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The 10 Most Diabolical Teachings in Human History

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Following are the 10 most evil teachings in history that surprisingly are divine teachings of Islamic God Allah. Obviously, Islam’s Allah was not the God, Whom the pre-Islamic Arabs used to worship as their God, but was the alter-ego of Muhammad.

Every word of the Quran was Muhammad’s own, which he put on the tongue of his imaginary friend Allah.  Islam is out and out fraudulent. (For detailed explanation of each teaching go to http://www.islamreform.net/new-page-145.htm )

Most evil teaching # 1: Islam’s paradise of evil, demented, depraved sexual perversity

Verse 9:111 – Muslim’s passport to paradise

“Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph.”

Islam teaches that if Muslims slay or are slain (kill or are killed) in the service of God, i.e. Jihad, they are guaranteed accession to Allah’s paradise of depraved sexual perversity. Islam’s Paradise is filled with whorish virgins possessing voluptuous breasts and lustrous eyes. Muslims, blessed with an access to Paradise, will have 72 such virgins to engage in incessant copulation. Furthermore, a Muslim’s surest way of getting a passport to Paradise, says Allah, is to get slain while trying to kill the kafirs. The Quran is no more a holy book than Playboy, Penthouse, and Hustler are holy books. Indeed, the Quran is worse in that it incites unrestrained murder of infidels.

Most evil teaching # 2: Kill the infidels wherever you find them

Quran 9:5 (the infamous verse of the sword inciting mass murder):

“Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.”

Verse 9:5 teaches Muslims to commit mass-murder. The kafirs must either convert to Islam, who would keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate (zakat), or be murdered. Command for unconditional slaying of humans, God’s own creations, by other humans – when presented as a sacred teaching of the almighty Creator – becomes a most evil teaching.

It is needless to say that such teachings never came from the God, if there is one.

Most evil teaching # 3: Extortion

Verse 9:29:

“Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.”

Here, Allah the Islamic God commands Muslims to attack and kill the so-called 'people of the book’ (i.e. Jews and Christians), until they are defeated and submitted to the supremacy of Islam and, in willing humiliation, pay jizya (submission) tax to Muslims. Like verse 9:5, 9:29 is a call to mass murder and extermination. Only Hitler had openly instructed his followers to exterminate the Jews so completely. When such a teaching is presented as a teaching of the Creator of the Universe, it becomes extremely evil.

Most evil teaching # 4: Verse 5:33 – verse of barbaric cruelty

In order to portray Islam as a wonderful religion, Muslim taqqiyah tacticians, including President Obama, will always quote the verse 5:32, which says, “We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind.

This verse, as ridiculous as it is, says Allah, was decreed upon the Children of Israel, not Muslims. The verse that applies to Muslims is the next one – verse 5:33, a verse of barbaric cruelty – which these deceptive apologists of Islam would never quote. Verse 5:33 says:

“The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;”

Teachings as contained in this verse – “they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land” – are cruel and barbaric in nature. When those teachings are presented as God’s, it becomes extremely evil, no better than those Hitler had committed.

Most evil teaching # 5: Verse 65.4 -- Allah’s teaching of pedophilia

Quran 65:4 says:

And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the 'Iddah (prescribed divorce period), if you have doubts (about their periods), is three months, and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise, except in case of death]. And for those who are pregnant (whether they are divorced or their husbands are dead), their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is until they deliver (their burdens) (give birth) and whosoever fears Allah and keeps his duty to Him, He will make his matter easy for him.”

The most important duty of any species is the care and protection of its young. The prime duty of mankind is to raise children in a safe and caring environment, so they can progress into responsible adults. There is no worse crime than the sexual abuse and exploitation of children. But verse 65:4 clearly approves marriages and sexual copulation with pre-pubescent little girls, who haven’t started menstruating yet. And Muhammad  at the age of 50 duly complied with this sanction of Allah by marrying his niece Aisha, only 6 years old.

This is an extremely evil teaching. Allah is a pedophile monster.

Most evil teaching # 6: Verse 33:50 – sanctioning unrestrained slavery and rape for Muhammad by his Allah

Verse 33.50 says:

“O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those [slaves] whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her – specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful”.

The term "possessions of the right hand" mean slaves. It is expressly stated that Muhammad's slaves, which he attained as a share of the captives in raiding infidels communities, were actually given to him by Allah Himself. And Allah also makes raping them halal for Muhammad (and his Muslim followers).

The verse also gives a special privilege to Muhammad to marry as many wives as he desires, beyond the restriction of four wives for ordinary Muslims.

When God’s teachings encourage a people to wage wars to capture the women for raping as well as encourages His holy prophet to engage in unrestrained marriage for sexual gratification, there can’t be a teaching as evil as this in such matters.

Most evil teaching # 7: Quran’s Sanction of Wife Beating

Quran 4:34:

"Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."

A Muslim woman is the property of her husband. A Muslim husband has the legal right and religious obligation to beat a wife if she disobeys him, is disloyal to him or simply does not please him. The concept of wife abuse does not exist in Islam. There is no concept of martial rape. A Muslim woman cannot refuse sex with her husband. According to Islamic law, a husband may strike his wife for any one of the following four reasons:

  1. She does not attempt to make herself beautiful for him (i.e. "let's herself go")
  2. She refuses to meet his sexual demands
  3. She leaves the house without his permission or a "legitimate reason"
  4. She neglects her religious duties

Any of these are also sufficient grounds for divorce. These are evil affronts to the idea of equality and dignity of women – very evil teachings, indeed.

Most evil teaching # 8: Allah takes a shares of plundered booty

Quran 8:41

“And know that out of all the booty that ye may acquire (in war), a fifth share is assigned to Allah, - and to the Messenger, and to near relatives, orphans, the needy, and the wayfarer, - if ye do believe in Allah and in the revelation We sent down to Our servant on the Day of Testing, - the Day of the meeting of the two forces. For Allah hath power over all things.”

This verse was revealed about how the booty captured in wars – such as after attacking and mass-slaughtering the Jews of Banu Quraiza – would be distributed. And most horribly the Islamic Allah Himself claims a share of the booty along with His prophet. God is the Creator of everything in the Universe. When that God encourages some people to attack and mass-murder others, so He Himself can take a share from the wealth captured from those murder people – no evil can get higher than this.

Most evil teaching # 9: Verse 24:2 – Allah is a barbarian

Adultery and fornication must be punished by flogging with a hundred stripes

Quran 24:2 says:

“The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication, -- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by God, if ye believe in God and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.”

This verse says that Muslims must not have mercy on people, who commit adultery or fornication, and punish them brutally with 100 lashes in public. However, since other verses in the Quran specifically allow men to have sex slaves, the horrible crime of serial rape against a non-Muslim woman is not considered adultery or fornication and would not be punished as the woman would be considered God-given concubine.

What kind of person could flog a woman 100 times for having sex with the man she loves? On the other hand, Islamic God, evil as He is, allows men to force sex upon their unwilling wives (verse 4:34). Undoubtedly the God of Islam is out and out barbaric to sanction evil teachings such as these.

Most evil teaching # 10: Teachings of torture, enslavement, beheading cruelty, eye-for-eye …..

There are 3,990 teachings of the Quran that are all evil. Only a few listed below under # 10 evil teachings.

TORTURE

Quran 22:19-22: “fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem” “for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods

SLAVERY

Quran 2.178: “O you who believe! retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the slain, the free for the free, and the slave for the slave, and the female for the female, but if any remission is made to any one by his (aggrieved) brother, then prosecution (for the bloodwit) should be made according to usage, and payment should be made to him in a good manner; this is an alleviation from your Lord and a mercy; so whoever exceeds the limit after this he shall have a painful chastisement.

You kill one of my slaves, females or free man and I’ll kill one of your slaves, females or free man.

BARBARIC CRUELTY

Quran 5:38: “Cut off the hands of thieves, whether they are male or female, as punishment for what they have done-a deterrent from God: God is almighty and wise.” 39 “But if anyone repents after his wrongdoing and makes amends, God will accept his repentance: God is most forgiving and merciful.

EYE FOR EYE

Quran 5:45: “And We prescribed for them therein: The life for the life, and the eye for the eye, and the nose for the nose, and the ear for the ear, and the tooth for the tooth, and for wounds retaliation.   But whoso forgoeth it (in the way of charity) it shall be expiation for him. Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed such as wrong-doers.

BEHEADING

Quran 8.12: “Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."

There are 75 teachings of beheading in Quran.

SLAUGHTERING

Quran-8:67: “It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.” (Allah insisting Prophet to kill all the prisoners, and should not keep any surrendered prisoners alive until He (Prophet) occupied entire Arabia.)

The Quran is a mine of most evil teachings human history has ever seen. Islam is out and out Evil in the Name of God.

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Jake Neuman is the author of “Islam and Sharia Law Are Treason: Jihad Is Treason” (free download).  His book ISLAM -- EVIL IN THE NAME OF GOD™ was banned in Malaysia.

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written by duh_swami , February 05, 2012
Islam in a nutshell, thanks Jake...
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Actually, the list is endless
written by Chris , February 05, 2012
Jake may have picked the top ten, but the list is endless: Confining until death a woman accused of fornication (Surah 4:15); forbidding Muhammad's young widows from ever remarrying (Surah 33:53); the Islamic excuse for poverty -- that Allah's generosity would just spoil the Muslims (42:27); that women are the plowing fields for men who can enter anyway they want (2:223); contradictions in the Quran are abrogated (2:102); justification for honor killing (Surah 18:74 and 18:80). Other readers can add their own outrageous texts from the Quran.
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cruelty and Islam
written by s.sreenivasiah , February 05, 2012
those who says Islam means peace, should read this
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I like to thank Mr.Neuman for this well doen article
written by Fineliving56 , February 05, 2012
Even when I know and lived through, Islam's famous shameful teachings, like the ones, author Mr. Neuman, beautifully laid out, I still can have the feeling suffocation when any Islam related teachings gets displayed ... I have read ex Muslim testimonies and few have felt that way ...
I was watching an American film with my Muslim family in my daughter house, suddenly the screen switch to azzan [ call for prayer] ... the computer was programed to have the azzan, interrupts any program, five times a day, I was not expecting it so I had a moment of explosion of pure anger and suffocation ..the red color must have shown in my face because I caught my, slay, Islam freak, son in law, looking at me for my reaction ... I had to grind my teeth and did not say anything, while it kept on...and ...on, like it usually does. It took half an hour to start again, by then I lost all eagerness to finish. He, does throw, Islam right in my face every time he gets the chance because he knows I am no longer a Muslimah and that makes him act weird and artificial .
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written by oaks , February 05, 2012
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haha...
written by bundypig , February 05, 2012
so they're all mu$lim pages, taqiyya at it's best eh oaks, I suppose you will say "there is no such thing as taqiyya" go join kope and aki in the little boys room
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and...
written by bundypig , February 06, 2012
"8,9,10 are just pathetic, even by your standards."
So your conceding 1-7?
No bollocks, you lose again
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During the Iran-Iraq War of 1980-88
written by Yibel , February 06, 2012
Iranian children as young as 12 were ordered to 'clear minefields' with their little bodies by the Mullah-regime as a way to'paradise'

Iran imported 500,000 plastic keys from Taiwan and an Iranian law laid down that children as young as 12 could be used to clear mine fields, even against the objections of their parents. Before every mission, a small plastic key would be hung around each of the children’s necks. It was supposed to open for them the gates to paradise. …. “Before entering the mine fields, the children (now) wrap themselves in blankets and they roll on the ground, so that their body parts stay together after the explosion of the mines and one can carry them to the graves.”

