Muhammad and Safiyah: How the Prophet Acquired Safiyah as His Sex-slave
27 Nov, 2008
(Note: The conversations between Muhammad & others is created based on Islamic sources.)
Prophet and his jihadis offered fajar prayers in early morning
darkness outside of Khaybar. Then they attacked the villagers who
were just leaving homes to work in the fields carrying spades and
other farming tools.
BLOODSHED AFTER FAJAR PRAYER
Bukharee, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 510:
Narrated Anas bin Malik: We reached Khaibar early in the morning and the inhabitants of Khaibar came out carrying their spades, and when they saw the Prophet they said, "Muhammad! By Allah! Muhammad and his army!" The Prophet said, "Allahu-Akbar! Khaibar is destroyed."
KINANA BEHEADED
Kinana , the injured chief of Khaybar was brought to the prophet.
Mohammed: Kinana , where did you hide the treasure.?
Kinana: Treasure? We don’t have any? We are farmers not bandits like you...
Mohammed: Mind your language Kinana, you are talking to a prophet of God..
Kinana: Prophet of God my ass. You are a killer and a rapist....
Mohammed: Zubayr get him away from me and cut off his tongue.
(Ibn Ishaq: 595 “The Apostle said, ‘Get him away from me and cut off his tongue)
Zubayr: Rasulullah, .. if we cut off his tongue how will we make him talk..
Mohammed: OK, then torture him and make him talk.
(Zubayr collected some dry wood and lighted a fire on Kinana’s chest and moved it around with a rod to give him maximum pain. . Kinana was already badly injured and bleeding. He passed out without talking.)
Mohammed: The bastard passed out.. Maslamah cut off his head .
Tabari VIII:122; Ishaq:515:
“The Prophet gave orders concerning Kinanah to Zubayr, saying, ‘Torture him until you root out and extract what he has. So Zubayr kindled a fire on Kinanah’s chest, twirling it with his firestick until Kinanah was near death. Then the Messenger gave him to Maslamah, who beheaded him.”
ROUNDING UP OF CAPTURED WOMEN
The most exciting part of a jihad for jihadis was distribution of captured women. First Prophet picked his 20% cut, mostly very young and pretty ones., then one by one names of jihadis were drawn by a lottery and captured women were distributed among them.
All the mujahids started rounding up Khaybar women and bringing them to the holding compound... Bilal entered the Kinana household and grabbed his lovely 17 year old wife Safiyah and her two younger cousins who were hardly 9 and 10 year old . They were brought to the prophet. On the way they saw the dead bodies of their murdered family members and the headless body of Kinana.
Mohammed was drinking grape wine (it was before prohibition) with Ali, Usman , Omar, Zubayr and Dihya near the decapitated body of Kinana which was lying in a pool of blood . (Grape wine was rare and expensive and only the top brass indulged in it. Common jihadis drank date wine).
Bukhari 7:69:486:
Narrated Anas:
"Before alcoholic drinks were prohibited, we could rarely find wine made from grapes in Medina, for most of our liquors were made from unripe and ripe dates.
Safiyah went berserk when she saw Prophet celebrating with buddies near her husband’s decapitated body. She attacked him cursing loudly. .
Prophet’s drinking utensil slipped from his hand spilling his favourite wine.."
SAFIYAH GIVEN TO DIHYA
Mohammed: See what you did bitch , cant you see I am drinking? Dihya control this She devil and take her away
Dihya: What do you want me to do with her Rasulullah?
Mohammed: Take her to your tent and enjoy her. She is all yours..
Dihya: Shukran Rasulullah Shukran.
Dihya took the beautiful and shapely teenager to his tent....Safiyah fought hard and resisted as she was disrobed to be violated. . Soon a crowd gathered to see the commotion in Dihya’s tent. They were awestruck with Safiyah’s figure and beauty. . Several jihadis ran to the Prophet and praised Safiyah’s form in front of him..
Sahih Muslim 8:3329:
Anas, (Allah be pleased with him) reported: Safiyah (Allah be pleased with her) fell to the lot of Dihya in the spoils of war, and they praised her in the presence of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: We have not seen the like of her among the captives of war.
Prophet’s 30-man libido kicked in and instantly aroused him .
Mohammed: Ali go right away and retrieve Safiyah from Dihya.
Ali went right away and found Dihya still trying to subdue Safiyah. He ordered him to leave her alone, but Dihya ignored the command... Ali then kicked Dihya’s bare bottom with such a violent force with his iron toed sandal that Dihya defecated blood and .collapsed over Safiyah.. Ali retrieved Safiyah and and brought her to the prophet.. Limping and protesting Dihya also followed them... .
