Islam Under Scrutiny by Ex-Muslims

The Left and Fitna

FrontPageMagazine.com on April 09, 2008

Frontpage Interview’s guest today is Abul Kasem, an ex-Muslim who is the author of hundreds of articles and several books on Islam including, Women in Islam. He was a contributor to the book Leaving Islam – Apostates Speak Out as well as to Beyond Jihad: Critical Views From Inside Islam. His e-mail address is nirribilli@gmail.com.

FP: Abul Kasem, welcome back to Frontpage Interview.

Kasem: Thank you Jamie.

FP: I would like to talk to you today about your thoughts on the film Fitna and the Left’s response to it – especially in the context of how Geert Wilders is being denounced for being truthful about the connection between Islamic theology and Islamic terror.

First, tell us what you think of the new film.

Kasem: I think Fitna is done very cleverly. It lays the full blame of Islamic atrocities to the fount of Islam, the Koran. Anyone viewing this short movie will have no doubt that the Islamist terrorism is the result of the Koran in action. Geert Wilders has demonstrated very precisely what has plagued the world for many years and why the Jihadists are doing what they are doing.

FP: Analyze for us the format that Wilders uses.

Kasem: Wilders uses only five verses of the Koran to demonstrate the potential danger of Islam to a civilised world. These verses are (note the comments by eminent Koran scholars):

8:60 The Muslims should muster all their power and might, including steeds of war (tanks, planes, missiles…) to strike terror in the hearts of the unbelievers (by killing them—ibn Abbas).

47:4 When the believers meet the unbelievers they should smite at unbelievers’ necks (when you fight against them, cut them down totally with your swords—ibn Kathir).

8:39 Fight until there are no more unbelievers (non-Muslims) and tumult (this verse overrides all other verses on fighting the infidels, including the Jews and the Christians); if they accept Islam then leave them alone.

4:56 Unbelievers will be cast in fire, their skins roasted often, skins changed often for more roasting (the skin will be roasted seventy thousand time every day; the new skin will be as white as paper—ibn Kathir).

4:89 Seize and slay the renegades (i.e., apostates of Islam) wherever you find them. (Maududi 4/118: This is the verdict on those hypocritical confessors of faith who belong to a belligerent, non-Muslim nation and actually participate in acts of hostility against the Islamic state).

It is clear Greet Wilders did not present anything original. He merely re-stated the contents of the Koran, forcefully depicting, with true pictures, those verses in action.

FP: So if this is what the Qur’an says, then why would Muslims or anyone else be upset about the movie’s message?

Kasem: The Islamic Ummah is now furious why an infidel would portray the true color of Islam. In this chorus of peaceful Islam, Ban Ki-moon, the Secretary General of the United Nations, has also joined in. Predictably, the peaceful Islam promptly issued the threat of murder of Geert Wilders and the employees of Live Leak, the website that hosted the premiere. It temporarily off-loaded Fitna to protect the lives of its employees. These are just mundane jobs of Islam—the standard practices, the world is now so used to these peaceful acts of Islam that they [these threats] do not at all surprise anyone.

Despite the threats, this short movie by Geert Wilders is spreading like wild-fire. I knew this truth when my wife was so eager to watch this film. She watched it at Google and was stunned at what she read and saw. When an ordinary house-wife becomes so enthusiastic about the ‘true’, ‘peaceful’ Islam then it must be an unusual event.

So, why the world’s political leaders (including Ban Ki-moon) could not find what a simple-minded, average, unsophisticated, uninformed (in Islam) housewife could so easily trace?

Amazingly, when every word, every picture in Fitna was corroborated with verses from the Koran, these world-leaders never mention the word Koran, instead, they blame the producer of the movie for inciting hate. How strange: the Koran preaches the hate, murder, genocide, but when the un-Islamic world quotes those verses, it is not the Koran that preaches the annihilation of the non-Islamic world; it is the fault of the un-Islamic world—why must they quote those verses?

This defies logic. These same world-leaders will keep their mouths shut when jihadists use many similar verses to justify the complete annihilation of the un-Islamic world.

