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124,000 Prophets Lie of Islam

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Islam claims that Allah sent 124,000 prophets, while Allah claims in the Quran that He sent prophets to every people on earth. Yet, Allah mentions the names of only 25 prophets, some of them Jewish kings and warlords, and all of them sent to people only...


ALLAH KNOWS BEST

Born in a very religious family, when I was 7, I was forced by my father to pray. In that age, I didn’t felt a burden to do that. Yet, I loved it, because I was bribed by my father with a lot of chocolates. It is a pride to a father, who lives in the Muslim community, to show how devout and superior his family members are in religious activities. And to get more favors and rewards from my very religious father, I use to spend more and more time in the mosque, compared to my other brothers.

Spending time in the mosque gave me the opportunity to listen to more and more Islamic speeches and discussions. Sometimes, I heard things which were very hard to accept by an intelligent person like me. I never failed to ask questions where I had doubts to those clerics, who made such statements. Sometimes, I received the answer: “Allah knows best”; many times, I was silenced with scolding.

THE SHORTEST LIFE EVER AMONG THE PROPHETS

We are told that Allah created Muhammad’s “Noor” (Refulgence or Brightness) before creating Aadam (Adam) and kept with Him safely, until He sent all his 124,000 Prophets to this world. So, the readers can imagine the age of Allah’s most beloved Prophet Muhammad, who was created before Aadam and sent to this world as the last prophet, after sending all 124,000 Prophets. The clerics further said that Aadam, Nooh and few other Prophets lived hundreds of years in this world. According to Islamic belief, Jesus did not die and is still alive. So Jesus is living a very long life. Allah should have allowed His beloved Prophet Muhammad, the best one, to live in this world longer than all of His Prophets. Whereas, Allah “Loves” Muhammad so much that He couldn’t live alone without Muhammad and called him back to Himself within 63 years. The answer here was again “Allah knew best” the serious consequences, if He allowed Muhammad, the “passionate”, to live in this world for few more years.

ALLAH KNOWS ONLY THE NAMES OF 25 BIBLICAL PROPHETS

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Old Testament
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Quran: Allah copied from
Old Testament

Out of 124,000 Prophets claimed in Islam, Allah has mentioned the names of only 25 of them in His Qur’an. When I asked my Imaam about it, he replied that mentioning the names of 124,000 Prophets will be no use for the people, and it will make the Book, the Quran, heavier. So, Allah wants to make things easier for His slaves. As a small boy, I was very much satisfied by his answer. I didn’t then realize the stupidity of Allah’s sending 124,000 prophets to set His own creation on the path of righteous. I wasn’t mature enough to think that, instead of engaging in such foolish act, He could have achieved this simply by snapping His fingers had He been omnipotent. Allah says in his Quran,

“Some Nabees’ names not mentioned” (Al-Moomin 40:78)

It is not “Some”. Allah only mentioned the names of 0.02% of His Nabees and forgot to mention the names of 99.98% of them.

“Every people we have sent guidance.” (Al-Raadh 13:7)

If it is so, who are they? What are their scriptures? Where did they live?

ALLAH’S GEOGRAPHYCAL KNOWLEDGE IS VERY POOR

The answer is very simple, because it is not written in the Bible, which is the main source of Muhammad’s Qur’an. Though Muhammad copied different things from various religions, he particularly loved and copied vast portions, with slight changes, due to his ignorance, from the Old Testament. All 25 names of the Prophets mentioned in Muhammad’s Quran are the names of Jewish leaders and kings mentioned in the Old Testament, except the name of Muhammad. Allah loves Israel, Israelites and their Prophets, because of its neighborhood with Arabia. So, He sent all known Prophets to Israel, rather than to India or China. As one of the desert cameleer, Allah’s geographical knowledge was so poor that he could not remember the land area that he created other than the sand dunes of Saudi Arabia and its neighborhoods.

ALLAH LOVES TO PLAGIARIZE FROM THE JEWISH BIBLE

Allah says “Every people have been sent (Prophet) guidance”, but forgot to mention a single name of those Prophets and those peoples. Instead, He repeated the names of the Biblical Prophets, sent the one people, the Israelites only. He also repeated their stories several times, which would definitely make anyone, reading the Quran, bored. The followings are the names of some of the Biblical Prophets, whose names are repeated dozens of times in Muhammad’s Quran: Aadam (25 times), Nooh (43 times), Ibr’ahim (69 times), Loot (27 times), Yusuf (27 times), Haroon (20 times), Eisaa (25 times) and Moosa (136 times).

Shahaada of Islam never mentioned in Quran
Shahaada Not mentioned in Quran

A CHALLENGE TO MUSLIM APOLOGISTS

Muslim clerics usually deceive Muslims by saying that the Qur’an gives answer to our every single question. But the fact is: the Quran couldn’t able to solve its own problems; instead, it creates lot of doubts on its veracity. It is amazing to know that many very important practices of Islam are not mentioned in the Qur’an. It is a challenge to the Muslim apologists to show to their victimized, poor fellow Muslims, the following verses – word by word – in the Quran.

1. The very important testimony, the first pillar of Islam; the “Shahadaa” of Islam that any new convert from other religion to Islam must say is “Laa ilaahaa illallah; Muhammadur rasullallah”, which means “There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah”, is not mentioned anywhere in the Qur’an. The only thing mentioned several times is: “There is not God save Allah” (Quran 6:102, 6:106, 2:163), but Muhammad is never linked to this.

2. The second and very important pillar of Islam that Muslims are wasting their lifetime on “Head Banging”; the “five times” prayers a day, is not mentioned once in the Quran.

Islamic male-circumcision
Quran Never mentions Male Circumcision universally
practised in Islam

3. It is compulsory among all Muslims to circumcise their males. This unique practice is also never mentioned in the Quran, but plagiarized from the Old Testament.

WHO AUTHOURED THE QURAN? ALLAH? MUHAMMAD? OR THE LATER RULERS?

These are the very few absurdities out of hundreds in the Quran. If Allah authored the Quran, then how come He forgets to mention these very important duties in it, but repeats the unnecessary stories of Moosa 136 times?

If Muhammad have authored the Quran, then why he cared so much to repeat Ibr’ahim’s name 69 times and forgot to mention once the “Shahaadaa”?

When both the supposed authors Allah and Muhammad have ignored these most important issues, then who authored the Quran? Or who implemented the practices of Shahaada, 5 times prayers, circumcision etc. on Islam’s poor victims, the Muslims? Were they the “THE RIGHTLY GUIDED CALIPHS”?

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written by vbv , February 11, 2012
Allah was originally the pagan deity of the arabs. Allah was the deity of the tribe to which Muhamad belongs. So eradicated all other tribal deities of the arabs and established the supremacy of his tribal deity over the rest. To claim absolute supremacy ,he fashioned his deity after the Biblical Jehovah or Yahweh, replaced the biblical deity with his own. Yet he was running a poor show. So he claimed all the jewish patriarchs as "muslims" but bannished the jews because they called his bluff and scoffed at him which enraged him so much that he issued a 'fatwa' that all the jews should be eradicated(massacred). Such is the gratitude of muslims that had the jewish "prophets/patriarchs" bolster their shaky "religion. That is what you can expect from immoral brigands. He gathered simple-minded arabs, brainwashed them into believing that he was th 'prophety' sent by Allah to lord them. He furthered strengthened his position claiming that he was the final 'prophet' and the "seal of all prophets" ,making sure that another conman does not overrule and take a higher position in the heirarchy. What was the incentive for the spread of his socalled religion? It was plunder ,loot and the lure of getting womenslaves in their raids and maraudering misadventures. Thugs only require loots and molls to keep their engine running. An added incentive is to trade the captured and enslaved women. He made his immoral cult holy by taking into his scheme of things the biblical myths and their prophets ,sans ofcourse the people who authored the followed the Bible. Why? Because there was no redeeming feature in his cult , a big vacuum was there that only Biblical myths could fill and justify the claimof being a religion.

Infact the whole of this cult is a fraud based on lies, borrowings, robberies and chicanery. In short it is nothing but a big Bullshit that zombifies human beings into compliant monsters.
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written by vbv , February 11, 2012
Allah say that he has sent 124,000 'prophets' to all the lands , when this Allah ,who is the puppet of the false-prophet Muhamad had no knowledge of this planet Earth ,other than Arabia and its neighborhood. It is a fraud that has been devised to subsume the gods of other cults into islam for the purpose of propogating this hate-mongering cult, like Muhamad did to the jewishpatriarchs/prophets.

Prophet-hood is the biggest and worst kind of fraud which claims monopoly over some supreme monotheistic deity which is supposed to speak to the socalled chosen man to carry out the socalled supposed diktats of that socalled monotheistic monster of a deity that has all the evil traits like jealousy, selfishness, narcissism, superego, inciting to violence, intolerance ,etc. Infact , this deity has the attitude of a supreme goon or gangster. This does not auger well for someone who claims to be the "only God" and the creator of this world and also who is supposed to be 'all-merciful' while this spook keeps threatening all the while "if you don't submit to me ,it the fiery Inferno for you in eternity". Some mercy indeed this is. And this type of cult is dominating this globe playing/preying on the fears of billions of gullible humans with mullahs/padres as the conscience keepers who make sure to keep all the flock in line upon painful consequence in the socalled "hereaftewr" or if nedd be here itself. Some religion this monotheism is . Shit and absolute Bullshit and barbaric and cruel and inhuman.
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prophet in Holy Quran All say obey Allah.one God.
written by then lie , February 12, 2012
Surah 112. Al-Ikhlas
1. Say: He is Allah, the One!
2. Allah, the eternally Besought of all!
3. He begetteth not nor was begotten.
4. And there is none comparable unto Him.
Adam(the first Prophet),Idris,Nuh,Hud,Sholeh,Ibrahim, Lut, Ismail, Ishak, Yacub, Yusuf etc.they worship Allah.They are Muslim.open Quran.learn islam.Looks and go ti another islam Coutry likes, Brunaidarussalam, malaysia, Indonesia, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh.Islam The future relegion only have one god.whorship one god.islam is the straight path
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then lie
written by duh_swami , February 12, 2012
1. Say: He is Allah, the One!...................................................No he's not...
2. Allah, the eternally Besought of all!....................................Only fools besought him...
3. He begetteth not nor was begotten....................................That's right, he does not exist...
4. And there is none comparable unto Him.............................No one can stoop that low...

Adam(the first Prophet)...No Adam was an Episcopalian, not a Muslim...And all those men you mentioned, did not worship Allah, they worshipped the greatest god Episco Akbar, and his Messenger Palin, sometimes called Sarah...Episcopalienism is the worlds fastest growing religion with thousands of American kuffar converting...Just the other day Sarah said, 'today the US, tomorrow the Mid East'...Move over Allah, you have company...

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i wonder
written by tanstaafl jw , February 12, 2012
if we should be putting the faces of the missing prophets on milk cartons...........
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written by Reed Wison. , February 13, 2012
Mirza Ghalib. Intelligent article from you again. Such absurdities must come to fore. Thank you.

You write "We are told that Allah created Muhammad’s “Noor” (Refulgence or Brightness) before creating Aadam (Adam) and kept with Him safely, until He sent all his 124,000 Prophets to this world".

Who tells you that? Not in Quran. The figure 12400 figured in a hadis which was, alhamdolillah, contradicted by another saying that there were rather 224000 apostles. Since hadisophilles believe that both are correct, the position remains both are incorrect. The history of apostle-hood can be in thousands and not million years, figure 124000 or 224000 apostles is paradoxical unless they were commissioned for prehistoric animals.

I wish somebody like you may review Hadis books.
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@ REED WILSON
written by scrutator , February 13, 2012
Hi Reed !

Good to see you again, thanks for re-surfacing !

The problem with Islam is, there are so many divisions in it, some are ahl-e-Hadis, others go by the Quran alone (like yourself), and the majority believing in the three basic sets of books, the Quran, the Ahadith(sayings of Muhammad) and the Sira(life history of Muhammad).

Then there is the matter of interpretation, like the differences between the Sunni and Shia approaches. The Ahmadis have a slightly different interpretation.

Besides, Muhammad himself said there will be 72 (or 73 ?) sects in Islam, of which only one will be true, the rest destined for Hell. He did not specify which one will be the true one.

EVERY SECT DECLARES ITSELF TO BE THE TRUE ONE, the rest being in error !

So, statistically, chances are you'll end up in one of the 71 sects who will be hell-bound !

CAN YOU SEE THE CONFUSION WHICH A NON-MUSLIM FACES ?
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To REED : Why do muslims do these ?
written by scrutator , February 13, 2012
Reed,

You've often claimed you are a "Quran only" muslim, i.e. believe only in what is in the Quran AND NOTHING ELSE !

The article above states, the following are NOT in the Quran:

1) The kalma -- “Laa ilaahaa illallah; Muhammadur rasullallah”;

2) “five times” prayers a day, and

3) the muslim practice of "khatna", circumcising the males.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY ALL MUSLIMS WITHOUT EXCEPTION DO THE ABOVE, although these are not in the Quran ?

Many thanks.
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Reed Wilson???
written by duh_swami , February 13, 2012
I thought you were on a long visit with Allah...Did he get tired of your company? While you were off vacationing in Paradise, a number of confused Muslims showed up who could have used your help...You wouldn't believe how many of them have got it wrong...I tried to help them out, but they won't listen to me...I'm sure you can straighten them out when they return...
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@Reed
written by Mirza-Ghalib , February 13, 2012
Dear Reed,

I’m 52 and have heard at least “700”(MD’s favorite number “7”) lslamic lectures. The Imaams bluffs at least “7” such idiotic hadiths in their each lecture. In all of my life time, I never happened to see anyone to show the guts to ask the reference numbers to such nonsense hadiths to his Imaam.

It is easy to find reference of this hadith to a person like you, from the internet, with a click of a mouse. But I urge you to ask such doubts publically in the gatherings, inside your mosque, immediately when you hear such hadith from your Imaam , and see what they do to you.

Why don’t you kick out such a Imaam at least from the mosque in your neighborhood? If everybody starts kicking out their Imaams, then I’m sure no Imaam will remain in the mosque across this globe.

Please enjoy these videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHv0M7MkElQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...r_embedded
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written by Muslim & Proud , February 13, 2012
Mirza_Ghalib,

You are an ex-muslim, yet you continue to dedicate your life to Islam - very strange.

"1. The very important testimony, the first pillar of Islam; the “Shahadaa” of Islam that any new convert from other religion to Islam must say is “Laa ilaahaa illallah; Muhammadur rasullallah”, which means “There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah”, is not mentioned anywhere in the Qur’an. The only thing mentioned several times is: “There is not God save Allah” (Quran 6:102, 6:106, 2:163), but Muhammad is never linked to this."

The Holy Qur'an makes it clear to muslims that Muhammad (peace be upon him) is the Messenger of Allah (the exalted)

"2. The second and very important pillar of Islam that Muslims are wasting their lifetime on “Head Banging”; the “five times” prayers a day, is not mentioned once in the Quran."

The Holy Qur'an states: Obey Allah (the exalted) AND His Messenger (peace be upon him) - the Hadith provide muslims with details about the five prayers, hence

Quran Never mentions Male Circumcision universally
practised in Islam

"3. It is compulsory among all Muslims to circumcise their males. This unique practice is also never mentioned in the Quran, but plagiarized from the Old Testament."

Once again......Obey Allah (the exalted) AND his Messenger (peace be upon him)

Why do you seem to have a problem with what muslims believe?

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Welcome Reed!
written by Dwito , February 13, 2012
Where have you been? Your friends are longing for so long. Hope all will be encouraged now.
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Islam Watch - Truth Or Lies
written by Muslim & Proud , February 13, 2012
This website claims to tell the truth about Islam.

It's quite amazing that on the one hand, all ex-muslims consider Islam to consist of nothing but lies.

Yet on the other hand, they use evidence from what they consider to be lies,TO TELL THE TRUTH

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lol
lol

That is genius - priceless in fact.
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Muslim & Proudflunked out of taqiyya class...
written by duh_swami , February 13, 2012
You mean the Quran is a book of lies? Well I agree, it's about time you were right about something...
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Muslim and not too bright...
written by duh_swami , February 13, 2012
Why do you seem to have a problem with what muslims believe?

Because what you believe makes you evil and dangerous...and you like to share it with kuffar...
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DUH Swami
written by Muslim & Proud , February 13, 2012
"Because what you believe makes you evil and dangerous...and you like to share it with kuffar... "

Really?

Please refer to verse 2:192 re what I believe.
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written by Machmoed , February 13, 2012
You would talk a lot different if it were you and your family who were invaded by some barbarians claiming to fight in their Gods cause. What if those hadeeth are true and Muhammad did those evil acts. I know you would consider some acts evil when it was your daughter/wife/father/brother etc. Then you would understand that Allah/God never had anything to do with it. Try how it would feel if you were a slave those days. Is islam sent by Allah or created and evaluated (see hadeeth) by humans only. If you are a sane person, you would understand that it is much more likely that it was a human achievement. If you believe in fairytales...well i leave that to you!
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Muslim & not too bright,,,
written by duh_swami , February 13, 2012
You should stay in school rather than spending your time annoying adults...You are very evasive...Evasive people are dishonest...that's you bud...You have already exposed your ignorance, so you now have nothing to offer...If you are pious, you believe in the whole Quran, not just 2:192...But of course you do believe in the whole book, but you are incapable of explaining it...So why should I bother with a school boy, who is still wet behind the ears...
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Evil?
written by Muslim and proud , February 13, 2012
Machmoed,

" What if those hadeeth are true and Muhammad did those evil acts"

You have already confirmed that the hadiths cannot be trusted.

Unlucky sunshine.
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Muslin and dull...
written by duh_swami , February 13, 2012
Will you stand up in mosque and claim hadith are fake? Who cares what you believe...The majority of the worlds Muslims believe in hadith and copy some of those behaviors...The bad ones...You are fooling no one little boy...All anyone has to do is look at all the barbarity commuted by your brothers, who quote Quran and hadith as their reasons for terrorist acts, and your 'goody goody two shoes routine falls apart'...There have been 12,000 + deadly terrorist acts reported since 2001, many of those, Muslims killing Muslims...And those are just the ones known about...Explain that...Never mind, I know you can't or won't...
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written by Machmoed , February 13, 2012
You have already confirmed that the hadiths cannot be trusted.

It's not me who has confirmed it, but anyway, why do you believe such stories then?

Buchari himself discarded 90% of existing hadeeth at that moment as not trustworthy. Even sahih hadeeth of muslim and Buchari are nothing situational occurences in order to backup the incoherent rambling of the qur'an. Actually the authenticity of hadeeth has always been disputable. Why do you duck any question? It hurts doesn't it. Keep ducking the questions and play dumb. It's the only thing muslims have in common mostly of the time. They are always in DENIAL (de nijl) wich is a river in Egypt btw called by Dutch people. BTW, i do believe in Allah/God/source. I also believe that our creator is not what religions say He/It is, especially not as abrahamic religions shaped him.

Irrational pumpkin.
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Prophets: by whom is each one sent
written by Walter Sieruk , February 13, 2012
It might be that Muhammad was a prophet. The main this is that he was NOT a prophet of God but a deceptive prophet of the Devil. Jesus predicted and warned about the coming of such men as Muhammad.
For Jeses warned "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves." Matthew 7:15. Moreover, the Bible further warns "many false prophets are gone out into the world." First John 4:1. [KJV]
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reed is back! praise allah!
written by tanstaafl jw , February 13, 2012
We were all worried you had been kidnapped by jihadis and transported to Saudi Arabia to face trial as an apostate.

How do you like my idea of putting the pictures of the missing prophets on milk cartoons? I'll bet the Shia could use this method to locate the "missing" 12th Iman....................
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ridiculousness
written by fineliving56 , February 13, 2012
Muslim juveniles who invaded IW and who are running around here, making fools of them selves and falling all over them selves, making all kind of assumptions and bad mistakes, They think when ex and non Muslim, use proofs and references from the Islamic books to refute the outrageous claims that Islam is riddled with, IS the same thing, as giving a life dedication or paying a tribute to Islam by the ex and non -Muslims ….

If, that is NOT the most ridiculous thing I have heard, I do not know what is!

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too bad
written by bundypig , February 13, 2012
we don't have an ignore button, then they could rattle on to their hearts content and we would be oblivious ...just children playing at adult games
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written by vbv , February 14, 2012
Who is a prophet? The conman who profits from the gullibility of the masses is a 'prophet'. A 'prophet' must be able to give a correct 'prophecy' . But all the 'prophets' have miserably failed . They are less successful in their predictions than a common astroleger: while astrololgers predict the mundane things and of individuals about their future , the'prophets' talk bullshits about non-existing spooks ,heaven, hell and "doomsday" which are far removed from reality preying on the fears of the gullible masses . These 'prophets' are nothing but prophets of "Doom" ,they always look upto some "Hereafter" that does not exist. They create divisions and sectarian violence in a society which otherwise would be carrying on the economic and social transactions in reasonable harmony. Their survival depends on the turmoil so that they can enrich themselves over the blood of many gullible idiots who fall for their congames stupidly like tons of bricks. No prophet/ saint/ guru/ padre/evangelist /mullah/imam etc ca live without the most vital thing that is required to buy all the needs and luxuries , that is "MONEY". They play on the weakness of the gullible masses telling them stupid stories of miracles , the spook called God/Allah/Jehova/Bhagawan/Ishwar and whatnot watching from the sky waiting like vultures for corpses to punish those that do not submit to these 'godmen' and their stupid tales and reward those suckers who submit to these stupidities. In short prophethood is the worst scam ever and the prophets of monotheist cults are the worst of all.
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Machmoed - The Liar
written by Muslim & Proud , February 14, 2012
I said: "You have already confirmed that the hadiths cannot be trusted."

Machmoed said: "It's not me who has confirmed it, but anyway, why do you believe such stories then?"

Check this link Machmoed:

http://islam-watch.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=913

Where you said: "My friend, you have to be mistaken about the authenticity of hadith and the qur'an. Hadith dates 200 till 350 years after the mentioned events and not a single hadith can be trusted since isnad found to be fictive."

You are a liar.

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written by Machmoed , February 14, 2012
You mean you haven't a clue what i'm talking about. How old are you? 12 years old?

Do you know what islamology is? I guess not. I'm not a scholar, but the biggest scholars about islam and revision know what you don't know. As i'm concerned, you're an infant and that's how you going to be remembered by most of the posters..even muslims like Reed. Go pray for guidence cause you're a lost case.

I'm still waiting for your answers about hadith Qudsi and why hadith in general were written approximately 200 years after the supposed events and why hadith sahih reports that some parts of the qur'an are not in the uthmanic recension?

I guess you will come with lame excuses, lamy boy!
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Machmoed
written by Muslim and proud , February 14, 2012
I've proved your a liar.

" As i'm concerned, you're an infant and that's how you going to be remembered by most of the posters..even muslims like Reed"

An infant who proved that you are a liar.
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M&PP
written by duh_swami , February 14, 2012
An infant who proved that you are a liar.

You are a child, mentally, maybe physically, who has no respect, or sufficient body of knowledge to defend your pro-Islamic positions...Your immature responses prove it...Your knowledge level might fool an uneducated kuffar, but it fools no one here...Maybe Danios at loonwatch can give some real Islamic ammo, so far you are shooting blanks...
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Duh
written by Muslim & Proud , February 14, 2012
Duh,

"Your knowledge level might fool an uneducated kuffar, but it fools no one here...Maybe Danios at loonwatch can give some real Islamic ammo, so far you are shooting blanks... "

Do you mean like your obsession with 2:193, and you had ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA about 2:192...........

