Jones burned the Koran, he says, because it inspires violence against non-Muslims. Muslim fanatics turned around and proved his point by committing koranically inspired violence against non-Muslims.
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Sometimes the obvious needs to be stated, especially when there is so much at stake. In this case, what is at stake are not only human lives but also the very heart of individual freedom. Because of violent reactions from many in the Muslim world, American politicians are seriously considering enacting anti-Constitutional restrictions on free speech, a shocking treachery that plays right into the hands of fascists.
"Here's the obvious: Jones burned the Koran, he says, because it inspires violence against non-Muslims. Muslim fanatics turned around and proved his point by committing koranically inspired violence against non-Muslims."
I refer, of course, specifically to the fracas wherein Christian fundamentalist preacher Terry Jones "tried," "convicted" and then burned a copy of the Muslim holy book, the Koran, with the typical violent response from thousands of rabid Muslims rampaging and murdering. Here's the obvious: Jones burned the Koran, he says, because it inspires violence against non-Muslims. Muslim fanatics turned around and proved his point by committing koranically inspired violence against non-Muslims.
Frantic fingerpointing
Naturally, instead of the blame for the murders and mayhem being laid at the feet of the killers, Jones is being assailed for the carnage, as if burning a book is comparable to murdering human beings!
"Saudi Arabia and other Muslim areas burn hundreds to thousands of Korans every year... Saudi forces are alleged to have burned a Koran in Bahrain just this past week."
It should be noted that Saudi Arabia and other Muslim areas burn hundreds to thousands of Korans every year, in order to dispose of them. Saudi forces are even alleged to have burned a Koran in Bahrain just this past week, while destroying a mosque there. Did Afghans and others go out and slaughter Saudis because of this act of desecration? No, because the Afghan president didn't get them all riled up, like he did with the infidel Terry Jones. Why not blame Hamid Karzai, then, for the savage behavior of his constituents?
Eroding freedoms
It's obviously not the burning that's the problem but the criticism; it's the pointing out that the Koran and Islam are violent which sadly elicits this violence. The restrictions on our speech and expressions will not cease with a ban on burning the Koran; we will be further compelled not to "insult" Islam, Mohammed and the Koran in any way, shape or form, including telling the truth. We will then simply be dhimmis or second-class citizens in a global Islamic caliphate under sharia law. That's how it works.
"We simply cannot allow our freedom of speech and expression to be destroyed."
So what do our politicians do? They capitulate to this egregious assault on our freedoms, forcing us into cowed dhimmitude and proving that violence and terrorism pay, so long as they are part of a religion. We simply cannot allow our freedom of speech and expression to be destroyed - these civilized liberties and human rights are what distinguish us from savagery and tyranny.
Houston, we've got a problem - and it's been around a lot longer than Terry Jones. And it's going to get a whole lot worse if we keep appeasing and allowing that thin edge to wedge itself any further. Time for the world to wake up!
Who is to blame?
Someone once told me about another person burning my first book, The Christ Conspiracy. Although I take my work very seriously, I laughed when I heard that. I did not go on a violent rampage, slaughtering dozens of innocent people. If I had, would the person who burned my book be to blame in any way?
"Saudis and other Muslims regularly burn, spit on, urinate on or otherwise desecrate Bibles."
Moreover, the Saudis and other Muslims regularly burn, spit on, urinate on or otherwise desecrate Bibles - do these acts cause Christians to rampage through the streets and national governments to condemn the instigators? Are these desecrators of non-Muslim holy texts being hauled off, having their freedom of expression removed - a religious right, in their eyes?
We are constantly reminded not to blame Islam for the bad behavior of countless Muslims, so why are Muslims excused for murdering people whose only "crime" is being a non-Muslim in the wrong place at the wrong time?
Are Muslims being held to a different - lower - standard? To be coddled like violent sociopathic children or treated like subhuman animals who just can't control themselves? Isn't that a more derogatory perspective of Muslims than is criticizing their "holy text," full of hatred and calls to violence against non-Muslims?
In deflecting the blame off the killers and restricting non-Muslim freedoms, Islamist fanatics will simply learn that violence pays, like schoolyard bullies who are never dealt with. This sort of censorial cowardice could be considered negotiating with terrorists!
