Popular history books tell us that Euruope's Dark Ages (8-10th century) was Islam's Golden Age --- a Golden Age without any hard facts...
According to the history books, the Early Middle Ages, the period stretching roughly from the first quarter of the seventh century to the first quarter of the tenth, was a crucial time for Europe and the Middle East. For Europe, this was the very darkest phase of the so-called Dark Ages, an era during which the light of Classical Civilization was finally extinguished. However, for the Middle East, which from about 635 onwards became Muslim, it was a very different story. The next three centuries, far from constituting a “Dark Age”, became a veritable Golden Age. This was to be the high point of Islamic civilization: three centuries during which the Islamdom led the world in science, philosophy, wealth and culture. As Europe floundered in poverty and darkness, with cities abandoned and violence everywhere, Muslim rulers such as Harun al-Rashid and Al-Mamum presided over a flourishing and enlightened urban civilization.
That, at least, is the story told in all the textbooks. But proper examination of facts suggests that this is mostly, if not completely, a myth. In reality, neither the European Dark Age nor the Islamic Golden Age has any basis in fact: These are little more than two facets of a single fictitious historical narrative, a narrative which has however been around for many centuries; one that derives from the written histories of early Islam and of Europe. Until the nineteenth century, no-one had any real reason to question this version of events. After all, the Islamic world, at least by the beginning of the eleventh century, did seem to be far ahead of Europe. Did we not get our numeral system (“Arabic numerals”) from the Arabs, as well as algebra, alcohol, and a host of other techniques and technologies? All the evidence seemed to indicate that the Muslim world was, in the centuries preceding the eleventh, advanced and sophisticated, while Europe was mired in a primitive barbarism.
But this view has now faced a serious challenge: For, in the twentieth century, a whole new body of evidence became available to historians; evidence unavailable to previous generations of scholars: The evidence of archaeology. And what archaeology tells us has been devastating to the traditional view.
By the mid-twentieth century, archaeologists had begun to put together a fairly comprehensive picture of the archaeology of Europe and the Near East. Indeed, several areas of the Near East, such as Egypt, Palestine and Iraq, were and remain among the most thoroughly excavated regions of the earth.
Medievalists had, of course, been very interested in throwing light on the somewhat romantic though apparently fabulously wealthy and cultured Islamic world of the seventh, eighth and ninth centuries. Strange and wonderful tales were told of this epoch, though all agreed it was an age of high civilization. This was the age of the Omayyad and Abbasid Caliphs; the romantic epoch of Scheherazade and Harun Al-Rashid, the fabulously opulent Caliph of Baghdad, who is said to have donned the disguise of a commoner and wandered by night through the dimly-lit streets of the metropolis—a city of reputedly a million people. This epoch, and this alone, is said to have marked the age of Islam’s cultural ascendancy. Consider the following description from an English historian of eighth-tenth century Cordoba, typical of the genre: “In Spain … the foundation of Umayyad power ushers in an era of unequalled splendour, which reaches its height in the early part of the tenth century. The great university of Cordova is thronged with students … while the city itself excites the wonder of visitors from Germany and France. The banks of the Guadalquivir are covered with luxurious villas, and born of the ruler’s caprice rises the famous Palace of the Flower, a fantastic city of delights” (H. St. L. B. Moss, The Birth of the Middle Ages; 395-814, Oxford University Press, 1935, p. 172). All agree that, in later years, from the late eleventh century onwards, the Islamic world began to fall rapidly behind the West.
On the word of the written histories, then, archaeologists expected to find, from Spain to eastern Iran, a flourishing and vibrant culture. An Islamic world of enormous cities endowed with all the wealth of antiquity and the plunder gathered in the Muslim wars of conquest. They hoped to find palaces, public baths, universities and mosques; all richly decorated with marble, ceramic and carved stone.
In fact, they found nothing of the sort.
The archaeological non-appearance of the Islamic Golden Age is surely one of the most remarkable discoveries to come to light in the past century. It has not achieved the sensational headlines we might expect, for the simple reason that a non-discovery is of much less interest to the public than a discovery. Then again, as archaeologists searched in vain through site after site, they imagined they had just been unlucky; that with the next day’s dig, the fabulous palaces and baths would be uncovered. And this has been the pattern now for a hundred years. In fact, the entire Islamic world is a virtual blank for roughly three centuries.
Normally, we find one or two finds attributed to the seventh century, then nothing for three centuries, then a resumption of archaeological material in the mid- or late-tenth century. Take, for example Egypt, the largest and most populous Islamic country during the Early Middle Ages. The Muslim conquest of the country occurred in 638 or 639, and we should expect the invaders to have begun, almost immediately, using the wealth of the land to begin building numerous and splendid places of worship, but apparently they didn’t. Only two mosques in the whole of Egypt, both in Cairo, are said to date from before the eleventh century: the Amr ibn al-As (641) and the Ahmad ibn Tulun (878). However, the latter building has many features found only in mosques of the eleventh century, so its date of 878 is disputed. Thus, in Egypt, we have a single place of worship, the mosque of Amr ibn al-As, dating from the mid-seventh century, then nothing for another three-and-a-half centuries. Why, in an enormous country with up to, perhaps, five million inhabitants, should the Muslims wait over 300 years before building themselves places of worship?
