The Value of Human Life in Islam

by Abu Taleb

22 Apr, 2008

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Name:
Date: Tuesday April 22, 2008
Time: 01:39:12 -0700

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Humans are mechandise in Islam and this is true even in recent days. Parents sell their children into forced marriages or even to quran teachers who let them beg. There is no respect for human beings in islam, a relgion which teached from the beginning that humans are made by god from clot. The only objective is to make all people to slaves of Allah, brainless clot-zombies who are always prepared to kill non-muslims. And Allah deceives best.

Name: how much wud a hindu kidney be worth ???
Date: Tuesday April 22, 2008
Time: 04:12:19 -0700

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actually muslims can do a good bizness by simply asking hindsu to come to saudi arabia and sing hindu life is so cheap they can extract kidney or liver etc and this will be even cheaper and they can sell to muslim amn even cheaper.

Name: balam
Date: Tuesday April 22, 2008
Time: 05:46:44 -0700

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Christ taught that you can never put a price on human life but Mohammad on the contrary put varing prices on human life.He was ignorant enough not to Index link either.

Name: search the truth
Date: Tuesday April 22, 2008
Time: 08:34:02 -0700

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Muhammad is the biggest manipulator in whole world hisotry!!

Name:
Date: Tuesday April 22, 2008
Time: 09:13:04 -0700

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Reading this tell me what 'low' thinking muslims have. Is n't all life valuable?. I don't discriminate people based on their religion. I think all life is valuable. I did not need a religion to teach me this. Yet this proves that Islam as a religion is very crude. People in the West are far more compationate, in fact many countries have free health care, housing education and help for the poor. Even though the Koran says you should do charity, the countries in the West have exceeded the standard set in the Koran. In Muslim countries such social care is non-existent and left to individuals. You don't need Islam to be a compationate and loving country.

Name: Allat
Date: Tuesday April 22, 2008
Time: 09:24:44 -0700

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What's a magian? Is that the same as a Magi? I think Magi is short for magician. As re. magicians, in case you don't know, there were a great many Wisdom Schools in that area, and stretching from Pritain to even China. The Masters were called Magicians by the regular people- those who did not want to enter such schools and do hard work ( long hours of prayer, meditation to work Energy and Consciousness, AND then physical labor to have the schools self-supporting). Yeshua ben Joseph was such a Master. Magic = Quantum Physics.

Name: Blood Money
Date: Tuesday April 22, 2008
Time: 11:14:07 -0700

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Another aspect is that rich people can pay while poor people can´t.

Name: ZuK
Date: Tuesday April 22, 2008
Time: 11:46:56 -0700

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Hi, Abu Taleb. I wonder if these are the kind of quranic truths that were told by another poster of this forum to be "valid for every time and place."

Name: The Prophet Mohammed
Date: Tuesday April 22, 2008
Time: 13:17:38 -0700

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It is not strange actually that Mohammed placed a price on everything since he was a merchant thanks to a woman's generosity whom he later married so that everything she owned would be his. Mushamedans can even tell you how much your deeds are worth in the afterlife. They can actually work out what their reward will be! Mohammed united an ignorant idlol worshiping people under one banner by force and justified his actions by stating that he was doing G-d's will. A G-d he learnt about from the jews and Christians through his trading.

Name: The Prophet Mohammed
Date: Tuesday April 22, 2008
Time: 13:26:30 -0700

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It is no surprise that everything has a price in the Mohamedan cult since its founder was a merchant. He united an idol worshiping ignorant people under one banner claiming that G-d revealed him/herself to him; a G-d he learnt about from the Jews and Christians whilst he was trading. I suppose through his teachings he could be refered to as the anti-Christ due to his teaching of violence as opposed to that of Jesus.

Name: The Prophet Mohammed
Date: Tuesday April 22, 2008
Time: 13:26:46 -0700

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It is no surprise that everything has a price in the Mohamedan cult since its founder was a merchant. He united an idol worshiping ignorant people under one banner claiming that G-d revealed him/herself to him; a G-d he learnt about from the Jews and Christians whilst he was trading. I suppose through his teachings he could be refered to as the anti-Christ due to his teaching of violence as opposed to that of Jesus.

