leaving they would care to deliver triple talaq to the victim, so that she can remarry her husband. Rape is equal to marriage under Islamic law, isn't that?
Ooops …Sorry …in my post titled '' Hypocrisy of the Islamic kind ''
written by fineliving56 , December 27, 2011
I made a mistake when, I said '' The thugs took off with the daughter '' , which of course it should say '' the thugs took off with the wife'' …big mistake the whole incident would have made no sense otherwise…..

I am sure readers knew what I meant to say ….thanks
written by fineliving56 , December 27, 2011
Wow ….that is an inventive new level of sickness that humanity reached with manipulation of already unfair and unjust rules against Muslim women ….

Are these Kashmiri terrorists are Muslims ???…

I am assuming they are, otherwise why would they use Islamic divorce rules ????
written by Scrutator , December 27, 2011
"written by Archpagan, December 27, 2011
Our Kashmiri terrorists have devised a very simple way to satisfy their lust without violating Islamic law. As there is no infidel left in the Kashmir valley, the terrorist would break into a household with beautiful housewife and force the husband to utter triple talaq at gun point. Then, the housewife is gang raped by the terrorists. But, mercifully, before leaving they would care to deliver triple talaq to the victim, so that she can remarry her husband. Rape is equal to marriage under Islamic law, isn't that?"

Wow, this is news to me ! Thus marriage = rape = 'halala' !

'Halala' is the procedure in Islam where, if a husband, in a fit of anger, divorced his wife and later realized his folly, he cannot then re-marry his (former) wife till she has been married to another man who consumates the marriage by making love to her and then agrees to divorce her. Only after this rig-marole can the woman get married to her former husband !

Kashmiri terrorists mercifully (as Archpagan says) have packaged 'rape' and 'halala' all into one !

I keep thinking if Islam with its archaic rules, will ever cease to roll out its wonders for the non-muslims !
A sample of the happy live of one Muslim women caused by the genius idea of meltable wives
written by fineliving56 , December 28, 2011

One upon a time a 23 years old beautiful college educated Muslim woman [ I will name her Rose for privacy reason ] [ please ...do not be fooled by the word educated women , Muslim women could have all the education in the world but still, set their common sense aside and do the most ignorant acts ] was doped to marry to a man who is 20 years her senior with fat pocket. She had her wedding after only ten days ….YES, YOU READ IT QUIRKILY ..10 SHORT DAYS .

Well….Non was surprised when after 3 kids and 5 years marriage divorce was singed and she was off to her family without her children to face the stigma and shame for being blamed for her ailed marriage.

One year past by, Her brother caught her with a man in a room alone , she was beaten and shunned by the family until, she could not take it any more, so she ran away, she was found and brought back to face a lot more shame and imprisonment in her room by her father who had not the heart to slit her throat to bring back his honer.
written by fineliving56 , December 28, 2011
there is a second part of my last post and it was gone for inspection …I hope it appears back again to see the end of Rose's sad story.
@ fineliving
written by Mozlem , December 29, 2011
She could have chosen muta or misyar marriage to make it legal ?
written by fineliving56 , December 29, 2011
Well …

I have been trying to post the second part of Rose's story and this machine is not letting me …yet it let me write a remark like this …strange ….I will try later
written by fineliving56 , December 29, 2011
Can you tell me please what is MUTA .and what is MISYAR marriages ?

You made me curious …thanks
Lets talk about Wife Beating!
written by Gnostic , December 30, 2011
It is so long ago and it was so interesting ... It is time to turn back to this matter to teach all these wife beaters why their wife beating religion is so wrong.
Wife Beating for Beginners
written by Wife Beater , December 30, 2011
Yes, I agree! We all should read the Quran also known as Manual for Wife Beating Beginners. Learn more about the merits of Wife Beating in order to achieve peace, harmony and wisdom according to islamic wife beating philosophy! But what does Wife Beating mean in todays modern times? It means that there is no ancient time and no modern time at all. Every time is wife beating time!
Re: Wife Beater
written by WBA (Wife Beating Association = Muslim World) , December 30, 2011
I could not agree more with you but we all should increase our efforts even more. We have to show to the world how important wife beating really is. The fact that it was revealed by our god Allah clearly shows that it is an important contribution of islam to the world. If not, why should Allah have revealed it to us!? And since there are so many things NOT revealed by god such as almost any invention it becomes clear that wife beating is really, really ver, very important not only to us, but also to Allah!
@fineliving muta and misyar or temp marriages , travellers marriage or tester marriage
written by Mozlem , December 31, 2011
Misyar or nikah misyar is the travellers marriage for sunnis


Muta marriage or nikah muta is the shia version.


I will not repeat from wiki

Muta is used to provide pleasure in religious pilgrimages in Iran for the mosque runs the show and the state appoint the muta inspector. These brothels are locall called fun houses but officailly they are chastity houses. Govt or mosque profits from the business in terms of licence fee. Both are marriages without commitmnets and are pre ordained to divorce after fixed term.
written by fineliving56 , December 31, 2011
I have suspected that is the meaning
In Arabic it called …Zwage al Mittah or Muta like you said …. I did not recognize the word
There is a Lebanese supper star who has married 12 times her name Sapah…2 of her marriages were Mutah marriages …one of them only lasted 48 hours to a young actor …every one knew, it was for lust and it has nothing to do with real marriage.
New heights attained in wife beating
written by Mozlem , December 31, 2011
written by Cererum123 , December 31, 2011
The word marriage shouldn't even be used to describe muta. It is legalized prostitution end of story. Real marriage is a commitment to one person of the opposite sex for life ,and is something that was instituted by God. That is what a marriage is supposed to be. In the Bible the bride and groom are described as becoming "one flesh". Two previously separate individuals coming together to form one whole ,that is both a physical oneness and a spiritual oneness involved in this. God made Adam and Eve as the example of what marriage should be. Unfortunately many people reject this example. From what I understand in the Arabic Quran the word translated as marriage is not actually even the Arabic equivalent of marriage. I don't think Mohammed really understood what marriage is really about ,and this has now been spread through the ages even until now. All Mohammed cared about was the physical intimacy between a man and a woman ,and probably didn't even realize that there could be a spiritual intimacy as well. Even the Quran's idea of heaven is anathema to the Biblical understanding of marriage(although the Bible says that there will be no marriage in heaven). I also don't understand what a woman is supposed to receive as her reward in heaven in Islam. I know the men get their houris (I know Reed may say that this is not in the Quran ,but it's only the number 72 not in the Quran rather than houris),but what does a devout Muslim woman get as her reward? I've never heard anywhere of what a woman gets in "Jannat".
Islamic marriage or something else
written by Mozlem , December 31, 2011
There is no marriage in Islam muta or not.