Ps. It's not nice to refer to non muslims as kuffar - i've told you that before. And here you are accusing me of not having any respect.....DUH
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M&PP obfuscates, says nothing
written by duh_swami , February 14, 2012
Do you mean like your obsession with 2:193, and you had ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA about 2:192...........

Does that mean that I have 2:191 and 2:193 correct? Explain my errors in detail...if you can...Just telling me I don't get it is an insufficient and not an explanation...Which is all you seem to have...
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Duh
written by Muslim & Proud , February 14, 2012
"Does that mean that I have 2:191 and 2:193 correct? Explain my errors in detail...if you can...Just telling me I don't get it is an insufficient and not an explanation...Which is all you seem to have..."

Let me remind me about your dellusion.

You are obsessed with 2:193.

I brought 2:192 to your attention which makes it clear that muslims CANNOT go to war unless they ARE ATTACKED FIRST.

Any muslim who takes it upon hi/her self to start killing people without obeying 2:192 is WRONG........PERIOD.

Do you have a problem understanding simple english or what?
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M&PP small boy
written by duh_swami , February 14, 2012
Ps. It's not nice to refer to non muslims as kuffar - i've told you that before. And here you are accusing me of not having any respect.

I only follow your traditions, not your orders, on the subject of kuffar...Kufr means 'disbelief' in Allah...A non Muslim is then a kuffar sometimes spelled Kafir...Those are Islams expression of disrespect, not mine, I consider myself a kuffar...and will continue to use the word no matter how much rage it causes in you...
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Duh
written by Muslim & Proud , February 14, 2012
"I only follow your traditions, not your orders, on the subject of kuffar...Kufr means 'disbelief' in Allah...A non Muslim is then a kuffar sometimes spelled Kafir...Those are Islams expression of disrespect, not mine, I consider myself a kuffar...and will continue to use the word no matter how much rage it causes in you..."

You consider your self 'a' kuffar?

Kuffar is plural you fool.
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M&PP obfuscates again...Is this iiki in disquise?
written by duh_swami , February 14, 2012
Kuffar is plural you fool.

There are more than one of us idiot..

2:193 cancels out 2:191 and 2 idiot because 3 says to continue fighting the 'oppressors'...It does not identify who the oppressors are, but they were not Muslims, if they were not Muslims, the oppressors were non believers or kufr/kuffar...

2:191...And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

2:192...And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

Those two verses can go together because it says only to fight them who expelled you and don't fight them at Kaaba unless they attack first...and if they give up, stop fighting them...That was a territorial dispute and had nothing to do with the oppressors mentioned in 2:193...

Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah . But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.

Well there are still oppressors who are kufr/kuffar, and if Allah's word in his book is for all time, then the order to fight the oppressing kufr/kuffar still stands, and a lot of your brothers are obeying it, and a lot of people are dying...Expalin that you brilliance...

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Duh - confused
written by Muslim and proud , February 14, 2012
Duh,

You are a lost case.


(2:191) Fight against them wherever they confront you in combat and drive them out from where they drove you out. Though killing is bad. persecution is worse than killing. Do not fight against them near the Masjid Haram unless they attack you there.

(2:192) And if they attack you first (even in that sacred area), strike them (without any hesitation); this is the due punishment for such disbelievers. If, however, they desist from fighting (you should also do likewise), and know that Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

(2:193) Go on fighting with them till there is no more a state of tribulation and Allah's way is established instead. Then if they desist from it, there should be no more hostility except against those who had been guilty of cruelty and brutality. *205

it's no good quoting just certain part of the verse you muppet.


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M&PP, you are liar and deeply misinformed...
written by duh_swami , February 14, 2012
it's no good quoting just certain part of the verse you muppet.

HUH?

02.192
YUSUFALI: But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
PICKTHAL: But if they desist, then lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
SHAKIR: But if they desist, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

002.193
YUSUFALI: And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.
PICKTHAL: And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers.
SHAKIR: And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.

Exactly what did those translators leave out? What translation are you using? The one produced by Bantam Books? You have not proved your case, you fell down on the job...
You still have not explained why jihadi's today are attacking without being attacked first...When do answer that?...
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Quran is confused
written by Confused , February 14, 2012
As per M & P translation


2:191 Fight against them wherever they confront you in combat and drive them out from where they drove you out. Though killing is bad. persecution is worse than killing. Do not fight against them near the Masjid Haram unless they attack you there.

(2:192) And if they attack you first (even in that sacred area), strike them (without any hesitation); this is the due punishment for such disbelievers. If, however, they desist from fighting (you should also do likewise), and know that Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

What is Quran or Allah trying to differentiate b/w fighting in Masjid Haram and Els where. If Allah wants muslims to fight kuffar Only if "kuffar attack first" then why to mention Masjid Haram or Sacred Place. It should have been a General Rule without mentioning Masjid Haram or Sacred Place.

I believe the "attack first rule" is only for the Masjid Haram.
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Duh - Dumb & Dumber
written by Muslim and proud , February 14, 2012
Duh

"Exactly what did those translators leave out? What translation are you using? The one produced by Bantam Books? You have not proved your case, you fell down on the job... "

Why is that then?

Because my translation does not promote unnecessary violence?

Sorry to disappoint you ad I realise how obsessed you are.

"You still have not explained why jihadi's today are attacking without being attacked first...When do answer that?... "

Here is your answer muppet. It's because they are a bunch of extremists - lookup the word extremist dumber - that's if you can actually read.

Goodness grief. Talk about dumb.
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To Reed Wilson
written by Archpagan , February 14, 2012
Hi Reed, it's nice to see you back. I hope you had been keeping well. We missed your nagging posts for long. Someone said you were on a sabbatical. Is it correct?
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Confused
written by Muslim and proud , February 14, 2012
"I believe the "attack first rule" is only for the Masjid Haram."

You 'believe'.......

Confused indeed.

Sacred place and sacred months have been mentioned in the Holy Qur'an.

The 'attack first rule' applies irrespective (for the majority of the Muslim world) - and not for the extremists.
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You are a sick muppet, muppet, but typically Muslim
written by duh_swami , February 14, 2012
Here is your answer muppet. It's because they are a bunch of extremists - lookup the word extremist dumber - that's if you can actually read.

How many extremists is a 'bunch' muppet? And how is it that they are causing extreme acts in Allah's name all over the world? A study of 3000 mosques in the US found that 80% of them were teaching violent Islamic extremism, and hatred of Jews, Christians and other kuffar...Are these high percentages of hate teachers only in the US? Or are they world wide? It is Islam that is extreme and all pious Muslims are extremists that 100% muppet...It is your duty, and 'obligation' according to your own literature to participate in jihad... You are simply a liar and you make stuff up...Blood is on your hands you evil little creep...Get from behind me Satan and take your little boy demon M&PP with you...You are disgusting...both of you...
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Not Satisfied
written by Confused , February 14, 2012
M & P

I am sure you coudnt get my question!!

Please explain in simple words why allah is mentioning "Masjid Haram" specifically and seperately here.

If it is a GENERAL RULE by allah to "not to attack kuffar unless they attack" than why to mention Masjid Haram for this reason.
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Confused
written by Muslim and proud , February 14, 2012
It's because Mecca was the centre of attention - I hope I don't have to explain.....
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Confused
written by Muslim and proud , February 14, 2012
Centre of attention at the time of revelation - hence
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Now U R Confused
written by Confused , February 14, 2012
M & P

My Dear "Mecca" is no where mentioned in these verses.

There are always more limitations or strickter rules inside or the vicinity of sacred places. I believe there was no need to mention "Masjid Haram" if allah wanted to apply "do not attack first" as a general rule.

I think you are trying to twist the translation like zakir Naik
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Confused
written by Muslim and proud , February 14, 2012
C,

Don't be too surprised to learn that the majority of the Muslim world believes that it is unnacceptable to attack unless attacked first or opression takes place.

You can make of it what you want - that's what extremist Muslims do.

Ps. I don't rate Zakir Naik AT ALL
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Clarification
written by Muslim & Proud , February 14, 2012
Confused,

I was kind of hoping you would figure out that Masjid Al-Haram is in Mecca. Apologies for making that assumption.
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Reality Ceck
written by Confused , February 14, 2012
M & P

I dont know whom you r fooling..muhammad could not convert a single person with his charisma or affection or love. He ran from mecca to madina in darkness when he couldnt succeed and he came back with an army of 10,000 to capture and subjugate meccans this is why it is called "Fatah e Mecca".

Do you believe KING OF PROPHETS needs an army of warriors to prove himself????
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Army
written by Muslim and proud , February 14, 2012
"I dont know whom you r fooling..muhammad could not convert a single person with his charisma or affection or love."

Ahem

The blessed mother of believers, Khadija (ra)?

"Do you believe KING OF PROPHETS needs an army of warriors to prove himself???"

Negative

Open minds - and there were plenty of them around at the time by the sounds of it.
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M&PP spawn of Lucifer
written by duh_swami , February 14, 2012
Do you believe KING OF PROPHETS needs an army of warriors to prove himself???"

Not anymore, he's dead, but while he was alive he needed an army...If that was not the case, why did he have one? That's providing he was ever alive to begin with...
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2 Muslim and shamefull
written by Machmoed , February 14, 2012
An infant who proved that you are a liar.

The same proof your lost prophet had right. Proof? like i said before, you do'n't know the difference between opinion and fact or proof. Please cut it out, we here in this room are laughing our hearts out. Did you only know it. proof....hahahaha
sure pumpkin!
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To P & M
written by Archpagan , February 14, 2012
Muhammad needed an army to propagate his so-called religion because it is actually a criminal ideology. Muslims are descendants of the victims of the crime committed by Muhammad and his henchmen. Future of Mohammad-ism is bleak.
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Duh - Dumb an Dumber
written by Muslim and proud , February 14, 2012
D & D,

You did it again.

"Not anymore, he's dead, but while he was alive he needed an army...If that was not the case, why did he have one?"

Dumber - the question was regarding 'proving oneself' - you are a real joke dumb

The army was needed.............to defend against other armies. It's not difficult to understand - but I am happy to make an exception for you dumber

"That's providing he was ever alive to begin with..."

So why are you wasting your time dumber

What a guy - he never fails to destroy his own foot.
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Machmoed - the liar
written by Muslim and proud , February 14, 2012
"Please cut it out, we here in this room are laughing our hearts out. Did you only know it. proof....hahahaha sure pumpkin!"

Liar liar your bums on fire

Haaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha

You damn right we is laughing.
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Archpagan
written by rzq , February 14, 2012
Dont make me laugh! The first Islamic state in medina needed an army. Which state in the history of mankind does not have an army to provide security to the citizens!
An army was needed to protect the community in medina!
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Army
written by Muslim and proud , February 14, 2012
Well said Rzq

I think these boys and gyals dint understand such basic things
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M&PP Lucifer is calling you to prayer...
written by duh_swami , February 14, 2012
It's you who are dumber Pazuzu, dead guys can't prove themselves...he needed army to 'prove himself' while he was alive, or few would have listened to him...he did not convince people in the beginning with any beautiful religion, he convinced them with loot and slave girls, and the sword...Once they were all drunk with power, money, and lots of slave girls, his companions realized what a good deal Islam was...it's been a good deal ever since for certain Muslims who positioned themselves for 'benefits'...You're not one of them, but you are one of their muppets...
No one attacked Mohammad first, he attacked caravans and villages for loot, later he needed a bigger army to protect himself from the responsibility of his evil deeds, that is, retaliation for unprovoked attacks and robbery...and of course to continue to rob, plunder and rape for Allah and the 'Prophet'...Twenty percent 20% of the loot went to Allah while the other four fifths were divided along with the slave girls...What Allah did with his 20% is unknown...
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A Prophet
written by Confused , February 14, 2012
I dont know how they believe muhammad a prophet who

1. Had no parents

2. Had no Brothers

3. Had no sister

4. Never raised a son

Allah didnt bless his beloved prophet with any of them. allah didnt give chance to islamize muhammad his parents his brothers his sisters and he was supposed to islamize all human kind.

I have parents i have brothers i have sister and i have son. i have more responsibilities towards my family than muhammad.

Still these muslims believe muhammad was a "Complete Man"

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Duh - dumb and dumber
written by Muslim and proud , February 14, 2012
"No one attacked Mohammad first, he attacked caravans and villages for loot, later he needed a bigger army to protect himself from the responsibility of his evil deeds, that is, retaliation for unprovoked attacks and robbery...and of course to continue to rob, plunder and rape for Allah and the 'Prophet'...Twenty percent 20% of the loot went to Allah while the other four fifths were divided along with the slave girls...What Allah did with his 20% is unknown..."

An they all lived happily ever after......

Dumber - is this what your dad daniel pipes told you?

It's time to put you on the spot dumb duck?

Please provide evidence of the story you have articulated?

Ps. Maybe your break is overdue
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.....
written by Machmoed , February 14, 2012
An they all lived happily ever after......

hahaha....what the hell..are you serious?

Muhammad died due poison after months some say and almost every single so called khaleef was murdered like a criminal...hahahah...they lived happily ever after....

Moron - is this what your dad Abdul Imam told you?

You're already on the spot moronic goathurder!

Please provide evidence that they all lived happily ever after.

Ps. Your engine run out!
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Reakity Check
written by Confused , February 14, 2012
M & P

My question was " why muhammad had to bring an army of 10000 warriors with him" from madina to conquer mecca that is why you call it "Fatah e Mecca"

Why muhammad could not conquer meccans with his charisma, prophet hood or miracles or love or affection???
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Fatah E Mecca
written by Muslim & Proud , February 14, 2012
C,

"Why muhammad could not conquer meccans with his charisma, prophet hood or miracles or love or affection???"

People who like to fight (Quraysh), were not interested in love and affection Mr Confused.

In the end, it was a victory which was achieved with ease and did not result in too much fighting.
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Machmoed - The Liar
written by Muslim & Proud , February 14, 2012
I said: "An they all lived happily ever after...... "

You said: "hahaha....what the hell..are you serious?"

I was finishing off dumb duck's fairytale.

Please look up sarcasm in the dictionary Mr Liar.

Whilst you are there, also lookup gullible.
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Khadija invented islam
written by Confused , February 14, 2012
M & P

Khadija and her brother invented islam and they use muhammad for their purpose. Khadija was far intelligent and dominant over muhammad.

muhammad could not marry a women in the name of islam in khadija life once she died muhammad never stopped marrying in the name of islam including nine year old ayesha and wife of his adapted son.

allah didnt give muhammad any responsibilty towards his parents his brothers his sisters his sons but allah blessed muhammad with 13 women to sleep with in the name of islam.
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Invention
written by Muslim & Proud , February 14, 2012
C,

Believe what you want.......
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Confused
written by duh_swami , February 14, 2012
Why muhammad could not conquer meccans with his charisma, prophet hood or miracles or love or affection???

It's because he was not very good at Prophet hood...If his audience had not consisted of ignorant and superstitious desert camel breeders, he would never have gotten away with it...In the end as Machmoed points out he died of poison...Some might call that karmic retribution...You notice according to hadith etc, neither Allah nor Gabriel showed up to say good-bye, no golden chariot and white winged horses to take him to Paradise, a fine friend Allah turned out to be...After several days of waiting for a miracle Mohammad started to stink, so they buried him under his bed...
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Duh - Dumb Duck
written by Muslim & Proud , February 14, 2012
Dumb duck,

Did you find the evidence to justify your fairytale?.......lol lol lol lol lol lol lol
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Fatah e Mecca
written by Confused , February 14, 2012
M & P

So you are accepting that muhammad was unable to convert meccans with affection and love and prophet hood and miracles.

Finally muhammad had to become a conventional warrior to impress meccans.

This proves muhammad was not a prophet!!!

I hope u got it now
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Machmoed - The Liar
written by Muslim and proud , February 14, 2012
"Muhammad died due poison after months some say and almost every single so called khaleef was murdered like a criminal...hahahah...they lived happily ever after...."

Now pay attention Mr Liar. According to you, not even a SINGLE Hadith can be trusted. So how can you say "Muhammad died due poison after months"

What a muppet
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Mr Confused
written by Muslim and proud , February 14, 2012
Here is what I said:


People who like to fight (Quraysh), were not interested in love and affection Mr Confused.

In the end, it was a victory which was achieved with ease and did not result in too much fighting.

The miracle was that Mecca was conquered so easily.

Hope you got it now.
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.....
written by Machmoed , February 14, 2012
Finally muhammad had to become a conventional warrior to impress meccans.

What else did the early muslims do. Warring with others in countries far away from mecca. And they tell me that it means religion of peace...hahaha tell that to those who died defending their homes and family. Being braindead is the only excuse to believe Allah was behind islam and it's expandation. The sword my friend, the sword is more powerfull than the word. They used both!
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M&PP, flunks the class...
written by duh_swami , February 14, 2012
Did you find the evidence to justify your fairytale?.

Tabari IX:204 "They buried him where he died. Aisha's bed was removed and a grave was dug beneath it."

Do you have any evidence that Allah, Gabriel and a chariot showed up?

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Duh - Dumber
written by Muslim & Proud , February 14, 2012
Dumber,

I referred to the whole story you put forward you dumb duck....

Have another try
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Duh - dumb duck
written by Muslim and proud , February 14, 2012
Here it is again duck - you like taking the bits out and cherry picking:

This is what you said dumb duck:

"No one attacked Mohammad first, he attacked caravans and villages for loot, later he needed a bigger army to protect himself from the responsibility of his evil deeds, that is, retaliation for unprovoked attacks and robbery...and of course to continue to rob, plunder and rape for Allah and the 'Prophet'...Twenty percent 20% of the loot went to Allah while the other four fifths were divided along with the slave girls...What Allah did with his 20% is unknown..."

So it's time to give your dad Danny pipes a call.

Good luck duckface.
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m&pp
written by duh_swami , February 14, 2012
Stick it in your ear demon...you're not worth any more effort...
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islam
written by dead or alive , February 14, 2012
Can indoctrinate the simple minded masses.
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Duh - Dumb Duck
written by Muslim & Proud , February 14, 2012
"Stick it in your ear demon...you're not worth any more effort..."

And here is the translation duck face:

I can't provide the evidence - I said those things because I am a bigot.

Nice one dumb duck.
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Dead
written by duh_swami , February 14, 2012
Islam Can indoctrinate the simple minded masses.

Individuals also, we have one of those simple minded right here as an example of how Islam indoctrinates...It take a fairy normal person and turns him into an idiot...
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I heard this saying
written by dead or alive , February 14, 2012
The brain is a machine a ghost can operate.Could be the ghost of a dead prophet.
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Duh - Dumb duck
written by Muslim and proud , February 14, 2012
"Individuals also, we have one of those simple minded right here as an example of how Islam indoctrinates...It take a fairy normal person and turns him into an idiot..."

You must not forget those who are obsessed with Islam and in particular with 2:193 - they waste their life away on such obsessions - this kind of obsession turns somebody who is a bit DUH into a comelette dumb duck.
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Muslim & proud
written by dead or alive , February 14, 2012
I see by your name that you are a muslim?
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Fatah e Mecca
written by Confused , February 14, 2012
M & P

You have still not answered and will never be able to answer. Victory so easy is not my point.

" why muhammad had to bring 10000 warriors to conquer mecca"?????

why muhammad could not conquer meccans with his love affection prophet hood

Victory was easy because of 10000 blood thirsty warriors and not because of muhammads prophet hood.

Please accept the fact.
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To Confused
written by Malem , February 14, 2012
Muhammed did have Brothers and Sisters, all Muslims are brothers and sisters. He had more responsibility than you because he was given the task by Allah to carry the beautiful word of the Koran and bring it to the people. Yes he had parents Aminah and Abdullah, but he was orphaned at a young age and his uncle Abu Talib watched over the young lad. You should try reading up a bit before trying to make statements that are completely false, unless you are being schooled by Duh.
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Confused
written by rzq , February 14, 2012
You really are confused!

10,000 followed because they wanted show the pagans of Mecca that their persecution has not worked!

Are you really that confused. He fled Mecca because of the attempts on his life!
He got ordered to move to medina and make Hijra!

shut up blood thirsty! As an act of mercy and compassion the prophet spared the meccans even though it would have been his right to take revenge!
No! He chose peace!

I like to think of them as the 10,000 saints that conquered Mecca according to the bible!!!!!

go text duh, the bell end! He is just as confused!

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More Lies
written by Confused , February 14, 2012
Malem

Muhammad didnt have a proper family no parents no brothers no sisters no sons. only one daughter taken care by 13 women?

there is no proof muhammad had contact with god nobody witness angels talking to him!!

muhammad had no responsibility towards his own parents . why allah orphaned him??

muhammad had 13 wives to take care of him and these also after death of khadijah???

if muhammad had parents he could never islamize them???

god would given him respect by starting with the family but he had no family!!!

muhammad could not islamize nobody thats why he ran to madina in darkness and came back with 10000 warriors to conquer

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More Lies
written by No More Confused , February 14, 2012
rzq Malem and M & P

I have made my point on muhammad family and responsibility and his conquest of mecca. i dont want argue anymore. slave mentality will never accept the facts.

About hijra to madina it was muhammads own decision. he went to Taif before going to medina. who ordered him to go to taif where he got pelts and stones thrown at him. show me a verse where allah ordered muhammad to go to taif???

there is no proof that muhammad had contact with a god there is no witness for angels talking to muhammad.



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Malman returns from the pit...
written by duh_swami , February 14, 2012
Malman?...Hey Muslim and Proud, your daddy just showed up....

I was hoping you were paying Allah a long visit...I suppose it was too hot down there so you didn't stay long...I'm only confused because you and your children are not smart enough to enlighten me...Maybe if you pretend to be Doctors that might help...Well no, I forgot, that one was tried before and failed...

'Muhammed did have Brothers and Sisters, all Muslims are brothers and sisters'.

Yeah but they were retarded, and didn't always have fathers...But they do have sibling rivalry...You should see the way those Sunni and Shia bothers and sisters go at each other...Ugly, real ugly...Just wait till those Boko Haram brothers of yours get 'the Bomb'...Ugly will get a lot uglier...Of course Allah wills ugly a lot, so he's probably ok with that...


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Malem - legend
written by Muslim and proud , February 14, 2012
Malems,

Salaam and well done for your beautiful post

Duh has been slapped around for the last few days and is still begging for more....
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Rzq
written by Muslim and proud , February 14, 2012
"go text duh, the bell end! He is just as confused!"

Outstanding......what more can one say
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Puke
written by duh_swami , February 14, 2012
what more can one say

Nothing, you have already lied enough...relax, Allah is proud of his lying faithful...
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The Muslim Three Stooges...how funny
written by duh_swami , February 14, 2012
This is precious, Larry, Curly and Mo Muslim, all here at the same time...All I want to know is, which of you guys is Larry? I already know who is Mo...
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Duh Swami
written by fineliving56 , February 14, 2012
''I already know who is Mo ''

Good one…. out of many ….haha

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fineliving56
written by duh_swami , February 14, 2012
My guess is that none of these guys knows who the Three Stooges were, which makes it even more funny...If one more Muslim would show up we could have the Marx/Muslim Brothers. Groucho Muslim - Harpo Muslim - Chico Muslim - Zeppo Muslim...Now THAT'S entertainment...
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Duh - Dumb Duck
written by Muslim & Proud , February 14, 2012
"Now THAT'S entertainment..."