Name: The whole islamic concept is wrong ...
Date: Tuesday April 22, 2008
Time: 13:50:46 -0700

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... because it depends almost completely on divine revealation. Perhaps most Muslims will say: That´s great, isn´t it? However, it is not because it means that their whole life depends on holy scriptures, and nobody ever tries to think about it. That´s why there is no meaningful theology or philosophy in islam, no science and no secular law and, last but not least, no progress. And if we study the comments made by muslims at this forum, we can verify how underdeveloped their thinking is. They always refer to the quran, sometimes to other holy texts, but very often there is no logic behind their arguments. To some regards, they are no humans because they do not think like humans. Instead of using their brains they always look what is written in the quran.

Name: Abu Taleb
Date: Tuesday April 22, 2008
Time: 14:26:10 -0700

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Maybe, the custom of paying blood money comes from the old Arab tradition, the victim's family has a choice of asking for the life's of the killer or receiving some money for compensation. But Islam has made certain people's lives more valuable than the others which is disgusting. There is a verse in Quran which says something like man's life for man's life, woman's for woman's and slave's for slave's. So a free man can not pay using his life if he kills a slave. A muslim can not also pay using his life if he kills a non muslim, it is clearly states in hadiths and shariah law. It is discriminating and disregards human life.

Name: ZuK
Date: Tuesday April 22, 2008
Time: 15:00:40 -0700

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Actually, guys... what the HECK are we discussing? Some allegedly divine morals of some 7th century Arab thiefs? Tribal costumes? Are we into anthropology, or what? This line of thinking has no place in the modern world, no matter how you look at it, and can be discussed only out of historical and sociological interest. The mere idea that these ideas of blood money have the right to have ANY place in our dealings with justice is preposterous, and that's the kind of discussion Islamists drag us once and over again - into the muddy waters of their mindframe. Enough! Blood money might have worked for some primitive societies - and that's it. It's not a matter of how much is my Christian neighbor worth - it is the whole concept that is barbaric and out-of-date.

Name: MA Khan ---> Allat
Date: Tuesday April 22, 2008
Time: 17:00:24 -0700

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Magians in Islam means the Zoroastrians, who were the dominant people in Persia at the time of founding Islam. If I am not wrong, the Magi may be related to Magians in that those three wise men, known as the Magi, allegedly travelled from Persia to Bethelheim to be there on the day of Jesus's birth.

Name: Stephanie
Date: Tuesday April 22, 2008
Time: 17:01:07 -0700

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Only if the muslim wants the blood money!!!!! is magians wiccans or pagens???? my dad is a wiccan

Name: Tony
Date: Tuesday April 22, 2008
Time: 20:09:07 -0700

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So who's worth more out of Sunni and Shia Muslims? In my opinion they're both worth one bucket of dog's vomit.

Name: Mohammad
Date: Tuesday April 22, 2008
Time: 21:56:33 -0700

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Islam's legal system was a vast improvement to the existing norms of the 7th century. Islamic law introduced the concept of blood money as a way of avoiding the capital punishment for murder, if allowed by the victim's family. Such an idea can be even applicable in today's world. The main objection as I see from the comments is that there is no moral justification for the differences in the blood money of Muslims and non-Muslims. This is a valid objection and one has to know that there is no quranic basis for such an injustice.

Name:
Date: Tuesday April 22, 2008
Time: 22:05:31 -0700

Comment

Blood -money? The brain-dead clot-zombies have reached the nadi of barbarianism! They call this the "religion of peace" ,while it is actually a cult of amorality and cruelity!

Name: Why are you complaining???
Date: Wednesday April 23, 2008
Time: 01:13:59 -0700

Comment

It´s plenty of money for a leech-like clot, isn´t it?

Name: Clot-Donors Wanted!!!
Date: Wednesday April 23, 2008
Time: 01:16:17 -0700

Comment

Allah is in a desperate need for some more suicide bombers!

