Comments for CAIR’s Sharia Fog Machine at http://www.islam-watch.org , comment 1 to 19 out of 19 comments http://www.islam-watch.org Mon, 20 May 2013 04:39:58 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/139-louis-palme/1005-cairs-sharia-fog-machine.html#comment-57572 ISLAM=Stupid, Lazy, Rubbish, Problem, Disturb, Lie, Ruses, Brain wash, Pig, Taboos, Barbarian, Dirty, Ugly, Noisy, Crazy, Oppress, Danger, Violent, Behead, Horror, War, Boom, Politic, Womanizing, Pedophilia, Polygamy, Fanatic, Evil, Terrorist - Gabriel Tue, 01 May 2012 20:03:36 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/139-louis-palme/1005-cairs-sharia-fog-machine.html#comment-57399 I read the entire document and it is absolutely ONE BIG LIE from page one to the last period. Did I expect anything different. No! I've read the Koran and understand it perfectly. As do the authors of CAIR's latest document. - Guy Macher Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:12:32 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/139-louis-palme/1005-cairs-sharia-fog-machine.html#comment-57383 Read the essay link i gave chris. First point. Spot on there does not appear to be a central body which should slap idiots like abdul zamzami and his insane rulings. That is the first thing that is needed and possibly the only thing that is needed. I agree with the opinion that the islamic state must be revived. Do not bother with the argument that saudi, syria, iraq and all those other majority muslim countries are islamic states. Im talking about an islamic state. Once that is up and running all edicts come from it. If the crazies say different then the crazies get punished. "muslim mafia" ha ha ha. You have been reading alot of garbage. Of course there is outrage, you hear deafening silence because you want to hear that. Typical example- Grand mufti in saudi arabia went to kuwait and said that all curches in the arabian peninsula should be destroyed. You must of heard that is was all over the islamophobic blogosphere. Did you hear the rebuttal and bollocking the grand mufti got? no? why not? http://www.todayszaman.com/news-276525-turkeys-top-muslim-cleric-slams-saudi-mufti-over-his-call-to-destroy-churches.html Its just typical of what you wnat to see. - abc Fri, 27 Apr 2012 07:02:52 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/139-louis-palme/1005-cairs-sharia-fog-machine.html#comment-57379 Yes milady, seems you are correct. I have asked the same thing many times. You are a blessing on this site, and they should have the guts you display and get the courage to leave islam and turn apostate...but I fear they don't have that fortitude. Can't wait to read Robert Spencer's new book on whether mohammad ever existed...sounds pretty compelling. All the best. - Ambiyduke Fri, 27 Apr 2012 05:03:16 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/139-louis-palme/1005-cairs-sharia-fog-machine.html#comment-57367 I have asked the same question that you asked … All I got is … '' we do what we can around us and speak against the violent Muslims" Then I asked : have you sat down with them [ violent Muslims …. lol as if it is possible ] and told them, in a very nice way of course, How they are misunderstanding Quran and hadeeth is nothing but garbage … No answer was forth coming after that … - fineliving56 Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:06:56 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/139-louis-palme/1005-cairs-sharia-fog-machine.html#comment-57365 The problem, abc, in my opinion, is you have all these muslims interpreting the koran, sunna, hadith in hundreds of different ways...and there is no governing body that metaphoricallly "bitch slaps" the idoits, if indeed you could interpret the koran as anything but a war manual. It ain't happening. I have been on the Center For American Progress site before and have read all their propaganda, and I don't by any of it. In "The Muslim Mafia" there is no doubt about what the Ikwhan wants to do...they definitely want to take down the west...THEY tell us that is THEIR INTENT! How much more clear can that be? You might be an itelligent lad, but you fail to state what is the answer to this supposed "radical" faction...? Especially when the radicals are doing EXACTLY what the koran tells them to do??? What baffles most sane thinking people is this: If islam has been "high-jacked" by a "few radicals"...