Islam Under Scrutiny by Ex-Muslims

Mumbai Massacre: One Man’s Terrorist is Another Man’s Gunman

The New York Times called them gunmen—something out of the Wild West, Billy Bonney and the Clantons, hurrahing the town on White Lightning Day or maybe Vincent Mad Dog Coll tuning up for a go at the Mustache Petes. Yeah, gunmen, a sort of inoffensive word… it must have been a command decision, a council of high-pressure journalists sitting up all night to take the edge off the latest Muslim assault on the sensibilities.
We’ve had some, ah, killings at Mumbai—despicable acts. What say you, Tom… Frank… Maureen? If we call them terrorists our enemies will bring up Washington and Jefferson, accuse us of using a double standard, say Washington and Jefferson were engaged in the same kind of activities. We can’t let that happen.

We could call them gangsters but that doesn’t fit. Gangsters wear three-piece suits and are loaded down with jewelry. Even Robert Mueller couldn’t tell a gangster from the average Wall Street broker unless it was a Gangsta Rapper…Cutthroat is too crude and it sounds like it’s out of Jack Armstrong, the all American Boy…We can’t call them freedom fighters or somebody at FOX will snicker and that loon at MSNBC, that Olbermann, will jump all over Rupert Murdock. We want Olbermann trashing Sarah Palin not Bill O’Reilly.

We’re running out of adjectives. How about something that rhymes with Mumbai…How about rascals or unmitigated scoundrels? No? We’d sound like The Beverly Hillbillies or worse yet, like Charles Dickens? Okay. So, how many were there? Ten? That’s not enough for a horde and too many for a Magnificent Seven. You know what I mean.

Well, come on, Tom…Maureen…Frank, think of something. If we call them terrorists our Muslim readership will decline and we don’t want that to happen.

Okay…gunmen. That’s not too bad. We’ll try it for a while and see if it catches on.

The Times has always been an innovator.

Mumbai? Mumbai? Isn’t that a funny way to spell Bombay? Well, sure, it would be if one was trying to spell Bombay but Bombay no longer exists, can’t find it on any of the new maps, and the dictionary say look under Mumbai. All that focusing on Pakistan has caused America to ignore or forget India. Times have changed Bombay might have been good enough for Lord Mountbatten and Mohandus Gandhi but it didn’t fit the aspirations of a new, modern, dynamic Capitalist India. The name was changed to Mumbai in 1995 (That long ago!) to honor the goddess Mumbai, the ancient protector of Maharashtra. Whether Gandhi would have approved the change cannot be determined at this late date.

The name change angered Muslims—not all of them, only those that revere the Prophet and the Qur’an. A new terrorist group, the Deccan Mujahideen, claimed responsibility for the Mumbai killings.

The world was aghast; Islam was aghast. The Times and BBC searched for new adjectives, more indicative of the cowardliness of the 21st Century than of the heroism of the Marne or Normandy. Muslims from Afghanistan to Zanzibar condemned the slaughter. “Anyone who slaughters people and screams ‘Allahu akbar’ is sick and ignorant,” said Kazim al-Muqdadi, a professor at Baghdad University.

Sick and ignorant…slaughter…Mumbai…Bombay…9/11…Badr…killing disbelievers… a fierce slaughter… a horrible murdering… it says that somewhere…oh, yeah…in the scriptures…in the Muslim holy books.

Tabari IX:69 “Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us.”

Qur’an: 9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Qur’an: 33:60 “Truly, if the Hypocrites stir up sedition, if the agitators in the City do not desist, We shall urge you to go against them and set you over them. They will not be able to stay as your neighbors for any length of time. They shall have a curse on them. Wherever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy—a fierce slaughter—murdered, a horrible murdering.”

If the agitators in the City do not desist…Bombay…Mumbai…they will not be able to stay as your neighbors… lie in wait…ambush them…

The BBC was no better than The New York Times in coming to grips with the ‘horrible murdering.’ Two millions of Muslims reside in England. Why give offense? None of them, as far as is known, has ever thrown a single British East India Company tea bag into the Thames.

The Labor Party’s Friends of India was distressed. A Friends spokesperson accused BBC of “mealy mouthed posturing” and of desperately trying “to avoid causing offense which ultimately causes more offense to everyone.” They are terrorists and BBC should call them terrorists.