. Mohammed threw his robe over Safiyah to claim her.. But Dihya was not prepared to give in..
Bukhari 5:59:512:
Safiya was amongst the captives, She first came in the share of Dahya Alkali but later on she belonged to the Prophet
DIHYA OFFERED TWO FOR ONE DEAL
Dihya: Rasulullah, that is not fair at all. You had given Safiyah to me.
Mohammed: “I changed my mind. I will give you two of Safiyah’s young cousins in her place. You will love them, they are both very young and virgins. You can have a great threesome tonight”..
(Muslim 8:3329: “He was given two young cousins of Safiyah in
leiu of Safiyah by the prophet”.)
Dihya: “Rasulullah I don’t enjoy little girls....You can keep them., just return Safiyah to me
Mohammed: “Dihya don’t be a pest. I will sweeten the pot and throw in five young men .You can have double pleasure tonight, two girls and five men.”..
Dihya: “I don’t do men either, please kindly return my Safiyah”.
Mohammed: Okay what if I offered .five camels instead of men and the two girls, seven heads in all”.
Dihya: Rasulullah I have enough camels from the last jihad. I just need Safiyah”
(Now the Prophet got really ticked off.)
Mohammed: “Dihya, you stubborn mule, just take what I offered before I change my mind and have your private parts removed instead.”
(Dihya knew prophet meant what he said. He took the two young girls and five camels left in a hurry..)
(Sahih Muslim 8:3328: “Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him)
got her (Safiyah) in exchange of seven heads”.)
PROPHET RAPES SAFIYAH
Mohammed then hurried to his tent with Safiyah.. There were three girls already in Prophet’s tent with whom he had a foursome the previous night. Mohammed called out Ali Usman and Umar.
Mohammed: Ali take Raytah, Usman you take Zainab, Umar you like little girls so take this little girl, she is hardly five...
(The History of Tabari, Vol. 8, p. 29-30:
From his share of captive women, prophet gave his son-in-law, Ali a slave girl, Raytah bt Hilal to enjoy her at his will. He also presented Uthman b. Affan, his son-in-law, another slave girl Zainab b. Hayan, and bestowed another girl (name unknown) to his father in-law Omar Ibn Khattab. Omar gave that girl to his son Abdullah.)
Safiyah: Mohammed how can you be so cruel, you made those girls orphans killing their parents, then raped them all night and the next day you passed them on to other men.
Mohammed: Aya 4:20 gives all muslim men that privilege of changing their women at will..
Safiyah: And that five year old girl you gave to Umar, how could you have intercourse with her...
Mohammed: Who said I had intercourse with her. . I only thighed her.. It is my rule never to have sex with girls below the age of 8..
ISLAMIC SUNNA OF THIGHING
By Grand Muft Abu Abdullah Muhammad Al-Shemary, the grand scholar of the Fatwa committee, reference number 1809, 3/8/1421 .
“She was six years of age and he could not have intercourse with her due to her small age. That is why [the prophet] peace and prayer of Allah be upon him placed HIS [MALE] MEMBER BETWEEN HER THIGHS AND MASSAGED IT SOFTLY”
When Mohammed made advances towards Safiyah, she resisted. How could she submit to a man who had had killed her near and dear ones just a few hours back.
Mohammed: What is your problem Safiyah.
Safiyah: Mohammed, I don’t like those who kill innocent men and rape their women..
Mohammed: What are you talking about., it was not us, but Allah who killed them by our hands. Here is the aya 8.17: "It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah..."
Besides kafir are
never innocents, they are fair games for us,.
Once we kill them we are allowed sex with their wives and daughters according to to ayas 4.3,4.24,23.6,33.50 and 70.30. So stop this nonsense and let me have you. I don’t have time to waste. If you resist I will give you back to Dihya and bring in other girls.
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Safiyah realized resistance was futile.. She will get raped any ways, either by prophet or another jihadi. At least Prophet had a regular supply of slave-girls from his 20% cut of booty and many resident wives. She will be hit less for sex less often... With a regular jihadi she will be raped day and night then sold in a slave market to the highest bidder. She gave up the fight and laid motionless while the prophet got his jollies.
In the middle of night Prophet noticed a man peeping through a hole in the tent and watching the action... The Prophet grabbed his arrow head and poked the eye of the offender stealthily putting his eye out...
Bukhari 9:83:38a:
Narrated Anas:
A man peeped into the dwelling place (tent) of the Prophet. The Prophet got up and aimed a sharp-edged arrow head at him to poke him stealthily.