(which I personally find a ridiculous notion if there ever was one), then what are the supposed majority doing to squash these crazy "radicals" like a bunch of rotten grapes??? Where is the muslim outrage world wide when these fucks do the shit they do? Nothing but silence...deafening silence. I firmly believe they are all in it together...the radicals doing the "hard" jihad, and the rest of them showing total support by their silence. Even if YOU wanted to change islam, how the hell would you go about doing so? - Amboyduke Thu, 26 Apr 2012 22:05:27 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/139-louis-palme/1005-cairs-sharia-fog-machine.html#comment-57364 What you quote: "Covenant of security in islamic law." "The Islamic religion commands believers to obey the laws of the land they live in, even if it be one ruled by nonbelievers. Muslim jurists consider citizenship (or visa) to be a covenant (aqd) held between the citizen (or visa holder) and the state, one which guarantees safe passage/security (amaan) in exchange for certain obligations (such as obeying the laws of the land); covenants are considered sacredly binding in Islam. The Quran commands: And fulfill every covenant. Verily, you will be held accountable with regard to the covenants. (Quran, 17:34) The Quran condemns those who break covenants as not being true believers: It is not the case that every time they make a covenant, some party among them throws it aside. Nay! The truth is most of them believe not. (Quran, 2:100)" *************** If the following passages Chris mentions below came AFTER the one's you quoted above, then they abrogate the previous ones...correct? Mo said all the stuff he wrote later supercedes all the PREVIOUS stuff...right? Abc trots out Surah 17:34 that calls on Muslims to fulfill covenants. That's a nice thought, but most of Surah 17 (including ayat 34) was written in Mecca. It was abrogated by the Medina passage in Surah 9:3 -- "Allah and His apostle are under no obligation to the idolaters." Surah 9:123 - "Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you." Oh, how wish Muslims would read and understand their sacred text as well as the infidels. Then we could have an iuntelligent conversation. Chris ******************************** cont'd - Amboyduke Thu, 26 Apr 2012 22:03:13 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/139-louis-palme/1005-cairs-sharia-fog-machine.html#comment-57358 Here is a nice essay explaining it to you! http://www.daruliftaa.com/question?txt_questionid=q-18270572 Sorry no pictures! - Abc Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:37:44 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/139-louis-palme/1005-cairs-sharia-fog-machine.html#comment-57357 where does it say it's abrogated??? Thankfully no idol worship around here!! - Abc Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:33:34 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/139-louis-palme/1005-cairs-sharia-fog-machine.html#comment-57353 Abc trots out Surah 17:34 that calls on Muslims to fulfill covenants. That's a nice thought, but most of Surah 17 (including ayat 34) was written in Mecca. It was abrogated by the Medina passage in Surah 9:3 -- "Allah and His apostle are under no obligation to the idolaters." Surah 9:123 - "Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you." Oh, how wish Muslims would read and understand their sacred text as well as the infidels. Then we could have an iuntelligent conversation. - Chris LA Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:44:01 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/139-louis-palme/1005-cairs-sharia-fog-machine.html#comment-57347 Is the day I will get to the street with others to demonstrate against these sick kind of laws .... Sharia has [b]NO [/b]business to be any where near here, especially in America where was it founded in basses of democracy, freedom and equality ... Such laws in Sharia like beatings wives, kill apostate, honer killings ,the right to kill Kufars and marry little girls without their consent [ only an adult will be able to give it , a child is unable to and should not have the responsibility to be asked to do so ] are backward and should be considered a thing, Humanity should be [b]ashamed to have been part of it's history [/b] We will [b]not [/b]stand for it ... We will stand next all American people who will reject it and send it back to the filthy kind of thinking that it came from ... which is from the mind of a sick, demented,backward and monstrous man [b]Muhammad [/b] We will fight back[ unlike what some of you, do ..we will do it in the limits of the law ] ... we will fight back at you, devout Muslims who are trying to accomplishing it ... - fineliving56 Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:18:31 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/139-louis-palme/1005-cairs-sharia-fog-machine.html#comment-57332 Below is a link of all the players involved and what they bring and how they profit in the islamophobia circuit!! Take 2mins and have a read http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2011/08/islamophobia.html - Abc Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:56:57 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/139-louis-palme/1005-cairs-sharia-fog-machine.html#comment-57331 The editor has the rest - Abc Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:53:22 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/139-louis-palme/1005-cairs-sharia-fog-machine.html#comment-57328 Covenant of security in islamic law: "The Islamic religion commands believers to obey the laws of the land they live in, even if it be one ruled by nonbelievers.  