Islam Under Scrutiny by Ex-Muslims

Proof that the Quran thinks the Earth is Flat

I have read many articles over the last year where different people have tried to explain that the Quran is describing a flat earth. Countering this, many Muslims like Dr Naik have tried to prove that the Quran is describing a spherical model as we know it today. What I find with Dr Naik’s arguments is that he makes too many assumptions and tries to manufacture Quran verses to fit his model. This is both dangerous from religious and scientific viewpoints.

From a religious viewpoint, if anybody can do this, we can easily create another subset within Islam and create a new religion. How do you think the Shias, Kadianis, Ismaelies sprung up. If we assume too much, we will soon find Naik claiming to be a new prophet. He is already trying to prove the Quran wrong and is well on his way as he has commanded a reasonable following. This also makes Dr Naik a Kafir, as he is trying to prove the Quran wrong.

From a scientific viewpoint, Dr Naik, whilst trying to prove that the Quran is very scientific, is also breaking the basic rules of science. He is making too many assumptions in his arguments and is running around all the scientific encyclopedias to find theories that fit his model. He is very imaginative and cunning, hence deceiving even the muslim scientific minds. Naik and Bucaille have truly taken the Muslims for a ride and have made a lot of money by telling Muslims what they want to hear. The Muslims, on the other hand are completely blind and are following them in masses. Since Naik and Bucaille are both medics, their arguments are equivalent to assuming that when a patient walks through the door, he/she must have cancer and immediately start administering chemotheraphy treatment. We know how dangerous this assumption would lead to. A doctor would immediately be struck off if he/she made such assumptions. You would normally look for symptoms and follow up with blood tests, scans etc before making any conclusions.

I will now prove to you that the Quran is only describing a Flat model. I will achieve this by quoting only verses from the Quran.
For strengthening my argument, I have used 7 Suras, which either contain descriptive verses or verses that would only be applicable to a Flat earth model. If I have missed any suras that describe a spherical model, please bring this to my attention and I will update this document. So far, I have not found any verses that support a spherical model. I have used the Noble Quran translation, which is very well accepted and trusted by the Muslim world. I would strongly recommend you to use your own trusted version to follow these verses. The Noble Quran can be found at www.thenoblequran.com.

Before I continue, for the benefit of those who are not scientific, we need to understand the main differences between the belief that existed since the Greek civilisation in a flat world model, until Galileo (1564 – 1642) proved that the earth was spherical. Galileo was persecuted by the Christians and made to renounce his findings as it went against the teachings of the Bible. We should thank him for our space exploitation today. It has given us Satellite TV, Mobile Phones etc. I will now explain the two models below :-

Flat Earth Model

Belief assumed earth was completely flat
Day and night could not happen simultaneously
Earth fixed and sun orbiting the earth
Myths were ripe surrounding where the sun set and rose from
Model could only support a single sunrise and sunset point
Model could not support different time zones across the world

Spherical Earth Model

Earth is almost spherical with a few minor exceptions around the poles
Earth orbits the SUN
Earth is spinning to give us day and night simultaneously
SUN is static relative to the earth
Each point on earth has its own sunrise and sunset point
Different time zones supported across the world

Before I present the verses of the Quran that describes the earth, I will start of with the following verse.

Sura Az-Zukhruf (43:3)

We verily, have made it a Qur'ân in Arabic, that you may be able to understand (its meanings and its admonitions).

This verse is clearly telling us that the Quran is meant to be easily understood and not what Dr Naik assumes, by taking us around the universe. Galaxies were not understood at the time the Quran was revealed and hence would have confused the people at the time. Also, as you will notice, all suras I have pointed out were revealed in Makkah, at a time when the prophet was under immense pressure to explain every verse of the Quran clearly. Naik is using fallacy and creating his own science in the Quran.


These are the Descriptive verses

Sura Al-Kahf (18:47)

And (remember) the Day We shall cause the mountains to pass away (like clouds of dust), and you will see the earth as a levelled plain, and we shall gather them all together so as to leave not one of them behind.

Sura Taha (20:53)

Who has made earth for you like a bed (spread out); and has opened roads (ways and paths etc.) for you therein; and has sent down water (rain) from the sky. And We have brought forth with it various kinds of vegetation.

Sura Az-Zukhruf (43:10)

Who has made for you the earth like a bed, and has made for you roads therein, in order that you may find your way.

Sura Az-Zukhruf (43:38)

Till, when (such a one) comes to Us, he says [to his Qarîn (Satan / devil companion)] "Would that between me and you were the distance of the two easts (or the east and west)" a worst (type of) companion (indeed)!

Sura An-Naba (78:6)

Have We not made the earth as a bed,

Sura An-Naziat (79:30)

And after that He spread the earth;

 

These verses would only be applicable to a flat earth belief

Sura An-Naml (27:61)

Is not He (better than your gods) Who has made the earth as a fixed abode, and has placed rivers in its midst, and has placed firm mountains therein, and has set a barrier between the two seas (of salt and sweet water).Is there any ilâh (god) with Allâh? Nay, but most of them know not.

Sura Al-Kahf (18:86)

Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people. We (Allâh) said (by inspiration): "O Dhul-Qarnain! Either you punish them, or treat them with kindness."

Sura Al-Kahf (18:90)

Until, when he came to the rising place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We (Allâh) had provided no shelter against the sun.

Sura Yasin (36:38)

And the sun runs on its fixed course for a term (appointed). That is the Decree of the All-Mighty, the All-Knowing.

Sura Yasin (36:40)

It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor does the night outstrip the day. They all float, each in an orbit.

All these verses support a Flat earth model that the Quran is describing. I strongly encourage you to read these Suras in their entirety, to prove to yourself that I have not taken or used any verse out of context. If you feel that I have missed any verses which describe or support a spherical model, please provide me the verses from the Quran. Any imaginations not supported by a verse from the Quran will NOT be acceptable.

 

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Name: good work
Date: Monday January 28, 2008
Time: 23:35:29 -0700

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Name: The writer has been brainwashed!
Date: Tuesday January 29, 2008
Time: 00:27:06 -0700

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None of the above verses conclusively prove that the earth is flat. The writer has been brainwashed by anti-Islamic propagandists!!!


Name: U.K. TODAY.
Date: Tuesday January 29, 2008
Time: 01:18:26 -0700

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The moon is made of cheese and must be worshiped - Camel crap cures all ailments - virgins await good Muslims in heaven - and perhaps the most desirable one of all - Mohammad is the prophet of God.