Name: Clot-Money
Date: Wednesday April 23, 2008
Time: 01:19:57 -0700

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It must be called clot-money! Humans are not made from blood! They are made from clot! Read Surah 96, the first surah ever revealed to the whole mankind! We are made from clot! That´s why the clot-money for a killed muslim should equal the price of a good blood sausage!

Name:
Date: Wednesday April 23, 2008
Time: 01:40:22 -0700

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Saudi barbarianism does'nt surprise me at all. A dolt of an Arab with a pea-sized brain shrivelled by the drivel of the nasty trash of a book called 'quran' is 15 times more worthy than a hindu man and 30 times that of a hindu women??!! It is the hindu that is helping build the economy,infrastructure and industry in Saudi Arabia.These dolts can do nothing but dream of looting and raping in this world and carry on the same in their rotten ,vulgar paradise! Filthy as they are they don't deserve anything even in this world - these rascals,blackguards,but for their criminal activities are indolent muts!

Name: Abu Taleb
Date: Wednesday April 23, 2008
Time: 03:34:08 -0700

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Quran does make unequal treatment of human lifes as shown in 2:178 "O ye who believe! the law of equality is prescribed to you in cases of murder: the free for the free, the slave for the slave, the woman for the woman. ...". If not, why shariah law gives different value for human lifes based on religion and gender?

Name: Abu T alib[ fake name] you blind basket ball , know what you are barking at!!!
Date: Wednesday April 23, 2008
Time: 05:08:56 -0700