Muslim-on-Muslim crimes against humanity
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And where is the outrage against "Islamically sanctioned" carnage perpetrated by Muslims against other Muslims? Like the victims of this latest uproar, are the Muslim Bengalis, as one infamous example, to blame somehow for provoking their own genocide, which has been forgotten by the world? Are hundreds of thousands of murders and rapes of Bengalis unworthy of outrage, while a book is to be protected by all means, including slaughter as well as tyrannical restrictions of freedom? The very book used to justify these atrocities?
Bengali Muslim: Genocide and rape 'Islamically sanctioned'
Kasem: Born in Bangladesh, I attended the secular schools as well as underwent strict religious discipline, and digested religious preaching.... When I was nine, a typical Mulla taught me the Islamic rituals (like prayer, ablution, fasting), and how to recite the Qur’an correctly. He also taught us that Muslims are the only inheritors of the earth, that we must never mix with the non-Muslims, we must hate them, humiliate them verbally, and if possible, physically.
In high school, I discovered a world beyond Islam. I met a few Hindus and two Christians. I found them extremely polite, peace-loving, sincere, and affable. Unfortunately, communal riots broke out in India and Bangladesh (then known as East Pakistan ). One of my Hindu friends was brutally murdered by Islamist fanatics. This was a life-changing experience, as I witnessed the mutilated dead bodies of my friend, his parents, and siblings. When I discussed this with a few Muslim gentlemen (moderate Muslims) they told me that the Hindus deserved to be killed; there should not be any Hindus in our Muslim land. Further, I learned from them that in Islam, there is a great reward for killing the non-Muslims.
"A local Imam took out a Qur'an, read a few verses, and told me the genocide and mass-rape was a hundred percent Islamic-sanctioned."
In a few years our struggle for autonomy took the shape of a Liberation Movement, seeking freedom from economic and political domination of West Pakistan, which was a strict Islamic country. In 1971 the Islamic Army of Pakistan let loose a genocide, killing around 3 million Bengalis, and raping around 250,000 Bengali women. Local Islamists helped their barbarity in every way. They justified their actions by Qur’an, ahadith, and Sharia laws. After independence, I talked about it with a local Imam. He took out a Qur’an, read a few verses, and told me the genocide and mass-rape was a hundred percent Islamic-sanctioned. He said the Bengali Muslims have deviated widely from the real Islam, and as such, they deserve Allah’s punishment, and the Pakistani army did just that to purify us. Shocked, I decided to read the theological sources of Islam.
What I discovered horrified me. It was beyond my comprehension that a religion, touted to be the religion of peace could contain such blood-curdling, terrifying, barbaric verses, cultures, and laws to entice the entire Islamic community to slaughter the infidels and the not-so-good Muslims....
There is much, much more at that must-read article, including lists of the numerous koranic verses and hadiths used over the centuries to justify violence to the tune of some 270 million dead. Is it really difficult to understand why someone would object to such a book?
Further Reading
Bangladesh genocide and rape forgotten
Bangladesh Genocide Archive
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written by Clement- Islam-Watch Pastor , April 06, 2011
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written by Katharina Sri (ex Noor Aza) , April 06, 2011
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written by Duh_swami , April 07, 2011
Maybe, but at the present time, Islam is trying a little harder...Maybe where you live it's different, but where I live Christianity is zero threat to me...
written by Katharina Sri (ex Noor Aza) , April 07, 2011
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written by Malem , April 08, 2011
written by Duh_swami , April 08, 2011
You know this for a fact? Have you attended his church on Sunday mornings? Where can I get quotes from Jones wanting gays dead, or praising the death of US soldiers?
I think you are having a fit of mistaken Identity syndrome...Those quotes sound like those from the Westboro Baptist Church, not Jones...The people supporting Jones and Quran burning are mostly conservatives...A conservative would never support Jones if he insulted the US military...Where is you condemnation of the Muslim murderers who killed all those people in Jones name? Were all those deaths worth it to that minute minority of Muslim trouble makers...Just how many is that, the few who are acting up? Why does it seem they are living all over the world and acting up all over the place if there are only a few? If they are just misunderstanding something about Islam, can you explain why they al seem tol misunderstand it in exactly the same way?
written by Katharina Sri (ex Noor Aza) , April 08, 2011
written by Duh_swami , April 08, 2011
written by Malem , April 08, 2011
written by duh_swami , April 08, 2011
written by LingaYa , April 08, 2011
Obsessional desire for one-sided peace mostly leads to hypocritical appeasement which can be considered as a political correct term for being blackmailed or acting out of paranoid fear.