Name: Re : The writer has been brainwashed
Date: Tuesday January 29, 2008
Time: 02:37:02 -0700

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Could you please provide verses from the Quran that describe the spherical model. I would be looking for verses that support day and night happening at the same time, Earth orbiting the SUN, different sunrise and sunset points across the world, earth spinning, different time zones, earth moving. Just 2 verses to describe any of these symptoms will be a start. You can also go and talk to Space scientits or Muslim scientists for an analysis of this model. At the moment, the only verses that appear in the Quran are all describing a flat earth.


Name: Logical Thinker for U.K Today
Date: Tuesday January 29, 2008
Time: 02:41:26 -0700

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Please lets address the issues rather than go out and attack Islam. I want a serious debate on this topic.


Name: Astronomic
Date: Tuesday January 29, 2008
Time: 02:49:52 -0700

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From Surah 36:38-40 it also becomes obvious that the Quran regards the position of the Earth as fixed, whilst sun and moon are circulating around it. This is nothing else but the geocentric view of ancient scholars. So how come that the almighty Allah, the one who created the entire world did not know that the sun (which, according to the quran, was created by Allah himself!) is in the center with all the planets running around it?


Name: Logical Thinker
Date: Tuesday January 29, 2008
Time: 02:52:17 -0700

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Anybody can put any rubbish on youtube. If you are seriously interested in finding the truth, get both views analysed by scientists you can trust. Living in denial is also an option.


Name: True Muslim
Date: Tuesday January 29, 2008
Time: 03:06:04 -0700

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Rubbish you say. Quran is the words of Allah, the creator of the universe and knower of all things in heaven and earth. His words cannot be wrong. You are either misinterpreting and failing to understand His meanings.


Name: Logical Thinker for True Muslim
Date: Tuesday January 29, 2008
Time: 04:16:43 -0700

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I have only quoted Allahs words. Check the Quran out yourself.


Name: An Observer
Date: Tuesday January 29, 2008
Time: 04:29:01 -0700

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Notice where the sun is setting in Sura Al-Kahf (18:86). If this is not a myth associated with the flat world belief, what is it ?


Name: U.K. TODAY.
Date: Tuesday January 29, 2008
Time: 05:08:00 -0700

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Re Logical Thinker; - I don't know how it is possible to debate with any critical acclaim, - the monolithical diatribes of a seventh century bedouin. - I've no doubt that in seventh century Arabia the general census of opinion was indeed, - that the world was thought to be a flat entity. - Mohammad, therefore passed this information on to his alter-ego - "Allah" - which fully validates your findings. - I sometimes think that we attempt to delve too deeply into subject matters, that then in hindsight, seem to have taken away our basic rationale, of seeing and stating the obvious. Your points are correct. - The Koran - like the Bible, is open to much disdain and ridicule in the Twenty-First Century in which we reside. If people in this world need faith in their lives, I can fully understand that point of view, - but to super-impose ones fundamental beliefs onto others with the use of threats and violence, is another matter entirely.


Name: Shafee al-Apostate al-Zindig
Date: Tuesday January 29, 2008
Time: 05:14:16 -0700

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The Quranic verses which are accurately quoted in this article plainly reveal that Muhammad believed that the Earth was as flat as a pancake. Even if you twist the meaning of the plain Arabic words, apply a generous dose of taqiyya, make the words stand on their heads and do a double-flip you can still only come to the same conclusion of a Quranic flat Earth model belief. The only inaccuracy that can be found in this article is where the author mistakenly asserts that Galileo was persecuted by the Catholic Inquisition for promoting a spherical Earth model. He was actually persecuted for contradicting the Bible by proving that it was the Earth that moves around the Sun and not the Sun around the Earth. Even the Quran says the same thing, that both the Moon and the Sun orbit the Earth - Sura Yasin 36:40 “It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor does the night outstrip the day. They all float, each in an orbit.” Even in this quote the Quran gets it doubly wrong with another glaring error by claiming that the Sun cannot overtake the Moon. Ever heard of a lunar and solar eclipse? This is what happens when these heavenly bodies cross each other’s paths in the sky. It is reported in the early Islamic traditions that Muhammad was in a state of blind panic when he experienced an eclipse for the first time in Medina. He probably thought that his Allah was finally going to punish him for falsely claiming to be His mouthpiece. Incidentally both Columbus and Magellan, long before Galileo’s time, had proved that the Earth was spherical. Even from the time of the ancient Greek and Indian astronomers the belief in a spherical Earth was widely accepted by the learned. It was the illiterate Muhammad, as stated in his creation the Quran, who actually believed that the Earth was as flat as a carpet held down by the mountains.


Name: Watch the Debate on this issue
Date: Tuesday January 29, 2008
Time: 06:25:44 -0700

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Debate between Dr. William Campbell and Dr. Zakir Naik: http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-6693125820690597622&q=Qur%27an+and+bible+in+the+Light+of+Science


Name: KORAN SAYS SUN RISE IN EAST AND SET IN MUDDY SPRING IN WEST
Date: Tuesday January 29, 2008
Time: 06:26:24 -0700

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KORAN SAYS SUN RISE IN EAST AND SET IN MUDDY SPRING IN WEST,IT CLEARLY SHOWS THAT KORAN IS MAN CREATED AND THINGS SUN ACTUALLY TRAVELS IN THE SKY AND SETS IN A MUDDY SPRING ON IMAGINARY DEITY COMMAND. SO MUCH FOR TRUTH AND FACTS IN KORAN.


Name: To: Brainwashed muslim
Date: Tuesday January 29, 2008
Time: 10:32:48 -0700

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To start with how do you know conclusively: -Jibraeel was travelling daily to earth to carry verses and delivering verbally to Mohammed. -The verses in Quran are the same Mohammed was ranting claiming them as revelations since he could neither write or read them nor Allah sent written verses on a paper and the compilation was done anywhere from 26 years to 150 years later according to various authorities. Wouldnt it be lot smarter of Allah to send a bounded version of complete Quran since it is saved in book form in heaven. Why did he have to break it and send verse by verse in 23 years? There is ample proof that the final version of Quran was done in Abbasids time. Needless to say that scientific know-how of that time was added to it to make it sound like a divine book. Oldest qurans found in Sana excavations and ayas from old coins and Baitul Muqaddas do not match with current quran.