FP: What are some other teachings that inspire jihadis to wage terror?

Kasem: There are many verses which bin Ladin and his ilk use to perpetrate terror and slaughter on infidels and on not-so-good Muslims. Here are a few:

2:156 Everything belongs to Allah, and everyone will return to Him.

3:75 Some people of the Book can be trusted with money; some cannot be trusted.

We might wonder why bin Ladin uses this verse. Let us read the context:

A man asked Ibn 'Abbas, "During battle, we capture some property belonging to Ahl Adh-Dhimmah, such as chickens and sheep.'' Ibn 'Abbas said, "What do you do in this case'' The man said, "We say that there is no sin if we confiscate them in this case.'' He said, "That is what the People of the Book said, that is, there is no blame on us to betray and take the properties of the illiterates (Arabs)—ibn Kathir.

3:103 Islam will draw together former enemies; do not practice sectarianism (Osama b. Ladin uses this verse and 61:4 to unite the Islamist jihadists).

4:52 None can help whom Allah has cursed.

9:14 Allah fights the pagans in the hand of Muhammad (i.e., God kills the unbelievers by the hands of the Muslims. It is more humiliating for the disbelievers and more comforting for the hearts of the believers that the believers kill the unbelievers with their own hands—ibn Kathir, ibn Abbas, Jalalyn). Fight them and cover them with shame (this verse applies to all Muslims, they must kill non-Muslims with their own hands—ibn Kathir).

61:4 Allah loves those who fight, like a brick wall, His cause. (Osama bin Ladin uses this verse to unite the Islamist jihadists).

JMB [Jamiatul Mujahidin Bangladesh], used the following verses to justify their Islamic bombing and killing of Bangladesh’s not-so-good Muslims:

4:76 Believers fight for Allah; unbelievers fight for evil, so fight against the friends of Satan.

We might think this (JMB) outfit misinterprets the Koran. Let us read what a modern Islamist, Maulana Maududi has to say:

This lays down a clear verdict of God. To fight in the cause of God in order that His religion is established on earth is the task of men of faith, and whoever truly believes can never shirk this duty. To fight in the cause of taghut (authority in defiance of God) in order that the world may be governed by rebels against God is the task of unbelievers in which no believer can engage himself (Tafheem ul Qur'an, commentary number 4/105).

4:71 Go forth to fight alone or in parties all together. (This means one raiding party followed by the next; or move forward all together, in one assembly—Jalalyn).

Note that these two jihdi organisations are using quite different verses. What this means is that there are many hateful, savage, barbaric and blood-curdling verses in the Koran; anyone can pick at random to legitimise his slaughter operation.

Here are a few more verses from the Koran and their exegeses by eminent Islamic scholars. These verses entice the Islamist jihadists that they must kill non-Muslim with their own hands; they must not wait for Allah’s punishment.

8:10 By sending angels (in Badr), Allah put Muhammad’s heart at rest. (It is more humiliating for the disbelievers and more comforting for the hearts of the believers that the believers kill the unbelievers with their own hands—ibn Kathir).

8:12 Strike terror in the hearts of the unbelievers. (Allah will cast fear, disgrace and humiliation over those who defied his command and denied Muhammad—ibn Kathir); smite the unbelievers at their necks (i.e., behead the unbelievers—ibn Kathir) and cut off their fingers (cut off their heads, limbs, hands and feet—ibn Kathir. Terror means fear of Muhammad and his companions—ibn Abbas).

Why is it that the Ummah , the Islamic scholars, the Dhimmi world (including the UN) remain silent when the Islamist killers use those verses to defend their mayhem?

Whose fault is it—the jihadists’ or the Koran?

Even when an ordinary house-wife had no doubt what is the root cause of all these Islamist terrorism, why must the world leaders pretend not to face the reality? Why must they act so cowardly? Why must they gratify Islam, when Islam wants to burn the entire world?

The world might want peace, but Islam does not. It wants to completely destroy the un-Islam, and declare the victory of Islam. So why must we not face the truth? Why must we please Islam? Does the world owe Islam a living?


FP: So what is your answer here?

