Comments for Two confusing Hadiths about Sex and Islamic Burial at http://www.islam-watch.org , comment 1 to 27 out of 20 comments http://www.islam-watch.org Tue, 21 May 2013 13:39:32 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/59-kammuna/1041-two-confusing-hadiths-about-sex-and-islamic-burial.html#comment-58730 [quote]Thank you for posting this and for showing me the true way.[/quote] Why do you need to see the truth from a negative point of view? Pl. come again with some positive point if you can. - Dwito Mon, 11 Jun 2012 09:40:07 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/59-kammuna/1041-two-confusing-hadiths-about-sex-and-islamic-burial.html#comment-58711 Thank you for posting this and for showing me the true way. If the Prophet (peace be upon him) was a false prophet you would have found a lot more than this. If he was a false Prophet why then the religion that he received from the creator is number one in the world now, growing as no other religion. Ask yourself one question: Did he ever build palaces or enjoyed the life of a king? When all of this started they offered him to be a king and he would have lived a life of luxury but he refused. What you mentioned is really cheap. BTW it is wrong number of Hadith. Thank you for showing me how after more than 1400 years and you still have no arguments. - Mohammed Mon, 11 Jun 2012 01:56:03 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/59-kammuna/1041-two-confusing-hadiths-about-sex-and-islamic-burial.html#comment-58706 Can you prove that is not you in the picture of the man looking up women's skirts? Why do you need two wives? Is it to prove you're a REAL man and not someone that's had a finger or two up their rear ends? Continue on your high road to hell, have a nice journey!!! - bundypig Sun, 10 Jun 2012 19:07:10 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/59-kammuna/1041-two-confusing-hadiths-about-sex-and-islamic-burial.html#comment-58703 Funny how the moderator turns a blind eye when certain people lash out with personal attacks. However Ill choose the high road and just ignore the blatant bias and immature behavior. Being that the above story and its is just that a story, and not fromthe koran it has nothing to do with islam, nice try - Malem Sun, 10 Jun 2012 18:45:58 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/59-kammuna/1041-two-confusing-hadiths-about-sex-and-islamic-burial.html#comment-58676 to the story on malem, again, where does this stuff come from.These are zombie freaks with no morals whatsoever. http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/06/if-the-newborn-is-not-one-of-our-shiites-the-devil-inserts-his-index-finger-into-the-anus-of-the-new.html - bundypig Sat, 09 Jun 2012 18:11:28 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/59-kammuna/1041-two-confusing-hadiths-about-sex-and-islamic-burial.html#comment-58626 picked up on cameras at a store, malem doing his thing with women.Two wives just aint enough for some perverts huh? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2156025/Heart-surgeon-lay-floor-Tesco-look-woman-s-skirt.html - bundypig Fri, 08 Jun 2012 16:24:24 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/59-kammuna/1041-two-confusing-hadiths-about-sex-and-islamic-burial.html#comment-58618 Done by some clever folks, a dig at the fools of islam https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=969P12o4lso - bundypig Fri, 08 Jun 2012 08:04:39 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/59-kammuna/1041-two-confusing-hadiths-about-sex-and-islamic-burial.html#comment-58539 It is really funny that an almighty (?)god(?)Allah punishes people for silly mistakes like not controlling urine. Passing gas, etc...Added to it he presents murderers with 72 virgins. He advises an aged Mo to have sex with a child, his own daughter in law and all this ONLY AFTER HIS FIRST WIFE (his Boss) DIED. More funny is his zombie followers not introspecting to find answers to these questions and abusing people who question. Any worthy book must pass all scrutiny and have answers to all questions. Muslims boast that Qur'an has all answers but can not answer MO's disciplined behavior before the death of his first wife and there after of a lecherous one. - non believer Mon, 04 Jun 2012 03:11:13 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/59-kammuna/1041-two-confusing-hadiths-about-sex-and-islamic-burial.html#comment-58518 http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.co.uk/2010/07/false-allegation-of-muhammad-having-sx.html [....]  Appendix 4 Another example of Muhammad caring for people in the grave Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: The Prophet once passed by two graves and said, "These two persons are being tortured not for a major sin (to avoid). One of them never saved himself from being soiled with his urine, while the other used to go about with calumnies(to make enmity between friends)." Quote END] Language is developing and changing over time - take f.e. the word "gay" in some songs sung by "Steeleye Span" it simply means to have fun or be merry, BUT not what it means today...to be inclined sexually to a same-sex partner. So who knows if "lay down" alone at one point in time actually MEANT to HAVE sexual relations, as your refutation only rests on the insistence of the meaning of a word.... And all you can offer is the opinion of one anonymous blogger who may or may NOT be a respected scholar. The burden of proof is on you to come with a bit more substantial... This above