Islam Under Scrutiny by Ex-Muslims

Why be Good if there is no Afterlife?


This is the continuation of the email exchanges I had with Dr. Sohail 


Dr Sohail: I believe Islam to be the best religion in the world & Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to be the true Last Messenger of Almighty Allah. (Relax I'm not starting a debate!)

Before I get into a discussion with you over Islam here's an easy query for you to answer (kindly don't misquote & misinterpret my words): As far as I know you're an atheist which means you don't believe in the existence of God & we all know that every human being will die someday... IF FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUMENT, I agree with you that whatever you say about Islam is true then can you tell me what do you believe will happen to you after you die?

I do not know what will happen to us after we die. Most likely we simply cease to exist. Is it possible that a reality of us survive after we die? No one can’t be sure of that and I say probably the answer is “no”. There are a lot of things that we humans still do not know. Is it possible that the world is more complex than what meets the eyes? Could there be other words with different dimensions parallel to ours of which we have no knowledge? Even if such worlds exist, we have no evidence of then and therefore they belong to the realm of speculation. It is not wise to hinge our lives around things that are speculative in nature. There is only one life of which we can be certain and it is this life. We must make the most of it.

The best way to make the most of this life is to make our species advance. We humans are social animals. Our happiness depends on the happiness of our fellow beings. Nature has made us such that the greatest pleasures we feel is in giving and in helping others. Those who help others do so because they enjoy helping. There is no pleasure greater than making others happy. Animals do not have this sense. Empathy is something that has evolved in us humans. An animal has a natural drive to provide and protect her own offspring. Beyond that, except few gregarious species, animals don’t have a great sense of empathy.  

A study shows that the area of the brain associated with higher-level thinking, empathy, and guilt is underused by teenagers. When considering an action, the teenage medial prefrontal cortex, located in front of the brain, doesn't get as much action as adults. Empathy is a basic part of human nature that allows people to care about others. This study suggests that empathy is a learned behavior that develops in humans as they age.  

Another study suggests damage to the brain limits empathy. When asked if they would kill someone for a greater cause, such as saving more people, those with damaged brains often responded positively while the subjects with normal brains were not prepared to kill someone even for a greater cause. According to Dr. Antonio Damasio, one of the study’s lead authors, “Part of our moral behavior is grounded ... in a specific part of our brains,"  

Some cultures are noticeably more empathic than others. High on the list are Hindus and the westerners. Low on the list, are Muslims in general, irrespective of their race or nationality. This is clear from the emails that they send me, (many of which I have published in this site.) They often rationalize the pain and suffering caused to non-Muslims, citing Abu Ghraib, Hiroshima , Palestine and other unrelated topics to justify their own atrocities. Muslims do not feel the pain of other Muslims either. They are constantly fighting and shedding each others’ blood.  The very Islamic belief that God would burn the non-Muslims for eternity, and their inability to see anything wrong in this patent injustice is a clear indication of their lack of empathy.  

Now, it would be unreasonable to assume that Muslims as a group are brain damaged. However, it is fair to say that their level of empathy is comparable to those with damaged brains. So how can we understand the general lack of empathy in Muslims at large? This conundrum can be explained through the findings of another study.

A French and American team of social-cognitive neuroscientists have identified a network of brain regions that are involved in human imitation. The scope of the research was to find the neurological basis of social interaction, particularly empathy.  The team is headed by neuroscientist Jean Decety of France 's Institut de la Santé et de la Recherche Médicale and a visiting scientist at the University of Washington 's Center for Mind, Brain & Learning, and developmental psychologist Andrew Meltzoff, co-director of the center.

Their study suggests that empathy is learned through imitation. "This work is important because imitation is a natural procedure. We don't learn to imitate. It is part of our biological nature and we are born to imitate," said Decety.

Children learn empathy if they see empathy. It is a mistake to assume all cultures are equal or buy into the lie that all people are the same and that bad and good are equally distributed among all nations. There are definitely nations that are better than other. There are societies that generally lack empathy. In the western society good is the norm and bad people are exceptions, Among the Muslims the reverse is true. Now this makes no sense, since we are all genetically made of the same stock and are the same species. The only difference is education, belief systems and ethos.  