Chinese plastic keys? Half a million of them? What will Allah think of next?
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oaks
written by duh_swami , February 06, 2012
Life is beautiful all the time in Islam, isn't it Oaks? Tiny Tim used to sing a song about that...'Tiptoe through the tulips with me'...Yes Oaks, Islam is like a field of tulips...and you are tiptoeing through it...Just one word of caution Oaks, watch out for the snakes...
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Oaks
written by fineliving56 , February 06, 2012
Excuses …excuses …excuses

Muslim on Muslim biasses, empty explanations to inexcusable acts done and sanctioned in a book[ Quran] made by muslim men for muslim men …

It should be unacceptable to any rationale humen beings [ not a muslim of course ] to give excuses to beheadings, beatings, slashing, cutting limbs, owning slaves, sleep with owned salves, collect wives, child marriages, steal inheritance … etc…

No God, should be involved in ordering the torture of any living things that *IT* SUPPOSEDLY , created, with merciful and loving intent …...enemy or otherwise .

Tell, that to your followers Muslim fools … here people know, you and people who think like you are sad lot, because of your cemented, brain watched brains that have no hope of ever waking up .
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@ Oaks
written by Archpagan , February 06, 2012
Even bullshit is better than Islamic virtue and morality.

It took me just one second to understand.
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stinking Oak
written by exmuslim , February 06, 2012
Islam stinks just like you Oak.
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OT … Syria is going through full flagged war
written by fineliving56 , February 06, 2012
8 thousand Syrian killed ,tortured … 350 killed only Sunday … the city of Hums is being shelled right now … children are being blown away in bombs … being massacred …torched …. the lambs are still innocents … oh .. I can not take it any more … that basters of a man Basher, thinks he is saving his country from the Sonnies Islamist fanatic … but he is doing worse ….Him and his ruthless armies are killing without discrimination …. men women and children …Oh … I can not call my family any more, the phone lines are not working today … Aleppo still in tacts … people staying in side their homes, Humes's people are angry with the Aleppo people for not participating in the fight …
Everyone , thinks that if the Al thouwar took over Syria … the massacre will turn to Aleppo for the punishment that they had it, coming, for not helping.

They are being humiliated by calling Aleppo men … Hermat [ weak women ] who need to buy mini skirts and lipsticks .

My past country is being destroyed …. oh ...is their any end to all this killing and distructin … is their any light in the end of the tunnel

I morn the innocents children …. basher and his gang ….the thugs the murders …will have to pay for what they are committing … will have to pay
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Islam is pure evil
written by Guy Macher , February 06, 2012
This list is further proof Islam does not belong in the civilized world. Thank you for this article, Jake.
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Fine Living
written by duh_swami , February 06, 2012
Im have been reading of the terrible situation in Syria...I hope your family is out of the way...
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Allah be praised
written by Jimi Akbar , February 07, 2012
It is blaphamy to suggest Mohammed can't have all the women he wants. Surely your bones will be faggots for hell's fire.
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Jimi Akbar
written by duh_swami , February 07, 2012
Obviously Mohammad had all the women he wanted, some volunteered, some he raped, old women, young women, Muslim women, slave women, child women, and a few boys just for fun...Mohammad spent way more time laying around with women than he did raiding villages and caravans...There are only so many hours in a day, and we can see how he spent most of them...If Mohammad set aside two hours a day for governance, four hours for prayers, three hours for eating, seven hours for robbery expeditions, and seven hours for sleep...That's 23 hours leaving only one hour to have sex with his 13 wives, countless slave girls and Aisha...That means that the time spent with each woman was about 1 1/2 minutes... Everyone knows that Mohammad was fast but they didn't know he was that fast...
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Jimi Akbar
written by fineliving56 , February 07, 2012
If you are being sarcastic ? … I like the dark joke but you should write sarcastic inside brackets ...if it is …please disregard, what about to say …

If not, and you are, Mr, Muslim serious, and you believe that it IS a blasphemy to suggest that Muhammad can't have all the women he wants … well then … shot your gapping hole in your face !!!!

shame on you Mr. Muhammad lover … by condoning all the womanizing Muhammad, did,hiding behind his imagined Allah to give him self, variety of different holes to satisfy his sick obsession with sex and women, whom he having the sex with …

Your sick Muhammad was not having sex, he was urinating in his many women.

Akbar …your Muhammad was a laughing joke among his wives especially Ayshia … because he was to weak to satisfy so many women … he was angry of his near impotency so he collected women and settled to just rub him self against their bare thighs . ….

The stories of Sirah and hadeeth [ Muhammd's version sex, lies and writing [ video] tapes , are so shameful … you should be so embarrassed, you sick muslims …. you should not dare to look in people's eyes … you should be so ashamed, it should push you to drop to your knees in apologetic gesture … but then again …LOOK WHO I MY TALKING TO … a muslim who has no shame.

God your kind makes me so angreeeeeeeeeeeeee


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Sorry ...OT
written by fineliving56 , February 07, 2012
Some sources saying that the number of murdered Syrians are not 5..8..thousand people, but 15 to 20 thousand people and counting …

Now, not only the American embassy recalled all their people back to home, which I do not blame and it should have been done earlier, all other embassy did the same thing and they are sending all Syrian counsels back home.

What next … is it world war on Syria ??? …like the war in Iraq and Libya

mixed feelings to say the least …I despise war

sighhhhhhhhhhhh
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Duh Swami
written by fineliving56 , February 07, 2012
My family is mostly from and live in Aleppo and they are safe for now … but things are changing so fast now … the thing is that, NOT participation in the fight against Bashar is going come back and bite Aleppo in rear.
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The Book of Lies...
written by duh_swami , February 08, 2012
The most evil, the most diabolical of all is...Allah is God, and Mohammad his messenger...Commonly called shahada...All the other diabolical's depend on that one...
If Allah was not God, no one would read his book and his messenger would have to seek other employment...The root of all evil is not money, it is shahada...
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swami
written by tanstaafl jw , February 11, 2012
after reading the Qur'an, I can only conclude that Allah is Mohammed's creation.











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Islam is the best
written by Muslim and proud , February 12, 2012
What nonesense - anyone can provide a biased view - why are you people have left Islam, yet it's quite obvious Islam has not left you - lol
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Muslim and proud
written by fineliving56 , February 12, 2012
Yes Islam left us ….Be assured … really!

You shouldn't be proud … Muslim …. you should be ashamed of your self….

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Contradiction
written by Muslim & Proud , February 12, 2012
Fineliving - I am proud to be a muslim and will always be. I would rather be dead than leave Islam.

Jake (the person who wrote the article)

You quoted the Holy Quran as follows:

“And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the 'Iddah (prescribed divorce period), if you have doubts (about their periods), is three months, and for those who have no courses “And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the 'Iddah (prescribed divorce period), if you have doubts (about their periods), is three months, and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise, except in case of death]. And for those who are pregnant (whether they are divorced or their husbands are dead), their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is until they deliver (their burdens) (give birth) and whosoever fears Allah and keeps his duty to Him, He will make his matter easy for him.”

It's interesting to see "[(i.e. they are still immature)] added here - this is a complete misinterpretation which allows you to pursue your bias..........
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Really?
written by Muslim & Proud , February 12, 2012
Fineliving,

You said:

"Yes Islam left us ….Be assured … really!"

Yet, you are still dedicating your life to Islam.....

Who are you trying to convince.......yourself? lol
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Teaching number 1
written by Muslim & Proud , February 12, 2012
Oh dear........what is this guy talking about.

"says Allah, is to get slain while trying to kill the kafirs"

Errrm, did you ever consider self defence - doh!

Nowhere does it say in the Holy Qur'an that muslims must go out in their spare time and kill non-muslims, for the sake of achieving Paradise.

The explanation provided in teaching number 1 in this article is absurd. Even a 10 year old muslim could refute it........
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Teaching number 2
written by Muslim & Proud , February 12, 2012
Once again, the author seems to be all over the place.

"Verse 9:5 teaches Muslims to commit mass-murder."

Verse 9:5 does not teach me to "commit mass murder" - how foolish of you to determine what this verse teaches muslims

"The kafirs must either convert to Islam, who would keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate (zakat), or be murdered."

Really?

"Command for unconditional slaying of humans, God’s own creations, by other humans – when presented as a sacred teaching of the almighty Creator – becomes a most evil teaching."

Unconditional slaying?

You have lost the plot.
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Muslim and proud
written by fineliving56 , February 12, 2012
I am not trying to convince anyone …. I call as I see it … and what I have seen through out my living as a Muslimah is enough to make sick …

Islam Is inhuman and it is a travesty against anything remotely good and decent …

Go back to the folds of Quran …

proud Muslim ….if you a man go to your obedient wife she is waiting to be beaten according to Q/3/34 …. and if you are a Muslimah …. well then…. I really feel sorry for you … Islam let you down shamefully .
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Teaching number 3
written by Muslim & Proud , February 12, 2012
Diabolical explanation from the author once again:

Verse 9:29:

“Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.”

After quoting the Holy Qur'an, the author says:

"Here, Allah the Islamic God commands Muslims to attack and kill the so-called 'people of the book’ (i.e. Jews and Christians)"

Where are the words ATTACK and KILL?

"Like verse 9:5, 9:29 is a call to mass murder and extermination."

Where are the words MASS MURDER
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Eh?
written by Muslim and proud , February 12, 2012
Fine living..

You could not take the heat, so you got out of the fire - fair do's.

Why do you still dedicate your life to Islam?

Oh and by the way - it's Muslims who let people down and not Islam.

If underage drinking is a problem in the uk, you could not blame the law for this problem.

I feel sorry for you.
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Misunderstanding
written by Muslim and proud , February 12, 2012
"Islam Is inhuman and it is a travesty against anything remotely good and decent … "

Maybe you should try an take an unbiased look - on the other hand this might be too difficult for you. I could list hundreds if not thousands of examples to refute your absurd statement.........

