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Muslim Father: Can I Have an Incest Relationship?

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Editor M. A. Khan had a conversation with a Muslim father, having a sexual relationship with his young daughter. Khan tries earnestly, but unsuccessfully, to have the relationship stopped. The man decides to take his daughter as his wife for life as a "god-written" destiny.


Anonymous Muslim:

I have sex relation with my daughter since 2 years after my wife died. She sleeps with me everyday. Is it right or wrong?

Pls inform.

M. A. Khan:

Hi,

Being atheists, we hold that there is no such thing as sin, but we believe in right and wrong.

We think the disapproval of incest in most civilized societies is a good thing, a good moral development. We think it's an unhealthy relationship to sleep with one's daughter. It would be very bad for her future relationship with whomever she marries. We would advise to you to try your best to abstain from it, and encourage your daughter to develop relationship with good boy/man, with whom she can have a healthy, guilt-free, happy and lasting relationship.

It's a father responsibility to help his children to have as best as possible out of their life. Your relationship with her is definitely unhelpful for her to have the best out of her life.

Thanking you.

MA Khan

Anonymous Muslim:

Hi

Thanks for your kind reply and suggestion really appreciated.

First of all thank you for telling that I am not committed any sin.

Actually I always try to avoid, and to discourage my daughter from having sex relation with his own father; I even threaten her. When I told her I find a nice guy for you to whom you get married she refused totally, and I get angry with her but cant help it out for long and forget everything. And I do tell her, as she asks me to do (sex), about my guilt as being father and do sex with my own daughter. But my daughter always encourages me to do so; you understand what I mean. As I am a human, I can’t control myself. Hope you understand what I am trying.

So pls kindly tell me if I can continue this relation with my daughter as we sleep everyday together.

Thanking you again, waiting for your reply.

M. A. Khan:

Dear Mr. XX,

I am wondering what to write given your predicaments. You are a grown-up person, probably more advanced in age than I am. I can see that you are in difficult situation, stricken by conscience on one hand, but vulnerable to your human weakness on the other—not helped your daughter's insistence. Whatever I say here may not make any difference at all. Anyway, let me say a few things, as you wish I do.

First, the fact that—we say there is no such thing as "sin" for which one would be punished in the next life—should be used as a license to commit wrongs. We, as atheists, see humans as rational beings on the whole, capable of doing both good and bad, right and wrong, but should strive toward maximizing the good/right, and minimizing the bad/wrong, to build a better society. We are all, religious or non-religious, are capable of doing that, but how we indoctrinate ourselves influences the balance. For example, we can relate to the ongoing Jihadi indoctrination by the Mullahs: those, who come under their influence, tend to commit mindless atrocities as we witness all around.

On the question of whether you should continue the sex-relation with your daughter or not, you should already get that our answer would be in the negative, because we see abstention from incestuous sex as positive social and moral development. Yet, we also understand your dilemma, and the human failing (whether one is religious or atheist is prone to it; it occurs in every society, in every category of people, but only more or less).

Although you didn't ask for it, let me give you some suggestions that you may apply as you are somewhat keen to withdraw from this relationship.

I see that your daughter (not sure how old she is) has been unhelpful in your efforts to stop it. I would also assume that at the beginning of developing this relationship, you were as responsible as her; you had given some signals, which must have emboldened her to turn the father-daughter relationship toward an amorous one. And I know, once initiated, it’s tough to come out of it. When one asks for sex, it’s tough to say ‘no’; when the girl is young and attractive, it's tougher. And, an unusual relationship like this could be more enthralling and adventurous (for those moments)—which may make it harder to abstain from.

I also feel that your double-life, while very exiting for some moments, is no less miserable for most of the time: you are stricken with guilt all the time that you are doing something wrong, doing something gravely harming the future and long-term happiness of your daughter; and, most of all, you must be stricken with fear about when someone would find out, which would be devastating to both of you and your extended family. If you are living in an Islamic country, the consequence could be extremely violent; in western country, it would be a life of shame and ignominy, not respect and dignity. I believe I’m right in saying that it's a miserable life, not one of confidence and dignity.

Having these issues in perspective, I think you can take a few steps to abstain from it.

  • Try gradually to turn the relationship between you two into the father-daughter one, which it truly is.
  • Try slowly to be an assertive father than weak Romeo.
  • Tell her: how you feel about it; how it's killing you; how miserable you feel because of above issues involved.
  • Tell her that you are determined not to do what you feel is wrong, not only because of it's moral and social aspect, but also because you can't destroy the long-term happiness of your own daughter.
  • Best tool still can be: you try to find a wife for yourself, more suitable for your age, and someone, who would be motherly to your daughter.
  • Probably send her away to live with a relative for sometime for the attraction to cool down.
  • Try to connect her with good young man, with whom she can gradually develop a relationship.

Doing these things is not easy; but it's a mess, having no easy way out either. You need to be determined to do things right, and follow one step at a time.

Wishing you best.

Anonymous Muslim:

Dear Mr M.A. KHAN

Thanks for your kind reply and suggestion.

As far as concerned I already took counseling with some institute, which even cant help me so far after this sex relation started with my daughter. I live in a conservative Muslim country. One year after this relationship developed, I had worries that somebody will get to know about it, and I moved to another city.

I’m in my late 40s and my daughter in her early 20s. Even all these times, I discuss with my daughter; even I told her once before that we will stopped this sexual relation forever, and I will find some good boy for you and you get married, and after that, I will also get married with some woman. Even I drop on

you, you will find some good woman for me to marry.

I’m trying so many things to stop this relation. Even one night, after I fuck my daughter, I told her that I will throw out from the house and you will no more live with me; then you have no life. So she told me: I am your blood; you throw me out, and I will go for prostitution, which would spoil your dignity. I tried too much; even I harshly explain everything but nothing comes out of it. Once, 2–3 days even I didn’t talk to her. When she noticed she got angry too much and said word "What happened dad! Am I a not beautiful? Am I not sexy, or not enough, to satisfy you as a daughter or wife?” Words like that makes me crazy. And

I once gave her a slap after some filthy conversation. But again, the same continues after sometime. When I see her crying my most beautiful daughter, I can’t stop myself.