Nikah is just a contract with mehar being paid as price of her organ..

There is no basis of love or any other emotion. Hate maybe!
written by Healer_999 , December 31, 2011

written by DWITO , January 01, 2012

Religions Are Obsolete
written by KAY , January 03, 2012

Religions became Obsolete the day Scientific knowlegde started. The GOD of Science must be different from the GOD of religions. Looks like Scientific God took over from Religious God.

Muslims still believe in God of Religions. Intelligent Humans believe in God of Science. I believe in Newtons God, Einsteins God and Stephen Hawkings God.
Devil's form
written by lw1 , January 03, 2012
If other religions are headache, Islam is Aids which kills most Muslims by Muslim hands.
written by This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it , January 04, 2012
Surah 112. Al-Ikhlas
1. Say: He is Allah, the One!
2. Allah, the eternally Besought of all!
3. He begetteth not nor was begotten.
4. And there is none comparable unto Him.TRANSLATE QURAN BY PICKTHAL
written by fineliving56 , January 04, 2012
That is what you say….. because Quran says ….or Muhammad says ….or the fake Allah says ….there is no proof of anything that all what Quran/Muhammad/Allah says is true and it came from any God.

So ….It is up to you, Muslims ,to provide the PROOFS ….

so far nothing….

all you people say…Quran said this …Quran said that ….Quran can not proof it self

so try again
Where do the women go
written by Yibel , January 04, 2012
To hell, that's where. Muhammad said he went to the seven levels of hell which he found were full of jinn and wives. Since all Muslim women end up married (sometimes at age six or less), most apparently end up in Islamic hell, both in this life and the next.

The so-called righteous Muslim men, however, end up in a paradise with gardens and fountains, and We (Muhammad's 99 gods) shall wed them to dark-eyed houris. 44.50, 52.15-30, 55.52-78, 56.27-40. Meanwhile their earthly wives are sent to hell. Lots of really bad punishment there. 44.43, 52.13, 56.40-55, 56.95

Muhammad/Allah says: Believers, you have an enemy in your spouses and children. Beware of them. 64.14
written by Brown Superman , January 05, 2012
The women were already in the 7 levels of hell..... even before the kiamet day?

