In addition to engaging in what is generally described as "anti-Semitism" -- usually illegal in Germany -- this Muslim man teaching Islamic supremacy to his all-Muslim class in Germany also suggest: every other book in the world except the Quran should be "burned" in his following claim:
"Allah sent the Quran for all mankind... the Quran is the last update for all people on the earth down to the last one.... And the Quran abrogates all previous books, cancels all previous books."
As I and many others have stated, it's not the actually burning of the Koran that offends Muslims - it's the "insult" to their "holy book." The Saudis and others burn thousands of copies of the Koran every year - why are there no violent protests against them? Banning the burning of the Koran is the thin wedge-edge of forbidding any "insult" to the Koran, Mohammed and the Arab tribal god Allah. This ban constitutes Islamic or sharia law. Under such a ban, we would lose our freedoms in countless ways and would essentially be second-class (subhuman) dhimmis or forced converts to Islam.
This Muslim teacher has no respect for any other book, when he claims the Koran abrogates or cancels all books other than the Koran. As in the slang expression used when someone disrespects another person, "You've been burned!," this man is basically "burning" all other books. The way things are looking, he'll probably get a pass - and some more government funding.
The question is, do you want this Islamic supremacy taught in your public schools?
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written by pugo , April 12, 2011
Reed Wilson When I asked you a question Why 5 million r leaving islam... i expected you to come up with logic... i still repeat... you check the source... and please honestly comment whey people are leaving islam - a demonic cult... not even a religion. Why should i check only with the source... you say you believe in islam so answer why why why?????
written by pugo , April 12, 2011
answer me.. and answer all non muslims
written by Sujit Das (from India) , April 12, 2011
Is it a bigger crime if I burn a Qur’an, instead of burning “all books” ?
Friends, please download a counter-jihad poetry with the Qur’an burning pictures.
Yes, last year I have burned an original Arabic Qur’an.
Please follow the link.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/44166420/THE-HOLY-FUNERAL-OF-THE-UNHOLY-QUR’AN
Yours very truly
Sujit Das (The Soldier of Truth and Defender of Humanity)
Friends, please download a counter-jihad poetry with the Qur’an burning pictures.
Yes, last year I have burned an original Arabic Qur’an.
Please follow the link.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/44166420/THE-HOLY-FUNERAL-OF-THE-UNHOLY-QUR’AN
Yours very truly
Sujit Das (The Soldier of Truth and Defender of Humanity)
written by duh_swami , April 12, 2011
What a fool, how are we to learn to fix our automobiles? The Quran says nothing about auto mechanics...I need my repair manual much more than I need a Quran...Mohammad never had to make emergency repairs on the side of the road, so he did not include any mechanical aya's in the Quran...It's interesting that with all the 'great science' aya's in Quran there are none that deal with mechanics...or battery technology either...Allah was no mechanic...He might have been able to tighten a few nuts with an Allah wrench, but that's about it...
written by Reed Wilson. , April 12, 2011
Quran burning is not blasphemy or sacrilege. It is not forbidden in Quran. Fire itself is sacred in many religions.
One may label him it as stupid. We mooted this issue earlier also. All of us including Clement, the Islamwatch Pastor did not approve it.
All clergies are attention hungry and publicity seekers. They want to do something different to catch attention. It should be name even if bad name.
Terry or what his name may be is no different. A case of acute inferiority complex. He can make money.
If there is unrest,the production will suffer and consumer will bear the brunt. If there is threat to his life, the taxpayer will pay for his security.
Rushdie was required round-the-clock security provided by Scotland Yard officers for nine years, from 1989 to 1998. The fatwa was enormously useful to Rushdie from a publicity point of view. He became a hero to writers everywhere.
The real blasphers of Quran are Muslims themselves. It is not my opinion but Gods verdict:
وَقَالَ الرَّسُولُ يَا رَبِّ إِنَّ قَوْمِي اتَّخَذُوا هَـٰذَا الْقُرْآنَ مَهْجُورًا
"And the Messenger will cry out, "O my Lord, my people had deserted Quran" (25:30)
Muslims are not supposed to bethe guardians of Quran. Allah says:
إِنَّا نَحْنُ نَزَّلْنَا الذِّكْرَ وَإِنَّا لَهُ لَحَافِظُونَ
I have sent down this Quran, and I will guard it. (15:9)
But Muslim clergy also would like to make money in any shape and shall exploit the situation.
This is all fasad fil arz and is punishable under 5:33.
Terry cannot delete Quran. There is possibility that people take more interest in Quran.
One may label him it as stupid. We mooted this issue earlier also. All of us including Clement, the Islamwatch Pastor did not approve it.
All clergies are attention hungry and publicity seekers. They want to do something different to catch attention. It should be name even if bad name.
Terry or what his name may be is no different. A case of acute inferiority complex. He can make money.
If there is unrest,the production will suffer and consumer will bear the brunt. If there is threat to his life, the taxpayer will pay for his security.
Rushdie was required round-the-clock security provided by Scotland Yard officers for nine years, from 1989 to 1998. The fatwa was enormously useful to Rushdie from a publicity point of view. He became a hero to writers everywhere.
The real blasphers of Quran are Muslims themselves. It is not my opinion but Gods verdict:
وَقَالَ الرَّسُولُ يَا رَبِّ إِنَّ قَوْمِي اتَّخَذُوا هَـٰذَا الْقُرْآنَ مَهْجُورًا
"And the Messenger will cry out, "O my Lord, my people had deserted Quran" (25:30)
Muslims are not supposed to bethe guardians of Quran. Allah says:
إِنَّا نَحْنُ نَزَّلْنَا الذِّكْرَ وَإِنَّا لَهُ لَحَافِظُونَ
I have sent down this Quran, and I will guard it. (15:9)
But Muslim clergy also would like to make money in any shape and shall exploit the situation.
This is all fasad fil arz and is punishable under 5:33.
Terry cannot delete Quran. There is possibility that people take more interest in Quran.
written by vbv , April 13, 2011
Ungrateful wretches ,these muslims . They bite the hand that feeds them. They go as beggars seeking 'asylum' to escape from the tyrants in their own country and then show their true colours once they get all the comforts and assurances from the host nation. This is islam for you - ingratitude and backstabbing is ingrained in the nature and their socalled religion. We have experienced this from Bangladesh. This rotten country got their nationhood because of India. The west pakistanis were looting, raping bengali women by their thousands everyday ,butchering hundreds. Yet today the same bengali muslims give shelter and sustenance to agents of ISI from Pakistan, Lashkar e Toiba, Jaish e Muhamad,etc . That is the rotten and immoral nature of the cult and its founder Muhamad.
written by HARKAT UL JIHAAD EI KAFIROON , April 13, 2011
ban+burn+flus doen the toilet alkoran......read only kamasutra it has better verses than alkoran.
written by Reed Wilson. , April 13, 2011
To vbv. "Ungrateful wretches, these Muslims. They bite the hand that feeds them. They go as beggars seeking 'asylum' to escape from the tyrants in their own country and then show their true colors once they get all the comforts and assurances from the host nation.
This is Islam for you - ingratitude and backstabbing is ingrained in the nature and their so called religion.
We have experienced this from Bangladesh. This rotten country got their nationhood because of India. The west Pakistanis were looting, raping Bengali women by their thousands everyday, butchering hundreds.
Yet today the same Bengali Muslims give shelter and sustenance to agents of ISI from Pakistan, Lashkar e Toiba, Jaish e Muhammad etc .
That is the rotten and immoral nature of the cult and its founder Muhamad".
vbv. You write very good especially when angry.
Bengalis are not the same people who got nationhood in 1971. Now they are different set of people after 40 years. Abusing a people is against the policy of Islamwatch and democracy.
Islam does not say that burn all the books. Quran endorses all the books and expects Christians to follow Gospel and Jews follow Torah and so on.
Only rebellions take shelter. The Bengalis in the West are contributing to the development and earn their living by hard work. They are not begging.
The Bengalis were also exploited and were colonized by the west. But this will be the same logic which I contest.
This is Islam for you - ingratitude and backstabbing is ingrained in the nature and their so called religion.
We have experienced this from Bangladesh. This rotten country got their nationhood because of India. The west Pakistanis were looting, raping Bengali women by their thousands everyday, butchering hundreds.
Yet today the same Bengali Muslims give shelter and sustenance to agents of ISI from Pakistan, Lashkar e Toiba, Jaish e Muhammad etc .
That is the rotten and immoral nature of the cult and its founder Muhamad".
vbv. You write very good especially when angry.
Bengalis are not the same people who got nationhood in 1971. Now they are different set of people after 40 years. Abusing a people is against the policy of Islamwatch and democracy.
Islam does not say that burn all the books. Quran endorses all the books and expects Christians to follow Gospel and Jews follow Torah and so on.
Only rebellions take shelter. The Bengalis in the West are contributing to the development and earn their living by hard work. They are not begging.
The Bengalis were also exploited and were colonized by the west. But this will be the same logic which I contest.
written by Duh_swami , April 13, 2011
I have sent down this Quran, and I will guard it. (15:9)
Sent 'down' from where? Somewhere in the sky? Is Allah's office located in the sky?
Exactly where in the sky? Can you see it with a telescope? Astronomers seem to have missed it..
Sent 'down' from where? Somewhere in the sky? Is Allah's office located in the sky?
Exactly where in the sky? Can you see it with a telescope? Astronomers seem to have missed it..
written by kafir\shahid , April 13, 2011
Every word in QQURRAN is artificial.borrowed,vengeful,hatefilled,mundane, trite and down right very low in content . QQURRAAN lacks anything spiritual.QQUURRAN do not have any philosophy. It is laughble to call QQUURRAN the holy book, which is propagated by Mussalmans/MUHAMMADEENS. QQUURRAAN earned the credits to be burned as the most unholy, containing all evil,wicked, hate filled,intolerant ideas and demonism with cruelty.
written by Malem , April 13, 2011
It is my belief and the belief of most Muslims that advocating the buring of any book that people choose to read is nonsensical. If someone chooses to buy a book and burn it, that is their choice although I think there are better ways to spend your money. The Koran is a holy text and its MESSAGE was sent to Muhammed (pbuh) through the Angel Gabriel. So in a sense, yes Allahs' office is in the sky and all around us. Which is a good thing becuase you will always be near him when in times of need and prayer! Now that is a convienence... Peace to you all.
written by lw1 , April 13, 2011
Yahoo Maktoob. 13/4/11
Bahrain should investigate deaths in custody: HRW
DUBAI (Reuters) - Bahrain should investigate the death in police custody of three Shi'ites, U.S.-based Human Rights Watch (HRW) said on Wednesday, saying one of the bodies bore signs of physical abuse.
