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Muhammad's Murder of Poetess Asma bint Marwan

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How Prophet Muhammad murdered Asma bte Marwan, a poetess and mother of five, as she slept with her children? (comic illustration)


In March, 624CE, immediately after his return from the victory at Badr, Muhammad felt strong enough to put a halt to his critics who were displeased that his arrival at Medina, along with his horde of marauding Jihadists had caused fear and serious divisions among the Medinites. Many Jews were greatly disturbed at the prospect of a militarily strong army of the Muslims and feared that they might be Muhammad’s next victims, because they (the Jews) possessed great wealth.

During those days, the most successful method of hurling epithets and criticisms to opponents was through poems. Therefore, poets in those days were what journalists are today. One such poetess was Asma bint Marwan. She belonged to the B. Aws and did not hide her dislike for Islam. She was married to Yazid b. Zayd, a man of Banu Khatma and had five sons and a suckling infant. Some authors suggest that her father was a Jew. After the Badr war, she composed some satirical poems. The verses spread from mouth to mouth and finally reached the ears of the Muslims and they were greatly offended. Muhammad could not at all endure satire or vituperation. [1] Therefore, an incensed Muhammad decided that it was time to get rid of her.

In his mosque, at night, Muhammad sought a volunteer to assassinate Asma bt. Marwan. A Muslim named Umayr b. Adiy al-Khatmi, belonging to the same tribe as Asma’s husband (i.e., Banu Khatma) stood up to complete the job. In the dead of night he crept into her apartment. Her little children then surrounded Asma while she slept. Hugging her bosom was her infant, suckling her breast. Umayr removed the infant from her breast and plunged his sword in her belly with such a force that it passed through her back. This severe blow killed Asma on the spot. It was just five days before the end of the month of the sacred month of fasting, Ramadan when Muslims are not supposed to shed blood. [2]

After murdering Asma, next morning, Umayr went to pray in the mosque while Muhammad was there. Muhammad was quite anxious to learn if the mission of Umayr was a success or not. He said to Umayr, 'Have you slain the daughter of Marwan?’ Commenting on this Ibn S’ad [3] writes, "This was the word that was first heard from the Apostle of Allah, may Allah bless him." When Umayr replied that the job had been carried out with success, Muhammad said, "You have helped God and His apostle, O 'Umayr!'" When Umayr asked if he would have to bear any evil consequences, the apostle said, "Two goats won't butt their heads about her." [4] Muhammad then praised Umayr in front of all gathered for prayer for his act of  murder, and Umayr went back to his people. Five days later, the Muslims celebrated the first Eid (the end of fasting)!

When Umayr returned to Upper Medina, he passed the sons of Asma who were burying theirs slain mother. They accused Umayr of murder of their mother. Without hesitation, Umayr admitted the accusation boastfully and threatened to kill the whole family if they dared to repeat the lampoons that their mother had composed deriding the Prophet of mercy. This threat of terror worked wonderfully. The entire tribe of Asma’s husband (i.e., Banu Khatma) who secretly hated Islam, now openly professed their adherence, just to save their lives. Ibn Ishak writes, "That was the first day that Islam became powerful among B. Khatma. The day after Bint Marwan was killed the men of B. Khatma became Muslims because they saw the power of Islam." [5]

Refs: [1] Maxine Rodinson, “Muhammad”, p. 176;  [2] Ibn Sa’d, “Kitab al-Tabaqat,” vol ii, p. 30;  [3] Ibn Sa’d, “Kitab al-Tabaqat”, vol ii, p. 31;  [4] Ibn Ishak, “Sirat Rasul Allah”, p.676; [5] Ibn Ishak, "Sirat Rasul Allah", p.676

[Above text is taken from "The Root of Islamic Terrorism" by Abul Kasem.]

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This is why
written by 1proudkaffur4life , March 22, 2012
some Muslims can kill others in their sleep, while other Muslims IGNORE the whole Story, after all it does not jive with the "wonderful" best example.
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Cursed kuffar for life
written by Muslim and proud , March 22, 2012
Do you actually believe it is a fact that a murder took place?

Yes or no
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Oh dear
written by Rzq , March 22, 2012
Did this story start with " once upon a time....."
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References????
written by Rzq , March 22, 2012
Most scholars consider this story to be a forgery because the only sources for the story are Ibn Ishaq's Sira and Ibn Sa'd's Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir. Also, one of the reporters in the chain of narration, Muhammad Ibn Al-Hajjaj, is known for fabricating Hadiths.

Ibn 'Adiyy mentions this incident in his book "Al-Kamal" on the authority of Ja'far Ibn Ahmad Ibn Muhammad Ibn As-Sabah on authority of Muhammad Ibn Ibrahim Ash-Shami on authority of Muhammad Ibn Al-Hajjaj Al-Lakhmi on authority of Mujalid on authority of Ash-Shu'abi on authority of Ibn 'Abbas, and added that

"...this Isnad (chain of reporters) is not narrated on authority of Mujalid but by Muhammad Ibn Al-Hajjaj and they all (other reporters in the chain) accuse Muhammad Ibn Al-Hajjaj of forging it." (Ibn 'Adiyy, Al-Kamal, Vol. 6, p. 145)
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Rzq
written by Muslim and proud , March 22, 2012
Salaam Bro

The loons will believe anything they read....