So you turn towards Islam for entertainment

NOW THAT'S SAD

Duh - Dumb - Sad - Duck

ha ha ha
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Duh Swami
written by fineliving56 , February 14, 2012
Haha … you'r right … it would be entertaining, if one more Muslim brother [how appropriate ] decides to bestow on us with their wisdom the Islamic kind …
The problem with that is … non of them could agree on hundreds of things …they are all Muslim …but only in name …if they start to converse among each other they will find out of their vast differences.
There is the Muslims of Quran only …there is Muslim Quran and hadeeth …. there is Quran Sirrah …that is why an ex Muslim in born every day …these conflicts are too tiring ….

we just let the whole thing goooooo ….byby



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???
written by rzq , February 14, 2012
Is there anyone normal here amongst these islamophobic bigots????
You got duh here who is quite happy to see his daughter parade her nakedness with a string up her behind in the name of freedom.
Thank brother Farrakhan for that quote. He hates Islam do much he spends all his free time talking crap! Loser!
Then you have fineliving. She is from the Arab equivalent of the Adams family! Totally screwed up and dysfunctional!
Ps the 80s rang and want their put downs back!!
Loser!!!
Anyone else want some???
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Little demon boy
written by duh_swami , February 14, 2012
So you turn towards Islam for entertainment

NOW THAT'S SAD

No it's not sad demon boy son of Malman...The Quran is not the least bit funny but Muslims who believe in it are...You see demon boy, you are a barrel of laughs, and you don't even have to try...I think you may be Chico Muslim because he always wore a Muslim cap...He was one funny guy, but not as funny as Groucho, who was more like your daddy Malman...Groucho could cause a naked chicken to fall out of the sky with a fifty dollar bill in it's beak...Malman can do the same thing without the money...Now THAT'S entertainment...
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irz has sexual identity problems
written by duh_swami , February 14, 2012
You got duh here who is quite happy to see his daughter parade her nakedness with a string up her behind in the name of freedom.

Any MAN who is offended by the female body, is either a liar, there is something wrong with him, or he is gay...Which of those, or combination of those, fits you best irz...
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irz
written by duh_swami , February 14, 2012
You might make a good Harpo Muslim...Do you play the harp?
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Duh
written by Muslim and proud , February 15, 2012
Duck face

You haven't even got a daughter. You're still a virgin

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Fineliving

You left Islam - Islam will NEVER leave you. You are sad and pathetic.
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Demon puke M&PP
written by duh_swami , February 15, 2012
Mr Khan should ban you for being a parasitic troll with nothing to offer but petrified bovine fecal matter...I believe in free speech, but your posts are not speech, they are drool sessions...Did Allah teach you to drool like that? Do you wear a baby bib? Do you like girls? Why do you hate your mother? Go away little demon...
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Duck Face Duh
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
"I believe in free speech, but your posts are not speech"

I'm not paying anything for my speech dumb duck.........

Haaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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2 Moron
written by machmoed , February 15, 2012
Now pay attention Mr Liar. According to you, not even a SINGLE Hadith can be trusted. So how can you say "Muhammad died due poison after months"

It's not what i believe Mr. Moron, it's what's written by muslims themself and classified as sahih. If i would believe hadith and qur'an were based on truth and reality, i would have been a muslim. The point is you trust hadith and believe in them wich makes it even more sad. I'm not on trial here, islam is and this is what this site is about. You are a hypocrite and a coward and you know what allah thinks of hypocrites and cowards, don't you.
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M&PP grunts
written by duh_swami , February 15, 2012
I'm not paying anything for my speech

That's true enough...you are stealing it like you steal everything else...Others have to pay for reading your childish bile...That's if they actually read your garbage...But since your posts are short and stupid, some might read them for entertainment value, or they may just marvel at what a good and pious Muslim you are, and what a swell job you are doing representing Allah...
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Duh Dumb Duck
written by Muslim and proud , February 15, 2012
"they may just marvel at what a good and pious Muslim you are"

Indeed
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Duh
written by rzq , February 15, 2012
Boo hoo boo hoo!
"Mr Khan should ban you" hahaha
That's right duh go call your uncle mr khan!
Oh wait what about your fweedom of speach?? Ha ha
Why don't you call your mama fineliving, maybe she can help your lonely arse out?
We know your daughter ran away with some dude after she was parading herself in the name of freedom. Clearly she prefers meat and hates veggies!!!haha
Sad lonely pathetic loooooser!!!!!!
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Machmoed
written by fineliving56 , February 15, 2012
It looks like we are wasting our time with the new Muslim invaders of IW … logic goes right over their heads.

Islam is on trial and the evidence are so clear and we can find them all displayed in books of hadeeth,Sirah and Quran .
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Haha
written by rzq , February 15, 2012
@fineliving!
not going to regale us with tales "I once heard, or rumour has it, or someone once told me........blah blah decrepit story"
Or my personal fave
"Islam is like so and so because my family members are crazy....."
You wouldn't know logic if you landed on it!
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rzq, spawn of punk
written by duh_swami , February 15, 2012
You or your fellow stooges for Allah, come to my house and talk your sht, I will throw you out in the street...This is Mr Khans house and he can do what he want's, but if it was my house bull shtters would be removed in a hurry, especially evil little POS, that represent an evil religion, an evil god, and an evil and fake 'Prophet'...You are also a demon encrusted juvenile that should be bounced, because you are an sht talking azz hole...Is that the best Islam produces? I bet Allah likes you a lot, he's perverted that way...
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Fineliving does it again
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
"Islam is on trial and the evidence are so clear and we can find them all displayed in books of hadeeth,Sirah and Quran."

How pathetic.

you are the type of person fineliving who would do something like this:

1 - Accuse your neighbour of scratching your car
2 - Ring the police
3 - When the Police turn up and ask you for evidence, you would say that you read in the Hadith that it was your neighbour who sratced your car and you would also say - I DON't BELIEVE THE HADITH TO BE FACTUAL

Comedians
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Duh - Duck Face
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
"come to my house and talk your sht, I will throw you out in the street..."

You are hard duck face.........E E EDL
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Duh has lost it!! Hehe
written by rzq , February 15, 2012
Why would I want to go to your shit house? Ooh you would throw me out? You and who's army? Veggie boy you are 105lbs in your wet suit! Don't make me laugh! Sure it's khans site and he is admin. He doesn't need a sneaky veggie boy to tell him what to do! Is this the best a sneaky swami produces?
I'm sure your man made idols are proud!
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M&PP all plugged up...
written by duh_swami , February 15, 2012
You are drunk on Allah, you are having too many Allahgasms, it has led you to Allahphrenia...A serious condition that erases all moral fiber, all common sense, and replaces it with leaky plumbing, with no ability to flush... your mental toilet is overflowing...it's very obvious that you are leaking...You need to run to the Doctor quickly to see what is wrong with you...Or you could call a plumber...A good plumber cannot cure your Allahphrenia, but they are good at plunging and plugging leaks...
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M&PP, is all leaky
written by duh_swami , February 15, 2012
Yep I am hard, but my plumbing doesn't leak how's yours?
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Dear rzq
written by fineliving56 , February 15, 2012
Please refer to my post to I wrote for MuslimAndProud. I think it explains your situation too.

Your main problem is based in rationalizations. When you are presented with new ideas that contradict your beliefs, you create rationalizations that help you to feel good about yourself. This is very naive and very irrational thinking.

This phenomena is explained by Cognitive Dissonance theory. When a person is presented with ideas that contradict their current beliefs, the unconscious part of their mind experiences this feeling of dissonance. When this occurs, the unconscious attempts to relieve the dissonance by all sorts of irrational tactic like denial and rationalization.

The only way to prevent your unconscious from causing you to think irrationally is to be aware of your thinking, i.e. introspection. So, do you introspect? Do you reflect on your own thinking? Do you reflect on your emotions? Do you reflect on your actions? I bet you don't. And this is what causes you to continue thinking irrationally and naively about everything in your life.

So why don't you change? Why don't you take responsibility for your thoughts, emotions, and actions?

I noted that you said that I insulted Mohamed. To insult means to speak disrespectfully to someone. But Mohamed is dead; I am not speaking to him. So obviously I can not insult a dead person, since he is dirt right now. What I think you mean is that I insulted *you*. But this is irrational too. I said nothing disrespectfully to you. I am only explaining the truth. This is what rational people do.

You on the other hand are not thinking rationally. When you said *insulted*, what you really mean is that you felt a negative emotion and you are claiming that I am responsible for your negative emotion. You are shifting responsibility [of your feelings] to me. But I refuse to accept responsibility for your feelings. Only you are responsible for your feelings. Responsibility denial is irrational and naive.
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rzq displays the flag of Islam...
written by duh_swami , February 15, 2012
Thanks for proving me right that you are a sht talking azz hole...You better believe I would throw you out punk...Your too much of a mouthy coward to risk your safety like that anyway...As it is, you seem to have a difficult time getting out of your mothers basement, so the chances are slim to none that you will ever appear here... so you can safely run your mouth off, like millions of other internet tough guys...Do you leave the house for mosque and prayers or are you still hiding behind your mothers burka??
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Fineliving
written by Muslim and proud , February 15, 2012
"So obviously I can not insult a dead person"

So if you went to the Queen of England and verbally abused her mother, you would be congratulated would you?

Somehow I don't think so.

Your logic is pathetic
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To rzq, p & m
written by Archpagan , February 15, 2012
You people dwell on the idea an afterlife enjoying sex with 72 houries and having orgasm for 24 hours. Your ideal household comprises one man with four wives. You may be a product of such a brothel where you have seen your papa bolting doors in front of eyes with a step-mother of your age. You want to teach decency and morality to us?

btw, I am 54 year old and after watching you adore a pervert like Mo, I got an itch for having sex with a 9-year old girl. Would anyone of you volunteer to provide one ? Of course I will 'revert' to your f****ing cult.
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Archpagan
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
"btw, I am 54 year old and after watching you adore a pervert like Mo, I got an itch for having sex with a 9-year old girl. Would anyone of you volunteer to provide one ?"

There's plenty on the streets of England pops - you should not have any problems ;-)

"Of course I will 'revert' to your f****ing cult."

You are more than welcome - anytime - the doors are always open - especially for bigots who need to learn what it means to be civilised.

Oh - and it's M&P btw and not P&M.........you might need to get your glasses changed.
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Let me remind… Muslim and rzq
written by fineliving56 , February 15, 2012
Of Mohammad fine Qualities …enjoy

Muhammad proven to have been:

a pedophile, a rapist, a lecher, torturer, a mass murderer, a terrorist, a cult leader, an assassin, a terrorist, a mad man, a looter, a narcissist, a misogynist

And that is not from me of course … it is declared by a well known Author and historian .
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Fineliving
written by Muslim and proud , February 15, 2012
"And that is not from me of course … it is declared by a well known Author and historian ."

And of course

The evidence was the Hadith - which the historian did not believe to be factual.

Pathetic
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Muslim and proud
written by fineliving56 , February 15, 2012
The important thing, is that YOU believe it …and that makes you dangerous as dangerous as Muhammad was.


Class dismissed
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More junk to take to the dump
written by duh_swami , February 15, 2012
M&PP...The evidence was the Hadith - which the historian did not believe to be factual.

But Islamic scholars do...Hadith, particularly those of Bukhari are considered just under Quran in authenticity and importance...So should we believe them or you, a proven liar?
Do you accept sharia law as a valuable guide for running your life?
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Fineliving
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
"The important thing, is that YOU believe it …and that makes you dangerous as dangerous as Muhammad was."

The important thing is fineliving, I don't believe it the way you do...........

So you are now making your accusation on the basis that I believe it......

You're a lost case.
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Duh Duck Face
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
"But Islamic scholars do...Hadith, particularly those of Bukhari are considered just under Quran in authenticity and importance...So should we believe them or you, a proven liar?"

Dumb f**k - you are not getting it.

Here it is in simple english:

1 - Dumb duck accuses his dad of being a dumb duck
2 - His dad asks for evidence
3 - Dumb duck says he read it in a book
4 - Dumb duck says he does NOT BELIEVE THE BOOK TO BE FACTUAL
5 - Dumb ducks das calls him a stupid ducker (quite rightly)

Comprende?



Do you accept sharia law as a valuable guide for running your life?
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Whoooo
written by rzq , February 15, 2012
@ fineliving! Who has been reading sina and tubby bobby spencer with sprinkle of sujit das! Cognative dissonance, my arse! Maybe I've got Stockholm syndrome! I've read the BS your masters write! Does nothing for me old woman!
Stop making an arse of yourself it's embarassing!
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2 M&P
written by Machmoed , February 15, 2012
I DON't BELIEVE THE HADITH TO BE FACTUAL

Hahaha! what's factual about qur'an, Moron. Shooting jinns with stars?

Nothing in islam is factual when it comes to divine revelations my dear moron. That's why it is called a religion/belief.

Actually it means that you don't trust hadith as to be accurate and authentic wich is the poit of the greatest scholars ever have been around on islam, but hey what's new!
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Machmoed
written by Muslim and proud , February 15, 2012
You're a liar

;-)
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2 M&P
written by Machmoed , February 15, 2012
Sure pumpkin :-)
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rzq
written by Machmoed , February 15, 2012
I've read the BS your masters write! Does nothing for me old woman.

Millions read qur'an and hadith and it didn't do anything for them. They couldn't understand the BS story and system your masters (MO & Al) developed as to be moral and decent let alone true. What does it mean?
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M&PP ran out of medications...
written by duh_swami , February 15, 2012
Do you accept sharia law as a valuable guide for running your life?

In other words you prefer not to answer that question...I suspect you are an apostate...Most Yorkshirian invaders are...Your post to me about that was incoherent...Have you been smoking funny tobacco again?
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irz falls down scrapes knee
written by duh_swami , February 15, 2012
rzq...You know Robert Spencer well enough to call him 'Bobby'? Have you ever bested him in a debate? Can you point out anything he lied about concerning Islam? Are you afraid of him irz? Why do you hate your mother?
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Duh Dumb Duck
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
"Do you accept sharia law as a valuable guide for running your life?"

Absolutely - 100%

Thanks for the reminder stupid duck
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Muslim and proud
written by fineliving56 , February 15, 2012
'' The important thing is fineliving, I don't believe the way you do''

Hmmmm

So you pick and choose what suites you ... so you tweak ...and cut and paste ....you omit, as you go....

if that is not biased thinking, I don't know what is !

So what is my way of thinking differ from your way of thinking when concerning hadeeth 65/260 says... Muhammad said , men will become dirty [lose wudoh[washing before sallat] like passing gas,sleep with women,pee and S**T ] for salat when a DOG a DONKEY AND A WOMAN, PASS BY YOU!!

Can you tell me of YOUR WAY OF THINKING WHEN YOU READ THIS FILTH?

Is your mother ...your sister ...your daughter .. all as najas as a dog and a donkey?



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Fineliving
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
Please can you quote the specific Hadith please?

65/260 means nothing to me. I need to know which book? (Bukhari, Sahih etc?)
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Fineliving
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
Here is the refutation - whilst you find the specific book details.

Narrated ‘Aisha: The things which annul prayers were mentioned before me (and those were): a dog, a donkey and a woman. I said, “You have compared us (women) to donkeys and dogs. By Allah! I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in (my) bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I disliked to sit and trouble the Prophet. So, I would slip away by the side of his feet.” {Bukhari :: Volume 1 :: Book 9 :: Hadith 493}

When the point you made, it was refuted by our blessed Mother Aisha (ra)........

Unluck
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Fineliving
written by Muslim and proud , February 15, 2012
Unlucky

It is you scoundrels who falsify and create the filth

Sad & Pathetic - I've bee saying it all along.
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M&PP demon boy...
written by duh_swami , February 15, 2012
"Do you accept sharia law as a valuable guide for running your life?"

Absolutely - 100%
Thanks for the reminder stupid duck

I knew you were exceptionally mentally disturbed, now for the rest of the stupidity test...Lets see if you can pass it...

Do you believe Hadith are true and accurate?
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...
written by fineliving56 , February 15, 2012
You mean you don't know it off hand ...I thought you are an expert on Islam ... I guess not ?

Sahih Muslim ... Muslim

when you came back ...you should ask your self , why in hell you are still a Muslim !!



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Duh Dumb Duck
written by Muslim and proud , February 15, 2012
Duh

"Do you believe Hadith are true and accurate?"

Those that have been classified as authentic, yes, absolutely 100%

Can I just say Duh, it gives me no pleasure whatsoever to throw insults at anyone. I am happy to call a truce - and apologise for any silly comments I made.

Can you do the same?
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Duh
written by Muslim and proud , February 15, 2012
"Do you believe Hadith are true and accurate?"

The Ones that have been classified as authentic, yes, absolutely 100%
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...
written by duh_swami , February 15, 2012
The Ones that have been classified as authentic, yes, absolutely 100%

Which ones are those?
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Duh_Swami
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
How about calling a truce and having a civilised conversation?
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Fineliving
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
Please refer to the refutation posted earlier.
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Fineliving
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
"when you came back ...you should ask your self , why in hell you are still a Muslim !!"

Errrrm, such questions are only for those who are deviant.

I would rather die than leave Islam..........everytime.
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Duh_Swami
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
D_S,

"How about calling a truce and having a civilised conversation?"

I answered a couple of your questions right?

Why is mine so difficult to answer?
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M&PP
written by duh_swami , February 15, 2012
How about calling a truce and having a civilised conversation?

You have already shown you are not capable of that...Besides it's not possible to have a civilized conversation about Islam, maybe car repair or fly fishing...

'I would rather die than leave Islam..........everytime'.

Evil does have a strong attraction for weak minded people, who swallow camels while straining out gnats...
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Duh_Swami
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
Duh_swami,

"You have already shown you are not capable of that...Besides it's not possible to have a civilized conversation about Islam, maybe car repair or fly fishing..."

So you have decided that I am not capable, without even giving it a try? Maybe this also applies to your view about having a civilised conversation about Islam?

"Evil does have a strong attraction for weak minded people, who swallow camels while straining out gnats..."

Over a billion 'weak minded people'?

I'll carry on in a civilised manner - even if you can't
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Over a billion 'weak minded people'?
written by duh_swami , February 15, 2012
So you have decided that I am not capable, without even giving it a try?

Haha, your funny, how many stupid posts have you submitted?

'Over a billion 'weak minded people'?

Yep that's it...Now your getting it...They used to say that fifty million Frenchmen can't be wrong...But later it was found that they were wrong...

Large numbers don't make for truth slickman...The real truth is in a lighted candle, and if you stare at it long enough the truth will spring itself on you...
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Duh_Swami
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
"Haha, your funny, how many stupid posts have you submitted?"

So if a criminal keeps on offending, you would not offer rehab, because of his/her past?

If a drug abuser keeps on abusing, you would not offer rehab/counselling - instead, let them destroy their life right?

A very strange approach Duh_Swami........it has to be said.

"Large numbers don't make for truth"

They don't make for the opposite either

The majority of the UK is civilised, right?
The majority of the UK contributes to the system, right?
The majority of the UK abide by the law, right?
The majority of the UK respect others, right?
The majority of the world wants peace, right?
The majority of the world wants to remove poverty, right?

The list goes on.......a bit like Ariston.


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M&P
written by dead or alive , February 15, 2012
You said.`.I would rather die than leave Islam`. For most people,`Dying ain`t much of a living`.
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M&PP
written by duh_swami , February 15, 2012
So if a criminal keeps on offending, you would not offer rehab, because of his/her past?

You think you need rehab, and I can give it to you? Well if the price is right...I tell you what...You donate $100 American dollars to Mr Khan and Islam-Watch, and I will rehabilitate you, as soon as he confirms he got the money...Usually I charge more to rehabilitate fragmented Muslims, but since you are really needy, I will do it for $100.00...
Send the money today so we can start this weekend...Make sure you have a notebook and a pen...
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Duh_Swami
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
Duh_Swami,

"You donate $100 American dollars to Mr Khan and Islam-Watch"

Are things that desperate?

"Usually I charge more to rehabilitate fragmented Muslims, but since you are really needy, I will do it for $100.00..."

I receive my rehab 5 times a day - for free

"Send the money today so we can start this weekend..."

I am busy this weekend - need to worship my beloved creator - Allah (the exalted)
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Muslims
written by dead or alive , February 15, 2012
In charge of the insane asylum,known as Islam.
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Duh
written by rzq , February 15, 2012
You just don't get it!
Loser!!!
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M&PP
written by duh_swami , February 15, 2012
I receive my rehab 5 times a day - for free

Yeah but you have a crappy therapist. Why did you ask for rehab if you don't want it...Are you getting cold feet? Are you afraid?
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irz
written by duh_swami , February 15, 2012
What is it I don't get...Don't be ashamed, explain yourself...
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Duh
written by rzq , February 15, 2012
Read my lips
" there is no god worthy of worship aside from Allah(swt) and the prophet muhammed (pbuh) was his last and final messanger"

Simples!!!!
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Muhammad the women hater
written by fineliving56 , February 15, 2012
Sahih Muslim 67/ 57/

Mohammad the hater said '' I never will leave worse harmful temptation on you all men, worse then women "

Nice …

Thank you, loving Muhammad … I really appreciate this from you … as a women I am hated before I was ever born …before I ever, had the chance to show if I am harmful to any man

What is the point ?
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Muslim and Proud
written by fineliving56 , February 15, 2012
> "So obviously I can not insult a dead person"

> So if you went to the Queen of England and verbally abused her mother, you would be congratulated would you?

> Somehow I don't think so.

> Your logic is pathetic

You asked me whether I would be congratulated if I verbally abused a dead person.

And then you say that you *somehow don't think that I would be congratulated*.

And that is your refutation to my explanation?

That is your logic?

And you're saying that *my* logic is pathetic?

Did you read your reply before pressing send?

I suggest you reread your reply and reread your reply and reread your reply before pressing send.
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rzq
written by fineliving56 , February 15, 2012
> Cognative dissonance, my arse! … I've read the BS your masters write! Does nothing for me old woman!

Understanding Cognitive Dissonance theory can help you stop rationalizing and denying the truth.

But you're problem is that you are rationalizing Cognitive Dissonance theory itself. So this is preventing you from learning the very nature of your mind that is causing the rationalizations.

So of course it does nothing for you.

You have to choose to learn it.

But most people in your situation don't choose to learn it.

This is why we still have so many muslims.

You are the proof that Cognitive Dissonance theory is true and affecting muslims.
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To M & P
written by Archpagan , February 15, 2012
'There's plenty on the streets of England pops - you should not have any problems'.

Really? Are they all Muslims? Sobhan Allaha!

'You are more than welcome - anytime - the doors are always open - especially for bigots who need to learn what it means to be civilised.'

Now I have fully got at the standard of your civilization. But, I fear it may lead us to end up in the Zoo. Really, I suffer sporadic attacks of astigmation. So, bear with me, brother (in-law)
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Hope Allah/ Muhammad accept their Failure
written by No More Confused , February 15, 2012

14/15 centuries passed and allah/ muhammad could not islamize more than 25% of the humans.

Out of 25% we know 90% muslims are useless humans contributing only destruction to society and world.

i just want to know what is allah/ muhammad thinking right now. Isnt it a complete failure??

what is allah/ muhammad waiting for.? isnt it time allah/ muhammad should accept their utter failure and remove

their spell from muslims so that muslims can also go back to humanity for a better future and happiness.
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......
written by Machmoed , February 16, 2012
i just want to know what is allah/ muhammad thinking right now.

If they could think properly, we wouldn't be here discussing the filthy opinion of theirs (ideology) and there would be no abrogations. Abrogation means something what was revealed before is overruled by a later verse about the same subject. It seemes Mo or Al couldn't get it right in the first place. Alim bikully shai' (alknowing)?
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Fineliving
written by Muslim & Proud , February 16, 2012
Fineliving,

Islam haters like you usually have a bad habit of twisting words and presenting the negative side........it's nothing new.

'' I never will leave worse harmful temptation on you all men, worse then women "

You even put "" to show it as a quote - how pathetic.

