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Islamic Justice: 14-year-old girl raped, charged with adultery and lashed to death in Bangladesh

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The tragic treatment of women in Islamic justice system, the Sharia...


A tragic example of Sharia perversity from Bangladesh provides; gruesome context to the previous blog on the alleged rape victim in Libya, and her ominous predicament.

Below are the salient, if repugnant details, reported by CNN.

Her fellow villagers in Bangladesh's Shariatpur district had already passed harsh judgment on her. Guilty, they said, of having an affair with a married man. The imam from the local mosque ordered the fatwa, or religious ruling, and the punishment: 101 lashes delivered swiftly, deliberately in public. Hena dropped after 70. Bloodied and bruised, she was taken to hospital, where she died a week later. Amazingly, an initial autopsy report cited no injuries and deemed her death a suicide. Hena's family insisted her body be exhumed. They wanted the world to know what really happened to their daughter.

Never mind that this 14-year old girl was raped. Under Islamic Law or Sharia rape is well-nigh impossible to prove, and the female victim typically is accused of "fornication," or "adultery" and lashed, if not stoned. Despite a "ban" by ostensibly overriding secular law, Sharia law and its attendant discriminatory abuses of women compounded by barbaric punishments of these victims, persists in Bengladesh.

Hena was walking from her room to an outdoor toilet when Mahbub Khan gagged her with cloth, forced her behind nearby shrubbery and beat and raped her. Hena struggled to escape, Alya told CNN. Mahbub Khan's wife heard Hena's muffled screams and when she found Hena with her husband, she dragged the teenage girl back to her hut, beat her and trampled her on the floor. The next day, the village elders met to discuss the case at Mahbub Khan's house, Alya said. The imam pronounced his fatwa. Khan and Hena were found guilty of an illicit relationship. Her punishment under sharia or Islamic law was 101 lashes; his 201. Mahbub Khan managed to escape after the first few lashes.

...activist and journalist Shoaib Choudhury, who documents such cases, said sharia is still very much in use in villages and towns aided by the lack of education and strong judicial systems. The Supreme Court also outlawed fatwas a decade ago, but human rights monitors have documented more than 500 cases of women in those 10 years who were punished through a religious ruling. And few who have issued such rulings have been charged.

The United Nations estimates that almost half of Bangladeshi women suffer from domestic violence and many also commonly endure rape, beatings, acid attacks and even death...

Sisters in Islam, a women's advocacy group in Malaysia has reported, that in neighboring Pakistan:

[T]hree out of four women in prison under its Hudud laws, are rape victims. Because rape is equated with zina-adultery/fornication-under Hudud law, rape victims are required to produce four pious male witnesses. It is of course nearly impossible for the rape victims to produce the four male witnesses required to prove their allegation. Therefore their police report of rape was taken as a confession of illicit sex on their part and they were duly found guilty.

In the real world, rape is unlikely to occur in the open, such that four pious males can observe the act of penetration. If they actually did witness such an act, and have not sought to prevent it, then technically they are abettors to the crime. In reality, unless the rapist confesses to the crime, women can never prove rape at all if rape is placed under syariah jurisdiction.

Wednesday November 15, 2006 under ; the Musharraf government a measure was passed removing the crime of rape from the jurisdiction of Islamic law and establishing that it be judged by modern forensic evidence. The legislation angered political parties representing more devoutly Islamic constituencies. They demanded that the new law be withdrawn, claiming otherwise Pakistan would be transformed into a "free-sex zone."

During a marathon debate before the passage of the bill, he Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA) legislators called the bill "un-Islamic" and reiterated their threat to resign. Maulana Fazlur Rehman, opposition leader and MMA general secretary, warned that the bill would "make Pakistan a free sex zone". He said there were several women's rights issues that the bill did not address. He also said the bill was meant to "appease" the United States.

An astute editorial assessment of the reform effort in Pakistan was published in The Washington Times the next day (11/16/2006):

The legislation passed Wednesday by Pakistan's lower house of parliament modifying the country's abominable rape laws is progress both for women's rights and for the rule of secular law, and it should be heeded across the Muslim world...Dropped from the Hudood ordinance is the requirement that rape be tried in Islamic courts, allowing these trials instead to move to criminal courts, based on English common law, where they belong. Also removed is the requirement that a victim's story be corroborated by four male witnesses - an insurmountable hurdle - in order to prove herself a victim of rape and innocent of adultery - a crime that the legislation would ensure is no longer punishable by death.

Andrew Bostom is the author of the New York Times bestseller, "The Legacy of Jihad".

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when Muhammad became tired to control his young wives
written by Ar.khan , April 02, 2011
The orders for women to cover their faces and the orders for stone to death over adulatory were not given before the love affair of Aisha with a young man.

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Wolf and the lamb story
written by non believer , April 02, 2011
Aesop's fable "Wolf and the lamb" describes Sharia laws the best. Criminal is right victim is wrong.
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written by Reed Wilson. , April 02, 2011
Andrew Bostom. Neither Christianity is responsible for the rampant rapes in the West nor Islam should be blamed for such offenses in Bangladesh.

All religions condemn such crimes. It peoples crossing the limits of God which result in such happenings. They have no fear for God and for the accountability.
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Don't blame Islam????
written by Duh_swami , April 02, 2011
This is how the Quran condemns this crime...

Qur'an (24:2):

"The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment."


Let not compassion move you= psychopaths...
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It is not the condenmination of the crime but the administration of justice that is lacking in Islam
written by Clement- The Islam-Watch Past , April 02, 2011
If those Mullahs know the context of those self-serving verses by Mohammed they wouldn't bet their lives and kill the innocents for it.

To Reed Wilson those juggle justices are divine. It is a pitty.
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written by Reed Wilson. , April 02, 2011
Islam-Watch is a mission oriented site. There is nothing wrong with any mission if it is honestly pursuing its objectives.

It is noticed that the articles are of very poor quality. The comments are of the lowest standard. This makes the sanctity of the mission disgusting.

The editor, time and again, reminds the posters to be decent. His call are never heeded. Posters abuse posters.

The rosary of "arabic Pedophile rapist, robber, slave-owner (including sexual slaves such as young Jewish captive girls), and mass murderer of the Jews, is repeated which is most the time out of place.

The readers are requested 'Subscribe to this comment's feed' at the end of each article. But comments are hindered. This is against freedom of expression. The posts detained for review seldom added.