Or was the judgement day held without the other muslims' knowledge?
written by This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it , January 05, 2012
back to islam
written by This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it , January 05, 2012
255. Allah! There is no God save Him, the Alive, the Eternal. Neither slumber nor sleep overtaketh Him. Unto Him
belongeth whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth. Who is he that intercedeth with Him save by His
leave? He knoweth that which is in front of them and that which is behind them, while they encompass nothing of His
knowledge save what He will. His throne includeth the heavens and the earth, and He is never weary of preserving them.
He is the Sublime, the Tremendous
written by Cerebrum123 , January 05, 2012
You need to remove Newton from that list ,because Newton was a devout Christian. In fact he wrote more about God ,and the Bible than he did about science. Modern science is a direct result of Biblical Christianity. Without Biblical presuppositions we never would have gotten past alchemy and astrology. Nearly every branch of modern science was founded by a Christian. In fact most of the greatest scientists of all time were Christian. (Francis Bacon ,Blaise Pascal , Isaac Newton ,Louis Pasteur ,Galileo, Johannes Kepler etc.)
Back to this Islam?
written by lw1 , January 05, 2012
Yahoo Maktoob, 5/1/2012. 53 dead as Iraq bombs hit Shites.
A spate of attacks against Shiite pilgrims and neighbourhoods in Iraq killed at least 53 people on Thursday as the country grapples with a weeks long political row that has stoked sectarian tensions. The violence which wounded more than 100, was the worst since attacks killed 60 people across Baghdad onDecember 22, 2111, soon after crisis erupted when Vice President Tareq al-Hashemi was charged with running a hit squad and following the US troop pull-out.
Must see site
written by An agnostic , January 05, 2012
www.islaminindia.org and this is a must see section. This section must be widely advertized http://www.islaminindia.org/ca...cal-proofs
PERSONAL APPEAL TO Islam-watch.org's editor from a friend (Please read, islam-watch people)
written by An agnostic , January 05, 2012
THIS IS A MAIL TO ALI SINA. I am a Hindu from India. I want that you be able to trap the CASUAL AUDIENCE and enthrall them.This is a must-read story of how you left Islam. It must be easily accessible.
or http://www.faithfreedom.org/Ar...belief.htm
With such excellent wok since 2001 when you launched your site faithfreedom.org you helped many Muslims become apostates and also in awakening the non-Muslims about the danger of Islam. BUT UNFORTUNATELY AFTER 2010 there is a big mistake done by both faithfreedom and islam-watch.org
Earlier the faithfreedom.org was perfect, with the challenge being posted boldly in red colour and all crucial material proving that Islam is false (such as the numerous mistakes in the Quran) being accessible easily. Now after 2010, the site saw a so-called 'revamp'. The revamped site was crap, with challenge not being posted properly, and instead of having scholarly articles proving that Islam is false as well as violent, only news of the world was seen on the home. The website became difficult to access and navigate with crucial information hidden inside and only news and opinions available outside. After many complaints you launched www.alisina.org which is much better than www.faithfreedom.org We have urged Dr Sina to revert to the earlier website www.faithfreedom.org.
Cont last (PLEASE READ)
written by An agnostic , January 05, 2012
www.islam-watch.org It too after revamp has become bad. But islam-watch.org does not give a contact email ID. Please urge Dr M A Khan and www.islam-watch.org people to give a contact email ID. Only comments can be posted there and somehow I am unable to do even that, as the system gives some errors.In 2001, you predicted the fall of Islam in our own lifetime. even others have predicted this before you and after you too. Koenraad Elst feels that Islam will end sometime this century. Somehow, I do not share this view (though I wish it was true). This is because, even after 10 years of your prediction, Islam has only grown not reduced. There is not the slightest indication of any change in the Muslim world for the better, only for the worse. Not only is this due to higher birth rate of Muslims, Muslims are getting more and more converts every day. So many Westerners are converting to Islam. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...faith.html
If they want spirituality and peace of mind they can have other relgions like Hinduism, Buddhism but so many are converting to Islam. Muslim population in India has grown alarmingly, and since AD 1881 when there was United India, Muslim population has grown from 19 % to 36 % now (including India Pakistan Bangladesh). Even on the internet, which is supposed to bring the demise of Islam, Islam is winning. Islam is getting more converts due to internet sites like www.islamreligion.com and from showmen like Zakir Naik. As a minimum, we must first win the internet battle. On the internet we can see anger against pro-Muslim Leftist media in USA and India also by Christians in USA and Hindus in India. But we can see no such apostasy from Muslims about Islam on the internet.
Please try to give me a response. Thank you, and wish you all the very best in your effort.
written by BILAL , January 06, 2012
Holy Quran say about jesus (Prophet isa son of Maryam)
written by BILAL , January 06, 2012
quran surah 19 maryam
16. And make mention of Mary in the Scripture, when she had withdrawn from her people to a chamber looking East,
17. And had chosen seclusion from them. Then We sent unto her Our spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a
perfect man.
18. She said: Lo! I seek refuge in the Beneficent One from thee, if thou art God fearing.
19. He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.
20. She said: How can I have a son when no mortal hath touched me, neither have I been unchaste!
21. He said: So (it will be). Thy Lord saith: It is easy for Me. And (it will be) that We may make of him a revelation
for mankind and a mercy from Us, and it is a thing ordained.
22. And she, conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a place.
23. And the pangs of childbirth drove her unto the trunk of the palm tree. She said: Oh, would that I had died ere this
and had become a thing of naught, forgotten!
24. Then (one) cried unto her from below her, saying: Grieve not! Thy Lord hath placed a rivulet beneath thee,
25. And shake the trunk of the palm tree toward thee, thou wilt cause ripe dates to fall upon thee.
26. So eat and drink and be consoled. And if thou meetest any mortal, say: Lo! I have vowed a fast unto the Beneficent,
and may not speak this day to any mortal.
27. Then she brought him to her own folk, carrying him. They said: O Mary! Thou hast come with an amazing thing.
28. Oh sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot.
29. Then she pointed to him. They said How can we tale to one who is in the cradle, a young boy?
30. He spake: Lo! I am the slave of Allah. He hath given me the Scripture and hath appointed me a Prophet,
31. And hath made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and hath enjoined upon me prayer and alms giving so long as I
remain alive,
32. And (hath made me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest.
33. Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive!
34. Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth concerning which they doubt.
35. It befitteth not (the Majesty of) Allah that He should take unto Himself a son. Glory be to Him! When He decreeth
a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is.
Islam and Jesus
written by Gnostic , January 06, 2012
There is nothing new or genuine about Jesus in the quran. Instead the quran accepts that many about Jesus from the bible is true while other things are not. Moreover, there are many indications that the author of the quran did not really understand what is written in the bible. For example: Sister of Aaron (from the quote above) suggests that Jesus was a close relative of Aaron who in fact supposedly lived hundreds of years before Jesus. (I say supposedly because I do not think that Aaron existed historically. He is a fictional character). Moreover, the author of the quran has no understanding of the bible at all. He takes all the miracles etc. for true. But the virginity of Mary, miracles and similar stories canot be taken for true. The viriginity is heavily disputed by the jews and in fact of greek origin. In fact the virginity of Mary was ingented in order to express the divine character of Jesus which contradicts the quranic view that he was only a human. The same difficulties appear with the identification of Jesus with the "word" in the quran. This is also of greek origin and a translation of "Logos" which means "logik", "principle" and many other things. When the quran accepts that Jesus was the word then it also accepts that he was the Logos and identical to the divine principle which strictly opposes the islamic view that Jesus was only a human. However, here we can see that the author of the quran did not understand at all what he was writing about.
written by vbv , January 06, 2012
The citations that you have given proves nothing just as you can cite arabian night tales or Cinderella, or Snowwhite and the seven Dwarfs ,or Rumplestitskin,etc. Your citation of sura 112 has nothing unique : it has been copied from the Old Testament ,which in turn was influence by Zend Avesta of the Zoroastrians. Infact it was the zoroastrians who can rightly claim to be the originators of monotheism. Zoroastrianism predates Bible by a few centuries. Quran is an usurpation from other scriptures ,mixed with the arabian barbarianisms and the 'god' of its founder Muhamad ,Allah. Without the Bible and its patriarchs/;prophets' Quran cannot exist . Muhamad used the biblical characters to chart his political ambitions. He was a vengeful murderer, rapist, plunderer and a destroyer of civilisations to impose arab supremacy on all. That is why muslims always face the black stone in the Kaaba in the Mecca mosque. Their Allah is house in that Kaaba in the form of an ugly black stone. And muslims must do their circumambulation seven times around that black stone compulsorily as a part of their socalled pilgrimage. So , Allah is not "begotten" but still he is imprisoned in an out-of-shape black stone. That is hypocrisy, fraud, and worst form of obfuscation. The sura 112 is a hollow claim , a claim usurped from the Bible. So much for muslims' honesty - it is the grandest perjury.
written by BILAL , January 06, 2012
46. And We caused Jesus, son of Mary, to follow in their footsteps, confirming that which was (revealed) before him,
and We bestowed on him the Gospel wherein is guidance and a light, confirming that which was (revealed) before it
in the Torah a guidance and an admonition unto those who ward off (evil).
47. Let the People of the Gospel judge by that which Allah hath revealed therein. Whoso judgeth not by that which
Allah hath revealed; such are evil livers.
the opening quran
written by BILAL , January 06, 2012
1. In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
2. Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds,
3. The Beneficent, the Merciful.
4. Owner of the Day of Judgment,
5. Thee (alone) we worship; Thee alone we ask for help.
6. Show us the straight path,
7. The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not (the path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who
translate by pickhtall
islam is the straight path
written by BILAL , January 06, 2012
surah 2
1. Alif. Lam. Mim.
2. This is the Scripture whereof there is no doubt, a guidance unto those who ward off (evil).
3. Who believe in the unseen, and establish worship, and spend of that We have bestowed upon them;
4. And who believe in that which is revealed unto thee (Muhammad) and that which was revealed before thee, and are
certain of the Hereafter.
5. These depend on guidance from their Lord. These are the successful.
No doubt in Quran?
written by lw1 , January 06, 2012
Even Allah was not sure about Quran and that is why he Abrogated.