Name: Robert Tarik
Date: Tuesday January 29, 2008
Time: 11:29:14 -0700

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Dear Logical Thinker, Logical and scientific thinking is not the methods of Dr. Naik. He is just nuts. I was once invited by someone to talk it out with him. But I didn't want to waste my time. With such Islamic leaders, all I can say is, "God help the Muslims." Allah will not. It is an excellent article, but you may need to add the following verses. a. And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance. 15:19. b. They ask thee concerning the Mountains: say, "My Lord will uproot them and scatter them as dust; "He will leave them as plains smooth and level; "Nothing crooked or curved wilt thou see in their place." 20:105-107. c. It is He Who created the Night and the Day, and the sun and the moon: all (the celestial bodies) swim along, each in its rounded course. 21:33 d. He created the heavens and the earth in true (proportions): He makes the Night overlap the Day, and the Day overlap the Night: He has subjected the sun and the moon (to His law): Each one follows a course for a time appointed. Is not He the Exalted in Power - He Who forgives again and again? 39:5. e. And the earth- We have spread it out, and set thereon mountains standing firm, and produced therein every kind of beautiful growth (in pairs)- To be observed and commemorated by every devotee turning (to Allah).. 50:7-8


Name: napsraps
Date: Tuesday January 29, 2008
Time: 19:33:53 -0700

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To me, most of you have it wrong. When God speaks of the earth being spread out, what does that have to do with shape? Please tell me. By spread out, God is referring to the fact that the earth is expansive. Even if you were to take it literally, when you walk upon the earth, no matter where you go, it will always feel flat and seem flat, even if you were in an airplae. It is only when you travel in space do you see it's true shape. It's as if you all are saying that God should have mentioned that the Earth is round, or should have said, the earth as a round bed, or spread out like a curved carpet. What is easier to understand and expansive (spread out)earth like a carpet or a earth thats rounded like a bed. God uses similitudes and metaphors to speak to creation so that they may understand. Not to mention, the qu'ran was not sent to reveal every secret that the universe holds. Some cration will discover on their own, some the qu'ran speaks about. Why don't you try doing a search for the miracles that the qu'ran speaks about, that many scientist have accepted Islam as their way of life because of the miracle that they Muhammad could not have possibly known these secrets unless he was divinely inspired.


Name: Scientist: Re: Napsraps
Date: Tuesday January 29, 2008
Time: 23:51:47 -0700

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Dear Napsraps, don´t you see that you a victim of all these islamic and islamistic liars? Without understandig the spherical nature of earth, it wouldn´t have been possible to discover america or to travel by plane or by ship from asia to america. There is no god behind the quran, it was written by humans who had no idea of modern science. And there are definitely no scientists who believe in the quran. It´s fake since the Quran is so full of errors and contradictions concerning science, history, logic, grammar and common sense.


Name: Another scientist
Date: Tuesday January 29, 2008
Time: 23:57:02 -0700

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We should also consider that the earth was never spread out in quranic sense. Modern science knows that the earth derived from a cloud consisting of materials which screw up into a ball. It is just the opposite of spreading out!


Name: Yet another scientist
Date: Wednesday January 30, 2008
Time: 00:35:28 -0700

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It is indeed a lie by the islamists to say that scientists look into the quran for scientific revealations. Science is not to be revealed by god. We humans have to research for it! Is there any muslim scientist who received a nobel prize? And why is the muslim world so behind? Not only behind the west, but also behind the far east. There is nothing more underdeveloped than the islamic world!


Name: Logical Thinker
Date: Wednesday January 30, 2008
Time: 02:45:26 -0700

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nasraps - The reasons I pointed out the symptoms is to show you that its not just the flat world description that is relevant. Verses (18:86) and (18:90) are incorrect as there is no such thing as reaching a place of sunrise and sunset. This implies that there is only 1 sunrise / sunset point on earth, which would only apply to a flat earth belief. Further more, why is Allah using Dhul-Qarnain to tell us where he saw the sun setting. This is clearly a mythology that existed at the time.


Name: Logical Thinker
Date: Wednesday January 30, 2008
Time: 02:48:44 -0700

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Shafee al-Apostate al-Zindig - Thanks for pointing out my error on why I thought Galileo was persecuted. I will correct this, but this does not invalidate the evidence that I have given.


Name: Logical Thinker
Date: Wednesday January 30, 2008
Time: 02:56:06 -0700

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Robert Tarik - Thanks for your comments. I had seen many articles arguing principally on descriptions of the flatness or spherical verses. These models are fundamentally different and since Naik & co are liars, I thought I would equip you with all other symptoms to look for in your arguments with people who do not think rationally. Providing a description is the least important point. I will add your verses to the article but there is plenty of evidence here.


Name: Logical Thinker
Date: Wednesday January 30, 2008
Time: 03:00:00 -0700

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Everybody - Please pass on this article to as many Muslims as you can (by email) to show them the truth. We have to fight fundamentalism together before it destroys humanity.


Name: Cool
Date: Wednesday January 30, 2008
Time: 10:07:32 -0700

Comment

Very poor arguments to try and prove the Quran says the earth is flat. The "earth as a bed" simply means as a resting place. And no I'm not a muslim but have read the Bible, Quran, and many other "holy books." I can find other in "the books" that are silly but your argument more silly that the sources you quote. Its good to be critical - but your hate is making you illogical.


Name: Cool
Date: Wednesday January 30, 2008
Time: 10:49:34 -0700

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One more thing. "The earth spread out" could mean the separation of the continents from being one land mass. I'm not sure if the original arabic term means earth as just land, land and sea or both. But the earth's land mass has been spread out over time. This is really just words that can be interpreted any number of ways.


Name: Not Cool
Date: Wednesday January 30, 2008
Time: 11:48:00 -0700

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Cool, have you read the whole document and all the verses that are mentioned ?


Name: Translation
Date: Wednesday January 30, 2008
Time: 12:59:18 -0700

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I think that cool is misunderstanding one thing. "Bed" does not mean a european kind of resting place but an arabian one. I think it´s more like a futon or a carpet and "spread" does mean to spread something like a carpet. Therefore, the quran does not only regard earth as geocentric, but also as flat.