Bahrain has launched a security crackdown after its police forces quelled weeks of pro-democracy protests led mainly by its disgruntled Shi'ite majority last month.
The opposition says hundreds have been arrested and four have died in police custody over the past 10 days.
"It's outrageous and cruel that people are taken off to detention and the families hear nothing until the body shows up with signs of abuse," said Joe Stork, deputy Middle East director for the New York-based group.
"The authorities need to explain why this is happening, put a stop to it, and hold anyone responsible to account."
HRW said it had seen the body of Ali Saqer, one of the men who died in police custody, and that it bore signs of severe physical abuse.
"We viewed Ali Saqer's body just prior to his burial and its condition was exactly as shown in the photo that Nabeel Rajab circulated," Stork said.Ali Saqer was charged with attempting to run over a policeman with his car last month.Four policemen died during the unrest, including at least two run over by the cars of Shi'ite protesters. At least 13 protesters died.The government denies there is torture in Bahrain and government officials say all such accusations will be investigated. It has released 86 people who were arrested during the crackdown.
The protests prompted the government to declare martial law in March and bring troops from Sunni Gulf neighbors Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates who fear the regional influence of Shi'ite power Iran.
Bahrain's crackdown on Shi'ite dissent has raised tensions in the world's top oil-exporting region, drawing criticism from Iraq, Iran and Shi'ite movement Hezbullah.
Bahrain should investigate deaths in custody: HRW
DUBAI (Reuters) - Bahrain should investigate the death in police custody of three Shi'ites, U.S.-based Human Rights Watch (HRW) said on Wednesday, saying one of the bodies bore signs of physical abuse.
Bahrain has launched a security crackdown after its police forces quelled weeks of pro-democracy protests led mainly by its disgruntled Shi'ite majority last month.
The opposition says hundreds have been arrested and four have died in police custody over the past 10 days.
"It's outrageous and cruel that people are taken off to detention and the families hear nothing until the body shows up with signs of abuse," said Joe Stork, deputy Middle East director for the New York-based group.
"The authorities need to explain why this is happening, put a stop to it, and hold anyone responsible to account."
HRW said it had seen the body of Ali Saqer, one of the men who died in police custody, and that it bore signs of severe physical abuse.
"We viewed Ali Saqer's body just prior to his burial and its condition was exactly as shown in the photo that Nabeel Rajab circulated," Stork said.Ali Saqer was charged with attempting to run over a policeman with his car last month.Four policemen died during the unrest, including at least two run over by the cars of Shi'ite protesters. At least 13 protesters died.The government denies there is torture in Bahrain and government officials say all such accusations will be investigated. It has released 86 people who were arrested during the crackdown.
The protests prompted the government to declare martial law in March and bring troops from Sunni Gulf neighbors Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates who fear the regional influence of Shi'ite power Iran.
Bahrain's crackdown on Shi'ite dissent has raised tensions in the world's top oil-exporting region, drawing criticism from Iraq, Iran and Shi'ite movement Hezbullah.
written by duh_swami , April 13, 2011
If Muslims oppose book burning, why did Umar burn the Library at Alexandria?
And why did Uthman burn all existing Qurans and substitute his own?
And why did Uthman burn all existing Qurans and substitute his own?
written by Malem , April 13, 2011
Probably the same reasons the Crusaders burned Korans...different times back then.
written by lw1 , April 13, 2011
Yahoo Maktoob. 13/4/11. Ben Ali ordered air strikes on Tunisia
TUNIS (AFP) - Tunisian president Zine El Abidine Ben Ali ordered air strikes on a city involved in an uprising that led to his toppling in January, according to an investigator quoted by the media on Wednesday.
Ben Ali ordered strikes on the Ezzouhour area of the western city of Kasserine days before he quit on January 14 after weeks of protests, the head of a commission probing abuses during the revolt said in various reports.
The "intention was clearly to break the region and bring its people to their knees through collective and premeditated murder," commission head Taoufik Bouderbala was quoted as saying.
The order came days before Ben Ali fled to Saudi Arabia, ending 23 years in power, and was never carried out. The army had reportedly refused some orders from Ben Ali to crack down on protesters.
His security forces were particularly hard on Ezzouhour during the uprising, with his security forces accused of opening fire at crowds of demonstrators who had been demanding Ben Ali step down.Bouderbala said 23 people were killed in the city.
"The inquiry has come to the conclusion that weapons were used with the intention of killing ... the majority of the wounds were at the level of the head and the heart," Bouderbala said.
He said the gunmen were elite forces from the public order brigades but there were "difficulties" in identifying them.
More than 200 people were killed during the uprising that brought down Ben Ali and unleashed a wave of similar revolts across the Arab world that are still continuing.Rights groups have said those responsible for the killings should be held accountable.The Tunisian authority that replaced the authoritarian Ben Ali regime has asked Saudi Arabia to extradite him, including over the deadly crackdown, and his wife Leila Trabelsi, also accused of corruption.
TUNIS (AFP) - Tunisian president Zine El Abidine Ben Ali ordered air strikes on a city involved in an uprising that led to his toppling in January, according to an investigator quoted by the media on Wednesday.
Ben Ali ordered strikes on the Ezzouhour area of the western city of Kasserine days before he quit on January 14 after weeks of protests, the head of a commission probing abuses during the revolt said in various reports.
The "intention was clearly to break the region and bring its people to their knees through collective and premeditated murder," commission head Taoufik Bouderbala was quoted as saying.
The order came days before Ben Ali fled to Saudi Arabia, ending 23 years in power, and was never carried out. The army had reportedly refused some orders from Ben Ali to crack down on protesters.
His security forces were particularly hard on Ezzouhour during the uprising, with his security forces accused of opening fire at crowds of demonstrators who had been demanding Ben Ali step down.Bouderbala said 23 people were killed in the city.
"The inquiry has come to the conclusion that weapons were used with the intention of killing ... the majority of the wounds were at the level of the head and the heart," Bouderbala said.
He said the gunmen were elite forces from the public order brigades but there were "difficulties" in identifying them.
More than 200 people were killed during the uprising that brought down Ben Ali and unleashed a wave of similar revolts across the Arab world that are still continuing.Rights groups have said those responsible for the killings should be held accountable.The Tunisian authority that replaced the authoritarian Ben Ali regime has asked Saudi Arabia to extradite him, including over the deadly crackdown, and his wife Leila Trabelsi, also accused of corruption.
written by duh_swami , April 13, 2011
Funny how those 'different times' exist today...Islam is still a desert bandit and perverts religion...Still primitive after all these years...His name was Mohammad in case you don't know...
I realize you don't know much or anything about him, if you don't believe hadith...Without hadith he is a very mysterious person...one of the few humans who ever existed with no past...Without hadith, no one can verify that Mohammad ever really existed, there is no Gabriel, and no night journey to the furthest mosque...
How do you explain the destruction of Bibles by Muslims or the numerous attacks and murders of Christians, by howling mobs of Mohammad worshippers in Muslim dominated countries?? How about the Bible shredder at Saudi airports? Your religion is not only fake, it is disgusting...
I realize you don't know much or anything about him, if you don't believe hadith...Without hadith he is a very mysterious person...one of the few humans who ever existed with no past...Without hadith, no one can verify that Mohammad ever really existed, there is no Gabriel, and no night journey to the furthest mosque...
How do you explain the destruction of Bibles by Muslims or the numerous attacks and murders of Christians, by howling mobs of Mohammad worshippers in Muslim dominated countries?? How about the Bible shredder at Saudi airports? Your religion is not only fake, it is disgusting...
written by Malem , April 13, 2011
I explain those rare occurances the same way I would with Mr Jones and his burning. I never had my Bible Shredded and yes I own one, it has been with me in many of the places you mention so maybe it was a outlyer occurance? As for proving existince the same could be said about a lot of people including Jesus or Moses, or Abraham or ......on and on... Without the writings it would be hard. Peace to you.
written by Chanakya , April 13, 2011
In case you are not aware. Quran is not a holy text. There is no Quran that exists which was cetified by Mohammed to be complete. In fact there is no Quran that that can be classified as approved by Mohammed.
According to Islamic Scholars Utham ( 25 to 30 years after Mohammed) produced an Uthmanic Quran which Utham purported to send to all Islamic centres. That quran also does not exist.
The Quran you call the message from Islamic god allah is the quran that has been finalised by the Ummayed caliphate in around 740 to 755 AD. That is the quran you have. This Quran is not teh message that tribal warlord mohammed claimed that islamic angel gabrielle ( no proof angels exists) passed on as a recitation.
Malem if you can please kindly point me to the Quran that mohammed approved. If you can provide a copy or guide me to the existence of such a Quran i promise that I will say the shahada and become a muslim.
Since Islamic scholars claim that mohammed is the messenger surely they would have kept mohammed's quran. As written material exists that dates back to 2700 BC (3300 years before advent of islam and islam's god allah) you do not have an excuse to say that it is lost. Surely allah your god willl not let the so called final word to be lost.
According to Islamic Scholars Utham ( 25 to 30 years after Mohammed) produced an Uthmanic Quran which Utham purported to send to all Islamic centres. That quran also does not exist.
The Quran you call the message from Islamic god allah is the quran that has been finalised by the Ummayed caliphate in around 740 to 755 AD. That is the quran you have. This Quran is not teh message that tribal warlord mohammed claimed that islamic angel gabrielle ( no proof angels exists) passed on as a recitation.
Malem if you can please kindly point me to the Quran that mohammed approved. If you can provide a copy or guide me to the existence of such a Quran i promise that I will say the shahada and become a muslim.
Since Islamic scholars claim that mohammed is the messenger surely they would have kept mohammed's quran. As written material exists that dates back to 2700 BC (3300 years before advent of islam and islam's god allah) you do not have an excuse to say that it is lost. Surely allah your god willl not let the so called final word to be lost.
written by duh_swami , April 14, 2011
The destruction of Bibles by Muslims is not a 'rare occasion, you lie by minimizing...You know as well as anyone that Bibles are not allowed in Saudi, and if you get caught with one, there is hell to pay...
Then there are the attacks on Christians that you forgot to address...
The incidents of violence by Muslims against Christians is well known...In Iraq it is so bad the Christians are advised to leave that country, by Christian leaders...The Egyptian Christians (Copts) have been under Muslim attacks for years...There have been numerous murders, church and home burnings, rapes and assaults so often, that only a liar or someone who never reads the reports can deny it...Your brothers are vicious, and murderous...They read the Quran just like you do...How do you explain this on-going behavior of the religion of peace?