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written by fineliving56 , February 12, 2012
Don't be ... I am fine

You mean to say get out of the kitchen nto fire!... right ? .....and Who is trying to get out ... I am here ....Muslim

Quran's good parts which about 25 verses discounting the endless repetition, then they stretch a lot more... if you are talking about those, then, I have to disappoint you, and tell you it is nothing but a shameless theft from the bible and previous religion books ... besides, how else Muhammad going to lie and say it is A religion, so he mixed, all of what he stole, with the call for war for greed and use women and steal their inheritance .... and VOILA ... Muhammad was a prophet and Islam is a religion ....
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Muslim and proud
written by duh_swami , February 12, 2012
Your taqiyya is no good here...How many times do the words 'Fight them' occur in Quran?

Your Quran is full of violent verses, 2:193 anf 8:39 are your marching orders from Allah...8:12, 47:4, 8:60, 9:5, 9:29, 9:111 are the how to do it's...Allah said you better do it, or he will take you out of line and replace you with another Q 9:38/9...Jihad, killing kuffar, as many as possible, is mandatory for you...Your posts are BS bud...
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Muslim and notproud
written by fineliving56 , February 12, 2012
My last post you to you

If Muhammad had lived today .... You[ I hope] and everyone else would disown him and he will be the joke that he is ... a judge and 12 jurists will sentence him to the execution chair. He would have been accused and proofed of rapping a little girl of 9, mass robberies, mass killings and beheading , mass enslaving, a wife collector ... the other disgusting stuff about him is not enough to execute him, like being a Sociopath and suffer from Schizophrenia, he would be put in an asylum all his live until he will breath his last hateful breath .... But no Muslim zombis like you call him a prophet ...

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Taqiyya
written by Muslim and proud , February 12, 2012
Duh Swami

Do you actually know what Taqiyya is?

What a comedian.......
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Get a grip
written by Muslim and proud , February 12, 2012
"My last post you to you"

Surprise surprise - in other words you are becoming uncomfortable about comin to terms with your serious lack of knowledge.

"If Muhammad had lived today .... You[ I hope] and everyone else would disown him"

Very naive of you. I would kiss his blessed feet and no let go of them, beings dragged around wherever he (peace be upon him went)



"and he will be the joke that he is ... a judge and 12 jurists will sentence him to the execution chair. He would have been accused and proofed of rapping a little girl of 9, mass robberies, mass killings and beheading , mass enslaving, a wife collector ... the other disgusting stuff about him is not enough to execute him, like being a Sociopath and suffer from Schizophrenia, he would be put in an asylum all his live until he will breath his last hateful breath .... But no Muslim zombis like you call him a prophet ... "
Proofed????

Lol

Get a grip
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Get a grip
written by Muslim and proud , February 12, 2012
Rapping????

Lol
Lol
Lol
Lol
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Rapping ... raping
written by fineliving56 , February 12, 2012
Yes, you can laugh .... it is funny ....ha ha

You know what I meant .... Muslim ... but I like to see Muhammad with his Head dress and his loos dress RAPPING his head off ... haha

now that is funny!!
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Muslim and proud,
written by duh_swami , February 12, 2012
Do you actually know what Taqiyya is?

Why yes I do as a matter of fact, and so do you...You are spreading a lot of it around like pig droppings...You didn't respond to my post about war verses in Quran...Why? Are you ashamed? Can you explain Quran 5:33, it's one of my favorites...If you don't know, ask your Imam, I'm sure he does...
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Fineliving
written by Muslim & Proud , February 12, 2012
Fineliving,

So amongst other accusations, one of your accusations is of rape.

Please can you provide the evidence?

Let's see if you have what it takes.

I'm waiting.
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Taqiyya
written by Muslim & Proud , February 12, 2012
Why yes I do as a matter of fact, and so do you...

Please provide evidence of what it means - evidence form the Holy Qur'an and/or Hadith.

I'm waiting.

"You are spreading a lot of it around like pig droppings...You didn't respond to my post about war verses in Quran...Why? Are you ashamed? Can you explain Quran 5:33, it's one of my favorites...If you don't know, ask your Imam, I'm sure he does... "

Ahh - WAR verses. So it's about war and nothing to do woth going around killing people for no reason. Well done - 10/10 sunshine.
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Muslim & Proud , are you afraid?
written by duh_swami , February 12, 2012
Why don't you answer my questions Muslim & Proud? Why are you ashamed of Islam and Quran? I'm waiting for you to respond...lets see of you have what it takes...
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5:33
written by Muslim & Proud , February 12, 2012
Duh_Swami

With ref to 5:33 (your favorite verse from the Holy Qur'an.....

May I suggest you also read 5:32 and try not to cherry pick verses which suit your biased needs. Here is 5:32

(5:32) Therefore We ordained for the Children of Israel that he who slays a soul unless it be (in punishment) for murder or for spreading mischief on earth shall be as if he had slain all mankind; and he who saves a life shall be as if he had given life to all mankind. And indeed again and again did Our Messengers come to them with clear directives; yet many of them continued to commit excesses on earth.

Please note sunshine: Killing anyone for no reason is no different to killing the whole of mankind.

You really are a comedian mate - you need to get on stage

lol
lol
lol

Priceless
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5:33
written by Muslim & Proud , February 12, 2012
Duh_Swami,

With ref to 5:33, which is your favorite verse. My favorite is 5:32 - the verse prior to the one you love. Here it is:

(5:32) Therefore We ordained for the Children of Israel that he who slays a soul unless it be (in punishment) for murder or for spreading mischief on earth shall be as if he had slain all mankind; and he who saves a life shall be as if he had given life to all mankind. And indeed again and again did Our Messengers come to them with clear directives; yet many of them continued to commit excesses on earth.

Killing anyone for no reason is no different to killing the whole of mankind.

You really are a comedian - you need to get on stage

lol
lol

Priceless
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5:33
written by Muslim & Proud , February 12, 2012
Duh_Swami

5:33

(5:33) Those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and go about the earth spreading mischief, indeed their recompense is that they either be done to death, or be crucified, or have their hands and feet cut off from the opposite sides or be banished from the land. Such shall be their degradation in this world; and a mighty chastisement lies in store for them in the World to Come

I think you might be struggling to read the first few words: THOSE WHO WAGE WAR AGAINST ALLAH (THE EXALTED) AND HIS MESSENGER (PEACE BE UPON HIM)

So if no-one wages war, there is no problem.

According to you, if someone wages war against the UK, you will sit back and watch.......me think not.
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Accusation Of Rape
written by Muslim & Proud , February 12, 2012
Fineliving....

Has it got too hot for you?

I see you have conveniantly taken a sharp exit when challenged for the evidence. No surprise yo be honest....
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Silence
written by Muslim & Proud , February 12, 2012
Your silence speaks volumes
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Muslim & Proud
written by duh_swami , February 12, 2012
5:32 is not addressed to you dummy, it is addressed to the Children of Israel, Jews, not Muslims...5:33 is addressed to you...You go around spreading mischief in the land, and keep warring with Allah and you qualify for 5:33...You are spreading mischief and corruption about the land now, and warring with Allah by spouting off Taqqiya, while at the same time refusing to jihad which is your obligation, Allah is probably not too happy with you...This is the third time you failed to answer up for all those nasty war verses...You must be trembling in your boots...Are you a coward, as well as a duty shirker? Allah is watching you...
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Muslim & Proud
written by duh_swami , February 12, 2012
5:52 is not addressed to you, it is addressed to Jews, but 5:33 is addressed to you...

Why have you not responded about all those nasty war verses are you are coward? Ashamed?

There are no allegations about rape, it is well known that Mohammad raped any number of women and children...
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Muslim & Proud
written by duh_swami , February 12, 2012

Your silence speaks volumes''

What an ego you have, did Allah give that to you? You think fine living is sitting on the edge of her chair waiting for your next dopey post? Maybe she has something better to do...like take the dog out...
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muslim and ashamed ... oh ecxuse me... proud
written by fineliving56 , February 12, 2012
Hot....Oh please ... it looks like you are full of your self ..... Muslim

Yes ,I do accuse Muhammad of rape ... sleeping with a child of 9 under the cover of a marriage certificate, is still called a rape because a child this age does know better, then to let a 54 old goat of a man, ravage her little body ....we as adults call that rape .... If you do not like rape ... that is fine ... do you like child molestation better? ... OK... child molestation ..IT IS!!

BTW ... what do you call a MAN[ Muhammad] sleeping with a women who she just lost her husband,father,brother to beheading ordered by the same man in the same night ... do you call that consent or rape ...of course she agreed to sleep with him ... she liked her head to stay attached to her body .... I call it rape and every sane human will say the same ...
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Allegations
written by Muslim and proud , February 12, 2012
"There are no allegations about rape, it is well known that Mohammad raped any number of women and children..."

And that is British justice is it - it just gets better an better sunshine

Maybe the justice system should use this as a way of convicting people

I'll just pick myself up of the floor.

Oh and btw, verse 5:32 is indeed referring to Jews, however the Holy Quran is guidance for muslims to not make the same mistake

I seriously think you should take up stand up comedy - hilarious.
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Accusation
written by Muslim and proud , February 12, 2012
"Yes ,I do accuse Muhammad of rape ... sleeping with a child of 9"

Please provide the evidence or stick to walking your dog.

I'm waiting for te evidence

No evidence = slander
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Something better to do
written by Muslim and proud , February 12, 2012
"Maybe she has something better to do...like take the dog out"

So there are better things for
You to do other than dedicate your life to Islam?

Hallelujah
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...
written by fineliving56 , February 12, 2012
Duh ... thanks for reminding ... my husky needs attention and here I am wasting my time with the cemented brain ... but I could not walk away from a challenge that the word win is written all over it.



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Who will win
written by Muslim and proud , February 12, 2012
Can't wait for the evidence

Just make sure you have a decent spade to hand - you will need it to dig yourself out....
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Muslim
written by fineliving56 , February 12, 2012
Well ... do I have to ... Ok ... you mean you do not know about... hadeeth, saheah Muslim book 9 part,805 where Ayshia talked about her toys and played with her friends her age while her mom brushed her hair and took her to Muhammad with her father and they left her there with him to consummate the marriage.



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Muslim and proud
written by duh_swami , February 12, 2012
The evidence is in Hadith, you do know about hadith don't you? According to Aisha he married her when she was six and raped her when she was nine...and that is only one of his many rapes...That's your literature, not mine, the proof is in your literature...I suggest you read it and stop making a fool of yourself...
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Muslim and proud
written by duh_swami , February 12, 2012
The proof is in hadith, you do know about hadith don't you?
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Accusation
written by Muslim and proud , February 12, 2012
Well done - you are doing very well indeed so far.

"Well ... do I have to ... Ok ... you mean you do not know about... hadeeth, saheah Muslim book 9 part,805"

So in order for your accusation to have any credibility, you must believe the Hadeeth to be a fact.

Here is the million dollar question:

Do you believe Sahih Hadeeth Book 9 to contain nothing but FACTS?