Why is there so much hatred and threats in Quran?
Why deny your brothers and sisters? Only some are Muslim countries?
written by lw1 , January 06, 2012
So Iraq,Syria,Somalia etc are not Muslim countries?
When you want to count number of Muslims in the world you count all these countries, but when atrocities are committed by Muslims you want to say that they are not Muslims.

Your 'Prophet' Mohammad ordered killing of about 900 Jews who had surrendered. Why do you not deny him?
written by fineliving56 , January 06, 2012
Proofs …please ..!!!!???

Outside your Quran ….please ….

Proofs of what you wrote, came from any God !!!????

And if you can't ….please go away

you are talking to people who they already established that your...

Quran IS a lie ...

Muhammad is a lier ...

Allah is a lie ...

@ vbv
written by Cerebrum123 , January 06, 2012
Actually if you look to the earliest parts of nearly any ancient culture you will find out that they were originally monotheists. Monotheism was found to be the early form of Sumerian ,Egyptian ,Chinese ,and even Indian culture. Unfortunately as people moved further ,and further from God ,they devolved into various forms of polytheism ,and nature worship.


Micheal Jackson never converted to Islam. This is a hoax. Also most of what was said about Jesus and Mary in the Quran never happened. No palm tree ,no talking baby Jesus ,and she certainly was NOT the sister of Aaron(he lived in the time of Moses over a thousand years before her). Mohammed got her confused with Miriam the sister of Moses and Aaron.
jacko learn more about islam and creates song islam version
written by BILAL , January 07, 2012
Michael Jackson and his song.this proof he is islam.
1.islam in my vein
2.give thanks to Allah
3.Muhammad SAW
5.Allah my god.

in his song islam my vein he say "ocean a part....kakbah, ihram..Oh Allah I am waiting for te call(hajj)"
open you tube.
song islam my vein
written by BILAL , January 07, 2012
Allah my God by michael jackson
written by BILAL , January 07, 2012
Michael Jackson...
written by bundypig , January 07, 2012
was a freak who didn't know if he was white or black, male or female and he coud dance. So islam would execute him because we all know there is no humour or fun in islam, especially homo's dancing.
But, as he was a pedophile like mo, he may have been given graces... lolol
Get a life bilal, we all know on here what your death cult is on about, go and waste bandwidth somewhere else.
zabur,torah,injil(gospel),quran from Allah
written by BILAL , January 07, 2012
all prophet like,daud(david), musa(moses),isa son of maryam(jesus),they for jews.
Muhammad the messenger of Allah.and Quran from Allah to Muhammad to all people in the world.believe or not.we must think no body can make Quran.no body.
Allah say in Quran that Holy quran from Allah the god of human
written by BILAL , January 07, 2012
1. By the Star when it setteth,
2. Your comrade erreth not, nor is deceived;
3. Nor doth he speak of (his own) desire.
4. It is naught save an inspiration that is inspired,
5. Which one of mighty powers hath taught him,
6. One vigorous; and he grew clear to view
7. When he was on the uppermost horizon.
8. Then be drew nigh and came down
9. Till he was (distant) two bows length or even nearer,
10. And He revealed unto His slave that which He revealed.
11. The heart lied not (in seeing) what it saw.
12. Will ye then dispute with him concerning what he seeth?
13. And verily he saw him, yet another time
14. By the lote tree of the utmost boundary,
15. Nigh unto which is the Garden of Abode.
16. When that which shroudeth did enshroud the lote tree,
17. The eye turned not aside nor yet was overbold.
18. Verily he saw one of the greater revelations of his Lord.
written by BILAL , January 07, 2012
Why deny your brothers and sisters? Only some are Muslim countries?
written by lw1 , January 06, 2012
So Iraq,Syria,Somalia etc are not Muslim countries?
When you want to count number of Muslims in the world you count all these countries, but when atrocities are committed by Muslims you want to say that they are not Muslims.

Your 'Prophet' Mohammad ordered killing of about 900 Jews who had surrendered. Why do you not deny him?
MANY JEWS BACK TO ISLAM you ought to ask to them.why they back to islam?, like cat steven(yusuf islam) etc.
in Indonesia DR Yahya Waloni ex Priest back to islam, many people back to islam with him .open his video.
written by Cerebrum123 , January 07, 2012
The person who is actually singing in that video sounds like Micheal Jackson ,but it is not him. It is someone else. Go to wikiislam.net/wiki/Micheal_Jackson_(Conversion_to_Islam) for the full story. My guess about these Jews is that they do not know the whole story about Islam. Also the claim that the Quran is a miracle from God ,because it is superior poetry is like saying that the works of Shakespeare are miracles from God or that music from Beethoven is from God ,because it is the best (these are just examples of what some people could claim to be miraculous ,because of them being considered to be great quality).
To BILAL, the greatest momin around !
written by Scrutator , January 07, 2012
Bilal, could you please help me, I have a few queries about the Day of Judgement :-

1) It is said on that Day, everyone will line up, NAKED, in front of the intercessors and Allah for his judgement .... what happens if naked men get the 'hots' on seeing naked females standing besides them ?

2) Won't it take a very long time for Allah to judge everyone individually, because there'll be billions of people to account for ? Will these waiting men and women be allowed to sleep together in the meantime ?

3) Non-muslims and others will burn forever in hell and the Quran says Allah will give them new skins before their own gets completely burnt off, so that the torment/torture continues ! Will these people roast like a doner kebab gets done ?