But at some stage you got to conquer your fears, if something is reasonable and justified I stand up for it, you can only be tolerant and peaceful to a certain limit, but if you keep giving up to people threat forever, than one day they will say that we have to sleep with your wife and children or we will get offended and kill someone.
As long as a person paid the price for a material object and bought it legally it becomes his property and he can destroy it, if he wants, even if it’s a religious book. If Muslim are so offended then they should stop selling their holy books to non-believers.
Regarding reading the Koran, what Muslims have achieved after reading it for thousand years, which may be a motivation for me to read it. Why can’t they read it first and build something like Egyptian Pyramids with their koranic science, then they don’t need to scream all day about its merit, people will know what they posses by their deeds. If there Allah can create whole universe, why cannot he create something simpler like pyramids, or its too hard for the little pest ?
I prefer to follow kafir knowledge because they can build things which Allah and Muslims cannot even dream about and on top of that Muslims cannot even break it with their koranic science.
Bamyian Buddha was standing in Afghanistan for thousand years and making Muslims go crazy day and night and they were helpless before it. Finally it’s the explosives invented by kafirs which they used to destroy it. So the evidence shows that Muslims and Allah cannot do anything more than monkeys without the technical knowledge of kafirs.
written by Malem , April 09, 2011
The Dove Center promotes virulently anti-gay beliefs. On August 2, 2010, the church protested against the town's openly gay mayor at Gainesville's City Hall. On its blog, the church describes homosexuality as "detestable, indecent, wicked, offensive, perverted, shameful, unnatural, degrading, impure, futile, foolish, godless, dishonorable, a lie."
Earlier, in April 2010, during the mayoral run-off, the church erected an anti-gay sign, "No homo mayor" on its property. In a video posted that same month, Terry Jones declares, "We've got us a homo mayor, with of course a homo agenda. He would like to teach your kids that homosexuality is correct, ok, proper, good. That cross-dressers are not perverts." In the same show, he later states, "Homosexuality is of the devil! Homosexuality is a sin. Homosexuality leads to hell."
written by duh_swami , April 09, 2011
You also said that Jones was quoted insulting the US military...Where's your quote about that?
written by Reed Wilson. , April 09, 2011
God has not suggested people to punish any punishment to them.
Throwing gays into the fire, or throwing them off tall buildings, or hanging them is greater sin. This is actually fisad fil arz which is punishable under 5:33
Those criticize the punishment as inhuman are equally responsible for the crime.
written by Reed Wilson. , April 09, 2011
Islam does not prescribe punishment for homosexuality in this world. They should be told that it is a sin. They should repent and reform. God is forgiving.
written by Demsci , April 10, 2011
But he explained why he burned the Quran. Because it contained many hateful texts towards non-Muslims. And we could argue that burning the Quran is a good protest-action, because it so effectively stirs up feelings among so many Muslims. It get's their attention, they react, and then the media report about it and many people consider what the Muslims do themselves that is shocking (like destroying many bibles and even churches) and what the Quran actually says.
And with only friendly polite requests both the Muslims and media and the great majority of people would not have heard of and thought and talked about very legitimate, justified, urgent appeals to Muslims to change their behavior and allegiances.
So in a way intransigence, stubborn refusal to consider friendly protests, Muslims provoked Terry Jones and the approval of quran-burning of so many citizens.
And what we now see is the old logical fallacy; When Muslims don't want to consider and discuss the message, voila, they start to discredit, smear the messenger, Terry Jones, as you just did on this thread.
written by Demsci , April 10, 2011
Only it isn't fair IMO. Criticism on Muslims and Christians should IMO be more a question of allegiances. You see, in democracies we give power to the people as much as we can. The Christians, certainly Terry Jones, en masse subscribe to all Democratic essential laws and principles.
But on blogs like Islam Watch, FaithFreedomInt, Jihad Watch, AtlasShrugs mountains of evidence or clues are daily shown that Muslims have their primary allegiance to the Ummah,with a majority of very anti-democratic members, and to some decidedly anti-democratic laws, like death-penalty for apostasy, unequal treatment of men and women, etc. And it seems that the vast majority of Muslims have that allegiance, as is ordained by Islam. Indeed it seems that this allegiance is a must for a Muslim.
It could be argued that for that Muslims have a "collective responsibility" which Christians don't have. Because if you asked the majority of Muslims about their primary loyalties and did the same with the majority of Christians the outcome would be very different among these groups.