Then there are the attacks on Christians that you forgot to address...
The incidents of violence by Muslims against Christians is well known...In Iraq it is so bad the Christians are advised to leave that country, by Christian leaders...The Egyptian Christians (Copts) have been under Muslim attacks for years...There have been numerous murders, church and home burnings, rapes and assaults so often, that only a liar or someone who never reads the reports can deny it...Your brothers are vicious, and murderous...They read the Quran just like you do...How do you explain this on-going behavior of the religion of peace?
written by Brown Superman , April 14, 2011
I had a quran but put it to best use when ran out of toilet paper. Since the pages wipe well, I intend to buy a dozen more.
written by fineliving56 , April 14, 2011
Why Allah does not SAVE his cherished Book ending in a FLUSH .
I think , not only Muslims got the stupid in the class of ALLAHS , they got Allah with attention deafest disorder .
Why couldn't we get the smartest in the class…:-)
I think , not only Muslims got the stupid in the class of ALLAHS , they got Allah with attention deafest disorder .
Why couldn't we get the smartest in the class…:-)
written by Malem , April 14, 2011
Before you comment on others intellectual prowess or lack thereof, you might want to proof read your statements. Regarding Swami's accusations, there will always be a few exceptions where men behave bad, but that should never be the way to judge an entire people. I would not judge you by the extreme actions of people within your religious circle. Peace to you.
written by fineliving56 , April 14, 2011
I know my English is not great ……. English is not my native languish, Arabic is . ….but generally you get the idea ….don't you ?
Peace to you …but after you leave Islam .
Peace to you …but after you leave Islam .
written by Malem , April 14, 2011
My native language is also not English, so I do understand and also make the slips myself. I offer peace to all unconditionally no matter what they choose to believge or not believe.
written by lw1 , April 14, 2011
Why doesn't Saudi Arabia allow Bible ,Bhagvad Gita and other religious books in the country when Muslims often say that there is no compulsion in religion, according to Quran?
Why not allow the building of churches,temple etc?
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Hypocricy, thy name is Islam!
Why not allow the building of churches,temple etc?
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Hypocricy, thy name is Islam!
written by lw1 , April 14, 2011
Yahoo Maktoob. 14/4/11 French niqab law contradicts freedom
NAJAF, Iraq (AFP) - Niqabs, the full-face veils worn by conservative Muslim women, are not required by Islam but banning them by law is an affront to liberty, radical Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr said Thursday.
His remarks come in response to a draconian new law in France, implemented on Monday, that bars women from wearing the niqab or burka, a head-to-toe body covering, in the street, public gardens, shops and government buildings.
"According to Muslim law, it is not an obligation to wear the niqab, but to ban it by law is a repression of freedoms," Sadr said in a statement issued in his hometown of Najaf.
"Forcing women to wear the niqab, or not to wear it, are both unacceptable," added the cleric, who is currently based in Iran ostensibly to further his religious studies.
Sadr did, however, categorically back the wearing of the hijab, the Islamic headscarf, saying: "This is a basic obligation of the religion, and no one can ban it."
"Would the Western infidels accept it if their daughters living in our (Muslim) countries were forced to wear the niqab? That is unjust," he said.
He called on "all Muslim sisters to work together to overturn this decision."
The headscarf, like all other overt religious symbols, is banned in schools across France as a result of a March 2004 law.
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Turkey can ban hijab and Muslims keep quiet about it, but make fuss when France does it --hypocricy rules in Islam.
NAJAF, Iraq (AFP) - Niqabs, the full-face veils worn by conservative Muslim women, are not required by Islam but banning them by law is an affront to liberty, radical Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr said Thursday.
His remarks come in response to a draconian new law in France, implemented on Monday, that bars women from wearing the niqab or burka, a head-to-toe body covering, in the street, public gardens, shops and government buildings.
"According to Muslim law, it is not an obligation to wear the niqab, but to ban it by law is a repression of freedoms," Sadr said in a statement issued in his hometown of Najaf.
"Forcing women to wear the niqab, or not to wear it, are both unacceptable," added the cleric, who is currently based in Iran ostensibly to further his religious studies.
Sadr did, however, categorically back the wearing of the hijab, the Islamic headscarf, saying: "This is a basic obligation of the religion, and no one can ban it."
"Would the Western infidels accept it if their daughters living in our (Muslim) countries were forced to wear the niqab? That is unjust," he said.
He called on "all Muslim sisters to work together to overturn this decision."
The headscarf, like all other overt religious symbols, is banned in schools across France as a result of a March 2004 law.
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Turkey can ban hijab and Muslims keep quiet about it, but make fuss when France does it --hypocricy rules in Islam.
written by Malem , April 14, 2011
In terms of Saudi Arabia, that is not a religion it is a country, there is no compulsion in Islam so that is pretty clear.
written by duh_swami , April 14, 2011
And it's pretty clear that you just stated an obfuscation...Saudi Arabia is a country and Islam is it's official and only religion...
No compulsion 2:256 was abrogated by 9:5, 8:39, 2:193, 47:4, 8:12, 8:60 and others...But I bet you already know that...
No compulsion 2:256 was abrogated by 9:5, 8:39, 2:193, 47:4, 8:12, 8:60 and others...But I bet you already know that...
written by Demsci , April 15, 2011
You offer peace to people here, regardless what they believe or not believe.
That sounds nice and would be nice if only you were to be considered some politically neutral individual, with no anti-democratic and supremacist beliefs, that threathen our beliefs or at least in Islamic countries suppresses our beliefs and oppresses those who hold them. Or if you were considered not in allegiance with those who have and practice those anti-democratic and supremacist beliefs. But in view of the mountains and mounting evidence we have of Islam and Muslims you are simply untrustworthy.
Yes, we in Democratic Nations also began, almost unanimously, with your adage "Do not judge the whole Islamic group just for the actions of a few" of course. But something has changed; the mountains and mounting evidence that Islam and Muslims contain some very anti-democratic elements among them, aimed at overthrowing or blocking our cherished governing system. Combined with the command by Muhammad and Is
That's called a danger, a threat, or at least a detrimental influence. And with that around, it is highly negligent, derelict of duty to naive trust any submitter to Islam, who does not explicitly swear submitted to all Democratic essences and interests, over and above contradicting Islamic essences and interests.
To us you are being arrogant to the Saudi's by stating "Islam means this" and "Islam does NOT mean that". That's what they declare too. Concluded from the same set, complete or not, of Islamic most important guiding texts; Quran-Hadith-Sira.
What if Geert Wilders, with the help of the best Critical Islam Experts, proposed to all Muslims his version of Islam, as best as possible according to what Allah and Muhammad meant, but only completely compatible with all essential democratic laws and values, because you know that is our biggest need. Asking Muslims to negotiate about his version of Islam?
After agreeing upon a democratic version of Islam, Muslims then adhering to that would be reguired to form a distinct organisation with conditions on membership. Again, that is what the Democratic citizens need.
Can Muslims at least try to move in that direction? If only, out of necessity, because domination and supremacy of Islam will be blocked and time is running out for this kind of Islam, the kind Saudi Arabia advocates?
That sounds nice and would be nice if only you were to be considered some politically neutral individual, with no anti-democratic and supremacist beliefs, that threathen our beliefs or at least in Islamic countries suppresses our beliefs and oppresses those who hold them. Or if you were considered not in allegiance with those who have and practice those anti-democratic and supremacist beliefs. But in view of the mountains and mounting evidence we have of Islam and Muslims you are simply untrustworthy.
Yes, we in Democratic Nations also began, almost unanimously, with your adage "Do not judge the whole Islamic group just for the actions of a few" of course. But something has changed; the mountains and mounting evidence that Islam and Muslims contain some very anti-democratic elements among them, aimed at overthrowing or blocking our cherished governing system. Combined with the command by Muhammad and Is
That's called a danger, a threat, or at least a detrimental influence. And with that around, it is highly negligent, derelict of duty to naive trust any submitter to Islam, who does not explicitly swear submitted to all Democratic essences and interests, over and above contradicting Islamic essences and interests.
To us you are being arrogant to the Saudi's by stating "Islam means this" and "Islam does NOT mean that". That's what they declare too. Concluded from the same set, complete or not, of Islamic most important guiding texts; Quran-Hadith-Sira.
What if Geert Wilders, with the help of the best Critical Islam Experts, proposed to all Muslims his version of Islam, as best as possible according to what Allah and Muhammad meant, but only completely compatible with all essential democratic laws and values, because you know that is our biggest need. Asking Muslims to negotiate about his version of Islam?
After agreeing upon a democratic version of Islam, Muslims then adhering to that would be reguired to form a distinct organisation with conditions on membership. Again, that is what the Democratic citizens need.
Can Muslims at least try to move in that direction? If only, out of necessity, because domination and supremacy of Islam will be blocked and time is running out for this kind of Islam, the kind Saudi Arabia advocates?
written by Demsci , April 15, 2011
I meant" combined with the command of Muhammad and Ihsanoglu that Muslims must be first and foremost loyal to the Ummah and Islamic laws, over and above being loyal to Democratic Nations and Democratic laws, when these contradict Islamic interests and laws.
written by vbv , April 15, 2011
In India we have a long history of muslims carnage of destroying institutions of learning and knowledge ,as well as universities and libraries. The best known is the destruction of Taxila and Nalanda ,both at the hands of muslims. Thousands of books, scrolls, and ancient manuscripts were destroyed by these arab-arselickers. For these barbarians the Quran is an all-in-all comprehensive book and all other books are not worth keeping - that is the true nature of the fanatics of this barbaric cult - typical of talibans ,suadi and other muslim clerics, and their diehard followers. Can yoyu do anything useful from reading the bullshit called quran ? Can you manufacture aircrafts ,automobiles, modern technologies, mobile phones ,rockets for space explorations and launching satellites, modern medicenes and surgery, computers, internet, modern biochemistry ,nanotechnology, etc.... ? Nothing but bullshit comes out of this stoneage barbaric crap called Quran. It is an insult to human intelligence, insult to human endeavours ,scientific thinking and development. Take Afghanistan, for instance , it was much better ubder its monarch than under the mad religious fanatics like taliban ,northern alliance or such other ragtag mafia gangs and overlords that make money out of opium cultivation and drug-running. This is what this "religion of 'peace' " would come down to under the banner of puritanical 'islam' and its unholy nexus with clergies and criminals.
written by Reed Wilson. , April 15, 2011
Duh-swami."No compulsion 2:256 was abrogated by 9:5, 8:39, 2:193, 47:4, 8:12, 8:60 and others...But I bet you already know that..".
