Islam Under Scrutiny by Ex-Muslims

Women: Islam’s Domestic Animals

FrontPageMagazine.com on June 17, 2008


Frontpage Interview’s guest today is Abul Kasem, an ex-Muslim who is the author of hundreds of articles and several books on Islam including, Women in Islam. He was a contributor to the book Leaving Islam – Apostates Speak Out as well as to Beyond Jihad: Critical Views From Inside Islam.

FP: Abul Kasem, welcome to Frontpage Interview.

Kasem: Thank you Jamie. I am glad to be back.


FP: We’re here today to discuss how women are considered to be domestic animals in Islam and are to be treated as such.

Let’s begin with the origins of this value system in connection to women in Islam.

Muhammad’s last instruction to Muslim men was to beat women and treat them as domestic animals, correct? Can you tell us about this last instruction and its context?

Kasem: Sure Jamie. In AH 10 (Islamic calendar), that is, in 632CE Muhammad made his formal pilgrimage to Mecca. This was the only, the first and the last Haj Muhammad had done. Having taught his followers the rituals of haj, and having performed them himself, in the valley of Arafat, Muhammad addressed them in an impassioned speech. This was his last speech, and accordingly, in the Islamic annals it is recorded as the farewell (Hajjtul wida) speech. Sourcing a long chain of narrators, Tabari, the most eminent Islamic historian writes (the full text):

Ibn Humayd—Salamah—Ibn Ishaq—‘Abdallah b. Abi Najih:

Then the Messenger of God proceeded to perform his pilgrimage, showing the people its rites and teaching them its customs. Then he addressed them in a speech and elucidated [certain things]. After he had praised and glorified God, he said, “O people, listen to my words. I do not know whether I shall ever meet you again in this place after this year. O people, your blood and your property are sacrosanct until you meet your Lord, just as this day and this month of yours are sacred. Surely you will meet your Lord and he will question you about your deeds. I have [already] made this known. ‘Let he who has a pledge return it to the one who entrusted him with it;’ all usury is abolished, but your capital belongs to you. Wrong not and you shall not be wronged.’ God has decreed that there will be no usury, and the usury of ‘Abbas b. ‘Abd al-Muttalib is abolished, all of it. All blood shed in pre-Islamic days is to be left unavanged. The first such claim I revoke is that of Ibn Rabi’ah b. al-Harith b. ‘Abd al-Muttalib, who was nursed among the Banu Layth and was slain by the Banu Hudhayl. His is the first blood shed in the pre-Islamic days with which I shall set an example. O people, indeed Satan despairs of ever being worshipped in this land of yours. He will be pleased, however, if he is obeyed in a thing other than that, in matters you minimize. So beware of him in your religion. O the unbelievers, O people, ‘Intercalating a month is an increase of unbelief whereby the unbelievers go astray; one year they make it profane, and hallow it another, [in order] to agree with the number that God has hallowed, and so profane what God has hallowed, and hallow what God has made profane.’ Time has completed its cycle [and is] as it was when the day that God created the heaven and the earth. ‘The number of the months with God is twelve: [they were] in the Book of God on the day He created the heavens and the earth. Four of them are sacred, the three consecutive [months] and the Rajab, [which is called the month of] Mudar, which is between Jumada (II) and Sha’ban.”

“Now then, O people, you have a right over your wives and they have a right over you. You have [the right] that they should not cause anyone of whom you dislike to tread your beds, and that they should not commit any open indecency (fahishah). If they do, then God permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain from [evil], they have the right to their food and clothing in accordance with custom (bi’l-maruf). Treat women well, for they are [like] domestic animals (‘awan) with you and do not possess anything for themselves. You have taken them only as a trust from God, and you have made the enjoyment of their persons lawful by the word of God, so understand and listen to my words, O people. I have conveyed the Message, and have left you with something which, if you hold fast to it, you will never go astray: that is, the Book of God and the sunnah of His Prophet. Listen to my words, O people, for I have conveyed the message and understand [it]. Know for certain that every Muslim is a brother of another Muslim, and that all Muslims are brethren. It is not lawful for a person [to take] from his brother except that which he has given him willingly, so do not wrong yourselves. O God, have I not conveyed the message?” It was reported [to me] that the people said, “O God, yes.” And the Messenger of God said, “O God, bear witness.”