Website points to this one: http://www.albalagh.net/qa/punishment_in_grave.shtml A.) According to the Aqaid (beliefs) of the Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaah`, Adhaabul Qabr (punishment in the grave) is Haqq (true and established). (Sharhul Aqaid) It (punishment of the grave) is proven from the Qur'an and Ahadith. [...] In one Hadith, two reasons have been cited for the punishment in the grave: a) Not exercising precaution from the splashes of urine drops, b) Gossiping. Quote End] So stoned-gawd allah punishes people because they "soiled" themselves with urine? As I wrote before; to MuahamMAD the "dead" were not REALLY dead and any sexual encounters with a zombie like being could get this prophet really going... - 1proudkaffur4life Sun, 03 Jun 2012 08:37:55 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/59-kammuna/1041-two-confusing-hadiths-about-sex-and-islamic-burial.html#comment-58499 This Muslim Saif UI- Hog … thinks we are the stupid, not him/her and all the Muslim … hahaha … Isn't The stupid who thinks Muhammad is a true prophet ..while they know he commited pedophilia when he forced him self on a child under the disguise of marriage … I geuss it eskape thier stupid minds that a prophet should have been better then that … a [b]LOT BETTER THEN THAT [/b] … in fact islam fake prophet Muhammad behaved like a disgusting, two bit, animal … As far as I am concerned … he is about the last person on this earth who could be close to be a prophet who, people, might considering him as a role model . - fineliving56 Sat, 02 Jun 2012 17:15:40 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/59-kammuna/1041-two-confusing-hadiths-about-sex-and-islamic-burial.html#comment-58498 Complete refutation; http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.co.uk/2010/07/false-allegation-of-muhammad-having-sx.html?m=1 - Abc Sat, 02 Jun 2012 17:04:28 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/59-kammuna/1041-two-confusing-hadiths-about-sex-and-islamic-burial.html#comment-58497 Surely you can offer a bit more than just BLIND FAITH, in a MAN-MADE concept of a deity? Even if this splendid Universe had a "creator" this by no means can serve as "proof" that a concept created by humans is correct. Especially one concept laden with so MUCH FOOLISHNESS like Islam is in fact useless. So, how do you explain the "punishment in the grave"? - 1proudkaffur4life Sat, 02 Jun 2012 16:54:55 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/59-kammuna/1041-two-confusing-hadiths-about-sex-and-islamic-burial.html#comment-58496 Saif Ul Haq, You are an ignorant person Sir. Some of my research in my areas of expertise is published in top tier world journals. you do not know anything about me and called me stupid. You are Ignorant and rude. Brother Infidel, thank you for your comment. I really appreciate that. What you mentioned is true. However, the hadiths in Arabic about Muhammad sleeping with the dead is true. But the wording in Arabic is not really clear. my mother tongue is Arabic. The word Laid in Arabic could have two possible meanings. One involves sex. The other does not. This is really part of the puzzle here. I wish there are more hadiths that clarify what Muhammad did in the grave with Ali's mother and what Abu Talha did when Muhammad asked him to go in the grave. Saying he went down to bury her is not a good enough answer. People bury the dead after everyone is out of the grave. So, the question remains, why did muhammad ask about his sex situation before asking him to go down. You may be correct brother. I just don't see enough evidence to claim that. Who knows, maybe in the future we'll be able to find some Islamic resources to support what you said (or falsify such a claim). Thank you much for your input. Have a good day - Ibn.Kammuna Sat, 02 Jun 2012 16:37:57 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/59-kammuna/1041-two-confusing-hadiths-about-sex-and-islamic-burial.html#comment-58495 It has been refuted as lies! http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.co.uk/2010/07/false-allegation-of-muhammad-having-sx.html?m=1 So I suggest you try another debate from father butros's lies. - Abc Sat, 02 Jun 2012 16:29:27 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/59-kammuna/1041-two-confusing-hadiths-about-sex-and-islamic-burial.html#comment-58493 THIS IS NOT THE FIRS TIME MOHAMMED SAW HAS BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH SEX WITH A DEAD BODY . IF MY LOGIC SERVES MY RIGHT, MOHAMMED ACTUALLY HAD HAD SEX WITH A DEAD WOMAN BEFORE: Hadith 34424 Kanezel omall ----- This is from a book called "Kanz Al Umal" (The Treasure of the Workers), in the chapter of "The issues of women", authored by Ali Ibn Husam Aldin, commonly known as Al-Mutaki Al-Hindi. He based his book on the hadiths and sayings listed in "Al-Jami Al-Saghir," written by Jalal ul-Din Al-Suyuti. Narrated by Ibn Abbas: "I (Muhammad) put on her my shirt that she may wear the clothes of heaven, and I SLEPT with her in her coffin (grave) that I may lessen the pressure of the grave. She was the best of Allah’s creatures to me after Abu Talib"… The prophet was referring to Fatima , the mother of Ali. The Arabic scholar Demetrius explains : "The Arabic word used here for "slept" is "Id'tajat," and literally means "lay down" with her. It is often used to mean, "lay down to have sex." Muhammad is understood as saying that because he slept with her she has become like a wife to him so she will be considered like a "mother of the believers." This