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A disappointed Pakistani Christian's Open Letter to Muslim Pakistanis

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Pak Tribune ran an open letter of a disappointed Pakistani Christian about his torturous existence in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan...


Dear Pakistani Muslims,

Pakistan has been hell for my family and me.

Yes, we get Christmas and have a few churches here and there and attend the same schools as the rest of you, but life as Christian minorities has been torture for us.

I had to carpool  in a public van to a convent school that had the richest and most influential of Pakistani Muslims in attendance. I shared class rooms with the most spoilt and unforgiving spawn of business tycoons, politicians, smugglers and architects who called me a “karanti”.

A karanti is a derogatory, slang term for dark Christians, because of course being born as a “darkie” in Pakistan automatically makes you ugly and unimportant with horrible marriage prospects – if any at all. They also degraded my father because he could not afford to drive me to school in a tinted, bullet proof Land Cruiser.

My father’s ‘shameful’ salary as an accounts teacher was not substantial enough for us to mingle with the creme de la creme of Defense; a dingy apartment in Nazimabad and a sputtering motor bike was all we could afford.

Many of the Muslim kids refused to share food with me, nor would they take a bite or sip from anything I may have consumed. I have had girls tell me point blank that their parents have instructed them never to sit and eat with people of other faiths because it’s haraam (forbidden). I will tell you what’s haraam; teaching your children to hate instead of love…that’s what’s haraam.

I will never forget an incident in school during a physical education class when, as I was passing the volley ball to a Muslim girl, her eyes suddenly shot daggers at me and she screeched:

Why do you wear that cross with an idol on it?

“This is my prophet…Jesus”, I said in a hoarse whisper because mother had always told me never to argue with people about religion.

“Just like you wear that Allah around your neck, I wear the cross.”

“Idol worshipping is haraam, and the Prophet hated idol worshippers. You are a kafir (disbeliever)”

The word kafir has resonated within me forever. I was marked, stamped and stained for life as if a member of the kachra class in India.

Gradually, my cousins, aunts and uncles began migrating. My father was offered a sponsorship visa but he refused, saying his duty was to serve and protect Pakistan no matter how many Christians were killed, executed for false blasphemy cases, paraded naked in village streets and discriminated against in every way.

My mother and I begged him to reconsider.

We asked him to think about the worsening situation of fanaticism in the country and what it could mean for us one day, however he was resilient in his patriotic thinking, putting his service into educating Pakistani children before anything else -even his own family.
I have always felt emotionally and mentally restricted in this country, unable to voice an opinion on anything remotely related to politics or religion, while many of my cousins and relatives continue to live freely in the West.

What I find strange is that I have done my Islamic research because I wanted to know the reason behind the rising hatred toward anyone remotely non-Muslim, and contrary to popular belief Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh) was generous and kind to members of various faiths. It is after reading much of his work that I have concluded that it is not Islam that is the problem at all, it is the wretched people who claim to be Muslims but have hatred, racism and religious stigma engrained in their core.

No matter how many Taseers are born, there will always be a Mumtaz Qadri in almost every strata of Pakistani society ready to kill, and many will defend this action even at the highest political levels.
So, my dear Pakistan, tell me – where shall I go?

Is it fair that we are practicing our religion in a phobic way? Is it fair that I no longer wear my cross because someone may take offence to it?

Jinnah wanted to create a state that would encourage freedom of religion. Today, not only have you all failed Jinnah but you have taken a religion of peace and manipulated it to terrorise us. We cannot be silenced for long.

As Abraham Lincoln said:

If by the mere force of numbers a majority should deprive a minority of any clearly written constitutional right, it might, in a moral point of view, justify a revolution.

Yours sincerely,

A disappointed Pakistani Christian

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To the author of the letter
written by Rzq , March 30, 2012
My brother I hope you and your family are safe.
My advice to you would be to leave Pakistan with your family and move. Remember everything can be replaced apart from your life and health. Pakistan has many problems as you well know. Some of the religious bigots preaching in pakistan allow Muslim on Muslim murders. Those people will not care a jot about you. I understand your sentiment about wanting to serve the country. Remember you could still serve the people from outside the borders too. It makes your service no less valid. I'm sure you know there are Muslims in Pakistan who would give the shirts of their backs if you asked, unfortunately in Pakistan the Muslims have declined in their faith and it looks like it will get worse before it gets better!
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@ RZQ
written by Infidel and More proud , March 30, 2012
This is probably the best and the most honest post written by you on this forum.
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Final warning to all humanity
written by Muhammad (P.B.U.H) , March 30, 2012
My followers are crazy (just like me)....... They only understand the language of violence. So just beat them to submission ! In my Quran, I have told my followers to Kill, Rape, Murder all non-Muslims. If you don't believe it, just read the Quran.