You are right - the Hadith is not credible in terms of authenticity.

Now here is the irony - the kuffar loons will INSIST it is true.....lol lol lol

Wait for it....
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New Tale, same spin
written by Malem , March 22, 2012
How is it that some disgruntled, marginal cartoonists get people to believe anything he puts down. This story is not credible at all and contains so much misleading information and half truths its not worth reading or even commenting on.
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written by Jack R. , March 22, 2012
Boy, you muslims have no logic. You question the incidents from the islamic history which was observed and written down, but blindly believe in the ridiculous fairy tales of quran which were rants of a sick rapist.What can you say, grown ups believe in history but children believe in fairy tales and muslims are like l little children.
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JAck
written by Malem , March 22, 2012
Yes you read the above cartoon and put your faith in it. Are you sure it is Muslims that believe in fairytales?
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What does the Mufti say?
written by Ibn Ishaq , March 22, 2012
Let's see what other Islamic experts have to say about the death of this godless wench:

http://muftisays.com/qa/questi...arwan.html
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Refutation Complete
written by Muslim and proud , March 22, 2012
This article is well and truly refuted.

Bro Rzq has provided the evidence - and the link to muftisays.com makes it clear that regarding this poet, the Hadith is not authentic.

It's now over to the loons to "try" and prove otherwise.

Good luck.
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To Muslim and Proud
written by Ibn Ishaq , March 22, 2012
We must not forget however that if the wench existed the she should have been killed on the spotindeed for insulting Allah's favouriteprophet:

This is what Mufti has to say:

Bismillah

Al-jawab billahi at-taufeeq (the answer with Allah's guidance)


The scholars are unanimously agreed that a Muslim who insults the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) becomes a Kaafir and an apostate who is to be executed. This consensus was narrated by more than one of the scholars, such as Imaam Ishaaq ibn Raahawayh, Ibn al-Mundhir, al-Qaadi ‘Iyaad, al-Khattaabi and others. (Al-Saarim al-Maslool, 2/13-16)
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you ought to read what Batman...
written by bundypig , March 22, 2012
says about this series of events...I'll find the website and post it later.
What else would/could a mu$lim say about it?
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Ibn Ishaq
written by Muslim and proud , March 22, 2012
The scholars are unanimously agreed that a Muslim who insults the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) becomes a Kaafir and an apostate


Did you miss this bit:

Due to this prohibition, scholars of Abu Hanifah’s Madhab (school of thought) have stated that apostate women are not to be killed because the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) forbade the killing of women, and since the prohibition is general it includes apostate women. (Sharh Ad-Durr-el-Mukhtar, Volume 1, p. 483, 'Ainul Hidayah commentary of Al Hidayah Vol. 2 Pg. 585)


So apostate women must not be killed......

And this:

Abu Bakr advised Yazid: "I advise you ten things: Do not kill women or children or an aged, infirm person. Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees. Do not destroy an inhabited place. Do not slaughter sheep or camel except for food. Do not burn bees and do not scatter them. Do not steal from the booty, and do not be cowardly." (Mutta Malik, Book 21, Section 3, Number 10)


Selective reading eh?

Unlucky.
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Killing apostates is certainly a part and parcel of Islam
written by Kisan , March 22, 2012
http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/m...h1sec2.htm

Here is a very mainstream Muslim organisation (they even have a sign saying 'Muslims denounce terrorism' on their home page - so they must be the famous moderate Muslims too) that is teaching the killing of Asma Bint Marwan (see their points 9 and 10) as one of the proofs of why killing a blasphemer is a must do even now.

Non-Muslims shouldn't listen to the two-faced liars like M&P, Rzq etc who preach one thing to make their evil cult look good in public and another thing amongst themselves.

This is an authentic tradition that is accepted by many Muslims. Even now polls in Pakistan and Egypt etc come back with 82% support for killing apostates (Pew).

Only to fool non-Muslims is this story and others that have always been part and parcel of mainstream Islamic teachings suddenly declared as unreliable....
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M.&P. et al...
written by Amboyduke , March 22, 2012
Same old shit...

You, Malem and rzq are so unbelievably stupid there is nothing to compare you with.
From here on in I will not respond to your comments.
Your lunacy defies sanity.

War is the answer.
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Killing in the name of Prophet
written by Prophet XX , March 22, 2012
Insulting Mo is Blasphemy and death penalty in Pakistan

HA at the so called azad adilya that can never convict zardari, nawaz, altaf, kayani, pasha, taliban commanders, jihadi leaders because they know what the consequence of that will be.

But to convict the oppressed people, either Christian or Muslim or Hindu by using the draconian unjiust blasphemy law shows the true nature of land of pure, which is land of jahaliya. The same injustice is given to Baloch, Sindhi and Pukhuns.

The sad story for this lady is that she bought water for workers in the field, but the evil minded women refused to drink water from her because it was unclean "kaafir" water. I have seen this behavior towards Christians many times where Muslims openly discriminate against them by calling them unclean. This seems to be acquired trait of hindus, but mullahs also seem to be at forefront of organizing mobs to lynch christians.

Still no one has been punished for the burning down of christian village in punjab some years ago. This is the so called peace and tolerance of Islam as practiced by millions of Muslims. Shameful.