will supposedly prevent her from being tormented in the grave, since Muslims believed that as people wait for the Judgment Day they will be tormented in the grave. "Reduce the pressure" here means that the torment won't be as much because she is now a "mother of the believers" after Muhammad slept with her and "consummated" the union." ] IBN KAMMUNA. IT IS CRYSTAL CLEAR MOHAMMED ORDER HIM TO HAVE SEX WITH A DEAD BODY - INFIDEL Sat, 02 Jun 2012 15:50:15 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/59-kammuna/1041-two-confusing-hadiths-about-sex-and-islamic-burial.html#comment-58490 They are only confusing because you are stupid. Submit your minds and bodies to Allah Ta'la and he will reconcile your divergent passions. You will be free in your submission. Come to us oh ye kufr before it is too late. - Saif Ul-Haq Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:51:54 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/59-kammuna/1041-two-confusing-hadiths-about-sex-and-islamic-burial.html#comment-58489 Muslim pseudo-scholars do anything to pretend to be scientists and scholars. They want to show that they have authority and look like honourable people with wisdom. But this is all fake. The islamic ulema do not have any authority in any free environment. Nobody in the scientific world would accept such a nonsense that they have the key to Allah, what he wants and what he supposedly published to the world. Their methods like focussing on the quran and then the hadith in order to provide evidence is nothing but ridiculous. They are establishing large scale institutions like islamic universities, islamic banks and even islamic republics but they cannot provide anything useful to the free and unbiased world. They have nothing, instead they are relying heavily on anything the free world provides to them. They could never survive without modern knowledge and food imported from western and other, non-muslim countries. In contrast, the free world does not need anything from the muslim world with only one exception: Oil! Let us find a replacement for oil and islam is over for ever and ever! - Gnostic Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:25:27 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/59-kammuna/1041-two-confusing-hadiths-about-sex-and-islamic-burial.html#comment-58488 Thanks all for your input Some of the commenters started giving judgement about me arguing. This is nonsense. In my article, I clearly said I have no answer. So, please take it easy folks. As for a state of Wudu. This is not a convincing answer as Muhammad asked about his sex situation but not about passing gas or being in a state of wudu. This answer is not convincing to me. I still have no answer. Nor do I claim I have one. Thank you all for your kind input. I really appreciate that from all of you. Have a good day folks - Ibn- Kammuna Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:00:35 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/59-kammuna/1041-two-confusing-hadiths-about-sex-and-islamic-burial.html#comment-58485 Excuse me ABC but MY person is NOT the issue here. Your FOOLISH religion is! From the site you told me to read TWICE :-) And when I REALLY read it to the END (did you read it?) I found this GEM: [...] Appendix 1 Rasulullah said, 'When a person is buried and the people go away, two angels approach the deceased and ask three questions, a) Who is your lord? ^^^^^^^^^HEARING b) What is your religion? and c) Who is he (Rasulullah )?. A believer will answer ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ SPEAKING all three questions and he will be honored with the clothing of Jannah. The window of Jannah will be opened for him and he will enjoy the sight of Jannah. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^SEEING On the contrary, a disbeliever will express regret at not being able to answer the questions. Upon that, an angel who is blind and deaf is appointed to punish him. Blind so that the angel does not see the punishment and feel mercy and deaf so that the punishment is not heard. The hammer used to punish a disbeliever is so heavy that it can reduce a mountain to dust. The disbeliever screams with pain and every creation can hear him besides human and Jinns.' (Mishkat) ^^^^^^^^and not to forget FEELING PAIN AND SCREAMING [....] Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: Once the Prophet, while passing through one of the grave-yards of Medina or Mecca heard the voices of two persons who were being tortured in their graves. Quote End] Contrary to Muslims I think the above is MORE proof for the UTTERLY foolishness found in the ISLAMIC teachings. You understand that what you have to REFUTE is NOT my opinion (which is just a logical conclusion when presented with these Hadiths) but that of YOUR fellow brothers of Faith and YOUR esteemed "scholars" who spew this rubbish... Looks to me the "JOKE" is on YOU for STILL holding on to Islam. - 1proudkaffur4life Sat, 02 Jun 2012 09:26:33 +0100 http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/59-kammuna/1041-two-confusing-hadiths-about-sex-and-islamic-burial.html#comment-58483 If ABC is telling the truth, it sure makes Mo's sexual encounter with Fatima look even worse. Sure a horny Muslim barrow like Mo might pull up the burka and tup the still warm corpse because he has no self-control but to unwind five cloths to commit necromancy is a sign of deep mental and spiritual sickness. The more I learn about Mo, the less I like him. - Guy Macher Sat, 02 Jun 2012 07:25:25 +0100