The new Shahada is:
La ilaha Allah
Zakir Naikur Rasulullah

Meaning:
There is no Allah.
Zakir Naik is the Final Prophet.
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@ Mohammed
written by Infidel and More Proud , March 30, 2012
Zakir = Makkir

Say it loud say it clear.
Is it clear to you?
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Country called PAKISATAN does not belong in civilized free world with freedom,peace and love
written by shahid-kafir , March 30, 2012
The monster JINNA and the followers of another monster MO stole the land from freedom,peace loving ,progressive,liberealists ,humanists - called HINDUS , by threats, intimidation, killings,violence and civil war . As Will durant - the AMERICAN historian truly described that the invasion,destruction and loot,murder,rape by ISLAMISTS in INDIA was the bloodiest saga in the annals of human history.
We all would like to see that MOSLEMS of PAKISTAN will have enlightenment and wake up from the slavery of ISLAM and renounce ISLAM, denounce IS:LAM and come back to their glorious and noble ancestral faith of sanatana DHARMA -.
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RZQ
written by Fineliving56 , March 30, 2012
I am using this thresad to answer a qustion under another Article which is closed .

RZQ …

if you are interested in the truth … I will be glad to explain the meaning of the word ''

Yatmothohonah … means …..to menstruate … to have menaces … for women

Another with the same spelling with different meaning …

* to take the virginity of a girl *…

The only way to the difference is placement of the word in the sentence.

The tafseer [ explanation] book that I have since forever, when I was a student and still have with me here say match my explanation …. and All My Teachers who taught me the meaning of that Aya said the same .

the explanation to that word is :

* Lam yatmothonah * … means …. as '' girls who never menstruated yet * …

Lam when it comes before a word … becomes, negetive for a while … example … * girls who never menstruated yet

Lan ….when it comes before a word … the word becomes, negitive for ever … example … * girls who will never menstruated *

So as you can see … in 55 / 74 … it says lam yatmothonah which it clearly explains it with out any doubt …

now ….

The Translation book I bought here in the US and authored by Professor Syed Ahmad American Muslim. He really tried to soften the blow [ and in so many parts of Quran too ] by explain it differently ….

[ which it is wrong and deceiving … I do not blame him … the real meaning is shameful …..so he tried to tweak it … like many of other translator who trying to do …

The tearm '' Lost in translation '' is comen to use to fool the masses

He translated that Aya like this :

* [ Horun] [ beautiful virgins ] whom no man or Jinn has ever before touched *

Now … touched is in Arabic is * lamsa * where do you see the word Lams in that Aya ??? … no where !!!.. he did even try to translate the actual word .

He was trying to give it a softer, more PG rating …. but the truth is …[ I hope you are interested in the truth] …. the meaning of the actual word, in that Aya is *women menstruating*
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rzq
written by malem , March 30, 2012
Excellent response and note to the article author, could not have said it better.
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Fineliving666
written by Muslim and proud , March 30, 2012
You are a fake - you are not an Arab and you are not an ex-muslim

(55:72) There shall be maidens sheltered in tents
(55:73) Which of the favours of your Lord will you then deny?
(55:74) No man or jinn ever touched them before

You are delluded.

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Shahid Kafir Hindu
written by Muslim and proud , March 30, 2012
The monster JINNA and the followers of another monster MO stole the land from freedom,peace loving ,progressive,liberealists ,humanists - called HINDUS , by threats, intimidation, killings,violence and civil war .


It is called Independence.

We all would like to see that MOSLEMS of PAKISTAN will have enlightenment and wake up from the slavery of ISLAM and renounce ISLAM, denounce IS:LAM and come back to their glorious and noble ancestral faith of sanatana DHARMA -.


You need to ask your baghwan for some help - then go to Pakistan and say this.

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Muslim .... hahaha
written by fineliving56 , March 30, 2012
I must have touched on something very sensitive deep down your,[ advocate of Murder of ex Muslims ] soul ... for you to say such a thing ... haha

If this is, your way of force me to reveal my name so you will send someone who actually kill apostates because you are too chicken to do it your self ... it is not going to work ... Muslim !!!

If it was not for my children and grandchildren I would do it ... Just to prove you wrong again ...

if I do ... Do I have to hire a body guard?
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admin
written by rzq , March 30, 2012
please let my post through of the arabic grammer breakdown for fineliving
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Rzq
written by Amboyduke , March 30, 2012
To the author of the letter
written by Rzq , March 30, 2012

I agree with "infidel and More proud" on his comment about this post from you.
Rzq, how can you say something so reasonable and well thought out as this, and STILL want to belong to islam?

The "radicals" in islam are winning...
(that is, as far as defining and giving direction to islam is concerned)
Surely you must know that; and you also must know that those "radicals" are following the koran to the letter.
Yet, you still want to be part of this depraved "religion".

I can't understand that.

I was raised as a Lutheran. As I got older and started to use my God given mind, I started to reason and see the hypocricy that is rampant in ALL religions.
Of course, the churches of Christendom were the ones I examined first, and although there are some very good people associated with some of these organizations, the blatant twisting of "scripture" to suit each groups version of Christianity just didn't make any sense to me.
Don't get the idea I have a "holier than thou" attitude...on the contrary, I am a big old hypocrite and far, far, far from a decent human being.
I guess you could call me a "maverick" when it comes to religion.
But I do TRY and apply the Golden Rule...and, yes, it is impossible...but I TRY.
I won't shit on anyone intentionally, and I don't want anyone to shit on me...
and by and large, this works.