Here is the actual Hadith:

"I have not left behind me any temptation more harmful for men than women." ( Al-Bukhari and Muslim)

Your translation: Women are harmful and evil
Our translation: Men and women should not mix freely

Once again, you have proved that you are sad and pathetic - well done.
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Archpagan
written by Muslim & Proud , February 16, 2012
"14/15 centuries passed and allah/ muhammad could not islamize more than 25% of the humans."

Yet western women continue to convert at an alarming rate.

"Out of 25% we know 90% muslims are useless humans contributing only destruction to society and world."

Really? So in your small little world, there is nothing but destruction.

"i just want to know what is allah/ muhammad thinking right now. Isnt it a complete failure?"

Do you not have a life? Hobbies and interests that might help you to stop thinking about Islam?

"what is allah/ muhammad waiting for.? isnt it time allah/ muhammad should accept their utter failure and remove"

Do you not have a life? Hobbies and interests that might help you to stop thinking about Islam?

Amazing - Praise be to Allah (the exalted). Even Islam haters spend their life thinking/talking about Islam.......wow.
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Archpagan
written by Muslim & Proud , February 16, 2012
"i just want to know what is allah/ muhammad thinking right now. Isnt it a complete failure?"

Archpagan,

The fact that you (and other athiests and pagans) spend your time thinking and talking about Islam is a testament about the influence of Islam.

Well done my friend.
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irz blows bubbles in his milk
written by duh_swami , February 16, 2012
Read my lips
" there is no god worthy of worship aside from Allah(swt) and the prophet muhammed (pbuh) was his last and final messanger"

I can't read your lips if I can't see you irz...Other than that, what you posted is a lie...Allah is not God, and Mohammad was his master criminal, and not a messenger...

Shahada is the first lie of Islam, all the other lies are piled up on that one...Do you have any other delusional material you want to tell me about?
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.....
written by Machmoed , February 16, 2012
The fact that you (and other athiests and pagans) spend your time thinking and talking about Islam is a testament about the influence of Islam.

Bad influence it is. Islam should stay at islamic societies. Since there is no room for equality of religions in islamic nations, there can't be equality for muslims/islam in kafir nations. Take your dump to dar al islam. We have seen enough of islam/muslims and we don't want such ideoloy in a 21th century western society where secularism is fact. If you want to believe in your God/religion take the advice of kamal ataturk. Keep it to yourself in your private room and do not express it publically as truth.
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M&PP, numbs out
written by duh_swami , February 16, 2012
The fact that you (and other athiests and pagans) spend your time thinking and talking about Islam is a testament about the influence of Islam.

And what an idiotic statement that is...Islam has negative, dangerous, and evil influence, which is why kuffar pay any attention to it at all...No atheist or pagan accepts your fake but dangerous god as the real thing. Allah is as phony as a three dollar bill, you worship a phantom ghost...There may or may not have been a living Mohammad, but there never was an Allah and a Gabriel...You worship fairy tales every bit as much as do some Christians...
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irz...in addion
written by duh_swami , February 16, 2012
" there is no god worthy of worship aside from Allah(swt)

This of course was stolen from the Bible, 'Thou shall have no other gods before me'...It's most interesting because both books admit to the existence of 'other gods'...Christians know this, and try to justify it by saying 'the one true God'...So who were/are these other gods? They can't be jinn, nor angels, not even Satan or chief demons...Actually these gods are symbolic representations of cosmic forces of various types known to exist...For instance the god Mars, called the god of war, and also, rigidity, discipline, punishment, justice and over all harshness...All known to exist...Mars god is more appropriate for Allah than the moon god...

Is that to much for your limited capacity? I don't want to confuse you...
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Muslim and proud …again, I am not looking at it the right way ….non sense
written by fineliving56 , February 16, 2012
You see the word '' Adar '' and Fittnah'' as … "" do not mix "… that is real joke, except IT IS NOT

If Allah/ Muhammad [same thing] wanted to say that …. they would have said that Zambia, ….simpley .

To put the blame on only women in that statement, is a cheep SHOT considering Allah him self , was the one who made that possible in the first place … come on … that is too far even by a Muslim like you.

An Allah who cant or unable to make woman, understand a simple statement ….He is NO GOD
and I would NOT except him as God …

Allah and Muhammad was and still is harmful to women …just ask my mother and all the abused, burned, honor killed, married as children Muslim women who were unlucky enough to be born to this travesty .

By leaving this sick hadeeth, Muhammad,represented the worst harm to women …. Muslim ….

Your explanation is biased, typical from a Muslim MAN

You are a muslim weasel who is welling to defend the indefensible to condone and serve you self

Shame on your Allah, on your Muhammad, on you and all the mad Muslim who think women would except this injustice as truth …. shame

Refuted with logic again .


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Duh
written by Machmoed , February 16, 2012
It's most interesting because both books admit to the existence of 'other gods'.

You hit the nail. Allah is so jealous of other Gods that shirk is the most evil thing to do in Islam.
But then again, what afraid or jealous is Allah of. He is jealous if people worship other gods beside him...what other gods? This is Allah's/Mo's logic.
Ofcours it is logic to claim such thing if it is has polyethistic origin like islam has.
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This is to all kufirs …gather around
written by fineliving56 , February 16, 2012
And listen to the wisdom of Muhammad….. the stomach doctor

Muslims have one stomach ….You Kufirs, on the other hand, have * seven *… yes, that is right ….seven stomachs according to Sahih Muslim related by Muhammad

lol …. You are walking miracles and you never knew it …

now you know … think of the possibilities

I wonder what else, you have, that is seven not one …. lol
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Machmoed - The Liar
written by Muslim and proud , February 16, 2012
"Bad influence it is. Islam should stay at islamic societies"

So what is it doing here then

I hope you did not injure yourself too much when you tripped yourself up. I suggest you tie your shoelaces
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Fineliving
written by Muslim and proud , February 16, 2012
"that is right ….seven stomachs according to Sahih Muslim related by Muhammad"

According to your brothers Duh an Machmoed the liar, not a single Hadith can be trusted by ex Muslims.

Well done, again
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Fineliving
written by Muslim and proud , February 16, 2012
"Refuted with logic again"

You misquoted a Hadith (typical if ex-Muslims) and then you think you have refuted.

This is nothing but ex-Muslim logic

Conclusion: sad & pathetic
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Typical Muslim
written by No More Confused , February 16, 2012
M & P

I have just put an analysis of allah/ muhammad achievements in the last 14 centuries this is what we are discussing here.

You dont worry about my hobbies. Right now i am on vacation with my family in New York staying in a hotel

next to Times Square and last night we went to Broadway show that was amazing.

If you want rational discussion plz reply to my analysis in rational way

The Almighty Allah and King of Prophets Muhammad could not Islamize 25% humans after 14 centuries???

Allah/ Muhammad have failed.

First of all accept the fact than we can talk further!!!
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You are still confused
written by Muslim and proud , February 16, 2012
On vacation and still Islam is with you....wow

It's a marathon and not a sprint

Check the trend of western women embracing Islam - the trend speaks for itself.
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Typical Muslim
written by No More Confused , February 16, 2012
M & P

You are not replying for the last 14 centuries and you are hopeful for the future..what should i say???

Plz reply for the last 14 centuries..i want you to reply for the last 14 centuries...last 1400 years?????

God didnt give muhammad affection of parents

God didnt give muhammad affection of sister

God didnt give muhammad affection of brother

God didnt give muhammad love of son

God didnt give muhammad a good looking young wife (khadija 25 yrs older and 2 times married)

and look

what muhammad did to humanity in revenge..open your mind M & P its not difficult to understand

you just have to remove the islamic spell.
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You are still confused
written by Muslim and proud , February 16, 2012
Allah (the exalted) is the king of the heavens and the earth - he does as he pleases.

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is the best of creation and the beloved Prophet.

Always
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Muslim the proud
written by fineliving56 , February 16, 2012
you sound so disparate … repeating the same sentence …

According to you on 2/15 12 ….it is 100% facts ...…..

lol … 7 ….stomacks ….haha

if any one wants to check this non sense … it is @ Sahih muslim book 41/part 14/ hadeeth 1312

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Fineliving
written by Muslim and proud , February 16, 2012
"… it is @ Sahih muslim book 41/part 14/ hadeeth 1312"

Please remember the golden rule of your ex-Muslim brothers

"NOT A SINGLE HADITH CAN BE TRUSTED"

Sad and pathetic
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Fineliving
written by Muslim and proud , February 16, 2012
"According to you on 2/15 12 ….it is 100% facts ...….. "

Some people have strange beliefs about David Ike - it's THEIR belief. I would disrespect their belief. Adults do not behave in ways which insults and offends others.
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Fineliving
written by Muslim and proud , February 16, 2012
Correction

I would NOT disrespect their belief
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YOU HAVE LOST THE CASE
written by No More Confused , February 16, 2012
M & P

Whatever you are replying is not rational...just utterance of a typical mullah.

as per muslims QIYAMAT is round the corner..its about to happen

When Allah will ask KING OF PROPHETS muhammad his achievements..

Only 25% muslims with 72 sects killing each other after 1400 years.

If you were God M & P would you pass muhammad for the results

Finally muhammad and allah will blame each other for such poor results..i am sure allah will regret not sending

another prophet for improvement.
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You are still confused
written by Muslin And Proud , February 16, 2012
"When Allah will ask KING OF PROPHETS muhammad his achievements.. "

And this is rational is it?

Prophets will not be questioned - I think you already know that.

"72 sects killing each other after 1400 years. "

73 actually, as per the Hadith, which, ironically, was foretold 1400 years ago.

"If you were God M & P would you pass muhammad for the results"

You can't judge perfection
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Some More Questions
written by No More Confused , February 16, 2012
M & P

Some more rational questions for your spell..bound mind

1. Is there any proof (other than your holy quran) that Abraham ever visited mecca?

2. Did any of the prophets between Abraham to so called prophet muhammad ever spoke about Mecca/ Kaaba as

the holiest place.

3. Why allah gave permission to shaitan (upon his request) to spread sin when shaitan was proven guilty.

Would or should a JUdge can give permission to a proven thief (upon thieves request) to continue robbery or

should the judge punish him and restrict him from further crimes????

plz think first and than reply.

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You are still confused
written by Muslim & Proud , February 16, 2012
"1. Is there any proof (other than your holy quran) that Abraham ever visited mecca?"

Why is that a concern for an ex-muslim?

"2. Did any of the prophets between Abraham to so called prophet muhammad ever spoke about Mecca/ Kaaba as
the holiest place."

Why is that a concern for an ex-muslim?

"3. Why allah gave permission to shaitan (upon his request) to spread sin when shaitan was proven guilty.
Would or should a JUdge can give permission to a proven thief (upon thieves request) to continue robbery or
should the judge punish him and restrict him from further crimes????"

Why is that a concern for an ex-muslim?

You are on vacation and you have left Islam behind. Yet, you are unable to find any solace?

Is it normal for someone to make a decision first (i.e. leave Islam) and then ask all of the questions - very odd.
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You are still confused
written by Muslim & Proud , February 16, 2012
"1. Is there any proof (other than your holy quran) that Abraham ever visited mecca?"

Why is that a concern for an ex-muslim?

"2. Did any of the prophets between Abraham to so called prophet muhammad ever spoke about Mecca/ Kaaba as
the holiest place."

Why is that a concern for an ex-muslim?

"3. Why allah gave permission to shaitan (upon his request) to spread sin when shaitan was proven guilty.
Would or should a JUdge can give permission to a proven thief (upon thieves request) to continue robbery or
should the judge punish him and restrict him from further crimes????"

Why is that a concern for an ex-muslim?

You are on vacation and you have left Islam behind. Yet, you are unable to find any solace?

Is it normal for someone to make a decision first (i.e. leave Islam) and then ask all of the questions - very odd.
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Ex Muslims are not concerned
written by fineliving56 , February 16, 2012
You want to be Muslim zombis ….fine … go ahead

Have at it …..who in the hell cares ….

But, do in your own country … not in UK

Under the rule of the sick Islamic Sharia rule … my suggestion is Saudi Arabia the Mecca of filth

Get the hell out of the lands where you are not wanted …

The land that is not yours ….

Around people who cant stand to sight of you ….

Looking at your beards …

Your women borqas …

your loud mosques …

your filthy minds …

your halal meat …

your inhumane slaughter of sheep sacrifices …

your honer killings …

your wife beatings ….

Your wife collecting ….

Did I say …..your filthy minds ….which is a replica of the filthy mind of Muhammad

JUST ……...GET OUT

Do I see some tears …. Muslim … are you crying?
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Stupid boy in need of rehab
written by duh_swami , February 16, 2012
Why is that a concern for an ex-muslim?

Islam has made your cut throat religion a concern for nearly everyone, because your Allahphrenic brothers are running around the planet killing people in the name of Allah...And it's not just a few extremists liar...
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the proud Muslim
written by fineliving56 , February 16, 2012
Sound like a broken record …. ex muslims … ex muslims … ex muslims …

Any one out their, can repair that Muslim … if not, well then just throw it away … it is not worse a thing .

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M&PP wins a stupid award
written by duh_swami , February 16, 2012
Is it normal for someone to make a decision first (i.e. leave Islam) and then ask all of the questions - very odd.

Gad your stupid...Let me help you out...No one here asks you questions because they want to know more about Islam...They ask you questions and make comments to show you how stupid and irrational you are by accepting bull sht as truth...
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Fineliving
written by Muslim and proud , February 16, 2012
"Sound like a broken record …. ex muslims … ex muslims … ex muslims … "

And now you're complaining about being called an ex-Muslim

Sad and pathetic, indeed
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ITS 100% RATIONAL
written by No More Confused , February 16, 2012
M & P

yes i am on vacation and at complete solace. just that history and religions are my favourate topics!!! my family

still sleeping so i thought to visit islam watch.

is it bad to discuss islam after leaving islam..why it offends you. In fact you should not be visiting such a site i

am sure muslims are forbidden to discuss islamic (mafia) issues on such sites. This is why such sites are blocked

in Islamic countries.

Now coming to God. If i was allah i would surely take some measures to redirect humanity to the righteous path

(islam) I would not wait 1400 years to let 75% humans go astray.

On what basis allah declared muhammad the last prophet..means allah has no more to offer????

allah has no better prophet than muhammad to help humanity...Can u believe that????
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Duh
written by Muslim and proud , February 16, 2012
"Gad your stupid...Let me help you out...No one here asks you questions because they want to know more about Islam...They ask you questions and make comments to show you how stupid and irrational you are by accepting bull sht as the truth"

Gad????

Definition of stupid: A Muslim hater who confesses to believe the Holy Qur'an

Class
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Duh
written by Muslim and proud , February 16, 2012
"...And it's not just a few extremists liar..."

So how many is it out of a billion Einstein?

Please provide the number with evidence (if you can)

Good luck.
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You are still confused
written by Muslim & Proud , February 16, 2012
"allah has no better prophet than muhammad to help humanity...Can u believe that????"

You don't believe it........that's why you are en ex-muslim.

You might be shocked to learn that muslims believe it......

Your help is with Daniel pipes - he can offer you much better guidance.
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Duh swami
written by fineliving56 , February 16, 2012
Right on Duh …. show that muslim zombi how idiotic he sounds …right on

I have todo some work … tell IW Muslim invader …. the recess in up... back to class …

I am out
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I DONT CARE WHAT MUSLIMS BELIEVE I AM RATIONAL
written by No More Confused , February 16, 2012
M & P

Dont you think by declaring himself last prophet muhammad has put seal on allah's wisdom, allah's ability to create

someone better than muhammad. allah is helpless now this is why muslims are in this situation no leader no

khalifa no prophet...whom to blame...allah or muhammad????
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Confused
written by rzq , February 16, 2012
"someone better than muhammad. allah is helpless now this is why muslims are in this situation no leader no

khalifa no prophet...whom to blame...allah or muhammad???? "

Don't worry about us, we know exactly how and who destroyed the khilafa!
Let me give you a news flash, the khilafa is coming back!
What you see in the middle east are it's birth pangs!
The dictators are being thrown out and the people will get what they want!
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Fineliving
written by Muslim & Proud , February 16, 2012
"I have todo some work … tell IW Muslim invader …. the recess in up... back to class …

I am out"

Are you sure?

The same way you are out of Islam

Joke
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I HAVE A RELIGION
written by No More Confused , February 16, 2012
M & P

I believe in God. When ever i need Godly help i just look at sky and talk to him. I am sure my God listens to me and

helps me. I respect my God but i do not bow to him. Bowing is slavery and my God doesnt like his best and

most intelligent creature to bow. I try my best to refrain myself from sin. I do not believe in

religions because all religions have failed. My God and my brain is enough to guide me.
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You are still confused
written by Muslim & Proud , February 16, 2012
"Dont you think by declaring himself last prophet muhammad has put seal on allah's wisdom, allah's ability to create"

Negative

"someone better than muhammad. allah is helpless now this is why muslims are in this situation no leader no

khalifa no prophet...whom to blame...allah or muhammad????"

You sound like a qadiyani.

Once again your lack of knowledge is clear - no wonder you left Islam.......it's quite obvious.

Check: Imam Mahdi (as)
Check: Promised Messiah

Actually, why would you want to do this research now that you are an ex-muslim.........two words

Sad

&

Pathetic
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M&PP freak of nature...
written by duh_swami , February 16, 2012
So how many is it out of a billion Einstein?

Enough to have committed over 12,000 deadly terrorist attacks since 911, enough to kill hundreds in your own various riots, enough to kill thousands of your brothers and sisters in Iraq and Afghanistan, enough to kill hundreds of Christians in Iraq, Afghanistan, Sudan, Nigeria, the Philippines, enough to kill a thousand students and parents held hostage, brutalizes and murdered at Beslen School Russia, I can't even list all your atrocities there is no room for a 100,000 page book on your evils......The rest of you make no effort at all to stop any of this, so you are every bit as guilty for all of it creep...You have blood on your hands...Now get a job punk...
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M and P
written by rzq , February 16, 2012
Dont know about you brother but I'm having a blast watching these bigots twist and turn and squirm.
Surely there has to be smarter ones than the chaff that replies???
MR MA Khan maybe?
Anyways check this link out!!!!

http://zakiausmani.blogspot.com/2011/10/do-you-pray-nowhy.html?m=1
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Lying Muslims in IW
written by fineliving56 , February 16, 2012
I heard this enough ….

Muslim and co are lying about the fact that there is many Imams babbling around on the internet promoting, excusing, explaining and manipulating of all thing ""how muslim women allowed to live …...

well here is all this ….liars

# ! idiot …..Sheik Sahi Yassin …. How to beat women … not more then 10 blows …

# 2 idiot ……..Sheik Khailid Yasin …How not to hit women in the face just on everywhere else is fine ….he says we are not supposed to hit Camels and donkeys in the face so how about a women [ thanks for comparing us to Camels and donkeys ] … it is strange ...I was watching the video and I sow a tail sticking out from under his white dress.


#3 ……..Dr.[ Dr huh ] Abd-al- Aziz …a fawzan ….this idiot says … why we [ means muslim men] can not let women drive and he explained why …in his ratty voice

Now this Morainic excuse of a humen beings that need to have his tung yanked out of his mouth before he had the chance to say this criminal disgusting act of violence against women that is shamefull on the brow of Islam …..

"Shrike Gamal Qutub …'' rules of when a husband allowed to kill his wife in Islam "

Need to say anything more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I do not know how we can twist and turn this word in Islam
written by fineliving56 , February 16, 2012
Beat wives

It is there glaring like a freaking noun sign …. You cannot get pass it, if you are going to call Islam a religion ….

twist and turn my foot !!!
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No more confused
written by rzq , February 16, 2012
I have a few questions:
1. What's your gods name? What's he/she like?
2. Why do you look up and not down when you are talking to him/her?
3. How do you know when you are respecting or disrespecting him/her?
4. How do you know your god doesn't want you to bow down??
5. How do you know what sin is? What happens when you sin or don't sin for that matter??
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Imam irz
written by duh_swami , February 16, 2012
1. What's your gods name? What's he/she like?...
The absolute has no name and is not like anything...

2. Why do you look up and not down when you are talking to him/her?
The absolute has no particular direction

3. How do you know when you are respecting or disrespecting him/her?
The absolute has no need of your respect or disrespect...

4. How do you know your god doesn't want you to bow down??
When the absolute wants you to bow down, it will say so...

5. How do you know what sin is? What happens when you sin or don't sin for that matter??
The absolute knows nothing of sin, so it does not matter...

Got anymore questions I can help you with?
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Fineliving
written by rzq , February 16, 2012
"I heard this enough …."
" manipulating of all thing ""how muslim women allowed to live …..."
"Now this Morainic excuse of a humen beings that need to have his tung yanked out of his"
"aking noun sign …. You cannot get pass it, if you are going to call Islam a religion"

Can someone, anyone translate this crap???
Her menopause meds have run out!!!!
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Fineliving & Others
written by Muslim & Proud , February 16, 2012
Fineliving

"Muslim and co are lying about the fact that there is many Imams babbling around on the internet promoting, excusing, explaining and manipulating of all thing ""how muslim women allowed to live …... "

Many Imams?

Out of potentially millions of Imams, you managed to find 4 i think. Thanks for the research as it does prove that this is truly a "minute" minority. You might not be familiar with this term but they are referred to extremists. Similar to the way you are etreme about your views, they are also extreme and do not IN ANY WAY represent the majority. Unless you can prove otherwise of course.

"Need to say anything more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Eh?

"Beat wives"

What are you talking about fineliving?

It is interesting to see that you have not been able to post ONE link from an Islamic website, which proves that Islam promotes wife beating.......

What a shame.

Rzq - They are certainly squirming Bro.......it's no surprise.
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M&PP punk boy...
written by duh_swami , February 16, 2012
It is interesting to see that you have not been able to post ONE link from an Islamic website, which proves that Islam promotes wife beating..

How about you producing one web site or Imam that says, 'I don't care if Allah did give you permission to beat your wives in verse 4:34, I am telling you not to do it'...produce that or shut up...
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QURAN …. 4/34
written by fineliving56 , February 16, 2012
the liar brothers …deny their Quran ….where they are ordered to beat there wives when disobey

'Muslim said ' Muslims said what are you talking about ''

you Liar …….Idrubohona …In your Quran …

Banduk ….wosik … baheem …

Your sadistic Allah/ Muhammad sentenced millions of women to wive beating
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Fineliving
written by Muslim and proud , February 16, 2012
"the liar brothers …deny their Quran ….where they are ordered to beat there wives when disobey"

Fineliving,

Let's see how truthful you are. Please provide the verse the verse which says:

"BEAT YOUR WIVES IF THEY DO NOT OBEY"

I'm waiting

Duh - where's the link to that ONE website Einstein - I asked first my friend.
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Muslim and Proud
written by fineliving56 , February 16, 2012
You asked me for 1 example that proves you wrong.

I provided you with 4 examples that prove you wrong.

Now you're that 4 isn't enough?

Have you ever wondered why your mind plays games with you?

Maybe its time to start reflecting on your thoughts.

I sick of thinking for you.
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M&PP calls Allah a liar...
written by duh_swami , February 16, 2012
Duh - where's the link to that ONE website Einstein - I asked first my friend.

Your obfuscations are noted freak...You can't find any web sites that say don't beat your wife and you know it puke lips...it is not up to me to prove beating your wife is unIslamic, it is up to you to prove it, and you can't...so now you should shut up, but I know you can't do that, you are having a series of Allahgasms that are fragmenting your mind...4:34 means exactly what it says, unless you are calling Allah a liar...
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rcq… Cognitive Dissonance OR Doublethink // X OR Y
written by fineliving56 , February 16, 2012
Its interesting that you haven't replied yet. Maybe you weren't sure and forgot to reply. So consider this a reminder.