Very good shot!!
I will not repeat here my article on the so called abrogation. It has already come three times.
Duh-swami I am enjoying the repetition of your vocabulary in the case of Mulhim. It reminds me the good old days.
Very good shot!!
I will not repeat here my article on the so called abrogation. It has already come three times.
Duh-swami I am enjoying the repetition of your vocabulary in the case of Mulhim. It reminds me the good old days.
written by vbv , April 15, 2011
Talking of this dubious book called Quran which is nothing more than plagiarised distortion and concoction of this moron called Muhamad. The very basis of authorship of this base and dubious book is a big farce. Now this Allah is supposed to have dictated this book chapter by chapter to his cronie angel called Gabriel and Gabriel in turn whispers this to an illiterate moron Muhamad ,who in turn dictates to a literate zombie to write it down. Whew ! What a devious way to author a book? Now this Allah in 'cloud 9 ' was so backward that he did not even have a printing press. Because humans invented 1,000 years tyoo late for Allah to get wise. Otherwise ,he would have probably printed millions of copies and literally 'rained' them all over the world in various languages . Hahahahahaha!!!! Allah was as backward as the 7th century bedouin and he was as intelligent as those camel driving brigands of arabia that he was unwilling to take risk of exposing his backwardness and ignorance to the civilisations outside arabia ,like Rome, Byzantium,India, China,Japan, Mayans in central America,etc. This has given huge inferiority complex and destructively bad attitude amongst the zealots that they went about destroying civilisations and great philosophies ,literature,arts,music,science and knowledge to enforce the arab supremacy over the rest of humanity. No wonder the muslims have to compulsorily face the 'Kaaba' and venerate the idol of 'black stone ' five times everyday. Moreover , compulsorily make the "hajj" to Mecca to circumambulate this 'Kaaba' seven times. This is rank idol worshipping a contradiction that is is "kuffr" to worship any idol . Irrational and self-contradictory ,isnt it? No wonder muslims are enjoined to destroy civilisations , the first casuality being the books .
written by duh_swami , April 15, 2011
You did write about abrogation, but I don't agree with you...Without abrogation the Quran contradicts itself, and makes Allah look confused...We just can't have 'that' now can we?
There is no way to reconcile 'Fight them until', all worship Allah, and 'no compulsion' without abrogation...Abrogation was a tool used by Mohammad to legalize some action that was not previously legal...
There is no way to reconcile 'Fight them until', all worship Allah, and 'no compulsion' without abrogation...Abrogation was a tool used by Mohammad to legalize some action that was not previously legal...
written by Machmoed , April 15, 2011
In the bible (OT) we can read that God is telling Abraham regarding Ismael that he will be a wild donkey of a man and his hand will be against everyone and everyones hand will be against his. How could this be? didn,'t the ishmaelites know the God of Abraham said this and up to day it is still there. Did Muhammad know his Lord (Lord of Abraham) said this about them? But then again, he knew not that much of the bible and the thora did he? If he did, he wouldn't make suchj mistakes as Meryem being the mother of Jesus and the sister of Aron.
Look around in the islamic especially arabic ones....they act as wild donkeys indeed.
Look around in the islamic especially arabic ones....they act as wild donkeys indeed.
written by lw1 , April 15, 2011
Is Saudi Arabia a Muslim country?
Why don't Muslims who talk about human rights protest against Saudi Arabia?
Or are human rights meant only for Muslims?
USA is a country as well and Muslims including those in USA protest about actions of USA.
Why don't Muslims who talk about human rights protest against Saudi Arabia?
Or are human rights meant only for Muslims?
USA is a country as well and Muslims including those in USA protest about actions of USA.
written by lw1 , April 15, 2011
Yahoo Maktoob. Massive rival Yemen rallies for, against president
Apr 15, 2011 at 17:05
SANAA, Yemen (AP) — Yemenis have turned out in massive crowds across the country to demand their embattled president immediately step down, while his loyalists are rallying in his support in the capital Sanaa.
President Ali Abdullah Saleh told tens of thousands gathered near his presidential office that their huge number gives him legitimacy and is a "rejection of chaos."
Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands held an anti-regime protest after Friday prayers outside Sanaa University. There are also massive protests demanding Saleh's ouster in southern Taiz city, the port of Aden and eastern Hadramawt province.
Yemen has been wracked by protests since mid-February over lack of freedoms and extreme poverty. More than 120 people have been killed in the uprising, inspired by Tunisian and Egyptian revolts.
Apr 15, 2011 at 17:05
SANAA, Yemen (AP) — Yemenis have turned out in massive crowds across the country to demand their embattled president immediately step down, while his loyalists are rallying in his support in the capital Sanaa.
President Ali Abdullah Saleh told tens of thousands gathered near his presidential office that their huge number gives him legitimacy and is a "rejection of chaos."
Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands held an anti-regime protest after Friday prayers outside Sanaa University. There are also massive protests demanding Saleh's ouster in southern Taiz city, the port of Aden and eastern Hadramawt province.
Yemen has been wracked by protests since mid-February over lack of freedoms and extreme poverty. More than 120 people have been killed in the uprising, inspired by Tunisian and Egyptian revolts.
written by fineliving56 , April 15, 2011
Let me see if I can summarize your brand of islam , in few words …….Live and let live ….spread love to all people including jews,Christians and non believers ...….work and live near them Mulhideen ….I my close ?
You see Malem , your brand does not count , because your Islam is QUSLAM [Quran only Islam] it does not represent any threat to women and non Muslem because you are , live and let live , kind of Islam
What I do not like about Quslams is they are always silent when the real Muslims ….you know the ones who believe (to the letter) in Quran as well hadeeth and Sirah and anyone who do not fallow like they do , there is big chance they become victims .
Where is your OUTRAGE MR.MALEM and others like you against the real muslims or hadeethslams whom , if they know about your views believe me their reaction wont be pretty .
Malen please do not think that I was cheap in my wishes for peace to you . The reason is there is no REAL PEACE IN ISLAM ENLESS YOU ARE OUT OF ISLAM ….Believe me ..happiness that I know now , I never knew existed .
I wish you peace but after you leave islam , wishing it for you now , just a waste I am sorry to say that …
You see Malem , your brand does not count , because your Islam is QUSLAM [Quran only Islam] it does not represent any threat to women and non Muslem because you are , live and let live , kind of Islam
What I do not like about Quslams is they are always silent when the real Muslims ….you know the ones who believe (to the letter) in Quran as well hadeeth and Sirah and anyone who do not fallow like they do , there is big chance they become victims .
Where is your OUTRAGE MR.MALEM and others like you against the real muslims or hadeethslams whom , if they know about your views believe me their reaction wont be pretty .
Malen please do not think that I was cheap in my wishes for peace to you . The reason is there is no REAL PEACE IN ISLAM ENLESS YOU ARE OUT OF ISLAM ….Believe me ..happiness that I know now , I never knew existed .
I wish you peace but after you leave islam , wishing it for you now , just a waste I am sorry to say that …
written by Reed Wilson. , April 17, 2011
duh_swami.
"If Muslims oppose book burning, why did Umar burn the Library at Alexandria? And why did Uthman burn all existing Qurans and substitute his own?
Nobody knows why. There is no reliable history of 7th century. You only know why did they burn.
I think, not even Umar and Uthman know what is attributed to them.
If Umar and Uthman did not follow Quran, I have no hesitation saying that they were not Muslims.
But there are people who call themselves as Muslims, they have no knowledge of the message.
"If Muslims oppose book burning, why did Umar burn the Library at Alexandria? And why did Uthman burn all existing Qurans and substitute his own?
Nobody knows why. There is no reliable history of 7th century. You only know why did they burn.
I think, not even Umar and Uthman know what is attributed to them.
If Umar and Uthman did not follow Quran, I have no hesitation saying that they were not Muslims.
But there are people who call themselves as Muslims, they have no knowledge of the message.
written by Reed Wilson. , April 17, 2011
Mr. vbv. "Talking of this dubious book called Quran which is nothing more than plagiarized distortion and concoction of this moron called Muhmad".
If that was so, intelligent people like you should ignore. If someone follows, does so at his own risk and cost.
May be you think that it was more risky to ignore it.
Who plagiarized, Allah or Muhammad?
If that was so, intelligent people like you should ignore. If someone follows, does so at his own risk and cost.
May be you think that it was more risky to ignore it.
Who plagiarized, Allah or Muhammad?
written by Duh_swami , April 17, 2011
'If Umar and Uthman did not follow Quran, I have no hesitation saying that they were not Muslims'
Then the man Uthman, who re-wrote, added material, removed material, from Quran...and had all the original Qurans burned, was a kuffar...A kuffar wrote the Quran...That does not surprise me one bit, but it should give you something to think about...
Then the man Uthman, who re-wrote, added material, removed material, from Quran...and had all the original Qurans burned, was a kuffar...A kuffar wrote the Quran...That does not surprise me one bit, but it should give you something to think about...
written by lw1 , April 17, 2011
Yahoo Maktoob.
BAGHDAD (AFP) - Bombs and gunmen killed six people in Iraq on Sunday, four of them from the same family, security sources said.
The four family members -- parents and two daughters in their 20s -- were all shot in the head overnight by gunmen who spared a third, seven-year-old daughter, interior ministry and security officials said.
"This was probably a terrorist crime, which we are investigating," said Baghdad security spokesman Major General Qassim Atta.
Also on Sunday, magnetic "sticky bombs" attached to cars killed two civilians and wounded another in Kirkuk, a violence-prone, religiously and ethnically diverse northern province, senior police officials said.
In the western part of Kirkuk, police said they found the corpse of the leader of an anti-Al-Qaeda militia who was kidnapped a week ago. It was unclear when he was slain.
Violence has sharply fallen in Iraq since its peak during sectarian killings of 2006 and 2007, but bombings, shootings and kidnappings remain common.
The UN envoy to Iraq, Ad Melkert, said this month that violent incidents still occur on average 25 times per day although the number was "a lot lower than what it used to be."
BAGHDAD (AFP) - Bombs and gunmen killed six people in Iraq on Sunday, four of them from the same family, security sources said.
The four family members -- parents and two daughters in their 20s -- were all shot in the head overnight by gunmen who spared a third, seven-year-old daughter, interior ministry and security officials said.
"This was probably a terrorist crime, which we are investigating," said Baghdad security spokesman Major General Qassim Atta.