But I know a bunch of shit when I see it, and I can't fathom how anyone would want to be grouped in with islam.
THINK, man...you obviously have a brain in that skull of your's...and honestly...really and truly, even if you WANTED to change islam, how realistic is that?
The only way I can see it change, is if it completely self destructs from within.
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unfortunately in Pakistan the Muslims have declined in their faith and it looks like it will get worse before it gets better!

Do you think it's ONLY in Pakistan?
And to most people who have read the koran, it would appear as though those muslims that you say have "declined in their faith" are actually growing in their faith and their application of what the koran REALLY says...?
It appears that way all over the middle east...as well as the west....
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To Rzq
written by Archpagan , March 31, 2012
As regards your post to Shahid-kafir, I am to inform you that no Hindu considers Allah to be different from Bhagwan; but we do not think Koran is authored by Allah. Bhagwan is merciful and kind to all, believers non-believers alike.

Pakistanis are all descendants of nincompoops who were converted as Muslim by force/coercion. So, we have very little worry for them. We will revert them back to their ancestral way whenever we are pleased to do so.
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@ pearly Boyz and (55:74) No man or jinn ever touched them before
written by Infidel and More proud , March 31, 2012
(55:74) No man or jinn ever touched them before

Do jinns go into Muslim women?

Must be muslim Jinns.
Malman for you are a doctor, believer in jinns please give some example of union between jinn and Muslim women and how jinss without shape do it??
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sari bahas bekar hai
written by Shamit , March 31, 2012
for those who are angree for this letter

please answer one of the folowing question


1. is there any one muslim in the world who can say that he is Muslim and follows all the rules and regulations as they are in true meaning.

2. where are the signs now of Almighty now.

3. why there is no Prophet after Mohammad (just for hunger of fame of Mohammad).

i know there is not true answer.
so all you fake muslims keep you dirty mouth shut and stop spreading shit.
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muslim and proud
written by vbv , March 31, 2012
Every paki thinks that his ancestry is in arabia. How? Simple , they are proud to be products of rape and sex-slavery under the arabs; though their actual lineage is traced to hindus. They still speak punjabi, sindhi, baluchi, gujurathi, pashtoon,etc not arabic. Such is the poison of islam that it makes its converts hate and revile their own heritage and culture in favour of arab arse-licking and slavish submission to arab dogmas and brutal barbaric cultof islam.
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Archpagan
written by Rzq , March 31, 2012
"Pakistanis are all descendants of nincompoops who were converted as Muslim by force/coercion. So, we have very little worry for them. We will revert them back to their ancestral way whenever we are pleased to do so"
With what??? How????
Chief of staff general vk Singh says you are running our of tank shells, no night vision capability, no armour, 70% of air defence is obselete, missile programme has run into difficulty( brahmos, the Agni and the peithvi are just about second generation). Until you take delivery of the French aircrafts, India is a sitting duck!!!
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Vbv
written by Rzq , March 31, 2012
"Every paki thinks that his ancestry is in arabia. How?"
How do you figure that? That's rubbish! Why would you think Pakistanis are Arabs?
You of all people should know better! In the context of history 1947 happened yesterday. North of the LOC are the same people as the south of the LOC.
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rzq
written by vbv , March 31, 2012
a typical muslim response. General V.K.Singh says that India is woefully short of ammunition. So ,you are asking how can you make the pakis revert to their origins. You do not need weapons like muslims to convert these misled people , you need enlightenment to make them see their cultural heritage , some of which is still there in Pakistan like Harrappa and Mohenjadaro , or the various hindu and budhist sites and the 5,000 years of common shared history with India, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Nepal and SriLanka when great sages ,budhist scholars freely traversed the length and breadth of this subcontinent spreading education, freethinking,building universities and schools of secular learning. It is the mind that requires opening up and broadening its perspective not bombs and bullets ( the way a typical muslimaddresses any issue like chopping off limbs, stoning to death, chopping off the heads, whipping and lashing in public , gunning down dissent, bombing out uprising and the like).
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@ RZQ and "India is a sitting duck!!! "
written by Infidel and More Proud , March 31, 2012
Bring it on lets see some fireworks.

Let there be some atom smashing instead.
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Infidull
written by Rzq , March 31, 2012
Both countries are smart enough to know that it's not worth it.
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To Rzq
written by Archpagan , March 31, 2012
All Muslims living in geographical India (i. e. India, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc.) are ethnic Hindus but maniac Arab. That's their true identity. As told by my old friend vbv, the Arabian ghost can be exorcised from their head through enlightenment. More than Indian A/bomb the Pakistanis dread ancient scholars like Panini and Chanakya, who are their ancestors. Pakistan still survives because there is practically no Hindu 'DAWA'.