BBC resented the accusation. “This is nothing to do with political correctness,” said BBC. “We are not calling them freedom fighters. We are calling them bombers and militants. The fact is terrorist does not have a universal meaning. It translates as freedom fighters in certain languages.”

A list of freedom fighters in ‘certain’ languages would include John Wilkes Booth, Count Vlad, Horst Wessel, Captain William Kidd, Osama bin Laden, Mohammed Atta and Sean Penn. This raises an interesting question. If bin Laden and Atta are freedom fighters in a ‘certain’ language what do they call their victims? Terrorists? Little old ladies jumping from the top stories of burning buildings and five-year-olds eviscerated on school buses just don’t seem to fit the bill. And when was the last time a ‘freedom fighter’ faced down someone like Audie Murphy or Sergeant Alvin York in mortal combat?

Back to Tabari for lesson number two: “Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us.”

Sheikh Youssef al-Ayeri is a Muslim blogger. “It’s all right for Muslims to set the infidel’s castles on fire, drown them with water,” he wrote for the Fallujah Forum, “and (to) take some of them as prisoners, whether young or old, because it is one of the ways to beat them.”

This caused a tremor of alarm to ripple through the Internet community but it was scarcely anything new. Sheikh al-Ayeri was paraphrasing some of the things he had read in the Qur’an.

Inayat Bunglawala, a spokesperson for the Muslim Council of Britain didn’t have the first or the last word on the Mumbai killings but he may have had the most significant if he had stated it properly. It was a shame, said Inayat that “a handful of terrorists like this bring the entire faith into disrepute.” It would have made more sense if he had said, “It is a shame that an entire faith can bring freedom fighting into disrepute.”

In the meantime, The New York Times and BBC continue to struggle with their consciences, with the soul of the 21st Century, with politically correct terminology. Plato and Socrates never had it so tough.

Gunmen? Billy Bonney and the Clantons would have called Tom and Maureen and Frank out into the street for comparing honest, down-to-earth gunmen to child molesting, disbeliever killing Muslim freedom fighters. End of story…

It appears there is no more truth in journalism than there is in advertising.

Tom? Frank? Maureen? Who the hell are they?


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Denis Schulz was prospective convert to Islam (read his testimony: How I Almost Became a Muslim?) before changing his mind after the 9/11. He actively writes on the threats of Islam and terrorism.

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Name: Spiritualism
Date: Thursday December 11, 2008
Time: 23:50:16 -0500


Every Man is potentially divine.This is beyond the gross body and mind body.Divinity is hidden in humans like butter in milk. Unless one meditates one cannot locate the divine. Spiritual laws are same like physical laws and equal for all.Those who meditate can connect with their inner consciouness. But for this purpose one needs a proper Guru or Master to initiate into meditation.Only experienced drivers can teach driving. Similarly experienced living Master merged in super consciousness can initiate a fellow human beings into proper meditation

Name: Ibrahim Lone (few points for the author)
Date: Friday December 12, 2008
Time: 00:08:53 -0500


Though I understand that you have written this article in good faith, there are a few errors that I would like to point out. For example, Gandhi's full name was Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, and not Mohundus as you have written. Second Mumbai is not the name of a Goddess. The name is Mumba Devi, and she is not the Goddess of Maharashtra. She is a local deity of the fisher folk inhabiting the 4 original islands of Mumbai (former Bombay). The name has more to do with honoring the spirit of the natives of Mumbai than with religion. As far as Muslims getting hurt with this change of name is concerned, I really don't understand the point. There are places in India called Islamabad (long live Islam), Aurangabad and several places which either glorify Islam or the former Muslim rulers in India. We Indians have retained these names even though we suffered by the hands of these very people. We dont hate Muslims, however if Muslims do have a problem with these name changes they are welcome to leave India and live in another country where they're free to have their hands and legs amputated at the slightest mistake. India gives its citizens all the rights to free thought and expression. These rights include the right to leave India. The Muslims are free to exercise this right if the have a problem with the native Kouffar culture.

