Feb.
13, 2006 issue - Back in September 2005, the liberal Danish
newspaper Jyllands-Posten published several cartoon depictions
of the Prophet Muhammad-at least one as a terrorist-although
any physical representation of the prophet is forbidden in
Islam. There was no immediate backlash, but last week, after
several other European newspapers reprinted the cartoons,
the reaction went global. Muslims from Jakarta to Istanbul
took to the streets in protest, while editors from France
to Jordan were dismissed because of their decisions to run
the drawings. NEWSWEEK's Charles Ferro spoke with Flemming
Rose, the Jyllands-Posten editor who made the original decision
to publish the cartoons, about his actions, the reaction and
the bigger issues at stake-freedom of speech and religious
sensitivity. Excerpts:
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FERRO: What was your thinking behind the
decision to publish the Muhammad cartoons back in September?
ROSE: I was concerned
about a tendency toward self-censorship among people in
artistic and cultural circles in Europe. That's why I
commissioned these cartoons, to test this tendency and
to start a debate about it.
It
was not a media stunt. We just approached that story in a
different way, by asking Danish cartoonists to draw Muhammad
as they see him. I did not ask for caricatures. I did not
ask to make the prophet a laughingstock or to mock him.
But you depicted Muhammad with a
bomb in his turban, armed with a knife and with a broken halo
that resembled satanic horns.
The cartoon with horns
didn't arouse special criticism; it was the other two. The
one with the bomb in his turban doesn't say, "All Muslims
are terrorists," but says, "Some people have taken
Islam hostage to permit terrorist and extremist acts."
These cartoons do not treat Muslims in any other way than
we treat other citizens in this country. By treating them
as equals, we are saying, "You are equal."
Why do you think Muslims are expressing
such outrage now, when other religiously offensive cartoons
have been published in the past?
I think you have to separate
this story into two parts. One part [is the debate] inside
Danish borders-that has been going on for four months.
On the [one] hand, what does freedom of religion imply, what
does respect for other people's feelings and religions imply?
You have different points of view, and I think it's problematic
if any religion-it doesn't matter if it's Islam, Christianity,
Buddhism, any religion-tries to impose its own taboos on
the public domain.
When
I go to a mosque, I behave by the rules that exist in that
holy house. I will not stand up and make a cartoon of the
holy prophet in a mosque. But I think if any religion insists
that I, as a non-Muslim, should submit to their taboos, then
I don't think they're showing me respect. I think they're
asking for my submission. This is a key issue in this debate.
You
[also] have the international story, and I believe it has
little to do with our cartoons. The people in Saudi Arabia
and some other countries who have started the action have
never seen the cartoons. They are acting on false rumors,
misinformation and direct lies.
What does this controversy say about
assimilation, or lack thereof, in Europe?
This is a clash of cultures
and, in its essence, a debate about how much the receiving
society should be willing to compromise its own standards
in order to integrate foreigners. On the other hand, how much
does the immigrant have to give up in order to be integrated?
Yours is a small Danish paper. Yet
your actions had big global ramifications. What does this
tell you about how instantly connected the world is today?
This is the first time
I've witnessed a story in a newspaper with a circulation of
150,000, in a country of just above 5 million people, becoming
a global issue. This is a challenge. It means that what you
do in a secular, modern democracy may offend people in some
parts of the world, people not living in this type of society.
I think it would be unfortunate if people in Saudi Arabia
or some parts of the world influenced what we speak about
in Denmark. [But] it's a fact of globalization, and we must
consider it.
But you tried to influence what
happens in Saudi Arabia via the messages in the cartoons.
No, I'm not doing that.
This story was about what was going on in Denmark and Northern
Europe.
So where do you draw the line between
censorship and freedom of speech?
My newspaper has its limits.
In a pluralistic society where you do have freedom of speech,
my limits should not be the limits of others. We do have laws
against racism and blasphemy.
Didn't your newspaper commit blasphemy
by depicting Muhammad? Danish
prosecutors determined around a month ago that the cartoons
were not blasphemous.
Will Jyllands-Posten apologize?
For what?