Pakistanis have better weapons but far inferior human resources. In the Indo-Pak battle of 1965, American Patton tanks failed to withstand onslaught of India Arjun, because Patton tanks were manned by the Pakistanis.
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Archpagan/ vbv
written by Rzq , March 31, 2012
The indopak situation is only solved via dialogue. Both countries can sabre rattle now and again but they are smart enough to know "nobody wins" is the outcome.
As for history, pre 47 they both have the same history. As for Hindu dawa, I think you boys needs to look hard at what's happening in India right now. Western christondom is looking at India with envious eyes. You are being systematically harvested village to cities. Some of you Hindus are awake but not many.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/suhag-a-shukla-esq/harvesting-souls-yields-c_b_817793.html

Have a good read! Then google the Joshua project and see what's happening in India
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Vbv/Archoagan
written by Rzq , March 31, 2012
See below:

http://christianwatchindia.wordpress.com/category/pastor/
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@ Archpagan, vbv and Rzq hindu DAWA in action
written by Infidel and More Proud , March 31, 2012
http://agniveer.com/6315/when-...thers-met/

Some still remember their roots. i.e. their origion....
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PAKISTAN the hell hole of terrorism,hatred,killings, violence.
written by shahid-kafir , March 31, 2012
I urge all PAKIS to chose and live like good human beings, with kindness,compassion, tolerance, peace,love,freedom, equality of all religions, equality of women , nondogmatic. It is further urged that you must know truth, facts and history. Read QQUURRAAN, SIRA, HADITHS. Know the bloodiest history OF ISLAM. LOOK at any ISLAMIC society .Look at any ISLAMIC country . Ofcourse, first and foremost ,you must be honest, truthful,impassionate, with impeccable integrity. Then only you ask questions and you will find answers. Who wants to live in a MOSLEM country ? WHO wants to live a life of slavery under ISLAM , without using your intelligence,thinking ? ISLAM is slavery . You are not allowed to think or ask questions . ISLAM is based on lies,hatred, ill will, animosity against unbelievers. ISLAM is negative ,primitive theology with blood thristy ideology. I expect all educated youth ,young girls, educated girls, boys to renounce and denounce ISLAM and join the humanism and experience the bliss,peace,happiness. Don't let the time pass by. Don't waste your precious lives. Join the liberal,progressive, humanist forces with your hearts and minds open.
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PAKISTAN the hell hole of terrorism,hatred,killings, violence.
written by shahid-kafir , March 31, 2012
I urge all PAKIS to chose and live like good human beings, with kindness,compassion, tolerance, peace,love,freedom, equality of all religions, equality of women , nondogmatic. It is further urged that you must know truth, facts and history. Read QQUURRAAN, SIRA, HADITHS. Know the bloodiest history OF ISLAM. LOOK at any ISLAMIC society .Look at any ISLAMIC country . Ofcourse, first and foremost ,you must be honest, truthful,impassionate, with impeccable integrity. Then only you ask questions and you will find answers. Who wants to live in a MOSLEM country ? WHO wants to live a life of slavery under ISLAM , without using your intelligence,thinking ? ISLAM is slavery . You are not allowed to think or ask questions . ISLAM is based on lies,hatred, ill will, animosity against unbelievers. ISLAM is negative ,primitive theology with blood thristy ideology. I expect all educated youth ,young girls, educated girls, boys to renounce and denounce ISLAM and join the humanism and experience the bliss,peace,happiness. Don't let the time pass by. Don't waste your precious lives. Join the liberal,progressive, humanist forces with your hearts and minds open.
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To Rzq
written by Archpagan , March 31, 2012
We Indians have sufficient strength and resilience to survive enmity of Pakistan. You Pakistanis need introspection whether you have that much resources to survive a 100-year or 1000 year battle.
Dialogue can yield result when there is mutual respect and goodwill. But, true to their dirty book named Koran, Pakistanis have only hatred and ill-will for Indian Kuffar. Only tit for tat principle ('Sathe Sathyam Samacharet') can yield some result.
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To Rzq
written by Archpagan , March 31, 2012
PS: If you want to know the real strength of Hinduism I am giving you a link - http://www.thedailybeast.com/n...s-now.html
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Shahid- Kafir
written by fineliving56 , March 31, 2012
Inspiring post to Pakis people … I hope it resonate in them …their humanity in their heart, that we know they have, before Islam, stomped on it and made it suffocate until it disappeared.no where to be found.