Do you deny X or Y?

X is the idea that all Hadith is truth.

Y is the Hadith that said something to the effect of "The believer eats 1 stomach and the infidel eats 7 stomachs."

Which one do you deny? Or do consider both to be true? If so, then you are not experiencing cognitive dissonance and instead you are experiencing doublethink.

So which is it?
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rsq… menopause?
written by fineliving56 , February 16, 2012
> Her menopause meds have run out!!!!

Better to be old than to be irrational and naive.

Don't you think?

Before you answer this post, please answer my previous post. I'm really interested to know whether you will choose to wake up or continue sleeping.
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Fineliving and Duh
written by Muslim and proud , February 16, 2012
Fineliving - 4 examples do not equate to ONE website which explicitly PROMOTES wife beating - you need to stop using ex-Muslim logic.

There is a website dedicated to 4:34. I'm sure it will make you very I'll because it actually PROVES quite conclusively that wife beating is not allowed at all.

http://www.quran434.com/wife-beating-islam.html

It is likely to take you a few weeks, if not months to actually understand it all.

Enjoy

Ps. Duh, I'll look forward to ONE ISLAMIC website which actually PROMOTES wife beating using the Holy Qur'an / Hadith - good luck my friend.
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Fineliving
written by rzq , February 16, 2012
Your old man is/was a Muslim! Did he knock your mom around?
What about your hubby? He is still Muslim? What's his back hand taste like?

If they didnt or do not then ask yourself why????
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Get lost freak
written by duh_swami , February 16, 2012
Who cares what you and your biased taqiyya web site says freak...I can produce video's of you imams talking brutal sht...I'm really not interested in conversing with dirty demons selling Islamic snake oil...So flake off...
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ruq
written by fineliving56 , February 16, 2012
Are you saying it is OK for my husband to hit me ?
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Fineliving
written by rzq , February 16, 2012
No that's not what I am saying at all!!!
I am saying that your father and husband are Muslim and yet they don't!!!!
Why???? Are they not following scripture the correct way!
Take your time and think about it!!!
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M and P
written by rzq , February 16, 2012
You take out the legs from under them and all they got left Is to accuse you of is taqiyya!!!
Sad so sad!!!
Check and mate
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Rzq & Duh
written by Muslim & Proud , February 16, 2012
Rzq - Good point made and the link you sent was awsome btw

Duh

"Who cares what you and your biased taqiyya web site says freak..."

I was confident the website would upset you duh. Considering you have no idea what Taqqiya is, it's fair to say you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I hope you are able to slleep tonight my friend - the website I shared would really have upset you and I hope you do not have any nightmares about it........og and btw, that's just one of many that condemns wife beating in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.

Please remember to try and find JUST ONE link that promotes wife beating, using verses from the Holy Quran or Hadith.......good luck my friend.

Try and keep some tissues nearby when you are reading the details that condemn wife beating - I hope you do not cry too much. Maybe your mum can help to wipe away the tears and give you a cuddle. I would have said 'your partner' but bigots usually are of the lonely type.......know what I mean.

Game, set AND match............my friend.
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rzq…. I do not have to think about for long
written by fineliving56 , February 16, 2012
You really stepped in it, up to your knees …. what do I expect from a muslim man ...

I still have a scar that I will carry with me to my grave from my muslims father just like my mothers she carried her scars to her grave …..MY father was a true to his Quran …all right

My mother died with her many scars with a permanent lump on her head … who ended in the hospital many times …. as I was the oldest girl had to shield her and get beaten in the process … she tried to throw her self off the balcony … my bagging her not do it stopped her ….

How I my doing for you MR …rzq …

I did taste the back handed slap many times … I taste blood

how I my doing for MR rzq Muslim …. is it enough for you …. is it? ….IS IT? …

You poor child … you do not know what you are talking about …

Have you tasted your own blood …. I guess not … i…

My husband does not try to hit me … he knows what my father have done and …. No ….he knows that I will break his hand if he ever tried … I was beating the Islamic style beatings for the last time ….true to 4/34

You most not know that I live in the US where a man beater, muslim or other wise will end up in jail for his effort
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Fineliving
written by Muslim & Proud , February 16, 2012
The type of behaviour you describe is unnacceptable and cannot be as a result of 4:34. It is as a result of the misinterpretation of 4:34.

Please check the website I posted.

There are extremists in every society unfortunately and I have to say it's a real shame that there are muslim men who think they have the right to beat their wife.

You can continue to think that Islam promotes wife beating, however, the evidence is there......and if you did some of your own research, you will find much more.......I can't say much more than that.
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Do you speak and write Arabic ?
written by fineliving56 , February 16, 2012
Before I wasted my time with the likes of you …..an ignorant in the Arabic languish

this web site is double talk and if you do not know that …I can not help you ?????????????

Your web site is complete lies …. you and the web sit are wrong …. you are complete brain watched zombi that you believe anything people tell you without verify for your self ….

I will prove to you how wrong you are when I feel like it ….

go to your room now … you are dismissed …

I feel sorry for the many generations that do not know arabic and they have been fed lies from Quran to reduce the blunt hit of Quran … wow
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Muslim and Proud
written by fineliving56 , February 16, 2012
> There is a website dedicated to 4:34. I'm sure it will make you very ill because it actually PROVES quite conclusively that wife beating is not allowed at all.

In this verse, the verb _beat them_ is translated from Idrooboohuna, which is a conjugation of the root verb Daraba. The author incorrectly explains that Idrooboohuna, in this verse, does not mean _beat them_ by comparing many verses that have the root word Daraba in which the meaning is not _beat_.

But this is illogical. All of his examples are compound words that contain the base word Daraba. Of course compound words do not have the same meaning of their base words. For example, background means something completely different than one of its base words ground.

So his entire premise crumbles. Therefore his conclusion is false.

Let me summarize. Every Quranic translation [and explanation, i.e. tefseer] translates Idrooboohuna as _beat them_. But you found a website whereby an unnamed author [who professes his ignorance of the Arabic language and his lack of education in Arabic and Islam] contradicts all of them.

So this begs the question: "Why do you believe him instead of the others?" Its simple. You *want* to believe him. This is a rationalization. Do you remember cognitive dissonance?
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Hell fire for M & P, rzq ,malem, zakir naik and the underwear bomber
written by shahid-kafir , February 16, 2012
Oye Ye M&P, rzq, MALEM, ZAKIR naik and the underwear suicide bomber - today we received orders from ALLA H . The above mentioned persons - namely Moslem &Proud, rzq, MALEM, ZAKIR NAIK the hate preacher and bigot , and the Nigerian underwear swuicide bomber , in detroit , will be roasted , like pigs on fire with each one of them having their own ZAGHOOM fruits in their mouths , until eternity.
Do you have any defence ?
Your stench has reached ALLAH.
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oops , forgot to mention about your neighbour in hell pit
written by shahid-kafir , February 16, 2012
OYE M&P, rqz, Malem, zakir naik and the suicide underwear bomber -
Your neighbour in hell pit -will be OSAMA BIN LADEN
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Fineliving
written by Muslim and proud , February 17, 2012
"you are complete brain watched zombi that you believe anything people tell you"

I could say exactly the same about you.

The fact remains fineliving - if your misinterpretation was true, then every Muslim man would have to be a wife beater - an I know deep down, you know this is not the case.

You mentioned about your father beating your mum.

Are you telling me that he did this because if 4:34 and no other reason?

Yes or No
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written by Reed Wison. , February 17, 2012
To Mr. Ghalib. Thank you. You observe correct about 7. I don’t go to mosque. Imams had virtually hanged Jesus Christ. They are professionals and have skills to survive. Thanks again for videos.
To scrutator. Thanks dear. I am not resurfacing. I found more deserving disturbed people elsewhere. IW was considering me hostile to the site.

The interpretations of Quran are hadis based; so also the sects. All sects are hell bound. Quran can be translated as any other book. Quran itself discourages interpretations. It is individual's responsibility to ponder and reflect.

Kalima and Khatna not there in Quran. Hadis tell them to do that. Prayer times are suggested in Quran.

To Dwito. Thank you. I wish if they are encouraged.

To Archpagan. Thanks. I am fine. Not on sabbatical. Sorry for nagging. I crossed my limits.

To Malem. Allah reminded many times that Muhammad was not more than a messenger like all other apostles. It does not matter much if he had brothers’ sisters etc in delivering message. I cannot defend if his mother was Amina, father Abdullah and daughter was Fatima. I once looked for meanings of name Fatima. I could not find. Hadis gives not only names but ages etc.
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2 my moronic friend
written by Machmoed , February 17, 2012
I see you're still here MORON posting that garbage of yours as usual. You talked about facts remember. Shooting jinns with meteorites/stars? factual? MORON, why do you insult your intelligence that means if you have one my little moronic friend. I'll pay the treatment duh will give you rehabilitating you and schooling you. Now the first step would be thanking me for directing you to guidence.
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M and P
written by rzq , February 17, 2012
Bro it's Friday! I'm sure you are really busy! Dont waste it here. We can always pick it up sat. That gives the bigots some time to write something worth reading!!!
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written by Machmoed , February 17, 2012
look who's talking! twinbrother moron. Go to your imam abdul to inspire you with the fridaypreech. Maybe he will you this islamic teaching from an islamic website. Do Not Curse or Ridicule: Muslims are forbidden from ridiculing or cursing others. The Qur'an teaches us that we should not do this because the person we are cursing or ridiculing may be better than us in many ways. Also, engaging in these types of actions casts doubt on the strength of the belief of a Muslim. Islam teaches us that God despises those who use foul language and continually curse and ridicule others.

Allah despises you according to Qur'an. You have to pray a lot and stay away frome this site in order to be a good muslim. Take it as an advice.
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To M & P
written by Archpagan , February 17, 2012
'Do you not have a life? Hobbies and interests that might help you to stop thinking about Islam? '

I am as much concerned with Islam as I am with mosquitos and rats.

'No one has right to be worshipped except Allah and Mohammad is His Messenger'- Does it look like a pious statement? Introspect moron.
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Machmoed - The Liar
written by Muslim & Proud , February 17, 2012
"I'll pay the treatment duh will give you rehabilitating you and schooling you."

Liar
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Muslim and Proud
written by Fineliving56's son , February 17, 2012
"The fact remains fineliving - if your misinterpretation was true, then every Muslim man would have to be a wife beater - an I know deep down, you know this is not the case."

The vast majority of muslims never read the Quran, which means they don't know about the wife-beater part. So why do you think that every muslim man would have to be a wife beater?

Furthermore, most muslims do what ever they want to do, rather than explicitly follow what the Quran instructs them to do. The only muslims that try to follow every instruction of the Quran are the ones that follow the philosophy that we must take the Quran literally and therefore must believe and obey every word of it. These are the extremists, i.e. Islamists.


"You mentioned about your father beating your mum. Are you telling me that he did this because if 4:34 and no other reason?"

You've got to stop assuming things. My mom never told you [or anyone] that her father was a muslim. He was an atheist who hid his beliefs. He beat his wife because he was a tyrant. He beat his wife because he learned it from society.
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Muslim and Proud - Appealing to authority
written by Fineliving56's son , February 17, 2012
"I could say exactly the same about you." [referring to believing other people without first checking the validity of the argument]

You are appealing to authority. And you are claiming that my mom [and maybe I] appeal to authority.

We don't believe any statement, theory, idea, or anything else without first understanding the logic behind it. We must be convinced first before believing anything.

You on the other hand, do believe things before first understanding the logic behind it.

So you are appealing to authority figures, while we do not.

So if you did claim that one or both of us appeal to authority, you would be wrong.

And our claim that you are appealing to authority is true as we have shown you.

If you disagree, please explain yourself.
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back to islam save your soul forever
written by then lie , February 17, 2012
Surah 1, THE OPENING
1. In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
2. Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds,
3. The Beneficent, the Merciful.
4. Owner of the Day of Judgment,
5. Thee (alone) we worship; Thee alone we ask for help.
6. Show us the straight path,
7. The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not (the path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who
astray.
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Allah(the king of the all Gods/lord) create all
written by then lie , February 17, 2012
Surah 72. Al-Jinn
1. Say (O Muhammad): It is revealed unto me that a company of the Jinn gave ear, and they said: Lo! it is a marvellous
Qur’an,
2. Which guideth unto righteousness, so we believe in it and we ascribe unto our Lord no partner.
3. And (we believe) that He, exalted be the glory of our Lord! hath taken neither wife nor son,
4. And that the foolish one among us used to speak concerning Allah an atrocious lie.
5. And lo! we had supposed that humankind and jinn would not speak a lie concerning Allah
6. And indeed (O Muhammad) individuals of humankind used to invoke the protection of individuals of the jinn so that
they increased them in revolt (against Allah);
7. And indeed they supposed, even as ye suppose, that Allah would not raise anyone (from the dead)
8. And (the Jinn who had listened to the Qur’an said): We had sought the heaven but had found it filled with strong
warders and meteors.
9. And we used to sit on places (high) therein to listen. But he who listened now findeth a flame in wait for him;
10. And we know not whether harm is boded unto all who are in the earth, or whether their Lord intendeth guidance for
them.
11. And among us there are righteous folk and among us there are far from that. We are sects having different rules.
12. And we know that we cannot escape from Allah in the earth, nor can we escape by flight.
13. And when we heard the guidance, we believed therein, and whoso believeth in his Lord, he feareth neither loss nor
oppression.
14. And there are among us some who have surrendered (to Allah) and there are among us some who are unjust. And
whoso hath surrendered to Allah, such have taken the right path purposefully.
15. And as for those who are unjust, they are firewood for hell.
16. If they (the idolaters) tread the right path, We shall give them to drink of water in abundance
17. That We may test them thereby, and whoso turneth away from the remembrance of his Lord; He will thrust him into
ever growing torment.
18. And the places of worship are only for Allah, so pray not unto anyone along with Allah.
19. And when the slave of Allah stood up in prayer to Him, they crowded on him, almost stifling.'
20. Say (unto them, O Muhammad): I pray unto Allah only, and ascribe unto Him no partner.
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written by then lie , February 17, 2012
21. Say: Lo! I control not hurt nor benefit for you.
22. Say: Lo! none can protect me from Allah, nor can I find any refuge beside Him
23. (Mine is) but conveyance (of the truth) from Allah, and His messages; and whoso disobeyeth Allah and His
messenger, lo! his is fire of hell, wherein such dwell forever.
24. Till (the day) when they shall behold that which they are promised (they may doubt); but then they will know for
certain) who is weaker in allies and less in multitude.
25. Say (O Muhammad, unto the disbelievers): I know not whether that which ye are promised is nigh, or if my Lord
hath set a distant term for it.
26. (He is) the knower of the Unseen, and He revealeth unto none His secret,
27. Save unto every messenger whom he hath chosen, and then He maketh a guard to go before him and a guard behind

him
28. That He may know that they have indeed conveyed the messages of their Lord. He surroundeth all their doings, and
He keepeth count of all things.
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Fineliving
written by Muslim & Proud , February 17, 2012
"He beat his wife because he was a tyrant. He beat his wife because he learned it from society."

Thank you for confirming.

So if a muslim beats his wife, it is not necessarily due to 4:34. It is because HE IS A TYRANT AND HAS LEARNT IT FROM SOCIETY.....

Case closed.
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Fineliving
written by Muslim & Proud , February 17, 2012
"The vast majority of muslims never read the Quran, which means they don't know about the wife-beater part."

So the VAST MAJORITY of muslims are therefore NOT WIFE BEATERS. Many thanks for your truth - finally, we got there.

"Furthermore, most muslims do what ever they want to do, rather than explicitly follow what the Quran instructs them to do."

So MOST MUSLIMS ARE NOT wife beaters. Many thanks for the truth.......at last, we are making progress.

"The only muslims that try to follow every instruction of the Quran are the ones that follow the philosophy that we must take the Quran literally and therefore must believe and obey every word of it. These are the extremists, i.e. Islamists."

HALLELUJAH

Have a read through my posts to see what I have been saying about extremists.

It looks like you have finally come to some sense. Well done and have a nice day.

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4:34
written by duh_swami , February 17, 2012
"The fact remains fineliving - if your misinterpretation was true, then every Muslim man would have to be a wife beater - an I know deep down, you know this is not the case."

Another lie...The Quran does not say a husband 'must' beat his wife, it just gives him the option, nor does it stipulate how hard to beat her ,except the Yusuf Ali translation that says 'lightly', which means nothing because it is up to the beater to decide what is 'light'...If 4:34 does not mean 'beat', or 'scourge', as has been translated as such by all translators of merit, then the translators were lying and all versions of Quran that use beat or scourge are wrong...If this verse in Quran is wrong, what about other verses, are they 'wrong' also? Why do Muslims print and distribute Quran's that they know are wrong? Can Allah be happy about that?


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Muslim and Proud
written by Fineliving56's son , February 17, 2012
"Thank you for confirming. So if a muslim beats his wife, it is not necessarily due to 4:34. It is because HE IS A TYRANT AND HAS LEARNT IT FROM SOCIETY..... Case closed."

You are closing the case prematurely. Why do you think people in the Arab societies beat their wives?

Its because its ingrained in their culture, i.e. in the mind's of the Arabs of today. And where did they learn this wife-beating idea from?

From their parents? And where did they learn it from? From their parents. And how far back does it go?

It goes back to pre-Islam. The 6th century Arabs of the desert beat their wives. And Mohamed made it into law [Sharia].

And by making it into law, the idea of wife-beating solidified much stronger than if it wasn't made into law.

Case in point, the West has since learned that the idea of wife-beating is immoral. And with this learning, they put into civil law that wife-beating is a crime.

But Islamic societies over the past 1400 years did not do that. And still to this day, countries like Syria, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, etc. still allow wife-beating as a way for the husband to make his wife obey, i.e. its not a crime to beat your wife.

Can we close this case now?
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Muslim and Proud
written by Fineliving56's son , February 17, 2012
"Have a read through my posts to see what I have been saying about extremists."

What is it that you're saying about extremists?

Are you saying that they are bad only because they are bad people and not because they are following the Quran?
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Fineliving
written by Muslim & Proud , February 17, 2012
"And Mohamed made it into law [Sharia]."

And here it is:

"The best among you are those who are the best to their wives"

You can carry on with your obsession about 4:34.....

"But Islamic societies over the past 1400 years did not do that."

That's because the best among us is the one who is best with his wife........

"And still to this day, countries like Syria, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, etc. still allow wife-beating as a way for the husband to make his wife obey, i.e. its not a crime to beat your wife."

So there are SO MANY disobedient wives then? Sounds like a different problem altogether.

"What is it that you're saying about extremists?

Are you saying that they are bad only because they are bad people and not because they are following the Quran?"

They are extremist because they follow their own EXTREMIST interpretation and not the majority. That's why you will struggle to find any Islamic website which PROMOTES wife beating......duh has failed and so will you.

The fact is fineliving, you have said that the VAST majority of muslims DO NOT read the Holy Qur'an. They are therefore UNAWARE of 4:34. They are therefore NOT beating wives due to Islam.......once again, thanks for providing your truth.

You have also refuted Duh because in his fantasy world, all muslims are terrorists due to the Holy Qur'an. Thanks for refuting your ex-muslim favour - you have now repaid the favour (since he refuted you a few days ago)
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To Muslim and Proud
written by Yibel , February 17, 2012
Do you know what HALLELUJAH means? It means "Praise Yah" Yah is YHVH the God (Eloah) of the Jews, the Christians, Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Aaron, Miriam, Ezekiel (Dhul-Kifl), Elias (Elijah), Elisha, David, Isa (Jesus/Yah'shua), etc. All these people that Muhammad named in his Qur'an were followers of the one true God YHVH, and not the alter ego (Allah/Ar-Rahman/Marduk/ etc.) of the 7th century desert scumbag who made himself an emir and gave himself the title of Muhammad.

So, thank you for praising the correct God!
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Surah 1, AL-FATIAH (The Opening) CORRECT TRANSLATION
written by Yibel , February 17, 2012
1. In the name of THE Allah: AR-RAHMAN, AR-RAHEEM
2. Praise be to THE Allah MARDUK Lord of the Worlds,
3. AR-RAHMAN, AR-RAHEEM
4. (MARDUK) Owner of the Day of Judgment,
5. Thee (ALL 99 OF YOU) we (THE UMMAH) worship; Thee we (THE UMMAH) ask for help.
6. Show us the straight path (JIHAD),
7. The path of those whom Thou hast favoured (THE MUSLIMS);
Not (the path) of those who earn Thine anger (THE JEWS)
nor of those who astray (THE CHRISTIANS).

Fataha means to open, grant, explain, disclose, to make victorious or let out. The name of first surah of the Quran, al-Fatiha, is based on the root word fataha. Fataha means to open, grant, explain, disclose, to make victorious or let out, and is generally translated as The Opener, or The Opening. The Arabic word miftâhî, translated as key, means that which opens or unlocks, is also based on this same root.

In his book, "Al-Maqsad Al-Asna fi Sharah Asma' Allahu al-Husna" (aka The best means in explaining Allah's Beautiful Names), Imam Al Ghazali translates Al Fattah as "He Who Opens all things". He goes on to explain that "He is the One by Whose Concern everything that is closed is opened, and (The One) by Whose guidance everything that is obscure is made manifest. At times He causes kingdoms to be opened (i.e, conquered) for His prophets, and He takes them out of the hands of His enemies..." Imam Al Ghazzali then quotes a few verses from the Quran to elaborate on this meaning. For example, he uses verse 48:1, "Lo! We have given thee, (O Muhammad), a signal victory (literally, opening)..." It is interesting to note that Imam Al Ghazzali chose to say that Allah causes kingdoms to be opened (i.e, conquered) for His prophets. The first ayat of Surah An-Nasr (Help) 110 states: "When there comes the Help of Allah and the 'fat-ha'" (which some have translated into victory). This Surah was revealed referring to the Conquest of Mecca when the people of Makkah surrendered to the Muslims, a great victory for Islam.
MUHAMMAD/Allah regards Himself as "Al Fattah" in verse 34:26 of the Quran. MUHAMMAD paired this GOD with "Al Alim", The All Knowing.
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Yibel
written by Muslim and proud , February 17, 2012
Libel,

Thank you for correcting me (re hallelujah)

I retract what I said and replace it with

Al-Hamdu-lillah

Thanks again, much appreciated
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Amazing, probably a first...
written by duh_swami , February 17, 2012
A Muslim thanks a kuffar for correcting him...What's this world come to?
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Libel - clever?
written by Muslim and proud , February 17, 2012
Not that clever after all - here is the link that you forgot to mention.

Cut and paster eh.......you got busted

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Fattah
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duh_swami - Whats the world come to?
written by Fineliving56's son , February 17, 2012
"A Muslim thanks a kuffar for correcting him...What's this world come to?"

It means we're moving forward. :)
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Finelivings son
written by Muslim and proud , February 17, 2012
If I was unable to thank a human being, how could I possibly start to thank the Almighty Allah (the exalted).....?
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ISLAM is hoax and so is christianity
written by shahid-kafir , February 17, 2012
Spiritual journey is onerous, hard and takes long time for self realization. years,decades and perhaps life time !!!! But both ISLAM and christianity as imposed, dogmatic , organized , fascist, totalitarian, proselytizing - arrogated to themselves ( with self serving declarations ) , that their way is superior - all others are sinners , not worthy of living on this earth !!! Result was JIHADS and crusades. Millions of innocent,ignorant,illiterate, impoverished were put to death and the rivers of blood soaked the earth.
The origin and birth of ISLAM was/is a cataclysmic tragedy in the annals of human history.
It is time to eradicate first ISLAM as the most cruel, evil, hate filled, bigoted theology full of blood thirstyness and violence, followed by christianity. Both ISLAMIC GOD (preislamic MOON GOD) ALLA and old testament God are evil , enjoying by putting people in hell fire eternally since they dont believe in them .
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Muslim and Proud
written by Fineliving56's son , February 17, 2012
"If I was unable to thank a human being, how could I possibly start to thank the Almighty Allah (the exalted).....?"