Name: Cool
Date: Wednesday January 30, 2008
Time: 13:45:33 -0700

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Replying, Read the article twice. I think this a poor argument. Its called "Proof that the Quran thinks the Earth is Flat". The Quran is a book - it does not think - poor wording. I'm not for or against the argument. I just did not see "proof" that the Quran PROCLAIMS that the earth is flat for the article. I'm simply saying that the article did not prove that the Quran says the earth is flat. I had a muslim friend show me in Quran where it says the earth is egg shaped. I asked him "what type of egg?" Just being a critical thinker. Not trying to convince anyone. Thanks


Name: Not cool at all
Date: Wednesday January 30, 2008
Time: 14:24:05 -0700

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At first, it is clearly proclaimed that the sun has a rising and a setting place on earth at the east and west ends of the earth (a spherical earth does not have any end at all). Thus, the quran does indead repeat the common ancient thinking that the earth is flat. Secondly, the theory that earth is shaped like an ostrich egg. However, this translation is also very problematic.


Name: Cool
Date: Wednesday January 30, 2008
Time: 14:55:40 -0700

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To: Not cool at all and the rest, I see the sun rise and set and don't believe the earth is flat. This is just a story in the Quran telling what some person saw at a particular place. This does not prove that the author of the Quran knew or even cared if the earth was egg shaped or pancake shaped. This is just a very poor argument against the Quran or any book for that matter. Hate to say it but many of you muslim haters are just as blind as the muslims that you hate. I have other arguments with the Quran - but this not one of them.


Name: Not cool at all
Date: Thursday January 31, 2008
Time: 01:10:33 -0700

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To cool: First, we do not hate muslims, we love them. We want to set them free because every human being deserves it to live in peace and freedom. Secondly, the quran claims to be the only true revealation of god and that every single word is true. In islamic countries, people get their hands and feet cut off because the muslims believe that every single word in the quran is true. What is metaphoric and what is not? We have to show that quran was written by humans with geocentric view.


Name: Addition
Date: Thursday January 31, 2008
Time: 01:33:41 -0700

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... and then I would like to add that the quran also claims to be unambiguous, clear and easy to understand. How can an almighty god let his people stay in the wrong believe that earth is flat???


Name: Cool
Date: Thursday January 31, 2008
Time: 01:57:03 -0700

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Not cool at all: Please, understand me. I'm simply saying that this article did not prove that the Quran says the earth is flat. Also, trying to say that you can dislike something so much that it clouds your ability to think critically. I'm guilty of this too. Islam is a big topic and I'm sure there are a lot of valid things to be critical of - but this is not one of them. Unless, of course better references from the Quran are given. Seems like the earth is egg shaped thing takes the wind out of the argument.


Name: An Observer
Date: Thursday January 31, 2008
Time: 11:00:19 -0700

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Egg shaped does not mean much. The Quran is clearly telling us that Dhul-Qarnain found the place of the setting and rising sun. This statement would only be applicable to a flat earth. Further more, there is a verse in the Quran, which predicts that when Qiyamat is near, there will be a long night after which the sun will rise from the west. This is plainly not true since only half the world is in night time, the other half is enjoying day. Also, if the sun was to rise from the west, the earth would have to stop and start spinning in the opposite direction. What would happen to the side of the earth already facing the sun ? This prophecy was clearly made with the belief that the earth was flat. Mo has obviously pulled a quick one to confuse the muslims even more. The muslims were fooled for 1400 years and it's incredible that they still can't see the logic.


Name: Proof that they cant debate
Date: Thursday January 31, 2008
Time: 15:31:36 -0700

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The evidence is above


Name:
Date: Friday February 01, 2008
Time: 03:39:11 -0700

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Muslims are in a tearing hurry and agony to salvage the cosmology stated in Koran. It is nothing but Mohamad has interspersed in that phoney scripture whatever he could garner from established traditions ,like for example the Greeks and the Egyptians , especially Ptolemy (all of whom preceded Mohamad by atleast a millenium) who believed in a geocentric universe which was accepted until the advent of thinkers like Copernicus,Galileo, Kepler,etc. It is , therefore , afolly to ascribe any originality and igenuity to a fraudulent book like Koran. They not only rob the biblical stories,the original monotheism of Zarathustra, the philosophies of the East,Greeks, the pagan Egyptians, the Persians,etc. It is rather futile and worthless to give any credence to the so-called "science " in the book of around 600 pages of superstitious crap and nonsense with holy trappings and idiocy to be an exponent of science! To criticise Koran or Mohamad is sacrilege and blasphemous punishable by torture and horrific death,which goes to show to what lengths these people can go to protect such lies and inanities which are absolutely worthless and malignant.


Name: Everhappy
Date: Friday February 01, 2008
Time: 04:05:36 -0700

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This article does not PROVE that the quran claims the earth to be flat. The descriptive verses do not say the earth is flat. And they can be interpreted in many ways. BUT the verses that tell about the sun and moon, their "fixed" places, their "appointed" courses, those do indicate a belief in a flat earth.


Name: Philip Saenz
Date: Friday February 01, 2008
Time: 06:00:55 -0700

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It's too bad that "Dr" Naik doesn't understand that assumptions can be totally, 100%, wrong.


Name: Philip Saenz
Date: Friday February 01, 2008
Time: 10:14:42 -0700

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Only a hard core Muslim bigot could believe the liar, child molester, pedophile Muhammad. Some Muslims still believe that the earth is flat just because the liar Muhammad said so. The earth is round and not flat. Look at the earth from any side from outer space, and anyone can see the earth is very round. Why believe that idiot Muhammad? That lying jerk has all the earmarks of a false prophet. Muhammad raped Aisha when the little girl was only eight years and nine months old. Does that sound like a prophet from God? It sounds more like that that jerk Muhammad was an android gone amuck. Muhammad didn't even allow little Aisha to hold on to her doll as Muhammad raped her. Hell, that sex maniac Muhammad was too busy thinking of something else. Evil Muhammad owned slaves. Does that sound like a prophet from God? Hot pants Muhammad was incestious. Muhammad took his son's wife away from him, and then married her, and then he said it pleased Allah. Did the evil desires of that sex maniac Muhammad come from God? Of course not. The sex fiend Muhammad treated women like chicken shit. Muhammad beat women half to death. Do such shenanigans come from a true prophet of God? Of course not. Muhammad murdered especially Jews, creatures of God. If Muhammad was so evil, why believe him when he said that the earth is flat? Like I said, only a Muslim bigot can believe that idiot Muhammad. It's time to throw the Qur'an away into the trash, and forget about the liar Muhammad.