precious time indeed !
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rzq
written by vbv , March 31, 2012
It is not India that is doing the sabre-rattling but pakis. These dumb pakis got thrashed everytime they attacked India since 1947. Remember Pakistan broke into two in 1971 when Bangladesh was born. It is not far away it will break again when Baluchistan secedes from the present Pakistan, not to speak of the NWF pashtoon tribals have loyalties in Afghanistan. Pakistan is already crumbling with the weight of its misdeed , poor state of economy , endless ethnic turmoils, unrests engendered by the islamic fundamentalists, etc. They are a failed state . Jinnah's two nation theory has flopped miserably. Pakis have nothing honorable to show. They are with a begging bowl looking upto the USA to sustain their finances. What threats these nuts can pose to a country with the fifth largest GDP in the world and growing at present at 6.9% ,while it was about 9% a couple of years back ? India's industrial sector ,service sector and infrastructure is growing and attracting FDI. Who would invest in a backward country run by mullah-military collusion with a lot of political instabilty and violence and unrest ? Rzq, you cannot compare a free and democratic country like India with a banana republic like Pakistan that lives off alms given by the west and Saudi Arabia.
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Vbv
written by Rzq , April 01, 2012
Here we go again! I wrote that both countries sabre rattle, can you not read?
1971 is a long time ago. Right now you wouldn't last a week!
Had a good giggle when I read that India has moved the brahmos to the borders. Navigation system not working??? India has the same problems as Pakistan.
Maoist war in the south, secterianism and corruption.
Army corruption vk Singh chief of staff is embroiled in it, government looses 280+ billion USD on mineral and mining licences, billions more lost on telecoms licences.
However even with all of that India is doing well and I'm genuinely pleased for them
As soon as the people of Pakistan pick an honourable leader then the indo pak economic gap will close.
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@RZQ and the economic gap
written by Infidel and More proud , April 01, 2012
5th largets vs 50th largest. The gap will widen not close.
One Indian company is worth the entire stock exchange in Pakistan I man its capitalisation.
keep dreaming....
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Rzq
written by someone else , April 01, 2012

have you heard "the gap between poor and rich always increases". when you have money you make more money. this is basic economics.

and what do you mean by pick an honourable leader? Can you answer why pakistaniz picked asif ali zardari? do you really expect pakistaniz can pick an hounarable leader even if there is one available? and even by mistake an honourable leader is picked do you believe he can survive pakistani politics?

Basically you have no idea of pakistani politics.
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Someone else
written by Rzq , April 01, 2012
Keep moving, don't embarrass yourself!
Honourable leader- non corrupt. Will work on behalf of the country rather than their own interests.
They picked mr 10% by default.
Yes when things get really bad for the people they will rise up and demand their rights! I think a good leader will survive pak politics.

It turns out you have no idea what your are talking about!
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Rzq
written by someone else , April 01, 2012

i havnt seen an ignorant like you man!!

"Yes when things get really bad for the people they will rise up and demand their rights! I think a good leader will survive pak politics."

are you kind of a Joker. when do you think things will really get bad wise boy? out of 24 hrs there is no electricity for 20 hrs in major cities of pakistan in this 21st godamm century and you are expecting a rise. hahahahaha

American Drones and suicide bombers have killed hundreds of thousands of pakistanis in last 4 years and it is still continuing and there is no sign of rising in pakistanis.

you are soooo funny but obviously an ignorant fool

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A disapointed Pakistani Christian
written by Balam , April 01, 2012
When the Hebrews got the opportunity to escapes the bondage of Egypt,they left.If your father does not want to leave Pakistan,then let him ROT there.Christian girls and women are raped in Pakistan every day of the week.May be, he is waiting for something like that happening to you.What kind of heartless and shameless father is he?Pakistan does not desrve to have Christioans living there.Wait till the Taliban take over.Then,you would have no choice.You will have to be raped to convert to Islam.If you still can,get out of Pakistan-The land for pure evil.Each and every Christian should leave for a Non-Muslim country.You are too good for Pakistan.Mr.Singha made the worst decision for the unfortunate Christians during British Raj who are now living in eternal hell of Pakistan.
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@ Balam
written by Cerebrum123 , April 01, 2012
I think that what is needed is for MORE Christians to take a stand ,and not to run away. These words from Jesus I think fit the situation ,and may help you at least see where I am coming from. Matthew 9:12
On hearing this, Jesus said, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick.

Muslims are spiritually sick ,and are in need of the Gospel ,you can't share the Gospel with someone you are running from. Now I certainly don't think it's wise to put oneself in danger over mere patriotism as seems to be the case when reading the above letter ,but someone's eternal salvation is certainly worth the risk. I would do it myself if I could. I don't have a healthy body ,so I can't go out to the people who need a "doctor" ,but I do what I can to spread the Gospel of Jesus through other mediums. Some things are worth dying for ,and I think that the souls of others are certainly in this category. God loves EVERYONE ,and is not will that ANY should perish ,but have the eternal life that He offers freely.
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Someone else
written by Rzq , April 01, 2012
Adding insults to your posts just makes me laugh and shows the weakness of your view!
So what if 20 hours elec is not on. If the people have not come out then they are coping. maybe things have to get worse still!! Maybe then the one functioning institution in that thus far failed state can step in. Break the feudal systems back and maybe start a meritocracy!
It's better to fully understand pak politics than not to understand human nature!
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To Rzq
written by Archpagan , April 01, 2012
'They picked mr 10% by default'.