The organizers of this site may give a serious thought to such matters for the sake of beauty of the site.
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Reed
written by duh_swami , April 02, 2011
Whine, sob, snivel, cry...Get a grip man...
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Reed...Stop crying, start explaining...
written by duh_swami , April 02, 2011
Why don't you explain the true meaning of Quran 24:2...
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The Heinous thing that they did to that girl
written by Walter Sieruk , April 02, 2011
Muslims claim to respect the book of Proverbs of the Bible, Well that must just be an enpty claim. For Muslims after what they did to that poor girl, they are evil indeed and don't really care or know about right and wrong. For in that same Bible book they profess to respect reads in 17:15 "Acqutting the guilty and condemming the innocent- the Lord detest them both." [NIV]
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The real historical foundation of Islam, is on the predatory rape of children/women (including captured Jewish girls and boys)!
written by Katharina Sri (ex Noor Aza) , April 02, 2011
We need to continue challenging such Western leftie pretenders who want to silent us with lies, as usual with their pathetic Islamic-Nazism brainwashing propaganda; by ignoring the real historical foundation of Islam, on the predatory rape of children/women (including captured Jewish girls and boys; and that Aisha was a mere 9 year old girl whom Mohammed raped as his ‘wife’) & mass murder of the Jews/non-Muslims, to assert the political dominance of a primitive and savage Arabic cult by Mohammed & his tribe! Further, if we kept such predatory evilness unchallenged, the evilness will actually get worst; thus is why rapists and murderers are jailed for their crimes! But when evil men/women hide their crimes using religion - somehow it has to be tolerated; how barbaric is that? I'm a Christian who're not taught to bow down like slaves to evil! Pedophilia i.e rape of children, and rape of women are normalized in Islam, all imitating Lucifer’s (i.e the Devil) servant, Mohammed! See - http://news.ninemsn.com.au/wor...et-engaged

Children aged three and five get engaged
By ninemsn staff
Oct 23, 2010

Two children, aged three and five, have reportedly gotten engaged in Syria.
Hala and her fiancee Khalid have exchanged rings and plan to marry in 10 years when she is 12 and he is 15.....
According to Syria's English-language Forward Magazine, Syrian marriages are traditionally arranged at an early age for both males and females.
When a boy turns 16, or when he reaches puberty, his female relatives begin searching for a suitable wife around the age of 12 or 13.
If prospects are limited, a matchmaker is hired and together they go knocking on the doors of nearby homes and asking: "Do you have girls for marriage"?......
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Duh_swami, Lucifer must be laughing!
written by Katharina Sri (ex Noor Aza) , April 02, 2011
The world is indeed wicked isn't it - it's like many of the humanity including Westerners are in trance; bowing to the evil Islam and chanting possessed-like. Lucifer must be laughing!
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Credibility of Reed Wilson
written by lw1 , April 02, 2011
Read about credibility of Reed Wilson in the article 'Slavery in Islam' by Amil Imani on 28/3/11.
Christianity or Judaism or Hinduism does not ask for 4 MALE witnesses.In Islam women witnesses have no value in a rape case.
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Mr R Wilson
written by Chanakya , April 02, 2011
whole Quran is a complete joke a book so poorly written that it has no meaning.

as an example:

Please use your knowledge to explain the Sura 111:

111: Palm Fibre
111:1 The power of Abu Lahab will perish, and he will perish.
111:2 His wealth and gains will not exempt him.
111:3 He will be plunged in flaming Fire,
111:4 And his wife, the wood-carrier,
111:5 Will have upon her neck a halter of palm-fibre

Without Hadith or Sira or Tarikh please explain this Sura. Who is Abu Lahab and why is so so called Allah curisng Abu Lahab wife to hell fire?

Qurtan without Haditth, Sira and tarikh is nothing but complete gibberish like the above Sura.

While you are at this please also explain what ALif Lam Mim mean

2:1 Alif. Lam. Mim

If you ask me Alif Lam Mim are the arabic equivalent of WTF - even Allah is saying WTF and laughing at the idotic arabs...
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Reed
written by Amboyduke , April 02, 2011
I "quote" Reed...

"Islam-Watch is a mission oriented site. There is nothing wrong with any mission if it is honestly pursuing its objectives.

It is noticed that the articles are of very poor quality. The comments are of the lowest standard. This makes the sanctity of the mission disgusting.

The editor, time and again, reminds the posters to be decent. His call are never heeded. Posters abuse posters.

The rosary of "arabic Pedophile rapist, robber, slave-owner (including sexual slaves such as young Jewish captive girls), and mass murderer of the Jews, is repeated which is most the time out of place.

The readers are requested 'Subscribe to this comment's feed' at the end of each article. But comments are hindered. This is against freedom of expression. The posts detained for review seldom added.

The organizers of this site may give a serious thought to such matters for the sake of beauty of the site."

There is no way you wrote this Reed...someone else did it or you.
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Duh_Swami...Dead Sea Scrolls Book
written by Amboyduke , April 02, 2011
Take your time finding that book...but I am interested in reading same.
Thanks.
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cricket
written by Raman , April 03, 2011
In the cricket world cup Allah could not save Pakistan from losing to kaffir India. Allah is impotent. God save Allah ha ha
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written by Reed Wilson. , April 03, 2011
To lw1. You write "Christianity or Judaism or Hinduism does not ask for 4 MALE witnesses.In Islam women witnesses have no value in a rape case".

Four witness does not mean four male witnesses. This is the requirement is for adultery or extramarital sex and not rape. In such cases both male and female are party.

There is no mention of rape as such in Quran. Rape is not same as extramarital sex, which, as you know, takes place with mutual consent.
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written by Reed Wilson. , April 03, 2011
Read correctly as:
This is the requirement for adultery or extramarital sex and not for rape. In such cases both male and female are party.

Sorry for inconvenience.
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Rape in Islam
written by balam , April 03, 2011
Rapes seem to be a hobby in Islam.Mohammad committed many rapes.Was he ever punished for that?Why was Mohammad above the laws,he made himself.Mustafa Kemal of Turkey was absolutely right when he called ISLAM AS THE ABSURD THEOLOGY OF AN IMMORAL BEDUINE. In case of rape by a Muslim, you will never find four Muslims men as witnesses because they would also join in.Then you would need another 16 muslim men as witnesses and they would also join in.This is how women are GANG RAPED by Muslims in Muslim countries.That is what happened to Laura Logan -An American jornalist in Egypt recently,who was gang raped by 50 Muslim men and many urinated over her body.Does the West want these animals live beside their families in their countries? Get rid of Muslims as soon as possible in order to live in peace and safety.These SNAKES can never be trusted.Period.
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written by Reed Wilson. , April 03, 2011

duh_swami. "Why don't you explain the true meaning of Quran 24:2.".