Why do you believe that Allah exists?
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misunderstanding of Quran
written by fineliving56 , February 17, 2012
Muslim Suicide attempted attack on the capital …

another Muslim who is having problem understanding Quran … lately …it seems almost every day another Muslim is caught red handed trying to kill randomly

Tsk… tsk … someone should spread the word that Quran does not promote killing of Kufars …. …

I say WI Muslim visitors Muslim and rzq, should find the extremist and sit down with them for a nice chat and maybe be reason with them and tell them … they had all wrong after all

guys … you never know … it might work

best of luck

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Fineliving
written by Muslim & Proud , February 17, 2012
Fineliving

"Why do you believe that Allah exists?"

Absolutely - 100%. With all due respect, that was a profoundly stupid question to ask a muslim.

"someone should spread the word that Quran does not promote killing of Kufars …. …"

Each and every (legal) cigarette packet that is sold, ANYWHERE in the world, includes on it, some form of warning regarding the risk to health.

Does it stop people smoking.................?

Each and every developed town / city in the world will have speed limits and will also educate people about the dangers of speeding.

Does it stop people speeding................?

Safe sex is promoted all over the world.

Does it stop people taking risks.............?

I can continue with a long list. I don't want to insult your intelligence by asking....do you catch my drift?

"should find the extremist and sit down with them for a nice chat and maybe be reason with them and tell them … they had all wrong after all"

So easy, right?

Maybe the west should try it with the Taliban and see how far they get!

Islam and those muslims who are not extremists will continue to condemn terrorism, wife beating, forced marriages, cruelty etc etc
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written by Fineliving56's son , February 17, 2012
I said: "Why do you believe that Allah exists?"

And you replied: "Absolutely - 100%. With all due respect, that was a profoundly stupid question to ask a muslim."

Uh.. You didn't answer my question. So you think my question is stupid but you replied with a stupid answer.

I asked you *why* not *whether or not*. So I'll ask again.

Why do you believe that Allah exists?
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ISLAM is CRIMINAL, ISLAM is uncivilized, ISLAM is primitive, ISLAM is toxic ,virulent
written by shahid-kafir , February 17, 2012
Oye M & P :: You make yourself laughing stock . U dont know what you write, U dont know ,what is spirituality . U dont know the purpose of life . U dont know how a good human being must conduct. U dont know what is peace, love, bliss, . U dont know the purpose of religion. U dont know honesty, truth . U dont believe in facts. U dont have conscience . U dont have integrity . When you are devoid of all the things necessary to be a good human being - then it is perfectly fitting that YOU must be a Moslem or muslim . Add to the above - very characteristics of ISLAM , that is cruelty, evil, bigotry, hate , discrimination, dogma , criminal mind , violence - then you are a perfect licensed Moslem ( from ALLA/ MO , stamped with QQUURRAAN !!). Everything is free for you.
You dont need any meaning in what you write !! becoz You are a Moslem , sanctified by that monster MO !!
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Muslim and Proud - Constructive criticism
written by Fineliving56's son , February 17, 2012
"Kuffar is plural you fool."

Please refrain from making personal attacks. It hinders discussion.

Please also refrain from correction grammatical mistakes. They are not important.

What is important is logic.
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written by Fineliving56's son , February 17, 2012
"that is right ….seven stomachs according to Sahih Muslim related by Muhammad. According to your brothers Duh an Machmoed the liar, not a single Hadith can be trusted by ex Muslims. Well done, again"

Please don't dodge my questions. Its makes discussion more difficult. Do you deny X or Y?

X is the idea that all Hadith is truth.

Y is the Hadith that said something to the effect of "The believer eats 1 stomach and the infidel eats 7 stomachs."

Which one do you deny? Or do consider both to be true? If so, then you are not experiencing cognitive dissonance and instead you are experiencing doublethink. So which is it?
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Muslim and Proud - Prophet Muhammad is the best of creation
written by Fineliving56's son , February 18, 2012
"Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is the best of creation and the beloved Prophet."

It seems I must explain Philosophy 101 again.

If a person believes two concepts X and Y to be true, and X and Y contradict each other, then one of two cases is true. Either,

(1) the person doesn't realize that X and Y are contradictory, in which case we call this doublethink, or

(2) the person does realize that X and Y are contradictory, in which case we call this cognitive dissonance.

Now I'll apply this philosophy to a real situation. The person is you.

X is the idea that "Prophet Muhammad is the best of creation".

Y is the fact that Prophet Mohammad married a 9 year old.

Now I'm going to take a guess that you in fact do believe that Y is true. And you've clearly stated that you believe X to be true.

And X and Y clearly contradict each other. And I think you are not aware of this. So you are either experiencing doublethink.

So what is it going to take for me to convince you that X and Y contradict each other?
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Muslim and Proud - Moderate muslims should but don't condemn terrorism
written by Fineliving56's son , February 18, 2012
"Islam and those muslims who are not extremists will continue to condemn terrorism, wife beating, forced marriages, cruelty etc etc."

That is one of the problems. Most moderate muslims don't condemn terrorism. They privately condone it. And they publicly say nothing.

The question is: Why do they do this?
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Muslim and Proud - Why would Allah need your thanks?
written by Fineliving56's son , February 18, 2012
"If I was unable to thank a human being, how could I possibly start to thank the Almighty Allah (the exalted).....?"

I'm curious. Why do you think that you should thank Allah? Why would Allah need your thanks?

Is it (1) your own philosophy, or (2) that you were instructed by the Quran or Hadith?

If (1), please explain your philosophy of why you think you need to thank Allah.

If (2), why do you think you need to be able to thank a human being before being able to thank Allah? Is that part of the instruction?

BTW, why do you believe that Allah exists?
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2 P&moron
written by Machmoed , February 18, 2012
Do you know why hadith cannot be trusted my moronic friend? because islam cannot be trusted. They are fake, like you are!
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Finelivings son
written by rzq , February 18, 2012
"X is the idea that "Prophet Muhammad is the best of creation". Fact
"Y is the fact that Prophet Mohammad married a 9 year old." Not A FACT.
What was your point??? :-)

"That is one of the problems. Most moderate muslims don't condemn terrorism. They privately condone it. And they publicly say nothing."
That Is a really broad statement and borderline bigoted! Why wouldn't they speak out? They have a tiny platform compared to the extremists. Just because you don't hear doesn't actually make it true!

"I'm curious. Why do you think that you should thank Allah? Why would Allah need your thanks?"
As the created why should I not thank my creator for the mercies he bestows upon me everyday? Which of the favours of your lord is it you deny????
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Fineliving
written by Muslim & Proud , February 18, 2012
I believe Rzq has provided a response to your silly questions....

I stand by the response provided by Rzq.
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Mohammad flunked out in the 'Best Of' contest
written by duh_swami , February 18, 2012
"X is the idea that "Prophet Muhammad is the best of creation". Fact
"Y is the fact that Prophet Mohammad married a 9 year old." Not A FACT.
What was your point???

The 'fact' is that all these 'facts' came from Islamic literature which has proven itself to be short on 'facts'...The fact is, if you can believe hadith, particularly Aisha's, that she was SIX, not NINE at marriage...He raped her when she was NINE and that is a fact if you believe her story...Further, if you believe her story, he molested her by 'thighing' prior to that...If you don't believe her story, you are an apostate, which is fine with me...
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Duh
written by Muslim and proud , February 18, 2012
Not a single Hadith can be trusted according to you - now that's a fact my friend.

Therefore every accusation you make, using te Hadith as your source, is a testament to the fact that you are not skilled with understanding the facts before making any statement, which in turn proves the fact that you are indeed a complete loser.

Ps. The fact that you said 'I BELIEVE THE QUR'AN is itself proof that you are completely all over the place.......my friend
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Muslim and Proud & rzq - Prophet Mohammad married a 9 year old
written by Fineliving56's son , February 18, 2012
I said: "Y is the fact that Prophet Mohammad married a 9 year old."

You said: "Not A FACT. What was your point?"

According to Muslim and Proud, he believes that it is a fact. Why? Because he said that he believes all Hadith that are categorized as authentic are true. And what is categorized as authentic is Sahah Muslim and Bukhari.

Sahih Muslim 14:9:805 - "Aisha said: Mohamed married me when I was 6 and he consummated the marriage when I was 9. [snip]"

My point is this. If a person believes two concepts X and Y to be true, and X and Y contradict each other, then one of two cases is true. Either,

(1) the person doesn't realize that X and Y are contradictory, in which case we call this doublethink, or

(2) the person does realize that X and Y are contradictory, in which case we call this cognitive dissonance.

Now I'll apply this philosophy to a real situation. The person is you.

X is the idea that all Hadith that is categorized as authentic is true. And this includes Sahih Muslim.

Y is Sahih Muslim 14:9:805 - "Aisha said: Mohamed married me when I was 6 and he consummated the marriage when I was 9. [snip]"

And you've said that Y is false. Which means that in your mind, X and Y contradict each other.

So which is the case? Are you experiencing (1) doublethink or (2) cognitive dissonance?

I'll remind you that if you are experiencing (2), then you'll deny Y. In which case, please go read Sahih Muslim 14:9:805 and explain to me your position.

Note that you can choose a 3rd option which is to deny X. This would mean that you are open-minded.
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Duh
written by Machmoed , February 18, 2012
There is no dialogue possible with this thug. He admittes the whole time that hadith cannot be trusted, yet he sais he believes in authentic hadith. It's a MORON to the core. He denies his own brothers by admitting hadith cannot be trusted.
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Machmoed -
written by Fineliving56's son , February 18, 2012
"There is no dialogue possible with this thug. He admittes the whole time that hadith cannot be trusted, yet he sais he believes in authentic hadith. It's a MORON to the core. He denies his own brothers by admitting hadith cannot be trusted."

Well I recall that Muslim&Proud has only said that *you* believe that Hadith can not be trusted. He hasn't claimed that he believes your claim.

Or am I mistaken?

Muslim&Proud. Can you clarify your position?
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2 finelivings56 son
written by Machmoed , February 18, 2012
Well, if he uses an opinion of others to be an authority, i could do the same, don't you think. So i'm saying he admits hadith can not be trusted since he uses it as an answer. It is fair logic don't you think.
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Machmoed
written by Fineliving56's son , February 18, 2012
"Well, if he uses an opinion of others to be an authority, i could do the same, don't you think. So i'm saying he admits hadith can not be trusted since he uses it as an answer. It is fair logic don't you think."

I might not understand what you mean. So I'll rephrase your statement:

- If he thinks illogically in a specific way, then its right for me to reuse his bad logic in that same way.

If that's what you mean, then I disagree.

Instead, I think we should all stand our ground in logical thinking and this will help him model his thinking to our rational thinking. This is how humans learn. They model after others. Let him model us, instead of us modeling him.

Thanks
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Machmoed
written by duh_swami , February 18, 2012
I gave up on him...There is no there, there...We need uncle Reed to explain to these boys how they have everything wrong...Even Malman could do it since he doesn't believe in hadith or sharia...Haha, where are these Muslims when we need them?...
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Machmoed - The Liar
written by Muslim & Proud , February 18, 2012
"He admittes the whole time that hadith cannot be trusted"

For the record (and as I have said before) - I regard all Authentic Hadith to be facts.

It is you Mr Liar, who categorically stated that "not a single Hadith can be trusted". Allow me to remind you:

"My friend, you have to be mistaken about the authenticity of hadith and the qur'an. Hadith dates 200 till 350 years after the mentioned events and not a single hadith can be trusted since isnad found to be fictive."

And here is the link Mr Liar:

http://islam-watch.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=913:the-10-most-diabolical-teachings-in-human-history&catid=138:jake-neuman&Itemid=58

Feb 13th.

Unlucky Mr Liar.
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Muslim and Proud - Proof that Mr Khan is a liar?
written by Fineliving56's son , February 18, 2012
You wrote: "For the record (and as I have said before) - I regard all Authentic Hadith to be facts.

Mr Khan wrote: "My friend, you have to be mistaken about the authenticity of hadith and the qur'an. Hadith dates 200 till 350 years after the mentioned events and not a single hadith can be trusted since isnad found to be fictive."

I'm still confused about why you think Mr Khan is a liar.

Here you've simply stated that Mr Khan says that no Hadith can be trusted. This is not an explanation of your assertion that Mr Khan is a liar.

Please help me understand your position.
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delerium
written by duh_swami , February 18, 2012
I guess prayer time must be over...The worn out Allah warrior has returned...Still worn out...There just is no restorative properties to Islamic prayer...
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Reed wilson
written by fineliving56 , February 18, 2012
Hello ….

I am glad you are, all right …and I hope that health problems was not the reason for you absences ...

I like to invite you back to refute the new Muslim visitors who are not only, they believe Quran as the ultimate truth but they believe the authentic hadeeth and sirah which is written by Bukari and Sahih Muslim , also as ultimate truth, muslims should fallow religiously .

I think … you as a fallow Muslim, they might listen to you and refrain from calling you names … like liars ...as they are doing to us ex and non Muslims

thanks

I am glad you were all right …

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72 Al-Jinn
written by Yibel , February 18, 2012
The origin of the jinn is rooted in pre-Islamic Arab societies. Pagan Arabs believed jinn to be demon-like creatures and considered them to be lower in ranking than angels, or even lesser deities. The Arabic word jinn comes from the root J-N-N which means “concealed or hidden,” and is similar to the Arabic verb janna "to conceal, hide.” The Jinn are so called because they conceal themselves from people’s sight. The jinn eat and drink, they marry, have children and die.

"We created man from dried (sounding) clay of altered mud. And the jinn, We
created aforetime from the smokeless flame of fire." (Quran 15:26-27)

According to the Qur'an, Allah created angels, jinn and humankind for no other purpose then to worship Him - or to go to Hell.

“I did not create the Jinn and mankind except to worship Me.” (Quran 51:56)

“And surely, We have created many of the jinn and mankind for Hell. They have hearts wherewith they understand not, and they have eyes wherewith they see not, and they have ears wherewith they hear not (the Qur'an).” (Quran 7:179)

Islamic scholar Ibn Abd al Barr said the jinn have several names and are of various
types: In general, they are called jinn; a jinn who lives among people (a haunter or
dweller) is called Aamir, and if it is the type of jinn that attaches itself to a child it is called Arwaah. An evil jinn is often called Shaytaan (devil), when they are more than evil, demonic, they are called Maarid, and the most evil and strong jinn are called Ifreet (plural afaareet). In the traditions of Muhammad, the jinn are divided into three classes: those who have wings and fly in the air, those who resemble snakes and dogs, and those who travel about endlessly.

Among the jinn are those who believe in the Qur'an and there are those who do not:
“Say (O’ Muhammad): It has been revealed to me that a group of Jinn listened and said; ‘Indeed we have heard a marvelous Quran. It guides unto righteousness so we have believed in it, and we will never make partners with our Lord.” (Quran 72: 1-2)

The Qur'an says that the jinn will be present with humankind on the Day of Resurrection and Allah will address them both:

“O you assembly of jinn and humankind! “Did not there come to you Messengers from amongst you, reciting unto you My Verses and warning you of the meeting of this Day of yours?” They will say, “We bear witness against ourselves.” (Q. 6:130)

Islamic theology differs from Christian theology, since in Islam Iblis or Shaytaan aka Satan/Lucifer) was always considered a jinn (not an angel), but one who rose to the ranks of angels due to his good deeds, but eventually fell from grace due to his refusal to bow down and worship Allah's newest creation - man. (Q. 2:32-38)

In Christian theology, demons are angels who have been thrown out of Heaven, the most famous being Lucifer, and they are exclusively evil. There is no such thing as jinn, beings created from smokeless fire, in the Bible.
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Finelivings Son
written by Muslim & Proud , February 18, 2012
You need to keep up son.

Machmoed (and NOT MR KHAN lol) said: He admittes the whole time that hadith cannot be trusted, yet he sais he believes in authentic hadith.

Nowhere have I ever said this - feel free to check.

It was Machmoed who claimed he never said "you cannot trust a single Hadith".

As I have proven, it is there in black and white.

I 'could' be wrong, but this is a blatant lie - hence.

I hope you are not confused.
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Muslim and Proud - Assertions and their associated explanations
written by Fineliving56's son , February 18, 2012
"I hope you are not confused."

I'm even more confused now. I don't understand your explanation of your assertion.

You asserted that someone is a liar. And I don't understand your explanation.

Please omit useless words. Just stick to the logic. This way I'm more likely to understand you.

Please follow my lead. Notice how I don't use extra sentences that don't add value to my argument.
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Finelivings Son
written by Muslim & Proud , February 18, 2012
You've lost track son - completely.

Machmoed knows exactly what I'm talking about - hence the silence.

He probably does not need a lawyer, so you might as well do yourself a favour and stay out of it ;-)
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@rzq - Moderate muslims condone terrorism
written by Fineliving56's son , February 18, 2012
I said: "That is one of the problems. Most moderate muslims don't condemn terrorism. They privately condone it. And they publicly say nothing."

You said: "That Is a really broad statement and borderline bigoted! Why wouldn't they speak out? They have a tiny platform compared to the extremists. Just because you don't hear doesn't actually make it true!"

Yes it is a broad statement. So what? And why is it bigoted?

I spoke to muslims myself. I was a muslim. So I spoke to them when they considered me as one of them. So I heard their honest thoughts. Of the ones I spoke to about terrorism, most of them did condone terrorism.

You might not know any muslims like this, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.
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@rzq - Why thank Allah?
written by Fineliving56's son , February 18, 2012
I wrote: "I'm curious. Why do you think that you should thank Allah? Why would Allah need your thanks?"

rzq wrote: "As the created why should I not thank my creator for the mercies he bestows upon me everyday? Which of the favours of your lord is it you deny?"

I don't understand. You thank him because

(a) you think he needs or wants it

(b) you think he deserves your thanks

(c) you think that if you thank him he'll reward you

(d) other:____________________________

(e) a combination of above

...

So why do you assume that I believe a god exists? And why do you assume that Allah exists?
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2 Moron muslim
written by Machmoed , February 19, 2012
I never said that i didn't write hadith cannot be trusted moron. It's not just my claim, Goldziher and schacht concluded this long time ago, experts on islamology and today even muslimwebsites dicard the whole hadith as to be trustworthy. Read this moron from your own brothers.

Total number of traditions in 9 volumns of Bukhari are 7,000 plus. The number of hadiths collected and attributed to Prophet Muhammed (S) is in the hundreds of
thousands, approximately 700,000. And 99% of all these hundreds of thousands of hadiths are pure lies and fabrications which were rejected by the early Muslim scholars who thought they could figure out which hadith was authentic and which wasn't. Let us look at some of the other hadith collectors and what they collected.

(1) Malik bin Anas collected about 500 hadiths in his famous book, "Al-Muwattaa."

(2) Ahmed Ibn Hanbal, collected about 40,000 hadiths in his famous "Musnad". He chose these 40,000 hadiths from among 700,000 hadiths. In other words he thought 660,000 ahadith were un-proven lies and/or fabrications. That is, 94% lies and fabrications.

(3) Bukhari collected more than 600,000 hadiths and accepted 7,275 hadiths and considered 592,725 hadiths to be un-proven hadiths, lies and/or fabrications, that is almost 99% of what he collected.

(4)Muslem collected 300,000 hadiths and accepted only 4,000. He rejected about 296,000 which is almost 99% of his collected hadiths.

This should give an idea of how much corruption entered or tried to enter Islam from the back door.

Now we should understand why God promised to preserve, protect and safeguard His Book which is the ONLY authentic Hadith, the ONLY acceptable Hadith, the BEST HADITH - the Noble Quran. NO such guarantee was offered to the fabrications and lies of the fabricators and liars who claimed to 'improve' on the Book of Allah by 'explaining' it and called the Quran incomplete and undetailed and claimed that the Quran needs clarification by another book.

The Jews, more than a hundred year after Prophet Moses' death created Mishnah (hadith or narrations) and Gemarrah (sunna or actions). The Jews upheld these and the invented laws within them rather than the TORAH, the revealed Word of God Almighty.

The Muslims, 150 to 200 years after the death of Prophet Muhammed (S), CREATED another source of their religion alongside the Noble Quran, the "Hadith & Sunnah" falsely attributed to the Prophet Muhammed in defiance of the Quran. Today most Muslims have discarded the Quran in favor of the Hadith & Sunnah.
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Machmoed - The Liar
written by Muslim & Proud , February 19, 2012
You sound like a submitter..............

The Authentic Hadith is a fundamental part of Islam. In any case, you are not a muslim so why are you still trying to convince yourself?
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Proud2bMoron
written by Machmoed , February 19, 2012
Sure pumpkin, tell that to your muslim brothers who think you're a LIAR. Fundamental part of islam? only to some sects Moron.

I was convinced since the age of 6. I warn others for muslims like you. Wolf in sheepclothing. This is what this site is for my moronic friend. Yes i submitt to the notion that hadith cannot be trusted as the qur'an being the litterally word of Allah also. I thought this was obvious. Authentic hadith...you mean hadith almutawattir? Proof their authenticity Moron.

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@M&P: Why exmuslims still talk about islam
written by Fineliving56's son , February 19, 2012
M&P wrote: "In any case, you are not a muslim so why are you still trying to convince yourself?"

I've already told you why we still talk. But you didn't reply. So I assumed that you understood. But clearly you did not understand. We are here to rid your mind of Islam. Why do we care? Because we don't want you to infect your children with it. Why do we care? Because Islam is harmful. I'll present you with some reasoning that you haven't yet seen on this site.

Islam is a meme-complex. A meme is an *idea* that passes from one person to another by learning. A meme-complex is a group of memes that go together; an example is a religion.

Some memes are irrational memes, i.e. they were learned while the subject was thinking irrationally. These are common, even for atheists. Why? Because humans are fallible.

Some memes are anti-rational memes. An anti-rational meme *cause* the subject to not think about itself.

An example is the idea: *don't question Allah or you will go to hell*. This meme prevents the subject from thinking about itself. So it works to prevent the subject from removing it [i.e. unlearning it].

You've said it yourself. You said you are open-minded to everything except you are close-minded to Sharia. You do not question Sharia. You do not question *why you believe Allah exists*? You do not question *why you are a muslim*. I've asked you these questions and you haven't replied. Why not? Because those memes are anti-rational, i.e. you are not thinking rationally [or at all] about them.

So. Are you ready to be open-minded to this? Are you ready to question what you have refused to question your entire life? Are you ready to question this anti-rational meme?
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isa the prophet son of mary9maryam)
written by then lie , February 19, 2012
the holy Quran say isa (prophet) son of mary is only messeger of Allah and before him some prophet like moses, noah, jonah etc.he is only man, eat,drink,sleep. tired.after him Allah send Muhammad as the last messenger.arab an israil are family
arab from ismaeel and israel from ishak they son abraham(ibrahim)
2:87. Dan sesungguhnya Kami telah mendatangkan Al Kitab (Taurat) kepada Musa, dan Kami telah menyusulinya (berturut-turut) sesudah itu dengan rasul-rasul, dan telah Kami berikan bukti-bukti kebenaran (mukjizat) kepada `Isa putra Maryam dan Kami memperkuatnya dengan Ruhul-Qudus. Apakah setiap datang kepadamu seorang rasul membawa sesuatu (pelajaran) yang tidak sesuai dengan keinginanmu lalu kamu angkuh; maka beberapa orang (di antara mereka) kamu dustakan dan beberapa orang (yang lain) kamu bunuh?
87. And verily We gave unto Moses the Scripture and We caused a train of messengers to follow after him, and We
gave unto Jesus, son of Mary, clear proofs (of Allah's sovereignty), and We supported him with the holy Spirit is it ever
so, that, when there cometh unto you a messenger (from Allah) with that which ye yourselves desire not, ye grow
arrogant, and some ye disbelieve and some ye slay?
88. And they say: Our hearts are hardened. Nay, but Allah hath cursed them for their unbelief. Little is that which they
believ
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Prophet Muhammad from paran the last messenger of Allah
written by then lie , February 19, 2012
arab and israil are sister from paran mountain(arabia)
written by then lie, February 19, 2012
Genesis 25
7) Abraham mencapai umur seratus tujuh puluh lima tahun, .