What did you mean to say by that? Pakistan has no honest leader? Actually, Pakistan is a dishonest society, honest leader can never grow here. What happened to Rinkel Kumari a few days back? She was raped by a Muslim goon, and now all Muslims including Pakistani Supreme court say that she has been converted to Islam and can not go back to her Hindu father. That's the standard of honesty followed by the Pakistanis and such honesty is endorsed by their supreme court. Only animals can grow here, no human being.
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Archpagan
written by Rzq , April 02, 2012
Go take a running jump you ignoramus!!
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@ Cerebrum 123
written by balam , April 02, 2012
The simplest way to describe Muslims is that they are all SNAKES,some more POISONOUS than others.You can probably live beside them but impossible to live with them.They lack humanity and human compassion.Sqeeze humanity out of a human being and you are left with a good Muslim.They are basically coward.They always attack and exploit the weak and poor segments of society.In Pakistan,it is the Christians who face the brunt of these crawling animals in human flesh.They are programmed to HATE JEWS and CHRISTIANS from childhood by Mohammad.Read the quran-a text book of hate.It is safer to interact with them through media.You simply can't convert the SNAKES to COMPASSIONATE HUMANS.Life holds no value in Islam soecially of Non-Muslims.The West has allowed so many poisonous snakes among them,for which they will pay a heavy price.
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@Archpagan
written by balam , April 02, 2012
Why can't India allow Hindus,Sikhs and Christians into India and offer asylm and expel Muslims from Kashmir and other parts of India into Pakistan.One can never win the loyalty of a Muslim.If you can succeed with the SNAKES,then you can also succeed with Muslims.
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@ Balam
written by Cerebrum123 , April 02, 2012
The Great Commission is something that every Christian should strive to follow. And it tells us to preach the Gospel to "every living creature"(of course this only really means to all mankind). Not all Muslims are snakes like you claim. I personally am friends with several ,and my neurologist(he is quite compassionate ,and helps treat one of the worst chronic pain diseases in existence ,which I myself have) is one as well. Also the spreading the Gospel has never been easy ,and has led to extensive martyrdom. I do what I can to reach who I can,but if no one is reaching Muslims in person ,it's not going to be nearly as effective. Even you would have to admit that if more Muslims were to accept the Gospel ,then a lot of these problems would be lessened. Of course to reach Muslims in this way is a personal decision for each and every Christian ,but I think that things could be on their way to getting better if there was more of an outreach to Muslims with the Gospel.
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@Cerebrum 123
written by balam , April 02, 2012
Have you ever lived in a Muslim country?Can you take a copy of Holy Bible into Saudi Arabia-the birth place of Mohammad and Mohammadanism?Can you build a Church there?Are you allowed to worship freely there as a Christian even in your private house?Do you stop Saudis and other Muslims building Mosques in America and the West?Does Egypt allow building and repairing of Churches there?Was Egypt always a Muslim country?Do you consider Mohammad a prophet from God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob?Don't you think that Mohammad is Anti-Christ?Have you ever considered reading Mathew 13:verses 24-31?Who was that enemy to sow the TARE?Finally,one swallow does not make summer.If you find some Muslims good,it is because they are not true Muslims and do not follow quran properly.Try sometimes telling the truth about Mohammad and Islam to your friends and see the reaction.Ask them if Mohammad left any SIN uncommitted,his murders,paedophillia,his robberies,his hatred for Jews and Christians because they refused to acknowledge him as a true prophet from the LIVING God.Mohammad promoted and worshipped the PAGAN MOON god who had three daughters,Al-Uza,Al-Alat and Al-manat,which Mohammad allowed to be worshipped in the beginning.Jesus is my LORD and MOHAMMAD was FRAUD.Period.
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Balam
written by Rzq , April 02, 2012
Ignorant pagan fool!
Keep worshipping your 3 gods. The sky daddy, dead son and Casper the ghost!
It's funny to read and see!
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A disappointed Pakistani Christian
written by Clement- Islam-Watch-Pastor , April 03, 2012
It is a pitty that you find yourself and the family in such an evil society that allow no human right not to talk of tolerating another religion.

My only worry though is that you appear ignorant of Islam by calling it the religion of peace that is being high jacked by a few misguided.

You said
"What I find strange is that I have done my Islamic research because I wanted to know the reason behind the rising hatred toward anyone remotely non-Muslim, and contrary to popular belief Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh) was generous and kind to members of various faiths."

The above statement betrayed you as an ignorant Christian of the real belief system of Islam. That is why people like RZQ and M&P coming here with sheerful heart to offer their counsel that you must run for your life otherwise the cult religion will kill you because you are ignorant, you are still thinking that Islam is a religion of peace.

But stop hanging those cross on your neck, christianity is not on the neck but in the heart and Jesus is not cross now he is risen from the death. He is alive. There is nothing hanging on the cross. It is an empty cross wood now and stop being idolatrous about it.

However, it better for you to take heed to RZQ's advise to run for your life for he knows what his people can do to you and your family.