The verse is clear. You have given the translation. That is the explanation also.

I dont have much to add there and the caption be "Stop crying stop crying".
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written by Reed Wilson. , April 03, 2011
Chanakya. You write "whole Quran is a complete joke a book so poorly written that it has no meaning".

If it has no meanings it has no meanings. The meanings given by Hadis and sira are not meanings of Quran.

Chanaky are you satisfied with the explanation given by hadis/sira?
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Get a grip.
written by Reed Wilson. , April 03, 2011
duh-swami. My many posts are detained. My friends develop feelings that I was not replying. TGB is waiting for my explanation on Dirham. Also on 37.6. Let me try here if it is thru:

You write “as in 37.6, where it is written that god adorned the lowest heaven with stars. This is quite obviously ancient thinking and modern scientists know very well that it is wrong’.

Scientists have not declared so far that the quranic or ancient concept of stars was wrong. The scientists are yet to confirm the skies. They never denied the existence of sky or skies.


If one cries, there may be reasons for cry. Thanks for wiping tears.
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Reed
written by duh_swami , April 03, 2011
I figured you would have no explanation for the EVIL of 24:2...Just as you have no explanation for the EVIL of 5:33...If parts of the Quran are contaminated with EVIL, the whole book is EVIL...

I did not write about lowest heaven stars 37:6...You have the wrong person for that one...
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written by duh_swami , April 03, 2011
Quran 24:2...'Have no compassion', while killing or torturing other humans... Quran 5:33...Crucifying, amputating hands and feet on opposite sides... beheadings, burnings, stonings, killing apostates and homosexuals, floggings, beatings, rape...'Have no compassion'...

If this is not evil, nothing is...
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Hey amboyduke, so you think I should just be polite to Pedophiles, rapists and mass murderers like the creator of Islam there, do you?
written by Katharina Sri (ex Noor Aza) , April 03, 2011
Hey amboyduke, so you think I should just be polite to Pedophiles, rapists and mass murderers like the creator of Islam there, do you? Why you hate freedom of speech and yet love such Satanic criminal like Mohammed? Get a civilized education instead of kissing Islam and Mohammed's feet and grow up! And I will keep on repeating that Mohammed, the creator of Islam is an Arabic Pedophile rapist, robber, slave-owner (including sexual slaves such as young Jewish captive girls), and mass murderer of the Jews! Too bad for you if you hate to hear me repeating it, but Muslim savages keep killing humanity, is ok for you, it looks like!
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Katharina
written by duh_swami , April 03, 2011
I think Amboyduke was quoting Reed Wilson...
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To Kathrima Sri (ex Noor Aza)
written by Amboyduke , April 03, 2011
Whoaaaaa Lady Jane...LOL

What I was insinuating in my post is that Reed didn't write this post himself...
the syntax and sentence structure was very different than how he normally writes... :-)

My last sentence in my post stated:
"There is no way you wrote this Reed...someone else did it for you."

I wouldn't want to be married to you!!! LOL

Thanks Duh for getting it right...LOL
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Quran has no compassion for Mulhideen …..
written by fineliving56 , April 03, 2011
But muslim Zambezi in the same time ****WANT US TO FEEL COMPASSION WHEN BURNING THE QURAN****
and when we do not feel compassion they try to kill us .

That is Islamic style logic for you!!!!!!!!
does throwing Quran in the Garbage consuetude burning of the Quran ????.

Mulheeda mind want to know …..
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To Reed Wilson
written by lw1 , April 03, 2011
You disqualify 99.9% of Muslims as being Muslims. You rely on Quran only and can't prove which version it is, so why should we believe you and ignore what is actually happening in the Muslim world? You can't prove Quran by quoting from Quran. Most posters on this site have rejected Quran.
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True face of Islam
written by lw1 , April 03, 2011
BBC 3/4/11. Fatal blasts hit Pakistan shrine
At least 7 people have been killed and many more injured in two explosions at a shrine in Pakistan, officials say .
The explosions struck near the Sakhi Sarwar shrine in Punjab, as Sufi Muslim devotees gathered for an annual three day festival.
Sufis, a minority Muslim group who follow mystical beliefs, are regarded as heretical by hardliners.
The cause of the blasts is unclear, but militants have attacked Sufi shrines several times in the past.
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Kathrima
written by fineliving56 , April 03, 2011
You know , some times I do appreciate the compassion in your word against Islam because I hate islam ,may be ,more then anyone .

But *please* can you get a grip on your miss placed accusation against posters ??…it looks like you are not reading and understanding posts thoroughly like you should.

Clearly …you are accusing people of views opposite of theirs like Amboyduke's post.

listen …Muslims ,already brand women ...have brained, subhuman, baby incubator , slaves, hormone on wheels , walking PMS's , and not fit to live with dogs .

Do we have to give them any ammunition to fire at us with …. no

Amboyduke …please I am not implying you are Isalm sympathizer …but we do have to admit even here in the west , women *still* branded hormones on wheels , bad drivers and actually gets payed less then men 1 dollar to .75 cent in the same job,effort and ability.

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Whoooaaaaa!! LOL
written by Amboyduke , April 03, 2011
Ladies please...

Read what I said...I simply said that Reed Wilson could not have composed that post himself...

I most definitely am not an Islamic sympathizer...!!!

I am laughing though!! :-) :-() :-)
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To Reed Wilson-- re Get a grip
written by lw1 , April 03, 2011
You write 'Scientists have not declared so far that the quranic or ancient concept of stars was wrong. The scientists are yet to confirm the skies. They never denied the existence of sky or skies.'
Scientists have not declared anything whether quranic or ancient concept of stars was wrong because they have not been called upon to to do so.
That does not make quranic concept right, scientists have not called it wrong because of danger from Muslims.
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This is a valuable site.
written by lw1 , April 03, 2011
Keep up your good work
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Goldstone Report
written by lw1 , April 03, 2011
BBC 3/4/11. UN Gaza report 'should be buried'
Israel has called on the UN to cancel a report that said it POSSIBLY committed war crimes during its 2008/2009 military offensive in Gaza.
The report's author, South African judge Richard Goldstone, said on Friday that new accounts indicated Israel had not deliberately targeted civilians.
He said that if he had known what he knew now, 'the Goldstone Report would have been a different document'.
Israel's prime minister said the remark meant that the report 'should be buried'.
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Amboyduke
written by fineliving56 , April 03, 2011
I know that …really …I know from your past posts that you are *NOT* Islam sympathizer , IN FACT THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT KATHY SAID .