Kasem: My answer is very simple: the Islamist terrorism emanates straight from the founts of Islam: the Koran, ahadith sira and sharia. The Jihadists are just acting according what these sources have commanded them to do. It is just unfair and straight cowardly to blame Geert Wilders and other critics of Islam who point out this truth. The UN must denounce these sources of Islam. If the UN is hesitant or not willing to do this, we do not need such a spineless organization.

FP: Wait, what I was trying to get at is the psychology of the Left here. I am asking about those in the West who blame Geert Wilders and other critics of Islam who point out the truth about Islam. Why does the UN, for instance, not denounce these sources of Islam? What sense, for instance, does it make to get upset about the exposé of female genital mutilation in the Islamic world and the Islamic theology that upholds it? One would think a humanitarian person would be more upset about the reality of female genital mutilation and try to defend its future potential victims, rather than get upset about its exposé? What is the mindset here?

Kasem: The westerners trying to defend Islamic barbarism are simply ignorant about the true nature of Islam. For too long they have been fed with the idea that Islam is a religion, just like any other religion, such as Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc. Their logic is this: the Old Testament, the Vedas also has murderous verses and barbaric provisions, so why blame Islam only? These westerners simply forget that, except for Islam, all other religions’ potency has expired. There is no country ruled by the biblical laws. Ditto for Hinduism. But Islam is forever. There are 57 Islamic countries who form the OIC (Organisation of Islamic Conference), and who dearly believe and strive to subject the entire world to Islamic rule.

Thus the western politicians are caught in a quagmire. They dare not criticise Islam, lest they offend these 57 Islamic countries (OIC), and because the un-Islamic world, the western world, does not denounce Islam, the Islamic world feels encouraged to propagate Islam vigorously. The UN has fallen into this trap and it therefore not only has just a lackadaisical attitude towards Islam, but a loving relationship with Islam.

FP: What role does oil play?

Kasem: Oil money is definitely another important element in this game of hide-and-seek with Islam. Many western countries sell modern arms to the Arabic/Islamic world in exchange for oil money. Thus, it will be inappropriate to criticise Islam if these western countries want to secure the lucrative arms deals. To these political leaders trade/money is more important to the western world than the damaging effect Islam.

FP: I mentioned FGM earlier. Your thoughts?

Kasem: On the FGM issue, it is simply astonishing that the UN, the Women’s Rights organisation, the Human rights Organisation just do lip service to eradicate this savage procedure. These organisations often consider FGM as a cultural issue rather than religious. But they are wrong. We have irrefutable proof that Islamic law, Sharia supports male and female circumcision. Why is it so difficult to admit this truth and blame Islam? Further, even if it is culture, why must the civilised world tolerate such inhuman, barbaric cultural practice? In many cultures there was/is also the practice of human sacrifice. Should a civilised world accept such a custom, just because it is cultural? I only wished the UN and the Women’s rights organisation provide good answers for their silence on FGM.

FP: At the moment, aside from some demonstrations in Pakistan, the reaction to Fitna in the Muslim world appears to be pretty muted. Right? How come?

Kasem: The Islamists are very clever. They know rather well that denouncing Fitna is tantamount to denouncing the Koran. That is why Geert Wilder was quite smart to directly link the Koran with the global violence of Islam.

How could the Islamists denounce Fitna when every picture in the movie is solidly backed up from the Koranic verse? How could they simply dismiss those verses as fabrication and half-truth or no truth?

We should also consider the current situation as the calm before the storm. This has happened during the first saga of Muhammad's cartoon. It took a quite a long time before we saw the wave of violent protests around the Islamic world. Ditto for the second cartoon saga. Give a few more weeks/months, we might see the fury of Islam, as it rages across the globe. This is 'peaceful' Islam, in theory and in action. Geert Wilder's transgression of Islam will not go unpunished. Islam will not let him live in peace.

 

FP: Abul Kasem, thank you for joining us.

Kasem: Thank you for joining us.