And it is the same throughout the Islamic world. No matter where we go, from Spain to Iran, there is virtually nothing between circa 650 and 950. Spain, as we have seen, is supposed to have witnessed a flowering of Islamic culture and civilization in the two centuries after the Arab conquest of 711; and the city of Cordoba is said to have grown to a sophisticated metropolis of half-a-million people or more. We recall the description of a flourishing and vastly opulent metropolis painted by the writer quoted above. Yet the same author admitted that “Little remains of the architecture of this period.” Little indeed! As a matter of fact, the only Muslim structure in the whole of Spain dating from before the eleventh century is the so-called Mosque of Cordoba; yet even this, strictly-speaking, is not an Islamic construction: It was originally the Visigothic Cathedral of Saint Vincent, which was converted, supposedly in the days of Abd er-Rahman I, to a mosque. Yet the Islamic features that exist could equally belong to the time of Abd er-Rahman III (latter tenth century), whom we know did conversion work on the Cathedral, adding a minaret and a new façade (Louis Bertrand, The History of Spain, p. 54). Most of the Islamic features in the building actually come after Abd er-Rahman III, and there is no secure way of dating anything in it to the eighth century.
The poverty of visible Islamic remains is normally explained by the proposition that the Christians destroyed the Muslim monuments after the city’s re-conquest. But this solution is inherently a suspect. Granted the Christians might have destroyed all the mosques, though even that seems unlikely, but they certainly would not have destroyed opulent palaces, baths, fortifications, etc. Yet none of these—none, at least, ascribed to the eighth to early tenth centuries—has survived. And even granting that, such a universal and pointless destruction did take place, we have to assume that at least under the ground, we would find an abundance of Arab foundations, as well as artifacts, tools, pottery etc. Indeed, in a city of half-a-million people, as Cordoba of the eight, ninth and tenth centuries is said to have been—the archaeologist would expect to find—a superabundance of such things. They should be popping out of the ground with almost every shovel-full of dirt.Now Cordoba has been extensively excavated over the past seventy years or so, often specifically to search for Arab/Moorish remains. What then has been found?
According to the prestigious Oxford Archaeological Guide, the city has revealed, after exhaustive excavations: (a) The south-western portion of the city wall, which was “presumably” of the ninth century; (b) A small bath-complex, of the 9th/10th century; and (c) A “part” of the Umayyad (8-9th century) mosque (The Oxford Archaeological Guide, Collins, 1998). This is all that can be discovered from two-and-a-half centuries of the history of a city of supposedly half-a-million people. And the rest of Spain, which has been investigated with equal vigor, can deliver little else. The foundations of a small house here and a few fragments of pottery there, usually of doubtful date and often described as “presumably” of ninth century or such like.
The sheer poverty of these remains makes it clear that the fabulously wealthy Cordoba of the eighth, ninth and early tenth centuries is a myth; and the elusive nature of all materials from these three centuries, in every part of the Islamic world, makes us wonder whether the rise of Islam has been somehow misdated: For the first real mark left (in archaeological terms) by Islam in Spain is dated to the mid-tenth century, to the time of Abd er-Rahman III, whose life bears many striking comparisons with his namesake and supposed ancestor Abd er-Rahman I, of the eighth century.
Again, there are strange and striking parallels between the major events of Islamic history of the seventh and eighth centuries on the one hand and of the tenth and eleventh centuries on the other. Thus, for example, the Christian Reconquista in Spain is supposed to have commenced around 720, with the victory of Don Pelayo at Covadonga; but the real Reconquista began three hundred years later with the victories of Sancho of Navarre around 1020. Similarly, the Islamic invasion of northern India supposedly commenced around 710-720 with the victories of Muhammed bin Qasim, though the “real” Islamic conquest of the region began with the victories of Mahmud of Ghazni, roughly between 1010 and 1020. Yet again, the impact of Islam on Europe seems not have been felt until the late tenth and eleventh centuries, though commonsense would suggest that it should have been felt three hundred years earlier. Henri Pirenne, for example, was criticized by Alfons Dopsch for suggesting that Islam terminated Classical Civilization in Europe in the seventh century by its blockade of the Mediterranean. Thus, said Dopsch, Europe should have become “Medieval” by the late seventh century. Yet many of the characteristics of medieval society, such as the rise of feudalism and castle-building, said Dopsch, only appear in the late tenth century. And obviously Islamic ideas, such as Holy War, were only copied by the Europeans in the eleventh century.
What then does all this mean?
The lack of Muslim archaeology from before the tenth and eleventh centuries (with the exception of two or three monuments such as the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem and the Amr ibn al-As mosque in Cairo, usually of the mid-seventh century), would indicate that the rise of Islam has been misdated, and that some form of error has crept into the chronology. But error or not, the fact that, virtually nothing from before the mid-tenth century has been found, means that Islam was not a flourishing, opulent and cultured civilization whilst Europe was mired in the Dark Ages. By the late tenth century, Europe was experiencing her own “renaissance”, with a flowering of “Romanesque” art and architecture, much of it strongly reminiscent of the Late Classical work of the Merovingian and Visigothic period.