Also on Sunday, magnetic "sticky bombs" attached to cars killed two civilians and wounded another in Kirkuk, a violence-prone, religiously and ethnically diverse northern province, senior police officials said.
In the western part of Kirkuk, police said they found the corpse of the leader of an anti-Al-Qaeda militia who was kidnapped a week ago. It was unclear when he was slain.
Violence has sharply fallen in Iraq since its peak during sectarian killings of 2006 and 2007, but bombings, shootings and kidnappings remain common.
The UN envoy to Iraq, Ad Melkert, said this month that violent incidents still occur on average 25 times per day although the number was "a lot lower than what it used to be."
written by lw1 , April 17, 2011
Decline and end of Nalanda University
In 1193, the Nalanda University was sacked by the Islamic fanatic Bakhtiyar Khilji, a Turk; this event is seen by scholars as a late milestone in the decline of Buddhism in India. The Persian historian Minhaj-i-Siraj, in his chronicle the Tabaquat-I-Nasiri, reported that thousands of monks were burned alive and thousands beheaded as Khilji tried his best to uproot Buddhism and plant Islam by the sword; the burning of the library continued for several months and "smoke from the burning manuscripts hung for days like a dark pall over the low hills." --Wikipedia
In 1193, the Nalanda University was sacked by the Islamic fanatic Bakhtiyar Khilji, a Turk; this event is seen by scholars as a late milestone in the decline of Buddhism in India. The Persian historian Minhaj-i-Siraj, in his chronicle the Tabaquat-I-Nasiri, reported that thousands of monks were burned alive and thousands beheaded as Khilji tried his best to uproot Buddhism and plant Islam by the sword; the burning of the library continued for several months and "smoke from the burning manuscripts hung for days like a dark pall over the low hills." --Wikipedia
written by vbv , April 18, 2011
The Quran is dubious for the simple reason that it was compiled into a book much after Muhamad's death ,by his followers Uthman and Umar. Secondly it is just plagiarizing and distorting the biblical mythology - there is nothing original or 'divine' in it. It looks like a mafia manual sanctioning the brutal murders, plundering and rape of nonmuslims . There is nothing in the Quran that talks of universality and universal peace and humanrights. It is sectarian , racist, it promotes hatred of nonmuslims , convert them forcibly to this barbaric arab supremacist cult or be treated as a slave and an oppressed people under muslims. Human rights are practically absent in islam , as it talks of only blind and abject submission to an invisible spook , infact giving the clergy unlimited powers to exploit and subjugate people to live off their hardwork putting the fear of Allah and Muhamad in them. Take for example ,Pakistan : every pakistani is taught to hate their culture and heritage in deference to the arabs and islam. They have virtually forgotten their ancient past and they trace their history only from the arab invasion of Sindh and thereafter ,glorifying the barbaric invasions and the accompanying plunder and rape of their ancestors. Two important sites of Indus Valley civilisation is there in Pakistan , alongwith hundreds of other hindu and budhist historical sites , and theier destruction is imminent with pakistani society increasingly becoming 'talbanised' and the muslim clerics having excessively powerful influence , sharia becoming more and more formalised, blasphme law is now firmly rooted to be used as an easy weapon to kidnap nonmuslim girls ,rape them, forcibly convert the nonmuslims and usurp their properties.... This is what islam does to a nation . Can you call a book having such a negative and barbaric influence holy? It is insane , as can be seen in all the muslim countries. It is fanatically exclusive ,intolerant ,sectarian , demand submission to the arab supremacy ,while the arabs are the worst barbarians ever. That is why I called this book a dubious concoction , a mafia manual that abuses human rights , insults human intelligence , demands conformity to arab diktats and destroyer of human civilisations and plurality , oppressive , suppressive,dogmatic and backward by far.
written by Malem , April 18, 2011
We express our outrage at extreme behavior, you just are not listening.
written by Gershom , April 18, 2011
I live in Germany, work in the school system and find this religion teacher an outrage. In Germany, all students must take religion lessons in the religion in which they are registered, if not then ethics. I really need to know where this was recorded and will take action. These teachings are against the law and must be
prosecuted. A religion teacher must be accredited by the state and has a curriculum the he must abide by. Faschist supremecy does not belong to this
curriculum. Please tell me where this happened.
prosecuted. A religion teacher must be accredited by the state and has a curriculum the he must abide by. Faschist supremecy does not belong to this
curriculum. Please tell me where this happened.
written by fineliving56 , April 18, 2011
The problem is that your voice is so weak no one could hear .
your brand of Islam is so meager, it has no effect on the outrageous numbers of hadeethslams .
All you have to do is to listen to the news of all the true Islam at *workabombs* , and conclude that Islam has to go all together …and …it will .
ex muslims ,WILL outnumber muslims one day …. COUNT ON THAT .
your brand of Islam is so meager, it has no effect on the outrageous numbers of hadeethslams .
All you have to do is to listen to the news of all the true Islam at *workabombs* , and conclude that Islam has to go all together …and …it will .
ex muslims ,WILL outnumber muslims one day …. COUNT ON THAT .
written by lw1 , April 18, 2011
By IANS
London (IANS) - A non-Muslim woman in Britain, who wears Western clothes, was told to wear a hijab or face death, a media report said Monday.
The Sun reported that hardliners are feared to be imposing their values in Tower Hamlets, East London.
Signs warning of 'gay-free' zones have been put up and posters of bikini-clad models were defaced.
The non-Muslim Asian pharmacist in Whitechapel said she was told to cover up with a hijab headscarf or face boycott, the media report said.
She said that later a second man said: 'If you keep doing these things, we will kill you.'
Police are probing it.
'Anyone found committing such acts will face criminal proceedings,' Paul Rickett, an official, was quoted as saying.
MP Khalid Mahmood for Birmingham's Perry Barr said: 'These people must accept others.'
London (IANS) - A non-Muslim woman in Britain, who wears Western clothes, was told to wear a hijab or face death, a media report said Monday.
The Sun reported that hardliners are feared to be imposing their values in Tower Hamlets, East London.
Signs warning of 'gay-free' zones have been put up and posters of bikini-clad models were defaced.
The non-Muslim Asian pharmacist in Whitechapel said she was told to cover up with a hijab headscarf or face boycott, the media report said.
She said that later a second man said: 'If you keep doing these things, we will kill you.'
Police are probing it.
'Anyone found committing such acts will face criminal proceedings,' Paul Rickett, an official, was quoted as saying.
MP Khalid Mahmood for Birmingham's Perry Barr said: 'These people must accept others.'
written by lw1 , April 18, 2011
No you don't express outrage at Saudi Arabia's ban on bringing religious books of other faiths and not allowing building of Churches, Synagogues, Temples etc.
These are just words by you.
These are just words by you.
written by Malem , April 18, 2011
As I said, we express out outrage you dont listen, or maybe turn your ear the other way. We express love and payer and that is all. Peace to you my friend
written by lw1 , April 18, 2011
Yahoo Maktoob. Suicide car bombs kill five at Baghdad Green Zone
Apr 18, 2011 at 20:36
BAGHDAD (AFP) - Two suicide car bombings killed five people and wounded 15 on Monday at the entrance to Baghdad's heavily fortified Green Zone, where an Arab League summit is due to be held next month.
Officials said the bombings occurred at around 8:30 am (0530 GMT) at the western gate into the Green Zone, which houses the offices of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, Iraq's parliament and the US and British embassies.
A queue of cars was waiting to enter the Green Zone when the vehicles exploded, a security official said.
The blasts came after a weekend visit by a top US politician, who praised Iraq for being a "different country" compared to years past.
"Two suicide car bombs exploded at the western gate of the Green Zone," said Baghdad security spokesman Major General Qassim Atta, who blamed Al-Qaeda for the attack and put the toll at five dead and 15 wounded.
"The bombings happened when there were several employees and officials entering the Green Zone," he added.
Apr 18, 2011 at 20:36
BAGHDAD (AFP) - Two suicide car bombings killed five people and wounded 15 on Monday at the entrance to Baghdad's heavily fortified Green Zone, where an Arab League summit is due to be held next month.
Officials said the bombings occurred at around 8:30 am (0530 GMT) at the western gate into the Green Zone, which houses the offices of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, Iraq's parliament and the US and British embassies.
A queue of cars was waiting to enter the Green Zone when the vehicles exploded, a security official said.
The blasts came after a weekend visit by a top US politician, who praised Iraq for being a "different country" compared to years past.
"Two suicide car bombs exploded at the western gate of the Green Zone," said Baghdad security spokesman Major General Qassim Atta, who blamed Al-Qaeda for the attack and put the toll at five dead and 15 wounded.
"The bombings happened when there were several employees and officials entering the Green Zone," he added.
written by Duh_swami , April 18, 2011
Malem...'We express our outrage at extreme behavior, you just are not listening'.
Maybe, but what do you 'do' about it?
Maybe, but what do you 'do' about it?
written by malem , April 18, 2011
Each day I spread love not hate, peace not war, discussion not violence....
written by Duh_swami , April 18, 2011
I bet all that love you spread stops a lot of attacks on Christians in Iraq...
I can see it has stopped the stonings of women in Iran, good work...
And due to your influence the mobs in Afghanistan have stopped killing people over Quran burning , and Pakistan has decided to strike down the blasphemy laws and stop killing accused blasphemers...
Ah if only the Muslim masses could see things your way...What a wonderful world it would be...The problem is, they don't and it's not...
So what that actually means is that you do nothing about Islams evil...Where in the Quran does Allah tell you to love everyone? Of course you did not write that you love 'everyone'...If that's the case, do you love kuffar...Did Allah tell you to love what he identifies as the worst of creatures? Are you opposing Allah? Are you warring with Allah?
Most people posting here know what 'peace' means to a Muslim...
I can see it has stopped the stonings of women in Iran, good work...
And due to your influence the mobs in Afghanistan have stopped killing people over Quran burning , and Pakistan has decided to strike down the blasphemy laws and stop killing accused blasphemers...
Ah if only the Muslim masses could see things your way...What a wonderful world it would be...The problem is, they don't and it's not...
So what that actually means is that you do nothing about Islams evil...Where in the Quran does Allah tell you to love everyone? Of course you did not write that you love 'everyone'...If that's the case, do you love kuffar...Did Allah tell you to love what he identifies as the worst of creatures? Are you opposing Allah? Are you warring with Allah?