I am sorry of the miss understanding all I want to say that I am glad you are on my side and the side of all ex muslim and I do appreciate the encouragement from just the sheer Islam criticizing that non muslim do …thanks

It is seems funny sometimes and I try to laugh but I always remember that we still have over 1 billon Muslim zombies living among us and I stop laughing .
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Let Muslims read this page
written by Truth Thirsty , April 03, 2011
Hi All, I am a non Muslim and a regular reader of the posts in this web site. I suppose, instead of fighting or accusing Islam among Ex-Muslims or Non-Muslims if there can be a way to attract Muslims to read these posts. The idea should be not to blame a religion and create a fight but to pull people out of that believe to the open world. BTW, on the subject "BBC 3/4/11. Fatal blasts hit Pakistan shrine", the death toll is 40 as of 19:00 GMT.
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To Reed Wilson
written by lw1 , April 03, 2011
You write, 'There is no mention of rape as such in Quran. Rape is not same as extramarital sex, which, as you know, takes place with mutual consent.'
SO ALLAH CONSIDERS RAPE IS OK?
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truth thirsty
written by fineliving56 , April 03, 2011
It would have been nice to be able to attract or invite Muslims to read the Article or our posts , but the problem is the anger that we ex Muslims , receive for our efforts from them .
when I asked some Muslims including my family to read IW and JW , they acted like I have grown horns right in front of their eyes .
They assume, right a way that JEWS AND JEW LOVERS LIKE THE US , ARE BEHIND ALL ASSUMED ISLAM HATE WEB SITS
when I suggested for them to read from ISLAMIC WEB SITES OF QURAN AND hADEETH TRANSLATIONS, THEY SAY THEY ARE (Islamic sits) ARE MESSED WITH BY THE JEWS.
When I suggested to read the Quran it self with the help of translation because they do not read Arabic , they say that I am disparate and I am trying
to blacken Islam in there eyes and I should be ashamed of my self .

Absolutely it is perfect case of Ostrige head in the sand ...they are so brainwashed, there is hope of reaching them.

THEY...DRIVE...ME....CRAZY.
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Mr Wilson (Reed)
written by Chanakya , April 03, 2011
Mr Wilson,

You ask do i belive in Sira/hadis. That is an interesting question. Sira is hadis laid out in chronology. Hadis shahi or otherwsie generally laid out by topic. So both are hadis.

What is a hadith? a simple explanation is a verbal story in general circulation in the arabic community. The reason for verbal circualtion is that arabs did not have writing or record keeping habit like rest of the civilised world in the 8th century.

Now another major collection of verbal stories or you call them hadis. This collection of verbal stories the muslims call it the Quran. Quran like the Sira, hadis is also a compilation of verbal stories. Alll three Quran, Sira, Hadis were compiled between 120 years to 210 years removed from the purported story.

Thus if Sira or hadis is complete fiction as you claim than so is teh Quran - which is nothing but another collection of stories.

Now offcourse you claim otherwise as you believe in the hadis mentioned in the Quran. So the only way you can have some basis in your belief would be to show the world the Quran that was written during Mohammed's time and carries the seal of approval by Mohammed stating that this Qurna is the complete message.

If cannot offocurse produce the above because it deos not exist. Can you produce a Quran that was in circulation at the death of Mohammed in 632 ad?



thank you.
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To Reed Wilson
written by The Great Buana , April 04, 2011
You are writing that I am waitng for your answer but this is not true. You are not entitled to say that about me. I am not waiting for your incredible stupid and meaningsless answers anymore because I realized that it does not make any sense to talk to people like you.
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To Reed Wilson
written by Archpagan , April 04, 2011
Koran in its present form and Hadis were passed on to posterity by the same people. So, you can t hoodwink nobody. Both are equally true or false, unless you rely on your favorite cosmic logic that Koran is incorruptible.
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Why 0 Why...
written by duh_swami , April 04, 2011
If Allah did not want hadith to exist, why did he write them? Why was he willing to allow them to be passed on and incorporated into the Islamic holy writ?
Allah obviously willed hadith...If they are false, who is he trying to trick? And why?
Is Allah just fooling around with humans as an entertainment or hobby?
Why would a sane god write insane literature?
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written by Reed Wilson , April 04, 2011
duh_swami. I think lashing is lighter than stoning to death which is not prescribed by God in Quran. Nobody would like to be lashed even, I know.

It is a punishment for adultery which is so vehemently forbidden. The adulterer would only receive such punishment when the crime was done in the presence of not less than four people, male or female.

You write '5:33...Crucifying, amputating hands and feet on opposite sides... beheadings, burnings, stonings, killing apostates and homosexuals, floggings, beatings, rape...'Have no compassion".

From where you are quoting all that? Read 5:33. No crucify. It says that they either be crucified or ... Make a difference. Where apostate? Where homosexuals? Where burning? Where beating? Where beheading?Where rape?

I looked for rape in Quran. I could not find it nor its synonyms. If you can show me, I will be only grateful to you.

duh-swami, maintain your level of integrity and do not get carried away in enmity.

"O you who believe, stand up as witnesses for God in all fairness, and do not let the hatred and enmity of a people deviate you from justice. Be just: This is closest to piety; and beware of God. Surely God is aware of all you do. (5:8)

"O you who believe, be custodians of justice (and) witnesses for God, even though against yourselves or your parents or your relatives. Whether a man be rich or poor, God is his greater well-wisher than you. So follow not the behests of lust lest you swerve from justice; and if you prevaricate or avoid giving evidence, God is cognizant of all that you do". (4:135)

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True face of Islam
written by lw1 , April 04, 2011
Yahoo Maktoob. 3/4/11. Gulf Arabs discuss Iran 'meddling'
RIYADH (AFP). Gulf Arab foreign ministers are to meet in the Saudi capital to discuss Iranian interference after Arab world unrest spilled over into some of the region's Western-backed monarchies.
The Iranian parliament's foreign affairs and national security committee had said on Thursday that 'Saudi Arabia should know it's better not to play with fire in the sensitive region of the Persian Gulf.'
The Iranian statement 'fuels sectarianism' the Saudi Consultative Council said.
Kuwait said on Thursday it was to expel an unspecified number of Iranian diplomats for alleged links to a spy ring working for Tehran, ever since the invasion of Iraq in 2003. A Kuwaiti court passed a death sentence on 3 members of the alleged ring, to which Tehran denied any links.
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Allah does not care if somebody is raped!
written by lw1 , April 04, 2011
According to Reed Wilson rape is not mentioned anywhere in Quran. Allah does not consider rape as something serious, so has not mentioned any punishment for rape.
Does that mean he approves of rape?
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You miss the point, people
written by From Chicago , April 04, 2011
Sharia law is meant to be a blessing to the COMMUNITY. As such, individuals have no rights over the community.