The meaning of this archaeological “dark age”, of central importance to our understanding of European and Islamic history, will be discussed more fully in a subsequent article.
The above article summarizes arguments found in John O’Neill’s Holy Warriors: Islam and the Demise of Classical Civilization (Felibri Publications).
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written by Anti Clot , August 22, 2009
written by Truth Detector , August 22, 2009
Hey Muslim, if it's true that Islamists were so great, why were they so stupid to lose that "greatness"? Did you know that if it's true that Islamists had a GOLDEN AGE, they would be that much more ahead than everyone else today? Why is it that all 57 Islamic countries are backward, Third World Countries?
Muslims, did you know that there are no redeemable passages in Satan's Bible? You call it the Qur'an. If you can show me one, JUST ONE, redeemable passage in Satan's Bible, I will not call it Satan's Bible anymore. Okay, show me.
Hey Muslim, did you know that there isn't a lesson on MORALITY, JUSTICE, OR LOVE OF NEIGHBOR IN SATAN'S BIBLE. YOU CALL IT THE QUR'AN. YES, NOT EVEN ONE! Okay, show me just one. I dare you.
written by Mary , August 22, 2009
written by Mary , August 23, 2009
written by Shafee al-Zindig , August 23, 2009
The reality is that suicide-bombing was invented by the Khomeini regime in Iran during the Iran-Iraq War that raged between them from 1980 to 1988. During battles young Iranians were encouraged by the moolas to strap bombs to their bodies and hurl themselves at the tanks of their fellow Muslim Iraqis. This successful strategy was then introduced by the Iranians to their Lebanese terrorist protégés the Hezbollah in April 1983 and used there with deadly effect against their fellow Lebanese, the United Nations peacekeeping forces and the Israelis.
The Tamil Tigers were trained in suicide-bombings in Lebanon by Hezbollah in December the same year and this deadly tactic was then used in Sri Lanka by them in the following years until they were finally crushed this year by the Sri Lankan army.
written by Pat , August 23, 2009
The "golden age" of Islam was nothing more than Arab invaders living off their plunder. They didn't move into other countries to build them up, only to strip them of their wealth. Our "Arabic" numbers really came from India, courtesy of Islamic invaders. At the time of the Islamic conquest, the advanced civilizations were primarily in Asia. We in the West have Islamic barbarians to thank for our own advancement. Columbus might never have set out across the Atlantic if the Turks and Islamic tribes didn't block the land routes to India and China.
written by David , August 24, 2009
islam has spread predominantly through violence ever since that moron muhammad came out of the desert sunstroke. don't believe me? ask the Zoroastrians about it. oh yeah- you can't, because muslims slaughtered them wholesale (peaceful religion, mind you).
in afghanistan the people there prided themselves on the fact that they all 'memorized the koran (they used the word 'memorize,' possibly not understanding what it really means). however, tell them of a verse in the koran, and they will not believe it. since most of the country is illiterate (as with pakistan as well) there are no checks and balances as regarding what the mullahs are teaching. the religion is fluid and easily adaptable to any situation that the mullahs want to happen.
give me a break. and it has been this way for centuries.
written by AbduShaytan , August 24, 2009
they just appropriated their knowledge from the Persians and Byzantines. Why were most of these great Islamic scientists Persians?
:angry-red:
written by Ibn Rushd , August 24, 2009
written by Ibn Rushd , August 24, 2009
written by Ibn Rushd , August 24, 2009
written by saladin , August 24, 2009
While dalits and christians are burnt at the stake in India,westerners are flocking to the bright green banner of Islam.
written by infidel_hottie , August 25, 2009
written by San , August 25, 2009
While it is a very interesting read it falls exceptionally short of a proper scholarly investigation of the topic. As such, at best it presents a very nice theory for someone else to do the actual research to prove. If someone ever does that research I would be quite interested in reading the results.
written by saladin , August 25, 2009
The attempt to rewrite the glorious history of Islamic civillization is futile.
infidel-hottie(probably not hot),did you know that the fastest growing group of western European converts to Islam(good choice),are white,educated,middle class women?
Pause for thought before spilling your filthy bile!
written by David , August 26, 2009
i still find it so funny that muslims, when put into a situation where they cannot answer a question about islam without contradicting islam, get violent.
like i said before, muslim, be careful. there is a huge reason why judeo-christian nations are so powerful, and muslim nations are pathetic and rely on others for what they want. dont believe me? figures. muslims will never contradict islam, even when they are proven wrong.
written by a.tayyab , August 26, 2009
the suicide vest to go to heaven and get virgins;they
need hindu,christian,etc. to show them the way.
written by Saladin , August 26, 2009
You have proved nothing about Islam,save for what is already embedded in your sick and distorted minds.
The rantings,sorry, writings of a few select appostates,christian fundamentalists and zionists pseudo scholars amounts to naught,when compared to the volumious histories of Islamic civillization.
surely you will have to up your game,if you are to convince anyone,let alone muslims,as to the true nature of AL ISALAM.