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Capital Punishment - A Faith Issue in -- An Islamic Perspective by Dr. Shahid Athar In the United States, 38 states have reinstituted capital punishment, and 3,000 prisoners are on death row. The homicide rate in 12 states which do not have capital punishment is higher than those who have it. Afro-Americans claim that in certain states, they receive an unduly higher proportion of the death penalty. To date in the U.S.A., 45 men have been executed, only to have their innocence proved later on. The fairness of implementation of death penalty laws from state to state is a major issue. Many defendants had neither adequate counsel, nor could they afford a private one during their trials. On the other hand, it is claimed that the rich and influential, black or white, can get away with the crime by hiring the most expensive trial lawyers. Although capital punishment has been around for thousands of years, its status has always MEen questioned. The human rights groups discuss whether or not it is legally sound, the law enforcement agencies argue whether or not it is useful and effective, and the Legislature discusses whether or not it is cost effective. However, it is hardly ever discussed as an issue of faith. We must consider capital punishment from the aspect of a giver of life and death. "He who created life and death, that He may test which of you is best in deed. He is the mighty, the forgiving." (Qur'an 67:2) N "No one can die except by God's permission, the terms being fixed as by writing." (Qur'an 3:145) Life is sacred. "Do not take the life which God has made sacred except in (the course of) justice." (Qur'an 6:151) Thus it is clear that the giver of life and death is God Himself alone, and anyone acting on His behalf must act according to His principles. "We decreed for the children of Israel that whosoever kills a human being for other than man's slaughter or corruption on earth, it would be as if he killed all mankind; and whosoever saves one life, it would be as if he had saved the life of mankind." (Qur'an 5:32) Capital punishment is mentioned in the Holy Qur'an as well as in the Old Testament as a form of retaliation (qisas). "And we prescribe for them therein the life for a life, the eye for the eye, the nose for the nose, the ear for the ear, the tooth for the tooth, and for wounds of retaliation. But whosoever forgives it (in the way of charity), it shall be expiation for him. Whosoever judges not by that which God has revealed, such as wrongdoers." (Qur'an 5:45). A similar verse is seen in the Old Testaëal (Exodus 21:23-25.) In the New Testament, the law of retaliation was omitted. "You have heard it said, an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, but I say to you, do not resist one who is evil but if anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also." (Matthew 5:38-39). However, these New Testament verses should be interpreted in the light of another of Jesus's statement, "Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets. I have come not to abolish them bðÿnto fulfill them." (Matthew 5:17). Capital punishment was prescribed in the Old Testament, not only in lieu of murder, but 18 other crimes also including adultery, blasphemy and homosexuality. In the Bible, the penalty is death for blasphemy. "When he blasphemeth in the name of the Lord, he shall be put to death." (Leviticus 24:16) Salman Rushdi, in those days, did not need a fatwa. Thus it is clear that Islam did not initiate the law of capital punishment; it was there in the Old Testament, and Islam added the concept of blood money, which was practiced by Arabs before the Qur'an was revealed. The concept of blood money can be compared with the modern concept of compensation to the victim or the wronged party. There are three crimes for which the death penalty is justified: (a) In lieu of an unjust and proven murder, life for life; (b) adultery (zina) committed by a married person, either confessed by him or her four times, or if the act is witnessed by four people; and aÂostasy from Islam after willingly accepting it, declaring an open revolt against Islam, threatening the solidarity of the Muslim community. The punishment for homicide in Islam could be either qisas (retaliation) or payment of diya (blood money). This is mentioned in Qur'an as the punishment for homicide as either killing of the murderer or payment of compensation to the next of kin if they do not insist on retaliation (qisas). Qur'an says, "O you who believe, retaliation is prescribed for youpin the matter of murder, the free man for the free man, the slave for the slave, the female for the female, but if any remission is met to him by his brother (brother in faith), then grant any reasonable demand and compensate him with handsome gratitude. This is an alleviation and mercy from your Lord, and whosoever transgresses after this for him, there will be a painful punishment. In qisas, there is life for you, for men of understanding, in order that you may become God conscious." (Qur'an 2:17 For accidental homicide, there is a different law mentioned. "Never should a believer kill a believer unless by mistake, and whoever kills a believer by mistake should free a believing slave and pay compensation to the family of the deceased, unless they remit it freely." (Qur'an 4:92). Thus, taking these verses together, it is clear that no qisas or retaliation is owed for accidental homicide, but compensation is allowed. Islam's emphasis on the sanctity of life extends not onlywhich it considers a living person. Thus, if a pregnant woman in the stage of viable pregnancy is injured, for example, by a thief to the extent that she aborts or delivers a dead fetus, the thief can be charged with murder of the fetus; and the law of qisas will apply unless the mother forgives him and accepts the blood money. Islamic laws are based on justice as one of the attributes of God Himself is Al-Adil ("The Just One"). Therefore, justice must b tapplied to those to who have done injustice. The main question is who should apply the justice. Certainly, it cannot be an individual taking the law into his own hands and applying capital punishment to the murderer. A Sharia court comprised of judges who are familiar and expert in the Islamic laws is the best authority. An Islamic judge, however, may turn the case over to the next of kin for a compassionate judgment. The secular justice system is a questionable authority in Islam. Most ofand justice system is flexible and changes according to public opinion. Islam is not a religion of individuals or public opinion. We are told in Qur'an that "It is not fitting for a believing man or believing woman to have an opinion in their affairs when God and His messenger have decided an affair for them. And whoever is rebellious to God and His messenger, has gone astray in an error manifest." (Qur'an 33:36). Islamic law of capital punishment cannot be hastily applieinvestigation and proof. Circumstantial evidence alone cannot be used to take away someone's life. Confession by the criminal himself four times is the best witness. However, other witnesses can be used by the court. The eye-witnesses should have known high moral quality and standing in the community. Usually two male witnesses or one male and two female witnesses are enough except in cases of adultery when four witnesses are required to make it more difficult for cðnviction. Once the capital punishment has been prescribed by the court of Sharia, it should be carried out in a public ceremony. The purpose is to give a lesson to the witnesses present as a reminder and as a deterrent. There should be no sympathy in their hearts or protest against a just, legal system, and the punishment prescribed for an evil crime, i.e., the bombing of the Oklahoma City Federal Building. There should be no public cheering or shouts of protest. The emphasis in Islam isonot on punishment itself but the reform of the criminal as well as a reminder to those who are witnesses to the punishment. We believe that after receiving the due punishment in this world, the murderer in the life hereafter will not be questioned about it, and will receive his due share of rewards for the good he might have done in this life. For this reason, before the administration of capital punishment, he is advised to perform the ritual prayer and pray to God for his forgiveness before he dep nts this world. The present capital punishment law in the U.S.A. varies from state to state, and it is claimed that it is more biased against Afro-Americans. To the contrary, Islamic law, if correctly applied, will be uniform in each state and will not discriminate against any race, color or gender. The Divine Justice and Wisdom cannot be compared to the ever-changing man-made laws. The rights of the criminal cannot be the same as those of the innocent victims and civilians. The latter cJustice seeks to protect innocent civilians from future crimes of the serial killer or rapist at large. The cost to keep him in is about $50,000 per year per person. However, life is priceless of the victims of the homicide as well as of legalized murder. *Presented at the Indiana University School of Law, Sunday, May 7. Dr. Athar, an Islamic speaker and writer, is the past President of the Islamic Society of Greater Indianapolis, and Co-Chair, Medical Ethics, Islamic Medical Association. The program was moderated by Professor Norman Lefstein, Dean, Indiana University School of Law.