Westerners are very likely to give money to charities, even when they are not necessarily wealthy. Muslims in general do not give to charities unless they believe they will be rewarded for it in the next world. Islamic charities are not geared to help the poor but to promote Islam, such as build mosques, pint the Quran and distribute it for free, or finance Jihad. This is how a Muslim perceives charity. Muslims also give to the poor. However, the intent is not to improve the life of the poor but to gain the pleasure of Allah and be rewarded in the afterlife. I recall once I stayed at the home of an aunt and a beggar knocked at the door asking for something to eat. My aunt went to the kitchen, got a piece of bread and some cheese and gave it to him. But before, she rotated the food around my head. I perfectly knew why she was doing it. According to her belief system by rotating the food around someone’s head she was taking away the ill surrounding that person and giving it away to the beggar. As a child I believed this to be true and felt guilt. I did not want someone else take away my ills just for a piece of bread. This kind of charity is called sadaqeh. The intent of sadaqeh is to send away the ill and give it to someone else.  

An entire society can lack empathy. If the ethos of a society does not promote empathy people do not learn it. The evolution of empathy in the West is recent. Only a hundred years ago the westerners felt no qualm colonizing other nations, subjugating them and exploiting them. The Opium war that the British waged against the Chinese is only a token of the lack of empathy of Europeans towards other people. Another example is what the Germans did only sixty years ago. However, it is unlikely that either the Germans or the British of today would allow their governments to commit such acts of inhumanity. The ethos of these people has changed and as the result their level of empathy is also changed.  

Many ex-Muslims will tell you that prior to their rejection of Islam they had no empathy for the pains of the non-Muslims and some have even confessed that they were genuinely elated when they heard about the September 11 calamity that killed many kafirs. Even the westerners, upon converting to Islam lose their empathy. Yvonne Riddley, the BBC journalist who converted to Islam, has given her support to the terrorists and has justified their murder of innocent people including the children of Beslan. Joseph Cohen, a Jew who changed his name to Yusuf Khattab after converting to Islam, has also expressed his approval of the killing of Israelis, including their children.  

It is clear that we can develop empathy or lose it through education and belief. Actually it is amazing how fast one can acquire empathy or lose it. I felt no pain or sorrow upon hearing the violent death of Musab al Zarqawi, the Jordanian terrorist who had killed over a thousand people in Iraq , nor did I feel any sadness upon the execution of Saddam Hussein.  I must confess that I even felt relieved, and the news of their death felt good. Now, this feeling is generally alien to me. I often feel the pain of others, not just in my mind but even in m body. Watching the picture of a woman being stoned makes my body ache, as if I am being stoned. Despite the proliferation of the videos of beheadings, I have not been able to watch any of them yet. I feel the knife on my own throat and have to stop the video or close my eyes. The only way I can explain this double standard is that we humans must have the ability to switch on and off our empathy “button” at will. When terrorists are killed I justify their death and feel good and when innocent people are killed I feel I am being violated and empathize with them. This is the choice I have made. The Muslims who find themselves on the other side of the fence and sympathize with the terrorist empathize with them while rejoice anytime an innocent person is killed. What separates good people from bad people is the causes that they embrace and since the definition of good and bad for each person is different, people commit evil with clear conscience once they embrace ideologies that are evil.  

This makes our problem very clear. It is evil ideologies that reduce people into bloodthirsty beasts and heartless killers. It is these ideologies that we have to fight and eliminate. People are the same everywhere. We were all born innocent. What makes us different is our belief systems.

Muslim children are nurtured with the hatred of the non believers, particularly the Jews. Even a “moderate” Muslim like Dr. Mahathir, the ex-Prime minister of Malaysia, who probably has never had shaken hand with a Jew in his life, was so much filled with their hatred that in his speech addressed to all the Muslim leaders of the world, blamed the Jews for everything that is wrong in the Muslim world. When people grow in such an environment filled with hate, there is little room for empathy. As the result Muslims have no empathy.   

Empathy makes us not only feel the pain of others, but also their happiness. Isn’t it true that seeing someone happy automatically makes you happy? The reverse is also true. Seeing a person in pain and anguish saddens and concerns us. Those who have high levels of empathy can rejoice in the happiness others. This is the crux of the matter.  