Ramadan Karim,brother/sisters and otherwise.
written by Excalibur , August 27, 2009
It is not important what muslims believe , they are lost and will remain lost , what really matters is that the rest of the 6 billion people on this planet are made aware of you .
READ what your own Bukari and Muslima have wriiten about your prophet , read how your Q'uran was contrived from faulty memory , and how it condemns ALL who are not muslim , and the deluded followers find their license to slaughter , rape , and pillage .
Islam will never prevail , for you now provoke the world with your barbaric behavior , soon you will feel the backlash .
written by Excalibur , August 27, 2009
written by Saladin , August 27, 2009
Millions of Arabs,Africans,Asians,first nations have died at the hands of successive yankee/euro governments.Fact!
From SE Asia(Vietnam,Cambodia,Laos),to Africa(Rwanda,Congo,Angola,Mozambique etc),South and Central America,to Indonesia,Phillipines.
written by a guest , August 28, 2009
And wehat I find as absolutely remarkable [and sickening ] is the practice of muslims to perpetrate these slaughters , then blame the victims , most of whom are not even known by their murderers , strangers slaughtered for a deranged ideology .
How stupid and ignorant you must think the world , to assume you can lie about these things and decieve the many , that you are a religion of peace !
NOTHING could be further from the truth ! Look around you ! Muslims are burning christians in Pakistan , murdering them in Nigeria , murderinjg the m in Iraq , muslims are killing Buddhists in Thailand , persecting Bahais in Iran , murdering Hindus in India and Kashmir , you slaughter Christians in the Phillippines and persecute and kill them in Indonesia , in Yemen you have driven out the jews , as well as in Iraq and Iran , in Lebanon -muslims slaughtered in 10,000 Christians in the early 1980's , you killed each other in the millions during the Iran Iraq War , you killed 2million Shia in East Pakistan, at the hands of the West Pakistani Sunnis in 1970 during the India pakistan War , Saddam A MUSLIM slaughtered over 500.00 Shia , in his own country , Syria's Assad Sr. slaughtered 10,000 of his own country men over upholding his regime , do yourember Black September ? How many Palestinians wewre killed by the Jordanians ? MORE THAN THE ISREALIS HAVE KILLED TO DATE !
In Morrocco muslims have slaughtered over 50,000 MUSLIMS , in the past 15 years , using tactics your own "alleged religion " forbids - night attacks while people are sleeping , wiping out whole villages , men woman and children .
What about the TWO MILLION ARMENIANS , MUSLIM TURKS SLAUGHTERED-at the beginning of the last century , what about the Kurds that Iran , Turkey and Iraq have been killing for the past several decades ???
man , I dont even have to mention the heinous cowardly acts of 9/11 , 7/11 or Madrid , ALL done by MUSLIMS , what abhout BALI ? AGAIN slaughter perpetrated by muslims !!
And in Iraq , watch as muslim blows up muslim ...WHO WILL YOU BLAME once the U.S. pulls out ? For the sectarian killing will go on .
No my deluded fellow , MUSLIMS HAVE IN FACT KILLED MORE MUSLIMS , than you allege the kafir have done ...far far more .
And in the Sudan MUSLIMS COMMIT GENOCIDE , as racism is their motive , and iin Somalia MORE UTTER CHAOS ,MAYHEM and MURDER .
WHO are you trying to fool saladin ??? The world is wise to you , and more are learning everyday , and MUSLIMS themselves are responsible for the real perceptions , for they are not figments of the imagination , nor is it ..to coin your word "islamophobia " it is nothing less than ISLAM-AWARENESS .
written by Excalibur , August 28, 2009
written by Saladin , August 28, 2009
However,if you were as compassionate and humane,as you purport to be,it seems strange that you have totally ommited from your monologue,the atrocities,genocides and crimes of the west over the last 200 years.
Nothing about trans atlantic slavery(40-100 million dead),zero on the genocide of the Americas,(100million)naught on US invasion and colonisation of the Phillipines(1-2million dead),zilch on the genocide of SE Asia(2 million in vietnam,1 million each in Cambodia,Laos,bearing in mind the people are still dying from yankee ordinance and agent orange).I could go on and on and on,but it is unlikely to move such a person as you.
So it`s evident that you have chosen to discard the litany of crimes by the west,in order to further your abstruse agenda.Which is propaganda/incitement against muslims(as was against communists),in order to further imperialist/capitalist goals.
written by Excalibur , August 28, 2009
Lets stick to the here and now , ya know RECENT TIMES when men are considered to be civilised , where muslims STILL LIVE IN THE 6th century , atleast 13,000 recorded attacks on people throughout the world , and THAT just since 9/11--killing maiming and persecuting different people throughout the world ...ALL DONE BY MUSLIMS . Pick up your news paper , ANYDAY -ANY COUNTRY , and you will read of the carnage wrought by "the religion of peace " .
Will you deny trhat your own Q'uran calls for world domination , and if not by persuasion then ultimately by the sword ? Do you vthink no one can READ ! Do you think no one can HEAR what your clerics are saying , preaching and inciting ? Do you think no one can SEE the bloodshed ???