Even I sometimes get too much fade-up of all these, and think of murdering my daughter and go to jail and spoil all my life. But when I saw her beautiful and innocent face, I withdraw from everything.

So after all these, I want your suggestion either I killed my daughter, or have her forever being daughter-cum-wife, or I killed myself. Because my life is miserable after thinking too much; I can’t help it out more or think more.

Waiting for your reply.

M. A. Khan:

Dear Mr. XX

There isn't much else I can say about your dilemma. But, I don't hope that it should end in a violent way. At 48, you still have good many years to live and contribute to society. And your young daughter has her whole life ahead. Neither of you deserve to die at this stage of life. You are only born once, and you should treasure it to its natural end.

I still feel that you could work on stopping the relation by taking a slow, gradual step. There is no need to rush to stop it. Man has achieved so much in this world. If you have the will, you will be able to do it.

I feel that if both of you could get long-term counseling from a psychiatrist, that would have been helpful. But then, I'm not sure how practicable or safe it is to talk to a doctor about this problem in Pakistan.

I still suggest that you try slowly to establish a stricter father-like authority over her. And start actively looking for a wife for yourself. You have to take some tough decisions and have to follow them through. There would be some shedding of tears, maybe even a feeling of heart breaking of either of both of you. You have to accept it with firm determination.

If nothing works out, I will still suggest you to make the best of this life, without taking a destructive course. Human beings are not perfect; they have failings. An ideal society should accept this fact of life, and deal with it in a tolerant, humane way, although not all societies and peoples are yet prepared for it.

Best wishes.

Anonymous Muslim:

Dear Mr. M. A. KHAN

Thanks for your reply.

I’ve already done too much and can’t do anything more. I know that I am taking a decision, which may not be acceptable in our society, in no man’s land; but some peoples like you know that it can happen.

Now I will accept my daughter as my 2nd wife as it’s me and my daughter destiny, which god wrote for me and my daughter to have this relation. Because now love her too much, and can’t live without her anymore.

Reply by return as waiting.

Thanks & regards.

M. A. Khan:

Dear Mr. XX,

Since, you have chosen that course of action, I only can wish you best.

Just a point of caution: the believers in God would not see it in the same light what you consider as 'God written destiny'. So, I hope you will remain safe from the faithful of God.

Best.


Addendum:

Readers have raise questions about a few of my comments in this tricky conversation, which need a bit of clarification (see below). Let me also acknowledge that this case should not be seen as Islam-motivated; the person makes no such connection. Moreover, I posted this conversation to initiate debate/discussion as to how such cases be solved best.

1. Is the case real?

And concerning truth of the story, it may well be a false one. Yet, we have seen quite a few recent reports of father-daughter incests: one in Singapore (Muslim), one in West Bengal, India (Muslim), one in Australia (Christian). But I also believe that the occurrences more common than those that come out to light, because of extraordinary circumstances, like the girl falling pregnant etc. (that's what happened in above three cases).

2. How could I (M. A. Khan) wish this man 'best'. Am I out of my mind, a pervert?

I wished him "best" simply because, given they live in a Muslim country, both of them might be torn into pieces if people happen to find out. If they were living a Western society, the problem could be solved relatively easily. But here both lives are at risk of a violent end. I had that worry in my mind while discussing the case, and I hope that neither of them face a brutal end of their life.

All I could hope is that, given both of them are adults, at one point or another, they would come to a better sense, and stop this relationship. There is no easy solution here.

3. Secondly, how do you justify my saying: "An ideal society should accept this fact of life, and deal with it in a tolerant, humane way, although not all societies and peoples are yet prepared for it"?

What I wanted to mean here is that, given the society this couple live in, if the story come to light, both lives would meet a violent end. I am adamant that we should not stoop to this middle-age barbarism as happened in Christian Europe, and something, which continues in Islamic/conservative countries even today.

Such cases can be dealt with, tolerantly, by separating the girl from the father. In a liberal Western country, it could be solved in that way; but that option is not available in the present case, given the couple's location.

While some objections to posting this story have been raised, even from well-wishers of this website, I would be happy to remove it from the site. But I would also insist that we be able to discuss the issue, howsoever abhorrent it may be. It's part of every society, howsoever rare, and only an open-minded discussion can lead to a better solution.

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This can\'t be true
written by Kafir , September 15, 2009
I don't belive this story. Some mentally retarted maniac has written these letters.
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Holy \"£%\"£$^% !!
written by Sam , September 15, 2009
I'm speechless! But I guess this is what happens in a conservative Islamic family where youngsters are denied normal sexual desires. Such vulnerable teenagers usually resort to turning towards their own sex for fulfilment. This reminds me of my experiences.

Growing up in an Islamic country, I've witnessed numerous incidents of Arab youths molesting young girls (as little as 9-12 yrs old) in public places like supermarkets, apartment complexes n malls. I've been a victim of molestation too when I was young by a dishdasha-wearing Arab. Its been 15-20 yrs but if I can remember it now, imagine the impact on this girl's life!
I cant help but truly pity the girl's life being ravaged n torn into pieces by a mere cult like Islam. All the more reason that there isn't any super deity protecting us.
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written by jenn , September 15, 2009
Muslim men just like their Prophet think with their penis.
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Most probably this letter is a fake
written by Free from indoctrination , September 15, 2009
evil is not evil in the sense it is portrayed by judo-Christine Islamic faiths my definition of evil is


AN EVIL IS ALWAYS RIP-OFF AND SPILL-OUT OF UNSUSPECTING DISTORTIONS AND INATTENTIVE FLAWED CHEMISTRY OF THINGS THAT OTHERWISE GET PASSED AS VIRTUE SANCTIFIED BY INVERSE PSYCHOSIS OF HUMANITY

Which is why a great philospher put it so well by saying that ,,, THE WRONGS OF UNSHAPELY THINGS ARE TOO GREAT TO BE TOLD.

the wrong this correspondent of letter revealed is a sign-;post of how terribly distorted this man is irrespective of any religious concept of sin because he must be the architect of whole frailty by choice no matter what excuse he has, he is guilty.
But it seems more likely that this letter is fake and the witter of it merely wanted to elicit some response from the owner of this website Mr M A khan
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Wonderful Mindset
written by Manzikert , September 15, 2009
For all I know, this letter could be fake but it still speaks volumes about this man's mindset... He needs kuffar psychiatric help immediately.
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What a f.....g pervert!!!!
written by Ignatios , September 15, 2009
M.A. Khan how in the name God can you whish this man the best? Are you out of your mind???