An interesting question was posed, I forget by who. When is it acceptable for a government to do something that's not acceptable for a person under that government to do?

Obviously sharia law takes precedence over individual rights. According to this skewed value system, it was for the good of the community for her to be punished. And the community encouraged this because it was "for the community's good."

Welcome to George Orwell's 1984, people. That's sharia law.
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written by Reed Wilson , April 04, 2011
Why 0 Why...
To duh_swami. Again an intelligent question as usual. "If Allah did not want hadith to exist, why did he write them? Why was he willing to allow them to be passed on and incorporated into the Islamic holy writ?

Very good question. Why allah Allows the hadis". Allah has explained this. He has granted allowance to Iblis to misguide the people. This allowance includes all the assistance from God. He will not stop anybody doing shirk even.

Allah will allow Jannah to only people who have qualified themselves for Jannah. This fitness depends on following God and rejecting Shaitan.

One has to earn Jannah through his deeds. Through passing various tests.

This is what I gather from Quran. you can yourself find the answer for your genuine question.


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Reed
written by duh_swami , April 04, 2011
Quran 5:33 speaks for itself...No one needs you to explain it...

duh_swami. I think lashing is lighter than stoning to death which is not prescribed by God in Quran. Nobody would like to be lashed even, I know.

I suppose you approve of lashing which is mostly done to females...I guess no one told you that the lesser of two evils is still evil...If rajam was called for in the Quran would you approve of it?
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Allah the misleader
written by Duh_swami , April 04, 2011
Very good question. Why allah Allows the hadis". Allah has explained this. He has granted allowance to Iblis to misguide the people. This allowance includes all the assistance from God. He will not stop anybody doing shirk even.

So Allah set Muslims up for failure and then punishes them when they fail...A fine Allah that is...And he can't even do that by himself, he has to hire Iblis to do it for him...I wonder what Iblais pay grade is? Does Allah pay him in money (Allah bucks) or slightly used virgins? Is jihad a test? Is killing kuffar and stamping out kufr, examples of good deeds? Good enough for Jannah? Does a pious Muslim go to Jannah and hook up with those virgins by passing the test of jihad?
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written by Reed Wilson. , April 05, 2011
duh-swamai. You observe "I suppose you approve of lashing which is mostly done to females...I guess no one told you that the lesser of two evils is still evil...".

It is most stupidest of your observation. At least I don't remember. I feel like repeating my entire post. The verse says 'to both of them'. If you ponder, none is getting lashes or stripes.

I tell you. You dont do sex in public. Not on South beach or Central Park. Your girl will not agree. Motel people confide. If one or two or three have seen you they will fear 80 stripes.

وَالَّذِينَ يَرْمُونَ الْمُحْصَنَاتِ ثُمَّ لَمْ يَأْتُوا بِأَرْبَعَةِ شُهَدَاءَ فَاجْلِدُوهُمْ ثَمَانِينَ جَلْدَةً وَلَا تَقْبَلُوا لَهُمْ شَهَادَةً أَبَدًا ۚ وَأُولَـٰئِكَ هُمُ الْفَاسِقُونَ

Remember when people brought a girl saying that she was caught in adultery, Jeus raised his head and shouted "where is the boy"? They never turned up. "Go my child they are liars", Jesus allowed her going back.

If rajam was called for in the Quran would you approve of it?

It is a hypothetical question. We dont approve, we submit. He is God.

Adultery, zina, or extramarital sex is forgivable offense. Next verse says:
إِلَّا الَّذِينَ تَابُوا مِن بَعْدِ ذَٰلِكَ وَأَصْلَحُوا فَإِنَّ اللَّـهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ

"Except those who repent after this and reform; and God is surely forgiving and kind". (24:5)

What is required is self control and discipline. I repeat none, either male or female is receiving punishment in normal circumstances.

This obvious from the verses that only those people are punishable who are so bold in indecency that more than four people have seen them doing the act.

"mostly done to females" is outside Quran and not discussed here.

Males are more concerned about females as compared to females about males.

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written by Reed Wilson. , April 05, 2011
duh-swami. Regarding your' very good question', I am grateful to Allah that it is all declared and understood.

Time and again Quran tells that this this the only book to be followed for salvation. If one chooses the other books like hadis etc, giving them place of word of God, it is deliberate revolt or revolt.

لَقَدْ كَانَ فِي قَصَصِهِمْ عِبْرَةٌ لِّأُولِي الْأَلْبَابِ ۗ مَا كَانَ حَدِيثًا يُفْتَرَىٰ وَلَـٰكِن تَصْدِيقَ الَّذِي بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ وَتَفْصِيلَ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ وَهُدًى وَرَحْمَةً لِّقَوْمٍ يُؤْمِنُونَ

Verily in their accounts is a lesson for men of wisdom. This is not a fictitious tale (hadis), but a verification of earlier Books, and a clear exposition of everything, and a guidance and grace for those who believe. (12:111)

duh-swami, at several places. But Muslims don't read or ignore. In both cases they have earned punishment. Thank God I am not among them. They disown me. Let them.
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written by Reed Wilson. , April 05, 2011
Chanakya dear. This duh is a full time job. He would write one liner which requires one meter column.

Let me recycle my above post for duh to answer about hadis and sira.

You write "Thus if Sira or hadis is complete fiction as you claim than so is the Quran - which is nothing but another collection of stories".

If this logic satisfies you, I will not contest. I think this is no logic and will not help you in solving your other problems.

Baral used to grumble in hindi 'humkaren to bladkar, aap karan to chamatkat'. He never told me the meanings. Many times I thought to find. Now I remember. Can you tell me?

In Quran, God declares that it is my message. It is in Arabic language. Revealed through a messenger. Hadis does not make any such claim. Quran endorses other books but not Hadis. It rather says that it is fiction. But this is not my argument Chanakya.
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Am I annoying you liar Reed?
written by Duh_swami , April 05, 2011
Reed...It is a hypothetical question. We dont approve, we submit. He is God.

That was not hypothetical...it was a straight forward question...and you answered it...

Yes, you do approve of lashings because you don't condemn the evil in these corporal punishments...

And if you could find and order for rajam, you would approve of that also...

You have no mind of your own...The Quran has destroyed your ability to think logically or critically...If Allah said to take your cloths off and parade around town naked, would you do it?