Name: Political Corectness will cost us our lives someday
Date: Friday December 12, 2008
Time: 00:13:33 -0500


Perhaps it time for Political correctness to give way to truthful reporting and presentation, and believe me it will happen as the pressure mounts on the Journos. As people will stray towards the Internet in search of the truth the TRP ratings of these politically correct newspapers and TV Channels will go down, which is not good business and hence they will be left with no choice other than telling the truth. That day Humanity will achieve a great victory.

Name: Yes the TV media and chemchagiri english media are running with petro dollars
Date: Friday December 12, 2008
Time: 01:42:38 -0500


Yes the TV media and chemchagiri english media are running with petro dollars as investment and always try to twist the terrorist news and historical facts of india.THey just want money but not human values.

Name: muslims whoever believe in sick bastards like muhamed need to be eliminated,
Date: Friday December 12, 2008
Time: 03:06:26 -0500


muslims whoever believe in sick bastards like muhamed need to be eliminated,

Name: Terrorism
Date: Friday December 12, 2008
Time: 05:08:40 -0500


"What you sow,so you reap"says tge theory of karma.Pakistan sowed terrorism and already has started reaping its rewards.The day is not far for the people of Pakistan to regret for the action of its own people when their karma starts hitting them back.

Name: How to beat the Media at their own game
Date: Friday December 12, 2008
Time: 05:19:35 -0500


I think crying and fretting over the Media responses is not going to help us in anyway. What we really need to do is to beat them at their own game. This might not be easy, nevertheless it not impossible either. Simple strategies will work wonders here. Since I live in India I will will only discuss India. There are so many time that the Media people discuss issues like terrorism and entertain phone calls and text messages. People like us can call these channels and mention our point of view along with the websites like FFI and Islam Watch. We can also write letters to editors of various magazines and dailies on a regular basis. We can put up our claims by simply being nice and polite in our Emails and keep witting frequently, eventually our letter will be posted in the letter to the editor columns. There is no need to spare your efforts, you can write to all sorts of magazines in all languages. This way we can reach a broad audience who can be educated on the evils of Islam.

Name: DH
Date: Friday December 12, 2008
Time: 05:50:32 -0500


At the root of western media reluctance to call Islamic killers "terrorists" is the belief that Islamic terrorists have some kind of legitimate historical and contemporary grievances eg Muslims are historical victims of "colonialism" and are being "oppressed" in such places as Palestine, Kashmir etc . The truth of the matter is that historically Muslims were arch imperialist-colonialists and, due to their inability to accept that non-Muslims have a right to exist on the earth as non-jizya-paying free peoples, are the prime cause of all trouble between themselves and non-Muslims. Muslim non-combatants in Kashmir would not be getting killed by stray indian army bullets if Muslim terrorists were not operating in that area with the aim of separating it from India and incorporating it into a united Islamic caliphate which they dream would conquer the world.

Name: John Fish
Date: Friday December 12, 2008
Time: 06:13:08 -0500


It is sad that muslims are only taught to murder innocent human lives. Hopefully, they will see that violence will achieve nothing and change their ways. We can only pray for them.

Name: Re: DH
Date: Friday December 12, 2008
Time: 08:01:49 -0500


Muslim use the excuse of colonialism because it appeals to the left. Kashmir is a historical part of India and Islam is the foreign agent in that conflict. As for Palestine, 80% of Israelis today live on land bought from Arab landowners and those purchases were approved by the Ottoman Muslims. What else? The French occupation of Algeria? Let's not forget what started that. The Arab Muslims for centuries terrorized European shipping boats, stealing the cargo, enslaving the people onboard until they were ransomed, and demanding tribute to sail on waters near Islamic lands. Even Karl Marx as a journalist praised France for colonizing Algeria. The Muslims have no legitimate grievances and we need to stop placating their childish fantasies of being oppressed freedom fighters.

Name: To : all Peace Loving Fucking Hindus
Date: Friday December 12, 2008
Time: 10:39:33 -0500


Hey, Guys, Ghandi Dead, he could not stop the Islamic Terrorism, Islamic Terrorism is still going strong because Qur'an Lives... There are only 2 options for you in Qur'an Book, Submit Islam or Die ? there is no Discussion Chapter in Qur'an...Hindus are Such Cowards, that's why Millions of Hindus have been fucked and Killed by Islamic Jihad Muslims, Still going Fucking Hindus in Their Own Motherland India, You can't stop the gun by your Love, You can only stop the gun by using gun , see...gun by gun, You can't change the nATURE....iSLAM nATURE....THANKS

Name: To: DH
Date: Friday December 12, 2008
Time: 11:55:40 -0500


Very good point DH.