I am waiting to hear from you, bilal !!!
written by vbv , January 07, 2012
Your contention that earliest cultures were 'monotheistic' is not at all true. The earliest cultures and civilisations only recognised nature and worshipped it. They used various 'gods' for the elements of Nature. There was no monotheistic monster issuing diktats "thou shalt not this and that". They used mythologies showing various interplays between these elements of Nature. They were not murderously intolerant bigots that monotheists were. Monotheism came much later by certain tribes taking a particular tribal 'god' and making him the lord of everything. This was also a clever ploy to show supremacy over other tribes ,politically defeat them with the wrath of this monotheistic monster ( suitable ploy to justify genocides ,rapes and taking people slaves - all of which are the practices condoned and approved by Yahweh). The ploy is to put the 'fear of god' , in other words this megalomaniac spook of the monotheists, to weaken the will of the opposition and carry out vicious attacks to subjugate them to these montheistic maniacs. That has been the story of the early judaists, the christians till ealy 20th century and muslims till date.Monotheism calls for destruction of other cults/religions/politheists/atheists/agnostics,etc. Infact everything that is not subservient to this nasty,intolerant and murderous cult. The native americans were decimated or forcibly converted to christianity, the aborigines in Australia are third class citizens in their own homeland. History is replete with christian conquidastors/ crusaders/colonisers committing untold attrocities on others. This is all the result of monotheism. Only monotheistic cults have crusades/jihads and wars to enforce their religion and their barbaric diktats. History is plete with these incidents. Monotheists are arrogant, supremacists , intolerant, destructive of all other cultures. Take George Bush, the erstwhile president of USA, had the gumption to say that atheists are not citizens of his country. Such is the mindset of monotheism. Monotheism is a political ploy that came much later . Animalism,Polytheism, Agnosticism,Atheism predates this cruel ,barbaric and intolerant cult of monotheism by centuries. Infact before monotheism came on the svcene these various other belief system coexisted. Only monotheistic cults are rigid and call for 'conversion' of 'nonbelievers' /'heretics' upon pain of torture,death and imprisonment. This concept was unheard of in other ancient cultures and civilisations. Infact all ancient civilisations were never monotheistic.
2 Bilal
written by Machmoed , January 08, 2012
surah 2
1. Alif. Lam. Mim.
2. This is the Scripture whereof there is no doubt, a guidance unto those who ward off (evil).

You wrote it without knowing what you wrote Bilal. Look at the arabic writings and tell me if that's what's saying. NO!
The right translation would be: that is a book whereof there is no doubt.....

Wich book qur'an is talking about? Why did he say Thalika (that) alkitabu? why not hatha (this) alkitabu?
Mubeen isn't it?

Now we are in doubt, we must ask the people of the book, the jews and the christians, right? Oh i forgot, their books are corrupted.

By insulting your intelligence, you're insulting your creator, whoever it might be.
written by bilal , January 08, 2012
SURAH 2 Bilal
written by Machmoed, January 08, 2012
surah 2
1. Alif. Lam. Mim.
2. This is the Scripture whereof there is no doubt, a guidance unto those who ward off (evil).
this quran translate by pickhtall

written by bilal , January 08, 2012
have you quran digital translate pickhtall, or you download and learn it
@ vbv
written by Cerebrum123 , January 08, 2012
I am not saying that Christianity ,Judaism ,or Islam were the very first religions(this is what Islam claims ,but I do not). If you look at the earliest forms of religion of ancient civilizations ,then you begin to see that it all started out as monotheistic ,but later devolved into different forms of polytheism ,animism etc. Sumerian ,Egyptian ,Indian , Chinese etc. all show a monotheistic beginning that eventually changed over time into what we see in the later periods. Also going by your evolutionary worldview ,and your claim that monotheism came last ,you are saying that monotheism is more evolved ,and since it is has the largest following is also the fittest of the worldviews. I suggest looking at some research from Stephen Langdon ,and Henry Frankfort.

Also ancient civilizations were famous for conquering others ,and forcing them to convert to their own religion ,or absorbing the conquered religion into their own. Alexander the Great even set himself up as a god ,and made everyone worship him. King Nebuchadnezzar made a large statue ,and forced everyone to bow down to it. Ancient civilizations were often killing each other so polytheism isn't exempt from a bloody history. They don't even live in this utopian harmony in this day and age. This is a dishonest tactic to claim polytheism is the innocent bystander when their own history is replete with violence. The (I believe it's the Assyrians correct me if I'm wrong) Assyrians would conquer people put hooks in their mouths ,and drag them home as captives. Every culture (and worldview) has a bloody history. The Atheists are perhaps the most ruthless of all. Hitler ,Stalin ,Mao ,Lenin etc. killed over a hundred million people in just a few decades. What makes this worse is that they were being consistent in following the teachings of evolution ,and atheism. When a Christian does this kind of thing it is CONTRARY to the teachings of Christianity.

Also God does NOT condone genocide ,rape ,or the taking of slaves (the OT slavery was actually a concept more like indentured servants). Show some real evidence before making an accusation. As far as slavery, Christianity led to it's abolition in both Europe ,and in the US.

Evolution teaches that rape ,genocide ,and the taking of slaves ,is an evolutionary advantage. So why do you say that it is wrong? How can you claim anything is wrong when anything a person does is simply a result of the random chemical reactions in their brain that has been forced upon them by the random chance process of evolution? This kind of teaching makes both Hitler and Ghandi equally good and equally bad. Do you really believe that those two are equally good and equally bad?
written by lw1 , January 08, 2012
You did not answer my questions:
1 So Iraq,Syria, Somalia etc are not Muslim countries?
2 Your 'Prophet' Mohammad ordered killing of about 900 Jews who had surrendered. Why do you not deny him?
2 Bilal
written by Machmoed , January 09, 2012
Bilal, it shows your ignorance of arabic. Pickhtall is no authoroty. Arabic language is very clear in this case. The qur'an sais: Thalika alkitabu wich means that book. In this case i'm right and pickhtall is wrong. Ask anyone who knows arabic.
To Cerebrum 123, vbv
written by Archpagan , January 09, 2012
Monotheism of semitic variety originated from Pharao Amen Hotep-II of Egypt who introduced worship of monogod Eton in place of numerous Gods. His purpose was to contain recalcitrant priestly class who fought among themselves in the name of their respective Gods weilding huge political poweres. So, Amenhotep rightly deserves the respect reserved for Abraham. Hindus all along worshiped many Gods who were personification of the forces of na over our Gods. ture. But Hindu Philosophy was all along monotheistic. For us Hindus Polytheism and Monotheism need not be mutually exclusive. Difference between Hindu polytheism and Abrahamic Monotheism is the same as between dictatorship (or absolute monarchy) and democracy. Our Gods are complementary to each other not rivals. We do not fight over our Gods. Abrahamic monotheism is irrelevant to Hindus.