Name: pmk
Date: Friday February 01, 2008
Time: 19:32:57 -0700

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Incidentally both Columbus and Magellan, long before Galileo’s time, had proved that the Earth was spherical. Shafee al-Apostate al-Zindig: It's a minor point but Columbus BELIEVED Earth was spherical. He was in the minority. His voyage didn't prove it however. People could have interpreted his traversing the Atlantic as proof that Earth was wider than they thought. Not until Magellan circumnavigated the globe could "flat earth" be disproved. Their feats did nothing to help Galileo. It was possible to believe Earth was a sphere and at the same time believe that it was at the center of the universe and that all other bodies, including the sun, revolved around it.


Name: Wow
Date: Saturday February 02, 2008
Time: 13:15:51 -0700

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Wow, seems to me that quite a lot of people are reading the comments! So do the muslims also realize that there is no, and I say really no, islamic tradition before Muhammad? You must see it this way: Archaeologists found thousands if not millions of pieces of papyrus with jewish texts, christian texts, jewish-heretical, christian-heretical, gnostic and many more ancient texts, but there was not a single islamic or hanif text, nor has there been any other text, which only hinted to any islamic or hanif tradition. There was no adam or abraham who built the kaaba! There are only some texts which agree with the islamic viewpoint that jesus did not die at the cross. However, this was a claim by polytheistic gnostics who believed that the monotheistic god Jehova/Allah/Jahwe was a jealous, intolerant and stubborn tyrant. I think this is a very correct characterization! And I also think that Muhammad copied this one fact (that jesus did not really die at the cross) from gnosticism to have something different from the bible. That´s all. There is nothing special in the quran.


Name: The Evil Allah
Date: Sunday February 03, 2008
Time: 04:36:33 -0700

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Dear UK Today actually u werent far off with that camel crap comment .. mohammed told his followers to drink camel urine for its medicinal properties hahaha *Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 4, Number 234:


Name: God's devoted servant
Date: Thursday February 07, 2008
Time: 04:14:26 -0700

Comment

You need to look at the Arabic meanings of the verses. English does not give the Quran justice. Get an Arabic dictionary and look up the word "daha" in the verse you quoted in Surah Naziat (79:30). "Daha" means to spread out then make something round shape. Also look at this verse which you missed saying that on the day of judgement the earth will be flattened (84:3) proving that the earth is not flat. You cannot flatten something which is already flat. Please before you post you ideas do a full research. May God give us peace. Thanks


Name: For God's devoted servant
Date: Friday February 08, 2008
Time: 01:32:27 -0700

Comment

You have obviously not read the article. Please read the whole article and the comments.


Name: Misunderstood
Date: Friday February 08, 2008
Time: 04:38:06 -0700

Comment

Flatten earth means remove the mountains. Read the full sura.


Name: Abdullah
Date: Saturday February 09, 2008
Time: 10:17:28 -0700

Comment

The word you have translated bed actually means carpet and carpet can also be spread round. 2) in verse30 sura79 Allah says earth is egg shaped. The word used in this verse is dahaha meaning egg derived from duhiva


Name: Abdullah (M.ROUHAN.f)
Date: Saturday February 09, 2008
Time: 10:32:34 -0700

Comment

The earth is made of different layers and spreading of carpet can also mean spreading of layers


Name: For Abdullah
Date: Sunday February 10, 2008
Time: 02:05:33 -0700

Comment

Could you please stop using your own twisted logic. Sura Al-Kahf and sura Al-Yasin are enough to tell you what Allah thinks of the earth. These verses are clearly describing the geo-centric earth belief before Galileo, using folklore (see where the sun is setting), pointing to a singular sunrise and sunset place where only knowledgeable people like Dhul-Qarnain can go etc. Without even using the descriptive verses, Allah's knowledge of this earth doesn't extend beyond what the people at the time of the prophet, believed.


Name: M.ROUHAN.F
Date: Sunday February 10, 2008
Time: 06:49:28 -0700

Comment

In Al-kahf verse 80 "when reached the place were sun sets" ,signifies the extreme limit of west. It does not mean actual place were sun sets. What the verse implies is that Dhul-Qarnayn conqured one territory after territory in the west ward direction untill he reached the very end of the land mass and beyond which lay the sea and the sun set in that land seemed him as if sun had set in blackish ,muddy water of sea.


Name: M.ROUHAN.f (Abdullah)
Date: Sunday February 10, 2008
Time: 07:04:10 -0700

Comment

In sura yaseen 36 it is mentioned that sun runs for a term at that is true according science.2nd) in same sura allah says sun and moon flot but allah never says earth does not move


Name: Rouhan
Date: Sunday February 10, 2008
Time: 09:06:25 -0700

Comment

I want to give u correct translation of sura 36, verse40 "it is not for sun to catch moon..." but u have used "overtake" instead of "catch"


Name: M.ROUHAN.F
Date: Monday February 11, 2008
Time: 07:15:07 -0700

Comment

In sura 84 where All is mentioning about day of judgement he says:" when sky will burst . It will follow command of Allah an when we will make earth flat." Note that it is mentioned when we will make earth flat , this shows Quran says earth is round and not flat


Name: M.ROUHAN.F
Date: Monday February 11, 2008
Time: 07:30:13 -0700

Comment

The first verse(18, 47)which u have used to prove earth is flat says"the day i shall cause mountains to pass away and you will see earth as leveled plain" refers to day of judgment when Allah will make earth plain and this verse also proves quran does not say earth is plain as plain cannot be changed into plain.


Name: M.ROUHAN.f
Date: Monday February 11, 2008
Time: 07:54:01 -0700

Comment

The verse from al zukhruf(43:38) which u have used to prove Quran says that the only one east or west (ie 1 sun rise point) exists says "2 easts" this shows quran says their is more 1 sun rising point. This fact is mentioned in sura Rehman as Allah says 'I am lord of 2 easts and 2 wests'. At another place Quran says Allah is lord of easts and wests. So quran says their is more than one sun set or sun rise point which is possible on round earth.