Over to you - YES or NO
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BTW
written by fineliving56 , February 12, 2012
She was heard saying she was 9 years old ...in that hadeeth

BTW

Quran sanctions marring to pre monthly flux girls ... I know which Aya sasy it .

do you ?
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...
written by fineliving56 , February 12, 2012
So Ahhhha

you are one of those ... you are a Quranislam type ....we had Quranisalm gentleman by the name Reed and we had all the debate with him but he is gone without changing any one mind about the sickness of Quran.

So if you are ... then lest go by the Quran ... you are allergic to hadeeth
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Muslim and proud
written by duh_swami , February 12, 2012
All Islam books are fake, the Quran is fake, Sunnah and Sira are fake, Allah is fake and Mohammad was a fake and a fraud...What you think is the word of Allah, is the book of Uthman...You believe what he believed, or what he wanted you to believe...But fake history books have some parts that are true...Hadith condemn Mohammad...If Mohammad was real, he was guilty as charged, if the whole thing is made up, he is innocent, and you are worshipping an empty religion...You still haven't explained those war verses...
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fineliving56
written by duh_swami , February 12, 2012
I sort of miss uncle Reed...Because of him, I had to look things up...Maybe he will be back sometime and I can pick on him, he's loads of fun...
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Accusation
written by Muslim and proud , February 12, 2012
Fineliving,

Was that a YES or a NO?

Please be specific
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Hadeeth
written by Muslim and proud , February 12, 2012
Oh and btw fineliving,

I believe the authentic Hadeeth - as far as I am concerned they are facts.

Please do not dodge the question

With regards to your accusation, Do YOU believe the Hadeeth to be factual - YES or NO?

It's crunchtime sweetheart
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Comedy
written by Muslim and proud , February 12, 2012
Duh Swami

"Allah is fake and Mohammad was a fake and a fraud"

How can someone you believe to be fake - be a fraud?

Priceless
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Muslim and afraid
written by duh_swami , February 12, 2012
I guess you are too much of a coward to respond to a man...Has the cat got your tongue, why are you afraid?...Allah will protect you won't he?
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Afraid
written by Muslim and proud , February 12, 2012
Afraid????

Moi?

Perrrrrrrlease

Ps. I wander where fineliving got to? Lol
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War
written by Muslim and proud , February 12, 2012
"You still haven't explained those war verses..."

Talk about obsession

You want ME to explain to YOU, something YOU believe to be fake......

Lol

Just when I thought it can't get any better
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Accusation
written by Muslim and proud , February 12, 2012
Fineliving,

Wazzzzzzzzzaaaaaaaaap?

I thought you had won? Or did you speak a bit too spoon?

Ps Duh_Swami - you were saying about cat and Tongue right? Maybe it is more applicable to our ex-muslimah?
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Muslim
written by fineliving56 , February 12, 2012
First of all, I am not sweetheart to you.

Secondly, your question of whether or not I believe the Hadith is all facts, assumes that its possible for a document to contain no mistakes. But this is not possible. Humans are fallible. This means they make mistakes commonly.

Hadith is history. Of course it contains some true and some false, just like all history, just like all human knowledge.

The false claims in Hadith are those that Muslims added with the intent of preserving Islam. The true claims did not have any intent behind them.

So with each Hadith, we must determine its validity by examining its intent. So with respect to Sahih - Part 805 - Book 9, lets ask what was its intent. Why would this statement have been falsified? What reason would they have had to say that Aisha was only 9 years old when she consummated her marriage with Mohammed?

There is no reason for lies here. In that time, Arabs commonly married premenstrual girls. So they had no shame in stating that Aisha was 9 years old. There was nothing to hide. There was nothing to falsify.
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Accusation
written by Muslim and proud , February 13, 2012
Fineliving

You continue to dodge the all important question - here it is again:

With regards to Sahih - Part 805 - Book 9, do you believe this Hadith to be a fact?

YES or NO

I look forward to your 'honest answer'.
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Accusation
written by Muslim & Proud , February 13, 2012
Fineliving,

Whilst you decide on your answer to the ultimate question, it's worth pointing out the following:

You said

"In that time, Arabs commonly married premenstrual girls."

Spot on. And not all Arabs, at that time WERE MUSLIMS.

So you have admitted that marriage to youg girls, 1400 years ago, was common.

Well done.

Please remember to answer the ultimate question, here it is in case you have forgot:

With regards to Sahih - Part 805 - Book 9, do you believe this Hadith to be a fact?

YES or NO
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Muslim and proud
written by duh_swami , February 13, 2012
You want ME to explain to YOU, something YOU believe to be fake......

Sorry I had to leave for a while...

The Quran is your book, not mine....The question is, do you believe it? Does the Quran tell you the truth? What is the truth of Quran 2:193 and another like it 8:39...

Your little game of dodge the question is not working very well, it just makes you look stupid......I think it's because you don't actually know squat about your own religion...Fineliving is much more knowledgeable than you school boy...
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Are you for real
written by Muslim & Proud , February 13, 2012
"The Quran is your book, not mine....The question is, do you believe it? Does the Quran tell you the truth?"

I believe it to be the truth.

You believe it to be fake

"What is the truth of Quran 2:193 and another like it 8:39..."

"Fineliving is much more knowledgeable than you school boy..."

Lol

So why is this ex-muslimah struggling with a question that even a schoolgirl could answer......makes you wonder doesn't it

Get real

Why does it even matter when you are no longer a muslim - DUH



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Eh?
written by Muslim & Proud , February 13, 2012
Duh_Swami,

"The Quran is your book, not mine....The question is, do you believe it? Does the Quran tell you the truth?"

I believe it to be nothing but the truth.

"What is the truth of Quran 2:193 and another like it 8:39... "

You are an ex-muslim and you want to know the truth about verses from the Holy Qur'an............duh!

Are you for real?
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2:193
written by Muslim & Proud , February 13, 2012
This post is dedicated to Duh_Swami, who is an ex-muslim, yet still wants to know the truth about verses from the Holy Qur'an.

Duh_Swami,

In the interest of NOT dodging questions..........now please pay attention.

You are obsessed with verse 2:193. This is yet another example of cherry picking verses to suit your bias.

Have a read of 2:192 as well as 193 and the fog may lift

192: And if they attack you first (even in that sacred area), strike them (without any hesitation); this is the due punishment for such disbelievers. If, however, they desist from fighting (you should also do likewise), and know that Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

193: (2:193) Go on fighting with them till there is no more a state of tribulation and Allah's way is established instead. Then if they desist from it, there should be no more hostility except against those who had been guilty of cruelty and brutality.

Please pay attention to the first few words of 192:

IF THEY ATTACK YOU FIRST

It is such a shame that you are unable to put things into context and blindly cherry pick verses.........
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Muslim & Proud, O you who dodge questions...
written by duh_swami , February 13, 2012
You are an ex-muslim and you want to know the truth about verses from the Holy Qur'an............duh!

No your exceptional brilliance, I am not an xxx Muslim...Now are you going to answer my questions or are you going to run away again? Answer the questions, reveal your ignorance...
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8:39
written by Muslim & Proud , February 13, 2012
Duh_Swami,

With ref to 8:39, verse 2:192 is still a requirement before any fighting (i.e. IF THEY ATTACK YOU FIRST).

Maybe you have this perception that muslims must spend all of their spare time killing people.........it's more a dellusion actually.
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Leave
written by Muslim & Proud , February 13, 2012
Let me guess Duh_Swami, you have to leave for a while.....lol
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Islam Watch
written by Muslim & Proud , February 13, 2012
This website claims to tell the truth about Islam.

It's quite amazing that on the one hand, all ex-muslims consider Islam to consist of nothing but lies.

Yet on the other hand, they use evidence from what they consider to be lies,TO TELL THE TRUTH

lol
lol
lol

That is genius - priceless in fact.
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Muslim and proud issues weak taqiyya...
written by duh_swami , February 13, 2012
Who attacked Muslims in the Philippines first? Who attacked Muslims in Russia first...Who attacked Boko Haram in Nigeria first? Who attacked the Jews in Israel first? Who attacked Mohammad first? The list go's on...Muslims are obligated to jihad 'fard ayn' when any Muslim lands get invaded...That Muslims started the conflict in the first place does not count...If we are attacked first is a lot of crap...Both 2:193 and 8:39 clearly instruct you to fight kuffar until the whole planet is for Allah...If you are attacked first in some local area it has little to do with world domination...You would like to see Islam as the only or dominant religion, wouldn't you liar? You are not a good Muslim, you make Allah look like a liar...
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Muslim
written by fineliving56 , February 13, 2012
But I did answer you. But you didn't catch it.

You said:
> With regards to Sahih - Part 805 - Book 9, do you believe this Hadith to be a fact?

In my post answering your question, I said "There was nothing to falsify" which means truth, which means YES.

But after reading your latest post, now I realize why you are interested in this question. You think that if non-muslim arabs married pre-menstrual girls, then this justifies Mohamed marrying them. This is ridiculous. They were all wrong. Mohamed doesn't get a pass just because it was a common cultural act.

For muslims, Mohamed is the last prophet and the ultimate role model. This is true for today's muslims too. And tomorrow's muslims. Mohamed married premenstrual girls so today's muslims will emulate their role model.

So do you think today's [and tomorrow's] muslim men should marry premenstrual girls?

YES or NO
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Eh?
written by Muslim & Proud , February 13, 2012
"Who attacked Muslims in the Philippines first? Who attacked Muslims in Russia first...Who attacked Boko Haram in Nigeria first? Who attacked the Jews in Israel first? Who attacked Mohammad first?"

So you are blaming Islam for the way some muslims behave?

A footballer knows the rules before he walks onto the pitch. If he is red-carded, does that mean the rules of the game are at fault? Somehow I doubt it.

Verse 2:192 is quite clear to me as a muslim.

"The list go's on...Muslims are obligated to jihad 'fard ayn' when any Muslim lands get invaded...That Muslims started the conflict in the first place does not count...If we are attacked first is a lot of crap...Both 2:193 and 8:39 clearly instruct you to fight kuffar until the whole planet is for Allah...If you are attacked first in some local area it has little to do with world domination...You would like to see Islam as the only or dominant religion, wouldn't you liar? You are not a good Muslim, you make Allah look like a liar... "

So you are dismissing verse 2:192 and focussing on 2:193.

Very civilised of you.......

And you accuse muslims of "this and that"........

"If we are attacked first is a lot of crap..."

Why would your opinion for verse 2:193 be any different then

lol
lol
lol
lol

One opinion for Verse 1:192

and a completely different opinion for verse 1:193

What a joke.
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Muslim and not too bright...
written by duh_swami , February 13, 2012
I'm focusing on Allah's orders...Something you fight against...Allah is going to have a serious talk with you...Besides the whole Quran is crap...and no one actually understands what it says or means...According to your brothers the original Quran resides with Allah in Paradise, so no living human has seen it...You have no idea what it really says or what you are talking about...You are very unschooled to say the least......Can you read and speak Arabic?
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Muslim and ignorant...
written by duh_swami , February 13, 2012
So you are blaming Islam for the way some muslims behave?