You don't approve or disapprove, you just follow orders...That's what the Nazi's on trial at Nuremburg said just before they got hung...'I was just following orders'...

Did Allah take away your conscience? Did the Quran destroy your intelligence? You are then an Allah-robot, good for nothing but following evil orders...

And you accuse me of being stupid...At least I don't follow a fake god with violent tendencies...How stupid is that?

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written by Reed Wilson , April 05, 2011
duh-swami. "And you accuse me of being stupid...At least I don't follow a fake god with violent tendencies...How stupid is that?

I didnt accuse you of being stupid. I was discussing the observation. That too was a comparison.

God would not ask me to do all that. The moment he does such things, he will do so at the cost of his divinity. God has certain properties.

Moreover, God has already asked me whatever he wanted to ask me in Quran.
Now no more instructions from him. I hope you understood this much.


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Demonology is not for the novice...
written by duh_swami , April 05, 2011
What I see is that you refuse to condemn obvious evil because you are afraid of Allah...A phantom of your mind...You approve of all kinds of Quranic evil because according to you, it is from God...Corporal punishment, especially the gruesome kinds dictated by Allah are evil...Muslims are not the first or only people who were infected by the same evil...But Allah is the only god who insists on it, and gives its followers directions on how to do it, and to show no compassion while committing these crimes...Islam is an evil crime against humanity...The Quran is its workbook...What you approve of is evil, but you call evil good...I think there is a scripture that says something about that...'Woe unto them who call evil good, and good evil'...
You have no leg to stand on...You are an intellectual cripple...and it is by choice...No one forced any of this evil on you...You opened the door and invited the demon in...
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Credibility of Reed Wilson
written by lw1 , April 05, 2011
Reed Wilson slavishly believes Quran-every word of Quran.
I challenged him in the article 'Hindu Husband: ... written by Ali Sina on 31 October 2010. On 10 November my question was
'On which 'Muslim' sites do you write to inform people about the true meaning of Quran and under what name?
Reed Wilson replied ' Would you need to know my password also? No I will not tell you everything. Islamwatch is one of them.'
Reed Wilson's refusal to name even the 'Muslim' site he writes on suggests that he is writing only on IW, where we DO NOT ADVOCATE VIOLENCE.
I had accused him of LYING when he called Jizya/Jazya as compensation. He did not answer.
Also I had not asked for his password, only his pseudonym he uses on 'Muslim' site/s to inform them of true meaning of Quran as he sees it.
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In the real world, Muslims are killing Muslims and non-muslims, and they want to force Islam on the whole world.
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Hum Karein To ---
written by Archpagan , April 05, 2011
Reed, ' Hum kaein to balatkar aap karein to chamatkar' is a very ugly expression. It means ' When I do it, it's rape but when you (God or Godly figure) do the same, it's grace'. Perhaps, Mr Boral had Muhammad in his mind. So, he refused to tell its meaning.
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written by Reed Wilson. , April 05, 2011
Dr.Mohan Parshad Baral is a Hindu scientist who was working on hormones. He is my friend. We didnt meet for more than 25 years. I was not a muslim when we were together.

Hindu or Muslim, the expression is not very good and is based on hadis sort of literature. May be Muhammad of Hadis. Thanks.
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Reed
written by TruthSeeker , April 05, 2011
I'd like to bring up a misquote here, you said

Remember when people brought a girl saying that she was caught in adultery, Jesus raised his head and shouted "where is the boy"? They never turned up. "Go my child they are liars", Jesus allowed her going back.

That isnt what happened. A mob had brought her to Jesus accusing her of adultery. They reminded Him of the Mosaic commandment that a woman should be stoned.

Jesus instead merely sat down and wrote in the sand. No one knows what He wrote but many believe that He was writing down the names of all the women these men had been with. And the fact that He was writing in SAND is a symbol of the fact that with true repentance God can wipe away your sins and totally forget them....like brushing away sand.

Anyway, Jesus says to the men He among you who is without sin, let him cast the first stone.

They all went away.

Then Jesus approaches the woman and asks, Where are your accusers? Is there anyone here who has condemned you?

The woman says, No sir.

Then Jesus says Neither do I condemn you. Go now and sin no more.

Paraphrasing here, not quoting directly, but the story is accurate.

Your version claims that there was no proof the woman had committed adultery. But the truth is, she did. No one is denying it. But because we are all born sinners, Jesus chose not to single her out for punishment but to FORGIVE.

A compassionate act not seen by Muhammad or your moon-god Allah


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But because we are all born sinners
written by Duh_swami , April 05, 2011
Not me...I was not born with sin, and I have committed no sins...I reject the accusation out right...You believe in sin because a book or a preacher told you you were sinful, and you felt guilty enough to buy into that myth...Now that you have it, you can't get rid of it...Your blanket opinion, that we 'all' were born into sin does not apply to me...If you try and apply it to me, you are committing an act of black magick...You may. in my opinion. speak about your own sin, but do not talk about mine...You will have nothing to say...because the pages in my book of sins is blank...
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would it be a wonderfull world without lawa?
written by dead or alive , April 05, 2011
Yes it would! Unfortunate for worlds most dangerous animal,man.We need laws to to keep each from others throats.Sin is not a dirty word,Its mans condition.What i do not like say is,man is born messed up.
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written by Reed Wilson. , April 06, 2011
To TruthSeeker. You write “I'd like to bring up a misquote here, you said”
A misquote, it may be but I think the way I stated was nearer to the truth. I did not believe the story because if it was Mosaic commandment, Jesus would not have taken even a second to decide stoning of the poor girl. I know Jesus. He resides in me. I have simulated him and the real Christianity is enshrined in me.
Since adultery can not affect without partners and male is equally punishable, Jesus must have called for the boy. Why did the ‘mob’ catch the girl only?

“With true repentance God can wipe away your sins and totally forget them”, “Where your accusers are “Then Jesus says neither do I condemn you and "Go now and sin no more” is the truth. The ‘Moon God’ says:

وَالَّذِينَ يَرْمُونَ الْمُحْصَنَاتِ ثُمَّ لَمْ يَأْتُوا بِأَرْبَعَةِ شُهَدَاءَ فَاجْلِدُوهُمْ ثَمَانِينَ جَلْدَةً وَلَا تَقْبَلُوا لَهُمْ شَهَادَةً أَبَدًا ۚ وَأُولَـٰئِكَ هُمُ الْفَاسِقُونَ ﴿٤﴾ إِلَّا الَّذِينَ تَابُوا مِن بَعْدِ ذَٰلِكَ وَأَصْلَحُوا فَإِنَّ اللَّـهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ

“Those who defame and accuse chaste women and do not bring four witnesses should be punished with eighty lashes, and their testimony should not be accepted afterwards, for they are profligates, If they repent after this and reform themselves; God is surely forgiving and kind”. (24:4-5)

Do you know ‘simulated’? Then you understand everything.


