Muslim Responses to Unpleasant Islamic Facts
02 Feb, 2008
When Muslims are told about scores of horrendous facts contained in the Quran, Sunnah and the Sharia, they will typical respond as follows:
- 1. Accuse the person of lying and ignorance. Tell him/her to read "authentic" Muslim websites and texts. Say that critics of Islam are "so-called" experts. Say that once a person "learns" about the "real" Islam, he/she will understand how beautiful and peaceful it is.
- 2. Accuse the person of racism or Islamophobia (This is one of the best tactics!). Say they are "filled with hate" (this works really well with Liberals!). Restrict your arguments to a specific subject (How Muslims are persecuted and misunderstood). Generalize a lot. Never suggest that a person examine both sides of the issue (that is, compare arguments from anti-Islamic sites with those from Muslims experts). Never refer to the hate and violence Muslims do. Say that the actions of Muslims have nothing to do with Islam.
3. Say that the problem is that Muslims today are not practicing the "Original Islam" of Mohammed and the glorious era of the 'Four Righteous Caliphs' that followed him (Do not mention the hate and violence that Mohammad preached and practiced and do not mention that 3 out of the 4 so-called Righteous Caliphs were murdered by Muslims in a fifty year orgy of conquest, greed, violence and rivalry that ended at battle of Kerbala - called the Ashura ─ with Muslims fighting Muslims and the heads of Mohammad's grandson and even infant great-grandson and 70 others being carried in bags as trophies by the victorious Muslim army). Tell them that Islam is really peaceful!
4. Say that any verse from the Koran that portrays Islam negatively is "out of context". Tell them it doesn't really mean what it says. Also, insist that any tradition that says that Mohammad did very bad things is "weak" or forged, or that it has no isnad (chain of narration) even if it has a long isnad and Muslims constantly quote from this same source.
5. Tell people that any 'nice' or 'peaceful' (or earlier) verse in the Koran is valid for everywhere and all time. Any 'kill' and 'hate' verse has limited application and can only be understood by an expert or in relation to another verse 56 pages away.
6. Accuse Christianity and other religions as being "just as bad" (mention the Crusades). Say that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. Say that Islam is the fastest growing religion on Mars too, and the rest of the universe.
7. Claim that Muslims are unjustly persecuted (never mention 1200 years of jihad against infidels, the treatment of non-Muslims in Islamic societies or current events). Mention the classical era when Islamic societies led the world in science, medicine and philosophy (Do not mention this was 700 years ago and that much of it was based upon ancient Greek works or influenced by the hated Jews living in those countries)
8. Explain that jihad means "inner struggle" (like a diet plan or giving up smoking!) and not "holy war". Tell them that Islam says fighting can only be in self-defense. If they ask about all those raids, explain that Mohammad went on 26 self-defense expeditions, captured a lot of self-defense loot and self-defense slaves and killed a lot of people in self-defense in the early morning and night self-defense attacks. He even let his men rape women in self-defense at Banu-Mustaliq. If they question that last statement, suggest that maybe the women accused Mohammad's men of being 'gay' and they had to prove themselves. (Note: It may be wise to work more on this answer!)
9. Blame all current problems in Islamic societies on (choose one or more...) the Jews, Christians, the Crusades, the USA, Atheism, Israel, Colonialism, Hollywood, Bush, the Pope, Vatican, Capitalism, racism, poverty, sexuality, discrimination, translations, the media, the Neocons, Right-wing radio talk shows, Communism, the Romans, women, Zionists, culture, Imperialism, Islamophobes, stereotypes, fascism, the Cold War, the War on Terror, ignorance, education, lack of education, misguided education, despair, lack of hope, the suffering of the Palestinian people, bad hair, cartoons, teddy bears and Bugs Bunny. Stress that Muslims are innocent victims of circumstances, always. Say the US, Europe and West support brutal, corrupt Arab regimes (Do not mention that all regimes in Muslim Middle East are undemocratic, brutal and corrupt).
10. Say that Islam "protects and honors" women. Say that "Islam has given women all her rights". Point out the immorality in Western culture. Say that most of the people that convert to Islam are women. (Never talk about what the Quran and hadith say about women, except for 4 specific verses and do not mention that Mohammad himself said women are 'deficient in intelligence' and beat his wife). If they talk about the status of Muslim women everywhere, say that it is because Muslims do not follow Islam. Tell them it is "cultural".