And before replying, spare the detail on what Western countries do or not do. Only thing relevant is our sick behaviour.
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learn islam from the Quran not to another comix
written by then lie , March 22, 2012
Muhammad is the good man,He is the last prophet from Allah
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written by fineliving56 , March 22, 2012
Muhammed was the worst humen being that ever walked on this earth …

He is exposed … and there is no going back …

Muslims just have to deal with that fact


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M&P
written by Mozambique , March 23, 2012

Dear Editor

I want to draw your attention again to my questions and M&P replies

1. why Mo kissed black stone

M&P: because Mo felt like it

2. why Mo screwed daughter in law

M&P: because Mo felt like it

3. why Mo drank camel uri*ne

M&P because Mo felt like it

4. why Mo bowed to sky five times

M&P: because Mo felt like it


Dear Editor do you think this two face snake M&P is talking sense. he knows back in his mind that islam is fraud and also he is accepting Mo was following his feelings and desires and not any god still he is advocating islam to be religion from a god and Mo to be a prophet from god. i believe such two face sub humans should not be allowed and ousted when they accept defeat and they just keep on posting for EGO issues. Please dont mind if he reacts in his typical islamic way.
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The Sword is mightier than the Poem
written by Yibel , March 23, 2012
Before Muhammad’s Hijrah (Flight from Makkah to Yathrib/Madinah in 622), he used to sit in the assembly and invite the Makkans to Allah, reciting his revelations and warning them of Allah's punishment for mocking his prophets. Al-Nadr bin al-Harith would then follow him and speak about heroes and kings of Persia, saying: "By God, Muhammad cannot tell a better story than I, and his talk is only of old fables which he has copied as I have." On other days al-Nadr would interrupt Muhammad until the prophet silenced him. In reply to al-Nadir’s harassment, it is possible (scholars sometimes have difficulties matching up Quranic verses with historical events) that Allah sent down the following verses to Muhammad concerning him or certainly other mockers in Makkah, according to the account of Ibn Abbas, Muhammad’s cousin, who is considered a reliable transmitter of traditions:
Sahih International 25:4-5
And those who disbelieve say, "This [Qur'an] is not except a falsehood he invented, and another people assisted him in it." But they have committed an injustice and a lie.
And they say, "Legends of the former peoples which he has written down, and they are dictated to him morning and afternoon."
25:6 Say Prophet, "It was sent down by Him who knows the secrets of the heavens and earth. He is all forgiving and merciful." (MAS Abdel Haleem, The Qur’an, Oxford UP, 2004)

83:13 ... [W]hen Our revelations are recited to him, he says, "Ancient fables!"
14 No indeed! Their hearts are encrusted with what they have done.
15 No indeed! On that day they will be screened off from their Lord,
16 they will burn in Hell,
17 and they will be told, "This is what you call a lie." (Haleem)

Muhammad did not take revenge on Al-Nadr - not yet- even though the verses in Sura 83 promise a dismal eternal future for mockers. However, Muhammad’s revenge was not long coming. It was al-Nadir’s bad fortune to join the Makkan army, riding north to protect their caravan, which Muhammad attacked at the Battle of Badr in AD 624. The story-telling polytheist was captured, and on Muhammad’s return journey back to Yathrib, Ali, Muhammad’s son-in-law, at Muhammad’s order, beheaded him, instead of getting some possible ransom money. He was one of two prisoners who were executed and not allowed to be ransomed by their clans—all because they wrote poems and told stories critiquing Muhammad.

Source: Ibn Ishaq, The Life of Muhammad, trans. A. Guillaume, (Oxford UP, 1955, 2004), pp. 136 (Arabic pages 191-92); 163 / 236; 181 / 262; 308 / 458. Reputable historians today consider Ibn Ishaq to be a good source of early Islam.
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The uniqueness Of Mohammed the prophet of Islam
written by Clement- Islam-Watch Pastor , March 23, 2012
There are some things that stand Mohammed out as a unique messenger of Allah and these perhaps are the same things that made him to be rejected by the Jews and Christians of his time and even today. We should not lose sight of the fact that one man’s meat could be another man’s poison. This uniqueness of Mohammed is perhaps what makes him revered in Islam because this uniqueness is peculiar only to Islam as a religion.

Let look at these uniqueness of Mohammed.

1.Mohammed is the only Arab massager of Allah who claim descent from Abraham through Ishmael who had no covenant relationship with the God of Abraham but inherited to promise of wildness and violence against everyone else and who actually created a religion that so fulfilled his violent nature.

2.Mohammed is the only Massager of Allah and the last to receive his message through Angel only and was kept as recitals in the memories of people for more 30 years and was still claimed to maintain its veracity.
3.Mohammed is the only Messenger of Allah who was also a pedophile, a pirate, a mass murderer, a terrorist and an assassin.

4.Mohammed was unique as the only messenger of Allah who was given the libido of 30 men and has no limit as to the number of wives to marry or the number of concubines and sex slaves to bang and can commit incest with any of his near kin woman without being sinful.

5.Mohammed was unique as the only messenger of Allah who was made victorious through terror and was given 20% of every booty from every raid.