 

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Abul Kasem is an Bengali ex-Muslim and academic. He has contributed in Leaving Islam - Apostates Speak Out and Beyond Jihad - Critical Voices from Inside. He has also written extensively on Islam in various websites and is the author of five e-Books: A Complete Guide to Allah, Root of Terrorism ala Islamic Style, Sex and Sexuality in Islam, Who Authored the Quran? and Women in Islam. Mr. Kasem leaves in Sydney, Australia. He can be contacted at abul88@hotmail.com.


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Name: ZuK
Date: Wednesday April 09, 2008
Time: 16:07:28 -0700
 

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I liked this one: "6) Because Beethoven and Baach were also influenced by Turkish and Muslim music (during the siege of Vienna and the interaction with the Ottomans), perhaps Mr. Wilders should ban music from the greatest musicians of our time and eliminate “symbols” and drums from all music because they were originally invented by Muslims. I would love to see Mr. Wilders facial expressions when he hears Beethoven’s 9th symphony “A la Turka”. Flemenca dancing is also of Muslim and Arab origins, so Mr. Wilder should ban it in the Netherlands.Fleminca dancing is also of Muslim and Arab origins, so Mr. Wilder should ban it in the Netherlands Flemenca dancing is also of Muslim and Arab origins, so Mr. Wilder should ban it in the Netherlands." --- First, it is just Bach, not Baach or Baaaaaaach. Second, it's "Flamenco", not "Flaminca" and not "Flamingo." Third, the composers mentioned were not "influenced" - simply, since little before Mozart's time, European music incorporated elements of the music of the Turkish military bands, and called it "Janissary Music." It was used for colorful effect, f. ex. in Mozart's 5th. violin concerto. This Janissary music didn't fulfill any structural function - as I said, it was a note of color. Big accomplishment. Fourth, this music didn't have anything intrinsically Muslim to it - it was part of a preexisting Turkish-Persian rich musical tradition which, as is the case of the North African-Berber substrat of Flamenco music, was heavily permeated by the Gypsy influence. Islam, if anything, did REPRESS musical expression among these peoples, not encourage and elevate them to a transcendental form of art, as Beethoven, in the last movement of his Choral Symphony, did. Actually, NOBODY WOULD EVER REMEMBER JANISSARY MUSIC if it were not by Mozart, Beethoven and other geniuses alike!!! As for the Flamenco, as I said, it certainly had as much Arabic elements as it had of Bereberisc and Gypsy (which in turn carried an old Northern Indian musical tradition)... what was the role of Islam in all this? ah, yeah, here it is: ALL the four schools of law decree that music is HARAM. Here we go, my friend. Go f*ck yourself and your pseudology. Go get a book - they don't bite.


Name: agnostic
Date: Wednesday April 09, 2008
Time: 16:49:15 -0700
 

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Via Homophobic Horse, at gatesof vienna. " Are Muslim Paedophiles Incurable?” " The entire administrative apparatus of the British state is now clinically insane. " here's a video on Islamic child abuse of crawling babies. go click.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U1dADd23RE If you think that is bad, then see live caught-on-camera footage of muslim filth in action in their home countries having sex with animals (you want Halaal after this?) Link to these YOUTUBE vids watch?v=UO5FURgj9zM watch?v=gJDetPs169o watch?v=6_vAs1WOSAE. The United Nazi's wing UNICEF webpage for 2007 has a 40 year old muslim man with his 11 year old bried. Muslim paedophiles, it's OPEN SEASON. Make a bee line for Britainstan, grab any baby and Nu Labour will treat ;you nice, nice. Kick up a fuss over food as two terrorists did, and you'll get cuisine of your choice in your luxury pad. Nu Labour can't do enough to accommodate and appease you.


Name: Bobby
Date: Wednesday April 09, 2008
Time: 20:31:50 -0700
 

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Courageous people like Wilders are trying to defend modern civilization. If other people don't have the same courage, the least they can do is support him. Speak in one voice against scourge of Islam. If everyone defends such acts of free speech, islamists would not know who to target.