@ vbv
written by Cerebrum123 , January 09, 2012
You are resorting to the "pagan copycat thesis". This has been refuted to death from every angle. I would suggest a place called Tektonics Ministries. They have a much more thorough refutation than I can give here.
Is Hindu philosophy the truth though? You obviously don't believe so since you accept evolution ,which is even against Hindu teaching. The Bible IS TRUTH. This has been shown throughout the ages ,and the Bible is also constantly being verified. History ,science ,archaeology ,and prophecy all show the Bible to be true ( I am not stating that the Bible is a science ,history ,or archaeological text book ,but when it touches on any of the above subjects ,when properly understood, is entirely true). There is a great deal of prophecy in the Bible ,one of the most recent of these prophecies to be fulfilled is the reinstatement of Israel as a nation. When you look at the Bible as a whole ,and in it's proper context it points to the truth of God. It shows that He loved us so much that He came down as a human to pay a penalty for a crime WE COMMITTED. Not just any crime either. We sinned against God. This is an eternal crime ,perpetrated against an eternal God ,and deserving an eternal punishment. We DESERVE to pay this penalty ourselves ,but Jesus stepped in and paid or it Himself ,and is willing to impute His righteousness to us if only we will repent ,and accept Him for who He is ,and that is God Himself.
You said that the Hindu gods are complimentary ,so I ask you this (from what I understand anyway) they fight with each other so how can they be complimentary? Wouldn't gods of opposite properties be fighting all of the time? I see several of these Hindu gods and goddesses being called the "highest of all the gods". How can this be possible for all of them to be the greatest of gods? The devas and asuras are all technically gods with equal power ,but some are good and some are evil ,how can this be complimentary?
written by vbv , January 11, 2012
I do not hold any brief for hinduism , which despite all its faults is the most tolerant religion in the world. It coexisted with Budhism, Jainism, Athiesm(Chravakas) etc for centuries. It is not a proselytising cult like christianity or islam which does not tolerate any other belief-systems, and forces their idealogy under duress. There is no concept of 'conversion' in hinduism. Hinduism is not against 'evolution' unlike islam,judaism and christianity which are rabidly against evolution. The universe is self-evolved with no beginning and no end ,as per hindu scriptures ( Rig Veda Book 10 Hymn 129 ,for instance or Hymn no.121 which talks of creation as a process of amalgamation of energy and infinity ). This is supposed to be a never-ending cycle that obviates the necassity of a creator "god". For ,if there was a creator "god" ,then the question arises who created this "god" and who was the creator of this "god" who created the "god" who created the "god" who created this Universe.....ad infinitum. Hence , it is stupid to presume that there is some spook who is behind all this and this spook is sitting in cloud9 watching the drama like a spilt brat fiercely demanding adulation. fear and abject submission to his diktats: which is the essence of all monotheistic cults, especially those that originated in west Asia. Hitler, Stalin or Mao were not atheists but were following the tenets of monotheism by making themselves the "god" of their irrational dogmas.And it is a political dogma of absolute power and control , not freethinking atheism. Atheism does not carry the baggage of dogmas like religion or political idealogies. You have to look at great scientists and thinkers and philosophers like Socrates, Einstien, Bertrand Russel, Richard Dawkins,Steven Wienberger, Richard Feynman,Bernard Shaw, or the late Christopher Hitchens. These people were rational people, intellectuals, not the stupid fearmongering popes,mullahs,clerics, or gurus who make a good fat living peddling religion and superstition.
written by bilal , January 12, 2012
written by bilal , January 12, 2012
how about this web and this qaree abdul base tranlate by pikhtall

Bilal - Why do you deny your brothers and sisters?
written by lw1 , January 12, 2012
You did not answer my questions:
1. So Iraq, Somalia etc. are not Muslim countries? Why are you denying your brothers and sisters in these countries?
2. Your 'Prophet' Mohammad ordered killing of about 900 Jews who had surrendered. Why do you not deny him?
For those thinking of leaving Islam.
written by lw1 , January 12, 2012
written by Machmoed , January 12, 2012
Bilal, it's not about translation. It's about arabic and qur'an is arabic. Thalika means "that" in those times and nowadays. Pickhtall translated it that way because he knew "that" doesn't make much sence. There are much more grammatical errors in qur'an.
@ vbv
written by Cerebrum123 , January 12, 2012
You show that you know very little about what you speak. For one this universe can't be eternal as the Vedas describe. We have the second law of thermodynamics. If an eternity had already past we would be in heat death. This essentially means no energy available for use in any way. Also you seem to be terribly misinformed about Christianity ,and God. In Christianity there are no forced conversions (we do try to show people the truth ,and then let them decide) ,there is not supposed to be any intolerance (there are undoubtedly people who claim to be Christian who are intolerant ,but they are being inconsistent with what Christianity teaches) ,and certainly no hate. I suggest you take a real look at what the Bible actually teaches. Your question about God is a common one ,but it is flawed. Indeed everything that has a beginning must have a sufficient cause ,but God is eternal and has no beginning. This is like asking to whom is the bachelor married. There is no infinite regress of God's creating God's. Now Hitler was a true atheist ,and an extreme fan of Darwin. In fact he did everything he could to make his policies match Darwin's theory. Now Stalin and Mao didn't have the same kind of zeal for Darwin's theory as Hitler ,but they were certainly atheist. It's a common thing for someone who doesn't believe in God to try and make themselves God. This goes for nearly all atheists ,because their own beliefs raise man into the place of God. As for Bernard Shaw ,he was a lunatic. He was an advocate for eugenics ,and the gas chambers. Eugenics ,Nazism ,Communism, abortion ,and mass genocide are all fruits of Darwin's theory of evolution. Of course Darwin didn't even come up with it himself ,he plagiarized it. From his grandfather ,from ancient Greeks ,and from even some of his own contemporaries. This theory is also completely scientifically impossible. It's a myth. Technically you could call it Greek Mythology. There is no method in which new genetic information can be added to an organism through mutations and natural selection. In fact these processes go in the OPPOSITE direction. It is completely impossible for a monkey to become a man no matter how much time you give the monkeys. They will go extinct long before they would ever even change in a direction required by evolution. Even if you could insure that they would never go extinct ,they would still never get the kind of change needed. They would always remain monkeys. (I know that it's supposed to be some kind of "ape like ancestor" that we share ,but would it really look anything like anything else other than an ape?) Christians are supposed to fight for the truth ,and that is why it is so important to fight against the lie of evolution. (I am not saying that adaptation and variation doesn't happen ,but whatever animal it is ALWAYS stays the same kind of animal)
@ vbv
written by Cerebrum123 , January 12, 2012
Comment being reviewed. I hope it shows up.
written by bilal , January 13, 2012
learn and look islam not only middle east.another country like indonesia,malaysia,brunaidarussalam.coz many western back to islam there.
written by lw1 , January 13, 2012
If you want me look at only certain Muslim countries, you are denying your brothers and sisters in other Islamic countries.
Your 'Prophet' Mohammad ordered the killing of about 900 Jews who had surrendered. Why do you not deny him?
To Cerebrum 123
written by Archpagan , January 14, 2012
Dear Cerebrum, I had very limited access to internet in the last two weeks; so I could not respond to you properly. Gods of the Pagans were tolerant of each other and kind to all human beings, believers non-believers alike. Roman general Anthony invaded Egypt, defeated the Egyptians in the battle and carried booties to Rome. The most important booty he collected was an image of Goddess Isis which he installed in Rome with full honour and dignity. So, I consider ancestors of present day Romans and Egyptians to be more civilized than their descendants. You must have heard the beneficent Roman water-God Mercury who rewarded a poor wood-cutter with two axes made of Gold and silver for his honesty and truthfulness. He did not ask for life-long allegiance or faith in preference to other Gods. Why should Jesus Christ be the sole ‘Clearing Agent’ to reach God’s abode? In his lifetime, Jesus Christ could convince only a handful of his disciples. From circumstantial evidence it can be said that Jesus Christ wanted to establish a rival Church within Judaism and lost his life in that process.
@ Archpagan part 1
written by Cerebrum123 , January 14, 2012
The gods of the pagans were not always so nice and respectful. Zeus castrated his own father ,and his father did the same to his own father. The Norse pantheon were mostly war gods ,and warring with each other constantly. Egyptian mythology is similar with Osiris being killed ,and cut into pieces by another god(I believe is was Set who did this). There may have been a few pagan rulers who were respectful of other gods ,but the gods themselves were often more immoral than the people who worshiped them. In Egypt Pharaoh was seen as a living incarnation of Ra ,and was worshiped. Disobeying him was equivalent to disobeying Ra himself. Also Egyptian Pharaohs would even kill their own messengers if the news they brought back from war was bad. You have some sort of fantasy going that every polytheist was some sort of perfect humanitarian. This is a popular view ,but is fatally flawed. Just look at people like Nero who ran the coliseum. He fed Christians to the lions ,and had them heavily persecuted simply because they did not accept the Roman pantheon. As for Mercury and the honest woodsman ,it appears to have been borrowed ( I suppose it is possible that Aesop came up with this on his own ,but Elisha lived earlier and there is definitely similarity) from the Bible. Elisha was with some of his followers who were cutting down trees ,and while one of them was cutting down a tree the ax head flew into a stream. The man asked Elisha for help since the ax was borrowed. Elisha. He was shown where the ax head fell into the stream ,he then cut off a piece of wood and threw it into the stream ,and made the ax head float. So if there is any borrowing going on I mostly see pagans borrowing from the Bible.