Why should we be kind to others, help our fellow beings and striving to bring happiness to their lives, if there is no hell and heaven? The answer is that once we develop empathy, we do not need other compensation for our good deeds. The fact that our deed is going to help someone and make him or her happy is by itself rewarding. It is the happiness of others that makes us happy. Many people did not know Nazanin, the young Iranian girl who was sentenced by the Islamic courts to be hanged for defending herself against a rapist, which accidentally killed him. People felt her pain and started a campaign to raise the public awareness to her plight and set her free. Under the pressure of the world opinion the courts in Iran buckled and Nazanin was released. Her big smile after gaining her freedom brought joy to the hearts of all those who had strived for her freedom. I felt elated and tears of joy bubbled in my eyes even though I do not know this young woman. This is called empathy. We feel the pain of others and rejoice in their happiness. There is no other reward needed in making someone happy. The reward is instantaneous and it is in our very deeds.  

So, why we have to be good to each other? It is because it makes us feel good. That is all there is to it. The reward and punishment for our actions are right here in this world our very actions.  

What about those people who have no empathy, like criminals, the brain damaged and the Muslims? They are mishaps. Criminals and the brain damaged. Muslims must be weaned from their cultic belief. As long as they are Muhammadan’s and to the degree that they follow that psychopath, there is very difference between Muslims and criminals or brain damaged people. The actions of their terrorists are eloquent testimony to this claim. 

Whether we like it or not and whether it is politically correct to say it or not, we have to accept the fact that Muslims, and here I mean those believing and practicing Muslims who regularly go to the mosque and fill their minds with the venomous sermons, have little empathy for the rest of mankind. What distinguishes us humans from lower forms of life is empathy. .     

As I stated above, empathy can be learned and it can be switched off and on. Once Muslims leave Islam they often acquire empathy quite fast. Suddenly they can see other humans as fellow beings and feel their sorrow and happiness. The reverse is also true. Once a non-Muslim falls into the trap of Islam, it takes very little time before he or she starts hating everyone and everything.  

Dante described hell as a place where there is no hope. I agree with that description and add one more. Hell is where there is no love. By this definition, Muslims live in hell. They wake up every morning and go to bed every night feeling nothing but hatred of mankind? A hatred that is fueled by lies, so intense that derives them to commit suicide in order to take their revenge. This is hell.      

We humans care about each other. That is because our survival as a species depends on it. Therefore, empathy is natural and a necessity of life in us humans. In giving, we enrich our own lives. Giving validates our sense of humanness and makes us feel complete.  We feel pleasure in giving, in helping, in making others happy and in alleviating people’s pain. This is very natural to us humans, unless we lose it through evil indoctrination. One does not need any religion or belief to have empathy because it is part of our evolutionary make up, just like intelligence. However, like intelligence it has to be nurtured to develop. Since religion is the expression of everything that is noble and good in us humans, most religions emphasize on this aspect of our humanness and encourage us to be giving, loving and helping. Nonetheless, it is a mistake to assume that it is because of religion that we have empathy. It is actually the other way round. Religions have adopted what is intrinsically human and as much part of our evolution as is intelligence.  

Islam is a different story. Islam is the invention of a very sick psychopathic mind.  The author of Islam was a narcissist. The religion that he invented was intended only to advance his own narcissistic dreams of grandiosity and power. As the result Islam is extremely evil. Unlike other major religions, such as Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism or Zoroastrianism, Islam reduces its followers into zombies and evil beings. It takes away their humanity and makes them monsters, unworthy to be called humans. Other religions are mix bags of good and bad. Islam is all bad. With false promises of a shamefully orgiastic afterlife and threats of hell, it rubs the intelligence and the conscience of its victims reducing them into little more than beasts. Once you lose your humanity, there is nothing left in you than bestiality. Take a look at what is happening in Iraq and Palestine these days where Muslims are killing one another in the most savage way. This is not new. Muslims have been tearing each other apart since the day Muhammad died. That evil soul laid the foundation of bestiality among his foolhardy followers and reduced them into mindless killing machines.  