Reference: Al-Tabari, Abu Ja’far Muhammad b. Jarir. The History of al-Tabari. Vol.IX: The Last Years of the Prophet. Translated and annotated by Ismail K. Poonawala. State University of NewYork Press, Albany, 1990. (Pages 112-114. Bold emphasis is mine)

FP: Well I don’t really see how there can be any confusion over interpretation here, it appears pretty clear.

Kasem: Well yes, in the few words above, the most hallowed speech by Muhammad, he had clearly described women as domestic animals, and instructed their husbands to beat them if they suspect that their wives’ behavior are not to their satisfaction. Please note that those were Muhammad’s last decrees to Muslim husbands. Every Muslim husband is duty bound by those instructions of Muhammad.

FP: What have Muslim scholars said about these words?

Kasem: Let’s tale a look at what ibn Ishaq, the most authentic biographer of Muhammad, wrote about Muhammad’s last words on women during his farewell speech:

You have rights over your wives and they have rights over you. You have the right that they should not defile your bed and that they should not behave with open unseemliness. If they do, God allows you to put them in separate rooms and to beat them but not with severity. If they refrain from these things they have the right to their food and clothing with kindness. Lay injunctions on women kindly, for they are prisoners with you having no control- of their persons. You have taken them only as a trust from God, and you have the enjoyment of their persons by the words of God, so understand (T. and listen to) my words, O men, for I have told you. I have left with you something which if you will hold fast to it you will never fall into error—a plain indication, the book of God and the practice of His prophet, so give good heed to what I say.

Know that every Muslim is a Muslim's brother, and that the Muslims are brethren. It is only lawful to take from a brother what he gives you willingly, so wrong not yourselves. O God, have I not told you?

Reference: Ibn Ishaq, Muhammad b. Yasr, Sirat Rasul Allah. Translated in English by A. Guillaume. First published by Oxford University Press, London in 1955. Fifteenth reprint by Oxford University Press, Karachi, Pakistan, 2001. (p.651. Bold emphasis is mine.)

FP: So what are we to gather from all of this?

Kasem: What we are to gather is that there is not much difference between Tabari’s version and Ibn Ishaq’s. In Ibn Ishaq, Muhammad considered women to be prisoners in the hands of men, quite similar to domestic animals who are prisoners in the hands of their owners.

Those words of Muhammad should not surprise us. In a few ahadith we note that Muhammad likened women to dogs, camels, asses…and so on, all domestic animals.

FP: Some examples?

Kasem: Here are a few sample ahadith:

  • Aisha complained that Muhammad’s followers made women like dogs and asses… Sahih Muslim, 4.1039
  • If there is a bad luck in anything then it is horse, the abode and the woman… Sahih Muslim, 26.5528, 5529
  • A prayer is annulled by a passing woman, a dog and a monkey... Sahih Bukhari, 1.9.490, 493,498
  • Women, houses and horses are evil omens... Sahih Bukhari, 7.62.30, 31, 32
  • An ass, a woman and a black dog annuls a prayer… Sunaan Nasai, 1.753
  • A menstruating woman and a dog cuts off a prayer... Sunaan Abu Dawud, 2.0703
  • Either a dog, an ass, a pig, a Jew, a Magian and a woman cuts off a prayer... Sunaan Abu Dawud, 2.0704
  • Women, slaves and camels are the same; must seek Allah's refuge from all these... Sunaan Abu Dawud, 11.2155
  • A house, a horse and a woman is an evil omen; a mat in a house is better than a barren woman… Sunaan Abu Dawud, 3.29.3911
  • A black dog is satan; a black dog or a donkey or a woman cancels a prayer… Sunaan ibn Majah, 2.952
  • Beat your wives if they commit sinful acts; women are captives of their husbands… Sunaan ibn Majah, 3.1851
  • A woman is a property; a righteous woman is the best property… Sunaan ibn Majah, 3.1855 (Please note: a pregnant camel during Muhammad’s time was the best property)
  • Seek refuge from a woman, a servant and cattle—they are evils… Sunaan ibn Majah , 3.1918
  • Muhammad’s final sermon—beat women… Sunaan ibn Majah , 4.3074
  • Women are your prisoners, treat them well, if necessary beat them but not severely… Tirmidhi, 104