6.Mohammed was unique as the only Messenger of Allah without power to perform miracles but with the power of eloquent speech which equally works like magic to make people submit themselves to him.

7.Mohammed was unique as the only messenger of Allah who enjoys divine approval for every despicable act that could have landed him in prison or earned him death by stoning.
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Mozambique
written by Muslim and proud , March 23, 2012
IF you are truthful, you will provide the following details:

1 - The link to the article on which YOU asked me those 4 questions
2 - The date you asked me those 4 questions

Good luck and once again,any thanks for proving what you really are - make sure you congratulate ALL of your parents ;-)
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written by vbv , March 23, 2012
From the comments made by M&P , it seems that some scholars forbade the murdering of women ,not all , but it seems perfectly okay to murder men who criticise this fake sel;f-proclaimed and the sole "prophet" of islam the arab cult. This fraud who calls himself a prophet cannot face any criticism - it shows how weak is his "religion" that cannot be subjected to any questioning, criticism or scrutiny.It can survive only by threats, coercion and violence - which exposes its hollowness and sham.
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Vbv
written by Muslim and proud , March 23, 2012
There is not a single scholar who could prove the authenticity of the Hadith that has been quoted.

Maybe the loons might want to 'try' and prove it?

Good luck.
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@Mozambique
written by Editor, M A Khan , March 23, 2012
We do not ban anybody unless, one is inciting violence. Name-calling, vulgarities & spamming are other reasons for which we may bar somebody from commenting.

Please alert us to any such postings by M & P or anybody else, and we will take due actions.
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M&P
written by vbv , March 23, 2012
If the hadiths are false why muslims are following this extreme barbaric punishment for apostasy ? Ofcourse , hadiths were written and compiled by a central asian "Bukhari" on the basis of hearsay which was two hundred years after the death of Muhamad. I agree with you that all the Hadiths are plain concoctions , be it Sahi Bukhari or Sahi Muslim. What about quran? That was also compiled after the death of Muhamad by sifting various versions and ultimately collated by Uthman was the third of the socalled righteous caliphs. So righteous that all of them were butchered and died a violent death. And this is supposed to be the "Golden Era" of islam which lasted just 30 years after the death of Muhamad where all his four of the most favoured companions died soaked in blood. With so much turmoil , what can you expect peace and sanity ? Reason and progress? That is why all muslim countries are so backward.
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written by truthiocity , March 23, 2012
Wow they really came out in force over this one didn't they. Yet they never bother to offer arguments when bloggers attempt to spread things that are untrue or racist. They only attack and pile on the abuse when something hits the nail on the head. That is proof in and of itself of the validity of this.

So thanks for the verification guys.
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Vbv
written by Muslim and proud , March 23, 2012
I agree with you that all the Hadiths are plain concoctions , be it Sahi Bukhari or Sahi Muslim.


I don't recall saying the Hadith are concotions.

However, you have at least confirmed that you indeed believe them to be concotions.

If the hadiths are false why muslims are following this extreme barbaric punishment for apostasy ?


Please confirm your understanding of "Apostacy".
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Truthiocity
written by Malem , March 23, 2012
Where did people pile on you with abuse above? And if someone had that could never be consider proof to anything, if you understand the logic of arguments you would see this clearly. What was pointed out was the irony, or really foolishness of someone calling a certain thing a tale/false/story/bs and then turning around and asking for proof of defense of statements in that same thing. Sort of like saying that there is no way that there are flying elephants and that is a story, but prove to me that there are flying elephants...why? you just stated you dont believe so that case is closed.

The above cartoon which you are putting so much faith in is so far from the truth and taken so far out of context it is incredible. However if it were even the slightest bit true it still means nothing as it is not Quran.
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By their fruits ye shall know them
written by Walter Sieruk , March 23, 2012
From the murder of Asma bte Marwan all the way through time to the present day murders at the Jewish school in France as well as the other murderous evil around the world today that is because of Islam. This may be explained with the man who started it all, Muhammad. Who was and is a false prophet who started a false religion which has the results of much bloodshed and death. To such a man as Muhammad and the death cult he started, the words of Jesus may very much apply. For Jesus taught "beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolfs. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns ,or figs of thisles ? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a currupt tree bringth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannt bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit."
Matthew 7:15-18. [KJV]
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Timelines my dear Muslims :-)
written by 1proudkaffur4life , March 23, 2012
The “quooraan” did NOT drop down FINISHED out of the SKY at once. Allegedly this event took place after MuuHAMmel arrived in Yatrib /Medina. Who says that the profeet already received the “revelation” not to kill women? Besides a living woman can be used as a sex-toy or sold as a slave and be more useful.

OK lets say the Hadith is not reliable, one would have to question the motivation of a Muslim to make his “revered” profeet look real bad to put words like “no two goats will butt their heads over her” in his mouth. For me all this form of “defense” (a source is not reliable) only tells me people COULD change the “teachings” of the quooran and the allegedly sayings of stoned-gawd allahs last massager, as well as the deeds of the early muslims.

Muslims eagerly point to the “Christians” according to Muslims as a matter of FACT changed the “original” words of the Bible, here now some admit that some early Muslims “invented” Hadiths . Fine and at the same time insist that the quooran was never changed by humans after the death of the profeet. If humans could invent sayings, deed in the Bible and hadiths, why not change the quooran? After the change happend, and the earlier sources are destroyed, who would known what happened?