Whether there is an afterlife or not, we don’t know. Assuming there is, of one thing we can be sure, and that is evildoers will not be rewarded. Muslims who follow Muhammad and inspired by his teachings of hate go against human nature and kill their kind can’t expect to be rewarded. If there is a hell Muhammad is in the pit of it. Every Muslim who follows him and abuses other humans in the name of Islam will also be sent to hell. If there is a hell it is filled with Muslims. If God exists, he must be just. He will not leave evil people unpunished. Ignorance is not an excuse. God gave all humans the faculty to distinguish right from wrong and Muslims willingly chose evil.  


The Quest for Immortality  

It is my belief that we humans are the only species that is aware of its mortality. In fact I recall the day I became aware of human mortality. It was a traumatic experience. I was about eight or nine years old when an elderly lady who was our aquatint was hit by a truck and died. I was shocked by the realization that she was gone for good. I kept asking “why”. My mother reassured me that she has gone to a better place. I accepted her explanation because it made me feel better.  

Because we humans are aware of our mortality, we seek immortality. We want to beat the death. How we do that depends very much on our maturity and our ability to think rationally. Primitive humans solved this problem by promoting the belief that they will transcend death by either resuscitating or by acquiring an incorruptible body in a new (spiritual) dimension.  Rational people find it hard to accept this assumption. They satisfy their quest for immortality by trying to leave a trace of themselves behind. This sentiment was beautifully expressed by Orianna Fallachi, who in her last days, while cancer was fast depleting her vital energy, ran against the time to write three books, warning the west of the looming danger of Islamization of Europe. She said, “Through these books I will die a little less.”  

This is what derives people who do not believe in an afterlife. They seek their immortality, by leaving a trace of themselves. Painters, poets, writers, philosophers, inventors, strive to die a little less through their work.  

One does not have to be necessarily a painter or a writer to become immortal. We can outlive our death and acquire immortality through our deeds. Our deeds have a ripple effect and their echo lasts for decades, centuries or even millennia after we die. Abused people abuse! This abuse passes from one generation to another. Acts of kindness also pass from one generation to another and last. In this sense we are all immortal. We all live through our deeds.  

So, the answer to your question, what will happen to me after I die, is: I don’t know. My guess is that I cease to exist. I return to nothingness just as I was before I came into this world. However, like you and everyone else, I too seek immortality. Unlike you I do not seek my immortality in a bogus promise of a mentally deranged man and a pedophile, psychopath mass murderer. That would be the acme of stupidity. I seek my immortality through my deeds. I strive to leave a trace of myself in this world – the best part of me. I do my best to ease people’s pains, to bring joy where there is sorrow; to shed light where there is darkness, to impart knowledge where there is ignorance and to spread understanding where there is confusion. I have chosen my goal and have determined my purpose of life. I want to be an instrument of peace.  I will not be fooled by spurious promises of the afterlife but will cling to what is real and concrete. Goodness is real and I strive to be good and do good.  

Goodness will survive after we die. Of that I can be certain. Can you be certain that your “soul” will survive after you die? What if Muhammad lied? What else he said that was true? You are the big loser because all you did in this world was to plant hate and do evil. You came to this world and left it worse. You took the evil that Muhammad brought and spread it. You wasted your life chasing a wild goose and in the process brought more pain and misery to mankind. You have made life hell for yourself and others. You belong to hell, while I belong to paradise. My paradise is right here. I want to render this world into paradise.  


Dr Sohail: You say, “(Please, quote some authentic sources with references, NOT YOUR PERSONAL BELIEFS. Do refrain from quoting Muslim sources on this.)  

Why should I quote someone else when I am endowed with a mind of my own and can use it? Are we sheep to follow someone else? Why can’t YOU use your own brain and say something of your own and not quote a dead Arab of the seventh century?  I give you my opinion. If you seek the opinion of others, ask THEM.    


Dr Sohail:I repeat again, I'll debate you, at least once, on Islam but after a break.

Thank you again for clarifying the answer to my previous offer on public debate.

(P.S.: I'll not answer anything you write to me other than about the query above.)

Who said I seek debate with you or with anyone? I have written millions of words explaining my thoughts and have made them available on this site for free. You are most welcome to read them, pick what you want and leave what you don’t. If I debate it is to make everyone realize Islam is a lie. I want Muslims leave Islam because I care about them and I care about this world and everyone living in it.


Dr Sohail: Can you kindly show me a link on your website, for verification, where you've proclaimed to every reader that comes to your site that you'll present yourself to die if any Muslim can successfully refute ANY ONE of your arguments against Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)?  