Name: I AW FITNA AND LIKED IT ITS TRUE IN EVERYTHING IT SAYS BCOZ IT USES ONLY KORAN AS THE REFERENCE
Date: Wednesday April 09, 2008
Time: 22:14:30 -0700

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I AM INDIAN EX-MUSLIM FOR OVER 15 YRS NOW,AND H CONVERTED ATLEAST 100-200 MUSLIMS TO TRUTH,AWAY FROM ISLAM = NAZISM,FITNA IS JUST GREAT IT USES ONLY KORAN VERSES TO EXPOSE ISLAM.I AM HAPPY AND HOPE NEWER AND MORE POWERFUL MOVIES R OUT TO DESTROY JUDEO CHRISTIANITY ISLAM WHICH IS WORST THAN AIDS.


Name: IF MUSLIMS DONT BELIEVE FITNA IS TRUE THEY R SAYING KORAN IS FAKE - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA
Date: Wednesday April 09, 2008
Time: 22:18:55 -0700
 

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IF MUSLIMS SAY FITNA IS WRONG THEY R SAYING KORAN IS WRONG WHICH MEANS THEY ALSO BELIEVE KORAN IS MAN CREATED FABRICATED BOOK...ITS A GREAT MASTER STROKE...AND I LIKE IT,MORE FITNA LIKE MOVES ON KORAN AND HADITH SHUD COME...SO JUDEO CHRISTIANITY ISLAM IS DESTROYED AND WORLD KNOWS TRUE PEACE NOT FUKED UP JUDEO CHRTSINA ISLAM PEACE.


Name: Why are muslims so silent?
Date: Thursday April 10, 2008
Time: 00:35:30 -0700
 

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In contrast to the cartoons Fitna is not insulting at all and the muslim leaders see no way to ignite violence again. Where is the clot-mob this time? Boycots? The Netherlands are more important than Denmark in terms of economy and everybody knows that a boycot would be desastrous for everybody, including the muslim world itself. Most of the european oil is being imported via Rotterdam. But there is another reason. Fitna exposes islam and it is not impossible that it might encourage moderate muslims to leave islam. That´s another reason for the muslim world to downplay the importance of Fitna.


Name: islamists attacking here too
Date: Thursday April 10, 2008
Time: 01:01:17 -0700
 

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islamists attcking here too.see how these islamists intoleremt came here also arguing with logic lees points. they surely might be having no sleep at nights sfter this site is opned.I think they are daily tracing this site and copying the same meaning less loooooong cooments with out using their brain.


Name: islam is going to vanish
Date: Thursday April 10, 2008
Time: 01:07:10 -0700
 

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islam is going to vanish.world is going to know that a new things will occur soon.islamists are fearing every where around the world about their religion.Now it is being questoned on its logic and truth in rational terms. it is going to be obsolete and religion just as former faiths in babilonea and mesopotamia


Name: Re: islam is going to vanish
Date: Thursday April 10, 2008
Time: 01:26:55 -0700
 

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I agree! It reminds me to the old mayan civilisation ruled by priests who performed bloodshed rituals every year in order please the godnesses to receive good weather and rain. At the highest point, times changed and the overpopulated country fell into a deep crisis. The prayers and rituals did not help any more and the civilisation fell apart. This may happen with islam too. Only a few weeks ago, the saudi king held prayers for rain. And much like the mayans, muslims believe they can change the world by prayers or by violence against unbelievers. This is why islam is a cult and not a religion. It heavily relies on magical thinking, something which is regarded as mental desease by modern psychologists. Just have a look how brainless many of the muslim bashers and pasters are, even at this forum! They cannot think rationally, they always point to the verses of the quran and don´t understand that they do not apply to reality. In other words, islam can be regarded as mental desease. It destroys thinking and keeps people in darkness.