The only thing one should wish for is that he drops dead and his daughter is set free from his abuse.

Period!
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Dropping dead!!
written by Ignatios , September 15, 2009
Well one should not wish him dead, BUT dont wish him the best, for Christ sake!!!
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dissappointed
written by Kinana , September 15, 2009
Mr Kahn
you shot yourself in the foot with this exchange. i am dissappointed.
'An ideal society should accept this fact of life, and deal with it in a tolerant, humane way, although not all societies and peoples are yet prepared for it.'
astonishing
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written by Shocked , September 15, 2009
Mr Khan

If you think that this is the way to create sensationalism through a sick story, then you are just as sick.
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Incest
written by RS , September 15, 2009
I am not sure where religion comes in to this in to what this man is doing to his daughter. Without sounding like psychiatrist or psychologist here we have a very vunerable young women who lost her mother . She is dependent on her father to provide that emotional security end up developing a sexual relationship. there he is leting it all happen with an iota of respect for his daughter. His whiole expaanaition is that of a lustful man who would not spare his own daughter AND TO TOP IT ALL BLAME HER FOR HIS PREDICAMENT. He goes on to explained how tries hard to persuade her to stop but he repeatedly falters. Does not realy smacks of shear hypocracy. Once again I think he has made religion as front to justify his incest and he does not have courage to say he is in this relationship because he can not help himself. He is individual without any morality. At 48 he thinksing of who else would offer herself willingly. Nobody knows the daughter side of story or do we? He should not have been in this ........ period. to me he has exploited a very insecure individual who needed him the most. I write this as father. This relationship will remain a moraly unhealthy throughout and i will not surprised at some stage the daughter will find detesting this man who doesnot deserve to be husband or father.
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written by human , September 15, 2009
Mr. Khan,

This exchange of letters seem incredible and rather far-fetched. Even if it is true, you should not post it on your website. One person's utterly deviant behaviour, just because he is a muslim, should not be cited in a serious discourse on Islam. It dents the credibility of your website.

Best wishes.

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written by Someone , September 15, 2009
This story has to be either fake or someone just posed like a muslim writing a letter to M.A. Khan.

It does point out the fundamental problem however with muslims assuming everything happens because God willed it. With that mindset they always have a way to make themselves feel good about bad things.

Anyway, articles like this one are pretty pointless. If anything, all they do is damage your credibility.
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Incest in Islam is a sin?
written by To M A Khan , September 15, 2009
I believe Islam does not in incest and considers it a sin.
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written by Persia , September 15, 2009
Either it is a fake Tale, or it is true. Why? Because it wouldn't be the first Time that an Islamic Person LIES and actually, if he commits a Crime, he says that "the Victim is guilty". Never noticed? I had several Examples about the Subject. Help that Daughter (in Case of the whole Thing is true).
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re: What a f.....g pervert!!!!
written by M. A. Khan , September 15, 2009
M.A. Khan how in the name God can you whish this man the best? Are you out of your mind???
The only thing one should wish for is that he drops dead and his daughter is set free from his abuse.
Period!


Hi folks, I know that religious folks would like to see this man dead. But I do not support support a violent end to either of the two persons involved.

I wished him best simply because, given they live in a Muslim country, both of them might be torn into pieces if people happen to find out. If they were living a Western society, the problem could be solved relatively easily. But here both lives are at risk of a violent end.

All I could hope is that, given both of them are adults, at one point or another, they would come to a better sense, and stop this relationship. There is no easy solution here.

And concerning truth of the story, it may well be a false one. Yet, we have seen quite a few recent reports of father-daughter incests: one in Singapore (Muslim), one in West Bengal, India (Muslim), one in Australia (Christian). But I also believe that the occurrences more common than those that come out to light, because of extraordinary circumstances, like the girl falling pregnant etc. (that's what happened in above three cases).
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Answer us Khan
written by NSC London , September 15, 2009
First off, this letter reeks of being fake, I think you might have been had mate.

Secondly, how do you justify this? "An ideal society should accept this fact of life, and deal with it in a tolerant, humane way, although not all societies and peoples are yet prepared for it."

So, an "ideal" society should accept a dad fu**ing his kids? What kind of barbarian are you?

My god, if this is the broken, passive, hyper-liberal, depraved society you have in mind I really don't know if I want to associate with you or this website.

I think you need to respond because I consider people who feel as you do to be bigger enemies to helpless women and children than Islam.

Wow. Just wow.
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written by M. A. Khan , September 15, 2009
NSC London:
Secondly, how do you justify this? "An ideal society should accept this fact of life, and deal with it in a tolerant, humane way, although not all societies and peoples are yet prepared for it."


What I wanted to mean here is that, the society this couple live, if the story come to light, both lives would meet a violent end. I am adamant that we should not stoop to this middle-age barbarism as happened in Christian Europe, and something, which continues in Islamic/conservative countries even today.