After a few hours of sleep and taajjud prayers, the prophet
approached Safiyah again for more action when he heard some movement
near his tent. He figured the Peeping Tom was back for seconds..
This time the Prophet was so pissed off he decided to go out and cut
off the manhood of the stubborn peeping Tom.. .
Ibn Hisham, p. 766
Safiyah was captured in the Khaibar raid and was claimed by the apostle as his share of booty.. She was then seventeen. In the early dawn, the Prophet suspected some movement near the tent . It was Abu Ayyub (apparently the earlier peeping Tom was some one eles) He asked him what he was doing near his tent (Abu Ayyub had not gotten any captured woman in this raid, so apparently he was getting his jollies by checking out action in other tents).He replied: "I was afraid for you with this young lady. You had killed her father, her husband and many of her relatives, and till recently she was an unbeliever. I was really afraid for you on her account and was guarding you" (he didn’t have to keep an eye on them to guard them). The Prophet (either Mo bought the lie or felt pity for the horny man who had put his life on line in the raid yet was without a captured woman and spent the night looking around) prayed for Abu Ayyub al-Ansari.
Sixty something Prophet had a gala time with the grieving teenage widow that night. Next day he covered her in a burqa and proclaimed her as one of his wives.
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Name: sickening...i started puking good article,pls keep up the good work
Date: Wednesday November 26, 2008
Time: 23:23:52 -0500
Comment
sickening...i started puking good article,pls keep up the good work
Name: duh_swami
Date: Wednesday November 26, 2008
Time: 23:53:04 -0500
Comment
I like the way you put it...
Name: Ibrahim
Date: Thursday November 27, 2008
Time: 01:26:05 -0500
Comment
Dear Ayesha, i really like the way you write.Not only does it prove that True Muslims are brain dead zombies but it also shows that following in the footsteps of their Prophet Muslims also have legalised rape, lechery, loot, raids, genocide as legimate weapons of destruction.It goes on to show that the danger we face is Clear and Present, humanity has to stand up to this evil NOW.
Name: Mad Mo
Date: Thursday November 27, 2008
Time: 01:54:07 -0500
Comment
There is no doubt that Mad Mo was a sex maniac of the most terrible kind. Now his devout followers are emulating Mad Mo.
Name: vbv
Date: Thursday November 27, 2008
Time: 03:23:29 -0500
Comment
Muslims have the worst of men in history to be a founder of a socalled "religion" which is nothing but murder,plunder,massacre,rape,and practice 'hard-porn'.Yechh! And this is masquerading as 'religion' with 1.2 billion brainwashed zombies believing all this unholy barbaric crap! Anyway , well done Ayesha for another exposure of the dark reality of the most barbaric and vulgar cult of Islam.
Name: TO sickening...i started puking good article,pls keep up the good work
Date: Thursday November 27, 2008
Time: 04:40:08 -0500
Comment
What a bird brain, sickening...i started puking good article,pls keep up the good work. Yes keep posting these kind of stuff daily so we could puke all the time.
Name: J.K.
Date: Thursday November 27, 2008
Time: 10:22:48 -0500
Comment
Great article Ayesha.You filled in the blanks very correctly.
Name: Ali Khalaf
Date: Thursday November 27, 2008
Time: 10:25:38 -0500
Comment
Ayesha, as usual you wrote a very contextual and entertaining article.
Name: Mohammad was a sex maniac and expert in cheating
Date: Thursday November 27, 2008
Time: 10:27:22 -0500
Comment
Mohammad was a sex maniac and expert in cheating the ignorent people.This shows how ignorence and illetery and lack of introspection amoung people lead to great disasters.You should blame then world community also for not rationalising and civilizing forbidden arab people in the desert about god ,humnity and commonsence.
Name: ex muslim
Date: Thursday November 27, 2008
Time: 12:31:37 -0500
Comment
And yet muslim see nothing wrong in any of these events. Their prophet is the perfect human being for whom Allah created the universe. Muhammad....what a load of shit!
Name: ex muslim
Date: Thursday November 27, 2008
Time: 12:31:44 -0500
Comment
And yet muslim see nothing wrong in any of these events. Their prophet is the perfect human being for whom Allah created the universe. Muhammad....what a load of shit!