Name: akhter
Date: Wednesday April 23, 2008
Time: 05:15:20 -0700

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A wonderful way to solve the problem, i wonder if these dummy heads who have been nodding their empty heads with the idiot who has written the crap called Abu Talib,have a better alternative than the Islamic? If you have then let it out.!!!!

Name: MT
Date: Wednesday April 23, 2008
Time: 05:31:57 -0700

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Everything in the quran is in direct opposition to the Bible. Greed versus generosity; Killing versus forgiving; Only those of your sect are humans versus all are of the same family (children of God). It is the source of the anti-Christ in both theologic and action based displays.

Name: Christian
Date: Wednesday April 23, 2008
Time: 06:28:42 -0700

Comment

The Norse also had blood money laws.

Name: akhter
Date: Wednesday April 23, 2008
Time: 10:47:50 -0700

Comment

If any of you have a better solution than what Islam is offering then put it on the table, other wise less of your bullshit.TALK, EMPTY TALK!!!

Name: Mehbub Singh
Date: Wednesday April 23, 2008
Time: 12:36:28 -0700

Comment

You missed the point because you are blinded by hatred for islam. This just shown that muslim jurisprudence has failed to evolve as the society has evolved. No wonder almost all muslim countries use western court system. Saudi Arabia and few others cling to "tradition". Pakistani rulers do it for their own gain. It is time for muslims to take another look at the legal system that their cleargy promote.

Name: TRUTH
Date: Wednesday April 23, 2008
Time: 14:04:33 -0700

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THIS WHOLE WEBSITE IS TARGETED TO MAKE MUSLIMS GO ON THE WRONG PATH BY MAKING THEM THINK ADULTERY IS OK WHEN IT NEVER IS...JUST REMEMBER YOU WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING THE WRONG THINGS ON THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT..THIS INCLUDES SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE and LOOKING AT SEX and BEFORE YOU JUDGE THIS COMMENT VISIT THIS SITE...http://www.soundvision.com/Info/life/porn/isporn.asp

Name: Abu Taleb
Date: Wednesday April 23, 2008
Time: 15:06:13 -0700

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Another lie by Islam daqwagandist "To the contrary, Islamic law, if correctly applied, will be uniform in each state and will not discriminate against any race, color or gender. ". It is clear from what I wrote that this very Islamic law, the "divine and wisdowm" justice, does discrimate against gender and religion. Is it the best solution of Islam by giving a woman half a value of a man and a non muslim's value 1/15 of a muslim? Well, clearly we have better alternative than the Islamic law.

Name: Mehbub Singh
Date: Wednesday April 23, 2008
Time: 15:18:48 -0700

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Dear Abu, You certainly are correct that there are better alternatives that conforms more to the modern time. This blood money gives advantage to the rich and makes mockery of justice except in a tribal society. Hrinder Singh Mehbub

Name: Mohammad to Abu Taleb
Date: Wednesday April 23, 2008
Time: 23:06:54 -0700

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It is worth mentioning that if the blood money is a way of convincing the victim's family to avoid the capital punishment, then a lower blood money will work against the murderer. It was also mentioned that this gives advantage to the rich over the poor. Such advantage exists even in the west where the rich can hire the best lawyers while the poor can't. Regarding 2:178, we should know that such a law is only applicable to a 7th century tribal society. If a tribe attacked another and killed a woman or a slave of that tribe, then the equality law would have required the offenders to give up a woman or a slave. This of course has no place in most parts of today's world.