Such cases can be dealt with, tolerantly, by separating the girl from the father. In a liberal Western country, it could be solved in that way; but that option is not available in the present case, given the couple's location.
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That person is sick
written by Marcus , September 15, 2009
I guess in this case he needs a better doctor not the help of ex-muslims. All religions will consider it to be 'sin'.
Also we are humans and 'father-daughter' kind of sex is harmful from a scientific, medical point of view also.
Main culprit is the father. Dont see the Islamic origin of the man in this case and its pure perversion. ISlam allows sex with 9 year old girls , but no where muhammed fucked her daughter fatima.
Although ISlam is a sick religion, in this case the man is pure perverted.
He should immediately marry her off to some suitable groom and himself marry immediately some widow etc.
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He is a beast
written by A father , September 15, 2009
I believe this guy is an abnormal psycopath if he has the courage to write his guilt to Mr Khan than this b**tard must have the courage to stop what he is doing and at the same time he can teach / convince his daughter that this relationship is wrong and evil. If his daughter needs fu**ing that badly he can arrange her marriage but for that he must have the will to do what is right for both of them
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It is horrifying to read this and to be powerless
written by tanstaafl , September 15, 2009
Shame on this "man" and the sexual torture he has forced his daughter to under go.

I have read on numerous other occasions that the incestuous father has claimed that in Islam his own daughters are halal to him. Is this a shameful excuse common to any incestuous male or does Islamic culture lend itself to this time of abuse? I have no easy answer, but in any culture were women are oppressed 24/7, I cannot help but feel that the culture itself enables this sort of abuse.
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the heart of matter
written by Free from indoctrination , September 15, 2009
mr amar is never wrong when he suggest that even if a slight wind is blown about this matter in an Islamic country like Pakistan, both father and daughter would meet most gruesome end, the only solution of such matter would be that both father and daughter realize the chemistry of their deviant sex hormones and the bottomless pit of guilt they have descended to . because it is the distortion of their both head and heart which led them so astray.
having sex is no sin but sex with daughter/sister/mother is a reflection of an unspeakable sick mind, religion has got nothing to do with it. there are some eternal and universal logos or vibes of morality by which we are judged. i pray that both these daughter and father awakened from this sub-human acquiescence if it is really the case. Otherwise they are their own hell. BUT I AM STRICTLY AGAINST DEALING THEM ANY VIOLENCE . THEY ARE LOST BUT STILL NOT LATE TO REALIZE THE SELF-INFLICTED HELL THEY HAVE BECOME PRISONER OF. THEY DESERVE OUR SYMPATHY AND LOVE MORE THAN ANY OTHER HUMAN BEING IF THEY REALLY WISH TO COME OUT OF IT OR ELSE THIS SELF-INFLICTED HELL WILL TAKE ITS OWN REVENGE FROM THEM BY DEFAULT AS IS THE LAW OF NATURE.
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Ah, I see what you\'re saying now
written by NSC London , September 15, 2009
"What I wanted to mean here is that, the society this couple live, if the story come to light, both lives would meet a violent end. I am adamant that we should not stoop to this middle-age barbarism as happened in Christian Europe, and something, which continues in Islamic/conservative countries even today."

Ah, I see what you mean, thanks for clarifying. The comment read as if society in general was somehow flawed for not simply accepting that raping your kids is some sort of fact of life.


"Such cases can be dealt with, tolerantly, by separating the girl from the father. In a liberal Western country, it could be solved in that way; but that option is not available in the present case, given the couple's location."

I'm going to assume that you mean the father and daughter may be tolerantly separated by a long and harsh prison sentence for the father. I think what chafes in yoru writing is the constant use of the word "tolerant" when we're clearly dealing with a case of abuse.
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written by mormons , September 15, 2009
Yes, because obviously the MILLIONS of Muslims in the world are all like this. And all terrorists.

You idiots who lap this stuff up need to get out more and make something more of your lives.
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written by mormons , September 15, 2009
If you believe crap like this then you may as well go and believe all 1.5 BILLION muslims in the world are all terrorists and paedophiles and take part in incest and whatever else stupid crap you believe in.

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written by IK , September 15, 2009
I don't know what to believe in this story and what not...I am confused and speechless
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Remove this article
written by Citizen , September 15, 2009
I think this article has to be removed. Generally many Uncles rape there nieces in islamic world. But this is too much. I dont think Islam is a factor here, please remove this post, even thinking about this is vomiting and beyond reason.
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written by Friend , September 15, 2009
Mr,khan please remove this article.I believe a majorty of good people from all walk of life visit this site and take part in serious discussions.I know islam is pure evil but this is to much.
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written by Eric , September 15, 2009
this website is terrible..it is spreading lies and hatred against Islam
Khan is a paid Mosad agent
everyone be careful from the lies that are written here on this site..
this website is also monitored by the authorities to track a future attacks on muslims
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why allah would do this
written by COMMON SENCE , September 15, 2009
my question is to mr khan and everyone on this blog. why allah created black people who are un attractive always live in poverty and sub human state and why he created white people who are attractive well off and enjoy the best of the world although religions say that all humans are equal for god/ allah.

please reply my question i am so confused
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Re: Ah, I see what you\'re saying now
written by M. A. Khan , September 15, 2009
I'm going to assume that you mean the father and daughter may be tolerantly separated by a long and harsh prison sentence for the father. I think what chafes in your writing is the constant use of the word "tolerant" when we're clearly dealing with a case of abuse.

NSC London,
I did not demand the same aggressively like you do, because I'm not sure if this case could be established as one of abuse, although definitely abhorrent. According to the info given to me, the girl was a few years into her adulthood when the relationship started. Last time, when I was following the incest case in Australia, both father and daughter were insisting that they were adults and should be left alone in their private matters.
In the present case, I took the age of the girl given was true; if so, it may be hard to establish it as a case of criminal abuse. In that case, separating the two, placing an restraining order on the father or both from meeting the girl, and putting them both through psychiatric treatments etc., as I feel, are a few steps that may be undertaken as a more viable solution.
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written by ub , September 15, 2009
Obviously, muslims have much greater potential to become a terrorist or padeophiles than any other groups of people in the world. so how about the chances for a muslim to take part in incest? what about muslims' favorite 'cousin-marriage' happening in UK? yes, you bet!
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islam IS a factor
written by ub , September 15, 2009
yes, islam IS a factor here:

Incest is Halal in Islam:

http://islam-watch.org/AyeshaAhmed/Incest-Halal-in-Islam.htm
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written by a guest , September 16, 2009
"I’ve already done too much and can’t do anything more."