Thank U & Allah Hafiz,

I did not say this before but I say it now. If you or anyone can prove my charges against our psychopath prophet, I will come to any event that you Muslims may organized, knowing fully well that what you actually have prepared for me is not a public debate but my assassination.  

I say this, not because I have any desires to die. On the contrary I love life and want to live it to the max. It is only by living that I can leave a trace of myself and “die a little less.”  I say this because I am certain that no one can refute any of my charges against Muhammad.

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Name: No Sharia
Date: Saturday June 30, 2007
Time: 05:17:00 -0700


..knowing fully well that what you actually have prepared for me is not a public debate but my assassination." Well, we all can make mistakes at least regarding small matters, which really don´t mean anything. Even if you are extremely knowledgeable, you may of course have misunderstood some little thing about Muhammad. But your "promise" regards something fairly important ("any of my c h a r g e s against Muhammad"). Misunderstandings about small matters are not charges in that meaning. So that means that we will still have you among us for many, many decades.

Name: Death to Islam
Date: Saturday June 30, 2007
Time: 21:49:04 -0700


Islam is the worst religion & ideology ever.

Name: igniz
Date: Sunday July 01, 2007
Time: 04:34:35 -0700


I joined faithfreedom and i was banned from entering it a few days later.If muslims think their religion is true why are they afraid of debate where they cannot use voilence.

Name: researcher
Date: Monday July 02, 2007
Time: 13:21:54 -0700


What says SURAH 17,100-105 ? What says 1 kings 28,28 and compare to next; What says 1 Moos 4,7 -compare the muslim way to pray..

Name: researcher
Date: Monday July 02, 2007
Time: 13:22:21 -0700


What says SURAH 17,100-105 ? What says 1 kings 28,28 and compare to next; What says 1 Moos 4,7 -compare the muslim way to pray..

Name: Bobby
Date: Monday July 02, 2007
Time: 20:47:30 -0700


Enough people don't care beyond their immediate surroundings to realize what a threat Islam is. With no background knowledge they try to strike a "balance" between islamist and anti-islamists. Will they still feel a need to be balanced in cases where you have to choose between people who would behead you and people who would embrace you? excellent article ali sina. keep up the good work.

Name: A Christian that knows what the Quran teaches.
Date: Tuesday July 03, 2007
Time: 09:42:21 -0700


Present yourself to die if any Muslim can successfully refute any one of your arguments against Muhammed. Dr. Sohail you have just promoted Islam's violent nature against anybody who criticizes Islam. Most Christians do not agree with Ali Sina's beliefs, but we do not make death threats or use violence when somebody criticizes what we believe. Jesus never advocated such beliefs. He promoted compassion and love towards with one another. Islam does not promote this concept.

Name: suherman
Date: Monday July 16, 2007
Time: 07:35:13 -0700


hai all, very interesting to read all this. but i find something annoying. you dont believe in Muhammad and quran, find, i respect that. but not believing in afterlife ?? wow that just awesome! why ? because in this life there can be no "real justice". some people got very lucky and commiting alot of crime but never being punish. some doing all the best work a person can do, and get killed horibly, some get rapes and die, some stealing,robbing and never caught, some die old age, some doesnt last a day. some got perfect body, other never had an eye, leg, arm, or an ear. justice is something that universaly inside everyone. maybe the balance sometime broken but its there. islam is all about justice. you do something good than you can expect the reward, if you do something bad than get ready for the payback, if not in this life than the afterlife is waiting. simple and clear. ask your heart for everything you do and be prepare for the responsibility.

Name: just saying
Date: Wednesday July 18, 2007
Time: 15:01:31 -0700


A Christian that knows what the Quran teaches- If you really know what the Quran teaches, you probably would not say what you did. Islam does promote peace and violence is looked down upon. The battles fought in the Golden Ages were because of broken treaties and the freedom to practice religion. If you are talking about present day, terrorism is not wholly based on Islam. They use it as an excuse for violence.

Name: Mohd Ali
Date: Friday July 20, 2007
Time: 08:24:49 -0700


Thanks to Psycho Muhammed this World is a liveing HELL!!