(7) The days of Abraham's life were 175 years.
(8) lalu ia meninggal. Ia mati pada waktu telah putih rambutnya, tua dan suntuk umur, maka ia dikumpulkan kepada kaum leluhurnya.
(8) Then Abraham's spirit was released, and he died at a good (ample, full) old age, an old man, satisfied and satiated, and was gathered to his people.
(9) Dan anak-anaknya, Ishak dan Ismael, menguburkan dia dalam gua Makhpela, di padang Efron bin Zohar, orang Het itu, padang yang letaknya di sebelah timur Mamre, (9) Ia dikuburkan oleh anak-anaknya, yaitu Ishak dan Ismael, di Gua Makhpela yang terletak di ladang sebelah timur Mamre. Dahulu ladang itu milik Efron anak Zohar, orang Het, (9) And his sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah, in the field of Ephron the son of Zohar the Hittite, which is east of Mamre,

(13) Ismael mempunyai dua belas anak yang disebutkan di sini menurut urutan lahirnya: Nebayot, Kedar, Adbeel, Mibsam, Misyma, Duma, Masa, Hadad, Tema, Yetur, Nafis dan Kedma. Anak-anak itu menjadi bapak leluhur dua belas suku bangsa, dan desa dan perkemahan mereka disebut menurut nama-nama mereka.

13) These are the names of the sons of Ishmael, named in the order of their births: Nebaioth, the firstborn of Ishmael, and Kedar, Adbeel, Mibsam,
(14) Mishma, Dumah, Massa,
(15) Hadad, Tema, Jetur, Naphish, and Kedemah.
they live in paran mountain(arabia)
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@M&P: Authentic Hadith as fundamental part of Islam
written by Fineliving56's son , February 19, 2012
M&P wrote: "The Authentic Hadith is a fundamental part of Islam. In any case, you are not a muslim so why are you still trying to convince yourself?"

This is more evidence that the Islam meme is anti-rational.

I showed you some authentic Hadith's that are clearly false. And you didn't reply. Why not? Because you are close-minded to this.

Are you ready to question the validity of Islam? Or will you continue to turn your brain off to this issue?
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Fineliving56's son
written by duh_swami , February 19, 2012
You are very good with knowledge, reason and logic, but I'm not sure you can get your seeds ideas to germinate on barren rock...But I applaud your efforts to try...
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@duh_swami: Do people change?
written by Fineliving56's son , February 19, 2012
duh_swami wrote: "You are very good with knowledge, reason and logic, but I'm not sure you can get your seeds ideas to germinate on barren rock...But I applaud your efforts to try..."

Well I don't necessarily expect them to change today, or tomorrow, or even anytime soon. I do expect though that one day something will happen in their lives that causes them to question Islam. And when that day comes, they will remember my words. And I think it will help them unlearn that stuff.
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@duh_swami: Why I'm here
written by Fineliving56's son , February 19, 2012
I'm been discussing philosophy and all sorts of subjects on 5 philosophy discussion email lists since December of 2011. We've been discussing all fields of knowledge. Epistemology, philosophy, morality, human relationships, parenting, education, business, politics, scientism, dieting, religion, meme theory, physics, chemistry, biology, and many more that don't pop in my mind right now.

On these discussion email lists we learn from each other. And we do it by persuading each other. I've learned a lot about how to persuade people. And now I'm ready to apply these skills to tackle Islam.

In the past few days I've already learned a lot about the mind of a muslim. I was a bit shocked though because they think very differently than I did when I was a muslim. I was very much willing to question why I believed that Allah existed. By their own admission, Rcq and M&P don't do this. Fortunately for me I was open-minded to the foundations of Islam.

Rcq and M&P are not *yet* open-minded to it.
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Fineliving56's son
written by duh_swami , February 19, 2012
Those are all fine subjects with which to have a well rounded knowledge base...I have a slightly different view because I worked in a mental hospital for a long time, and there it is behavior that is dealt with, not so much a diagnosis...But the intellectual wisdom approach is also dealing with the causative factor...A fragmented mentality open to violence...All these approaches are valid for dispelling myths and healing a fractured mind. When it comes to the fractured minds of Muslims, the goal is to create apostates...
Picture a bicycle wheel with a hub and spokes...The hub is the desire to create apostates, and each spoke is a separate method but all with the same goal...To create stability and balance...The two things an Islamic mind is short of...
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@duh_swami: Why I'm here
written by Fineliving56's son , February 19, 2012
We study psychiatry, psychology, and medicine too.

Thomas Szasz is the best thinker in this field. [He's not on our discussion lists though.]
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Finelivings Son
written by Muslim & Proud , February 19, 2012
"Because we don't want you to infect your children with it. Why do we care? Because Islam is harmful. I'll present you with some reasoning that you haven't yet seen on this site."

Islam is the best cure for all diseases.........and it is the best thing that could be passed on to my children, who will pass onto theirs, who will pass onto theirs.......

"You've said it yourself. You said you are open-minded to everything except you are close-minded to Sharia. You do not question Sharia. You do not question *why you believe Allah exists*? You do not question *why you are a muslim*. I've asked you these questions and you haven't replied. Why not? Because those memes are anti-rational, i.e. you are not thinking rationally [or at all] about them."

I am absolutely open minded, within the boundary of Islam (Shariah).

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Duh - Mental?
written by Muslim & Proud , February 19, 2012
"I have a slightly different view because I worked in a mental hospital for a long time"

That explains everything.
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written by rzq , February 19, 2012
@ duh and finelivingson

Get a room! My stomach is churning!
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irz
written by duh_swami , February 19, 2012


Get a room! My stomach is churning!

Do I detect a tinge of jealousy? Are you confused about your sexual identity?










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written by Fineliving56's son , February 19, 2012
M&P wrote: "I am absolutely open minded, within the boundary of Islam (Shariah)."

That statement is fallacious.

To be absolutely open-minded means to be open-minded about *everything*.

BTW, the only way to be absolutely open-minded is to have zero anti-rational memes.

Open-minded means to be open to change one's mind.

You are currently unwilling to change your mind about Islam, therefore you care close-minded with respect to Islam.

You still have answered my question. Why do you think that Allah exists?
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@M&P: Islam cures diseases
written by Fineliving56's son , February 19, 2012
M&P wrote: "Islam is the best cure for all diseases."

What diseases does it cure?
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Gen 25 location of Mt. Paran
written by Yibel , February 19, 2012
The Paran Mountain mentioned in Genesis 25 is located in southern Israel, in the Seir region, NOT in Arabia. This land was called Edom, after Esau (son of Isaac and brother of Israel/Jacob) who also lived in this region. Esau took wives from the daughters of Canaan and one of them, Adah, bore Eliphaz. Eliphaz by his concubine Timna (the sister of Lotan, a Horite) bore Amalek. Amalek's descendants, the Amalekites, became a nation of slavers, murders, and caravan robbers.

This area was also known as the Wilderness of Sin - a moon god of the Assyrians - because of the moon worshipping cults of the descedants of Esau and Ishmael. Along with Sin, Hubal, Dushara (the high god, possibly Marduk), and Hadad (the Syrian name for the storm god Rahman/Raheem of the Qur'an) were just a few of the local gods. The three daughters of Sin/Nanna, the three cranes, Allat, Manat, Uzza, were also worshipped in this region.

Muhammad mentioned these three goddesses in his Qur'an in the Satanic Verses which he later removed:

It's narrated that once there was an ayat where three former Makkan goddesses, Al-Lat, Al-'Uzza and Manat, were mentioned as intermediaries. In surah 53, verses:

19 Have you though of Al-Lat and Al-'Uzza,
20 and Manat, the third of the?
21 These are intermediaries exalted whose intercession is to be hoped for.
22 Such as they do not forget

These ayats are not in the present Qur'an. This text now reads

21 Is it the male for you, and female for him?
22 That would have been a crooked division!

Muhammad removed the verses claiming that he had been tricked by Iblis (Shaitan) into putting these into the Qur'an. Somehow, a being made from smokeless fire appeared to him and spoke like the apparition Jibril, and FOOLED the perfect man!
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@rzq: Get a room! My stomach is churning!
written by Fineliving56's son , February 19, 2012
I'm confused. What words did duh_swami and I exchange that led you to saying "get a room" and "my stomach is churning"?

Are you saying that we said something sexual? If so, your mind is in the gutter. If not, then what?
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Finelivings Son
written by Muslim & Proud , February 20, 2012
"Open-minded means to be open to change one's mind.

You are currently unwilling to change your mind about Islam, therefore you care close-minded with respect to Islam."

Have a read of what you said son.

"OPEN-MINDED MEANS TO BE OPEN TO CHANGE ONES MIND"

If a muslim brother or sister informs during prayer that I am not prostrating correctly and they provide justification and I subsequently accept their explanation and change the way I prostrate, I AM OPEN MINDED........WITHIN THE BOUNDARY OF SHARIAH.

"You still have answered my question. Why do you think that Allah exists?"

I believe the Holy Qur'an to be the words of Allah (the exalted), without the SLIGHTEST doubt whatsoever.

"Say: 'Praise be to Allah, and peace be upon his slaves whom he has chosen. Is Allah best, or all that they ascribe as partners (with him)? Isn't he the best who created the heavens and the earth and sends down for you water from the sky wherewith we cause to grow joyous gardens, whose trees you can never cause to grow. Is there any god beside Allah?'
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Finelivings Son
written by Muslim & Proud , February 20, 2012
"Are you saying that we said something sexual? If so, your mind is in the gutter."

On a seperate note.

Duh Swami quite often refers to pornography, therefore according to you, his mind is in the gutter.

Thanks for clarifying.
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written by duh_swami , February 20, 2012
Duh Swami quite often refers to pornography, therefore according to you, his mind is in the gutter.

Yes, and I always associate it with Quran and hadith, which reside in the gutter...Sometimes you have to descend into the gutter to retrieve Quran quotes, but don't worry, I always wear rubber boots...
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written by duh_swami , February 20, 2012
Duh Swami quite often refers to pornography, therefore according to you, his mind is in the gutter.

It's necessary to go into the gutter to find Quran quotes...Nearly all of them are pornographic...
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@M&P: What does absolutely open-minded mean?
written by Fineliving56's son , February 20, 2012
M&P wrote: "I AM OPEN MINDED........WITHIN THE BOUNDARY OF SHARIAH."

Yes. So within the boundary of shariah, you are open-minded. But outside of the boundary, you are close-minded. That is my point. You are not absolutely open-minded as you said you are.
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Finelivings Son
written by Muslim & Proud , February 20, 2012
"So within the boundary of shariah, you are open-minded."

Thank you for acknowledging - it took long enough.

"But outside of the boundary, you are close-minded."

I'll never know son (and neither will you). I have not and don't intend to step outside the boundary sunshine........so you have absolutely no right to make that judgement.

So you have accepted that I am open minded (even if it's within the boundary of Shariah) - well done.
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Finelivings Son
written by Muslim & Proud , February 20, 2012
In the interest of not ignoring questions...

I said Islam cures all diseases.

You said: "What diseases does it cure?"

Hot of the press:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/feb/18/fasting-protect-brain-diseases-scientists?fb=native

Rzq - Make sure you check it out bro. These scientists have had to wait for almost 1500 years to figure it out

Our beloved Prophet (peace be upon him) used to fast on Monday & Thursday (without fail).

Ps. I would revise what I said and say it's more about prevention than cure ;-)
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Islamic fasting...a joke...
written by duh_swami , February 20, 2012
Hindu's have been fasting for health for 5000 years and none of them are hungry today...Mohammad simply stole that idea as well...Ramadan fasting is not fasting, it is simply missing lunch...While that may be good for you, it is not unique...Mohammad did not invent it, and neither did Allah...
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@M&P: What does absolutely open-minded mean?
written by Fineliving56's son , February 20, 2012
M&P wrote: "I'll never know son (and neither will you). I have not and don't intend to step outside the boundary sunshine........so you have absolutely no right to make that judgement."

By your own statement, you are saying that you don't intend to step outside the boundary of Shariah. I understand that to mean that you will not ask yourself the questions: "Why do I believe in Allah?" and "Why am I a muslim?" Am I wrong?

And I asked you these questions and you didn't reply. I asked you multiple times. And still no reply.

So clearly you intend to be closed-minded to these questions. Right?

Or did I misunderstand and you are willing to ask yourself these questions and provide your answers here?
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To Machmoed, a correction concerning Mishnah and Gemara
written by Yibel , February 20, 2012
The Mishnah was redacted about 220 CE, about 1500 years (NOT 100 YEARS) after the time of Moses. Rabbinic commentaries on the Mishnah over the next three centuries (circa 220 CE-500 CE) were redacted as the Gemara. The Gemara and the Mishnah together comprise the Talmud. The Misnah and Gamara are nothing like the Islamic aHadith and sunnah of Islam.

The Mishnah is a codex that reflects 1st century BCE and 2nd century CE debates
between a group of rabbinic sages known as the Tannaim. The Mishnah teaches the Jewish legal traditions by example, presenting actual cases that were brought to judgment, usually along with the debate on the matter and the judgment that was given by a wise and notable rabbi based on the halacha, Mitzvot, and spirit of the teaching ("Torah") that guided his sentencing. It is not a code of Jewish law but a study book of law in which the opinions of the minority are included along with the opinions of the majority even though the law may differ. The reason for this is so that a later court can examine their words and rely upon them if they fit a new situation (Mishnah Eduyot 1:3). The purpose of the Mishnah was to train the sages in thinking through the legal issues that inform the halakhah (Jewish law) after the fall of the second temple.

The aHadith and sunnah, on the other hand, are a collection of the sayings and deeds of ONE PERSON called Muhammad as remembered by the people who knew him: Everything from how to wipe your ass (only use an odd number of stones) to making sure that flies dip both their wings in your soup (one wing has bad stuff, the other has good stuff so they cancel each other out!) Every mundane, trivial, flipping piece of crap thing that Muhammad (an omnipotent, manipulative, authoritarian monolithic entity who suffered from Obsessive Compulsive Disorder) ever said or did is laid out as the ABSOLUTE FINAL LAW that CANNOT be changed, EVER!!!
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Finelivings Son
written by Muslim & Proud , February 20, 2012
I understand you will be hurting right now.......try not to take it personally.

"Or did I misunderstand and you are willing to ask yourself these questions and provide your answers here?"

Would you ask your Mum: "Are you REALLY my mum?"
Would you ask your Dad: "Are you REALLY my Dad?"

Only those in doubt ask themselves the questions you have put to me.

I have ABSOLUTELY no doubt, not even an Atom's worth of doubt about Islam and my beliefs...........so your questions are useless and only serve a purpose to those who are referred to as "wobblers". And even the wobblers, providing they keep an open and unbiased mind about Islam, end up even stronger in their faith.

I pray to Allah (the exalted) that I NEVER have to ask myself the useless questions.....Insha-Allah.
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Fineliving son
written by rzq , February 20, 2012
The road is a simple one!
You either belive in god or you don't
Then you choose the path that makes most sense to you to reach that god!
Does that answer your question sigmond?
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Rzq
written by Muslim and proud , February 20, 2012
Rzq

Bro

He is probably the type of person who REALLY would ask his mum: Are you REALLY my mum? Prove it? X=Mum Y=No Mum......blah blah blah

It's quite pathetic..........with all due respect
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Fineliving son
written by rzq , February 20, 2012
Let me tell you about the ONLY thing that is definite in your life. Forget moms, dads kids, houses, cars, jobs!
You are alive now and after a very short period of time you will die.
That is the only real certainty in your life.
You had better have contemplated for yourself about
1. how did I get here.
2. What is my function here.
3. What happens when I leave here.
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irz...
written by duh_swami , February 20, 2012
You had better have contemplated for yourself about

That sounds like a threat...Not a personal threat, an Allah threat...Maybe some people are not as fanatic as you about an after life in your plastic Paradise...Allah has got you so paranoid about Paradise, I bet you hardly sleep at night worrying about it...Allah didn't promise Paradise to everyone, some of you Muslims are going to the furnace room with kuffar...Has Allah guaranteed you a place in Paradise?

'You are alive now and after a very short period of time you will die'.

How short is short? Do I have enough time do do laundry?

'That is the only real certainty in your life'.

Not if you live in America, the other certainty is that you will pay taxes...


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@M&P and rzq: Why do I believe Allah exists?
written by Fineliving56's son , February 20, 2012
rzq wrote: "Let me tell you about the ONLY thing that is definite in your life. Forget moms, dads kids, houses, cars, jobs! You are alive now and after a very short period of time you will die. That is the only real certainty in your life. You had better have contemplated for yourself about. 1. how did I get here. 2. What is my function here. 3. What happens when I leave here."

Yes you guys finally answered my question. These are the reasons that you believe in Allah.

So you think that Allah created you, and that Allah gave you a purpose [which is your function], and that you will go to heaven or hell based on how to perform your function.

Lets start with the first one. Why do you believe that you were created by a god rather than by evolution? Or do you believe in evolution and that god created the universe?
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@M&P: What is a useless question?
written by Fineliving56's son , February 20, 2012
M&P wrote: "I pray to Allah (the exalted) that I NEVER have to ask myself the useless questions.....Insha-Allah."

How do you know what is a useless question until you've contemplated it?

I think its important to contemplate every question that enters one's mind and to deem it important or not important only after sufficient contemplation. And I have a very specific method for applying this philosophy.

When the mind is contemplating a question, it is because of an interest in the problem that the question addresses. As long as there is interest in the problem, the question one should continue to contemplate it. When and only when the interest subsides, should the question no longer be contemplated. There exists only one way that the problem can become uninteresting, and that is when it is solved, i.e. the answer to the question is found.

So as long as one is interested in a problem, questions about it are useful.
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MOM DAD & ISLAM
written by No More Confused , February 21, 2012
M & PEE wrote

Would you ask your Mum: "Are you REALLY my mum?"
Would you ask your Dad: "Are you REALLY my Dad?"

you are taking it personal now!!

Question is "are you born as a muslim by your will?" or your parents made you muslim?

and your parents are muslims because their parents made them muslims and they are muslims because

most probably your ancestors were converted to islam by arabs.

and in case your ancestors converted to islam by their own will they have chosen a wrong belief!!

Yes islam is a wrong belief..this is what this website is trying to prove!!

this has nothing to do with paternity testing..it is islam being tested.

may peace be upon you!!



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written by No More Confused , February 21, 2012
rzq wrote

You had better have contemplated for yourself about
1. how did I get here.
2. What is my function here.
3. What happens when I leave here.

What makes you believe that islam provides the perfect answers to these questions?
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2 Yibel
written by Machmoed , February 21, 2012
The aHadith and sunnah, on the other hand, are a collection of the sayings and deeds of ONE PERSON called Muhammad as remembered by the people who knew him.

That's the whole point. Accadamiccally they didn't know him. There is no evidence they did.

About the mishnah. It is from an islamic website to show M&P what other muslims believe, but thanx for the correction. I'll pass it to the admisnistrator of that site.
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@M&P: Are you my mum?
written by Fineliving56's son , February 21, 2012
As for the questions you proposed, they could be very interesting to
somebody who has information that leads him to believe that his
parents are not his biological parents. Lets consider a hypothetical
situation whereby a kid finds a secret picture of him with two other
people and a question pops in his head, "Why don't I have any pictures
of me as a baby with my parents? Are those two people in this secret
picture my real biological parents?"

In this hypothetical, the kid will should not stop contemplating the
question he has asked himself until the problem is no longer
interesting, i.e. he has found a sufficient solution that causes the
interest to subside.
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Muhammad prophet islam from mount paran.IN BIBLE
written by then lie , February 21, 2012
(13) The mournful, inspired prediction (a burden to be lifted up) concerning Arabia: In the forests and thickets of Arabia you shall lodge, O you caravans of Dedanites [from northern Arabia].14) To the thirsty [Dedanites] bring water, O inhabitants of the land of Tema [in Arabia]; meet the fugitive with bread [suitable] for him.
PROPHET MUHAMMAD WITH ABU BAKR ASH SIDDIQ GO FROM MAKKAH TO MADINAH RUN FROM THE SWORD AND BOW.THIS FACT. MUHAMMAD FROM PARAN(ARABIA) (15) For they have fled from the swords, from the drawn sword, from the bent bow, and from the grievousness of war [the press of battle].16) For the Lord has said this to me, Within a year, according to the years of a hireling [who will work no longer than was agreed], all the glory of Kedar [an Arabian tribe] will fail.(17) And the remainder of the number of archers and their bows, the mighty men of the sons of Kedar, will be diminished and few; for the Lord, the God of Israel, has spoken it.
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written by then lie , February 21, 2012
yesaya 21
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then lie
written by duh_swami , February 21, 2012
Please stop posting pornography unless you include pictures...
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Finelivings Son
written by Muslim and proud , February 21, 2012
"In this hypothetical, the kid will should not stop contemplating the
question he has asked himself until the problem is no longer
interesting, i.e. he has found a sufficient solution that causes the
interest to subside."

And once the kid has ABSOLUTELY no doubt about it - he/she does not need to question him/herself.

Worth noting here that ex muslims obviously still have not found anything more interesting than Islam.
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...
written by duh_swami , February 21, 2012
Worth noting here that ex muslims obviously still have not found anything more interesting than Islam.

Islam is interesting, like the study of vermin, or contagious disease...
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Duh
written by Muslim and proud , February 21, 2012
Islam is certainly contagious - just check how many White women convert on a daily basis....
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Haha how many is how many liar?
written by duh_swami , February 21, 2012
Extremely few do it because they suddenly got a crush on Allah...It's more likely they got a crush on a slippery Muslim boy, and made the mistake of marrying him...She most likely didn't know he had three other wives and beats them regularly...It wont take her long to figure out her error...
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ABSOLUTELY no doubt??
written by No More Confused , February 21, 2012
M & P says

"And once the kid has ABSOLUTELY no doubt about it - he/she does not need to question him/herself."

There will be ABSOLUTEY no doubt about islam until the whole humanity approves it to be the right

belief.

After 1400 years only 25% approve it.

may peace be upon you
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@M&P
written by No More Confused , February 21, 2012
"Islam is certainly contagious - just check how many White women convert on a daily basis...."

M&P are you talking about Love Jihad?

Remember what Mo said "Majority of women will go to hell"

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A Slippery Muslim boy got dumped
written by fineliving56 , February 21, 2012
By my white American friend who had 4 kids with that muslim crook who mistreated her,verbally abused her , lied to her about going on a trip to Damascus for family vacation only he SPRANG on her that his kids will stay in Syria for good, … Mothers in Islam have no say where their kids live especially if they are older then 6 ….she came back alone with nothing to show for her marriage to that Muslim thief … except a cruel lessen in life .

She trashed her veil … dumped Islam and Quran … went to school for nursing and she is working now… but very sad for loosing her children.