FP: I think it becomes clear what the roots are to the violent oppression of women in Islam. We welcome readers to watch our film on this depressing phenomenon.

Abul Kasem, thank you for joining us today and for revealing to us some of the historical roots to Islamic gender apartheid.

Kasem: Thank you Jamie.

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Abul Kasem is an Bengali ex-Muslim and academic. He has contributed in Leaving Islam - Apostates Speak Out and Beyond Jihad - Critical Voices from Inside. He has also written extensively on Islam in various websites and is the author of five e-Books: A Complete Guide to Allah, Root of Terrorism ala Islamic Style, Sex and Sexuality in Islam, Who Authored the Quran? and Women in Islam. Mr. Kasem leaves in Sydney, Australia. He can be contacted at [email protected].


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Name: HANIF [ BIRMINGHAM ENGLAND]
Date: Tuesday June 17, 2008
Time: 10:35:15 -0700

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There is no such thing as dignity or respect when it comes to women in the whole western world.Take for example advertising , even to sell a box of matches ,the woman has to hold it almost naked, just look at how they dress their women, always revealing , the poor creatures,always sit cross legged to ovoide men looking up their skirts. They boast about the freedom to work ,that is OK to some extent ,but there again over 60% of women are sexually abused at work places, and when after hard Day's work they end up most of the time doing domestic work as well , while the men pocket the money and spend it on booze and horses. i am not going to add any thing regarding domestic violence as some one has already explained above, but i would like to talk about the way they are abusing women and enslave them in prostitution and the shame of [mind you there is no such thing as shame in the western world] of organised porn industry, where the dignity of a MOTHER , SISTER , DAUGHTER is trashed under the feet in the name of freedom of speech. You can say Abl Kasam what you want , like some one said you are an old man and nearing your grave , be at least truthful. BY GOD WE LOVE OUR WOMEN, OUR DAUGHTERS, OUR SISTERS, OUR MOTHERS , and we will never humiliate them like you do , our,s are the most purist of women in the world and we love them. No wonder the western women are realising the hell they face and are coming to Islam, every 4 out of 5 converts are women, may ALLAH bless them!


Name: naveed
Date: Tuesday June 17, 2008
Time: 10:44:37 -0700

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Hanif , my friend you forget to mansion the latest trend of WIFE SWAPPING,they say that pig is the only animal which doesn't mind other male pigs using his females , in fact the pig admires it , no wonder the same is apparent in their actions,then they have guts to lecture others.ten fingers to you abl Kasam!!!!


Name: kasim you are a mule!
Date: Tuesday June 17, 2008
Time: 12:14:54 -0700

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funny enough you should say that, i came across a survey done in most of the western countries ,to find out that ,how many men's lap a women [liberated, western]sits[ goes through] before she gets married? I was shocked [but not them] to find out that on average a woman goes through 16 plus men before getting married. i wonder if the western man is proud to have a daughter to know what is awaiting her.