Most people posting here know what 'peace' means to a Muslim...
written by fineliving56 , April 18, 2011
If you spread love and peace to non and ex muslims , then you are not a real muslim and you do not follow Quran to the letter .
written by malem , April 19, 2011
Duh - my only response is that your rambling here does nothing as well to serve anyone except for those ego's who need to be stroked.
Fineliving - Your wrong, spreading love and peace to all is part of Islam, please go back and read your Koran
Fineliving - Your wrong, spreading love and peace to all is part of Islam, please go back and read your Koran
written by Duh_swami , April 19, 2011
Duh - my only response is that your rambling here does nothing as well to serve anyone except for those ego's who need to be stroked.
You are not very good at answering questions are you?...I have asked you seven or eight questions...none answered as far as I can tell...You can't answer a questions so your response is that I ramble and stroke deficient ego's...Haha...how lame is that? It's not an insult to me, but it is to all these deficient posters you cite who need their ego's stroked...
And why would Fineliving want to go back and read the evil Quran, She already freed herself from those chains...
You are not very good at answering questions are you?...I have asked you seven or eight questions...none answered as far as I can tell...You can't answer a questions so your response is that I ramble and stroke deficient ego's...Haha...how lame is that? It's not an insult to me, but it is to all these deficient posters you cite who need their ego's stroked...
And why would Fineliving want to go back and read the evil Quran, She already freed herself from those chains...
written by Reed Wilson. , April 19, 2011
Duh_swami. " You whine a lot". He whines because he is pitying. He will whine because he is sympathetic and was interested in your success. He will whine because he is sincere and loving.
Malem is not the only person who was ridiculed. Who was not ridiculed? Jesus Christ was also ridiculed.
Why hiding? What is real name? This shows the degree of seriousness. You did not try to learn anything from him.
Now no more Malem to scoff at.
You write "And why would Fineliving want to go back and read the evil Quran, She already freed herself from those chains".
She did not leave Islam. She left anything other than Islam. We all know that her father was brutally beating her dear mother and got disgusted with the so called Islam of her father.
If life permits her and she does some serious thinking, she might become the real muslim (like me.)
Malem is not the only person who was ridiculed. Who was not ridiculed? Jesus Christ was also ridiculed.
Why hiding? What is real name? This shows the degree of seriousness. You did not try to learn anything from him.
Now no more Malem to scoff at.
You write "And why would Fineliving want to go back and read the evil Quran, She already freed herself from those chains".
She did not leave Islam. She left anything other than Islam. We all know that her father was brutally beating her dear mother and got disgusted with the so called Islam of her father.
If life permits her and she does some serious thinking, she might become the real muslim (like me.)
written by Duh_swami , April 19, 2011
Stop putting curses om fineliving...she has made her opinion on Islam and the Quran clear...
There is nothing Malem or you can teach me about evil...
Why are you speaking for Malem...is he your son?
There is nothing Malem or you can teach me about evil...
Why are you speaking for Malem...is he your son?
written by Amboyduke , April 19, 2011
Malem and Reed are delusional.
Koran is crap. Pure crap.
Koran is crap. Pure crap.
written by Malem , April 20, 2011
Once I have made the decision to hold on posting, you most act like pack animals throwing in barbs AFTER I have gone, that shows a lot of courage. Duh, you can spread love just ask Ghandi....One man, one spark but a large resulting fire. If people took your advice at that time, He would have just been a passing flicker but little by little he hung on to spread his word. By the way no one is making curses? Where do you come up with this stuff?
I am far from delusional my son, far from that at all. I am offering a point of view from the Koran which is the pure view and if men what to pollute it with their own versions and rules so be it. It will survive as Christianity and the others have when men have determined Gods word needed to be 'helped' by them. Look at the catholics and their rules on top of the bible? One could make the case that the pedophiles they protect daily are far more damaging than anything one has seen in many many years. But I digress and once back from an extended trip around the globe, I do hope to post again. I wish the best for you all and to Mr Wilson who seems to be the only person on this board who is able to look at both sides of this discussion with some fairness. His back will need the strength of a 100 hamars as you pile onto him, but my feeling is he will outlast you. Good luck and peace and love to you all.
I am far from delusional my son, far from that at all. I am offering a point of view from the Koran which is the pure view and if men what to pollute it with their own versions and rules so be it. It will survive as Christianity and the others have when men have determined Gods word needed to be 'helped' by them. Look at the catholics and their rules on top of the bible? One could make the case that the pedophiles they protect daily are far more damaging than anything one has seen in many many years. But I digress and once back from an extended trip around the globe, I do hope to post again. I wish the best for you all and to Mr Wilson who seems to be the only person on this board who is able to look at both sides of this discussion with some fairness. His back will need the strength of a 100 hamars as you pile onto him, but my feeling is he will outlast you. Good luck and peace and love to you all.
written by Kafirwala , April 20, 2011
These two are birds of the same feather. So they will compliment each other. There is no point in talking to them. They will never listen to reason. Talking to them means simply wasting your time. I can only say this much. Beware of their peace and love. If something happens to you from the real muslims, these persons will not even shed a drop of tear from their eyes. Such is their pan- islamic bondage. They simply will ask you to come out of your pen name and reveal your identity etc. They may even provocate you to do such things. If you do, it will be at your risk. Nowadays, groups of evil muslims are collectively operating in democratic countries also to avenge any criticism you make against Islam. Haven't you heard the saying that while the moderate muslims will hold your hands and legs, the extremists will slit your throats? So in this task, all these filthy, barbarian muslims are alike. Beware of each and every one of them. Take their good wishes, love, peace etc. with a pinch of salt. For them, it is an exercise to earn evergreen virgin houries for eternal fornication in Allah's paradise. Anyway, Allah has prepared and kept a big frying pan to deepfry everyone of us, kafirs after our death. Along with that in this world itself, should we live without our palms, hands or heads above our neck for criticising Islam? Just think of it.
written by Reed Wilson. , April 20, 2011
vbv. You write " The Quran is dubious for the simple reason that it was compiled into a book much after Muhammad’s death, by his followers Uthman and Umar. Secondly it is just plagiarizing and distorting the biblical mythology - there is nothing original or 'divine' in it. It looks like a mafia manual sanctioning the brutal murders, plundering and rape of nonmuslims".
From where you get all that. There is no reliable history of 7th Century. Please ignore all that. Dont believe these unauthentic stories. I have divorced them long back and I feel relieved.
You did not tell me that who plagiarized, God or Muhammad. Where 'distorting the biblical mythology'? Please elaborate.
From where you get all that. There is no reliable history of 7th Century. Please ignore all that. Dont believe these unauthentic stories. I have divorced them long back and I feel relieved.
You did not tell me that who plagiarized, God or Muhammad. Where 'distorting the biblical mythology'? Please elaborate.
written by lw1 , April 20, 2011
BBC 20/4/11. Libya rebels 'break mines pledge'
Human rights campaigners have accused rebels in Libya of failing to honour a pledge not to use land-mines in their fight against Muammar Gaddafi.
The BBC filmed rebels planting anti-vehicle mines near the key town of Adjabiya at the weekend.
Human Rights Watch researchers said mines had been laid despite rebel assurances they would not be used.
The organisation has already gathered evidence of use of mines and cluster munitions by Col Gaddafi's forces.
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If Muslims can't trust Muslims, why should we?
Human rights campaigners have accused rebels in Libya of failing to honour a pledge not to use land-mines in their fight against Muammar Gaddafi.
The BBC filmed rebels planting anti-vehicle mines near the key town of Adjabiya at the weekend.
Human Rights Watch researchers said mines had been laid despite rebel assurances they would not be used.
The organisation has already gathered evidence of use of mines and cluster munitions by Col Gaddafi's forces.
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If Muslims can't trust Muslims, why should we?
written by Reed Wilson. , April 20, 2011
Kafirwala. Malem and Reed Wilson. These two are birds of the same feather. So they will compliment each other. There is no point in talking to them. They will never listen to reason. Talking to them means simply wasting your time".
Wasting who's time? Which feathers; contour or filoplume? I think we are rare birds. We dont fly together. We fly in different directions.
How do you spend your time otherwise? Are you poet or a classical dancer?
Wasting who's time? Which feathers; contour or filoplume? I think we are rare birds. We dont fly together. We fly in different directions.
How do you spend your time otherwise? Are you poet or a classical dancer?
written by Reed Wilson. , April 20, 2011
Mr. Malem. "I wish the best for you all and to Mr Wilson who seems to be the only person on this board who is able to look at both sides of this discussion with some fairness. His back will need the strength of a 100 hamars as you pile onto him, but my feeling is he will outlast you".
Thank you Malem. The called Muslims often show up and quickly disappear. One post or two. They leave behind lot of trash.
One Shibli Zaman, who stayed here for sometime, declared that Reed should be beheaded. This is the only solution they have. Their minds are locked and stunned as they are marinated in hadis.
Duh-swami told me about you. I had seen your name on various threads but did not read your posts. You should be grateful to God that you had understanding to reject hadis. It is really very rare. It is the Quran of hadis infested Muslims who are mentioned in 25:30. They are doing blatant shirk.
You write ".....but my feeling is he will outlast you".
No my dear. Winning or losing is not my consideration. Thus I don't need support. I do my job sincerely. God is the Lord of results.
Thank you Malem. The called Muslims often show up and quickly disappear. One post or two. They leave behind lot of trash.
One Shibli Zaman, who stayed here for sometime, declared that Reed should be beheaded. This is the only solution they have. Their minds are locked and stunned as they are marinated in hadis.
Duh-swami told me about you. I had seen your name on various threads but did not read your posts. You should be grateful to God that you had understanding to reject hadis. It is really very rare. It is the Quran of hadis infested Muslims who are mentioned in 25:30. They are doing blatant shirk.
You write ".....but my feeling is he will outlast you".
No my dear. Winning or losing is not my consideration. Thus I don't need support. I do my job sincerely. God is the Lord of results.
written by duh_swami , April 20, 2011
Sounds like love to me...I think you two fellows make a nice couple...
written by Kafirwala , April 20, 2011
Reed Wilson is the most conceited person who ever appeared in this site. From day 1 he appeared here, I have been watching him closely. He is playing the fool. That is why he asks seemingly stupid questions like wasting whose time after reading my earlier post. Now he has found an ally in Malem who is another stupid muslim of the quran- only variety. Both are practising their variety of taqiya here and scratch each other's bottom in compliment. That is quite understandable.