Also this whole issue points to another reason why through ISLAM there can never be a peaceful world, as this problem goes down to the core of the Sunni/Shia split. One strand of Muslims hold these hadiths as dear, while the others reject them As long as this split remains, a peaceful world (even if it were a Islamic goal) could NEVER happen.

To the Muslims here, which englisch-language version of the quooran do you use and consider it to be authentic?

For me the quooran alone is so foolish, it does not take some “questionable” hadiths to reject it. Unfortunately since there are some Muslims who accept these as good examples then these Muslims act upon it.

“six days of creation” is a day 1.000 or 50.000 years? Remember this comes straight out of the “quooraan”...

It is about time Verse 2:106 is being applied to the WHOLE qooraaan :-)
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muslim and proud
written by vbv , March 24, 2012
That both the Quran and Hadiths are concoctions can be seen from their shallowness and their fixations on this fraud and selfproclaimed 'prophet' . There is nothing spiritual in either nor any great philosophy. Just abjectly submit to the mullahs who claim tobe the selfappointed representatives of this barbaric arab Muhamad. The other day I watching the Peace TV , mullah was giving a lecture about how to be a true muslim/momin. He was telling that you should love this man who supposedly lived in the early 7th century AD more than you love your father ,mother, your children or your wife and even yourself. He also says that in the cause of propogating islam ,one should be willing to even sacrifice all his wealth , willing to forsake all your relations.....etc And he was going on on these lines with extreme zeal. That means uyou could murder your father , mother, sons, daughters,brothers,sisters,etc for the sake of islam. That is you become a brainwashed zombie carrying out the will of these scoundrels calling themselves mullahs/muftis/imams,etc. And the very same mullah was driving a luxury sedan gleefully after this tirade. So much for islam, the concocted bullshit for scoundrels to exploiit the gullible masses.
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@VBV and peace TV
written by Infidel and More Proud , March 24, 2012
The founder of peace TV is a taqia artist who has plagarised books from Ahmadis and published them in his name.
Zakir is a makkir and he has been invited by aryaveer a number of times for debate but he slips away as a snake.

And as pointed out by the pearly boy in a thread Wahabism is a extermist form of Islam he is a Wahabi therfore an exteremist. Its his brother telling us this fact not me.
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Muslims should admit they are not really interested in the truth only for truth's sake
written by Demsci , March 24, 2012
Jack R had a good point, Muslims reject unfavorable texts, deemed historical by many, including many Muslims. They also demand proof, showing they try to discern the truth from the myths. With unfavorable texts they are exemplary with being critical and discerning.

But ... when it comes to exercising the same critical attitude about the official story of Mohammed, they fail totally. They have already decided to believe that story, ever since it was told them as a little child. And in which story they have ever since invested most of their life.

But that means that it is not truth for the sake of finding the highest truth that Muslims are after, hardly a one of them. No, they are motivated more than by truthseeking by love of fellow-Muslims, being a good member of the Ummah, dread of being ostracized or killed because of apostasy, and going to hell in the afterlife, gambling instead on a pleasant afterlife.

Muslims should treat all stories about Mohammed and Islam the same, not just being critical and discerning and proof-demanding the unfavorable ones.
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A NEW FASHION
written by VRM , March 24, 2012
It is fashionable among muslims now to refuse to accept authenticity of Islamic sources, which they claimed to be reliable not far back. Bring up anything embarrassing and they will start shouting, that is not authentic, that narrator is not reliable etc., knowing fully well that they are lying. They now disown Ishaqe, ibn saad, tabari, ibn kathir even bukhari and muslim. Submitters have gone as far as disowning everything except Qur'an. So, what remains?
Pathetic.
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Vrm
written by Malem , March 24, 2012
You are incorrect, if you had read the Quran you would see Allah was very well aware that men who might not have the best in mind for others, might try and change the Quran or add to it. What Allah said was the Quran is the only word and there shall be no other. So when you ask what Remains if you only have the Quran? You have pure Islam as Allah had provided to Muhammed.
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Vrm
written by Muslim and proud , March 24, 2012
Bring up anything embarrassing and they will start shouting, that is not authentic, that narrator is not reliable etc., knowing fully well that they are lying.


Do YOU believe to be factual, the things you 'bring up'?

Please confirm.
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@ Malman the Quran only Muslim and the others
written by Infidel and More Proud , March 24, 2012
1. Malman please tell the verse from quran that advices dirk Peeling?
2. Is your dirk peeled?
3. Does dirk peeling not make one imperfect when you were given a perfect body by Allah

Why Muslims pray 5 times when there are three prayers only in quran?
1- Salat Al-Fajr (Dawn Prayer)24:58
2- Salat Al-Isha (Night Prayer)24:58
3- Al-Salat Al-Wusta (The Middle Prayer) 2:238.

4- Please show the verse from Quran that guides the rakas?
5- Please show the verse that guides the travelers Rakas or Salat?
6- Please show the verse that guides which salat are silent and the ones that are not?
7- Please show the finger moving verse in Quran and why one moves it?