11. Say that a small minority of extremists have hijacked Islam, and they are not 'real' Muslims. Explain that just because a person says the shahada (profession of faith), observes the 5 pillars of Islam, goes to the mosque every Friday, has memorized half of the Quran, wears a beard, and is named 'Mohammad' - this does not mean that he is a 'real' Muslim. (Suggest that the terrorist― who knows,― may really be a Scientologist, a Presbyterian, a Rotarian or even a vile Jew pretending to be a Muslim). Oh yes, if Muslims do hate and violence, say that they are being 'used' and 'manipulated' by (see list in #9 of candidates to blame for manipulating innocent Muslims) and anything that Muslims do was caused by the interference of (pick another name from item #9). This is a good time to bring up Uncle Benny and say he was created in a CIA lab (Use the name "Bin Laden" which is what infidels call him).
12. If the person brings up issues relating to words and actions of Mohammad, say that you are offended. Say that we should not apply contemporary standards of morality and conduct to the teachings of the 'eternal' Quran and the actions of Islam's prophet. Say that Mohammad was "a mercy for all mankind". If he/she continues to ask about those deeds, make a few threats. Another possible idea is to ask the person to draw a picture of Mohammad on an old piece of paper, then say you are offended and attack the vile kafir infidel!
13. Use a lot of cute Arabic words to confuse the person. It also makes the Muslim seem smarter and/or an expert on Islam. See tip #2 above.
14. Quote the verse "who kills a single person, it is as if he killed all of mankind" to prove how peaceful Islam really is (Do not mention that the phrase is incomplete and you have omitted the first five words).
15. Once again, remember that Muslims "are the best of people" and Mohammad is a "Mercy for all mankind". Keep thinking this. Never doubt; never question. If there is an issue it must be understood in light of these two sacred and eternal truths. Don't let facts get in the way of feelings. If something appears to be wrong or bad, it can only be a conspiracy or a misunderstanding. There must be an explanation even if it is weird, really weird. The problem cannot be Islam's fault so it must be the work of (insert name of evil non-Muslim group here). Explain that the rules of conduct that Muslims demand for others do not apply to Islam, because it is "special".
16. If all else fails, assume a zombie-like attitude and start saying the Qanoot-e-Naazilah prayer in a low, intense voice (in Arabic!). Hiss a little between lines. Let the infidel know you are more than just a little crazy. If you have a knife take it out and start testing the blade with your thumb. Roll your eyes, foam at the mouth (twitching is good, too!). Stand up suddenly and start yelling "Allah Akhbar". Do this ten times as loud as possible……… You have won the argument!
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Name: ITS EASY TO FIGHT CHRISTIANITY/ISLAM....HERE IS HOW
Date: Saturday February 02, 2008
Time: 00:44:36 -0700
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HERE IS HOW ITS EASY TO FIGHT CHRISTIANITY/ISLAM : IF ISLAM IS FROM UNIVERSE CREATOR IT MUST BE 100% TRUE AND SINCE KORAN IS THE ONLY BOOK IT MUST BE 100% TRUE.DONT ENGAGE THE PIG MUSLIMS IN DEMABE ON PHILOSOPHY.ENGAGE THEM IN SCIENTIFIC FACTS,HOW KORAN SAYS WOMEN WHO MENSTRUATE R ILL - Q-2-222,HOW KRAP-KORAN CLAIMS EARTH IS FALT,HOW KORAN SAYS MOUNTAINS R PEGS ANOTEHR FALSEHOOD ETC.I HV WON GREATER VICTORIES WITH THIS APPROACH AND SINCE EVEN 1 FALSEHOOD IN KORAN MEANS THAT IT IS NOT GOD BUT MAN CREATED IT AUTMATICALLY MEANS ISLAM IS ALSO MAN CREATS.ISLAM WILL LOOSE THIS WAY FASTER,I HV MYSELF DE-CONVERTED MANY MUSLIMS AND MADE THEM HUMANS ATLEAST 15-18 SO FAR,AND NOW THEY R ALSO DOING SAME.RELIGION IS A DISEASE TRUTH IS THE ONLY CURE.
Name: Beowulf
Date: Saturday February 02, 2008
Time: 02:06:44 -0700
Comment
I have encountered many of these responses while talking to muslims, particularly when I confront them with facts about Islam which they are totally ignorant of.
Name: Islam is the religion with the fastest growing number of illiterate followers
Date: Saturday February 02, 2008
Time: 02:09:18 -0700
Comment
How many poor childs in the arab world, afghanistan and pakistan are brainwashed and forced to memorize a quran they do not even understand at all!? How many of them will become suicide bombers!? Islam is the cancer of the world. We must overcome islam with good education for everybody.