Folks, I have warned of muslim intolerance to criticism of Islam is not without reason. I am living in India. In my state, these muslim rascals recently cut off the palm of a college professor. His crime - as teacher he set a question paper in which there was a dialogue between a muslim man and god and he named this man Mohammed. All muslim associations got up in anger and staged processions, meetings etc. saying that the Professor was insulting Prophet Mohammed. The Professor explained that he never meant the prophet, instead since the man is muslim, he used a common muslim name only and expressed regret over the incident in which unknowingly his action caused so much anguish to muslims. After that only, a bunch of muslim young men cut off the right palm of the professor in broad daylight. Mind you, this happened in India, a democratic country where muslims are a minority. This is the type of muslim intolerance you can see everywhere. If this is the case in a democratic country, what would be the intensity of collective muslim anger in a muslim- dominated country? You can imagine. These gentlemen, Malem and Reed Wilson may simply laugh off these things and say that they i.e the perpetrators are not muslims. That kind of hypocrytes, these rascals are. In fact, my wife dissuades me from writing anything against Islam in these columns. She naturally fears some danger to me. My reply is that I am not disclosing my identity. In this backdrop only I gave a word of caution to you. Muslims are dangerous animals and they draw their inspiration from Quran which is nothing but a manual of hate and violence. Whatever these rascals say also and how much arabian perfume they shower on Islam also, the basic nature of Islam and Quran will not change. It will continue to remain as the greatest threat to humanity.
Folks, I have warned of muslim intolerance to criticism of Islam is not without reason. I am living in India. In my state, these muslim rascals recently cut off the palm of a college professor. His crime - as teacher he set a question paper in which there was a dialogue between a muslim man and god and he named this man Mohammed. All muslim associations got up in anger and staged processions, meetings etc. saying that the Professor was insulting Prophet Mohammed. The Professor explained that he never meant the prophet, instead since the man is muslim, he used a common muslim name only and expressed regret over the incident in which unknowingly his action caused so much anguish to muslims. After that only, a bunch of muslim young men cut off the right palm of the professor in broad daylight. Mind you, this happened in India, a democratic country where muslims are a minority. This is the type of muslim intolerance you can see everywhere. If this is the case in a democratic country, what would be the intensity of collective muslim anger in a muslim- dominated country? You can imagine. These gentlemen, Malem and Reed Wilson may simply laugh off these things and say that they i.e the perpetrators are not muslims. That kind of hypocrytes, these rascals are. In fact, my wife dissuades me from writing anything against Islam in these columns. She naturally fears some danger to me. My reply is that I am not disclosing my identity. In this backdrop only I gave a word of caution to you. Muslims are dangerous animals and they draw their inspiration from Quran which is nothing but a manual of hate and violence. Whatever these rascals say also and how much arabian perfume they shower on Islam also, the basic nature of Islam and Quran will not change. It will continue to remain as the greatest threat to humanity.
written by Archpagan , April 21, 2011
It seems at long last you have found your soul mate in Malem. 'Birds of a feather flock together' translates into ' Two thieves are maternal cousins' (i. e. sons of two sisters) in my mother tongue. So, you may need some serious inquiry. Malem is going on a global tour and I bet Pakistan will be on his itinerary and he will receive some 'religious training' there. I am asserting this because 'Koran only' Muslims are found in internet only.
written by fineliving56 , April 21, 2011
Islamic stories similar of that teacher ,are in abundance in the ever true to its teachings ,Islam . I like to express my sorrow for the sheer injustice of cutting this poor's teacher write hand that he needs for his skill and livelihood .
What peace, happiness and love , muslims spread on the world ….WOW…. it is too much …..we do not know what to do with the extras….really …stop….we are drenched ….boooo
This hypocrite , sorry excuse of a man , Quran lover ,is exposed in the eyes of the readers here . He showed his ruthlessness twice in his posts ….1.. with the rape of cbs knows anchor Lara , and …2..with the burning of the three gay man, by saying one way or anther , that these people deserve what happened to them by quoting from his hateful Quran . He had to remedy his slip of a ben so to speak by sugar coating and throwing sand in our eyes …he is so stupid to think we are stupid enough to believe his garbage .
Now his twin Malem did not let him self slip , he maintained the story of peace and love spreading, but he is not fooling any one , he even wants us to disclose our real names after I asked him to go on CNN to fight the extremists …he does not realize that the responsibility does not falls on our shoulders but IN FACT , it falls on the ISLAM DEFENDERS like him and his twin .
I refuse to run scared …I refuse to shot up ….I refuse to give in …I even want to expose my real name ….I stop my self every time for I have no support around me . If only I could meet ex muslims personally …there is not one that I know off except my one son that I saved from the mouth of the monster .
Plus I like to keep my write hand to type and paint , if that is the only fear I should have .
Kafirwala …your post effected me this morning …I find my anger and sadness always waiting in the wings to pop up and after that the avalanche of pure despair and torment just sets in.
I am sorry .
What peace, happiness and love , muslims spread on the world ….WOW…. it is too much …..we do not know what to do with the extras….really …stop….we are drenched ….boooo
This hypocrite , sorry excuse of a man , Quran lover ,is exposed in the eyes of the readers here . He showed his ruthlessness twice in his posts ….1.. with the rape of cbs knows anchor Lara , and …2..with the burning of the three gay man, by saying one way or anther , that these people deserve what happened to them by quoting from his hateful Quran . He had to remedy his slip of a ben so to speak by sugar coating and throwing sand in our eyes …he is so stupid to think we are stupid enough to believe his garbage .
Now his twin Malem did not let him self slip , he maintained the story of peace and love spreading, but he is not fooling any one , he even wants us to disclose our real names after I asked him to go on CNN to fight the extremists …he does not realize that the responsibility does not falls on our shoulders but IN FACT , it falls on the ISLAM DEFENDERS like him and his twin .
I refuse to run scared …I refuse to shot up ….I refuse to give in …I even want to expose my real name ….I stop my self every time for I have no support around me . If only I could meet ex muslims personally …there is not one that I know off except my one son that I saved from the mouth of the monster .
Plus I like to keep my write hand to type and paint , if that is the only fear I should have .
Kafirwala …your post effected me this morning …I find my anger and sadness always waiting in the wings to pop up and after that the avalanche of pure despair and torment just sets in.
I am sorry .
written by lw1 , April 21, 2011
Gaddafi kills Muslims and the Indonesian Muslims ignore it. USA and other countries, with UN authorisation attack Gaddafi's forces and Indonesian Muslims demonstrate and accuse USA of killing Muslims. There are other countries who are bombing Libya besides USA, but these brain-washed people blame only USA. This is what Islamic brain-washing does.
The excuse that the Muslims doing the killing are not Muslims is not convincing, and is only clutching at straws.
The excuse that the Muslims doing the killing are not Muslims is not convincing, and is only clutching at straws.
written by lw1 , April 21, 2011
Do not lose heart, you are doing service to humanity.
written by Reed Wilson. , April 21, 2011
Archpagan. " Two thieves are maternal cousins' (i. e. sons of two sisters) in my mother tongue. So, you may need some serious inquiry".
It is only in your mother tongue. It may be just by chance. My travel advisory to him is to remove Pakistan from his itinerary. There is risk of Obama's drones there. If he follows Quran, he does not need 'religious training' nor it is available there.
Quran only is a misnomer. Quran followers follow all apostles including Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Jesus etc. They were not Quran only. The friends of Jesus (Nasara in Quran) were also Muslims according to Quran.
They are found 'only on internet' is a reality_ a painful reality. We should be bold like all the apostles.
It is only in your mother tongue. It may be just by chance. My travel advisory to him is to remove Pakistan from his itinerary. There is risk of Obama's drones there. If he follows Quran, he does not need 'religious training' nor it is available there.
Quran only is a misnomer. Quran followers follow all apostles including Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Jesus etc. They were not Quran only. The friends of Jesus (Nasara in Quran) were also Muslims according to Quran.
They are found 'only on internet' is a reality_ a painful reality. We should be bold like all the apostles.
written by duh_swami , April 21, 2011
The BS flying around here is so thick I think you could cut it with a butter knife...Right Reed?
written by Kafirwala , April 21, 2011
Your words touched my heart. I can understand your feelings. You must have suffered a lot as a muslim woman that you have only contempt for Islam today. My heart goes out to you and the thousands and thousands of innocent souls who suffer innumerable cruelties under the yoke of Islam, the most barbarian cult the world has ever seen. In fact, I am writing against this barbarian cult is to show my solidarity with the victimised poor, innocent souls like you. Only this I can do in the present circumstances. I naturally dream of seeing a world without this cancerous growth on its body of humanity called Islam. I don't know whether my dream will come true during my lifetime. Even if it doesn't happen during my lifetime, I am confident that this supermacist, hateful, violent and utterly barbarian ideaology will be consigned to its proper place one day i.e the dustbin of history, just like the once- mighty communism.
In these columns what you are doing is a great service. You are exposing that convulsive liar-cum-hypocrite par excellence Reed Wilson without mincing any words. With his Arabic knowledge he tries to misinterpret Quran and mislead the readers in this site. You are on vigil and your timely intervention really is helpful to know his deceptions. Even when his deceptions are exposed, he is not ashamed and has a skin thicker than the hippopotamus is another matter. My only request to you is - continue the good work. I am a god believer, not in Allah, the satan. But in the real God who is kind, compassionate and loving towards all men, irrespective of race, caste, creed or any distinction. I pray that God to grant you courage to withstand any onslaught and to have peace of mind always.
written by Duh_swami , April 22, 2011
But in the real God who is kind, compassionate and loving towards all men, irrespective of race, caste, creed or any distinction...
Then, it would seem to make good sense to practice these God qualities ourselves...What would be the condition of a person who was actually doing that?
In order to love to that extent requires overcoming obstacles...This is called magick...
The other way to achieve those high levels are the various meditations... Mysticism...
The easiest and best way, is to pretend that you have love in abundance, and pretend like you are giving it away...This is sustained pretending...If you pretend to be most anything for long enough, you will arrive at a point where you are no longer pretending...This is the power of imagination...You can become anything you can imagine, barring physical limitations...But love has no physical limitations, and is available to anyone who is aware of it, and wants it...
Sustained pretending is safer and easier than magick and faster than meditation...It takes no special training, anyone can do it...start today...
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Then, it would seem to make good sense to practice these God qualities ourselves...What would be the condition of a person who was actually doing that?
In order to love to that extent requires overcoming obstacles...This is called magick...
The other way to achieve those high levels are the various meditations... Mysticism...
The easiest and best way, is to pretend that you have love in abundance, and pretend like you are giving it away...This is sustained pretending...If you pretend to be most anything for long enough, you will arrive at a point where you are no longer pretending...This is the power of imagination...You can become anything you can imagine, barring physical limitations...But love has no physical limitations, and is available to anyone who is aware of it, and wants it...