Name: akhter
Date: Tuesday June 17, 2008
Time: 12:31:39 -0700

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It is always the case when you live in community or a good family , and if one commits a bad act and even if it is kept a secret the person who does it always wishes that a few more in that community or family do the same so no one can humiliate him/her.one feels easy when others are also involved. The same goes for the position of a western women in the society ,may be not all , but most of the women are abused,on average girls loose their virginity at the age of 12- 13, 78% have sex by the age of 17 , most of these women then have 10 to 16 different partners and end up with bastard children before they get married,and unfourtantly marriage only lasts a while before they separate. THIS IS THE WONDERFUL STATE OF THEIR WOMENHOOD. Now because Muslims are totally the other way round, they can not stand it and call it oppression ,but in reality they want us to be like them, so no one can point the finger at them.


Name: GEORGE
Date: Tuesday June 17, 2008
Time: 12:35:34 -0700

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Mohammad's last sermon , now the one in the comment format is the one most on the net, why is ABL KASEM,S different?


Name: They abuse when childern, and use when adults, shame on you kafirs!!!
Date: Tuesday June 17, 2008
Time: 13:39:09 -0700

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SOME MORE SAD STASTICS. In the U.S. in 2000 over 3 million child abuse and neglect reports were filed and one million were confirmed. There are 3,000 children abused each day and four of them will die. Forty % of these children were under the age of six. The age group with the highest abuse rate is 0-3 years. Nationally the highest form of abuse is neglect followed by physical abuse. In March of 2001 when President Bush declared April National Child Abuse Prevention Month he stated the cost of child abuse and neglect in the U.S. was $258 million dollars a day. This includes the price of intervention, the treatment of children who have been emotionally, physically or sexually abused as well as the indirect costs of the long term consequences both for the child and our society. Prevent Child Abuse America. In 2000, there were 261,000 victims of rape, attempted rape or sexual assault. [2000 National Crime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics.] Of these 261,000, 114,000 were victims of sexual assault, 55,000 were victims of attempted rape, and 92,000 were victims of completed rape. [2000 NCVS.] An estimated 906,000 children were victims of abuse and neglect in 2003 (cases substantiated by child protective service agencies).1 In 2003, 48.3 percent of child victims were male; 51.7 percent of victims were female. 83.9 percent of victims were abused by a parent. 40.8% of child victims were maltreated by their mothers acting alone; another 18.8 percent were maltreated by their fathers acting alone; 16.9 percent were abused by both parents.1 Types of maltreatment included:1 Neglect (including medical neglect) 61% Physical Abuse 19% Sexual Abuse 10% (90,600 children)


Name: the above
Date: Tuesday June 17, 2008
Time: 13:54:27 -0700

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No one is denying that women are abused all over the world to some extent. The point is that in Islamic countries treatment of women is brutal and rife - far more so than in Christian countries where women have been liberated by attitudes and laws based upon christian values of equality and respect. The oppression and tortue of women in various forms is supported by islam as the above koran 'verses' show, also the leaders of islam openly support for example fgm (the most atrocious of all), burqas, wife beating etc... All this is utterly indefensible which the above muslims hve shown as they have offered no attempt at a pathetic defense and can only try to put the attention on the west. Although abuse of women happens in the west, we are aginst it and criminalise it. We don't follow paedophile, polygamous, wife battering, raping, slave-girl owning prophets called mohammed!


Name: ha ha ha ....
Date: Wednesday June 18, 2008
Time: 01:47:37 -0700

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WARNING ABOUT SATAN Sermon: "Beware of Satan, he is desperate to divert you from the worship of God so beware of him in matters of your way of life." Quran: "Verily Satan is an enemy to you so treat him as an enemy. He only invites his followers that they may become companions of the blazing fire" (35:6). HA HA HA .... THE DEVIL SAYS ABOUT HIMSELF HA HA HA .... MO IS THE DEVIL HIMSELF HA HA HA ....