Cheers
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@RZQ
written by balam , April 03, 2012
Your ignorance is revealed through your comments.I do not blame you.Yo are like your fake prophet who was deceived by Devil.He did not follow the living God to understand the Infinite nature of God.He was a successful sales man though.He sold SAND to the Arabs as Islam and threw Sand in the eyes of the world with the smoke screen of Arabic language through ambigous incoherent outbursts oft repeated.Mohammad also suffered from EPILEPSY and a cocktail of other mental Illnesses and I would hesitate to go into details.You would not be a Muslim unless you were Ignorant.Your roots were in Pakistan,which does not help.
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@RZQ
written by balam , April 03, 2012
Your prophet did not understand the nature of TRUE INFINITE GOD and nor can you.Rest in peace,Rzq!!!!
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To a disappointed Christian in Pakistan
written by Yibel , April 03, 2012
Babylon the Great is the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. Rev. 16-20

"And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and Yahweh/YHVH hath remembered her iniquities. Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled - fill to her double. How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give to her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death and mourning and famine; and she shall be utterly destroyed with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges her." Rev. 18

So - Come out of her. Pakistan is Not the land of the Pure. It is the land of every unclean spirit and foul beast. Leave before the vials of wrath are poured out.
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1 can only exist if there is 2, 3 etc.
written by Salladin , April 03, 2012
What is the purpose of being one if there are not more?
No left without right and no good without evil. God/Allah is nowhere without Satan/Evil and that's why He created it.
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To Salladin
written by Archpagan , April 03, 2012
Your theory appears sound in principle. But, sir, how to deal with that veritable Satan called Allah in Koran? Himself impotent, Allah always instigate his followers to commit crime against humanity in general and non-Muslims in particular. In order to reward his followers for committing crime, he acts as a pimp keeping whorehouse in heaven. A crime is always a crime, there can't be holy crime. Shit can never emit fragrance.
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The state of non- muslims in Pakistan
written by Kafirwala , April 03, 2012
This letter written by a disillusioned Pakistani christian gives us some insight into the hell like existence, not life, the non- muslims in Pakistan are having. Not only christians, other minority religious groups like hindus, sikhs etc. are also living like this christian fellow, I am sure. It is no wonder that their number in Pakistan is day by day dwindling. In 1947 when partition took place, the percentage of hindus in Pakistan was a little above 10%. Now nobody knows for sure how many hindus remain there. A safe calculation says it is less than 1%. In any welfare state in the world, minorities will be well protected and their population will not diminish. Only in muslim countries, this happens. Why? Most of these countries are having turmoil and chaos and are strife ridden and far from being welfare states. How long you can live as a second class or third class citizen in a country? After some time you will lose even your self respect and you will think of towing the mainstream to get rid of your wretched life. This is what happens not only in Pakistan, in all hell holes known as Islamic countries. Some times I think Dr. Ali Sina's medicine is the best suited for these rascals. Give the same treatment to these beasts in all non- muslim countries. For that first of all, Islam should be stripped of the religion label. It is not a religion. A vile, deadly cult only. These heartless, beastly, inhuman creatures should be segregated and discriminated against. When these savages are at a receiving end only, they will learn anything. The whole world should shun these rascals. That is the only medicine. I hope more and more people will wake up to this reality in time and that is the end of these scum bags.
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Kaffir-scum
written by Rzq , April 03, 2012
Your mentor sina is a coward just like you. All he does is appease and create conditions for the weak minded to do something stupid.
Like killing Muslim women in the west because they wear a headscarf ?
Set fire to a mosque in dead if night??
Beat Muslim kids up???
Is that the technical name for it, sina medication!!!
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Rzq
written by Kafirwala , April 03, 2012
Why you are getting so offended, my boy? No use making faces when facts are stated, you dimwit. It is a fact that a bully knows only one language, that of bullying. After sometime, you will start to beget what you have been giving. Sometimes, it will be more than what you gave. That is what happened in Gujarat in 2002. That is a historical fact, almost certain. I haven't read anything of the sort you wrote in any democratic country. If at all it happened, it would be stray incidents and I am sure the guilty would have been punished. In muslim countries only, the persecutions and the atrocities towards non- muslims go unreported and unnoticed. But the fact is, muslims, the scum of any society, ask for such treatment from the non- muslims by their sheer behavior based on hatred towards all non- muslims. It is then no big deal that somewhere they get it back in the same measure. In India anyway, it has started. Muslims will not get it away as in the past. Any misdemeanor on their side will be returned in the same coin. In the modern age, you bullying muslims have to shed your hate psychology. Otherwise, very bitter repercussions will have to be endured by you. The earlier you scumbags you realise it, the better. No amount of your hooligan mimicry will not come to your aid, you rotten rzq boy.
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Correction!
written by Kafirwala , April 03, 2012

The last sentence of my post should be : No amount of your hooligan mimicry will come to your aid, you rotten rzq boy.
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archpagan
written by Salladin , April 04, 2012
I was being sarcastic archpagan. Allah is nothing but a hoax. Remember that polytheists before Muhammad already worshipped Allah and was the lord of Ka'ba. In hadith you can read that the gransfather of Muhammed stood before the statue of Hubal saying Ya allah!