Name: i want to perpetrate suicide
Date: Thursday November 27, 2008
Time: 17:29:24 -0500
Comment
i want to perpetrate suicide bcz i am living in a muslim country(iran) and in this country there is not happy freedom and enjoyment. i have 23 years old but for islamic low i cant have free relation with a girl and i have to masturbate .the life is so terrible for me please help me i have no hope to life how i can leave yhis nasty hell named iran? please help to a Miserable ex muslim iwant to emigrate and live beside you, work with you and enjoy with you. i am dying in iran.
Name: Mo the lover boy
Date: Thursday November 27, 2008
Time: 17:55:46 -0500
Comment
He f---ed his way into the hearts of a billion muslims.
Name:
Date: Thursday December 04, 2008
Time: 00:13:16 -0500
Comment
Hahaha i can`t believe this religion. Garbage crap.
Name: Mujahid
Date: Wednesday December 10, 2008
Time: 22:26:01 -0500
Comment
Pitty on all of you, you misinterpreted the hadiths even you guys added your own words in hadith.... Pitty on you , you are all ignorant
Name: To Mujahid
Date: Thursday December 11, 2008
Time: 00:57:09 -0500
Comment
Cosmetics doesnt matter. It is very clear from all hadiths that Mohammed acquired Safia and raped her the same day he had her husband beheaded. These hadiths go along with quran which allowed Mohammed to have sex with captured women(33.50),Why are you in denial Mujahid?
Name: Mujahid
Date: Thursday December 11, 2008
Time: 21:43:57 -0500
Comment
Where is the hadith show me, show me from Bukhari or Muslim, with the same words that you used, "sex and raped" .....
Name:
Date: Saturday December 13, 2008
Time: 10:49:03 -0500
Comment
pity on u,If u dont have any knowlege about islam then U have no right to say this miss Ayesha Muslims are not interfering to ur religion then why u interfere its not fair u have written absolutely wrong firstly know ur religion one day u will die & this all u have written will a source of ur punishment u all r ignorant
Name: To Mujahid
Date: Sunday December 14, 2008
Time: 00:15:26 -0500
Comment
Answer me if a old hindu man comes ,kills your whole family and has sex with your 17 year old sister/daughter. What will the sex be called? Who cares what the hadith writers wrote. It is rape.
Name: Mujahid
Date: Monday December 15, 2008
Time: 03:10:43 -0500
Comment
So you don't care about the hadith ?? if you don't care of the hadith then don't make hadith as your weapon against me ..... find other logics, but don't use hadith if you don't believe or care of them.
Name: To Mujahid:
Date: Monday December 15, 2008
Time: 12:49:53 -0500
Comment
Yes I very much care about hadiths.As a matter of fact I consider hadiths as facts and quran as fiction.Because hadiths are incidents of history witnessed by many pious believers and chronicled by honest scholars with usual historical errors and devotional exagerations. On the other hand quranic stories had no witnesses at all, just one schytzophrenic man's statements after epileptic seizures. Hadiths says Prophet killed Kinana and slept with his wife Safia same day.It is called rape. Why Hadiths didnt call it rape? Because islam/quran has no word for rape and in islam a muslim man can have sex with his wives, slave girls and captured women.They have no right to refuse . If she refuses angels curse her all night ( hadiths). Any ways you did not answer me when I asked if an old hindu rapist killed your family and had sex with your 17 year old daughtr/sister same day, will it be consensual sex or rape. Prophet did the same with Safia.
Name: To Mujahid
Date: Monday December 15, 2008
Time: 13:18:31 -0500
Comment
When I said who cares about what hadith writers wrote,I meant their written opinion whether Prophet forced sex on her or she had an ejoyable consensual sex. I only care about the facts they wrote that he killed Kinana and had sex with Safia. Hadiths writers were blind faithers like you and loved the prophet.According to them Prophet could do no wrong whether he robbed , raped or killed. Example: Fact:Pakistani muslims killed 200 innocents in Bombay. Pakitanis opinion: They were hindus and jews. British Mullah's opinion:They were mujahids who killed kuffar for Allah and will go to heaven according to 9.111. Anjem Choudhary's opinion: Kuffar are never innocents and are guilty of being non muslims,killing them is justified.
Name: Mujahid
Date: Monday December 15, 2008
Time: 23:14:30 -0500
Comment
Would you please open this forum for people? and let them write what they want, do not manipulate what they write. Believe me i will answer every thing you asked but i want you to open it for people and let every body write what they want.
Name: Mujahid
Date: Monday December 15, 2008
Time: 23:17:21 -0500
Comment
and remember you guys are not the first one, many of your brothers came throughout the history to bashing Islam.