Muslims are not peacefull in ANYTHING they do .
If someone criticizes the prophet , you riot and kill , while on the other hand muslims denigrate the other two religions as a matter of practice .
Only from the pit of utrter ignorance , can you assume that your deeds are hidden or misrepresented ! Or the pit of utter DECEPTION , SUCH AS TAQIYYA , which is practiced widely by muslims , for the axiom , "the end justifies the mewans " is your cunard .
I have no pity for people who refuse to see their own folly .
No you cannot move "a person like me " , and that is because I am informed and not lazy , I am outraged and not scared , I will stand rather than cower and appease .
Yours is a cult of religious supremacism , intolerance , theocratic tyranny and absolutism , you are in fact ANTI-THETICAL TO CIVILIZATION .
Everything muslims rail against , they themselves commit daily with the utmost of arrogance contempt and HYPOCRISY .
Indeed though many muslims can recite their Q'ran from memory , the same does not even understand the language and words they have committed to their memory , they are in fact FORBIDDEN to reach their own conclusions even had they actaully understood the words . They are admonished to have imams for interpretation , and none of THEM agree with one another .
In the west we have recognized our wrongs and have righted them as a matter of moral imperative .
As when disasters occur throughout the world IT IS THE WEST THAT COMES TO THE AID OF THE VICTIMS , whilst the rich arab nations do nothinbg in the way of corporeal aid , but only sit around decrying yet more persecution . As I said , you have made yourselves the "eternal victims " and not without cause , for this delusion provides the rationale and justification for your dismally bad behavior .
You are in no position to pontificate to bthe west , me , or ANYONE ELSE on the morality of ANYONES ACTIONS , your history is filled with bloodshed , from it's inception to this very day as we speak .
You with your honor killings , female mutilation , abuse of women , unjust courts , corrupt officials , virtue police, haters of jews , holocaust deniers and homicidal fanatics .... you are in no position to preach .
written by Saladin , August 28, 2009
You claim Islam seeks world domination,but I beg to differ.Have you read or even heard of PROJECT FOR A NEW AMERICAN CENTURY,otherwise known as PNAC?No,I didn`t think so(it`s not on your"must read" list, given out in your local megachurch).Anyhow,if you read PNAC, you will see it clearly sets out a blueprint toward US domination over the whole of humanity.There`s no ambiguity,doubt or vagueness in what PNAC means.
It was authored by an assortment of war criminals,profiteers,militarists,and neocon zionists.you know,the usual suspects,Chenney,Rumsfeld,wolfowitz,scooter Libby etc.
They all wanted US/Europe to launch wars of aggression to secure US position in the world.The middle east was just a starter.You see the western capitalist model is in terminal decline,it cannot be saved without permanent war against humanity.
What the PNACers called for, was a catalyzing event,a new pearl harbour,to galvanize the us people to support aggression and genocide.A few years later we 9-11,and as they say...the rest history.
written by Excalibur , August 29, 2009
Do not come before me with your irrational excuses , and do not attempt to blame the victims as is the motis operandi of just about all slaughters perpetrated by muslims .
Do not regurgitate your chilkdish and ignoirant conspiracy theories meant only to coveer up islams ingrained barbarism and savagry .
DO NOT ATTEMPT A CHARADE WIHY ME SALDIN , I READ YOUR NEWSPAPERS IN YOUR LANGUAGE , I LISTEN TO THE SERMONS OF OUR SICK CLERICS.
All f you , and I mean every last one of you muslims , knows damn well who committed 9/11 and why , just as the London Bombings , the Kobar Towers , the 1993 bombing of the WTC , the Madrid Bombings , Bali Bombings , and Mumbay , ALL , ALL , committed by muslims and muslims alone .
Do not talk to me as if I were a brainless child , without intelligence and ability to grasp facts .
These are ALL acts committed by Muslims , I know it , YOU know it , and the world knows it ....just as THE UMMA KNOWS IT .
LIES AND DENIAL GO HAND IN HAND .
I was in Chittagong when the West Pakistani Sunnis slaughtered almost 2 million East pakistani Shia and Hindus , I saw the bodies and smelt the rotting flesh , the odor of spilt blood fiolled my nostrils as I watched the ravens feast on their manmade plentifull bounty .
I know full well what you muslims are capable of , and MUSLIMS THEMSELVES UNLEASHED THE DOGS OF WAR ON 9/11 ....NO ONE ELSE .... you can hold on to your fantasy and take it with you to the grave , just as I will take the TRUTH of it with me to mine .
Muslims , and IDIOTS are the only people on the Earth who believe 9/11 was not committed by muslims .
So save your delusions ,and ludicrous conspiracy theories , they are all poor attempts to hide your guilt , and cover up your barbarism ,WHILE SCREAMING TO THE WORLD , WITH THREATENING SWORD IN HAND ......that you are a "religion of peace " .
And BTW , you did not deny the ultimate goal of world subjugation to islam , which is in case you have forgotten , is " The Goal of the Prophet " .
written by wanrizm , August 29, 2009
who every day killing countles muslims at paletine?.
war of terror is being called war on terror.
few muslims uprising against christian and jewish terrorism being called terrorist.
usa and europe being terrorist hub of sex,porn,calling theself as civilised community what does it means?