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Allahs kindness awaits you...
written by duh_swami , April 06, 2011
So the god who is forgiving and kind would have his submitters lashed 80 times...or their limbs amputated, or crucified, or beheaded...This probably is kind of Allah, who is so kind and forgiving that he has much more in the way of severe punishments waiting in his dungeon, torture chamber, and furnace room in his basement...Is this kindness or evil?
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written by fineliving56 , April 06, 2011
It is evil with a twist of warped kindness only a sick muslim mind , would concoct .
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written by Reed Wilson , April 06, 2011
duh_swami. Do you understand simulated? If you understand simulated, you understand everything including Allahs kindness awaits you...".

Think you refer 5:33. I recite for you:

"Those who wage war against Allah and his message, and go about the earth spreading mischief -indeed their recompense is that they either be done to death, or be crucified, or have their hands and feet cut off from the opposite sides or be exiled. Such shall be their degradation in this world; and a mighty chastisement lies in store for them in the World to Come (5:33)

Do you want to be kind to them? You may deserve to be God.
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Q . 5/33
written by fineliving56 , April 06, 2011
***THE EVIL*** IN 5/33 IS CUTING HANDS AND FEET OF THE NON MUSLIMS AND MULHEDEEN .

***THE WARPED KINDNESS*** IS CUTING FROM OPPOSITES so these people could at least function without the help of anyone …THANKS FOR SMALL FAVORS .

that is the logic of Quran/muhameed/Allah ….TRASH
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Reed...The book of evil has bugs that jump...
written by duh_swami , April 06, 2011
You are as evil as your god and your book...because you call evil good...You have consistently avoided the issue of evil, while attempting to justify it, by calling it something else...Thus ducking the issue...You may not be inherently evil, but your constant interaction with the Quran is causing its evil to rub off on you...it shows in your posts...
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True face of Islam
written by lw1 , April 06, 2011


What sparked the Zamalek pitch invasion?
Apr 06, 2011 at 17:52



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CAF disciplinary board to meet over fan violence
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Zamalek fans invade pitch, match abandoned

By Peter Harrison, Yahoo! Maktoob. 6/4/11
A pitch invasion by hundreds of apparent fans of the Egyptian football team, Zamalek, has sparked a flood comments in the social stratosphere after players and officials were attacked on Saturday, April 2, 2011, drawing some to conclude the events had little or nothing to do with the match.

The crowd invasion forced the abandonment of the Champions League clash with the Tunisian team, Club Africain, after Egyptian, Ahmed Gaafar headed a goal which was disallowed when the Algerian officials ruled him offside.

Within moments the players and officials were surrounded by gangs of people who had spewed out from the grandstands onto the pitch, some arming themselves with makeshift weapons.

With the violence happening a relatively short time after the deadly revolutions in Egypt and Tunisia where hundreds were killed, there have been many asking questions about who was behind the clash.
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Quran is more than 60% threats and hatred

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Reed
written by TruthSeeker , April 06, 2011
You said

A misquote, it may be but I think the way I stated was nearer to the truth. I did not believe the story because if it was Mosaic commandment, Jesus would not have taken even a second to decide stoning of the poor girl. I know Jesus. He resides in me. I have simulated him and the real Christianity is enshrined in me.
Since adultery can not affect without partners and male is equally punishable, Jesus must have called for the boy. Why did the ‘mob’ catch the girl only?


First of all, you got the story wrong. No one in the story, not even Jesus, denied she had committed adultery.
Second, ALL of us are born sinners worthy of death for our sins. The Mosaic commandment was for a perfect community who obeyed God perfectly. Something that God knew in advance would never happen.

That is why Jesus forgave the woman even though He knew she had sinned. All those who had wanted to stone her were equally guilty and thus had no business judging her. THAT is why Jesus said, He among you who is WITHOUT SIN, let him cast the first stone.

No one really knows where the man went in this story but one of the main points to the story was that Jesus was equally forgiving of women as well and men, in a culture where women were often treated like whores even in spite of the teachings of Scripture that give women high status in Jewish culture

Secondly if you are a Muslim you do not enshrine Christianity because if you did then you would believe God's truth that Jesus is Lord come in the flesh for sinful men, and that accepting His blood sacrifice is the only way to salvation and eternal life. You would accept the holy bible as God's unadulterated truth, and reject all other "holy" books as lies
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DuhSwami
written by TruthSeeker , April 06, 2011
You said that you werent born in sin and have comitted no sin.

You never even so much as mouthed off to your parents, pushed around your little brother/sister, cheated on a test, used four letter words.......

Even the littlest things like this are sins. God doesnt discriminate between minor stuff and murder or bank robbery, or whatever. Sin is sin in His eyes....Sorry but you are a sinner, I am a sinner, all of us are sinners.

Jesus' only mission on earth was to die for our sins. If anybody could be born perfect (sorry all you Roman Catholics out there but Mary wasnt born sinless either), then Jesus would never have had to die for any of us.

But this is way off topic
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14 year old girl held on adultery charge
written by lw1 , April 06, 2011
14-year-old held on UAE adultery charge
Apr 05, 2011 at 15:05
By AFP
DUBAI (AFP) - A 14-year-old Arab schoolgirl has been detained on a charge of adultery for the past two weeks and forced to undergo a virginity test in the United Arab Emirates, a newspaper reported on Tuesday.
Gulf News said police in the conservative emirate of Ajman had arrested the teenager after she met up with her boyfriend on the roof of her family home.
She has since been forced to undergo a gynaecological examination which "confirmed she was still a virgin", the unnamed girl's father was quoted as saying by the English-language daily.
"The police have ruined the future of my daughter as she missed the school exam. She has been in police custody since March 22," the father protested, adding that bail had been refused and the girl was being held with adult women.
The paper said the man involved in the case, in his mid-20s, was later arrested in in a neighbouring emirate.
"When police called me to report along with my daughter to the CID, I was clueless about what they wanted from me and from her," said the father, whose nationality was also not disclosed.
"I took ... (her) to police where I learnt that someone had complained against her that she was meeting an adult man on the roof of our building ... I told the police that I would handle the matter within the family."
But police arrested the girl and referred the case to Ajman's public prosecutor on an adultery charge.
"Police surprised me when they said she should go behind bars and I had to go back home without my daughter. I do not see the point in ruining the little girl's life and image," the distraught father said.