So what guides these if they are not present in Quran?
How can one be a Quran only muslim for he is bound to follow all this even when not present in the book?
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Infeidel
written by Malem , March 24, 2012
Your comments on dirk do not exist in the Quran thus are not part of Islam, only your fantasies. There is only 3 prayers per day , if you want 5 or 10 that is up to you, the Quran only indicates 3....
Quran is the only word, end of story.
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Malem
written by Jye's sister , March 25, 2012
Quranists, to the vast majority of Muslims, are considered more of an infidel that us non-believers. When the shiite hits the fan, you might find yourself needing the support of those you label as "kuffar", since what is really TREASON in Islam is denying the Hadiths and the Sunnah.
Sunnis (making up 90% of Islam, and considered to be mainstream traditional Muslims) attack and murder the Shiites. Sunnis, attack and murder the Sufis. What do you think the Sunnis will do to you westernized, "Quranists"?
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Quran only 'malem'
written by Kafirwala , March 25, 2012

Malem unashamedly declares that there are only three arse liftings needed in a day according to Quran. I don't think the other muslim chauvinists who show their ugly face in these columns and who always call him 'bro' and are engaged in mutual bottom scratching will agree with him in this respect. Last year I think, our friend this Malem made a comment that, Saudi Arabia is ruled by wahabis, Iran by shias and Syria and Egypt by some other sects (I don't remember the names) and none of these countries follow Quran and therefore cannot be called true Islamic countries and any of their action should not be quoted as having Quranic sanction. I then asked this dude, there are 57 or 58 members in the OIC (Organisation of Islamic countries) and you tell us the name of one Islamic country which is governed under your lofty Islamic precepts and principles. The fool had no answer. I ask him again, show one so-called Islamic country in the world which is a true Islamic country governed according to pure Quranic teachings alone according to him. I am sure he cannot name even one. If not even one country is there among the 57 or 58 countries, what is the meaning? My answer is this - his Quranic concepts are all utopian, even though it emanates from the so called demonic Allah. This fool does not understand it, though day in and day out he trumpets about Quran. I don't think his other butt scratching muslim bigots also will agree with his opinions.
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Right, Jye's sister, Malem only defends and denies responsibility of his Islam-version.
written by Demsci , March 25, 2012
Right Jye's sister, Malem is defending only his version of Islam, Quran-only-Islam, not Islam as it exists and is believed by hundreds of millions of Muslims. He should humbly distinquish between the various versions of Islam and be more clear. Now he is confusing and obfuscating. It impairs his credibility and other people's trust in him.

And another point; Malem is always denying bad influence and responsibility of Islam on actual behavior of self-confessed Muslims. I like to tell him that that game of denial can be extended to all good influence and responsibility of Islam for good behavior of self-confessed Muslims which can likewise be denied.

That means that all or most good behavior by Muslims really comes from good influence of "culture" or democratic and human rights influence and that that is despite Islam, not thanks to it.

And that means that Muslims behaving well may well be misunderstanding Islam. And that further means that we, the democratic people should not make the mistake of painting all Muslims with good brush, just because of the good actions of a few good Muslims. It means we want proof of the good influence of Islam on Muslims and we do not take it for granted anymore.

It seems better to me to try to judge as honestly as we can all good and bad actions of self-confessed Muslims instead of always denying, denying, denying, in the face of countless bad actions of self-confessed Muslims.
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Addams Family
written by Muslim and proud , March 25, 2012
Sunnis (making up 90% of Islam, and considered to be mainstream traditional Muslims) attack and murder the Shiites. Sunnis, attack and murder the Sufis. What do you think the Sunnis will do to you westernized, "Quranists"?


Where did you get the 90% from?

Please provide the evidence.
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lol
written by Jye's sister , March 25, 2012
Where did you get the 90% from?

Please provide the evidence.


further case in point. Muslim and Proud cannot refute my argument, so he's deflecting back on me.
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Addams Family
written by Muslim and proud , March 25, 2012
further case in point. Muslim and Proud cannot refute my argument, so he's deflecting back on me.


Lol

So you claim that 90% of muslims are Sunnis.

I ask you for evidence.

And you regard this to be "deflecting"................Lol

Let's put this "logic" into a real life example eh?

My neighbour claims that I spat on their.
I ask for evidence.
My neighbour accuses me of deflecting the argument back to them.......

Hilarious

ROLF
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Clarification
written by Muslim and proud , March 25, 2012
"My neighbour claims that I spat on their CAR"
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Which Quoooraaan?
written by 1proudkaffur4life , March 25, 2012
Will the Muslims here point me to the "one" quooraan they are using? After all I do not wantr to use Versions which could be wrongly translated..... who knows if the "Noble" quooraan belongs to this group of unreliable versions....
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Wikipedia gives a source:
written by 1proudkaffir4life , March 25, 2012
Footnote #8

Islamic Beliefs, Practices, and Cultures. Marshall Cavendish. 2010. p. 352. ISBN 0761479260. Retrieved December 19, 2011. "A common compromise figure ranks Sunnis at 90 percent and Shias at 10 percent."