Absolutely...If you are not following Islam and sharia, what are you following?
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Accusation
written by Muslim & Proud , February 13, 2012
Fineliving,

But I did answer you. But you didn't catch it.

"In my post answering your question, I said "There was nothing to falsify" which means truth, which means YES."

So you believe some of the Hadith to be facts - thanks for clarifying. It's interesting that you are still required to BELIEVE, even though you are no longer a believer.........

"So do you think today's [and tomorrow's] muslim men should marry premenstrual girls?

YES or NO"

Absolutely not. That's why it's called the Sunnah- which in case you might have forgot IS NOT OBLIGATORY. If any muslim wants to follow the Sunnah in such a way, he would first have to marry a Widow for 25 years........do you get me?

It's you people who make it sound like it is something obligatory for muslims to do......
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Muslim
written by fineliving56 , February 13, 2012
You said:

> It's quite amazing that on the one hand, all ex-muslims consider Islam to consist of nothing but lies.

No ex-muslim has ever claimed that all Islamic statements are lies. We have only claimed that none of those statements came from god, which is what muslims claim.

All history contains lies and truth. If there was no truth, the historical document would not have survived the time period in which it was written.

All religious writing is a form of history [a really skewed form]. Some of it is lies and some is truth.

But muslims claim otherwise. They say that every word of the Quran is truth because it is Allah's word. And we've clearly proven that there exists plenty of lies in the Quran.

Why did you think that exmuslims do not consider the Quran to be a historical document?

[Sorry this is not a YES or NO question.]
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Proof
written by Muslim & Proud , February 13, 2012
"But muslims claim otherwise. They say that every word of the Quran is truth because it is Allah's word. And we've clearly proven that there exists plenty of lies in the Quran."

So you have dedicated your time to prove to YOURSELF that according to you, there are lies in the Holy Qur'an. And you did this after leaving Islam - and still continue to do so

That'a extra-ordinary - are you not able to move on? lol

"Why did you think that exmuslims do not consider the Quran to be a historical document?"

When did I say that?
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Eh?
written by Muslim & Proud , February 13, 2012
"So you are blaming Islam for the way some muslims behave?

Absolutely...If you are not following Islam and sharia, what are you following?"

So you would end up blaming the rules around football instead of the way the footballer behaved.......wow.

I am indeed following Islam & Shariah - that's why I quoted verse 2:192, which you seem to disagree with........yet you are obsessed with 2:193.

Whereas you cherry pick verses to feed your bias.....

Some extremist muslims do the same to feed their bias.......

They are no different to you basically.

No muslim can deny verse 2:192.
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Muslim
written by fineliving56 , February 13, 2012
> It's you people who make it sound like it is something obligatory for muslims to do......

Obligatory? No. I said role model.

When you ask muslim men why they marry young girls, what do they say? It is [Sunna] and they use Islam as a justification to commit pedophilia. This pedophillia still happens today in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and Iran and others.


> So you have dedicated your time to prove to YOURSELF that according to you, there are lies in the Holy Qur'an. And you did this after leaving Islam - and still continue to do so.

Of course. I proved it to myself and now I want to help others prove to themselves because most muslims are ignorant of whats in the Quran and Sunnah. Why do you think I'm talking to you? Do you think its for fun?


>> "Why did you think that exmuslims do not consider the Quran to be a historical document?"

> When did I say that?

When you said that exmuslims claim that the Quran is all lies, you are saying that exmuslims do not consider the Quran to be a historical document.
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Muslim and dumb, a supporter of evil...
written by duh_swami , February 13, 2012
So you would end up blaming the rules around football instead of the way the footballer behaved.......wow.

Football is not the subject your dullness...The subject is Islam, a violent, hostile, hegemonic political system hiding behind religion...You are a supporter of that...Sharia says to kill apostates, sharia says there is no penalty for killing a kuffar, sharia defines your obligation to jihad, sharia allows you to kill your own children or grandchildren, sharia defines second place for women...You support that, you are evil, the choice is yours...
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DUH Swami
written by Muslim and proud , February 13, 2012
"Islam, a violent, hostile, hegemonic political system hiding behind religion...You are a supporter of that...Sharia says to kill apostates, sharia says there is no penalty for killing a kuffar, sharia defines your obligation to jihad, sharia allows you to kill your own children or grandchildren, sharia defines second place for women...You support that, you are evil, the choice is yours..."

Please remember to check verse 2:192 if in doubt about your obsession. Interesting to see that you are now resorting to generalisation.

Oh and btw, it's not nice to refer to the non-Muslims as KUFFAAR ;-)
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...
written by fineliving56 , February 13, 2012
I wrote a nice reply … but it went to a place to be examined … I hope It comes back because Muslim needs it …
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Muslim and proud to be evil
written by duh_swami , February 13, 2012
It is you who are stuck in 1:92/3...What about 8:39 or 8:60, or 8:12, or...Oh never mind, you are too confused already, no point confusing you any further, you are so deeply buried in Islamic BS, it will take a big shovel to dig you out...
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DUH Swami - who is proud to be duh
written by Muslim & Proud , February 13, 2012
Duh,

"It is you who are stuck in 1:92/3...What about 8:39 or 8:60, or 8:12, or...Oh never mind, you are too confused already, no point confusing you any further, you are so deeply buried in Islamic BS, it will take a big shovel to dig you out..."

What's with the obsession?

I have no intention of annoying, killing, hurting, distressing or injuring any non-muslim for no reason - that is what Islam teaches me.

It obviously teaches you the complete opposite.

Maybe you should try and get out mor or find a new hobby? Maybe try and mee that someone special? It would do you a world of good sunshine - lol
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DUH Swami - who is proud to be DUH
written by Muslim & Proud , February 13, 2012
Duh,

Now you are obsessed with 8:60

Try reading 8:61

Here it is:

(8:61) If they incline to peace, incline you as well to it, and trust in Allah. Surely He is All-Hearing. All-Knowing.

You are a real comedian - lol

I seriously think you should think about doing stand-up

What a joke - complete joke!!
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Muslim and ashamed
written by Machmoed , February 13, 2012
Muslim & Proud, please cut the preeching bulls..t. You sound like a preecher. You talk about proof and evidence. Are you saying the orthodox vision of islam is historical and factual? You talk about authentic hadith, wich one? My friend, you have to be mistaken about the authenticity of hadith and the qur'an. Hadith dates 200 till 350 years after the mentioned events and not a single hadith can be trusted since isnad found to be fictive. What about hadeeth qudsi (divine hadeeth)? Are these from Allah? The stupidity goes on. Qur'an of today can be traced till midth 9th century. Masaheef before were slightly different as reported in many hadeeth. As for the person Muhammad, well he is like homerus. It's almost all fiction. Try to study some islamology in relation to evidential facts as archeology, scriptology etc. The orthodox vision as you believe it is not how it went and nowadays everyone who has some kowledge about the early islam knows the story of islam as portretted by muslims is not based on truth/history. The reason that muslims wrote their legacy as we know it (afterwards) is the same why jews (moses) did it. To create an identity and to achieve a great civilization and progress.

Why did muslims invade other nations backed up by their religion? Was this also war or defence? In north africa the muslims warred ten years with the imazighen/berbertribes for example. Do you really believe Allah/God sent them there to fight in his cause?

You're a funny guy believing Allah is human being. Gets angry, asks his believers to fight in his cause. promising heavenly virgins etc.......VERY FUNNY INDEED! now wake up to reality!

You are to stupid to realize that all religion are manmade. Why? because mankind is the measuring stick for all that we know of. Simple as that.
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Machmoed
written by Muslim and proud , February 13, 2012
"You are to stupid to realize that all religion are manmade"

I don't say and never have said that all religions are man made. I would like to congratulate you for confirming that those people who DO think that all religions are man made ARE INDEED STUPID

You are a legend and would make the ideal candidate for DUH's sidekick.

Nice one mate - you must have a real sore foot at the moment lol
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Fiction?
written by Muslim and proud , February 13, 2012
Machmoed,

"As for the person Muhammad, well he is like homerus. It's almost all fiction"

And you and your crew are using FICTION to tell the TRUTH

Utter comedy or what?
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Machmoed
written by Muslim & Proud , February 13, 2012
" Hadith dates 200 till 350 years after the mentioned events and not a single hadith can be trusted since isnad found to be fictive."

So this therefore puts Fineliving's theory to pot then yeah?

You are doing a very good job of refuting the ex-muslimah who made an accusation of rape.

Fineliving - it seems that I don't have to put too much effort in as Machmoed has confirmed for you that you cannot trust the Hadith.

Machmoed - do you have a habit of shooting yourself in the foot?

lol
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Jokers....
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Yes, keep going Muslim
written by fineliving56 , February 13, 2012
Show your Islamic colors for all to see ….

fine job Muslim …. your posts are proves what I knew and lived through, the non Muslims are getting to know real Muslims …. thanks to the wonder of internet … it represent and going to be the final nail of the coffin of Islam.
for now I have a lot of things to do like all adults need to do …
carry on …
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Keep Going
written by Muslim and proud , February 13, 2012
"Show your Islamic colors for all to see ….

fine job Muslim …. your posts are proves what I knew and lived through, the non Muslims are getting to know real Muslims …. thanks to the wonder of internet … it represent and going to be the final nail of the coffin of Islam.
for now I have a lot of things to do like all adults need to do …
carry on …"

One ex-Muslim has refuted an ex-muslimah..........and here is the best bit:

ITS THE MUSLIM WHO IS TO BLAME.

Fineliving,

The posts speak for themselves.

As for my Islamic colours.....

It's me who has been insulted quite blatantly....

I'd like you to shoe me where I have actually insulted anyone?

Get a grip.

I realise it's not easy to handle being made a to loom lile a complete fool - like I said before, I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU

Ps. I actually told Duh at one point that it is wron to refer to non-Muslims as Kuffaar
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M&P, baby jabber...
written by duh_swami , February 13, 2012
Ps. I actually told Duh at one point that it is wron to refer to non-Muslims as Kuffaar

You told duh a lot of stuff that is just plain petrified bovine fecal matter...You need to get back to school soon...You are wasting your time here...The posters here know far more about Islam than you do...You have nothing to offer...
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Duh
written by Muslim & Proud , February 13, 2012
"You told duh a lot of stuff that is just plain petrified bovine fecal matter"

So how can you therefore use verse sfrom the Holy Qur'an to justify your bias.......more comedy.

"You need to get back to school soon...You are wasting your time here...The posters here know far more about Islam than you do..."

Ha ha ha ha ha - haaaaaaaaaa - ha ha ha ha

So you quoted 2:193 to justify your bias.