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written by Reed Wilson. , April 06, 2011
TruthSeeker. Thank you for a pretty detailed post. Please allow me to clear some points from you concerning your post.

You write “First of all, you got the story wrong. No one in the story, not even Jesus, denied she had committed adultery”.

There is no question of Jesus accepting or denying the sin. How could he deny or accept?

You write “That is why Jesus forgave the woman even though He knew she had sinned. All those who had wanted to stone her were equally guilty and thus had no business judging her. THAT is why Jesus said, He among you who is WITHOUT SIN, let him cast the first stone”.

Do you mean to say that Jesus believed in stoning to death? Can Jesus forgive the sins? Bible says:

Galatians 6:7 do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.
Galatians 6:8 “For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.

You write “No one really knows where the man went in this story but one of the main points to the story was that Jesus was equally forgiving of women as well and men, in a culture where women were often treated like whores even in spite of the teachings of Scripture that give women high status in Jewish culture”.

The man is the main and active character of story. He is conspicuously missing. You are saying that he was also forgiven by Jesus. I am surprised. Which culture you are referring to? What is bad in a whore? A whore is a professional entertainer and is much better placed than clergies who misguide people and lead them to hell. But this is off the point.

I hope you will kindly agree that I don’t need a certification from you about my Christianity. It is between God and me.


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TruthSeeker
written by Duh_swami , April 06, 2011
You never even so much as mouthed off to your parents, pushed around your little brother/sister, cheated on a test, used four letter words....

No, and I reject your defining sin for me...You are practicing black magick...I am under no obligation to take your second hand opinions as gospel...You can jump up and down all you want, I am unaffected...I suggest you concentrate on cleaning up your own house...
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written by Duh_swami , April 06, 2011
Why was that post taken for review???????????????????????????????????????????????????

To Truthseeker...You don't get to define sin for me...You need to concentrate on cleaning your own house...If I want to get your opinion of how sinful I am, I will ask for it...
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To Truth Seeker
written by Archpagan , April 07, 2011
"Jesus' only mission on earth was to die for our sins."

German philosopher Nietzsche condemned such theory as 'idealist arrogance'. According to him Jesus Christ was a Buddhist, who wanted to teach his disciples the principle of non-resistance/ non-violence.
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written by Reed Wilson. , April 07, 2011
To Truthseeker. Instinctive actions can not be and should not be branded as sin to glorify Jesus Christ. He is already glorified and doing that to him is not friendship with him. It is rather stupid.

One thing commendable of Mr. duh-swami. He is not lenient against his conscience.

He only can behold
With unaffrightened eyes
The horrors of the deep
And terrors of the skies.


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One thing commendable of Mr. duh-swami. He is not lenient against his conscience.
written by Duh_swami , April 07, 2011
It would be bad enough if 'sin' actually existed, but it is worse to have an unhealed healer apply it to you...Someone famous once said...'Physician, heal thyself'...

Another wrote 'Hey teacher, leave those kids alone'...
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written by Reed Wilson. , April 07, 2011
Since Jesus knew that he was to die for the sins of the humanity, he postponed punishment of the woman who was caught by a 'mob' in act of adultery. Nor he insisted to produce the male accomplice.
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Allah needs help!
written by lw1 , April 07, 2011
According to Reed Wilson , rape has not been mentioned in Quran. So Allah does not consider it a serious enough offence or even an offence. That is why there is no punishment in Quran for rape. Even ABROGATION can't help Allah here.
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True face of Islam
written by lw1 , April 07, 2011
Egypt says Arab identity of Gulf a 'red line'
Apr 06, 2011 at 19:36
Egypt has said Gulf states' Arab identity is a "red line" after they accused Iran of trying to destabilise Bahrain, while praising a Saudi-led force that quelled pro-democracy protests there.
In a statement, Egypt's foreign minister Nabil al-Arabi said "the stability and Arabhood of the Arab Gulf countries is a red line against which Egypt rejects any trespass."
The statement was in response to an Gulf ministerial meeting on Monday that accused Iran of interfering in Bahrain and Kuwait in a bid to destabilise the region.
The protests in Bahrain were spearheaded by the country's marginalised Shiite majority, prompting Gulf states to accuse Shiite Iran of orchestrating the protests in the Sunni-led country.
The government says 24 people including four policemen were killed in the crackdown, which according to the United Nations saw arbitrary arrests and killings and seizure of medical facilities.
Bahraini police have been reinforced with more than 1,000 armoured troops from Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states, but the foreign forces have kept a low profile.
Arabi said that Gulf countries "succeeded in moving in a coordinated fashion to preserve the security of Bahrain, giving a practical application to the concept of collective security in the Gulf region."
Egypt itself has had no formal diplomatic relations with Iran for decades but Arabi said earlier this week his country wished to improve ties with the Islamic republic.

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True face of Islam
written by lw1 , April 11, 2011
Yahoo Maktoob. 11/4/11
By AFP
KUALA LUMPUR (AFP) - Thousands of Malay-language bibles impounded over their use of the word "Allah" are to be stamped "Christian Publication" in a bid to end a row with Muslims, the government said Sunday.
More than 35,000 bibles have been confiscated in the past two years after objections from Islamic leaders that Allah should not be used by non-Muslims.
The holy books were later offered for release but most of them had already been stamped with serial numbers, government seals and the words "For Christians Only", an act that Christians said amounted to "desecration".
Idris Jala, a minister in the Prime Minister's Department, said that under a new deal with Christians, bibles headed for Sabah and Sarawak state on Borneo island, which are majority Christian, would be returned without any form of official marking and those already marked would have the stamping revoked.
The holy books were seized by customs officials after the government said the use of "Allah" as a translation for "God" in the Malay-language could encourage conversion, which is illegal for the country's Muslims.

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Reed
written by Machmoed , April 28, 2011
Since Jesus knew that he was to die for the sins of the humanity, he postponed punishment of the woman who was caught by a 'mob' in act of adultery. Nor he insisted to produce the male accomplice.


dying for others is a sin in Judaism and Islam (nobody can die for the sin of others, every individual is accountable for it's deeds). Accpording to quran Jesus did not die at all, Allah took him (to heaven) and replaced him with a look alike instead. As a muslim you already knew this, so why writing something like that? Are you also a christian?
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written by XXX , July 30, 2011
iam a muslim and i really hate my religion
people hate me for no reason because of my religion
this is what causes us to hate other people and blow ourselves up(lolXD)


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