Muslim jurists consider citizenship (or visa) to be a covenant (aqd) held between the citizen (or visa holder) and the state, one which guarantees safe passage/security (amaan) in exchange for certain obligations (such as obeying the laws of the land); covenants are considered sacredly binding in Islam.  The Quran commands: And fulfill every covenant.  Verily, you will be held accountable with regard to the covenants. (Quran, 17:34) The Quran condemns those who break covenants as not being true believers: It is not the case that every time they make a covenant, some party among them throws it aside. Nay! The truth is most of them believe not. (Quran, 2:100)" - Abc Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:46:23 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/139-louis-palme/1005-cairs-sharia-fog-machine.html#comment-57326 why the hell don't you address the points in the article? The 5 points quoted from that wonderfully tolerant tome; "The Reliance Of The Traveller"? All you pukes do on here is deflect, rationalize, and cry bigotry, racism and WHINE! You NEVER address the issues...NEVER...but then, how could you...? Unless you could defend insanity...LOL You do supply us with comic relief...and we thank you for that! LOL - Amboyduke Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:42:33 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/139-louis-palme/1005-cairs-sharia-fog-machine.html#comment-57319 Since CAIR had produced a legislative lobbying kit to obtain power for Sharia law in US courts. This is but another example of who some Muslims engage in Stealth Jihad in America. Those who practice this kind of jihad of gaining power and subverting America for Islam happen to be using a very old method of philosophy of war. It goes back as far as ancient China. For example, Sun Tzu in THE ART OF WAR it teaches "At first, then,exhibit the coyness of a maiden, until the enemy gives you an opening; afterwards emulate the rapidity of a running hare, in it will be too late for the enemy to oppose you." - Walter Siieruk Thu, 26 Apr 2012 09:52:25 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/139-louis-palme/1005-cairs-sharia-fog-machine.html#comment-57314 "Personally defame David Yerushalmi, the attorney for the American Freedom Law Center who has been working with state legislatures on the drafting of statutes to make the use of foreign laws illegal" American freedom centre is not an official government body although it may sound like it. David represents clients like Plastic pam geller! David represents clients like Adolf Spencer, David Horowitz's lacky! It doesn't take much to make poor David yerushalmi ( as if that's his real name) look dim! - Abc Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:56:07 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/139-louis-palme/1005-cairs-sharia-fog-machine.html#comment-57312 Typical scare tactics by khan! Just ask how Beth din courts operate in the USA! http://www.bethdin.org/ The constitution is still intact! - abc Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:27:58 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/139-louis-palme/1005-cairs-sharia-fog-machine.html#comment-57307 Muslim duplicity and deception is brought out very clearly . Muslims want to shove their filthy barbaric cult somehow through devious means and force islamisation through the backdoor. And this is the collusion between the socalled 'moderates' and the 'hardliners' , who are nothing but two sides of the same coin. They want to undermine the constitution of the USA and make sharia supreme over-riding all else to the subservience to the barbaric arab cult. The socalled moderates are far more dangerous than the hardliners since these are the hypocrites who will slip a bomb down your arse with a seemingly benign smile and laugh alongwith the hardliners . This is "taqiyya" par excellance. Islam is nothing but deception , lies and violent oppression by mullahs and autocratic hardliners in cohorts with each other for absolute power and pelf that is ill-gotten , by brigandry and plunder. That is all the muslim knows - that is the history of islam. - vbv Thu, 26 Apr 2012 05:25:52 +0100