I quoted 2:192 which makes it clear that muslims CANNOT go to war unless they are ATTACKED FIRST.

What a muppet you are DUH.

And you have the audacity to tell me that I need to go back to school......

You are hilarious sunshine.

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2 P&M
written by Machmoed , February 13, 2012
Sorry M&P. I thought you were a grown up. I rest my case! If i didn't know other muslims, i really would think, you're all damaged this far, but sad enough, you're the champion of immaturity and as everybody has been seeing, you have no knowledge except false statements. I wonder who you trying to emulate....lol. Could it be your rolemodel and insanikameel the lost prophet of prophets?

You like it when your religion gets kicked? if not, why stay here and get more kicking. Allah knows what you're hiding, even you don't know. Only allah knows the unseen and yet, you damage his cause by not telling our misconceptions we have about islam. You are here for mockery. Are you sure you believe in Allah and you are sure that this is a way to do jihad?

Hundreds of individual muslims, mostly far more educated and more mature than you, were here before you and left. Your wordtricks won't work with me. Wordgames and tricks is a concept of your beloved .......(fill in the gap and you might win the lottery and move to the level of grownups).
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......
written by Machmoed , February 13, 2012
I quoted 2:192 which makes it clear that muslims CANNOT go to war unless they are ATTACKED FIRST.

Stop playing the idiot, Moron. Why did musllims invade many societies/countries/civilization thousand miles from home if it wasn't for expandation and progress for their on benefit. Allah/Qur'an/Islam is just used as a vehicle.

The funny thing is the more you post the more ignorance you reveal. Lack of kowledge this level is called Jahil. Watch out not to die as one! Allah doesn't like ignorant people after the truth came to them and rejected it. If you want to discuss further with me i suggest you back your claims up with evidential facts, otherwise it is just an other cow in the field mooing for some attention.
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M&PP
written by duh_swami , February 13, 2012
I quoted 2:192 which makes it clear that muslims CANNOT go to war unless they are ATTACKED FIRST.

Then why are they doing it in the countries I mentioned where no one attacked them first? Are those Muslims just hypocrites? Is there something in the Quran they misunderstood? If that's the case, why do so many misunderstand it in exactly the same way? Your lame explanation, which is not an explanation, does not reflect the reality of what is really happening...or why...You can't hide behind weak and phony explanations...you have been exposed...Quran 2:192 is a Meccan Surah abrogated by 8:39, 9:5, 9:29, 47:4 and numerous other war verses...You do know about Meccan and Madinah surah's don't you and you do know about abrogation, don't you? Or do you?
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Machmoed
written by Muslim and proud , February 13, 2012
"You like it when your religion gets kicked? if not, why stay here and get more kicking."

Errrrm

If I'm not mistaken, it was YOU who refuted the ex-muslimah - in good style I have to say.......

So you did certainly kick ass - only it was the wrong one. One complete fool made a complete fool of the other.

Now that's class sunshine.
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Duh_Swami
written by Muslim & Proud , February 13, 2012
"Then why are they doing it in the countries I mentioned where no one attacked them first?"

It's called extremism.

"Quran 2:192 is a Meccan Surah abrogated by 8:39, 9:5, 9:29, 47:4 and numerous other war verses...You do know about Meccan and Madinah surah's don't you and you do know about abrogation, don't you? Or do you?"

Errrrm, I think you'll find that 2:192 is actually a verse and not a Surah. Were you saying something about being exposed???

Abrogation?

Please be my guest and prove that verse 2:192 was abrogated and it is therefore a duty of muslims to go around killing others just for the sake of killing people.

Considering you are an expert on Islam, it should not take too long. I can't wait.

Ps. You have yet to explain what Taqiyya is (lol)
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M&PP, Milk and cookies wait for you
written by duh_swami , February 13, 2012
Now that's class sunshine.

You ain't got no class moonlight...How about responding to my post...Are you ashamed of your inadequacies? 2:191/2 are abrogated by 2:193...

' But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors'.

Those who surrender (cease fighting), surrender to dhimmitude, those who continue to be oppressors are kuffar...

So, 'Fight them (kuffar) until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah' , means perpetual warfare because 'until' can never be achieved...Allah did not set a time limit, he only said 'until'...Of course I realize this is all to complicated for your tired little mind, so it's ok if you take a nap...
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Duh
written by Muslim and proud , February 13, 2012
Duh,

I am waiting for you to enlighten me - please refer to the post before your last one.

Good luck.
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Duh
written by Muslim and proud , February 13, 2012
"Of course I realize this is all to complicated for your tired little mind, so it's ok if you take a nap..."

Why are we waiting
Why are we waiting

Duh,

I take it you are doing your research on the net to back your uneducated claims. Hope it doesn't take too long. Maybe Daniel Pipes might be able to help you ;-)
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Muslim….muslim…. muslim
written by fineliving56 , February 13, 2012
I go for a while and come back to see a display of all kinds of gibberish under the name of Muslim … no surprise … what kind of logic you are using here Muslim … I guess it is an Islamic logic, the kind that everything goes, even giving back handed references to women's rear ends … wow … where were you raised? in a Muslim barn?
You see, two different theories of the authenticity of hadeath and you run screaming like the little boy you sound to be … I won … I won …. lol

I have not even told you exactly what I think of what is Quran or hadeeth or Sennah …

Machmud is a very wise and knowledgeable ex Muslim and I always look forward to his posts and his theory of who wrote hadeeth is very logical … I on the other hand look to hadeeth differently …. because it explains a lot for me on the lives of Muhammd and his people at that time and many muslims …. who said their is one truth of hadeeth … what a naive and ignorant muslim .

there are at least 72 sects of Islam … they all think differently and … some go with Quran … some go with Quran and Hadeeth … some go some of Quran and some of hadeeth … some say … and they all think they are the right Muslim …. what a joke …
A muslim shiyats despise the Sunis and the other way around ….pathetic to say the least … the Kouminy of Iran get accused of molesting a 4 year old girl and you here it from the mouth of a Sunni Immam … disgusting finger pointing …. so you, muslim, have no right to say anything about a different of opinion

One absolute truth that we ex and non Muslims agree with no need of verification what so ever is this …. now pay attention and stop playing with your xbox

THE BIGGEST LIE ON EARTH IS THE LIE of ** ALLAH ***
the lie of Muhammad had his revelation
the lie Muhammad as a prophet
the lie of words of Quran that came from any God
Other then that, no one knows the real truth because people have been known to lie for the selfish reasons.

The lie of Quran is a collection of 6 century rules and regulations to rule the world and control women and their bodies and money. Muhammad kept making up rules for the masses as he went and as he conducted wars against the Christians and Jews to steel their land and livelihood …Othman ben Afan burned all the copies of different Quran that popped up all over the place, so he was worried of the Insheqak between Muslims so he put together his version and made people read and write only book.

Hadeeth and sirah to me is the candid camera, except it was words written by people around the Muhammad that describes in shameless details the ins and outs of his disgusting, sick every min of life

Hadeeth iSirah s the truth of the Lie Quran


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Muslim
written by fineliving56 , February 13, 2012
You have criticized that exmuslims have more than one contradictory theory explaining the truth of Islam.

And you have used this criticism as your way of saying you are right about something.

But you have confused our criticism of Islam with our guesses of how the lies came about.

We are all unified in our criticism of Islam which is that (1) Allah is not real and (2) the Quran was written by men.

With regard to our guesses of the rest of Islam, the guesses refer to everything else beyond (1) and (2). These are the questions that we guess about: Which man or men wrote the Quran? Why did Mohamed say this or that? How many nonmuslims did muslims kill? There is no limit to the number of questions we can ask. There's also no limit to the number of possible answers to each question. So don't be surprised that we have differing theories about everything besides the (1) and (2) that I mentioned above.
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Fineliving
written by Muslim and proud , February 14, 2012
" and sirah to me is the candid camera, except it was words written by people around the Muhammad that describes in shameless details the ins and outs of his disgusting, sick every min of life"

But you ex-muslim brother has sai the Hadith cannot be trusted.....

You people are comedians
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Fineliving
written by Muslim and proud , February 14, 2012
"I guess it is an Islamic logic, the kind that everything goes, even giving back handed references to women's rear ends … wow … where were you raised? in a Muslim barn?"

Muslim barn?

Now that's quality.

"I on the other hand look to hadeeth differently …. because it explains a lot for me on the lives of Muhammd and his people at that time and many muslims"

Let me guess - you only give credibility to those Hadeeth that feed your bias right?

"One absolute truth that we ex and non Muslims agree with no need of verification what so ever is this …. now pay attention and stop playing with your xbox

THE BIGGEST LIE ON EARTH IS THE LIE of ** ALLAH ***
the lie of Muhammad had his revelation
the lie Muhammad as a prophet
the lie of words of Quran that came from any God"

So why is Islam still part if your life - pretty much on a daily basis?

If a person divorces their husband/wife after a long marriage and they then spend everyday talking about them (even if it's in a negative way), they are actually saying that they are unable to move on - and the person they divorced remains a part if their life......

"there are at least 72 sects of Islam"

Correct - and there will be 73 ultimately - as per the Hadith ;-)

"Hadeeth and sirah to me is the candid camera, except it was words written by people around the Muhammad that describes in shameless details the ins and outs of his disgusting, sick every min of life"

Oh - so you have now read each and every single Hadith have you? So much dedication - wow

You are a joke - and your ex-Muslim brother made a complete fool of you.



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M&PP blows hard, accomplishes nothing...
written by duh_swami , February 14, 2012
I am waiting for you to enlighten me

I did that small boy and now, I am waiting for you to enlighten me, by refuting what I said about 2:191/2/3.

It seems you forgot to do that...Just like you forgot to adequately explain any of your feeble claims, or my questions about them...So far you have identified yourself as a know nothing blowhard...Your only interest seems to be stalking Fineliving...You really don't want to deal with a man do you?
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A little sample of the ridiculousness of Muhammad's sayings …enjoy
written by fineliving56 , February 14, 2012
Hadeeth, Saheeh, book 14,part,38

Abii Hurarah said that Muhammad said '' if it was not for the Jews the sons of Israel, no food would rotten ,no meat would turn pig meat [ and this is a gem …lol] and if it was not for EVE, NO female ever would have, and ever will,committed adultery" .

I can hear the loud and jointed laugh all the way here …..

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Duh
written by Muslim and proud , February 14, 2012
"I did that small boy and now, I am waiting for you to enlighten me, by refuting what I said about 2:191/2/3.

It seems you forgot to do that...Just like you forgot to adequately explain any of your feeble claims, or my questions about them...So far you have identified yourself as a know nothing blowhard...Your only interest seems to be stalking Fineliving...You really don't want to deal with a man do you?"

Duh,

What happened?