Name: Ali Sinner and his worshipers have been dismantled
Date: Thursday April 10, 2008
Time: 05:27:09 -0700
 

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Ali Sinner and his worshipers have been dismantled in so many places throughout the net: (1) http://www.answering-faithfreedom.org/ (2) http://faithfreedom.com/ (3) http://muslim-responses.com/ (4) http://www.examinethetruth.com


Name: ALI SINA IS NOT DEFEATED, BUT KORAN IS DEFEATED HERE IS HOW !!!!!
Date: Thursday April 10, 2008
Time: 06:00:20 -0700
 

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ALI SINA SHUD HV STUCK TO SCIENTIFIC STUFF RATHER THAN PHILOSOPHICAL STUFF LIKE : WOMEN WHO MENTRUATE HV ILLNESS : 2-222 , ALSO IF JESUS WAS A VIRGIN BORN AND HE WAS A MAN HE IS SUPPOSED TO HV X-Y CHROMOSOMES AND SO FROM HWERE DID HE GET THE Y CHROMOZOME...DID THE FAKE DEITY JEHOVA/ALLAH GIE IT TO HIM ? THERE R THOUSANDS OF SUCH SCIENTIFIC FRAUD IN KORAN,ANYWAY ALI SINA HAS DONE A GREAT JOB AND IS MORE INTELLIGENT THEN THESE PEOPLE WHO R AGAINST HIM,ALI SINA CARRY ON YR GREAT WORK,BCOZ THE TERRORIST NAZI FASCIST RELIGION JUDEO CHRISTIANITY ISLAM WILL BE DESTROYED SOON !!!! AL HAM DULL ILL AAAHHHH !!! ALLAH HU IBLIS ! ALLAH HU IBLIS !!! ALLAH HU IBLIS !!!!! ALLAH HU KHANZEER ! ALLAH HU KHANZEER !!! ALLAH HU KHANZEER !!!!!


Name: Better to be worshipper of Ali Sina that Muhammad
Date: Thursday April 10, 2008
Time: 06:06:30 -0700
 

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IT IS BETTER TO BE WORSHIPPER OF ALI SINA WHO IS NON VOILENT AND PEACELOVING RATHER THAN FILTHY PIG JEW CHRISTIAN MUSLIM DIMAGINARY DEITY JEHOVA/ALLAH AND HIS PIG MUHAMED/JESUS ETC....

ITS 1000% BETTER TO BE A WORSHIPPER OF SOMEONE WHO EXIST : ALI SINA WHO IS PEACE LOVING AND TRUTHFUL, RATHER THAN THE NAZI-FASCIST-HATE FILLED IMAGINARY FAKE DEITY JEHOVA/ALLAH PIG AND HIS NAZI FASCIST ZIONIST IDEOLOGY LIKE JUDEO CHRISTIANITY ISLAM AND HIS FILTHY PIG FOLLOWERS LIKE ABRAHAM,MOSES,JESUS,MUHAMED,OSAMA BIN LADEN AND ALL THE JEWS CHRISTIANS MUSLIMS.ITS BETTER TO BE A HUMAN BEING THAN A FILTHY LIE BELIEVER JEW CHRISTIAN MUSLIM.


Name: Murtado
Date: Thursday April 10, 2008
Time: 07:52:21 -0700
 

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Abul Kaseem, you are right on spot. I cannot agree with you more. Thank you for exposing the truth of islam.


Name: Aaron
Date: Thursday April 10, 2008
Time: 10:19:00 -0700
 

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Re: have they left Izlam or Islam. What u mean no racism and honor killings in Islam? Are u blind as well as retarded?


Name: kafir/infidel ( & Ex-communist ).- says ISLAM is plague and EBOLA virus of HUmanity
Date: Thursday April 10, 2008
Time: 11:16:01 -0700
 

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HAI HAI GAVE and ZUK - you both are the same guy ( fake) filled with hatred ,ill will,jealousy and bigotry, pure ISLAMIC QQURRANIC poison. DAVE and ZUK and IZLAM would love to be fucked by MO_HAM_MAD and get pregnant and will deliver MO_HAM_MAD's demonic hydra son !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is it not true AKHTER and ZAKIR NAIK ? ZAKIR would even by using the science in QQURRAN will deliver thousands of demons to prove the miracles of QQURRAN/MO_HAM_MAD !!!!!!! IS it not ZAKIR ? ZAKIR are you ready to get pregnant after sodomozation,incest by MO_HAM_MAD - the profiteer . ZAKIR - you would love to see the miracles and wonders MO-HAM-MAD can produce in you after the ultimate fuck to you. Then you can claim your 72 Houris and wine,dates and MO_HAM_MAD will take you to his bed in Janna too.