Sustained pretending is safer and easier than magick and faster than meditation...It takes no special training, anyone can do it...start today...
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written by Kafirwala , April 22, 2011
'Then, it would seem to make good sense to practice these God qualities ourselves...'
Is it possible? I don't think it is possible for ordinary, imperfect and non- descript people like we. Magic, mysticism, meditation etc. also don't come into our normal lives. Pretension is a form of deception only. So it is better we try to be the natural we. My concept of God is that of perfection. We all are imperfect and there is a limit we can go in any direction or do anything. Just remove these limitations and think of a state where we can do anything we imagine. That is where God exists. If you ask me whether God exists for sure, my answer will be I don't know. But, I like to imagine that there is God. Not the one who has made a big furnace and threatening everybody to deep fry in it , if his faulty instructions are not followed. That fake god you can see only in Islam. My God is different. He eggs me on to do good things, admonishes me when I go wrong or do some mistakes and asks me to correct it. This approval or admonition comes from within. That is why I described him as loving, kind and compassionate. I can't say how much comfort he provides me. I am at peace with myself because of this inner counsel coming to me as a result of my belief in that just and equitable God.
Is it possible? I don't think it is possible for ordinary, imperfect and non- descript people like we. Magic, mysticism, meditation etc. also don't come into our normal lives. Pretension is a form of deception only. So it is better we try to be the natural we. My concept of God is that of perfection. We all are imperfect and there is a limit we can go in any direction or do anything. Just remove these limitations and think of a state where we can do anything we imagine. That is where God exists. If you ask me whether God exists for sure, my answer will be I don't know. But, I like to imagine that there is God. Not the one who has made a big furnace and threatening everybody to deep fry in it , if his faulty instructions are not followed. That fake god you can see only in Islam. My God is different. He eggs me on to do good things, admonishes me when I go wrong or do some mistakes and asks me to correct it. This approval or admonition comes from within. That is why I described him as loving, kind and compassionate. I can't say how much comfort he provides me. I am at peace with myself because of this inner counsel coming to me as a result of my belief in that just and equitable God.
written by lw1 , April 22, 2011
BBC. 21/4/11. Acquittals in Pakistan rape case
Five of six men charged over a village council SANCTIONED gang rape in Pakistan have been acquitted by Supreme Court.
The court upheld the decision of a lower court, which included commuting the death penalty of the sixth man to life imprisonment.
The victim, Mukhataran Mai, hit world headlines after speaking out about her ordeal in 2002.
She has since become an icon for womens' rights in Pakistan.
She said she now feared for her life.
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Islam is the problem and if only Quran remains, the world is doomed.
Five of six men charged over a village council SANCTIONED gang rape in Pakistan have been acquitted by Supreme Court.
The court upheld the decision of a lower court, which included commuting the death penalty of the sixth man to life imprisonment.
The victim, Mukhataran Mai, hit world headlines after speaking out about her ordeal in 2002.
She has since become an icon for womens' rights in Pakistan.
She said she now feared for her life.
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Islam is the problem and if only Quran remains, the world is doomed.
written by duh_swami , April 22, 2011
Is it possible?
Yes it is...
'I don't think it is possible for ordinary, imperfect and non- descript people like we. Magic, mysticism, meditation etc. also don't come into our normal lives'.
You are right, they don't come into the normal life, that's why it's normal...If you want to be something other than normal, you have to do something different...Anyone can pretend to be a loving person, and act like that's what they are doing...It requires no education nor physical strength...If someone thinks that pretending to be loving has no effect, try pretending the opposite for a while, if you pretend to the throne of hate and discontent, you will soon see why pretending to love is a much better choice...That is, if you desire to lift yourself from normal to excellent...
Yes it is...
'I don't think it is possible for ordinary, imperfect and non- descript people like we. Magic, mysticism, meditation etc. also don't come into our normal lives'.
You are right, they don't come into the normal life, that's why it's normal...If you want to be something other than normal, you have to do something different...Anyone can pretend to be a loving person, and act like that's what they are doing...It requires no education nor physical strength...If someone thinks that pretending to be loving has no effect, try pretending the opposite for a while, if you pretend to the throne of hate and discontent, you will soon see why pretending to love is a much better choice...That is, if you desire to lift yourself from normal to excellent...
written by fineliving56 , April 22, 2011
I do value the understanding your post and other posters shows of what is happening with me and someone like me who left Islam …but I do also feel embarrassed , after I read my post again , it feels like I am whining and I hated it because I have better life and I do have fine living (somewhat) now in America comparing to other ex muslims who are being murdered for it …I , AM THANKFUL .
My family left me alone about Islam issue as long I have my mouth shut .
I have a gag order told to me by my husband and he said that this is his house and if I do not like it , the door is open …so I try to shut my mouth …but it is not shutting ……it seems it has a life of its own …..:-).
I will continue posting here …it started out as a place to scream my frustrations …but it became much more then that …it became a must do
if anything …it is, to be a guard against the lies in the Arabic languish that Quran lovers try to do , to represent the hateful Quran in a harmless way ….and of course it is not working and he knows it .
My family left me alone about Islam issue as long I have my mouth shut .
I have a gag order told to me by my husband and he said that this is his house and if I do not like it , the door is open …so I try to shut my mouth …but it is not shutting ……it seems it has a life of its own …..:-).
I will continue posting here …it started out as a place to scream my frustrations …but it became much more then that …it became a must do
if anything …it is, to be a guard against the lies in the Arabic languish that Quran lovers try to do , to represent the hateful Quran in a harmless way ….and of course it is not working and he knows it .
written by Kafirwala , April 22, 2011
'If someone thinks that pretending to be loving has no effect, try pretending the opposite for a while..'
Pretending to hate. Right now I hate the barbaric cult of Islam based on hate philosophy and its brain- washed zombie adherents and apologists. But, that is not pretending. It is real. I see it as the cancer on humanity. Nothing else is coming to my mind worthy of hate at the moment.
I will certainly bear in mind your above piece of advice.
Pretending to hate. Right now I hate the barbaric cult of Islam based on hate philosophy and its brain- washed zombie adherents and apologists. But, that is not pretending. It is real. I see it as the cancer on humanity. Nothing else is coming to my mind worthy of hate at the moment.
I will certainly bear in mind your above piece of advice.
written by Kafirwala , April 22, 2011
I do understand your feelings and the trauma through which you have passed. In your own house living as ex- muslim when your husband is a practising muslim needs a lot of mental courage and valour. Anyway, treat your bitter experiences as a nightmare and prepare to live intelligently and with self- confidence. I suggest that you read the articles of Dr. Ali Sina of the faithfreedominternational.org and alisina.com who is an ex- muslim himself. He gives a lot of tips to ex- muslims how to live their life intelligently in a muslim society. If posting in this site and other similar sites gives you satisfaction and you feel that you are venting out your frustration and ill- will through it, please don't stop it. You should continue to expose the quran loving hypocrites and charlatans who appear in this site regularly and the ones who simply come, hit and run.
Goodluck!
Goodluck!
written by dsds , April 22, 2011
Where is allah sent quran now? allah stolen one God from the Bible, Deu 6:4. allah copied Adam, Abraham, Noah...etc names from the Bible. allah copied Jesus's stories from the Bible. allah copied judgement day, paradise, heaven, hell from the Bible. allah is a copy-cat.
written by Duh_swami , April 23, 2011
Hate means intense dislike...There are many things to dislike intently...Like you intensely dislike curry, or you really hate it when you hit your thumb with a hammer, or you hate the idea of being murdered in your bed...The problem is not hate itself, it is irrational hate...So is your hatred of Islam, irrational? You do not need to pretend what is already real...Pretending to hate is an experiment, that is only suggested as a contrast to pretending to love...I would discourage anyone from actually doing it...It can cause serious injury and pain...
written by Tomko , May 01, 2011
Imagine going to University. You get up in the morning check your schedule. Hmmm...lets see...1st class is Physics, then Chemistry, and after lunch Calculus and finally Protein Synthesis.
Then you just grab your QURAN and off to class you go, because the quran contains ALL the knowledge of the world so no other books will be necessary. No need for cumbersome back packs, or note books; why take notes everything necessary to be written has already been written and it exists in the quran.
After you've received your degree corporation will be lining up to offer you a job.
Then you just grab your QURAN and off to class you go, because the quran contains ALL the knowledge of the world so no other books will be necessary. No need for cumbersome back packs, or note books; why take notes everything necessary to be written has already been written and it exists in the quran.
After you've received your degree corporation will be lining up to offer you a job.
written by Simple_Logic , May 03, 2011
Burning all other books will make schools & university shut down because there will be nothing to study and this teacher will himself become Unemployed. Its like cutting the branch of the tree by sitting on it . I really don't think that Allah was just produces an evil , sex maniac etc. but idiots and fools too..
written by Reed Wilson. , May 04, 2011
Simple_Logic. "Burning all other books will make schools & university shut down...".
I think by books he means scriptures.
I think by books he means scriptures.
written by DK , July 12, 2011
Go to this article which throws light on the hidden untold history of Jesus. Christianity and Islam are no religion. Their ancestors followed Vadic religion worshipping Shiva. A big cheat to mankind.
http://www.thaiexotictreasures.com/christ_of_india_essene_christianity.html
http://www.thaiexotictreasures.com/christ_of_india_essene_christianity.html
written by Cerebrum123 , July 12, 2011
Jesus did NOT go to India to be taught by Buddhists or Hindus. The site you posted has NO REAL EVIDENCE of this actually happening here is a rebuttal of your post http://answering-islam.org/Ahmadiyya/notovich.htm
written by Ruqi , February 20, 2012
The Quran is the only holy book I know of that agrees with science and it also states scientifically accurate fact and theories that are widel agree with even by our fellow. Christian but yet their holy book doesn't seem to correspond with that because it's has been changed throughout the years to fit there life instead of following the natural essence of it and if they did our religiOns would be exactly alike because they r both from one creator but two different messengers who preach the same thing. I'm a 16 year old girl in new jersey USA and Im well respected by my fellow classmates. And n
Many of ny science teacher have read over my essays on islam and science and found the verses very accurate. Its speaks of the big bang, embryo to fetus and much more
Check out this site
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http://www.missionislam.com/science/book.htm
Many of ny science teacher have read over my essays on islam and science and found the verses very accurate. Its speaks of the big bang, embryo to fetus and much more
Check out this site
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http://www.missionislam.com/science/book.htm
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