You have not done enough sicko. Either you need to be incarcerated for 100 years or you should go away on your own atleast a 1000 kms away from your daughter. Abandon her right now!

"I am not sure where religion comes in to this in to what this man is doing to his daughter. "

There are plenty of father-daughter and brother-sister incest stories in the bible. When similar kind of stories appear in a holy book no one is shocked or angered but when it appears on a website, people start objecting and saying the credibility of the website is lost. Brush such stories as untrue and fabricated and pretend they don't happen, ever.

Abrahamic religions Islam and christianity were started by Abraham who married his sister sarah.
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written by a guest , September 16, 2009
Or better stil castrate and bobbit yourself then you can wean your daughter off you.
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written by Shocked , September 16, 2009
To ub, Mr Khan and the rest of the misinformed gullible public:
Incest is HARAAM in Islam.
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re: Re: Ah, I see what you\'re saying now
written by NSC_London , September 16, 2009
I'm going to assume that you mean the father and daughter may be tolerantly separated by a long and harsh prison sentence for the father. I think what chafes in your writing is the constant use of the word "tolerant" when we're clearly dealing with a case of abuse.

NSC London,
I did not demand the same aggressively like you do, because I'm not sure if this case could be established as one of abuse, although definitely abhorrent. According to the info given to me, the girl was a few years into her adulthood when the relationship started. Last time, when I was following the incest case in Australia, both father and daughter were insisting that they were adults and should be left alone in their private matters.
In the present case, I took the age of the girl given was true; if so, it may be hard to establish it as a case of criminal abuse. In that case, separating the two, placing an restraining order on the father or both from meeting the girl, and putting them both through psychiatric treatments etc., as I feel, are a few steps that may be undertaken as a more viable solution.


Actually this is kind of interesting. I had not considered the possibility that this could be in any way a father/daughter could have a consentual sexual relationship (eww). In that instance, one could make the case that they are consenting adults and as long as they refrain from producing any three-headed offspring perhaps they should be left alone.

I'll have to Google that case in Australia. Very interesting, it raises the question: is this relationship depraved or am I just being unduly judgemental of someone else's sexuality?
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written by NSC_London , September 16, 2009
Ah! Typographical and syntax errors in the above! Sorry folks, is there an edit button on this stuff once it's posted?
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A TRUE MUSLIM
written by a guest , September 17, 2009
THIS IS JUST SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU ALL NEED TO LOOK AT YOURSELF PROPERLY!!!!!
ISLAM DOES NOT ALLOW SUCH NONSENCE
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To Mr M A Khan
written by Kenmirzz , September 18, 2009
Hello sir

These man and his daughter are obviously sick and require medical attention. Normal human will not have sexual desire against own family member. He needs to see psychologist or psychiatrist for this matter, so does his daughter.

However, considering the fact that he is living in a conservative Muslim country where his life could be threaten if the secret is disclosed, he should abstain from this perversion through self-control. I know it's going to be hard as this is easier said than done.

I hope that he does not opt for violence to resolve this issue. Murder is definitely wrong in every way. This man needs a wife and the daughter needs to be married.

The best for him is to send his daughter for study abroad where the distance between them can be widen. If that's not a choice, they have to live separately though the man can still support her and visit her occasionally.
The gradual decrease in the frequency of sex between them is beneficial for both parties. By the way, she is living in a conservative country and prostitution is punishable by death. This man should know that the threat is invalid.

Having said all this, if the story is faked, the one who ask the question is indeed still sick.

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Incest relationship between father &daughter
written by Globe trotter , September 18, 2009
This is really sick story. Real sick story when and where healthy,open,freedom,democracy,peace,love ,honesty,truth prevails. But all this does not apply to a Moslem country,true moslem people and to ISLAM. Remember Mo the darling of all ISLAMISTS/JIHADISTS was the first one to violate all morals, noraml healthy human values and established this primitive dark chaper in human history called ISLAM. Mo was cruel, immoral, sexist,misogynist,slavery perpetrator,intolerant fascist, killer and murderer,pedo etc. Mo violated all human decency,civility,values. One has to consider this incest relation ship in totality of the impact ISLAM has . Eventhough we all express our dismay and unbelief in this kind of bestiality - but it is entirely possible under ISLAMIC circumstances. Moslems lie. Moslems dabauch. Moslems drink. Moslems use drugs . There is lot of homosexuality and lesbianism, and sodomy in ISLAMIC countries- by the way , all of this is /will be -flatly denied by any Moslem. Taqiyya is normal in ISLAM. More over when Mo violated all norms - then true Moslems see as perfect to follow him. Look at how Moslems enjoy all the benefits, magnanimity,generosity ,freedom,freedom of religion ,equality,democracy, equal rights granted to them by kafirs,infidels in countries like INDIA, UK,CANADA,USA,europe and then without any consciousness ,guilt of justice, or gratitude - go about denying all of the above rights to nonmoslems in ISLAMIC countries. Moslems know that their religion is ruthless, cruel,no kindness,no compassion and will not accept freedom,equality,democracy, freedom of religion, equal rights, equality of women etc to nonmoslems - all this ISLAMIC ally sanctioned BY MO/ALLA /QQURRAN. How can such cruelty can exist ? only in ISLAM it is possible.
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Moslem father incest of his daughter
written by Globe Trotter , September 18, 2009
ISLAM is a separate category,most primitive,most uncivilized ,most cruel,most darkness. Is it not true the Profiteer MO after killing husbands and entire families of women ( like safia ) ,on the same day took them as slaves and used them for his sex ,lechery and deviancy ? Did not Mo 's wife caught him red handed sleeping with his slave woman ,eventhough he lied to her that he will not have sex with the slave again ,- by lieng ? Is it not true that 54 year Mo married 6 yr old AISHA ? Actually Mo was dreaming of that infant kid when she was only 4 yrs old !!!!
Several years back, after the Iranian ISLAMIC mullas came to power , one AYATOLLA khomenai (?) wrote a small book about the code of sexual matters in ISLAM - what is permitted and what is not permitted in Sex in ISLAM. In that he mentions that a girl can be thighed as early as 6 months or 1 year by a man - which means that he can enjoy her sexually by playing with his penis and thighs on the genitals of the baby girl !!!! this is a true story.Not concocted . Any true Iranian moslem would vouch for this . Also the same Mulla wrote that after a Moslem man has sex with a goat - such a goat becomes unfit for eating it's meat in the same village . But however , such goat can be killed and it's meat can be consumed by the Moslems in the neighbouring villages !!! This is all true . From this you can infer so many things - that Moslems (men ) are having sex with goats in IRAN .
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This is not about Religion
written by Not Religion , September 22, 2009
Incest is not about religion, and it is not about Islam. Marry girl children is a product of Islam, but incest is unfortunately a problem the world over. The daughter is clearly being abused:

"Mackenzie Phillips is set to tell Oprah tomorrow that she was raped by her father, John Phillips, and continued to have a sexual relationship with him for many years. She revealed as much in her tell-all book that comes out Wednesday:

"On the eve of my wedding, my father showed up, determined to stop it. I had tons of pills, and Dad had tons of everything too. Eventually I passed out on Dad's bed...My father was not a man with boundaries. He was full of love, and he was sick with drugs. I woke up that night from a blackout to find myself having sex with my own father."

She talked to "People" magazine about the incest, which had this to say about her experience:

"In 1980, she was fired from One Day at a Time because of her constant drug use. That same year, she went to rehab - with her father. She even toured with him in a band called the New Mamas and the Papas. Her sexual relationship with him had become consensual."

Nope. Not consensual. Not even close. Whether this is the media's understanding of her lack of outward protest or her own internalization of such heinous events, it's not true. She could not have given consent. She was 19 and drugged out of her mind and her father raped her. The trauma of that event combined with her obviously troubled past made her vulnerable to the saddest emotional and mental conditions: Women who are victims of sexual assault are 26 times more likely to abuse drugs and four times more likely to contemplate suicide. She was in no way capable of saying no to a man who had so much influence over her. I doubt incest victims ever are ever capable of consent with their abuser.

According to the National Center For Victims of Crime, "Studies conclude that 43 percent (43%) of the children who are abused are abused by family members...Over 10 million Americans have been victims of incest," most of which is father-daughter."

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Traumatized Brain
written by Child Trauma , September 25, 2009
The father is deluding himself if he believes this is the relationship his daughter wants from her father. I don't know if that father reads this post, but if you do stop what you are doing to your daughter. You are destroying her.

"...The assumption is that since she was a young adult, she could have stopped it. The reality is that she was not able to due what is known as the Stockholm Syndrome, in which people form what is called a "trauma bond" with their oppressors. Because survival depends upon the good will of the oppressor, the abused become infatuated with and bonded to them. The kidnapped heiress Patricia Hearst was a notable example of this. The trauma bond is common to victims of abuse, be they incested children or battered wives, as well as among prisoners of war, cult members, and victims of torture to name a few.

Traumatized people have traumatized brains which Phillips described on the Oprah show when she alluded to having "flashbacks," unwanted, repeating inner images, which she attempted to compartmentalize and block out. A traumatized brain does not respond or bounce back so easily....

...In the book, Traumatic Experience and the Brain, author David Ziegler, the director of a treatment program for abused children, writes that "I have often noticed that the degree of loyalty from a child to an abusive parent seems to be in direct proportion to the seriousness of the abuse the child received. In this counterintuitive way, the stronger or more life-threatening the treatment, the stronger the loyalty from the child."

This is due to the way trauma imprints the brain. It's a misunderstanding when people with normal development and limited experience of abuse, incest, or drugs assume that someone with a very different experience would be able to think, function, or act as they do..."


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exciting incest
written by incester , October 04, 2009
incest is the most exciting sex all over in the world i am muslim from afghanistan and i also like to perform incest action wiht my mother i am alwayes dreaming about mother and son sex relation
i really want to perform that kind action i hop for the day to be change my mom mind and start me sex relation
thx
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written by ana , November 02, 2009
If your daughter is in your bed, but why she should be in her own...2 I think you already had sex with her and have some guilt in you...No father lets his own daugher in bed with him unless he is doing things with her....I do hope your wearing condoms.
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written by ana , November 02, 2009
Why don't you ask her for sex, she will give it to you....Mother and son sex is fabulous that what I heard orgasim for both are explosive...just wear condom
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ling at we can hour
written by nyinyi , November 08, 2009
Those who cry loudest are not always
The Most hurt
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This is clearly a false conversation between these two.
written by iman , December 17, 2009
I want to clear out that incest is not allowed in islam.

Dont talk out of ignorance or foolish ignorant people that tells that islam allows incest.

Or people that allowes what they will and forbit what they want after their lusts in the name of islam!

Fear Allaah
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TO Those who hate ISLAM n Those who dont--
written by believer , December 26, 2009
please all the people who visits here whether u hate ISLAM or NOT

*Incest is Haram in ISLAM.

please visit:: For true guidence--

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1173364173497
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written by zabada , August 22, 2010
This is lie story.Muslim is very shamefull man.If he have relation with his daughter,he dose,nt tell any one,even in conputer.This is story are written to distort Islam adn muslim. you are siick writer.
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damn you shld get another wife
written by go and get married , October 12, 2010
Man I have to say...go and marry or find another wife.