If this number is not correct, then the guilt lies with the "Scholar" who published it.
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Correction of
written by 1proudkaffir4life , March 25, 2012
the above footnote at wikipedia gives more sources. the "lowest" number for sunnis is at "75%" and the highest at 90%
Of course this whole issue is a smokescreen trying to deflect from the issue that "critics" of Islam & MuuHAmel since the early times could be killed. Even ONE such death is ONE TOO MANY!
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Uqba, the poet joins Muhammad's Dead Poet Society
written by Yibel , March 25, 2012
A similar story as that of al-Nadir (see post of March 23) can be told about Uqba bin Abu Muayt. He too harassed and mocked Muhammad in Makkah and wrote derogatory verses about him. He too was captured during the Battle of Badr (March, 624CE), and Muhammad ordered him to be executed. "But who will look after my children, O Muhammad?" Uqba cried with anguish. "Hell," retorted the "prophet" coldly.

Then the sword of one of Muhammad's followers cut through Uqba’s neck.

Source: Bukhari, vol. 4, no. 2934; Muslim, vol. 3, nos. 4422, 4424; Ibn Ishaq, p. 308 / 458. Bukhari and Muslim are reliable collectors and editors of the hadith (words and deeds of Muhammad outside of the Quran).

Muhammad calling on Allah for revenge on poets:

Sura 26:221. Shall I inform you.
(O people!), on whom it is
That the evil ones descend?

222. They descend on every
Lying, wicked person,

223. (Into whose ears) they pour
Hearsay vanities, and most
Of them are liars.

224. And the Poets,—
It is those straying in Evil,
Who follow them:
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@ Pearly boy - Sunni et al and numbers
written by Infidel and More Proud , March 25, 2012
What difference does it make if it is 75%-90% or X %

Do we care. For example if a large number dies in some event. As they keep dying like flies I mean all suicide bombings. And also keep multiplying in the same way so the net result is positive.
So lets not split hairs on the rest of 72 sects and 1000s of subsects.

Now sunnis are more then all and the point is......
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@Pearly boy and marriage age inmanusamriti
written by Infidel and More Proud , March 25, 2012
The verse that you gave from manusamriti translates as ..

""Three years let a damsel wait, though she be marriageable; but after that time let her choose for herself a bridegroom Let a maid wait for three years after she is marriageable (has begun to menstruate) and then let her choose for herself a husband, who is her equal. There is no indication in the above (Buhler's or normal translations of Manusmriti) that a girl will be ready for marriage by the age of eight or nine yrs. In any case, the second interpretation, indicating the marriage age for a girl probably at fifteen or sixteen yrs. (at least three years after being marriageable or menstruating perhaps), seems quite logical."

Where does it say that a man should marry 8 year old girl.

There are many other samritis and purans which have been confused with manus works and if you need full text on position of women in manu-smiriti I am more then happy to provide you the url.
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there are too many Islams
written by safa , March 26, 2012
Once you show muslims something bad, they will refuse it and say "No no, you do not understand, its bla bla bla"

This is typical muslim behaviour. I am an ex muslim. I know them very well.f
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hadiths
written by safa , March 26, 2012
Muslims preach by following what hadiths say. So HADITHS ARE FATAL FOR ISLAM! You can not ignore that.

Some hadiths which are peaceful will be used by muslims to show us Islam is peaceful.
Some hadiths which are senseless, cruel, inhumane will be ignored by muslims. And once you show them these hadiths they will surely say, "No they are not reliable" Do you guys know what is more funnier? Even some islamic shit heads accept those inhumane hadiths. Actually we do not need hadiths to see how bad Islam is. Quran is enough.
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...
written by Anon , March 26, 2012
If what the Muslims say that Hadith is not authenticated, then that leaves whole of the Quran meaningless. The Hadith provides the chronology of events which the Quran lacks. If what the Muslims say is true, then there's no credibility of Islam. Muslim should abandone Islam.
Read more on
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/
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Hadths
written by 1proudkaffir4life , March 26, 2012

The sole claim to Jerusalem Temple-mount as a holy site in Islam, rests also on a Hadith, the famous "night journey to Jerusalem". Forget the al aska mosque which was built later (as a rival to Mecca). The ascent to heaven was made from Jerusalem. Now if one rejects the Hadith there would be nothing left to base any claim over the Temple-mount, as MUuHAMmel was NEVER there, and the Jewish Temple he allegedly met with all the "AT" big-shots (Moses and CO) as well as Jesus was as ruin and the event never took place. This same Hadith speaks also of how this lice-ridden profeet went up to meet allah and on route he visited seven heavens, Jesus was in the second heaven...
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Putting the Qur'an in chronolgical order
written by Yibel , March 26, 2012
The following surahs are from the Madinah era: 2, 8, 3, 33, 60, 4, 99, 57, 47, 13, 55, 76, 65, 98, 59, 24, 22, 63, 58, 49, 66, 64, 61, 62, 48, 5, 9, and 110.
These surahs contain the violent jihad verses and references to the various battles that the Muslims engaged in with the Makkans and the raids on caravans and the local Jewish tribes for obtaining booty. If read in order, the Qur'an makes much more sense.

Muhammad and his followers had no means of support - making a living - after escaping from Makkah, so Muhammad resorted to looting caravans and murdering and robbing defenseless civilians to support his followers. He had to justify these crimes, so he came up with all sorts of reasons, like shirk and they deserved it and Allah says we should, etc.