Name: allat/allah
Date: Saturday February 02, 2008
Time: 05:48:37 -0700
Comment
Great essay! .........On #14,... "Do not mention that the phrase is incomplete and you have omitted the first five words)"---------What are the last 5 words?
Name: Patrick Risk
Date: Saturday February 02, 2008
Time: 06:58:13 -0700
Comment
The real argument is over the existence of God...It's inconsevable that in the 21st century, humanity is still stuck in this rut. This is the information age and here's the 411 for the faithful unwilling to do your own research...No God! No Allah! You have been hoodwinked, duped, tricked, suckered, fooled and made into a boob or if you prefer, chump...There's no afterlife Cubby. It all happens right here on earth and you're not participating...Patrick Risk
Name: Allat
Date: Saturday February 02, 2008
Time: 08:58:51 -0700
Comment
To Patrick Risk: "There's no afterlife?" Well, that's a little extreme, isn't it? But you're entitled to your opinion. No harm no foul. But I've got a question for ya, think about it: "What does a tree know, that you don't know?" You can go out and look out the window and even sit under a tree, to think about it.
Name: Brosco Pertwee
Date: Saturday February 02, 2008
Time: 09:01:38 -0700
Comment
To the first comment: You obviously do not know a lot about Christianity since you repeatedly cite the Old Testament as to your source. You also make a blind assertion about the Trinity. You are an excellent example that proves the point made. Or perhaps you are a plant to prove the point made. In any event you prove it. Please drag yourself out of the era of 3,000 or 2,000 or 1,400 years ago and address the conduct of today.
Name: Igor the Infidel
Date: Saturday February 02, 2008
Time: 09:57:05 -0700
Comment
So many great lines! Where to begin? First, I had no idea that Islam is the fastest growing religion on Mars. That would explain "War of the Worlds" by H.G. Wells as "defensive jihad." It all makes sense now! ...I never suspected that Bugs Bunny was behind much Muslim suffering in the world. I would have pinned it on Elmer Fudd instead, the way he was always brandishing his shotgun. Tell ya what, though. Mickey Mouse would never accuse Minnie of being "deficient in intelligence." Mickey has more sense than that... Mohammad is a "Mercy for all mankind?" I expect that his grandson thought differently about that right before his severed head lost consciousness....
Name: Igor the Infidel
Date: Saturday February 02, 2008
Time: 11:28:36 -0700
Comment
Response to "How Islam improves on Christianity?" 1. "Christianity calls for faith in an absurd triune God (Trinity: Father, Son and Holy Ghost).” It was Jesus who referred to God as Father, as well as to the Holy Spirit who would follow his departure (which Muslims, absurdly, interpret to mean a reference to Mohammad) The Father is not the Son is not the Spirit. Three distinct persons, one God... 2.In Islam men and women are equal in the Sight of God (Quran 4:1; 4:124; 16:97; 40:40; 33:35; 3:195; 49:13; etc.) Then how is it that women are "deficient in intelligence" and whose testimony is only worth half that of a man's?... 3."Christianity is all about faith only." False. "Faith without works is dead." (James 2:20)... 4."(I)n Christianity Salvation rests on believing in torture and blood-shed of Jesus (God?)! One of the most disturbing things about Christianity is that to be saved, you have to believe that an innocent man died for you, an innocent man who did no wrong, paid for your crime! This innocent man was tortured, and given one of the most painful deaths, and basically you have to believe in such barbarity to be saved! This is nothing like the beauty of Islam, where you only have to submit your will to God and believe in Him. Why should you lay your Salvation on a man who was beaten, tortured, for a crime he did not commit! Christians are saved by the blood, torture and the brutal death of Jesus!" True, and how ignorant you are about Judaism! Consider what John the Baptist said about Jesus, "Behold, the lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world." (John 1:29) and STUDY what the concept of "lamb of God" means here: http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/behold-the-lamb-of-god-faq.htm 5."Christianity does believe in Original Sin." True. Your creation narrative is based on what? Surely not Genesis as the Torah spells it out... 6."Christianity blames only on Eve for the same (1 Timothy 2:14)." False. Eve was deceived, but it was through ADAM, not Eve, that death entered into the world. His was the greater guilt. "For as in Adam all die, in Christ shall all be made alive." (1Cor. 15:22)... 