Name: To Mujahid
Date: Tuesday December 16, 2008
Time: 12:55:13 -0500
Comment
What are you talking about? You think I am the webmaster manipulating responses? I am just a reader. This forum is open, they dont manipulate. Muslims are the biggest manipulators and liars in the world.There is absolutely no freedom to criticize islam in Islam/muslim countries or to convert to other religions. Why?. They manipulate to keep the absurdities of quran and the criminal character of prophet hidden.Yes Mujahid courageous people who think and dont blindly follow recognized islam as fake and Mohammed an opprtunist throuout history, most were kille by islamists.. Even in the days of Mohammed,only 100 of his best friend, family members and destitutes converted after 13 years in Mecca, all others told him he was a charlatan and a faker. This was when he was at his best behaviour, no killing, raping and robbing. In Madina when he got power and started killing robbing and raping he had anybody who criticized him beheaded.Read your history. Dont you know crticizing islam and Mohammed in a muslim country is punishable by death. Actually this website is banned in muslim countries. There you go. Do you think I can write this on a muslim website? No way.
Name: Ali Khalaf to Mujahid
Date: Tuesday December 16, 2008
Time: 13:36:33 -0500
Comment
Mr Mujahid: I guarantee you you can live your custom made brand of islam only in an infidel country protected by infidel laws and it's freedom of religion. Try living your islam under sharia laws of true islamic country like Taliban's Afghanistan. There you will be jailed for trimming your beard, owning a computer or watching TV, your wife beaten for showing a bare hand, leaving home alone, your son punished for flying a kite,your daughter's face burnt with acid for going to school bare faced. Infidels here let you build a mosque on every corner and let you preach islam via every media. Do the sharia countries reciprocate?
Name: To Mujahid from Vijay
Date: Tuesday December 16, 2008
Time: 17:54:32 -0500
Comment
Yes Mujahid what Mohammed did to Safia after killing her husband was rape. How can you think otherwise? Oh I see .You believe in quran which says "non-muslims are worst beasts"(8.55),lowest creatures (98.6) So raping an infidel woman dosent count because she is like an animal.Then I dont blame you and blame Mohammed for wring that in Quran..
Name: Mujahid
Date: Tuesday December 16, 2008
Time: 23:44:25 -0500
Comment
You guys chose one particular part of hadith and ignore other parts, or some times adding your own words to prove your false statment, and if some one gives you the refrence of hadith then you say "who care of the hadith", if you don't care of a hadith then don't use it as a weapon against muslims, try other logics but not hadith, and if you do then you have to believe what hadith say, If you want me to believe what you say then you have to believe me too. here is the hadith about Safia(rz). Bukhari :: Book 5 :: Volume 59 :: Hadith 513 Narrated ‘Abdul ‘Aziz bin Suhaib: Anas bin Malik said, “The Prophet took Safiya as a captive. He manumitted her and married her.” Thabit asked Anas, “What did he give her as Mahr (i.e. marriage gift)?” Anas replied. “Her Mahr was herself, for he manumitted her.” She was married to prophet(pbuh), it dosen't make no sense that you called it rape, plus you have to keep that time and conditions in your mind, slavery was like a custom at that time among the muslims and infidels both.
Name: Mujahid
Date: Tuesday December 16, 2008
Time: 23:52:37 -0500
Comment
Mr.Khalaf If a sacular state like America wants to protect its rule and law and punish the person who break their law and regulations, then you can't blame sharia or any other law to punish some one who try to break their rules.
Name: To Mr Mujahid from Vijay
Date: Wednesday December 17, 2008
Time: 11:41:17 -0500
Comment
Why are you ducking the question that if a 60 year old hindu kills you, enslaves your 17 year old sister/daughter and sleeps with her same day. What will you call this act .Consensual sex or rape? Dont hide behind so called customs of those days.If killing and having sex with the widow was the custom of that time, it was animalistic and evil.Why Mohammed followed an evil custom instead of comdemning it.Why are you not following your prophet then? Arent you supposed to follow him by aya 33.21? Go kill your neighbor and have sex with his wife, see what happens. Yes Mohammed robbed raped and killed ,your quran says it, and hadiths confirm it. If he did that today , he will be hanged publicly.Dont say it was a custom of that time to kill rob and rape so Mohammed did that. You are too scared of hell fire to criticize your prophet.
Name: Ali Khalaf to Mujahid
Date: Wednesday December 17, 2008
Time: 11:49:37 -0500
Comment
If you love those sharia laws, why are you living among infidels whom Allah called worst beasts and have told you that if you befriend them he will consider you one of them.