Name: IF KAFIR HINDU GOD CAN KILL DEMON WHY IMAGINARY ALLAH CANT KILL SHAITAN ?? BCOZ BOTH ALLAH AND SHAITAN R IMAGINARY...HAHAHA
Date: Wednesday June 18, 2008
Time: 02:02:49 -0700

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READ KAFIR PAGAN HINDU BOOK,U SEE THAT THE HINDU GOD KILL THE DEMONS AND RESTORE JUSTICE TO THE WORLD.BUT READ KORAN AND U SEE A POWERLESS IMAGINARY DEITY RANTING ABT BEING AWARE OF THE EVIL DESIGNS OF SHAITAN,IF ALLAH THE IMAGINARY DEITY REALY CARE FOR HUMANITY OR EVEN MUSLIMS-PIG SHIT,WHY HE DONT KILL THE SHAITAN SO THAT EVERYONE WILL FOLLOW THE IMAGINARY ALLAH ANDNNO ONE WILL FOLLOW SHAITAN ? ITS PROVEN FACT THAT NITHER ANY GOD OR IMAGINARY ALLAH CREATED MAN FROM MUD/DIRT BCOZ MAN EVOLED BY MOTHER NATURE AND PROOF IS IN OUR DNA.I REALLY FEEL SURPRISED,THAT ALLAH THE SO CALLED IMAGINARY CREATOR OF UNIVERSE IS AFRAID TO KILL SHAITAN...VERILY THE KAFIR PAGAN HINDU GODS R BETTER THAN IMAGINARY ALLAH,THEY KILL DEMONS AND SHAITANS TO DELIVER THE HUMANITY FROM EVIL.


Name: WHY MUSLIM MEN WANT TO CONTROL SEXUAL DESIRE AND VAGINA OF WOMEN ? WHY MUSLIM WOMEN DONT GET SEXUAL FREEDOM ???? WHY MUSLIMS MEN R SO JEALOUS OF MUSLIMS WOMEN SEXUAL FREEDOM AND VAGINA ????
Date: Wednesday June 18, 2008
Time: 02:11:43 -0700

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ITS REALLY SURPRISING THAT FOR MUSLIM MEN THEY R IG SHIT SCARED OF THE SEXUALITY AND SEXUAL DESIRE OF MUSLIM WOMEN,AFTER ALL THEY R SUPPOSED TO BE HUMANS AND IF THEY WANT TO SATISFY THEIR SEXUAL DESIRE WHY THE MEN WANT TO OPPOSE IT ? WHAT KIND OF RELIGION IS THIS JUDEO CHRISTIANITY ISLAM WHICH DOES NOT ALLOW WOMEN TO BE FREE HUMANS BTU TIES THEM DOWN AND MAKES THEM INTO CAGED ENTITIES ONLY TO BE ENJOYED BY MEN.KORAN SAYS THAT WOMEN R THE TITHE - FARM OF MEN AND CAN BE FUCKED ANYTIME THE MEN WANT...WHY THE IMAGINARY ALLAH DID NOT GIVE SAME FREEDOM TO WOMEN...AND GET THE WOMAN HV SEX WITH MEN ? BCOZ ALLAH IS IMAGINARY AND MORE IMPORTANT MUHAMED CREATED ALLAH/KORAN/SUNNA ETC IN HIS IMAGINATION AND PUT IT AND ENFORCED IT ON ALL MUSLIMS WOMEN.SHAME OF ALL MUSLIMS WHO WANT TO SUPRESS SEXUAL DESIRE OF MUSLIM WOMEN....LET THEM DO AS THEY PLEASE...AND SEE THEY R AS SLUTTY AS WESTERN WOMEN.ONLY YR FAKE DESIRE FOR 72 BIG BREASTED VIRGINS IN IMAGINARY JANNAT IS MAKING U BEHAVE LIKE ANIMALS,PLS ACCEPT TRUTH THAT NO GOD/ALLAH EXISTS AND THAT MAN IS EVOLVED BY NATURE AND PROOF IS IN OUR DNA.MUSLIM MEN WAKE UP TO THE REALITY THE WESTERN MEN R MORE RELAXED ABT THEYR WOMAN'S SEXUALITY THAN U PIGS....PLS BE ASSURED THERE IS NO ALLAH AND NO JANNAT.IN NATURE EVERYTHING IS RECYCLED,AND IF U HV A SOUL IT WILL BE TOO...THERE IS NO ETERNAL JANNAT AND 24X7 WINE-WOMAN-SEX PARTIES IN ANY JANNAT.