7."Christianity condones the killing of innocent people, women and children (Deuteronomy 2:32-37; 3:1-7; 7:1-6; 13:6-18; 21:18-22; 22:25-29; 23:1-4; 25:1-3; 28:15-68; Numbers 31:17-18; Joshua 2:8-21; 8:23-29; 10:28-43; Judges 1:21-35; 21:10-24; etc.)." False. Christianity is not Judaism. Christians are under a new commandment, part of a new covenant, to love one another as Jesus gave example. (John 15:22) They are not bound by the Mosaic Covenant... 8."Christianity is racist (Leviticus 25:44-46; Matthew 15: 21-28; etc.)" Judaism is not Christianity. Your charge is that Jesus was a racist because he insulted the Canaanite woman, comparing her to a dog. It was a test. She passed it. 28"Then Jesus answered, 'Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.' And her daughter was healed from that very hour. (By the way, how many MIRACLES of healing did Mohammad perform, hmm?)... 9.(I)n Christianity slaves are mere possessions (Exodus 21:20-21; Exodus 21:7; 1 Peter 2:18; etc.). Again, Judaism is not Christianity. Peter's admonition is to Christian servants, that they should submit to their masters in the hope of winning them to Christianity. Paul even advised a runaway slave convert to Christianity to return to his Christian master, and asked the master to receive the runaway slave back again as a brother in Christ. Read Philemon. Recall as well that it was Christianity that eliminated slavery in the west, while it STILL EXISTS in some Muslim countries... 10."Islam condemns female infanticide (Quran 16:58-59; 81:8-9; 17:31); Christianity does not." Prove it... 11."(I)n Christianity a lady is like a prisoner and cannot get a divorce (Romans 7:2-3; 1 Corinthians 7:39; Matthew 5:32; Matthew 19:9). It was Jesus who taught about the only just reason for a divorce: lewd conduct, in which case all of Mohammad's wives would have been free to divorce him!... 12."(I)n Christianity women cannot inherit any property if there is a son (Numbers 27:8). Christianity is not Judaism... 13."Islam strongly discourages alcohol (Quran 5:90-91); Christianity does not." Too bad for Islam! There is nothing evil about alcohol. In fact, red wine is good for the heart, and Paul recommended small amounts for his friend Timothy to help with a stomach ailment. Jesus even made wine out of water at a wedding feast at Cana. (Another of his many miracles) It is consuming alcohol in excess that leads to trouble. Again, Jesus said, "There is nothing outside a person, which by going into him can defile him; but the things which come out of a person are what defile him. (Mk 7:15)... 14."Bible prescribes death penalty for mere apostasy or blasphemy." Christianity is not Judaism, but even then, Judaism has moved way beyond such barbarism. Christianity never prescribed such remedies. Not so with Islam, which presents itself as morally superior. Hah!...15.Quran is preserved in its original language." False. See: http://www.studytoanswer.net/myths_ch1.html 16."Quran does not contain any clear-cut error or contradiction;." See 15... 17."Quran strongly claims to be the Revelation from God (Quran 53:4; 20:4; 36:5; 45:2; 32:2; 26:192-4; 16:102; 14:1; 2:185; etc.)" So what? Mormons make the same claim about the Book of Mormon... 18."Quran offers many falsification test and challenge to falsify its claim (Quran 4:82; 17:88; 11:13; 2:23-24; 52:33-34; 28:49; 10:37; etc.)," Gee, and Moroni dared readers of the Book of Mormon to ask God if it weren't all true... 19."There is no unfulfilled prophecy in the Quran; Bible contains many unfulfilled prophecies." Here are Messianic Prophecies Fulfilled by Jesus Christ: http://www.godonthe.net/evidence/messiah.htm And how many did you say Mohammad fulfilled? 20."(T)he words "Christianity", "Bible" and "Trinity" are not in the Bible!" Neither does the Bible mention Jesus ever emptying his bowels. Does that mean he never did? 21."Islam is for Mankind (Quran 21:107; 34:28; 7:158; etc.); Christianity is not." False. Islam was for Mohammad's perverse pleasures. Christianity exists to give us life leading to eternal life in God...In conclusion these are at least 21 ways in which Christianity demolishes Islamic claims to superiority. It must be said that there are many other ways in which Islam lies against the truth so as to keep its slaves in bondage to darkness.