And the good part about this situation is that the Muslims have the opportunity to actually switch sides, away and against the so-called radicals, and towards the side of the Democratic people. And Muslims like you we never hear saying that Democracy is a problem for you but we often hear you demanding not to “tar yourself with the same brush as the "radicals', the terrorists”.
But still almost no Muslim will openly break with the Ummah and join the Democratic community. And many of us believe that that is because Islam simply cannot be reformed, and that Muslims somehow refuse to acknowledge that.
But proudly declaring to all those media, politicians and media, that Muslims have a better alternative for the Democratic system, and accepting all the consequences, would be the admirable thing to do for them.
written by Malem , April 10, 2011
written by Duh_swami , April 10, 2011
'Most moderate Muslims do not have a facination with the Ummah as many outside the religion say they do, its just not there'
Then you have an ummah full of apostates..haha, It is not me you have to answer to, it is Allah, and maybe a few pzzed off Wahabbi's....I wonder what it is like to be on the sht list of thousands of rabid Salafists...One thing Allah hates is moderates...He considers you moderate people kufr and his attitude about you is best expressed in Quran 98:6...And if you come directly to his attention, he may will you the effects of Quran 5:33...He will show you what you have done...If I were you, I would pray more often and a little harder...
written by Demsci , April 10, 2011
written by Demsci , April 10, 2011
written by Demsci , April 10, 2011
About Democracy and Islam. Let us talk about their relationship with ever increasing knowledge of how and where both of them work, what both of them want in the long run. It seems you think there are Democracies, there are Islamic nations with tyranny, and there are a great many of them. And then there are somehow the Islamic Democratic state of Turkey and a group of Democratic Muslims.
But knowledge of both Islam and Democracy tells us their laws are sometimes clearly at variance with each other. Also the interests of Democratic nations and those of tyrannical Islamic nations are at variance with each other. It seems clear to Islam-wise Democrats that combination of the 2 cannot happen with Islam in control, only with Democracy in control.
Which will Muslims choose? Islamic Tyranny or Democracy? Dare they openly declare which side they choose? Moderate Muslims are only Muslims who are less Islamic than normal Muslims. But Muslims could now, with all the available evidence also be considered simply TOO LESS Democratic, or anti-Democratic.
Will Democratic, not mere moderate, but really Democratic Muslims initiate Islamic Democratic groups, with Democratic conditions on membership?
Or will moderate Muslims honestly admit that their being Muslim simply forces them to choose the sides of tyrannical groups with anti-democratic laws and principles? As they can be considered doing now, in view of all the evidence?
Or will moderate Muslims arrogantly but ignorantly or very possibly downright dishonestly only obfuscate and deny and try to shut down highly desirable clarification&choice-debates with ad hominem-attacks or even violent attacks on critics? Will they forever use invalid Tu Quoque-tactics, like comparing islam with Christianity? Will they futilely attempt to hide the truth, even when very Islam-knowledgeable Islam-critics, with arab-speaking apostates among them, clearly show the world the principles, laws and aims of Islam?
Perhaps indeed soon many Muslims will realise that Islam cannot conquer the world anymore and they will realise that time is running out for Islam even in consolidating it's current numbers and power. Because of the exponential increase in all sorts of technology. And because of the Terry Jones's, Geert Wilders's and all those Democratic watchdogs and their exponently growing number of followers.
And perhaps soon vast numbers of Muslims will indeed only want to submit to all of Democracy and they will reject firmly those who still want Islam to be supreme, in most currently Islamic nations.
written by Duh_swami , April 10, 2011
written by Kapil , April 14, 2011
written by Malem , April 14, 2011
written by duh_swami , April 14, 2011
1.a particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
That's Islam...
2.an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, especially as manifested by a body of admirers...
That's Islam...Mohammad...
3.the object of such devotion..
That's Islam...Quran- Mohammad
4.a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
That's Islam and Mohammad again...
5.Sociology . a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
Islam again...
6.a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.
That's Islam, Muslims and Mohammad...
I think it is clear that Islam is a cult...
written by duh_swami , April 14, 2011
You're not going to cry are you?
Reed Wilson gets called all kinds of things and he never cry's...
written by Kapil , April 15, 2011
written by malem , April 18, 2011
The best part is... KILL THE NON-BELIEVERS. They do not even understand that the religion is only a belief and never has been proven to be the truth. Yet they want you to belief what they believe (truth or not, it immaterial). It's like recruitimg members for a mafia and in some countries, they would be killed if attempting to leave the faith. Such is their democracy, a so-claimed religion of peace.