Name: PIG HANIF---IF U R SO INTERESTED IN FAKE PURITY OF YR WOMEN GO TO AFGANISTAN DONT STAY IN ENGLAND
Date: Wednesday June 18, 2008
Time: 02:14:09 -0700

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PIG HANIF---IF U R SO MUCH CONCERNED ABT THE SO CALLED FAKE PURITY OF YR PIGS WOMEN WHY DONT U IMMEDIATELY GO TO AFGANISTAN OR SAUDI ARABIA AND STAY THERE ? WHY THE FUCK R U IN A KAFIR COUNTRY UK ? SHAME ON U FOR DOUBLE STANDARDS TAKE YR WIFE-KIDS ETC...AND MOVE IMMEDIATELY TO A PURE COUNTRY LIKE AFGANISTAN-PAKISTAN/SAUDI ARABIA.


Name: To All the zombies and dullwit muslims
Date: Wednesday June 18, 2008
Time: 03:39:21 -0700

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Hahahahaha! Pig muslims are rattled by Mo's last sermon about beating wives! Islamists are MCPs who see women as only possessions to be used and thrown away with a triple 'talaq' and no support for the woman , until she finds another muslim willing to 'bed' her. Poor thing , what will happen to her when she is old? She must beg for alms to eat and live. That's how islam cares for women . They can't bear to see women educated and economically independent , which goes against their ethos of 'slave trade' with them. Western women are by and large economically independent, far more educated than a muslim woman , they enjoy the same rights as men in a secular and civil society, which is totally denied to muslim women.You can see the status of women in Saudi Arabia or for that matter under the rule of Taliban in Afghanistan where they practiced "pure islam" reducing educated women to beggary, closing down all schools imparting modern education, not allowing girls to any education! This is what islam promises to women! Even the fraud , the trickster who founded the cult of 'islam' found it convenient to marry a rich businesswoman(Khadija) , but denied women to have any public discourse after his evil invention called islam was established! This goes to show that in the pre-islamic Arabian society women could head businesses ( obviously they were educated) and own properties and run businesses, not having to be at the mercy of men! Islam has undone all that calling women 'deficient' ,denigrating them to be just sex-slaves and child-bearing machines, commodities that can be bought and sold in slavery and the ultimate insult to treat them no better than their camels by keeping them unlettered! Yet we have muslims isulting and denigrating them because they feature in advertisements promoting some products! If they feel so fidgety about western culture , why do these rascals rush to Europe and America. These damn hypocrites have no right to insult women of other culture when they treat their own as domesticated animals , no better than slaves , to be beaten and subjugated when they revolt against mal-treatment! THEY SHOULD STAY IN THEIR ROTTEN COUNTRIES LIKE SAUDI ARABIA,IRAN,PAKISTAN,AFGHANISTAN,IRAQ,ETHIOPIA,SOMALIA,SUDAN,etc. to enjoy the fruits of "ISLAM" . No ,they will NOT ,for they are HYPOCRITES and SCOUNDRELS ,JUST LIKE THEIR OPPORTUNISTIC FAKE WHO CALLS HIMSELF A "PROPHET"!


Name: To All the zombies and dullwit muslims
Date: Wednesday June 18, 2008
Time: 03:39:21 -0700

Name: Challenge to all infidels from Akhter
Date: Wednesday June 18, 2008
Time: 10:28:30 -0700

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Produce a sura like quran. You cannot because Quran says you are lowest creatures (98.6) and worst beasts(8.55) and Quran is the undeniable truth.


Name: Akhtar You are a kafir
Date: Wednesday June 18, 2008
Time: 10:31:25 -0700

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Why are you changing our prophet's last words?