Muslims are victims of jewish , chritian, and hindu terrorism
written by wanrizm , August 29, 2009
28 terrorist chritians countires joined and attcked iraq
after ward 12 years of sactions by terrorist USA .After all military power vanished attacking innocent peoples is henies crime of christians.
all you mentioned is manipulation of facts by christians by media to grow their false and criminal religion.
christianity is sin of world .
eurpeans learnt to numbers cutures , papers,civilization only from muslims.
terrorist can not uphold civilization that why heniesly killed millions of muslims all over europe and converetd them as sinners (christians)
read history educate yourself. most intolerable,spead by false hood, money, deceptions, lies, crime is christianity
written by kmgy , August 29, 2009
Or it could be a turning point in your life for the better. Read all the articles of this website with an open mind.
written by Excalibur , August 30, 2009
Start a war and you get war , and calling youyrselves "poor defensless muslims " is just another part of your lieing ways .
Muslims start wars and when they get their asses kicked , which they so richly deserve , they then start whining and become "the eternal victims " .
You reap what you sow muslim , you all should have learned that by now .
Just because yoiu are a backwards people , doesnt mean you can kill and slaughter without consequence .
BTW go check the REAL figures of muslim casualties in Iraq , not yuour B.S.propaganda . Most of the muslims killed in Iraq have been killed by MUSLIMS >
The world knows you are all liars , so stop wasting your time with your propaganda and B.S.
For all your backpeddling , I still haven't heard you deny Bali , Mumbai , Madrid , London or 9/11 ...and that is because you can't , so dont try .
And please , don't preach to me about sex or porn in the west , you muslims have got it topped , tell a girl you want to marry her three times and you now have license to rape , and when its over ,. say you divorce her three times ...man what a religion eh ? You rape without consequence , and not only that , you get religious approval ...and if the woman is an infidel , you dont even have to bother with all your phony formalities.
And because this is Ramadan , what will you do Eid ?
Non muslim and muslim womewn alike are warned i n Egypt , that rape is quyite likely at the end of ramadan .
And lets not forget the marrying of 9 and ten year old girls , the female circumcision practced by you deranged muslims .
If anyone wants to know what a muslim world will look like , one only look back at the Taliban Regime , where laughing in public is forbidden , music is forbidden , shaving your beard is forbidden , women are beaten if their veils should fall loose , and the virtue police are spying on everyone ...Allah's little helpers , ready to pounce and punish all offenders ..... You people can all go to hell ...and most of you will wind up there anyway , for when you live a life filled with hatred of others , cruelty towards others , and rape and murder , hell will surely be your reward .
You think you will live such a life , and face no consequences in the after life ?
Then you are crazier than I thought .
written by David , August 30, 2009
written by Excalibur , August 30, 2009
You know , the bombs tearing muslims to little bits and pieces ?
WHO is doing that saladin and wanrizn ?
Christians ?? Budhists ?? Jews ?? Hindus ?
Are these kafir , somehow forcing these muslim moron serial killers to strap on their bomb vests and blow themselves up along with innocent strangers they dont even know ? Fellow muslims ....men women and childre ???
WHO IS DOING THIS ???
WHO IS BLOWING UP SCHOOLS IN AFGHANISTAN ?
Zionists ?????
Who is killing christians in Pakistan ?
the Americans ????
QUIT YOUR LIEING .......YOU MUSLIMS ARE DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS , AND ALSO THE SLAUGHTER OF YOUR FELLOW MUSLIMS .
written by Saladin , August 30, 2009
Even the FBI say there is no evidence to link Osama to 9-11.While on the other hand there is solid evidence that Osama was a paid CIA operative.
These are facts which you are unable to come to terms with.
The terrorist training camps you speak of,were funded by the US taxpayer and operated by the CIA.
The US is killing innocent muslim men,women and children in their millions.Just like it killed millions of Vietnamese,Cambodians and Laosians in years gone by.Or are you gonna lay that one on muslims too?
written by Excalibur , August 30, 2009
As for your fantasy of who committed 9/11 ? Go out and try to buy some smart pills .
Every last one of you muslims know it was Bin laden the cowardly dog who orchestrated the 9/11 attack, and you all know damn well it was Muslims who committed the COWARDLY ACTS in LONDON , BALI , MADRID , and 13,000 other attacks since 9/11 throughout the world .
Yours is nothing more than a CULT OF BACKWARD BARBARIANS, and that is all you ever were, and all you ever will be .
Pick up todays news and note how many muslims have been blown up by your religiously deluded Sahadis seeking paradise .
How many this day saladin , and what ? No zionists or Americans or Israelis around to be accused of the slaughters ......JUST MUSLIMS , and it will be the same tomorrow ,as it has been in the days before , and as it will continue ....MUSLIMS SLAUGHTERING INNOCENTS , AND OTHER MUSLIMS .
written by Excalibur , August 30, 2009
there is no , sermon , nor propaganda required to see the obvious .