Name: M.ROUHAN.F ANSWER TO TPBIAMFG
Date: Monday February 11, 2008
Time: 08:41:46 -0700

Comment

The miracles of quran are so much in number that I can't mention them here but I advise u to visit "www.answering-christianity.com"


Name: M.ROUHAN.F ANSWER TO phlip
Date: Monday February 11, 2008
Time: 09:28:34 -0700

Comment

The Muhammed didn't married his sons wife. The name of his sons was Qasim and Abrahim and the name of his slave was zaid whome Mohd wanted to free but Zaid rejected to be free and said how can I leave u , u love me like a father.1) Mohd always stressed freeing slaves. 2) He said "give ur slave what u keep for ur selves.and do not give them work which they cant do.(al-bukhari,hno 26) 3)MOHD used to fast max.days and during fast sex is not allowed then how can u say Mohd was fond of sex.4)AESHA was wife of Mohd and how can person rape his wife.5)Mohd married wife of zaid(his slave not son) after Zaid had divorced her to show we can marry divorced women. Now I request u to go through life of Mohd and see how kind was he.6) Mohd killed jews because they attacked muslims in battle of ditch


Name: For M.ROUHAN.F
Date: Monday February 11, 2008
Time: 13:56:11 -0700

Comment

Can you please tell me why your Allah is not consistent ? He says one thing in one sura and something totally contradictory in a different sura. Could you please tell me who Dhul-Qarnain is and where are the sunrise and sunset places that this mystical person went to. According to the sura, these should be the most easterly and westerley points on the earth as it was known during the prophets days. I don't want folklore, want real places that we should now be able to find anywhere on earth. Apparently, Gog and Magog are not far from this place. Read Sura Al-Kahf. There is no place on earth that we cannot find today. Verses 96 & 97 are, Verse 96 - "Give me pieces (blocks) of iron," then, when he had filled up the gap between the two mountaincliffs, he said: "Blow," till when he had made it (red as) fire, he said: "Bring me molten copper to pour over it." Verse 97 - So they [Ya'jûj and Ma'jûj (Gog and Magog)] were made powerless to scale it or dig through it. These mountains the Sura is referring to, cannot remain hidden today. Who do you think are the fools ?


Name: M.ROUHAN.F
Date: Tuesday February 12, 2008
Time: 06:57:42 -0700

Comment

Dhul Quarnain was prophet of Allah.The ans to ur question about sun setting is already given by me in earlier coments. 2) If we will study mountains we will find that the lava consists of many metals molten in it which proves verse 96 of al-kahf is true. As far as gog & mog are conserned their hideness is like hideness of 'jins' and angels.


Name: hira javaid
Date: Tuesday February 12, 2008
Time: 12:17:27 -0700

Comment

i think your site are the best but if you only could have some ayas from the quran about different countryies like china!


Name: For M.ROUHAN.F
Date: Tuesday February 12, 2008
Time: 13:00:05 -0700

Comment

I have come to agree with the author of the article. You guys like to manufacture verses to suit your twisted logic. Here is verse 90 from Sura Al-Kahf "Until, when he came to the rising place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We (Allâh) had provided no shelter against the sun.". This verse would not be applicable to a spherical model as there would be no such thing as a particular place being closest to the point of sunrise. Allah clearly thought the sun was coming out of the ground and there were a people who were not protected from the heat of the sun living close by to where the sun was rising from. To hide one lie, one has to cover up 1000 lies. I am afraid, I don't accept any of your illogical arguments, they just wouldn't stand up to any scientific analysis. Angels, Gins, Satans etc are all clever imaginary objects that can never be proved but stupid idiots will happily accept without any questions. We are living in the 21st century and understand alot more things than what people understood 1400 years ago. I urge all readers to read Sura Al-kahf and you will see that all the verses are supporting the pre-Galileo (flat earth) belief.


Name: For M.ROUHAN.F
Date: Thursday February 14, 2008
Time: 09:46:11 -0700

Comment

V.83 onwards does not provide any answers. It's just jumping topics and you seem to have made up your mind. The shelter is definitely referring to punishment. I would take this sura to an independent person and have it analysed. Take it to someone who doesn't know the Quran so as not to bias their opinion.


Name: muslim man
Date: Thursday February 14, 2008
Time: 22:09:06 -0700

Comment

None of the above verses conclusively prove that the earth is flat. The writer has been brainwashed by anti-Islamic propagandists!!!


Name: For muslim man
Date: Friday February 15, 2008
Time: 01:10:21 -0700

Comment

if the writer has been brainwashed, why don't you lift your veil ? It appears that Muslims dont want to accept the quran as is, when the errors are pointed out.


Name: M.ROUHAN.F advice to muslims
Date: Friday February 15, 2008
Time: 09:38:50 -0700

Comment

Say to disbelievers : I worship not that which you worship. Nor u worship that I worship and I shall not worship that which u worship. Nor will u worship which I worship. Unto u ur religion, and un to me my religion


Name: M.ROUHAN.F
Date: Friday February 15, 2008
Time: 09:59:39 -0700

Comment

'Have not those who disbelieve known that the sky and the earth were together then we seperated them' (al-ambiya 21:30) "Then Allah turned to the heaven when it was smoke"(fusilat41:11)


Name: For M.ROUHAN.F
Date: Friday February 15, 2008
Time: 13:12:43 -0700

Comment

What is the sky ? Is it not just open space. If you think there is a covering, we have a problem. Also, at the end of the day, we are all believers and we all want to make money. Thats why we have come to live in the land of the Kuffars because the Muslim land will kill us in poverty.


Name: M.ROUHAN.F
Date: Saturday February 16, 2008
Time: 03:35:53 -0700

Comment

The reason why muslims are behind is that the left quran .quran tell us to seek knowledge. The first verse of quran revealed was read. Now please ask ur self few questions -1) who are we2)why are we hear3)from what are we created and who created us and why . Try to answer these questiöns urself first the go through quran u will find answer.


Name: M.ROUHAN.F advice to muslims
Date: Saturday February 16, 2008
Time: 04:33:41 -0700

Comment

Say to disbileavers: 'shall we in voke,apart from A£lah ,something that can nether benifit nor harm us ,and thus be turned back on heels after Allah has guided us? Then will we not be like the one whom the evil ones have lured into bewilderment in the earth, even though he has friends who call him to the true guidance saying :"come to us". Say (to disbelievers) :'surely Allah's guiadance is the only true guidance,and we have been ordered to submit over selves to Allah". Now at end I want to quote a verse from quran ie "TO KILL 1 MAN IS TO KILL WHOLE MANKIND"


Name: Advice for Non-Believers
Date: Saturday February 16, 2008
Time: 16:00:44 -0700

Comment

1) Enjoy your life to the fullest. Muslims are living in fantasy and have self imposed a life sentence on their lives. 2) Thank Allah that 95% of the muslims are not following the Quran as they should, otherwise imagine the mess the world would be in. If muslims followed the Quran literally, they would want to kill all the kuffrs of the world, which also includes other sects within Islam. Each sect regards the others as Kuffrs. 3) You can see why they want to blame the west for their problems. Muslims do not want to come out of the 7th century enclave. The west must give them their own states and let them practice what they want as long as they do not try to interfere with us. It would soon be apparent how far they can develope as a functional society.