Name: Abu Taleb
Date: Wednesday April 23, 2008
Time: 23:34:37 -0700

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So Quran is not "valid for every time and place" because 2:178 is not valid at present time, except in Saudi Arabia. Anyway, the lesser values of women and non mulims system has Quranic basis because 2:178 says so, eventhough it is not valid currently. So Mohammad, what you said the last time on this page completely the opposite of what you had said before on the same page and also on another page. Come on, can't you be consistent?

Name: to akhter
Date: Thursday April 24, 2008
Time: 06:01:51 -0700

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akhter...almost every solution is better than islam... try to meditate and maybe you will find some peace.

Name: to akhter
Date: Thursday April 24, 2008
Time: 06:04:24 -0700

Comment

akhter...almost every solution is better than islam...try to meditate and maybe you will find some peace.

Name: NIGARKHAN
Date: Thursday April 24, 2008
Time: 09:07:52 -0700

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Want to know why Islam is a dangerous cult? READ: http://shareefaaali.rediffiland.com/blogs/2007/10/30/What-is-Islam-.html (Copy & Paste the above link correctly, otherwise it may not open.) READ IT & FORWARD IT. Nigarkhan.

Name: moderationist
Date: Thursday April 24, 2008
Time: 09:49:41 -0700

Comment

Barbaric tribalistic societies do not value life

Name: akhter
Date: Thursday April 24, 2008
Time: 13:02:26 -0700

Comment

whatever, you have no better alternative than the Islamic option, if you have let every one see it, you may match it but can not better it ,and that is the fact!!!

Name: Abu Taher
Date: Thursday April 24, 2008
Time: 15:21:49 -0700

Comment

So, according to akhter and other Islamists, the law which gives a muslim's life somewhere between 2 and 30 times of a non muslim's life is the best option for human kind. Ladies and gentlemen, I rest my case.

Name: Ananda
Date: Thursday April 24, 2008
Time: 22:49:55 -0700

Comment

Islamic Law, if correctly applied as laid down by Allah, will humiliate and/or destroy Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, and Sikhs - after exploiting them (by extracting Zizya tax) and reducing them to a semi-slavery status. The application of Islamic law killed more than 50 million Hindus in India. This idiot goof-ball Mehboob Singh, if he is a sikh and not a camouflaged Islamist, should know how Sikhs and their gurus were killed by the Muslims. It is estimated that worldwide Muslims killed more than 200 million non-Muslims to satisfy the agenda laid down by Allah and Muhammad. Because they were obeying their god & prophet in doing these killings, the Muslims don't feel any remorse and not o0nly don't apologize - they lecture how great Allah is and they are victims. Unfortunately for Muslims, Allah and Muhammad are exposed as monsters. No amount of whitewashing can change that ever. Brave Islamist Abu Taleb wants us to "correctly apply" Islamic law. A better idea is to ban Koran and Mosques and outlaw Islam.

Name: BOB
Date: Friday April 25, 2008
Time: 02:46:05 -0700

Comment

akhter...fact is that you are stupid. Have ever read any other book than koran?? Don't think so.

Name: Mohammad to Abu Taleb
Date: Saturday April 26, 2008
Time: 22:01:05 -0700

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I don't see how 2:178 implies that a women or non-muslim's life is worth less than that of a muslim male. I did not claim that Quran is for all times or it is not. I said the ruling given in 2:178 is specifically used in tribal wars and falls into the category of laws of retaliation. If Canada attacks the US tomorrow and kills 100 US citizens, would the US not retaliate? Osama killed 3000 americans and the US retaliated by invading two countries. Half a million Iraqis are dead, cities are bombed, etc because of 9/11. Hizbullah kidnapped two Israeli soldiers, Israel destroyed the south of Lebanon and killed at least 1000 innocent people. Isn't this more barbaric than what you guys are condemning? Islam allows retaliating but a man for a man, a woman for a woman, a slave for a slave. This is the justice that Islam stands for. You close your eyes to the atrocities perpetrated by the big powers in the world and call Muslims of 7th century barbaric for being accurate in their retaliation. Who really does not value human life when you consider thousands of innocent people 'collateral damage'?