 


Name: No Fast and Prayer necessary
Date: Thursday April 10, 2008
Time: 13:10:11 -0700
 

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(14) Jesus said to them, "If you fast, you will give rise to sin for yourselves; and if you pray, you will be condemned; and if you give alms, you will do harm to your spirits. When you go into any land and walk about in the districts, if they receive you, eat what they will set before you, and heal the sick among them. For what goes into your mouth will not defile you, but that which issues from your mouth - it is that which will defile you." Gospel of Thomas 14/114 Did you realize that the Gospel of Thomas has as many verses like the surahs of the quran? The first known fragments of GOTh appeared around 140.


Name: Fasting and Prayer not necessary
Date: Thursday April 10, 2008
Time: 13:12:02 -0700
 

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(6) His disciples questioned him and said to him, "Do you want us to fast? How shall we pray? Shall we give alms? What diet shall we observe?" Jesus said, "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." Gospel of Thomas, first fragments revealed at around 125-140.


Name: Concerning fasting and praying
Date: Thursday April 10, 2008
Time: 13:13:58 -0700
 

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(104) They said to Jesus, "Come, let us pray today and let us fast." Jesus said, "What is the sin that I have committed, or wherein have I been defeated? But when the bridegroom leaves the bridal chamber, then let them fast and pray." Gospel of Thomas, from Naq Hammadi Collection and Oxyrhynchus


Name: Will there be a revealation?
Date: Thursday April 10, 2008
Time: 13:22:27 -0700
 

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113) His disciples said to him, "When will the kingdom come?" <Jesus said,> "It will not come by waiting for it. It will not be a matter of saying 'here it is' or 'there it is.' Rather, the kingdom of the father is spread out upon the earth, and men do not see it."


Name: The Kingdom of the Lord
Date: Thursday April 10, 2008
Time: 13:24:16 -0700
 

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(3) Jesus said, "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty." GOT


Name: ZuK
Date: Thursday April 10, 2008
Time: 15:02:53 -0700
 

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Hey, kafir/infidel (& Ex-communist ).----- did you bother actually READING my post? Why don't you do it first... you will see that, if there's something I am not, is an Islam-lover. And, btw, unless somebody else is using my nick, I am ZUK and nobody else. I don't know about any DAVE.


Name: balam
Date: Thursday April 10, 2008
Time: 19:25:16 -0700
 

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Abul Kasem gave a very intelliget interview. Unfortunately the Muslims have no justifiable defence and they come under different fake names and are exteremly boring .The ugly face of Islam and its innovator dhould exposed extensively so that the civilised world get rid of this scourage called ISLAM for good.


Name: kafir/infidel ( & Ex-communist ).- says ISLAM is plague and EBOLA virus of HUmanity
Date: Friday April 11, 2008
Time: 10:36:59 -0700
 

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To Zuk - Sorry for the misunderstanding . apologies .


Name: lomyen
Date: Tuesday April 15, 2008
Time: 13:20:29 -0700
 

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no need for the islamists to protest Fitna. The cowardly Western media and UN are doing their bidding so they can remain realatively silent. Quite smart.


Name: save the world...
Date: Wednesday April 16, 2008
Time: 08:48:24 -0700
 

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...ban islam!


Name: Tanstaafl
Date: Thursday May 01, 2008
Time: 11:35:46 -0700
 

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Folks - the caps lock is used for names of organizations like the NAACP, the NEA, UNESCO and the OIC. When it is used in forums like this it is the equivalent of shouting. I have noticed that the detractors of Geert Wilders do not counter his argument. That is, the Qur'an is the source and inspiration of the current jihad. Is this true? A yes or no would satisfy the question rather than the rambling incoherent rants that have been presented so far. Don't blame the messager. Wilders is simply pointing out what anyone who has read the Qur'an (and many Muslims have not) knows. That is hardly offensive or deserving of the outlandish babble exhibited above.


 
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