Name: witness
Date: Wednesday February 20, 2008
Time: 09:12:41 -0700

Comment

who wrote this article , he will not read all those comments , and he will not analyze or correct his knowledge , because the truth and the honest debate r not his gaol ,earth flat in Quran ?? where and how ?? OMG ,


Name: For witness
Date: Thursday February 21, 2008
Time: 01:20:00 -0700

Comment

It is you, who has NOT read the comments. I get a feeling that you do not want to accept the Quran as pointed out to you. The verses are all from the Quran (No Fabrication), and if you have a problem with that, ask your Allah why he wrote it that way.


Name: Dont be retar
Date: Thursday February 21, 2008
Time: 16:25:21 -0700

Comment

Why are people so stupid these days? How many times must it be pointed out that in the quran theres a verse stating the earth to be egg shaped? its funny, we have anti-islamist spinning every word when it infact can be interperted in many different ways, but when prove is given to them by another verse they just balantly ignore it and telling you to stop applying your own twisted logic. Sigh


Name: For Dont be retar
Date: Friday February 22, 2008
Time: 11:45:34 -0700

Comment

Who is being stupid here ? If you say the earth is egg shaped, then this is definitely wrong. The earth is a sphere. Furthermore, you have over 10 descriptive verses which are describing a flat earth. You only have one, supposedly so called egg shape. There is an answer for this on www.answering-islam.org.


Name: M.ROUHAN.F
Date: Friday February 22, 2008
Time: 18:45:13 -0700

Comment

In quran earth is compared with ostrich egg, whih closely resembles to earth's shape (sphear)


Name: For M.ROUHAN.F Re :Egg Shape
Date: Saturday February 23, 2008
Time: 01:59:40 -0700

Comment

Let us have a closer look at the scientific side of this claim: If we take a perfect ball and a normal egg, then the earth is much closer in shape to the perfect ball than to the egg. Scientists tell us that the actual shape of the earth is nearly a perfect ball very minor flattening at the poles. The actual percentage is so small that it is negligable. I am not sure what sort of eggs the hens are laying in Arab countries, but in Europe and America, it is rather unlike the shape of a ball that is a bit flattened at two antipodal ends. Since the equator is a circle, we have to set the egg on the table with the "ball shaped" end at the bottom and the peak end at the top. But then, we have the problem that the north pole is not flattened, but instead bulging outwards even further than what the perfect ball would be, instead of being dented inwards as the earth is. So, instead of being LESS than the ball shape, an egg is MORE than the ball shape and the error in comparison to the real shape of the earth is much worse for an egg than for a ball. A sane Muslim response from the newsgroup soc.religion.islam confirms the above: as-salamu 'alaykum. This nonsense about "egg-shaped" crops up from time to time. An egg has an equator which is smaller than that of a sphere with the same polar radius. This is opposite to the situation with the earth, where the equator is *very slightly* larger than that of a corresponding sphere. An egg is more or less a prolate spheroid, and the difference between it and a sphere is quite obvious visually. The earth is quite spherical, but, if one must be more precise, it is an oblate spheroid. It is not egg-shaped, no matter how one slices it. Abdul raHman Lomax Is the Qur'an now scientifically proven wrong by this? You might be glad to find out that the Qur'an does not make the false claim that the earth is "egg-shaped" after all. This is only the error of a misguided propaganda translation. Claiming that "dahaha" means "egg-shaped" is an atrocious mistranslation of the Arabic word. This issue is further investigated in an article about the true meaning.


Name: Feeling by skin
Date: Saturday February 23, 2008
Time: 02:06:47 -0700

Comment

There is nothing scientific in this verse. This is something even little babies can observe and feel. Where is the science that you claim ?


Name: M.ROUHAN.F
Date: Saturday February 23, 2008
Time: 10:16:07 -0700

Comment

First I want to tell u that Quran is the book which shows right path ,it is book of guideance and not science. Now as far as egg shaped is conserned ,it is mentioned that earth is like ostrich egg and if u will look at ostrich egg it is similar to earth.


Name: For M.ROUHAN.F
Date: Saturday February 23, 2008
Time: 14:44:32 -0700

Comment

The scientific facts you mention are scientific errors. 21:33 and 36:38 are talking of SUN orbiting the earth i.e earth is fixed and sun orbiting the earth to cause day and night. This is consistent with the flat world belief.


Name: Pundit
Date: Saturday February 23, 2008
Time: 20:46:10 -0700

Comment

"The Arabs of the 7th century heard Mohammed reciting the verses describing the movement of the sun around a flat earth that is stabilized by placing mountains here and there. They heard Mohammed saying the earth is like a carpet, they did not see anything unusual in that. They normally sat on their carpets in the open and placed few stones (mountains) here and there to stabilize it. They did not see anything unscientific in that."--Shabana Muhammad ...........http://www.islam-watch.org/Shabana/RealIslam/Chapter9.htm.............I can't conceive of a need to put heavy weights to stabilize something shaped like an ostrich egg. On the other hand,a flat carpet ..yes.................... Muslim commenters regularly flip-flop in their arguments between literal and allegoprical interpretation of Quran. Please make up your collective minds which it is to be and not just switch and change from one to the other to suit your argument. Remember " The Holy Quran is the word of Allah and cannot be in error; when the evidence contradicts the Quran, the evidence must be rejected as false and erroneous."


Name: M.ROUHAN.F
Date: Sunday February 24, 2008
Time: 19:30:55 -0700

Comment

In 21:33 and 36:40 quran says sun and moon floats but it does not say sun floats around earth. .IN 36:38 quran says "sun runs towards a fixed place" , according to science sun is moving towards a fixed point,and have named it solar apex.


Name: For M.ROUHAN.F
Date: Tuesday February 26, 2008
Time: 14:34:18 -0700

Comment

Quran is clear that the SUN orbit is for the earth. For you to bring in Solar Apex, the quran would have have to be talking of galaxies and milky way. How did you arrive at this conclusion ?


Name: M.ROUHAN.F
Date: Tuesday February 26, 2008
Time: 20:16:09 -0700

Comment

It is mentioned in sura 56 verse 85 "by the places of stars" .what are these places! They are galaxies


Name: German Shepherd
Date: Tuesday February 26, 2008
Time: 21:01:48 -0700

Comment

The above doesn't prove anything! It is open to different types of interpretation based on who you are, what you eat and how high you stayed in university among hundred other things.. "Have We not made the earth as a bed," What if I say that my bed is round? There is no proof in what you've brought forward. Thanks for all the hard work (typing words) - No cigar, no Nobel price for you logical thinker. By the way, change your name for Christ sake!