Name: Taqiyya Basher
Date: Saturday February 02, 2008
Time: 14:04:51 -0700
Comment
I admire the depth and breadth of Igor the Infidel's reply to the First Comment and would only add the following: 14. "The Qur'an offers freedom of faith and religion." First Comment then offers Sura 2:256 to back up this contention along with several other verses. MAJOR TAQIYYA ALERT!!! Sura 2:256 was abrogated, under the Doctrine of Naskh, along with many other verses in the Koran which Moslems regularly trot out as 'proof' of Islam's supposed tolerance, with the Sword Verse and others of Suras 8 and 9 which call upon Moslems to either forcibly convert, subjugate as dhimmis in a persecuted status, or kill, all non-Moslems. Furthermore, Mohammad specifically stated "Whoever changed his deen (Islamic religion), then kill him." (Bukhari, Vol 9, book 88, no 6922; cf vol 4, book 56, no 3017). "Muhammad legislated for his community that no Muslim could be put to death except for murder, unlawful sexual intercourse and apostasy." (R Spencer, THE TRUTH ABOUT MUHAMMAD, p148)
Name: bobby
Date: Saturday February 02, 2008
Time: 14:43:44 -0700
Comment
the passion with which some people go after islam, it may seem like racial hatred to some. but actually, the danger is that great, that the response to it is very weak until now. For people who have no idea of the danger of islam can just watch few mins of peace tv that is broadcast via satellite to many countries, or other muslim channels to know the mindset of muslims and the danger it poses to mankind.
Name: Igor the Infidel
Date: Saturday February 02, 2008
Time: 15:39:32 -0700
Comment
Taqqiya Basher, I like your name! Thanks for the kind words, and thanks especially for mentioning the Doctrine of Naskh, which could also be called the measure of Mohammad's schizophrenia. I haven't been studying Islam for long, but when I first encountered the doctrine of abrogation, I thought, "How convenient!" When one verse of Allah's perfect and immutable revelation flatly contradicts another, then the more recent one, like the Sword Verse, supplants the older, "nicer" verse. Playing this dishonest game makes perfect sense to Islamic "scholars" because it made perfect sense to Mohammad, the perfect man! How can any sane person not gag?.... Because I am a Christian, the thing that has irritated me the most about Islam is Mohammad's casual dismissal of the crucifiction of Jesus as mere "conjecture." According to Surat al-Nisa (Women) 4:157-158 "And because of their saying: 'We slew the Messiah Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger'--They slew him not nor crucified, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain. But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise." See: http://media.isnet.org/off/XIslam/Books/Crucifixion/crucif1.html...Who was Mohammad to say such a thing, some 6 centuries after the fact? What arrogance! We are to believe that Allah tricked the soldiers into crucifying some poor fool that they thought was Jesus! This is Mohammad's perverse imagination at its most foul. He not only made the Gospel writers liars, but Jesus as well! Mohammad could easily have verified the Gospel accounts instead of relying entirely on "Jibreel's" testimony, for example, but he didn't. Why not? Because he would not yield to anyone else, this preening imposter. Instead he stole the Christians' sacred history, and invented his own to replace it. As a result BILLIONS of Muslims have lived and died not knowing the truth that they might have known had Mohammad never been born. Yes, Mohammad was hell's tool, and a most effective one at that. His wickedness is not yet completed on the earth, but it will be before too long, I believe, when the Word of God incarnate, Jesus the Christ, who did in fact die on the cross and rise from the dead as HE SAID HE WOULD, will humble Islam and its false "prophet" for the whole world to see. Islam will not be defeated in any other way, because this is spiritual warfare. It is heaven vs. hell; the truth vs. the lie. That, in any case, is my belief as a Christian. I hope to live to see that day, when the world's Muslims recognize their great error, reject Mohammad and his bloody ways, and accept the true Prince of Peace, Jesus Christ, as Lord of their lives.
Name: Igor the Infidel
Date: Saturday February 02, 2008
Time: 15:41:31 -0700
Comment
Try this link instead: http://media.isnet.org/off/XIslam/Books/Crucifixion/crucif1.html
Name: pmk
Date: Saturday February 02, 2008
Time: 16:22:33 -0700
Comment
Igor the infidel, Wonderful reply to that first post. I laughed out loud at some of his assertions. You said: Mohammad could easily have verified the Gospel accounts instead of relying entirely on "Jibreel's" testimony, for example, but he didn't. Why not? One possible answer: The man was illiterate. Others explained their faith to him and he got it wrong because he couldn't read. All he could remember were words and phrases, bits and pieces, which conveniently became part of his revelation.