Have you failed in finding out what Abrogated means and you have failed to prove your uneducated claim about 2:192?
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A sample of fine living
written by Muslim and proud , February 14, 2012
Leave Islam

Then spend the rest of your life talking about and researching Islam

Ha ha ha ha ha - haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa - ha ha ha ha ha

Sad and pathetic.......
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abrogation and satanic verses
written by Machmoed , February 14, 2012
Even the laugh you wrote is that of an idiot.

In case you forgot satan/iblies told muhammad to incorporate the heavenly birds/goddesses/daughters of Allah named Alilaat, Manaat and Uzza. The quraish were happy with that till jew/believers told Muhammad that it was against tawheed and then came up with a excuse to take back the so called ayat by using Iblies and Allah for his action. Iblies for being a light in disguise and Allah for being absent when iblies inspired Muhammad.

This is the best case of abrogation but there ar much more. The first time though a muslim alim (scholar) wrote and evaluated abrogation was somewhere 10th/11th century.
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Machmoed - the liar
written by Muslim and proud , February 14, 2012
Mach,

I don't need you to tell me what abgoration is.

Your companion Duh made an uneducated claim which he is struggling to justify.

This (Duh) is the same person who called himself 'a' kuffar

Ha ha ha hah ha - haaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha
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Machmoed - the liar
written by Muslim and proud , February 14, 2012
Mach,

I don't need you to explain abrogation to me.

Your companion Duh made an uneducated claim re 2:192 - which he struggling to justify
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Sick
written by fineliving56 , February 14, 2012
There is actually , a section in hadeeth titled : ** marrying little girls **

what? ….I Can't hear the loud laugh from readers …
it most be the sorrow and distress caused by this sick treatment of little Muslim girls who had to endure torn insides since Muhammad forced him self on little Ayshia ….

Muhammad the perfect Prophet [oh please ] was so ignorant, he did not realize, that,in order for him to be '' perfect prophet '' he has to, not only refrain from practicing, little girls marriages, he has to ABOLISH that sick act.

But Muhammad did not want to do that, if he did that ,how else he is going to get people to fallow him and believe him, HE HAD TO CATER TO OLD WIPES OF OLD PAGANS AND THIER OLD AND IGNORANT PRACTICES ….

The Ultimate lie … is the lie that God had ever,associated him self with a man as sick as Muhammad.
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fineliving
written by Muslim and proud , February 14, 2012
"Muhammad the perfect Prophet [oh please ] was so ignorant, he did not realize, that,in order for him to be '' perfect prophet '' he has to, not only refrain from practicing, little girls marriages, he has to ABOLISH that sick act. "

According to your ex-Muslim brother, the Hadith cannot be trusted ;-)
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Fineliving
written by Muslim and proud , February 14, 2012
Fl,

I'm surprised that your ex-Muslim brother has not refuted you again.
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...
written by fineliving56 , February 14, 2012
According to Muslim and proud ** hadeeth all facts** " written by the Muslim and not proud …..dated 2/12/12

I believe Muslim and shamed ……sorry ….proud
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Fineliving
written by Muslim and proud , February 14, 2012
And I also believe the wisdom behind the Sunnah.

You on the other hand, left Islam.......yet still have belief in the Hadith.......and continue to remain attached to Islam.

Please also feel free to quote me when I said 'Sad & Pathetic' with regards to your situation.

Please also feel free to quote that I said 'I feel sorry for you'

And now I am saying:

I PITY YOU
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M&PP
written by duh_swami , February 14, 2012
Have you failed in finding out what Abrogated means and you have failed to prove your uneducated claim about 2:192?

I responded to your weak claims of 2:192 on another thread...It is you who are uninformed, and not too bright as well...
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Duh - dumb and dumber
written by Muslim and proud , February 14, 2012
Let me know when fin out what 'extremist' means muppet.

Please also remember that extremist applies to you, as well as the jihadis you are so obsessed about

Ha ha ha ha ha - haaaaaaaaaaaaa- ha ha ha ha
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Muslim and shamed
written by fineliving56 , February 14, 2012
Wisdom of Sonnah …. wisdom of Sonnah ….Oh …you lost boy …lost boy

I am not surprised that you Muslim, think the life, that sadistic beast Muhammad is a thing to believe in and emulate …

Don't you have a school to … we adult have some work to do

Ex Muslimah fineliving56 …. and counting
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Fineliving
written by Muslim and proud , February 14, 2012
Fineliving,

As an ex-muslimah, do you not have anything else to do than talk about Islam?

Sad and pathetic.......you leave Islam......then you spen the rest of your life talking about Islam......and then.......you tell ME that I'm lost

Comedians
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M&PP woman abuser.
written by duh_swami , February 14, 2012
Let me know when fin out what 'extremist' means muppet

I already explained that to you Pazuzu...Islam is extreme and everyone who submits to it an extremist, and a dangerous extremist at that...If you can't handle those facts go back to class with the rest of the children...
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Duh - dumb and dumber
written by Muslim and proud , February 14, 2012
"I already explained that to you Pazuzu...Islam is extreme and everyone who submits to it an extremist, and a dangerous extremist at that..."

D & D,

Your explanation is just that.......YOUR EXPLANATION

lol

"If you can't handle those facts go back to class with the rest of the children..."

So your explanation is a fact

Perrrrrrlease

You really need to do something more creative with your time dumber lol

Continously making a complete fool of yourself is not good.
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2 dumb muslim
written by Machmoed , February 14, 2012
As an ex-muslimah, do you not have anything else to do than talk about Islam?

Well, Finelivings is just telling her story and making others allert not to drink anymore from the poiseness well called religion in general and islam in perticular. I see posts of you everywhere so why bother if we are liars. Deep down you know we are not that wrong after all about (institutional) islam. Take your lollypop and suck on it, it will make your heart and mind come to rest. Take it as an advice and i won't charge any fee for that this time.
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Machmoed - the liar
written by Muslim and proud , February 14, 2012
"Well, Finelivings is just telling her story and making others allert not to drink anymore from the poiseness well called religion in general and islam in perticular."

Errrm

I think you will find she is insulting and offensive - and uses the Hadith to justify her accusations. The same Hadith that you have said cannot be trusted.

Can you see how stupid that is?
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M&PP son of Baal
written by duh_swami , February 14, 2012
Your explanation is just that.......YOUR EXPLANATION

Nope it's Islams explanation, I just happen to know of it...Jihad is 'obligatory' as a duty to Allah for all Muslims, except those blind or infirm...There is more than one way to jihad, not all of them are violent, but they all have the same goal...The removal of obstacles from the spread of Islam, in fulfillment of 2:193/8:39 especially...Allah cannot be the god of the world unless obstacles are removed...That is the prime function of jihad...All Muslims are jihadists, or they are not Muslims...But there are two basic groups of jihadists, active and in reserve or inactive...What makes Muslims dangerous is that there is no reliable way to tell who is active and who is not, or when a peaceful Muslim may have an Allahgasm and suddenly becomes not so peaceful...There is a name for that, Sudden Jihad Syndrome'...
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Duh - Duckface
written by Muslim and proud , February 14, 2012
Duh,

I see you are still obsessed with 2:193

You need help duckface.....

Please refer to 2:192 for clarity - you've been told that before but you are obviously delluded and obsessed with Jihad.

Maybe a dating website would be more appropriate for you.
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Muslim and proud
written by duh_swami , February 14, 2012
stick t in your ear demon...you are not worth any more effort...
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Duh - Dumb Duck
written by Muslim & Proud , February 14, 2012
Dumb duck

What you said: stick t in your ear demon...you are not worth any more effort...

What you meant: "I can't take it any more...because I am a loser"

Nice one dumb duck
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Islam is of peace
written by Malem , February 14, 2012
How can so much arguing come about due to a discussion on the most beautiful religion in the world, where there is no compulsion, and only a yearning to enlighten people on the relationship they can have with Allah.
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Malman sells snake oil...
written by duh_swami , February 14, 2012
How can so much arguing come about due to a discussion on the most beautiful religion in the world, where there is no compulsion...

And no truth either except on the negative side...That's why you lie a lot...I see a trip to Allah;'s furnace room has not done you much good...Did you get burned much? When do you have to go back?
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Duh - Dumb Duck
written by Muslim and proud , February 14, 2012
Dumb duck,

You propably spend 6 out of 7 days looking for negative things about Islam - from your dad Danny pipes........proper obsession.

You need help
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Duh - Dumb Duck
written by Muslim and proud , February 14, 2012
Dumb duck,

You propably spend 6 out of 7 days looking for negative things about Islam - from your dad Danny pipes........proper obsession.

You need help
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Puke boy
written by duh_swami , February 14, 2012
Your daddy is Malman, aka Satan, little demon, get lost, go back to your cage...

I don't read Pipes idiot, I read Quran, Hadith, Spencer, and commentaries by experts like Pop-Eye...

Ask your daddy demon Malman about Pop Eye, he knows a lot about him...
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...
written by Muslim & Proud , February 14, 2012
"I read Quran, Hadith"

Dumb duck

Now, hopefully you might start to understand why you are obsessed.
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Demon boy leaks
written by duh_swami , February 14, 2012
It's not me who is obsessed small demon boy...it is you pious Muslims imitating the Three Stooges for Islam, who are obsessed...As soon as shahada entered your life, from birth or later by conversion, the demon Allah has possessed your body, your mind and your soul...
He has robbed you of your manhood and left you with small, leaky member...You are too blitzed out by the demon to realize that you are leaking...Most likely you wet the bed don't you? That's a symptom of a ruptured gasket caused by too much self stimulation while praying to Allah, or watching too much internet porn..the effect is about the same...The only way to stop the leak is apostasy, or a thick rubber band left in place for two weeks, that is guaranteed stop any leaks...
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Duh duck face
written by Muslim and proud , February 15, 2012
Duck face

Like I have said before:

1- Try and get out more
2- Find a woman

Or maybe you are worried that even the ugliest bird around will tell you that you are a duck face and a dumb duck

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha
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M&PP Son of ugly
written by duh_swami , February 15, 2012
Stupid...Allah has taught you well...'Bird' is UK talk, do you live in occupied Yorkshire?
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Duh Dumb Duck
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
"do you live in occupied Yorkshire?"

Yep

It's a place which used to have white people living there many years ago.

Where do you live?

Pardon me......silly question.

The gutter right?

Where the rest of the EDL live.......

Haaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha
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Yorkshire is one of Allah's many armpits
written by duh_swami , February 15, 2012
"do you live in occupied Yorkshire?"

Yep

That's what I thought, do you know ikki? He's an occupier of Yorkshire also...Yorkshire used to be a nice place until invaders took it over, and overflowed all the plumbing, now raw sewage runs down the gutters...The community plumbing used to be adequate enough to handle the sewage generated by the local kuffar, but with the invasion of people who are plum full of crap, the plumbing system failed...The invaders are not smart enough to fix it, and kuffar plumbers wont go into the clogged area...Because of that, kuffar don't want to live there anymore...The whole place stinks to high heaven...That's where Allah lives...Yorkshire plumbing is stinking up paradise...
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Duh Duck Face
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
"The whole place stinks to high heaven..."