Name: SAVING MUSLIMS FROM ISLAM
Date: Wednesday June 18, 2008
Time: 10:56:02 -0700

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For the ex-Muslims who have left Islam, you indeed think clearly and are courageous. Millions of Muslims are trying to get into the West from North Africa and also Pakistan and Bangladesh. Islam makes the Muslims lazy, quarrelsome, irrational and idiotic. No wonder many Muslim countries are failed states. BUT HELP FROM NON-MUSLIMS IS ON THE WAY....


Name: SAVING MUSLIMS FROM ISLAM
Date: Wednesday June 18, 2008
Time: 11:03:22 -0700

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The time is coming, and now is, when non-Muslims would demolish mosques, kill Muslim religious leaders (who are the cause of all the troubles) and perform super circumcision on them. Cut off their testicles and penis and stuff it into their mouth. It would then be paraded for Muslims to see. This is to encourage them to leave Islam. MUSLIM WOMEN WOULD BE GLAD TO PERFORM SUPER-CIRCUMCISION on the imams as they were treated like animals


Name: hanif
Date: Wednesday June 18, 2008
Time: 12:30:21 -0700

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Muslims are not here because they wish to, but because it Allah's will,the foundations of Islam are now firmly in place through out Europe,and already with Allah's help Islam is now the second biggest faith every where. After the mindless terrorist attacks Muslims are facing difficulties, but they will never loose hope.the Muslims are in similar position here to what they were in Mecca,and we all know what happened there next.


Name: matthew
Date: Wednesday June 18, 2008
Time: 12:32:27 -0700

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What are the statistics of domestic violemce , rape etc in islamic countries? Nobody knows. Islamic countries are closed societies which do not conduct such census and research. The non muslim world does in an attempt to improve their societies. Moreover criminal behaviour is punishable by law and is prohibited by religious scripture for non muslims. Islam however sanctions domestic violence and enslaving women. If women in the west want to have multiple partners it is not because they are forced to. They do it of their free will. In islam they are forced by the religion to share their husband with several women. So a man can have multiple partners but a women cannot. Also a women is forced to have multiple male partners in islam because men can divorce their wives so easily by just saying talaq three times. Women cannot get financial supprt from husbands if they ask for divorce. Now can you reply. Why do you suspend your intelligence to support the indefensible?


Name: to Akhter, challenge to all infidels from akhter.
Date: Thursday June 19, 2008
Time: 03:03:21 -0700

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Produce a sura like quran. You cannot because Quran says you are lowest creatures (98.6) and worst beasts(8.55) and Quran is the undeniable truth. You only copy and paste the above words in every article in this site. Akhter, you are the parrot. Write these words again and again. Does your owner, the devilish Mo, teach you only those words? Better hang yourself in a mango tree. The world will be a nice place to live if more people like you are dead. Ha ha ha ....


Name: THE REAL AKHTER!!
Date: Thursday June 19, 2008
Time: 05:11:39 -0700

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the above challange is not from Akhter, but an attempt to create a debate so it helps the writer, as far i am concerned no one has, no one can, and no one will meet the challange,so next time this challange appears you know it is not from me.


Name: Challenge to all infidels from Akhter
Date: Thursday June 19, 2008
Time: 10:02:31 -0700

Comment

Yes the challenge is from real Akhter. Produce a sura like Quran.You cannot because Quran says you are the lowest creature and worst beasts.


Name: Matthew
Date: Thursday June 19, 2008
Time: 13:25:59 -0700

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According to muslims on this site women in the west have loose morals and the west is depraved and decadent. Why then do muslims still arrive in these countries in large numbers. Are they not afraid of being corrupted? Why do muslims not stay back in their islamic countries which have islamic sharia law? They way they are defending islamic religion I should think they would be comfortable and feel safe in a islamic country. But yet they wish to go to the west. Any explanations? Why has islamic religion not made any islamic countries prosperous, progressive and among the best in the world? The most prosperous and powerful countries are non muslim. How come following islam has not made any islamic nation among the top countries in the world? Any explanations?


 
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