Name: G.Ryan
Date: Friday December 12, 2008
Time: 13:44:10 -0500


to the muslim nutter on this page (and the other 1.2 billion). you have the cheek to call to call Hindu's cowards. muslims all through history have started wars ,lost them and then winge like the most spoilt children that you are the victims. there might be 1.2 billion muslims, but there are another 3.8 billion that aint! and we are all getting very pissed off!!!

Name: TO the sick muslim
Date: Friday December 12, 2008
Time: 20:15:40 -0500


There is nothing brave about planting bombs in buses and walking into railway stations firing indiscriminately killing innocent people.It is the most disgusting thing to do. The world is getting revulsed by these despicable acts of the Jihadis. Dont mistake the generosity and tolerance of the Hindus as a sign of weakness or cowardice. If it was so then the Indian civilisation would have been wiped out in the face of Islamic invasions/terrorism centuries ago. Apparently this is the biggest source of frustration to the jihadis.Now everyone in the world is waking up and realising the truth of this evil ideology called Islam.It took an evil Muslim emperor to make a peaceful sect of Hinduism called Sikhism into a militant religion.And study the Indian history before preaching about gun by gun.

Name: >> To : all Peace Loving Fucking Hindus
Date: Saturday December 13, 2008
Time: 01:01:25 -0500


Ur statement verifies how islam has come to india. U have realised how your ancestors have been converted to Islam....Then stand firmly say for the sake of humanity NO TO ISLAM.....and join this carvan...

Name: sudhakaran
Date: Saturday December 13, 2008
Time: 02:51:36 -0500


you need not worship a book which is dead.You need not go to a become religious.simply sit and meditate.your guns are not going to solve any problems other than destroying your religion

Name: A Human
Date: Saturday December 13, 2008
Time: 06:16:47 -0500


Whatever the Sacred books preach is a different matter. Moreover due to "adulteration" of the Holy Books (by some monks) they are not to be considered as always right. People must do deeds which are right as per the preachings, duties, thoughts of HUMANITY. Is it anyways, logically, correct to kill a person just because he does not follow the book that you follow.If you feel that your GOD (Allah) is the creator of this world & the people, then why did He create these people (the Non Muslims) who (you feel) donot follow HIM. So the answer is- if you follow him in the true & pure sense then first of all understand why has He given u a chance to come on Earth as a HUMAN BEING. Not to use the AK-47s or the AK-56s. But to work for the wellbeing of others, who are not as fortunate as you are- to have a good family, to have a good financial background, etc as you have. So, act as a human and not a Blood hound. The other sacred books (The Bible, The Bhagvad Geeta, etc)& the respective religions are not illogical in stating that "Helping others is helping Humanity and that is what pleases ME" So, it might be Jehad or anyother nonsensical reason for these terrorists to practise violence, they will be punished for their deeds by the LORD (for misinterpretation of the Sacred Books, for hating & killing others & not obeying HIM by doing what he doesnot want them to do.) As the Bhagvad Geeta says this Age (Kalyuga) is going to see a lot of such violent idiots (terrorists) come up & kill peace loving & spiritual people, and a Messiah will come to give us moksha (freedom) from these Rakshashas (Demons), what we can do is simply do our karma (acts) which is for the betterment of the society & leave everything else on the Almighty.

Name: An Indian
Date: Saturday December 13, 2008
Time: 06:44:54 -0500


TO JEHADIS, If you (Terrorists & the Pakistani Politicians) feel that India is a nation incapable of handling idiots like you then I feel you have forgotten the past when the Indian Military had reached Lahore. I, know violence is not good & WAR would make us also the same "wrong doers" as you but WAR is the only answer to stop you illiterate & selfish fishes. I feel pity for the innocent Pakistanis, Afganistanis, etc who have to face WAR with the rest of the world just because a**holes like you compel us for a war against you. Please understand, donot test our patience, else it will be simply a extreme war with you. Think about it, just a dozen of you can kill 200 in Mumbai then what can we, a strength of 100crore(in INDIA) & 600crore (minus whatever ur population is)all throughout the WORLD could do to the Handful of you freaks. Please understand it's an era with no Mahatma to support a NonViolent Move against you.(Moreover the British of the pre independence era where not f*#ers like you)THERE MUST BE NO NEGOTIATIONS WITH YOU. YOU MUST BE END YOUR STUPID JEHADI MOVEMENT OR GET KILLED.