Name: allat
Date: Friday July 20, 2007
Time: 10:28:30 -0700


Well, Mr. ALi, it doesn't matter whether you're an atheism or whatever. That's your privilege, your personal right. One doesn't need the 10 Commandments (copies of Sumerian Laws - and several are duplicates - as well as treating women like articles, and accepting slavery) outer rules, either. Somehow, one knows when one is doing something that will harm others. Allat - Pagan Pantheist

Date: Sunday August 19, 2007
Time: 02:47:47 -0700


Jesus is a prophet of Allah and is not god

Date: Saturday August 25, 2007
Time: 16:15:31 -0700


thanks ! Mr sina you are a genius! and if there is a heaven , you surly deserve the highest ranks of ot !

Name: Ali Sina's mum
Date: Tuesday October 02, 2007
Time: 07:25:47 -0700


Ali, please come home.

Name: A true believer of Islam
Date: Tuesday October 30, 2007
Time: 00:55:34 -0700


I dont't think u could have been a muslim ever.Had it been u would not have converted.Well i have read many of your articles and believe me my faith towards islam has been strenghten.Thanks to u.Regarding your query that why muslims are not debating u if they are right well we have been told to spread the message of Islam and the rest will be done.If u have been a good muslim u could have known.Whether others believe us that's not our responsibility.On the day of judgement we will see who will be among the kaafirs in hell fire and who will be in heaven.All those who are supporting you and giving favourable comments i am asking them have they ever read Quran that they are giving judghement.Please don't mislead other by coping things that favours you leaving behind things thats against you.Show them the true Islam according to Quran and not what muslims do.

Date: Thursday November 01, 2007
Time: 07:32:58 -0700


Name: Ali sina is a cunt
Date: Monday November 26, 2007
Time: 18:01:37 -0700


iranians are like that, the day they step outside iran they become honourless pieces of crap... look at iranian women they spread legs for nothing and ali sina is probably a son of a whore as well... iranians are lickin american ass... african americans know that islam is the right religion... when muhammad gave bilal rights 1400 years ago americans killed blacks for being black 50 years ago... god i hate iranians

Date: Wednesday August 20, 2008
Time: 09:53:39 -0700



Name: AMIN
Date: Wednesday August 20, 2008
Time: 10:13:43 -0700



Name: AMIN
Date: Wednesday August 20, 2008
Time: 10:23:01 -0700



Name: A very proud ex-muslim!
Date: Monday December 29, 2008
Time: 09:54:53 -0500


Mr Sina, as we all can see, this man's conclusion of you presenting yourself to die (if any muslim can refute any of your arguments)only further emphasizes what you always said and what we know about muslims! They hate everyone, why didn't he say you publicly renounce your site and re-embrace Islam, gosh, they are just filled with hatred. Your answer to him is just perfect, Kudos!!!!

Name: archetype_part.1
Date: Monday January 26, 2009
Time: 11:19:42 -0500


Mr. Sina. _______________________________________________ First of all you should change the title of this article from 'Why be good if no Afterlife' to 'All Muslims are Phycopathic beasts and they are living and will wrought in hell'. The title you've written doesn't carry your hearty, true emotions. Be expressive in them as you are in your articles.

Name: archetype_part.2
Date: Monday January 26, 2009
Time: 11:24:32 -0500


Secondly. You keep talking about EMPATHY and how except each and every person from Prophet Mohammad (s.a.w) to this time who belongs to islam everybody understands it. I say YOU are the one who is FULL of HATE and without empathy.

Name: archetype_part.3
Date: Monday January 26, 2009
Time: 11:35:23 -0500


Thirdly. Most important, I think you are either very effectively brainwashed through the constant showcase of media and other sources of muslims as bad ones, coupled with the fear of being persecuted or rather killed by westeners by accusing you of a terrorist. OR you just hate islam and muslims (i dont know why) and should stop calling yourself an ex-muslim cause it make me die of shame that people like existed in our religion. I think you were never a muslim, and are using a rouge identity to make an impression on God knows who.

Name: archetype_part.4
Date: Monday January 26, 2009
Time: 11:39:31 -0500


I thank you very much and this website that because of you I am more tilted towards God and my Prophet (s.a.w). Also, I thank God that he didn't make me a HATE-MONGER like YOU.

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