I like to repeat this story here … may be white women will read this and wise up to what they are sighing up for when they marry two faced Muslims who, while they are courting them,he shows the most moderate face they could show and they hide the dark, dictatorship side.

My beautiful friend used to have to walk behind him when walking with him, while shopping ….she was bulled and instructed to do so.

when I ask her why would she take this non sense, she said, because, he told her women in Islam, are second and men are first in everything … and she wants to go to heaven and she has to listen and obey…

That Muslim slime of a man did NOT say,that before he
married her.

Of course, it was her fault for not investigation Islam and Muslims before she got involved … it was very naive and too trusting of her to do that …

I believe women like her, should worn other western white women to beware ….
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@M&P: A question is not useless until you have a satisfactory answer
written by Fineliving56's son , February 21, 2012
M&P wrote: "And once the kid has ABSOLUTELY no doubt about it - he/she does not need to question him/herself."

So you agree that its not a useless question until you've answered the question satisfactorily and that you no longer have any doubt.

So tell me. Have you asked yourself the questions that I posed?

Do you believe in the idea that evolution created us? Do you believe in the idea that God created us? Do you believe in both? If so, how do you reconcile the two ideas?
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Finelivings Son
written by Muslim & Proud , February 21, 2012
"So you agree that its not a useless question until you've answered the question satisfactorily and that you no longer have any doubt."

Only if there is ever a need to pose the question in the first place. If there is NO doubt, then there is no need for the question.

"So tell me. Have you asked yourself the questions that I posed?

Do you believe in the idea that evolution created us? Do you believe in the idea that God created us? Do you believe in both? If so, how do you reconcile the two ideas?"

I have ABSOLUTELY no doubt that Allah (the exalted) is THE creator.......of everything single thing that ever existed and is likely to exist, from the very forst day.......until the very last.

Therefore.......

The questions are only suitable for those in doubt.
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@M&P: Useless questions?
written by Fineliving56's son , February 21, 2012
I wrote: "Do you believe in the idea that evolution created us? Do you believe in the idea that God created us? Do you believe in both? If so, how do you reconcile the two ideas?"

M&P wrote: "I have ABSOLUTELY no doubt that Allah (the exalted) is THE creator.......of everything single thing that ever existed and is likely to exist, from the very forst day.......until the very last."

So you don't believe that evolution exists? How else do you explain how species evolve from other species?

Or do you believe that every species was created by god?
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Fineliving Son
written by Muslim and proud , February 21, 2012
I have ABSOLUTELY no doubt that Allah (the exalted) is THE creator.......of everything single thing that ever existed and is likely to exist, from the very first day.......until the very last.
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@M&P: Allah created everything
written by Fineliving56's son , February 21, 2012
M&P wrote: "I have ABSOLUTELY no doubt that Allah (the exalted) is THE creator.......of everything single thing that ever existed and is likely to exist, from the very first day.......until the very last."

BTW, when you answer questions the exact same way every time, this is a sign of doublethink. This means you don't like to think about these questions. It makes you feel bad so you consciously do not think about it. Is that what is happening?

Ok so you don't believe in evolution. And you don't believe that species evolve from previous species. You think that all species were created by Allah. So don't you think its interesting that all the species appear to have evolved from previous species? Or do you think that Allah made it look that way just for us as a test to see if we believe him or not? [this is what I believed at one point].

Also, when you say *every single thing*, are you including the stuff that humans make? Like chairs? Did Allah make chairs too?

What about the details about the universe? Do you think Allah made it in 7 days or do you think that number is just symbolic?
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Yes, fineliving, women should be warned
written by Yibel , February 21, 2012
In Mo/Allah's brothel in the sky there is no place for wives:
As for the righteous (Muslim males), they shall be lodged in peace together amid gardens and fountains, arrayed in rich silks and fine brocade, Even thus: and WE shall wed them to dark-eyed houris. (Q. 44:50 52: 15-20) bashful virgins whom neither man nor jinnee will have touched before; virgins as fair as corals and rubies. (Q. 55:52-78)

When Muhammad was asked about where wives would go after they died, he replied that they would go to Hell along with the jinn, hypocrites, apostates, and kuffar!!!

"WE created the houris and made them virgins, chaste as virgin pearls, loving companions for those on the right hand (righteous Muslims)... (Q.56:10-30)
Also purest wine, fruits of choice and flesh of fowls that they relish."

Quran 56: 74-76: "I swear by the shelter of the stars (a mighty oath, if you but knew it) that this is a glorious Qur'an, safeguarded in a book which none may touch except the pufied; a revelation from the Lord of the Universe (This is one of the 50 names of Marduk)."

Who is swearing here? Muhammad? Allah? Ar-Rahman? Jibril?

Q. 56:96: "This is surely the undubitable truth. Praise, then, the name of your Lord,
Al-'Azeem, The Magnificent.

Wrong!!! It's Al-'Azeem!!!

But why is swearing by stars a mighty oath? And why is Al-'Azeem swearing by his own creation, a bunch of balls of hot gas?
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Finelivings Son
written by Muslim and proud , February 22, 2012
"BTW, when you answer questions the exact same way every time, this is a sign of doublethink. This means you don't like to think about these questions. It makes you feel bad so you consciously do not think about it. Is that what is happening?"

I would only need to consider the questions IF I had any doubts - as per our previous discussion.

"Ok so you don't believe in evolution. And you don't believe that species evolve from previous species. You think that all species were created by Allah. So don't you think its interesting that all the species appear to have evolved from previous species?

I have no interest in Darwanism.

"Or do you think that Allah made it look that way just for us as a test to see if we believe him or not? [this is what I believed at one time]

There is no such Test in Islam.

"Also, when you say *every single thing*, are you including the stuff that humans make? Like chairs? Did Allah make chairs too?"

Humans make chairs, Allah (the exalted) created the Human.

"What about the details about the universe? Do you think Allah made it in 7 days or do you think that number is just symbolic?"

7?

7:54 "Your Guardian-Lord Is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days, then He established Himself on the Throne (of authority):  He draweth the night as a veil O'er the day, each seeking the other in rapid succession:  He created the sun, the moon, and the stars, (all) governed by laws under His command.  Is it not His to create and to govern?  Blessed be Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds!" 
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Yibel
written by fineliving56 , February 22, 2012
The word virgins in these Ayas in Quran surahs 44/56/55 are defined specifically as this: girl who haven't had their monthly flux yet [ lam yatmothnah ]

Virgins which some time you might say that the Aya might refer to an adult women virgins …[although most of the time, virgins refers to young girls]

But ...No …no …. leave it to Muhammad/Allah sick obsession with little girls flesh, he promised little girls who had NOT had the chance to become women yet ... they had not matured yet … they did not have their monthly period yet … but still, Muhammad promised pre menstrual to muslim men … and because they believe Quran was sent to all ages, muslim men, in this day and age, think, they are going to get pre menstrual girls in heaven.

Now ...I wander how normal muslim men who like only to marry adult women and they are disgusted with the idea of sleeping with children, reconcile this in their brain ?
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written by duh_swami , February 22, 2012
M&P wrote: "I have ABSOLUTELY no doubt that Allah (the exalted) is THE creator.......of everything single thing that ever existed and is likely to exist, from the very first day.......until the very last."

That's a very easy statement to make...Every religion, tribes in the jungle or Muslims in the desert...have some idea that their god or gods created everything...The problem is not with a creator, the problem is with the created...There may be a God of the universe that created everything, but as soon as humans form a religion around it, decay sets in...All religions about God are false, because God is not a religion...God never wrote anything, he/it never said anything, there was no Pen of Destiny to write anything,
There was no Gabriel lecturing to Mohhamad, there was no Noah and an ark, there was no 'Night Journey to the 'furthest mosque', there was no Johah and the whale and there was no Moses being instructed by a burning bush and a floating finger...I also have a floating finger, but when I show it to people they get mad and throw rocks...


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response to fineliving56 , February 22
written by Yibel , February 24, 2012
Dear fineliving,
Just when I think I've learned the worst that Islam has to offer, it gets even more
grotesque and discusting!!!

An afterlife in which sadistic Muslim murderers spend eternity raping pearly little
boys that never grow up and underage girls repeatedly is more than enough to make one vomit. No wonder Muslim males are raping little girls and boys all over the world and running brothels for pedophiles.

To M&P
Not prostrating correctly?? REALLY? So there a WRONG WAY to stick your forehead in the dirt and your butt in the air like a stink bug?? ROTFLOL: What a great joke? So how are you doing on the rest of your "good" deeds?

Good deeds according to Muhammad:
1285. Abu Hurairah reported: The Messenger of Allah (POOBAH) was asked, "Which deed is the best?" He (POOBAH) replied: Faith in Allah and His Messenger. He (POOBAH) was asked, "What is next?" He (POOBAH) replied: Jihad (holy fighting) in the Cause of Allah. Then he was asked, "What is after that (in goodness)?" He (POOBAH) replied: Hajj Mabrur (which is accepted by Allah). - Al-Bukhari and Muslim

M&P, a cult leader becomes so obsessed with obedience that he demands his followers prove their loyalty and love for him by sacrificing everything, including their lives. The cause is nothing more than a pretext! Muhammad's Qur'an encourages Muslims to sacrifice their lives, and the lives of their children, for his cause, but would you really want to spend eternity someplace raping children? What kind of a god would conceive of such an eternity?

Do you think the death penalty for apostates, stoning for adultery, amputation of the hand for theft, the denial of the freedom of speech, and institutionalized second-
class status for women and non-Muslims is alright? This is shari'ah (Law of Ah). Do you really approve of these laws?
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Yibel
written by Muslim and proud , February 24, 2012
Yibel

You are doing a great job of proving that you are a bigot - congratulations.

"Do you think the death penalty for apostates, stoning for adultery, amputation of the hand for theft"

These are absolutely alright. Please note that as far as apostates are concerned, they can only be put down if they:

1 - Declare / announce their apostasy
2 - They have been given support to try and clarify any misconceptions they have
3 - They cause mischief amongs Muslims
4 - They declare war against the Muslims (verbal or physical)

If the above conditions have all been met, then the apostate must be put down. Treason has never been taken lightly in general, regardless of religion.

If the apostate has any dignity and leave quietly, he/she is free to leave the area / town / city and settle elsewhere and live happily ever after.

Most apostates tend to make it their mission in life to satisfy 1, 3 and 4 above......and then they complain about the treatment they receive......bizarre.

Hope this clarifies things.
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The pus master speaks
written by duh_swami , February 25, 2012
"Do you think the death penalty for apostates, stoning for adultery, amputation of the hand for theft"

These are absolutely alright.

And that is what makes you a murderous little freak, and your perverted religion evil...
Sane people resist that crap, you cowardly pus hole psychotics think it is alright...
Take your religion and your depraved mentality and shove them punk...5:33 and you deserve each other...
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No Mr. M&P
written by Yibel , February 25, 2012
It is you who are the bigot. You are intolerant of those who differ with you. That is the definition of a bigot.

As a devout Muslim (which you claim to be) you are a person of strong conviction and prejudice in your belief that your particular political ideology (Arab supermacy) which masquerades as a religion, is the only way all people of the earth should live, whether they want to or not. You are the one who is intolerant of the thoughts, beliefs, hopes, dreams, and wishes for peace on earth (as it is in Heaven, Nirvana, etc.) of all the rest of humanity.

I, on the other hand, believe in peace and good will to almost all mankind, be they Buddhists, Jainists, Taoist, Hindus, Sikhs, Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, etc.
I am not, however, tolerant to the intolerant!
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Yibel
written by Muslim and proud , February 25, 2012
You are the one who is intolerant of the thoughts, beliefs, hopes, dreams, and wishes for peace on earth (as it is in Heaven, Nirvana, etc.) of all the rest of humanity


How did you work that out?

As a devout Muslim (which you claim to be) you are a person of strong conviction and prejudice in your belief that your particular political ideology (Arab supermacy) which masquerades as a religion, is the only way all people of the earth should live, whether they want to or not.


You are obviously confused about what a devout Muslim thinks and believes
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Justified bigotry
written by duh_swami , February 25, 2012
No kuffar should be tolerant of Islam nor any of it's filthy agents...it is right to be bigoted about Islam just as it is right to be bigoted against the plague...
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back to islam
written by then lie , February 25, 2012
we all islam choice this verses
255. Allah! There is no God save Him, the Alive, the Eternal. Neither slumber nor sleep overtaketh Him. Unto Him
belongeth whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth. Who is he that intercedeth with Him save by His
leave? He knoweth that which is in front of them and that which is behind them, while they encompass nothing of His
knowledge save what He will. His throne includeth the heavens and the earth, and He is never weary of preserving them.
He is the Sublime, the Tremendous
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muslim pray every where.wortship only for Allah
written by then lie , February 25, 2012
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then lie
written by duh_swami , February 26, 2012
muslim pray every where.wortship only for Allah

Satan appreciates your efforts...
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Islam forever
written by Jamil , February 26, 2012
You will never understand what is all about islam becouse satan(devil) is blowing the trumpet in your ear and your heart is closed not accepting any truth.So we muslims believe that Allah exist and muhammad is his messenger,his servernt and the last prophet as well.we believe that Allah sent all those 124,000 prophet's.Islam is all about worshipping one god(Allah) and to believe what the qur'an says,what the hadith says not to argue.But at the end you are a devil worshippers(killuminati or illuminati)what ever it is i don't care.you are not a christ,becouse true christ believe in god nevertheless you don't believe with muhammad.and if you are a true christ you will not challenge the deeds of god.So be careful and catch your tongue.unbelievers.
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Jamil
written by duh_swami , February 26, 2012
There is no Allah, you have been tricked...
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Salaam Jamil
written by Muslim & Proud , February 26, 2012
Well said Bro.

Try to ignore Duh_Swami. He is a true Islamaphobe and racist bigot.
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Someones fibbing
written by duh_swami , February 26, 2012
Try to ignore Duh_Swami. He is a true Islamaphobe and racist bigot.

Many have tried to ignore me but no one has done it...I am a true Islamophobe and have a badge and decoder ring to prove it...and I am a bigot and have a bigot membership in the Islamo-bigotry Society of Planet Earth and have a card...But your charge of racism is unfounded...You cannot produce one racist comment made by me...Unless of course you are claiming that Islam is a race...which it's not...
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what do Muslims believe
written by Yibel , February 26, 2012
So, tell us here at IW, what a devout Muslims think and believe? Is it the following:

60:1-3 ”O you who believe, you shall not befriend My enemies and your enemies, extending love and friendship to them, when they have disbelieved in the truth that has come to you. They persecute the messenger, and you, just because you believe in Allah, your Lord. If you mobilize to struggle in My cause, seeking My blessings, how can you secretly love them? I am fully aware of everything you conceal, and everything you declare. Those among you who do this have indeed strayed off the right path…. They want you to disbelieve. Your relatives and children can never help you. On the Day of Resurrection, He will judge among you. Allah is Seer of everything you do.”

So, you believe that Muslims are not to take non-Muslims as friends. Leniency is not to be shown to unbelieving friends and family and the spread of Islam by means of warfare takes priority over these relationships.

9:111 ”Allah has purchased from the believers their selves and possessions, and for them is paradise. They fight in the way of Allah, slay, and are slain.”

So you believe that Muslims gain paradise, Allah's brothel in the sky, by killing unbelievers.

9:38 ”Believers, why is it that when it is said to you: ‘march in the way of Allah, ‘ you linger with heaviness in the land? Are you content with this life rather than the everlasting life? Yet the enjoyment of this life in (comparison to) the everlasting life is little. If you do not go forth, he will punish you with a painful punishment and replace you by another nation.”

So you belive that those who refuse to wage jihad will face terrible punishment.

47:4-”Therefore, when you meet the unbelievers smite their necks, then, when you have killed many of them, tie the bonds…. As for those who are killed in the Way of Allah, he will not let their works to go astray.”

So you believe that your god commands you to violence and praises violent killers!
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@duh_swami
written by then lie , February 27, 2012

Satan appreciates your efforts...your god satan?elohim?yesus?money or stone.yesus create you??
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Allah our god,The king of gods
written by then lie , February 27, 2012
Quran say: 57;1. All that is in the heavens and the earth glorifieth Allah and He is the Mighty, the Wise.
2. His is the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth; He quickeneth and He giveth death; and He is Able to do things.
3. He is the First and the Last, and the Outward and the Inward; and He is Knower of all things.
4. He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in Days; then He mounted the Throne. He knoweth all that entereth
the earth and all that emergeth therefrom and all that cometh down from the sky and all that ascendeth therein; and He
is with you wheresoever ye may be. And Allah is Seer of what ye do.
5. His is the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth and, unto Allah (all) things are brought back.
6. He causeth the night to pass into the day, and He causeth the day to pass into the night, and He is Knower of all that
is in the breasts.
7. Believe in Allah and His messenger, and spend of that whereof He hath made you trustees; and such of you as believe
and spend (aright), theirs will be a great reward
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Then lie
written by duh_swami , February 27, 2012
written by then lie, February 27, 2012

Satan appreciates your efforts...your god satan?elohim?yesus?money or stone.yesus create you??

I had a unique creation, I was born on a bicycle at the age of three...I don't remember too much about it because I was pretty young at the time...

About the time I was twelve, I was approached by Satan disguised as dajjal, who offered me a job cutting grass for $1.00 an hour...Satan told me that if I did well mowing lawns, I could get a promotion to weed eater, and move up in his organization...Now I have a management position in Hell Incorporated, a fine Satanic organization......Satan/dajjal rewards me greatly for doing the hard work for him, that is, putting evil spells on Muslims...Look what a mess I have made of your brothers M&P and rzq...

I will talk to Satan about you, then lie, he may have a job for you too...


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Islam forever
written by Jamil , February 27, 2012
Duh-swami if there is no Allah who created you then?or you are the one that create your self?
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Jamil
written by Muslim and proud , February 27, 2012
Salaam Jamil

Duh swami was created when a man an woman made a very serious mistake - when he was born, the nurses had to take time off work after they saw him - they were traumatised......lol
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Islam forever
written by Jamil , February 27, 2012
Thnx bro but i want him to answer himself i mean (duh-swami).
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Jamil
written by Muslim and proud , February 27, 2012
No worries Bro

You might not like the answer - let's wait and see
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Jamil, have you been saved?
written by duh_swami , February 27, 2012
Jamil...I tried to get a job with Satan for M&Perverted, but Satan said he had other plans for him, something about sending Iblis with a big stick, but the cell phone connection to hell went dead, so I didn't hear the last part...That happens some times when Satan is very busy...I will call him later for confirmation...He may need an application from you...
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Jamil
written by duh_swami , February 27, 2012
Duh-swami if there is no Allah who created you then?or you are the one that create your self?

I was not created by Allah, I existed way before Allah who never existed at all and still does not exist...Allah has created nothing, so I have not been created by the demon Allah...

And now it is time for your knowledge lecture that you can't get at any mosque, because I have not yet told any Imams about it...You are the first...You won't find these in Quran...
Instead I have been created by divine providence...which is not a god...God of Bible, not Allah, is these things, life, light, love, peace and spirit...These are called 'God is' as in 'God is Love'...
These attributes are a 'God is', because they have no opposites, they are all singular...Hate is not the opposite of Love... the opposite of hate is 'like', you either like something or you hate it, like spinach...The opposite of light is not dark...Dark is the absence of light not the opposite of it...As the color black is not a color, it is the absence of all color, as white light is the even mixture of all colors...Death is similar, it is not the opposite of life, it is the absence of life...Peace is not the opposite of war, the opposite of war is truce, with all sides armed to the teeth waiting for someone to slip up...Truce is better than war, but it is not peace...Spirit speaks for itself...

That concludes your knowledge lecture for today...You don't have to thank me, I'm always glad to help...


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Jamil
written by Muslim and proud , February 27, 2012
I know exactly what you're thinking.

Bear in mind that Duh used to work in a mental institution so this should explain a lot of his problems. Add to this the fact that nobody likes him and he does not have a life...........these are all the ingredients of a complete TWAT.

Forgive my language but I would be lying to you if I missed anything out from the above.
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Jamil
written by Muslim and proud , February 27, 2012
This is what Duh said:

"Truce is better than war"

If you asked him: "Are you going to call a truce on your war with Islam?"

He will squirm like there is no tomorrow......
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What surrah 57 actually says:
written by Yibel , February 27, 2012
57:1 All that is in the heavens and the earth glorify Allah, hi is Marduk (the Mighty, Wise One)
57:2 He is (Marduk) the Sovereignty of the heavens; he is Al-Mumit (the Destroyer,
the Bringer of Death)
57:3 He is Al-'Awwal (the First, the Beginning-less), Al-'Akhir (the Last, the
Endless), Az-Zahir (the Manifest, The Evident, The Outer), Al-Batin (the Hidden, the Unmanifest, the Inner). He is Marduk, the Knower of all Things.
57:4 He it is (Marduk) Who created the heavens and the earth in Days; then He mounted the Throne. He knoweth all that entereth the earth and all that emergeth therefrom and all that cometh down from the sky and all that ascendeth therein; and He is with you wheresoever ye may be. And Allah (Marduk) is Seer of what ye do.
57:5. His is (Marduk) the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth and, unto him (all) things are brought back.
57:6. He causeth the night to pass into the day, and He causeth the day to pass into the night, and He is Knower of all that is in the breasts.

(Tablet of the Enuma Elish, the Babylonian Epic of Creation)

The Mystery of Creation for the Babylonians was celebrated every single year in the twelve first days of Nisan, the first month of the year, during the Akitu festival to sing for Life and the Taming of Chaos, a task that indeed never ends.

Marduk is one of the most widely powerful Mesopotamian deities, and assumes on occasion the function of almost every other deity in the pantheon, mainly because as it was stated in the Enuma Elish, He was chosen champion of the Gods against Tiamat and upon victory, received 50 names of power. He is seen as a bestower of green plants and ripe harvests through the beneficient influence of the sky-forces (Ar-Rahman/Ar-Raheem).

Marduk created the earth in two days and then rose above the earth to create the skies in two more days. The skies he held up with invisible pillars. then he created the animals and plants and then man from the clots of blood of the general Kingu which he slew.

He is later through the movement of the luminaries, the arbiter of each person´s destiny. He rules the four quarters of the world. When He speaks, fire (the god Malik) blazes from his mouth. (See surrah 96).
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Yibel
written by Muslim and proud , February 27, 2012
You need to get out more my friend.......you are all over the place. There is only one person that will read and be convinced about what you are saying and that person is you my friend.
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Show your ignorance to the world...
written by duh_swami , February 27, 2012
If you asked him: "Are you going to call a truce on your war with Islam?"

You lie mangy cur...Islam is at war with the world and the world responds...You can look to your filthy book for your war commands...They are all there waiting for you to concoct lies to cover them up...But you cannot cover them up hypocrite, they are all in print...There will be no hudna because the 'war' is all on Islams side...
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Jamil
written by Muslim & Proud , February 27, 2012
Now the fool Duh is saying:

"Islam is at war with the world and the world responds"

So the world does not know how to call a truce - well done to the complete fool.
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M&Perverted hallucinates...
written by duh_swami , February 27, 2012
So the world does not know how to call a truce - well done to the complete fool.

You are one huge idiot...the demon Pazuzu has screwed your head on backwards, your vile vomit makes no sense at all freak...You must be smoking some of that Allah brand funny tobacco, you mind is seriously screwed up...
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Jamil
written by duh_swami , February 27, 2012
You notice Jamil, that your coward of a brother M&Perverted, will not speak to me directly, he speaks tou you about me...This is because the coward is terrified of me Jamil...He hides behind sincere Muslims like yourself as a shield...He may be a fellow Muslim, but he is not your brother...

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