Name: balam
Date: Saturday February 02, 2008
Time: 16:26:56 -0700
Comment
THE RESEARCH DONE ABOUT MUSLIM RESPONSE TO UNPLEASANT ISLAMIC FACTS BY THE AUTHOR IS VERY FACTUAL.THE MUSLIM RESPOSE;HOW ISLAM IMPROVES ON CHRISTIANITY PROVES THE ISLAMIC RESPONSE CORRECTLY.I AM GLAD THAT IGOR THE INFIDEL HAS GIVEN AN ADEQUATE REPONSE BUT IT WOULD PROVE AS PISSING IN A DESERT WHICH WONT MAKE IT FERTILE.IT WOULD BE JUST WASTE OF PISS.THE MUSLIM BRAINS ARE LIKE A COCONUT,WHICH HAS EARS ,THAT CAN NOT HEAR.IT HAS EYES WHICH CAN NOT SEE AND IT IS CLOSED.FINALLY,I WOULD DEFINE ISLAM AS;THE DISTORTED FACE OF JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANITY BY MOHAMMAD ON THE BODY OF PAGANISM,WITH DEMONIC BLOOD RUNNING THROUGH ITS VEINS.IT IS BASICALLY EVIL.
Name: pmk
Date: Saturday February 02, 2008
Time: 16:39:39 -0700
Comment
Islam improves on Christianity - you're funny. Quran is preserved in its original language; Bible is not. And which version of the Quran do you use? There are at least seven, some say as many as 14. The top seven are: 1. Nafi of Medina (d. A. D. 785) 2. Ibn Kathir of Mecca (d. A. D. 737) 3. Ibn Amir of Damascus (736) 4. Abu Amr of Basra (770) 5. Asim of Kufa (744) 6. Hamza of Kufa (772) 7. Al-Kisai of Kufa (804) 16. Quran does not contain any clear-cut error or contradiction; Bible does contain many clear-cut errors, contradictions and unscientific statements. So why are Meccan verses abrogated by Medinan verses? Why did Muhammad think the earth was flat? Surely Allah could have told him it was round! How come Allah couldn't get his message right the first time? Why did he have to constantly modify it to fit Muhammad's needs at the time? Keep trying. You'll get it right sooner or later.
Name: Igor the Infidel
Date: Saturday February 02, 2008
Time: 17:00:51 -0700
Comment
pmk, thanks! Being here and doing this is needful. The truth will out! It has angered me, quite frankly, that Christianity has been so distorted, even co-opted, by Islam, and Judaism as well. Muslims don't see a line of demarcation between Judaism and Christianity because they deny the Vicarious Atonement, that is, the New Covenant in the blood of the lamb of God, who is the very Word of God incarnate. (See: http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/lamb-of-god.htm They only see Jesus (Isa) as a prophet who pointed to Mohammad as "the spirit to come." I puke at the Islamic attempt at equating the uncreated Spirit of God with Mohammad, a man, and a very perverse man at that... Mohammad was illiterate, but one has to wonder why he NEVER, EVER learned how to read and write. At the very least, he could have assisted his scribes, to make sure they "got it right." Muslims cite this in his favor (What else can they do?) Even so, he could have had one or more of his scribes READ to him the Gospel of Luke, particularly the infancy narrative! See: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+1:26-38 which basically gives the lie to EVERYTHING that Mohammad's Jibreel/Gabriel had to say about Jesus, but then, Mohammad wasn't interested in yielding to ANYONE, as noted above.
Name: Igor the infidel
Date: Saturday February 02, 2008
Time: 17:24:10 -0700
Comment
balam, thanks, also, for the support! I've thought that Islam is hell's answer to Christianity, with a special emphasis on hatred of the Jews for having rejected Jesus as Messiah. Consider that Islam denies the Incarnation (God can't have a Son in Islam) Nor does the Son die on the Cross, according to Islam, thereby denying the Vicarious Atonement (no man can pay the penalty for another's sins in Islam). Without a death, there can be no resurrection, "And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty." 1Cor. 15:14. Consider also that hell would want to deny the Vicarious Atonement so as to make men slave away trying to please God with good works to merit salvation, when the fact of the matter is that salvation is God's gift that NO MAN can merit. Rather, good works flow from the love of God that the gift of forgiveness induces in those who have been forgiven! Forgiveness is made possible by the death of a perfectly innocent man in our place, a man who gave his life freely. Only God could do this, which is why God assumed human form in the person of Jesus of Nazareth. This is Christianity, pure and simple. Hell HATES this truth, naturally. So does Islam.