If not you are a bastard ....like an animal with no brain of control over sex.
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written by GR , November 06, 2010
Islam is about 500 years out of date. They still seem to think they are living in the middle ages and not the civilized world. Its no wonder Islam is hated. This guy says he had sex with he's daughter then beat her and threatened to throw her out 'because its wrong'. Sadly this seems like an all to common practice.

Non-believers - atheists under Islam do not have "the right to life ". They are to be killed. According to Islamic culture, sins are divided into great sins and little sins. Among the seventeen great sins, unbelief is the greatest, more heinous than murder, theft, adultery and so on. Courageous apostates aim to skewer the hypocrisies and inconsistencies of a faith that commands the allegiance of a billion people-as well as the hypocrisies of those Western defenders of Islam who would not tolerate its strictures in their own cultures. http://www.iheu.org/node/1540

Are you telling me this is acceptable behaviour? This is NOT a faith. Faith is something you CHOOSE to believe in like christianity or any other religion. The world would be a better place without Islam, it just seems to be propaganda to make other fools of this stupid following to do what they want them to do, including sacrificing thier own families in suicide bombings, because anyone who is a non believer, deserves to die. And, for these great achievements of killing innocent non-muslims, they get to go to paradise and have 7 wives. f**king weirdos.
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written by GR , November 06, 2010
I kinda rambled off topic there, simply due to the amount of things i wanted to say, but chiefly, this is mostly a problem with this religion. Sure it happens in all walks of life, but whether or not incest is 'Haram' according to the Qur'an, it seems an awfully common practice to marry off children to thier cousins etc at what seems like increasingly younger ages. The other factor is, women are nothing short of slaves. They seem to have no value other than to pump out child after child and cook/clean. Every other week there is news of murder because a muslim girl didnt want to marry the person they was arranged to marry, and thats just the cases we find out about. No reasonable human being would have anybody murdered for not marrying who THEY want them to marry. because they "dishonoured the family"?? And this guy wonders why she seems ok with it.

You are ABUSING her, and she is probably too frightened to say or do anything due to the consequnces, i would seriously doubt its consentual to be honest.
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written by GR , November 06, 2010
Quote: Let me also acknowledge that this case should not be seen as Islam-motivated

Really?

Quote: Khan tries earnestly, but unsuccessfully, to have the relationship stopped. The man decides to take his daughter as his wife for life as a "god-written" destiny.

"God-written destiny"... no other religion would talk about marrying thier own daughter as a 2nd wife due to gods destiny.
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incest
written by obaid , December 19, 2010
i think n Quran mentioned you cannot marry you daugther,mothers, sisters etc and didnt mentioned that you did not make sex or name incest sex is biological need of every human in which manner you need you see
so i think that guy didnt do any wrong and above some christians wrote so many bad things about islam pls see your self your mothers and your sisters wearing bra and panty in front of yours or do swiming
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Fake story
written by shaan , February 28, 2011
what a fake story. I can bet Mr.khan and anonymous both are same and not Muslim. Neither a Muslim girl can think a relation like this nor Muslim father. For those who are blaming Islam first see your society which is nothing but sex market where a 10 year old child start to have sex and where new scientist like guy and lesbians exist who are busy in creating new type of disease after HIV and AIDS
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to Shaan - incest is as common in Muslim societies as in kafir ones
written by M. A. Khan, Editor , February 28, 2011
Recent news-reports show incest relationship (including rape) is as common, if not more, in Muslim societies as in non-Muslim ones. Some biggest cases: an Indian father raped his daughter-in-law; Muslim clerics ordered that the daughter-in-law now has to become wife of the father, and her first husband would become her son.

In Singapore, a cleric having at least 4 wives established sexual relationship with his eldest daughter with consent and help of his wives. The daughter fell pregnant and the case came to light. It's understandable that his other younger daughters, when they would come of age, were to go the same way.
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FAKE OR REAL
written by INDREN , March 15, 2011
I dont care the story is fake or real but all i want to say is Mr.Anonymous Muslim PLEASE GO KILL YOUR BY HANG YOUR SELF A _ S H _ L _ ................ help your self to fill in the blanks.
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its shocking
written by rooney , March 23, 2011
Mr Khan,

I am aware that islam is a tolerant religion but tolerant does not imply tolerance to the extent that it fragments our society or causes ripples. This is indeed a one-off case and i agree with you to the extent that violence is not the solution. I believe an amicable solution could be worked for every problem. If the father was initially so worried about his daughter he would have done something about it, notwithstanding his amorous feelings towards her. I am totally convinced that this man had already decided that he was goin to take his daughter as his 2nd wife before he had even started posting his queries. Even so, I am not happy with the way you handled the matter. You have uneccessarily bought islam into the fron. Even though i am neither a muslim or from an islamic nation, i think its preposterous that you used the term religion. We should not be influenced by the religion rather by our beliefs and values. I am sure this man hadnt taught some values to his daughter in her childhood, he shud go back to values and beliefs which keep us humans apart from other species.
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written by A real man , March 30, 2011
I think we should drop a big f**king bomb on all the islamic dominant nations so we won't have to worry about this type of stupidity anymore! f**k you, you ignorant f**k!
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to editor: please remove my post
written by exhausted , April 03, 2011
I tried to use the Contact Us link to make this request but the Captcha image doesn't display so the submit button won't work. My last post is too detailed and could cause problems. Thanks.