It is YOUR sermons , YOUR behavior , YOUR actions , YOUR arrogant denialls ,YOUR BASELESS ACCUSATIONS and BLAME SHIFTING......the actions of muslims themselves , that has gottren them in the position they find themselves , reviled by civilised men and percieved as the barbarians they are /
written by Saladin , August 31, 2009
As for muslims killing muslims,who flys the B_1 bombers carpet bombing Afghanistan.And what about the pilotless drones wreaking death and destruction on afpak women and children,are those remotly controlled from Mecca eh?
Wake up and smell the coffee,you`ve been praying to the devil all along.
written by Excalibur , August 31, 2009
And yes Bin Laden WAS the recipient of CIA aid in the fight against the Soviets in Afghanistan , and that is where the relationship ended ....and THAT is a FACT that you know also . Just like you know Bin laden was the dog responsible foir 9/11 with the aid and assistance of thye deranged perverts of the taliban Regime ..
If Bush wasn't an Idiot who diverted resources attacking the most prolific killers of MUSLIMS , Saddam Hussein, and concentrated on Afghanistan , thyen we wouldn't be discussing Afghanistan at all . As far as the resulting consequences of the Taliban aiding and abeting muslim fanatics ? Well you had bettrer discuss those consequence with the taliban , and the moron muslim fanatics in Pakistan who created them .
As for the drone s ? Get used to them , what better way to wipeout islamic barbarians wiythout risking American Blood .
And from your quarter several years later and millions of lives later .....STILL no outright condemnation of Bin laden from the "religion of peace " ...only rubbish like what leaves your mouth , lies and accusations based in Taqiyya ...the muslim art of LIEING for the sake of the Umma .
As for WHO I pray to ? You have no idea who I pray to .
All I DO KNOW is that if there is a God , He is CERTAINLY NOT THE ONE you muslims worship , you've made an infallable god of your prophet , you practice IDOLOTRY .
You are nothing more than intolerant , cruel , belligerant and barbaric religious supremacists .
Your "religious cult " is a scourge upon the Earth .A FACT which you muslims willingly and viciously prove , by your actions and your words ...EVERY SINGLE DAY .
Free men despise you , reasonable men look away from you in disgust , compassionate men find it difficut to look upon your deeds , spiritual men read your Q'uran and see nothing but hatred , vengeance and murder .
YOU are the one who had better "wake up " .
However , whether muslims wake up or not , one thing they had better learn and learn well ....THAT islam WILL NEVER PREVAIL , for there about 5.5 billion non-muslims on this planet who will have something to say about your deranged cult , and soon you will hear from them .
And aside from muslims , I've met NONE who have anything good to say about islam , other than the mindless idiots and dhimmis who fear you .
written by Saladin , August 31, 2009
Islam is thriving,while the west is in terminal decline,they cannot even reproduce themselves.
You are slowly fading away,into the dustbin of history.Humanity has rejected you capitalist,white supremacist,christian fundamentalist clap trap.
Look around you fool,Islam is flourishing,even in the heart of the beast(the west).
written by Excalibur , September 01, 2009
LOL....fear you , you have a pretty high opinion of yourself eh saladin ?
Oh I 'm sure your fellow muslims fear islam , especially the women and children , whom you trswatr as property and abuse and disposae of them at your pleasure .
NOT EVEN IN THE ANIMAL KINGDOM DOES A MOTHER ENCOURAGE HER YOUNG TO DIE , like the muslims mothers who are actually proud of their sons and daughters who homicide bomb innocent strangers , and their families and freinds make them heros , such is your deranged cult .
Fear you ? Not on your life muslim , for alone and face to face , man to man you are the greatest of cowards ,for your method of attack is by surprise , from behind , and in the dark , all the methods your phony cult allegedly forbids .
But what's another lie to a cult based in LIES and MURDER ?
Your cult is so great that anyone who tries to leave is KILLED , abd that is confirmed in your Q'uran , so GREAT IS YOUR FEAR THAT YOU KILL THOSE WHO ABANDON YOUR CULT .
Fear you ???? Keep dreaming , and as for any spread of your religion , that illusion is yours , as the only western converts you get are ion prison , and thats just about the caliber of your members ...CRIMINALS .
Ahh , but CRIMINALS WITH RELIGIOUS LICENSE , FROM AN INSANE RELIGIOUS CULT .
No you will not prevail , because your sick cult is fast .approaching a point when the world will be fed up with your bullshit , and that is evident as each day you kill more of each other than any kufar .
Soon the world will start pushing back , and your sick cultr will be sent packing , bach to the backwards third world countriesa yuou came from , and which you deserve . Muslims have no place amongst civilised free men , you are barbarians , steeped in ignorance and superstition .
So go ahead , make your accusations , coming from muslims they are meaningless ,. i am neither fundamentalist nor supremacist , as you think only abnormal people are the ones against you , and that is another mistake you ignorant people make , but what could be expected from muslims who think anyone let alone jews could be descended from mokys and pigs .....NOW THATS RACISM and SUPREMACISM ....and IT IS WRITTEN IN YOUR QURAN AND SPOKEWN BY YOUR PROPHET ....need I say more as to DEFINING YOU ?