Name: Abu Taleb
Date: Sunday April 27, 2008
Time: 15:10:44 -0700

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2:178 says a man's life for a man's life, a woman's for a woman's and a slave's for a slave's. That means if a free man kills a slave or a woman, the man can not be killed for the retaliation because 2:178 doesn't say so. It is clear in sharia that a muslim won't be killed if he kills a non muslim while the opposite is not applicable, a non muslim must be killed if s/he kills a muslim. It this your perfect law? If you try to make useless defence by blaming the Israel or the US, I can talk about what your prophet and the rest of the muslims did for the sake of Allah and the prophet. Your prophet killed and enslaved the whole Quraitha tribe while no muslim's blood spilled by any member of the tribe. Your prophet intended to kill all of Qainuqa tribe while no muslim was killed. And how about the attack on banu Mustaqin followed by rape and loot? How about the attacks on Persia, Byzantium, India etc where, in each case, there had been no muslim killed before the muslims attacked those countries. If you blamed Israel or the US for attacking Palestine or Afghanistan, then you should also blame your prophet, your truely guided khalifahs and the rest of the muslim leaders, including your last khilafah, the Ottoman empire which butchered millions of people.

Name: Thomas Justin Kaze
Date: Tuesday April 29, 2008
Time: 00:42:56 -0700

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Value of a Muslim life (Some of you may remember it from the Comments to Daniel Pipes’ blog, back in 2006, somewhat censored if not plainly mutilated by the politically correct author – no, I do not write any more pronouncements to his blogs.) How precious is human life, according to Muslims? Not very precious really, unless you dedicate it to Allah alone. If you stay at home, pray, fast and refrain from killing infidels, Allah will not be very pleased with you and, as a consequence, will roast you in the eternal fire for not imitating his schizophrenic prophet. When there are no infidels to kill and all the Muslim factions and sects kill one another (and I am not referring here to the “collateral damage”, it hardly gets reported; pious Muslims behead an infidel or another, not pious enough, Muslim for allegedly co-operating with the infidel (Crusader) invaders, and there is no Muslim outrage, even though such “religious” behavior may – and does – present Islam in a definitely bad light. A Muslim militant is killed before he can blow himself up in the midst of an infidel crowd – ah, that is an entirely different story: “An innocent (sic) civilian murdered (sic) – Muslims swear revenge; Allah will reward him in paradise.” A few years back, a 12 years old Arab boy was shot and killed by Palestinian gunmen in Nablus, during a skirmish between Israelis and Arabs – here is how the Arab media reported it: “The child’s family, Fatah loyalists, refused to condemn the militants: ‘Some unknown men fired, and as unintentional result, the boy was hit’, said the boy’s uncle.” There was no Muslim outrage; it made me wonder why the Arab media did not blame Jews for the boy’s death – knowing their propaganda, they could. Also in the Middle East, by demanding the release of 800 or so Islamic terrorists in exchange for 2 (two) kidnapped Israeli soldiers, Muslims clearly admitted that one Israeli life was worth 400 Muslim lives – something I have always considered logical; fair enough, my estimates were actually much higher. Apparently Muslims do not value their (or anybody else’s) lives very highly; as for the worthlessness of their own lives, I could not but agree with them. Now, the case of the “mistaken identity” – I have no problem with that, either: Muslims murder infidels indiscriminately, “wherever they find them” – as long as the victims are non-Muslim, Allah’u akbar. There are no innocent infidels. On the other hand, all Muslims are innocent, even if they have murdered hundreds of infidels or other Muslims, who had not worshipped Allah well enough. Allah’u akbar of course, there rolls another head. All innocents (Muslims that is) go to paradise. I can almost see an innocent infidel going to the Islamic whorehouse and enjoying the 72 whores, pearly boys, sharab and all, maybe even halal pork. Sure, they have got the wrong infidel – but Allah says no problem. But what if we get the “wrong” Muslim? (Long live the collective responsibility!) Just tune to CAIR and listen to their ranting, their profiling, their cries