Editor: Removed your comment. It was very moving. You may wish to contribute some essays describing your experience with Islam/Muslim societies. our email: admin at islam-watch.org
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this man is crazy
written by disgusted , April 05, 2011
but crazy people exist everywhere. Uncle-neice marriages have been practiced openly in Europe. See see section on "Other consanguineous couples" in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...ed_cousins
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It's not only a muslim have this kind of story
written by orchids , April 05, 2011
Every part around the world, even what kind of religion that you belong too..they have same situation like that...I know one Man, that He do the same.. to Hi's two daughter..and I confront them..But they won't give up..the farther working so hard to give all what hi's daughter need's..not only to lose both them..or to run away from him..and this man said, my daughter will never put me down or bring me to the jail..and beside they are not complaining ..and we like what we are doing..if they lose me..they wont have a future anymore..and he said that they love each other..and he dont care if the daughter will sleep to other guy..as long the daughter back to him and sleeping each other in one bed naked..and dringking together..so I think this people..it's difficult for them to change..because they build this relationship so stronger..and they dont care anymore what people think about them...But I believe God not happy to this kind of father and daughter eating flesh each other..no respect to there self..and no respect to God who created them, and no respect to the people..friend and family who was around them..
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It is OKAY for Muslim and Christian Fathers to have sex with their daughter
written by Dr R Brahmachari , April 05, 2011
Both Muslims and Christians regard Lot (in Bible and Lut in Koran) as a Prophet. Both Muslims and Christians have the right to emulate their Holy Prophets. Prophet Lot slept with his two daughters and made them pregnant. So the Muslim and Christian fathers have the right to have sex with their daughters. The Mughal Emperor Shah Jahan used to have sex with his two daughters and the Muslim clerics did not consider it sinful.
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Its sinful
written by orchids , April 05, 2011
If the father start touching his daughter from her early age..I think this daughter till she grow up she dont care anymore if the father have sex to her, because she think its a part of father and daughter's love.specially if the daughter she enjoying what her father doing to her giving her a pleasure in bed and spoiled her..and even she become an adult and get a boyfriend..she wont never been satisfied and happy to her boyfriend ..she more feel comfortable being sleep with her own father..but its make people sick if they see this kind of relationship..and its not acceptable to the people that have respect to there self and family..so Muslim or Christian or what kind of religion that we are standing and believe, father and mother they should the one must to show to there children how to respect inside the family that they are father and Mother..and beside a mother she must be the one to take good care and explain to her daughter that she must have a boundary to her father..specially if a father have an alcohol problem....
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incest
written by Nasser Khan , May 26, 2011
Its really a bed thing in the society , and now a days this is going to be in huge number,so to stop this sinful activities it needs to take step to stop it. Either by islamic point of view or by law and order
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wrong
written by anonymous , May 26, 2011
I won't blame any religion for the above story whether true or false as almost all religions of the world have strict taboos against incest. The blame squarely lies on Western societies. US and Europe gave so called "Emancipation to Women"- the result , they have worlds highest teenage pregnancies and US has the highest rate of rape cases in the world.Incest is fast spreading in US and European countries due to the unbridled media exposure and fast loosening hold of religion on the society.According to recent research in US published recently, every 15th American has had an incestuous relation in his/her life. Look at the internet-which country launched first pornographic website on internet, the answer definitely is USA or some European country. Almost all this crazy , promiscuous stuff on the internet emerges from the West. O.k, answer this question, which country has killed/murdered/bombed most human beings on earth for the last one century ---the answer is definitely America and European countries.
They want to thrust their distorted values on other societies of the world and in this frenzy they trample all moral values and transgress all ethics.
America calls Osama a biggest terrorist for killing 3 or 4 thousand people (though i detest this terrorist act sternly), but don't call their Presidents biggest Terrorists who have killed Millions of people in Veitnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and completely exterminated the race of Red Indians on their own soil
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Re: Anonymous
written by Karen , May 26, 2011
Here's a little tidbit for you: The "Red" Indians - as you so derogatorily call them -have not been completely annihilated. There are still tribes that exist in America, Mexico, and parts of South America. The modern populations are relatively small compared to their ancestral ones, but they still exist. If you are so concerned with "truths" or "facts," you should stick with scholarship and research rather than making erroenous statements.
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written by david121 , July 06, 2011
hahaha......
its a story for time pass..
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Lol What Christians would do....
written by Laugn at this dumbness , November 10, 2011
Omw... This is so fake I bet u M Khan and the oda person IS 1 PERSON .... What a nut job Im sure as well that he is an American Christian that is trying to push people away from Islam.... I was once a Christian, my dad a pastor... n i hated every second of it.. its a filthy religion where people dont use water to wash their bumz... Disgusting! As a new muslim i am so happy and calm... oh and btw incest is not allowed in islam... Remember christians Caine did it... (rolling eyez)....
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I couldnt agree more
written by Ricardo , November 10, 2011
Hi there "laugn at this dumbness"

I would just like to tell u that I agree with ur comment. It makes sense that this is 1 person... bcz i had a similar case in a community wer this priest decided to degrade moslem ppl by making up this whole story similar to the above mentioned. And about washing the butt part... I have to admit u r correct coz my mum an elder at the church has scoulded me for being like my moslem friends and trying to use water for hygenic pursoses... I fu ghis plz can u reccomend me some books wer i can learn abowt Islam...

Thank you very much
Ricardo
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written by non muslim , December 13, 2011
ur comment is true but islam is a religion which is so wicked..i hope u all will repent and dont follow the quran
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written by tired of islam , December 20, 2011
This article establishes Mr. Khan as a somewhat illiterate Miss Abby to ailing daughter molesters and the like. But I don't know what is the point of publishing it in this site. What facet of islam we are supposed to be watching out for amidst this babble?

Unless the intent is to woo other closet perverts to write their long and desultory crap so Mr. Khan can respond to them with his ideas about how the "all embracing" west can handle it in the most amicable way possible and in the process bemoaning the state of affairs in less enlightened countries be it Islamic or otherwise.
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incest undestood
written by ferdinando , December 21, 2011
I my opinion the death of the mother had very much to do with this incestuous relationship.
There always exists a big reason for this kind of affair. According to Mr. Khan's confession his daughter seduced him. Then she enjoys sex with her daddy. Her sexual waking up was with daddy and she liked. Mr. Kahn did nothing to stop it. Now it´s too late. She liked it very much. May be she might have a boy friend in the future, but as it is said that nothing compares to the orgasms in incestuous relationship.

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