Name: Maria to Mujahid
Date: Wednesday December 17, 2008
Time: 12:29:02 -0500
Comment
Mujahid: Evil has always been evil. Killing robbing and sleeping with helpless captured women which Mohammed justified by self made ayas and practised routinely was always evil. Ten commandemnts were given long time before Mohammedcriminal life. Jesus never robbed raped or killed.Why wasnt he following your so called arab custom of killing enslaving and sleeping with a helpless widow which your prophet was following? Couldnt he eradicate that custom rather than join the bandwagon.
Name: Mujahid
Date: Thursday December 18, 2008
Time: 01:55:37 -0500
Comment
how ignorant you guys are, you see no diffrence between rape and marrige. Rape stands for where a man forcefully have sex with a female and then escape and leave her behind, while marrige is a fully diffrent thing where a man and woman get married between a bunch of relatives and friends with witnesses, In rape just sex is the main ojbect while marrige is a life time relationship with honor, respect, love, scarifies for eachother. our beloved Prophet(PBUH) never left Safia (rz) behind but she was his wife for the life time. you guys better open your eyes and wake up , what are you talkin about?. and Vijay, if a hindu or any other man try to do with my family what you mentioned, then you better know my answer what will i do.
Name: Vijay to Mujahid
Date: Thursday December 18, 2008
Time: 12:11:13 -0500
Comment
But unfortunately you wouldnt be able to do anything because you would be killedd like Kinana aws killed by Mohammed before having sex with his widow. Okay if that hindu old man killed you and your relatives had sex with your helpless homeless sister/daughter all night, and next day decided to make her his wife by covering her in a hindu saree and kept and fed her,would that make any difference and make you respect that old hindu and convince you that he is a God's prophet? Didnt Mohammed do the same thing. He kept Safia but what about so many he enjoyed for one night and sold or gifted the next day. Mujahis please dont defend an evil act because you are scared of criticizing your prophet.
Name: Maria to Mujahid
Date: Thursday December 18, 2008
Time: 12:17:00 -0500
Comment
Mujahid ,killing a man and acquiring his widow is an extremeely evil act whichever way you try to sugarcoat it. .If a man did it to your sister or daughter will you accept him as your prophet. You are following an evil man who killed and had sex with their widows. Leave islam and follow Jesus. He was sinless.
Name: Kumar to Mujahid
Date: Thursday December 18, 2008
Time: 12:28:04 -0500
Comment
If I killed you and married your widow by hindu custom,will you accept this as valid marriage and consider it a great act . Will it make any difference if I convert her to hinduism and keep her for good along with my ten other wives and continuos suply of slave girls and captured women like Mohammed did to woman of another religion.
Name: Sonia
Date: Thursday December 18, 2008
Time: 12:34:15 -0500
Comment
A true religion does not allow killing of an animal leave alone killing a human to acquire his widow.. Mohammed killed a human and acquired his widow. He deserves to be condemned instead of being revered. It takes a brain dead zombie to follow such a man.
Name: Hisham to Mujahid
Date: Thursday December 18, 2008
Time: 12:54:03 -0500
Comment
You are wrong Mujahid. A rapist rapes and runs away only when he is nobody and is afraid that he will be caught and punished.If a top leader and a law giver himself rapes he does not have to run away, he continues to rape. Saddams sons had anybody they liked in a party kidnapped and raped all night. Mohammed and his jihadis routinely attacked villages killed men and acquired women. They raped women, some were kept as concubines some they married and some they used and then sold. They did not have to run. Mohammed the the king and law giver was raping along with them. Quran allowed them to have sex with captured women. Read the following hadiths: Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 46, Number 718: "We went with Allah's Apostle, in the Ghazwa of Barli Al-Mustaliq and we captured some of the 'Arab women as captives, and the long separation from our wives was pressing us hard and we wanted to practice coitus interruptus. We asked Allah's Apostle (whether it was permissible). He said, "It is better for you not to practice coitus interruptus (and have regular sex). No soul, (that which Allah has) destined to exist, up to the Day of Resurrection, but will definitely come, into existence." Muslim Book 019, Number 4292: . The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) made a raid upon Banu Mustaliq while they were unaware and their cattle were having a drink at the water. He killed those who fought and imprisoned others. On that very day, he captured Juwairiya bint al-Harith. Nafi' said that this tradition was related to him by Abdullah b. Umar who (himself) was among the raiding troops. Volume 5, Book 59, Number 447: Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: Bukhari , Volume 5, Book 59, Number 362: Narrated Ibn Umar: Prophet then killed their men and distributed their women, children and property among the Muslims.