You are enemies of civilisation , enemies of freedom , INDEED enemies of mankind , a veritable blight on the planet .
Enjoy your deluded illusion , your moment in the sun as it were . And know full well , only idiots fear you [ and of course ...other muslims ] .
Thyere are only two possibilities in your future , you will makke war wiyth the world and the cworld will crush you , or you will kill each other and do the world a favor ....but you will not in any way large or small prevail .
written by Excalibur , September 01, 2009
LOL...."enemy of my enemy is my freind " , if they are against you , then they are not the enemy . lol, SO WHAT IF IT IS FOR THE WRONG REASONS .
As for the rest , YOU will win them over to my side by your own behavior , for by your nature and actions , will you and your fellow muslims convince them that you indeed are their enemy , as each and every day , you convince more of the people in the world just what a perverted and barbaric cult you are .
As for the criminals in prison and usefull idiots who "revert "to your sick cult ? You can have them all ....for they will go down with you .
p.s . do not include your cult as "humanity "
written by Saladin , September 01, 2009
Like I said,we are thriving.
written by Excalibur , September 02, 2009
It is YOUR CULT whose jihad is for the "Goal of the Prophet " ....which is world subjugation to islam .
IT IS YOUR CULT ,WHO WILL GIVE ALL NON_MUSLIMS " AN INVITATION TO REVERT " and if they dont you will be gracious by allowing them to live as dhimmis , subordinate to you superior muslims ....ahh , but only for a btime , and if they still refuse to revert you will kill them .
IT IS YOUR CULT , whgich did not exist before your prophet , claims that you were the religion of Adam , and Moses , and Abraham , and that your book , the Q'ran is superior to all other , because all others are corrupted by infidels .
SO LOOK WHO THE HELL IS CALLING ME A SUPREMACIST !!!!!!!
Yea , you are thriving , like vmaggots on a carcass , and when it is consumed , the maggots will dry up and die . Like all parasites .
Yea , I see how you are "thriving " 95 killed in Afghanistan , by suicide bombers , and everyday in Iraq , schools burned in Afghhanistan to prevent your women from beducating themselves , and you throw acid in littlle girls faces to discourage any other girls from attending school .Hamas killing their own people, Hamas killing another of your sick demented fundamentalist cults and their leader in Gaza , beating women of Gaza who will not wear hijab , Pakistani muslims blowing up everyone , and burning christians todeath , as well as burning their churches and villages .......yea ...I see how you're thriving , like an infection of a wound .... LOOK OUT saladin , the world has PENICILLIN >
written by Excalibur , September 02, 2009
Asked if a confession obtained "by applying psychological, emotional and physical pressure" was "valid and considered credible according to Islam," Mesbah-Yazdi replied: "Getting a confession from any person who is against the Velayat-e Faqih ("Guardianship of the Islamic Jurists", or the regime of Iran's mullahs) is permissible under any condition." The ayatollah gave the identical answer when asked about confessions obtained through drugging the prisoner with opiates or addictive substances.
"Can an interrogator rape the prisoner in order to obtain a confession?" was the follow-up question posed to the Islamic cleric.
Mesbah-Yazdi answered: "The necessary precaution is for the interrogator to perform a ritual washing first and say prayers while raping the prisoner. If the prisoner is female, it is permissible to rape through the vagina or anus. It is better not to have a witness present. If it is a male prisoner, then it's acceptable for someone else to watch while the rape is committed."
This reply, and reports of the rape of teen male prisoners in Iranian jails, may have prompted the following question: "Is the rape of men and young boys considered sodomy?"
One aspect of these permitted rapes troubled certain questioners.
Ayatollah Mesbah-Yazdi: "No, because it is not consensual. Of course, if the prisoner is aroused and enjoys the rape, then caution must be taken not to repeat the rape."
A related issue, in the eyes of the questioners, was the rape of virgin female prisoners. In this instance, Mesbah-Yazdi went beyond the permissibility issue and described the Allah-sanctioned rewards accorded the rapist-in-the-name-of-Islam:
"If the judgment for the [female] prisoner is execution, then rape before execution brings the interrogator a spiritual reward equivalent to making the mandated Haj pilgrimage [to Mecca], but if there is no execution decreed, then the reward would be equivalent to making a pilgrimage to [the Shi'ite holy city of] Karbala."
written by Excalibur , September 02, 2009
Why ? Becuase I know about islam ? the truth about islam ?
written by JohanM , September 02, 2009
I answered my own question. The Sri Lankan Tamils are majority Hindu minority Christian (Wikipedia).
Mary please read the link..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_attack
Open up your eyes. I hope you are refering to this wikipedia or again as muslims do this is not "True Wikipedia"
Muslims are habitual blatant liars......
"An Islamic world of enormous cities endowed with all the wealth of antiquity and the plunder gathered in the Muslim wars of conquest."
Now we all know why this period of history was called the Golden Age of Islam. This was because of the piles of ill-gotten gold from looted temples and churches, booty from the conquered and Jjizya (tribute) from infidels.
When the source dried up after they killed the Golden Goose, so did this Golden Age come to an end.