Name: R E Konrad
Date: Saturday February 02, 2008
Time: 21:04:46 -0700
Comment
The problem with islam is that submission to allah also means submission to some dumbass imam with a beard that wipes his ass with his bare hand and can't read. The complete and total ignorance I have heard comming out of sd-called muslim scholars is appalling. What muslim country produces anything but murder,rape,slavery, spousal,child and civil rights abuses and violence? What other culture advocates "suicide bombing" and promises heaven? What other religion preaches MURDER form the pulpit? Muslims are disgusting animals and should be killed on sight.....in self defense. That's absolutely guaranteed to make the assholes "peaceful". Helpful Hint: Put the bullet thru a pork chop first....that will help the peckerhead get to muslim heaven quicker.
Name: Patrick Risk
Date: Sunday February 03, 2008
Time: 07:04:56 -0700
Comment
Greetings Allat...Stating that "there's no afterlife" isn't extreme in the least. It's a fact that many refuse to accept. Faith is the partition in the brain that won't allow reason to pass. A tree is part of nature and nature and Islam are incompatible. If the tree could speak for itself, for those inclined to grasp the fairytale version of life, It would be saying that: SCHORCHED EARTH AND DEAD SCILENCE ISN'T GOOD FOR TREES! Patrick Risk
Name: Igor the Infidel
Date: Sunday February 03, 2008
Time: 07:55:00 -0700
Comment
Patrick, your comment to Allat reminded me of so-called out-of-body experiences that I'd read about here and there. A search brought up http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGIH_enUS256US256&q=out+of+body+experiences. Lots to choose from on this menu, so I went to the NYTimes link here: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/03/health/psychology/03shad.html and learned a bit about a brain region called the angular gyrus and the strange things that happen when this region is zapped with electricity. Check it out!
Name: allat
Date: Sunday February 03, 2008
Time: 15:25:09 -0700
Comment
Patrick Risk: Yeah, you can scorch a tree, you can get rid of the tree and the problem that way. But you've avoided the question:-----------"What does a tree know that you don't know?"
Name: Islam
Date: Monday February 04, 2008
Time: 14:58:39 -0700
Comment
Hi everyone Firstly, DO NOT EVEN TRY TO ARGUE WITH SICK PEOPLE WHO ARE MUSLIMS!! MUSLIMS ARE BRAINWASHED, THEY ARE SICK!! Secondly, THERE ARE NO MODERATE MUSLIMS!! MUSLIM EVEN IF BORN IN UK OR IN THE WESTERN WORLD IS STIL A MUSLIM AND WILL SEEK THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT A KNIFE INTO YOUR BACK!!! Thirdly, STOP BEING SCARED!!! ISLAMISATION OF EUROPE HAS TO BE STOPPED!!! IN THE END OF THE DAY, IF THEY DO NOT LIKE TO LIVE IN OUR WORLD - THEY CAN GO AWAY BACK TO THEIRS!! AND THE LAST - NON-MUSLIMS!! UNITE!!! THE CIVIL WAR WILL OCCUR PRETTY SOON.. WE HAVE TO UNITE TO FIGHT THE RELIGION OF BLOOD AND AGGRESSION!!
Name: Allat
Date: Monday February 04, 2008
Time: 19:58:29 -0700
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I don't have "faith" - faith is for xtians.--------I KNOW there is Life After Death. There are too many witnesses, too many experiencers that have died and come back to tell about it, The Ancient Egyptians wrote about it in "The Book of Coming Forth by Day." And in the 1st half of the last cent. Edgar Cayce informed on it, and later on raymond Moody research it. THere is also Dannion Brinkley (among others) who died 3 x and came back to write about it: Dannion Brinkley site http://www.dannion.com/main.htm Interview with Dannion Brinkley http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=273601545555107569 He's a real character, I love that man! And trees and plants do have intelligence and feelings. This has been proven by scientists in the lab, as well. Blessings,
Name: Dene Leach
Date: Tuesday February 05, 2008
Time: 06:19:06 -0700
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If somebody (especially with a knife) jumps up in front of me and starts yelling "Allah Akhbar", that person is going to find themselves on the receiving end of a barrage of bullets.