Name: M.ROUHAN.F
Date: Wednesday February 27, 2008
Time: 09:46:13 -0700

Comment

"we have made earth carpet" is the correct translation and not bed and carpet can also be spread round 2)if we take it as bed, it simply means resting place.3)it is mentioned in quran that earth is like ostrich egg.


Name: For German Shepherd
Date: Saturday March 01, 2008
Time: 06:43:30 -0700

Comment

If you read the whole article, all the proof is there that you need.


Name: Earth is not like an ostrich egg
Date: Saturday March 01, 2008
Time: 15:59:38 -0700

Comment

Earth is NOT like an ostrich egg. This is the best that someone has tried to translate a verse, which is highly contentious. Also, the stars are mentioned as lamps hanging in the sky. How can one say that it's describing galaxies. Again, for Solar Apex, stars should also be described as moving and gravitationally attracted. Quran has got this completely wrong.


Name: Unnamed
Date: Monday March 10, 2008
Time: 01:09:24 -0700

Comment

Sura Al-Kahf (18:47) "And (remember) the Day We shall cause the mountains to pass away (like clouds of dust), and you will see the earth as a levelled plain, and we shall gather them all together so as to leave not one of them behind." You do realise this verse is about Judgement Day right. And Then everyone will be resurected and there will be nothing in your way exept for people and by "levelled plain" It means itll reach further than the human eye can see.


Name: on the contrary it prooves earth is spherical
Date: Sunday May 04, 2008
Time: 05:22:22 -0700

Comment

...wat type of article????.....no wher in the article can one sense of earth being flat...huh\


Name: you convinced me
Date: Saturday May 10, 2008
Time: 02:09:28 -0700

Comment

i am going to be an apostate soon after reading this article :-) For irony challenged: How long you took to come up with this boring crap?


Name: Regular Muslim
Date: Friday July 04, 2008
Time: 02:52:39 -0700

Comment

lost about 1.5 hour, nothing new...same story...My advise to you- dont spend your time and money- Sura[8:36] Those who disbelieve spend their money to repel others from the way of GOD. They will spend it, then it will turn into sorrow and remorse for them. Ultimately, they will be defeated, and all disbelievers will be summoned to Hell.


Name: liam
Date: Monday July 07, 2008
Time: 14:36:03 -0700

Comment

if says in the qur'an somewhere that the planets revolve


Name: Knacky Kloj
Date: Tuesday July 08, 2008
Time: 05:06:02 -0700

Comment

Dear Logical Thinker ( Stupid More Than Ever). Nice to see your article. You mentioned different verses of Quran with reference. But dear, all you wrote, shows that you have taken these verses from English Transalation only. You are not familiar with Arabic, even you haven't learnt the Alphabets of Arabic. All you wrote is what your right is but what all you wrote is not absolutely right. Kindly use your great mind to Find Allah and try to get His message, your will really celebrate your success with great harmony and spiritual wondering. At last, if you say that Quran describes that, earth is flat, then tell me that where the spherical model of globe came from and how the satellite snaps the earth as a sphere. kindly review your thoughts, and your mind is one of the ways to get the truth and your heart will testify it. Thanks. Reply to xklojx<at>gmail<dot>com.


Name: lol
Date: Thursday July 17, 2008
Time: 23:43:46 -0700

Comment

none of these verses tell that the earth is flat,, the writer is retarded..blaaahhh,,,


Name: M.ROUHAN.F (a true muslim)
Date: Tuesday July 22, 2008
Time: 09:34:46 -0700

Comment

The word used in quran to describe shape of earth is "dahaha" which is derived from 'duhiya' meaning ostrish egg. Quran doesnot say earth is exactly like egg but something which resembles ostrich egg(not egg of hen or any other animal) as mentioned above 'dahaha' is derived from 'duhiya' and does not exactry mean like ostrich egg. 2) As far as ostrich egg is conserned it is compleatly different from egg of hen. Ostrich egg is much flatter at poles than egg of hen.


Name: Someone
Date: Sunday August 10, 2008
Time: 06:06:07 -0700

Comment

The writer doesnt see the 999 open doors, but he sees the one closed.Allah claims us that he created the earth as geoit in Quran.Doesnt he see it? I think he should write the wrestling of Jacob and God in the bible?In that wrestling god loses...Keep going writer!


Name: NOT ENOUGH EVIDENCE
Date: Wednesday August 27, 2008
Time: 23:14:59 -0700

Comment

WHERE DOES THE QUR'AN "CLEARLY STATE" THE EARTH IS FLAT? You are just manipulating a few references from the Qur'an. These verses you have mentioned can be interpreted so many different ways. May Allah remove hatred from your heart.


Name: Md.Hasan Shahariar SHAON
Date: Thursday September 11, 2008
Time: 04:01:47 -0700

Comment

I have come to agree with the author of the article. You guys like to manufacture verses to suit your twisted logic. Here is verse 90 from Sura Al-Kahf "Until, when he came to the rising place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We (Allâh) had provided no shelter against the sun.". This verse would not be applicable to a spherical model as there would be no such thing as a particular place being closest to the point of sunrise. Allah clearly thought the sun was coming out of the ground and there were a people who were not protected from the heat of the sun living close by to where the sun was rising from. To hide one lie, one has to cover up 1000 lies. I am afraid, I don't accept any of your illogical arguments, they just wouldn't stand up to any scientific analysis. Angels, Gins, Satans etc are all clever imaginary objects that can never be proved but stupid idiots will happily accept without any questions. We are living in the 21st century and understand alot more things than what people understood 1400 years ago. I urge all readers to read Sura Al-kahf and you will see that all the verses are supporting the pre-Galileo (flat earth) belief.


Name: youtube.com/lahoucine66
Date: Saturday September 13, 2008
Time: 17:25:21 -0700

Comment

in this verse in the quran يُكَوِّرُ اللَّيْلَ عَلَى النَّهَارِ وَيُكَوِّرُ النَّهَارَ عَلَى اللَّيْلِ 39.05 "He makes the Night overlap the Day, and the Day overlap the Night" it is obvious the earth is like a ball .the verb يُكَوِّرُ means roll up /coil up , but no translater translated that verb as it should be .all of them used the verbs : the Night overlap the Day/the day returneth upon the night/clothes the day with night /night to succeed day


 
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