Name: Shame on you, Mujahid
Date: Thursday December 18, 2008
Time: 16:53:04 -0500
Comment
Mujahid, you should be ashamed to be justifying the acts of a serial killer , a mass murderer, a rapist and a pedophile.
Name: Mujahid
Date: Friday December 19, 2008
Time: 05:05:30 -0500
Comment
Kinana was killed because he had killed Mahmud Ibn Maslama (also Muslima). Tabari had reported it in unambiguous words: " Then the Holy Prophet (Peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) gave Kinana to Muhammad Ibn Maslama (Muslima), "and he put him to death in retaliation of the murder of his own brother, Mahmud Ibn Maslama (Muslima)." You guys know that only a life is the price of life, so Kinana was killed because he killed Mahmud Ibn Maslama..... Vijay: if i kill some one and if i break the conditions that was made, then i must be ready to be killed and my family to be captured .......As a matter of fact, Kinana Ibn Rabi Ibn al-Huquaiq had been granted his life on the condition that he would never break faith or make false statements. He had also given his word, according to one of the reports, that if he did anything to the contrary, he could be put to death. Kinana played false, and the immunity granted to him was withdrawn. He killed Mahmud Ibn Maslama (Muslima) and had, therefore to suffer for it, as we have already stated on the authority of Tabari." (Allama Shibli Nu'Mani, Sirat-Un-Nabi, volume II, p 173-174)
Name: Vijay to Mujahid
Date: Friday December 19, 2008
Time: 12:57:00 -0500
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Kinana's village was attacked by Mohammed unanounced. Kinana did not attack Madina. What did you expect them, just lie down and get beheaded by criminal jihadis? Sure they killed a few but they lost lot more, they also lost their property and women. You should be ashamed of even coming to the defence of criminal bandits. Besides these stories are already biased written by muslims and yet they look so criminal and brutal. I bet real happenings must be worst.You think killing of Kinana was justified and his wife acquired by Mohammed because he killed some one (in self defense). Then what about Mohammed who was responsible for ordering these brutal raids resulting in killing of thousands of innocents. Will you agree then that Mohammed deserved to be beheaded also and all his wives acquired by non muslims? He had Kaab Bin Ashraf beheaded and dozens of other critics asassinated.. Will you agree that Mohammed should have been given to their brothers for Mohammed's beheading? He had Asma murdered, shoukldnt her brother kill Mohammed. He had 900 Quraizan's beheaded on trumped up charges.Doesnt he deserve to be be beheaded by the kins of those Quraizans.
Name: John to Mujahid
Date: Friday December 19, 2008
Time: 13:31:20 -0500
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You guys are amazing. A group of dacoits/bandits attack your house to rob you and acquire your women. You guys fight back and manage to kill a few dacoits but most of you get killed . The dacoits take over your house and acquire your women. The cheif Bandit leader sleeps with your wife after he had you tortured and then beheaded for killing one of the attackers. And you are justifying the acts of the dacoits?
Name: Hisham
Date: Friday December 19, 2008
Time: 14:06:47 -0500
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Mohammed went to rob Khaybar just to cool off his pissed off followers who thought Hudaibia treaty was humiliatimg. Mohammed thought the booty and women from Khaybar will make the disgruntled jihadis happy. He also promised 50% booty from Khaybar to Ghaftan tribe so that they dont help Khaybar. Everything worked like a charm. Khaybar fell, Fadak and two other jewish villages surrendered without fight. Mohammed and jihadis got a lot of booty and women.
Name: Abdullah to Mujahid
Date: Friday December 19, 2008
Time: 17:06:05 -0500
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Hey Mujahid learn about your prophet from a native arab ex-muslim who reads from islamic scriptures in arabic which you cannot do, you have to rely on sanitized translations.: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFcHa7z6zqw http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Mohammad%26Zainab-2+&search_type=
Name: Mujahid To Vijay
Date: Saturday December 20, 2008
Time: 05:07:21 -0500
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Kinana can fight and kill a Muslim for his self defense, but when Muslims fight for their defense then its brutal in your views????, You want them to stay quite, surrendered and to be killed ??? what our Prophet did in the beganing, he just says that God is one, and only he should be adored, all the prayers and worships must be directed to Allah only...... but then why every one became his enemy ??? he never harmed no body , he never killed no body, he just say to worship only one God which is Allah, but what he got in the replies ? A stone were thrown towards him by his uncle Abu lahab, and then a non stop violence started against him and his followers until finaly the got in power picked up the swords.