Name: Re: A Human
Date: Saturday December 13, 2008
Time: 07:26:36 -0500


From the Islamic standpoint, Allah only created Muslims. Non-Muslims exist because they willfully deny the truth of Mohammed's prophecy. This why they say people revert to Islam and not convert.

Date: Saturday December 13, 2008
Time: 10:19:48 -0500


As Long as you continue saying about " LOVE & PEACE " Islamic Muslims will happily Fuck your Ass... Human Made Hundreds of Big Wars in Past History, good for Nothing, without any Purposes..but now , In Islamic Danger Case, Most of People said " no , no , do not attack Muslims, Love them, peace , peace , Fucking peace " why ? You all made hundreds of Wars , Millions of people died, but now , " Where are the War Lords ? where is Germany? Where is Japan Fasit ? Where are Mongol Fighters ? All of you afraid of Islamic Muslims, right because they all will fuck your Mothers and your Mother Lands soon....

Name: Zombie Fried Chicken
Date: Saturday December 13, 2008
Time: 15:32:11 -0500


It is our responsibilty as the enlightened ones to educate others about the Truth of what is going on. It does not take much to disprove the media excuses as DH has shown. One could have a couple of Quranic verses on hand which would explain everything to our ignorant friends who only watch TV and read papers. They would be free to check their sources and the choice would then be theirs to make. Also, all religion is evil and wrong. How do I know? Because this is the Revealed Truth.

Date: Saturday December 20, 2008
Time: 03:51:23 -0500


Islam, Qur'an should be reformed. Remove all of the Qur'anic Verses which Encourage Killing, Terrorism, Beheading, eg. Kill non-Islam People and you will enter Paradise and you will have 24 hours Heterosexual and Homosexual Sodomy Fucking. Remove Child abuse, Child Rape, Wife Beating, Women Abuse, Female Clitoris Cutting. Remove All of Qur'an Verse which allowed Muslims to Beat Their Wives, To have Animals Sex 4 by 1 legal animals sex. Remove all of Qua'ran verse which Fucking Allah said, Islam will dominate the world by Sexual Over Reproduction rate. All of Muslims can worship their Fucking Allah without killing Kaffir , without child rape, women abuse, animal sex, Beheading, and never try to dominate the world by means or Sword or by Means of Animal Reproduction Rate, and stay peacefully with all other religions on earth, never try to destroy others Religions such as Buddhist, Hindus, Jews, Christians...Never Insult others Religion in your Mosque or In your Terrorist Camp, Then we all accept Islam is the awesome Religion...All of Qur'an Verses which encourage All kinds of Criminals in the Name of Satan Allah must be Deleted or Eradicated. but Islam Quran is based on Killing, Murdering , child rape, women abuse, beheading, looting, animals sex...these such Extreme Criminals are the Main Stream of Islam Qur'an . without These Mohammed Favorite Criminals are the Main Stream of Islam Qur'an. Islam Qur'ran Allah Can not Survive without these Criminals....I would like to ask you Muslims about 1 question, If Allah is Almighty , let him come to earth and kill all Kaffirs by Himself, why didn't he kill kaffirs by himself and using Muslims to kill Kaffirs, because God will never command you to kill people in order to spread religion, God is Indeed Almighty and his religion will spread all over the Earth by Using Power of Love , not the Power of Hatred Killings which is the only Method of Satan Himself , Thank you..

Name: Promachos
Date: Monday December 22, 2008
Time: 10:47:20 -0500


In the good old days of the early enlightenment a free press was considered absolutely essential for the functioning of a free (i.e., democratic) society. Only with the honest and open discussion of all issues could the people and their representatives initiate informed decisions. It was the duty of the press to speak truth unto power so that the power thus weilded, on the beahlf of the poeple, would be wise. Given our current state of political-correctness, which is nothing more than pandering to minorities and other dissafected people who may swing the vote when the time comes, what is left of democracy?

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