@ Archpagan
written by Cerebrum123 , January 14, 2012
You say we have circumstantial evidence that Jesus wanted to make His own rival Church. This is a very common claim ,but is not taking into account all of the evidence. We have better than circumstantial evidence that He was indeed who He claimed to be (God) ,and that He came to die for our sins in the first place. We have EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS of what happened ,and we have historical verification of these accounts. The death of Jesus was the primary intention all along. If you read the Gospels ,and some OT prophecy you will see that the Messiah was to come ,and be a "suffering servant" ,and that He was to die for the sins of many. Jesus predicted His own death many times before it happened ,and when Peter (one of His most faithful disciples) said that it can't happen (because they didn't want to lose Him ,and they didn't know the whole reason behind it) Jesus rebuked him ,and told him that it must happen. After His crucifixion ,He rose from the dead on the third day just as He predicted. This was the proof of His divinity. There are over 500 eyewitnesses to the resurrection ,and ascension. He also performed miracles which no other great prophet in the past had done. Other than raising Himself from the dead the primary miracle that no one else had done was to return sight to a man who was born blind. Jesus is the sole mediator ,because He is God. He is the only person to live a perfect life ,He is the only one who fulfilled the OT prophecies of the promised Messiah ,and He is the only person ever who raised Himself to life again. His mission was to live a perfect life ,to teach people about the Kingdom of God ,and to give up His own life so that others might live. Jesus was truly God in human form ,and we have verifiable eyewitness testimony to this fact. This is something completely different from ALL worldviews. Has there been any other person in mythological or historical who specifically did these things ,and taught the things Jesus taught? You are wrong about Jesus only convincing a few of His disciples during His lifetime ,because Jesus is alive now. His resurrection was the real key to everything. Without His resurrection we wouldn't be having this conversation. The resurrection is what motivated His disciples to go as far as they did when it comes to preaching the Gospel. Also even before His crucifixion He had many followers ,but they just didn't fully understand who He was until the resurrection.
To Cerebrum 123
written by Archpagan , January 15, 2012
This is what Thomas Paine( 1737-1809) wrote about prophecy in the Bible:

"Everything in the Old Testament is perverted and distorted into meanings never intended by the writers. The practice which the writers of the books employ is not more false than it is absurd. They state some trifling case of the person they call Jesus Christ, and then cut out a sentence from some passage of the OT and call it a prophecy of that case. But when the words thus cut out are restored to the places they are taken from, and read with the words before and after them, they give the lie to the New Testament."

Holger Kersten of Germany made extensive research on crucifixion and inferred that Jesus Christ did not die on the cross. Rather he was saved by Joseph and Nicodemus and thereafter fled to the East.

Muhammad stole from other scriptures and claimed the respected characters as Muslims. Similarly, Christianity was formed by implanting Roman Paganism onto Judaism. The story of Elisha you narrated above must have been stolen from existing Roman theology. There was no 'Saint' Valentine; Valentine, if any, was not a Christian. Similarly, 'Saint' Brigid of England was actually Goddess Brigid of the Anglo Saxons.

Jesus Christ could not convince his own people viz. the Jews of his prophet hood. So, you really have an uphill task. Since you have physical infirmity I advise you not to take that much trouble.
@ Archpagan
written by Cerebrum123 , January 15, 2012
Thomas Paine is referring to the Gospel usage of typological exegesis. This is common for the period. It is not a "lie" it's a method of interpreting the earlier scriptures. They are not to be taken in their original context ,but is more like how the early scriptural example is similar in manner to an event that happened later. There is a verse in Hosea that refers to Israel as God's son coming out of Egypt ,Matthew applies it to Jesus since Jesus lived in Egypt ,and was God's Son. Thomas Paine wasn't fully informed on the historical usage of this way of interpreting scriptures. This was widely used at the time of the NT writers ,and is a perfectly valid method of interpreting scripture.