of racism and Islamophobia! Now, in the name of Allah-shmallah, not only the US of Arms but the whole world MUST become Islamic, or else the poor, victimized and misunderstood Muslims will feel offended and continue their hopeless Jihad against us and cry racism and what-not, if we do not let them win – and we will not, that they better know. We are at war, a war that we have not started. The September 11 attacks have proven, once and for all, that it is not some ambiguous “terrorism” that we are confronting – it is Islam with its Jihad notion (Islamic power, Islamic victory, Islamic triumphalism, Islamic immigration, Islamic invasion, Islamic conquest by rapid procreation, Islamic demands, Islamic threats etc.) Now it is clear for all the world to see that it is not the Jews, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists or Atheists who are our sworn enemies – it is Muslims, the Mohammedan curse; all the others just want to live in peace... Only that the word “peace” has one meaning for us and an entirely different one to the Muslim scum; the Mohammedan cult of death will never stop or give up, until it has subdued the free world or has itself been dispatched into oblivion. If we continue this stupid policy of multiculturalism and appeasement, if we continue to live in fear of offending the greatest offender, we will become history and we will have nobody but ourselves to blame. To them, human life has no value – a Muslim’s life or, even less, an infidel’s life. All the Muslims want is to die in Allah’s cause, if they cannot wipe us infidels off the planet. Since we want to live as much as they want to die, let us facilitate it for them by sending them back to hell, where they belong. They think they will end up in their Islamic paradise whether they win or lose; we cannot be sure where we end up when we lose. Hitler and Stalin have tried similar strategies, and failed; we can win this war, too, if we do not procrastinate for to long before using the extreme force and the extreme prejudice – the same extreme force and prejudice that Muslims are using against us in the name of their blood-thirsty, non-existent deity and its self-proclaimed, paranoid prophet who cleansed his anus with stones after defecation and used desert sand for ablution. When Muslim immigrants wish to enter our (free) countries under whatever false pretences, let us ask them politely to leave Islam outside, just like they leave their soiled shoes outside their mosques. We have but a little choice: to tolerate their intolerance and let them have their way with us, or wipe them out entirely and live in peace for another five hundred years or so, until another insane prophet comes and calls himself Muhammad or Mahdi. Oh, and one more thing: with all those anti-Western, anti-Jewish, anti-Christian, anti-Atheist and anti-democratic Muslim parties and organizations, can we have at least one legal anti-Islamic party or organization? If not, why not – please explain. T. Justin Kaze

Name: ha ha ha ....
Date: Thursday May 01, 2008
Time: 03:05:06 -0700

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If you're very very rich, you can bring money to Arab and start killing people there. You don't have to be afraid of law punishment, because after you kill someone, you can pay blood-money to his/her family. I suggest you to hunt them and kill them and pay blood-money afterwards. Make it like a game to amuse yourself. After all, your money was spent for your amusement.

Name: to: Thomas Justin Kaze
Date: Friday May 02, 2008
Time: 04:12:32 -0700

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The best way is to nuke Makkah and Medina, so both city cannot be occupied for thousand of years. No Hajj pilgrimage, no ziarah to the tomb of Mo, it will make Moslem in despair, since there is no Qiblah anymore.

Name: to: challenge to all infidels from akhter
Date: Monday May 05, 2008
Time: 03:44:13 -0700

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I am an infidel. To make a verse like that, just watch an xxx movie. Many sentences can be made in such a movie. I can think of one sentence: "Akhter, you can f*ck your own mother, your sisters, your daughters in laws, nine year old girls who is still playing with their dolls, and with any women who offer herself to you. You can have it a twosome way, threesome way, and foursome way, anytime that suits best to you. You can also play with them missionary style, doggy style, or any style that comes to your mind." I think the sentence is far more better than your verse.