Allah of arabs is fiction. I'm not saying that a potential deity doesn't exist and no one can because it is beyond this creation. Everything that is created is not God. God doesn't exist, God is existence and therefor it just is. I'm not talking about the childish diety who gets angry with his creation because of not obeying Him. This diety is a joke!
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Kaffir wala
written by Rzq , April 04, 2012
Next time you want to dish out your brand of sina medication.
Please let it happen to me!
I will be happy to seperate the men from the little kaffir boys!!!
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written by bundypig , April 04, 2012
a 15 year old on his Mum's computer, be careful Kafirwala, he'll get you and bring his buddy M$Perverted with him. You can see by his posts what he's made of, 1 liners and really nothing else...
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Pig
written by Rzq , April 04, 2012
Internet tough guy is back!!!
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Kaffir
written by Rzq , April 04, 2012
You are indeed the lowest of the low! Gujarat was payback was it?
What about Amritsar? Was that payback too?

Google shaima alawady- Iraqi woman killed for her headscarf- USA

http://www.islamophobiatoday.com/
Have a good read!

Like I said the next time you want to dish out sina medication then pick on someone who can bite back!!! I wish you would come to my mosque and start some, or speak to my sister in a funny way in my presence.
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written by bundypig , April 04, 2012
you must be referring to yourself as I dont threaten anyone, but you do
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Pig
written by Rzq , April 04, 2012
Pig we are talking about Ali sinas notion of kill the Muslims in all the non Muslim majority countries! although the coward wouldn't dare. That doesn't mean some lunatic who reads his writing will not. Anders brehvik used to read fjord man and robert spencer.
Kaffir by his own admission thinks its a great idea.
All I'm saying is lets make it fun. I'm that kinda guy.
Don't attack mosques at night and women by themselves. I would be more than happy if kaffir and say four of his mates came and delivered sina medication to me!!!!!
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Pig
written by Rzq , April 04, 2012
How is that threatening? I'm even giving you and kaffir the numerical advantage.
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@ Balam
written by Cerebrum123 , April 04, 2012
No I have not lived in a Muslim country, and yes I know about the horrible things going on in them. I also know about Mohammed's sick exploits, and I want to be able to show these people who aren't following the Quran the way Mohammed intended just what he did, but this is a delicate process. With a Muslim that does have compassion, you have to worry about losing them as a friend through offending them. I WANT to tell them just exactly what a monster Mohammed was, but I don't yet know the best way to go about doing so. I also have to be able to keep my neurologist, so I have to go about doing this very carefully.
My point is that if we do NOTHING, then things will only get worse. Just leaving them to their own devices isn't going to solve anything. My only point is that there needs to be MORE outreach to Muslims, and not less.
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written by bundypig , April 04, 2012
ha again, I read he said "Some times I think Dr. Ali Sina's medicine is the best suited for these rascals." Do you know what sometimes means? Guess not. The muzzie woman, probably will turn out to be an honour killing and again you threaten..."I would be more than happy if kaffir and say four of his mates came and delivered sina medication to me!!!!!"
So again your full of shit and spouting. I said before and I'll say again, the US and her allies are trying their best to cut collateral damage to a minimum, where before (as in Viet Nam) they could just carpet bomb...and I honestly think, that given the situation in iran a large part of the middle east will be obliterated by a Hydrogen device, but thats just what I think lol
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Pig
written by Rzq , April 04, 2012
Dont play somantics. He knew what he meant and I know what he meant. He Kraft enough to play the innocent guy. It's a common tactic, see it all the time spencer, sina, fjord man, geller use it all the time. They take the idiot just far enough and then wait! Just like brehvik!
If you are all that then why go after soft targets????
Cowards
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Pig
written by Rzq , April 04, 2012
Collateral damage???
Here is a story about roger. Roger is head of CIA drone ops worldwide and reports to the president himself.
Here is the kicker for you pig! He is a MUSLIM!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/at-cia-a-convert-to-islam-leads-the-terrorism-hunt/2012/03/23/gIQA2mSqYS_story.html?hpid=z3
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@Cerebrum 123
written by balam , April 04, 2012
Thank you for your kind advice.Was Jesus a hypocrite and Inoffesive?He was compassionate but firm in telling the TRUTH.He never sugar coated the truth.Issa of Mohammad is not the JESUS of Nazreth.You tell even the most compassionate Muslim about the DIVINE nature of Christ,His death on the Cross and Resurrection and that Muslim will call you a liar.Mohammad came as Anti-Christ and every follower of Mohammad is Anti-Christ and hence naturally anti-Christian.You can find all that in quran-a text book of hate.The Muslims I have come across,I have always told them the TRUTH.They never like the TRUTH but I can never sell my Integrity for false friendship.I would rather not carry a false label on myself.My late father once applied for the Job as a teacher in a Muslim school.The Muslim employer offered the Job if my father would accept Islam.My father looked straight into his eyes and asked:DO I LOOK MAD TO YOU and left.A true Christian would never deny the LORD JESUS.
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I've read that
written by bundypig , April 04, 2012
before, like you said he's a muzzie
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To Rzq
written by Archpagan , April 05, 2012
Bravo my boy, the war on terrorism should be renamed the 'new Ridda war'!

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