Of course, some Muslims don't like the aHadith because they fill in the overall information that is glossed over in the Qur'an itself and reveal the true nature of Islam - a military cult bent on world domination.

The Quran plainly tells Muslims that they are a favored group, while those of other religions are “perverted transgressors”:

Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book ( that is, Christians and Jews) had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors. (3:110)

The Quran makes it clear that Islam is not about universal brotherhood, but about the brotherhood of believers:

The Believers are but a single Brotherhood (49:10)

And not all men are equal under Islam. The Quran introduces the “Law of Inequality,” which establishes different levels of human value (2:178). In fact, much of the Quran is devoted to distinguishing Muslims from non-Muslims and impugning the latter.

Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves… (48:29)

The Quran Dehumanizes Non-Muslims and Says that They are Vile Animals:

The Ayatollah Khomeini, who dedicated his entire life to studying Islam, said that non-Muslims rank somewhere between "feces" and the "sweat of a camel that has consumed impure food."

Allah only loves those who obey Muhammad, at least according to Muhammad!!!
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@ Quran subject matter experts i.e Pearly Boy, RZQ
written by Infidel and More Proud , March 26, 2012
What is the significance of verse 2:2 and 17:88?

Please enlighten!
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Yibel
written by Muslim and proud , March 27, 2012
Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves… (48:29)


Go back four verses and you will realise why:

(48:25) They are the ones who disbelieved and barred you from the Inviolable Mosque and prevented the animals you had designated for sacrifice from reaching the place of their offering.

It's a shame that you have a habit of picking out verses and writing essays - which in actual fact is a complete waste of time for you as the one example above proves.
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Jye
written by MAlem , March 27, 2012
You should read the Quran and it is very clear on other texts or sects etc.. It is Allahs word, period. Not a story, not a passed down fable, not man made. Quranists is a label, I dont use them. There are Muslims in Islam only, when you start dividing into sects, groups etc.. you invite satan into your heart and destroy the very thing you are trying to protect.

kafirwala, they are not arse liftings as you call them, they are times of prayers. If again you read the quran, there is nothing in there about a certain method etc.. on prayer, really it is about being focused and spending time with Allah.
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Malem
written by Kafirwala , March 27, 2012

OK, it is not arse lifting, but your spending time with your Allah and there is no mention of a certain method of doing it in the Quran and only three times you need do it in a day, according to you. Well, my question is, how many of your other bum scratching buddies will agree with you in this respect i.e. your three time praying? You also advise that one should not divide muslims in Islam into sects, groups etc. and if you do so, you will be inviting Satan into your heart. Well, who said that Saudi Arabia is ruled by Wahabbis, Iran by shias, Syria by Alawites etc. and none of these countries is a true Islamic country based on governance by the Quran? I think it is you who put forth that opinion some time back. Why you allowed Satan to enter your heart then? Do you still hold that view? If the answer is yes, tell us the name of at least one Islamic country that is beautifully governed under Quranic principles. Why you are ducking the question? If not, what is your rationale for the unending turmoil, strifes and chaos and the worst inhuman treatment of non- muslims and the blatant human right violations reported from these barbarian countries? I am sure you will have no answer. I think you are an opportunist. According to the occasion, you will change your opinion. A real chameleon!
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To Malem
written by Yibel , March 28, 2012
"kafirwala, they are not arse liftings as you call them, they are times of prayers. If again you read the quran, there is nothing in there about a certain method etc.. on prayer, really it is about being focused and spending time with Allah."

How about Yoga then? Why are Muslims so against this Indian method of prayer? The Hindus are just being focused and spending time with a creator god. Maybe they don't call him/it/whatever by the Arabic word, but it is really is the same thing according to your interpretation of the Qur'an! Or how about the Lord's Prayer of the Christians? What have Muslims got against the Christians? Or the Jews?

And what's with those prayer beads? Did you know that the Muslims probably got the idea from the Catholics? And those minerats? Did you know that they came from the Zorastrian Towers of Silence!! Along with Muhammad's doctrine of paradise (Jannat Al-Firdous) and his concept of angels. And the birth of Isa is really the story of the birth of the Buddha. Hindu and Zorastrian!!!

And all Muhammad's so-called Bible stories are all mixed up - Story of Saul (a Jew)was really Gideon; the story of the birth of Miriam was taken from the story of the birth of the prophet Samuel (an Israelite Judge); the story of the Egyptian Pharaoh included Haman, an Agagite and vizier in the court of a Persian king, and even included the building of the tower of Babel in Mesopotamia. And KIng Solomon (also a Jew BTW) controls jinn and demons - LOL. And how about the story of King David (also a Jew) and the sheep - in Muhammad's tale THEY REALLY ARE SHEEP!!!!! What a HOOT!!!

BTW, isn't "kafirwala" a really bad term?

Kuffar (pl.), and the entire body of a Kafir (sing.), including his hair and nails, and all liquid substances of his body, are najis. Najis are things which cannot be purified (made Pak), in contrast to things which are only defiled (mutanajis). An infidel i.e. a person who does not believe in Allah and His Oneness, is najis. The following ten things are essentially najis: Urine, Feces, Semen, Dead body, Blood,
Dog, Pig, KAFIR, Alcoholic liquors, and the sweat of an animal who persistently eats najasat.

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