Irshad Manji in 'Glenn Beck' Show in CNN
27 Jan, 2007
From CNN.com's transcript of "Glenn Beck" broadcast January 16, 2007
BECK: You know, I have been
asking on this program where are the Muslims who speak out against
Islamic extremism? I am thrilled to have one now. Her name is
Irshad Manji. She is a feminist Muslim. She is an author of "The
Trouble with Islam Today", the creator of a brand new documentary,
"Faith Without Fear". Irshad, we`ve been trying to get you on the
show for a while. Great to have you on the program
IRSHAD MANJI, AUTHOR, "THE TROUBLE WITH ISLAM TODAY": Thank you so
much.
BECK: You`re a Muslim.
MANJI: I am.
BECK: You`ve got death threats coming out of your wazoo.
MANJI: I do.
BECK: Yes. And it`s because you are speaking your mind.
MANJI: Yes, and because I insist on having one, and look, Glenn, I
live in a free and democratic society. I`m a refugee to this part
of the world. Every day, Glenn, without any exaggeration, I wake
up thanking Allah, thanking God that I wound up in a part of the
world where, as a Muslim girl and now as a Muslim woman, I can
dream big dreams and tap much, if not most if not most of my
potential. Millions of people around the world don`t yet have the
privileges and the freedoms that you and I do. How irresponsible
would it be for us to turn our backs on those freedoms? I am
asking my fellow Muslims, particularly in the west, what in God`s
name are we doing with our freedoms?
BECK: I mean, I just want to have a Christian-Muslim make-out fest
with you right now. It has been...
MANJI: Don`t tempt me.
BECK: I know.
MANJI: Getting hot here.
BECK: It is so -- it is so refreshing to hear. Now, this leads me
to the question am I only hearing this from you because you have
death threats and most people in America who are Muslim are afraid
to take on those death threats, or are you a freak of nature?
MANJI: Probably both.
BECK: Both.
MANJI: But let`s leave the freak of nature aside for a second, OK,
because that`s a psychiatric case...
BECK: Right.
MANJI: ... I`m not willing to delve into on, you know, national
television. The fear is very, very real. You know, Glenn, I speak
right across the country, particularly at universities, and
invariably, young Muslims will follow me to the book signing
lineup and will whisper in my ear, "Thank you". And when I know
I`m not going to make them defensive by asking my next question, I
say, "Well, why whisper it to me? Where was your voice when you
and I were being denounced by the jihadists in that audience
during the Q and A?" And every time I hear, "Irshad, you have the
luxury of being able to walk away from this campus two hours from
now. I don`t. I don`t want to be stalked for supporting you." And
in many cases if they`re women, they`ll say, "I don`t want to be
raped for supporting you." This is happening right here in
America, in our own communities as Muslims.
BECK: OK. Irshad, will you do me a favor? We are putting together
a special for this year that is going to be Islam in America, the
good and the evil. And we -- we need somebody to help navigate us
through to be able to show the good and the evil.
MANJI: I have to tell you some good news, Glenn. You know, I`m not
the only voice...
BECK: I know you`re not. I know.
MANJI: ... of moderation and reform out there. I`m one of the
louder ones, it`s true. So sue me. I got big hair. I need to have
a big mouth. All right?
BECK: Got it.
MANJI: But I can tell you that there is an emerging movement
within Islam to liberalize my faith and proof positive of that is
that this coming March in Florida is going to be something called
the Secular Islam Summit. This will probably be the very first
international congress of reform- minded Muslims from around the
world. And Glenn, I am personally inviting you to be my guest.
Come with me.
BECK: I would -- I would love to.
MANJI: Attend, and bring your cameras.
BECK: Are you going to provide the flack jackets?
MANJI: I know a few guys who can help us out in that department.
BECK: I would love to.
MANJI: Yes.
BECK: Absolutely love to.
MANJI: Because, you know, what we really want to show is that
reform- minded Muslims are not alone. We`re not out there trying
to change the minds of the fundamentalists. That will be like
hitting our, you know, heads against a brick wall. What we really
want to show younger Muslims is that, in your greatest moments of
despair, when you think you`re alone for wanting to open up this
faith, you`re not. You know, our enemies can pick us off
individually, but collectively we`re going nowhere except forward.
BECK: Where are the -- where`s the National Organization of Women?
Do you ever ask yourself why the hell aren`t these people standing
up? You know, I -- I`m a conservative.
MANJI: And I`m a liberal.
BECK: Yes. And when I saw the National Organization of Women, what
they did with Bill Clinton, I realized, "Oh, this is a political
organization. This isn`t really a real movement." Here this isn`t
political. This is about women!
MANJI: Yes. Human rights should never be political. Human rights
don`t have to be partisan.
BECK: Yes.
MANJI: That`s what they`re called human rights.
BECK: Human. So where are the human rights organizations? Where is
the National Organization of Women?
MANJI: You know that`s why I called my forthcoming PBS documentary
"Faith Without Fear". OK? What I`m doing in this documentary is
showing that, you know, we all have fears of various kinds. The
fear of asking questions out loud, the fear of offending
minorities in a multi-cultural society, the fear of being
ostracized within your own community and sometimes even worse than
ostracized. But that, again, in a democratic society, we have got
to face those fears, Glenn, because that is the only way we can
find our unique voices and take ownership of the solutions that
are in front of us. It`s part of not just our right. Forget
rights; let`s talk about personal responsibilities.
BECK: I love you.
MANJI: You know?
BECK: I love you. Listen, can we have you back and spend an hour
with you some time?
MANJI: What do I get from you in return?
BECK: Oh, baby.
MANJI: Don`t even go there.
BECK: Now I know. Whatever you would need. I love...
MANJI: I`ll tell you what in return.
BECK: Yes.
MANJI: I want you to come to the secular Islam summit.
BECK: I will be there. I will be there.
MANJI: All right?
BECK: You got it.
MANJI: We reform-minded Muslims need the support of vocal non-
Muslims. We`re all in this together, Glenn, and you know it.
BECK: I`m with you.
MANJI: All right.
BECK: Irshad, thank you so much for being here.
MANJI: Pleasure.
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