I am not a Roman Catholic. I do not endorse their praying to saints. I also don't know how historical some of these saints are.

You have no evidence of this or any other thing you have mentioned previously being stolen. The story of Elisha is a historical event recorded hundreds of years BEFORE Aesop wrote his fable. So if any borrowing took place it took place in the opposite direction.

Most of the earliest Christians were originally Jews. That was the point of Jesus' early ministry ,first to the Jews then to the Gentiles. This point of yours fails. The strongest objections came from the Pharisees and Sadduccees.

First you said it was Buddhism implanted on to Judaism ,and now you say Roman paganism. Which is it? A simple look at Roman belief and Jewish belief at the time would show why this is practically impossible. I suggest you take a look at an article on Tektonics Ministries website called "The Impossible Faith". It will show why almost no Jew of the time would ever borrow from Roman paganism.

Holger Kersten's book is just a rehashing of several "Jesus went east" books. One of them being "The Life of Saint Issa". These books not only contradict each other ,but the Gospels too. They also contradict known history. The whole "Jesus went to India" theory is bunk. Jesus never went to India ,He never learned from the Vedas, He never became a Buddhist. He was the Son of God ,and was completely faithful to the laws of God. This includes staying away from false gods ,and false religions. This also makes ANY copycat theory bogus. When you look at the real records (the NT Gospels) it becomes crystal clear who Jesus was ,and what He really taught.

The idea that Jesus survived the crucifixion is ludicrous. Romans were experts in the art of killing ,from war to executions. They would surely know (especially after Jesus had a spear pierce His side ,and water and blood gushed out which suggest death by cardiac arrest) if Jesus was really dead or not. This Holger Kersten most likely did very little real research ,and is just writing what he wants to to achieve his agenda.
written by The Truth , January 15, 2012
Correction: Islam's root word does not mean submission. And even if it did why would it matter. If Christianity's root came from submission would it mean that it is still a bad thing? It would mean submitting to your Creator. The word Islam comes from Salaam. This means peace. If you want to look it up just go to google translator, and search the arabic transaltion for peace. Islam means to be peaceful, or to spread peace.
The truth
written by fineliving56 , January 15, 2012
You are speaking the un truth

I used to think like you that Islam means Peace …but it is dead wrong
you Go back and research…..it is very easy to mix the two words and the muslim liars took advange of that and changed the meaning especially after 9/11 …but most of them know batter.

Even if Islam means peace [ which it is not] …WHY IT DID NOT TRANSLATE TO PEACE IN THE ISLAMIC WORLD ??

Islam as Tasleem is a root word for ** Sall'im …with stress on the letter L …. means submission **Tasleem …is **to submit**

Silim is the root word for SALAM ……with an E sound under S …and E sound under L

the change of vowels sound is the different between the two
you go and look and see for your self before you say anything about that .
written by Machmoed , January 16, 2012
I think Truth is not an arabic speaking fellow. Many muslims on this site do not know arabic. If an arabic muslim doesn't know the difference between "hatha" and "thalika" and then resort to translations, then you know these people are amatures. Like now about al-islam wattasleem. Why would Allah offer me peace towards Him if it means peace? Is Allah warring with me without knowing what for?
A word that means peace in islam is when you finish the prayer and look to the right and left saying Assalamu aleykum warahmatullaah. Meaning peace to all of you....etc. This peace is restricted to muslims only. There are other prayers where muslims curse the unbelievers and asking Allah to annihilate them. Many muslims do not know what they are rambling about when they recite the qur'an. When they do, they are ashamed of it. The king of islamic shame is the hadith...it's about sex, lies and loot....sorry i got to puke....be back in a minute.....

It's amusing though.
To Cerebrum 123
written by Archpagan , January 16, 2012
I reproduce what you wrote-
'especially after Jesus had a spear pierce His side ,and water and blood gushed out which suggest death by cardiac arrest'.

Blood can not gush out of a dead body. You ask any student of Biology. If blood really gushed out of Jesus' body it meant he was not yet dead. He was taken to the tomb cavern where he was nursed by Joseph and Ncodemus to his feet. The day being the Sabbath, there was no guard at the tomb as requested by the Jews.
@ Archpagan
written by Cerebrum123 , January 18, 2012
You are not taking into account the fact that blood would have been released into the pericardium through the action of the spear. This would account for some blood to come out while still being able to differentiate it from the fluid accumulated in the pericardium. If you pierce a living man in the side with a spear you are going to get so much blood that you wouldn't be able to see the water(in fact there would be little to no water if He was alive since the pericardium wouldn't have filled to the point necessary for cardiac arrest). Have you ever watched a tv show called "Deadliest Warrior"? They have dead pigs often used to demonstrate how a specific weapon would affect someone. Often when they use this weapon on a dead pig blood does indeed gush out. Also take into account the position of Jesus' body on the cross. It would have been high above whoever speared Him ,and blood would have easily been able to come out not only from the force of the spear being removed ,but from gravity. Also consider the wounds Jesus received before ,and during the crucifixion. He had a crown of thorns ,He was flogged (a very nasty method of torture) , He was nailed in His hands and feet (although it would have actually been more in the wrist ,but the word translates as hand) ,His side was pierced with a spear. How are Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus supposed to give Jesus the necessary medical treatment? These are massive wounds that would have likely lead to death and infection soon unless you have extensive medical attention. Plus Roman guards were placed in front of the tomb ,and would have known if it was empty the whole time. So Jesus would have had to go for days without treatment ,and then still survive. This is highly absurd. Also why should I believe this Holger Kersten over the Gospel writers? They were there ,and he wasn't. They have a proven track record of reliability. This guy is obviously just another skeptic with an agenda. I implore you to read the Bible for yourself ,and not take into account what skeptics like Holger Kersten have to say about it. Knowing a little history about what was going on at the time especially about social circumstances will be helpful.
To Cerebrum 123
written by Archpagan , January 19, 2012
Thanks, I shall study the Bible to know correctness of the theories of Holger Kersten and Dan Brown. I have really nothing to say against your view on Krishna's stealing of cloth of naked women. We all keep knife in the household to cut vegetables. Some may use it to cut his/her own throat for committing suicide. That's an individual choice. But a word of caution, don't ever try to steal clothes of naked women, even if they are Krishna devotees.

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