Name: Godot (an Arabic-speaking ex-Muslim)
Date: Tuesday February 05, 2008
Time: 07:30:20 -0700
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Addendum to startegy #1: (a)if the critic doesn't speak Arabic: You would not fully understand the "word of Allah" since he revealed it in his "chosen" vehicle,, ie, Arabic. You need to be a native speaker to grasp the divine intentions and comprehend the exact meaning of every word. (b)if the critic does speak Arabic: You don't master the peculiarities of the language and you are not an Arabic linguist and a religious expert to be entitled to even think to debate the "word of Allah". PS: I experienced these attitudes personally.
Name: Arbor Sylvestre
Date: Tuesday February 05, 2008
Time: 07:55:58 -0700
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to Allat: Why do you keep asking:"What does a tree know that you don't know?" Why don't you ask the tree?
Name: Mansoor Ali
Date: Tuesday February 05, 2008
Time: 09:13:31 -0700
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I use to wonder who will go to hell as God will pardon everybody. But now I am sure Hell will be Full with people like you. Good Work carry on it will only prove that how ture our religion and our prophet is.
Name: Denis Laplante
Date: Wednesday February 06, 2008
Time: 09:04:08 -0700
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Did you get this list from a booklet, or did you summarize it from speeches or bigger books? This is very... disturbing! But if this is the truth, I guess the world must know about it. Is this in all Islam, or in what the journalists have come to call Islam-ism or the extremists or terrorists. I don't want to wrongly accuse innocent people...
Name: Jagmohan Singh Khurmi
Date: Monday February 11, 2008
Time: 19:13:04 -0700
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Great ! Just great !
Name: M.ROUHAN.F
Date: Tuesday February 12, 2008
Time: 10:16:51 -0700
Comment
The verse 'slay all non-muslims' was revealed during war and in war it is necessary in war to kill ur enemy or they will kill u. Inspite of this allah says in next verse" if they want peace, give them refuge"2 The answer to ur question' quran says earth is flat' is given by me in another heading 'by logic thinker' of the same site3) I want to tell u jihad does not mean holy war, it simply means to strugle. Visit" www.answering- christianity.com
Name: M.ROUHAN.F
Date: Tuesday February 12, 2008
Time: 10:17:14 -0700
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The verse 'slay all non-muslims' was revealed during war and in war it is necessary in war to kill ur enemy or they will kill u. Inspite of this allah says in next verse" if they want peace, give them refuge"2 The answer to ur question' quran says earth is flat' is given by me in another heading 'by logic thinker' of the same site3) I want to tell u jihad does not mean holy war, it simply means to strugle. Visit" www.answering- christianity.com
Name:
Date: Tuesday February 12, 2008
Time: 10:25:41 -0700
Comment
Allah-u-AKBER
Name:
Date: Thursday February 14, 2008
Time: 04:47:31 -0700
Comment
In the verse about menustration the word 'adhu 'is used which also means impure.
Name:
Date: Thursday February 14, 2008
Time: 04:50:17 -0700
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In the verse about menustration the word 'adhu 'is used which also means impure.visit 'www.answering-christianity' and u will come to know quran says earth is round and not flat.
Name: Corrine
Date: Monday March 10, 2008
Time: 21:13:38 -0700
Comment
Just pretend this is a pretty scene and not really what it is. Imagine that you are a prophet. Then imagine you have 22 wives (minimum only four allowed for others because you know YOU are far and away more superior), one wife is a child nine of years old because your imagination ran away with you in a dream. She will have to marry you if you tell her that your god gave you special favors and commands it. That way she will not puke at your smelly old body of 57. Now, Imagine that you see your adopted son's wife in her boudoir looking so fine that you cannot control yourself and just have to have her. Her breasts have fully developed, not like the child that just won't grow up. How wonderful for a change. After all, your imaginary god jumps to please your every sexual urge. Then imagine that your imaginary god gives you permission to take her from her husband whom He gave to her, and now he changes his mind for your lusts, because now he sees it is far better than his first plan. Then imagine all the slave women who mean nothing to anyone, even their husband when it comes to your appetites and cravings. Now imagine a paradise just for men. In that paradise, there are many perpetual virgins and your imaginary god will give you strength greater that any Viagra attack. In this imaginary paradise there is rivers of wine flowing underneath, and fresh young pink cheeked boys there for any imagined fantasy that you can have. Now imagine that your fat little earthly wives, whom you were bored with in bed, do not get to come there because they are just too stupid. At least now they can't make you feel guilty by staring at you when you are doing your 24/7 ministry, sweating over 72 hot virgins. Imagine that your imaginary god now has caused you to forget all the children that he told you to send out strapped with bombs so you can gain your entrance into this brothel. After all, he does bring something better and cause you to forget his first bad ideas.