Name: Mujahid
Date: Saturday December 20, 2008
Time: 07:02:44 -0500
Comment
As for the mass murder of the Banu Qurazah, it was their fighting men who were killed. And this was after they had engaged in negotiations to betray their neighbors in Madinah, the Muslims, at the Battle of the Trench (Khandaq). They had earlier signed the "Constitution of Madinah" that committed them to mutual defense of the city. They broke their treaty and committed an act of treachery which, if it had succeeded, would have led to mass murder of the Muslims, so they got what was coming to them.
Name: Anonymous
Date: Saturday July 4, 2009
Time: 07:02:44 -0500
Hi
I have been reading up on the various of sources describing the case of Safiya/Safiyya among other wikipedia.
My question: Some of the hadiths you have listed state she was married..
Logically speaking a woman made widow, her husband tortured, her father and brother murdered (thus wiping out her family) by the enemy and winning tribe in war,(in this case prophet Muhammad's tribe) would not sleep with the very man who is responsible for her losses. Or else it gives a new meaning to sleeping with the Enemy. Nobody will sleep with their enemy, and jews are just as proud of their religion and background as muslims. No muslim female would spread her legs for a jewish man and accept judaism and marry him the same night when she lost her husband and family in that very same day. Logically speaking.
Every time I have posed the question whether a muslim girl/woman would sleep with a man who is her enemy and to whom her husband has lost a war. The answer has been sheer silence.
While on wikipedia, the article for Safiyya reads that she was married to the prophet Muhammad. But prior to this marriage, when she was married to her jewish husband Kinana, she had a dream where appearently the moon fell into her lap (??). Her husband allegedly interpreted this as her marrying Muhammad (?) and allegedly struck her. She displayed bruise/mark even at the time she came face to face with Muhammad.
The reference listed is this : Stowasser, Barbara. The Mothers of the Believers in the Hadith. The Muslim World, Volume 82, Issue 1-2 AND cf. Muir (1912) pp. 378-379
Can you comment on these and what you think as well your view on these sources validity?
This dream nonsense sounds like a wonderfully made up story both in the case of Safiya as well as Aisha to justify their marriages. When logic and common sense defy that.
I am amazed that so many muslims have stopped using their common sense (aql) and think a woman who had her husband tortured to death, her father and brother murdered, losing her basic freedom as a human being and becoming a slave of the opposing winning tribe also the enemy, will VOLUNTARILY marry the very same man who left her widow, without a father, brother, family and enslaving her and then expecting that she would WILLINGLY spread her legs and engage in the most intimate act of intercourse with the enemy.
Why is that hard to understand? I dont know any muslim, hindu, christian, jew, buddist, sikh, agnostic, atheist or anybody from any other faith, who would willingly jump into bed with a man (under the pretext of marriage as if to validate and whitewash the rape) who is her enemy. This is called self-respect, dignity, pride among civilised people. Would any muslim female sleep with a christian, or hindu man wh won over her tribe and enslaved her and killed her entire family, allowing no time to mourn? I dont know any.. So why do the same people assume that Safiya was of special loose character who had no self esteem, no pride in her religion, no pride of her family, no love for her murdered and tortured husband?
If you do not think this is rape, then surely you can not classify Abu Ghraib,
the rapes of women and girls in Darfur as rape or abuse. Then you should call
that lawful conscentual intercourse between people or just a common love for
engaging in perverted abuse and sadomasochistic games.
Rape is rape. Being married does not make a different. USe your common sense.
Surely you use it in other contexts when it fits your purpose, so why not in the
case of a woman who lost all and then expected to marry and sleep with the
enemy?
Remember the infamous hadith:
Chapter# 22, Book 8, Number 3371:
Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa’id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa’id, did you hear Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-’azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi’l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing ‘azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah’s Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.
No indication of marriage. Just that the men were honry and missing their wives and so caught and enslaved some arab women and now they want to rape them. No condemnation from prophet Muhammad, no mention if all the captured women were of such loose character that they simply were dying to sleep with some stranger men who had caught them. This is disturbing to read. We are reading an incident of massrape and the only concern is appearently that they women should not get pregnant. But luckily there is a solution. Rape them, and if they get pregnant, then let them carry and deliver the kids and sell them. And so the circle of slavery continues.
I wish that muslims would employ basic critical and logical thinking when reading and arguing their case.
Just because you win a war, does not mean you can enslave and rape the women and children. That is breach under all international conventions of human rights. Would you like this fate for muslim women and girls? No then why would you want this for jewish women? Are they cheaper than muslim women? have they no dignity? respect? Good God.