What do you expect when you live in the gutter stupid duck?
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M&PP...the time has come for you to be flushed
written by duh_swami , February 15, 2012
What do you expect when you live in the gutter stupid duck?

Well dummy, that's you if you live in Yorkshire...Because of you invaders Yorkshire has turned into one big sewer...Everywhere you invade turns into a sewer...I tried to tell you that you are polluting Paradise, and are in dire need of hundreds of plumbers to fix it...Allah does not like your rear end gasses and is going to have a serious talk with you...
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Duh Dumb Duck
written by Muslim and proud , February 15, 2012
Your gas us coming out of your mouth dumb duck

Haaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha
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2 M&P
written by Machmoed , February 15, 2012
you wrote: Haaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha

How come you always laugh while you get beaten? I know, what else can you do right? Are you a hayina who's actually crying?

Haaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha!
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...
written by fineliving56 , February 15, 2012
" How come you always laugh while you get beaten ?''

it is a sign of Islamic madness !!
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Fineliving
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
Any sane person (muslim or not) would have no other option but to laugh if they read how you ex-muslim brothers and sisters refute each other

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
ha ha ha ha ha ha
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Muslim and madness
written by fineliving56 , February 15, 2012
Muslim and proud says :

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
aaaaaaa

I rest my case!!
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Fineliving
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
"I rest my case!!"

What case?
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M&PP needs help...
written by duh_swami , February 15, 2012
What case?

The one that went completely over your head...It's obvious that you can't take too much mental stimulation all at once...It causes you to talk funny and laugh inappropriately...That's a sign of schizophrenia...You better go get yourself checked out before Allah starts talking to you...
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Duh_Swami
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
"The one that went completely over your head...It's obvious that you can't take too much mental stimulation all at once"

Duh_Swami,

If i'm not wrong, it was you who said (further up the page):

"stick t in your ear demon...you are not worth any more effort..."
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.....
written by Machmoed , February 15, 2012
Any sane person (muslim or not) would have no other option but to laugh if they read how you ex-muslim brothers and sisters refute each other

No refutation here my friend. It's you who is slapping around because of stress. Finelivings is disgusted with the filth called hadith and ofcourse not all the hadith are filth but they are not true either because we like them. The problem is we can't take the nice ones and say the bad ones are not authentic. Finelivings is right to denounce hadith and qur'an as something good because to her it is not...she is a woman. To me hadith cannot be trusted because not a single hadith can be traced to muhammad nor his companions but i guess you assumed they were because you abdul imam told you.

Do you believe hadith qudsi to be divine?

I will not take haaaaahaahaa as an answer. Only a donkey answers like that.
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M&PP
written by duh_swami , February 15, 2012
"stick t in your ear demon...you are not worth any more effort..."

What's that got to do with you missing the message? On another thread you asked for rehabilitation...Go read that...
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Machmoed
written by duh_swami , February 15, 2012
One thing I notice about hadith is the volume of entries that have no particular importance...They are not religious and do not set policy...The several entries about head lice are like that...Why do we need to know that there was a head lice problem, and Mohammad recommended shaving heads to get rid of them...if someone made that up and called it a hadith, why? Are these just literary ploys to make it look like an imaginary character lived and had normal life of sorts? Are they stage props for an imaginary play?
I suspect that may be the case, but since most Muslims believe them, they are relevant even if they are fiction...
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Duh_Swami
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
"Why do we need to know that there was a head lice problem, and Mohammad recommended shaving heads to get rid of them..."

You don't Swami - that's the whole point. It's what i've been saying to you for days.......

You are welcome to dedicate your life to Islam - good man.
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Duh_Swami
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
"It's you who is slapping around"

Yep - it's good that you finally realised what is happening to you - good man.

"To me hadith cannot be trusted because not a single hadith can be traced to muhammad nor his companions"

That's great - you are learning real fast Swami. Islam Watch needs to take this on board when making accusations in that case. Well done again.......you'redoing great - i'm really impressed.

"Do you believe hadith qudsi to be divine?"

Allah (the exalted) is the king of the heavens and the earth.........
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Duh_Swami
written by Muslim & Proud , February 15, 2012
"No refutation here my friend."

You sound sure......my friend. Well check this:

You said: Finelivings is disgusted with the filth called hadith
You then said: To me hadith cannot be trusted because not a single hadith can be traced to muhammad nor his companions

Now here is the interesting bit. Finelivings makes an accusation, let's say of Rape.....and her evidence is the Hadith

You have now provided the perfect answer which is:

"To me hadith cannot be trusted because not a single hadith can be traced to muhammad nor his companions"

It's all there Swami (check further up the page).

You finally did it my friend - well done!

So we now people who do not consider the Hadith to be trustworth and have therefore refuted Finelivings......

Machmoed and his brother Duh_Swami

Progress

Alhamdu-lillah
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M&PP...is confused
written by duh_swami , February 15, 2012
You are delusional...did you just get back from prayer, that might be it...You don't even know who you are responding to or why...You need rehab...and once you pay you will get it...
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M&P has lost it long time ago
written by Machmoed , February 16, 2012
You're completely lost. It's pathetic. Try to respond to those who posted something. It wan't Duh who posted that. You're getting so hard, you don't know your front and backside anymore. You have to pray more often. Maybe Allah shouldn't had reduce the amount of 50 prayers a day :-)

It is I Machmoed, not Duh!
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....
written by Machmoed , February 16, 2012
it has to be You'er getting kicked so hard...
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Machmoed - The Liar
written by Muslim & Proud , February 16, 2012
"It wan't Duh who posted that."

You Islam haters have such a short memory.

You said a few days ago that "NOT A SINGLE HADITH CAN BE TRUSTED"

Duh is of the same opinion.

Hence, you are two little peas in a pod

Hence you have both very eliquontly refuted fineliving.

Well Done
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P&M the MORON
written by Machmoed , February 16, 2012
You're to stupid to understand the simplicity of an opinion. I don't trust hadith because i can't believe a messenger can be that filthy (muslims wrote it so your argumant is with them) as described in many hadith ad sira's by muslims themselfes. Finelivings doesn't believe islam is true because of what's written in hadith and qur'an. It's our opinion like you have yours about what we know is a lie (to us).

Muslims are refuted again and again by their own brothers in faith. Shiiets have their own ka'ba (mecca) in Iraq. This is really pathetic. Shahada of shiites ends with: wa'ali wali allah. Hahahaha...speaking of opinion called islam.

Muslims can not agree with eachother, they are not being guided. Remember the right guided khaleefs (gulafa rashidoon) who were guided to be butchered as criminals except the old Abu bakr. Right guided pumkin? are you sure! :-)
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Machmoed - The Liar
written by Muslim and proud , February 16, 2012
"Muslims are refuted again and again by their own brothers in faith. Shiiets have their own ka'ba (mecca) in Iraq. This is really pathetic. Shahada of shiites ends with: wa'ali wali allah. Hahahaha...speaking of opinion called islam."

And as an ex-Muslim you still have sleepless nights about this - very pathetic indeed.

"Muslims can not agree with eachother, they are not being guided."

You are no longer a Muslim, yet you are still concerned about this - pathetic.
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M&PP
written by duh_swami , February 16, 2012
You said a few days ago that "NOT A SINGLE HADITH CAN BE TRUSTED"

Duh is of the same opinion.

Not exactly...Hadith can be of interest to an anthropologist who wants to know how Arabs lived in Mohammads time...What they ate, how they dressed, modes of transportation, societal structure, use of natural resources like water, etc...
Use of hadith to justify the existence and actions of a desert despot, is what is in dispute...
Hadith were not written by the people who supposedly starred in them...'I heard the Prophet say', is very suspicious...How did those get recorded in the first place? Who was the very first in the chain of transmitters? Did the first get the Mohammad quote directly from the listener, and under what circumstances was that? And how did the first transmitter know that the listener heard the quote correctly? And how did the first transmitter know he was to pass this on to the second transmitter in line? None of this is plausible or probable...it may not even be possible...

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...
written by duh_swami , February 16, 2012
Duh is of the same opinion.

I wrote a response to that, but the editor ate it...Maybe it will appear later...
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Duh
written by Muslim and proud , February 16, 2012
Hello Duh

Following your free rehab, you have said:

"I BELIEVE THE QUR'AN"

Bargain
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Huh? M&PP babbles
written by duh_swami , February 16, 2012
What are you babbling about now punk? Did you miss your medications? You know you need to treat that chronic case of yeast infection you have in your mouth...It causes you to drool, mumble and talk nonsense...
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Duh
written by Muslim and proud , February 16, 2012
Duh,

I also believe the Holy Qur'an - thanks for making the confession. We got there in the end my friend..
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not yet
written by fineliving56 , February 16, 2012
Duh … you have a Muslim friend? … don't say!! ……………:-)
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fineliving56
written by duh_swami , February 16, 2012
He's lying about that like he lies about everything...He's annoying, but I stopped taking him seriously days ago...He was fun for a while, now he's just boring...
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Duh
written by Muslim and proud , February 16, 2012
This is what you said duh

"I BELIEVE THE QURAN"

Try not to have nightmares about it my friend.
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...
written by duh_swami , February 16, 2012
Stick your Quran up there where the sun don't shine freak...
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Duh - Believe the Quran
written by Muslim & Proud , February 16, 2012
Duh,

My friend.

Here is what you said.......

I BELIEVE THE QURAN

You are a cool guy........my friend.
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Surah 2 The Cow of Ah Baqr'Ah
written by Yibel , February 16, 2012
The following gods are referred to in various parts of surah 2:
Ar-Rashid The Guide to the Right Path 2:256
As-Sabur The Timeless, The Patient 2:153
Al-Badi' The Incomparable, The Unattainable 2:117
Al-'Aleem The All Knowing, The Omniscient 2:158
Al-Qabid The Restrainer, The Straightener 2:245
Al-Basit The Extender / Expander 2:245
Al-Hayy The Living 2:255
As-Sami' The All Hearing 2:127, 2:256
Al-Qayyum The Subsisting, The Guardian 2:255
Al Haleem The Forbearing, The Indulgent 2:235
Al-Wahid The One, The Unique 2:163
Al-Wasi' The Vast, The All-Embracing, The Omnipresent, The Boundless 2:268
At-Tawwab The Ever Returning, Ever Relenting 2:128
AR-RAHMAN: 2:163
Surah 2 was "revealed" by Muhammad after he fled to safety in Yathrib, then drove out the Jews ,and renamed the town Madin'Ah.

The wealth/booty and slave women (allowing for rape of these whom your right hand possesses) was beginning to draw a large number of marauders wishing to join in the plundering and pillaging. It seems likely that the above names are the tribal gods of the various Arab groups that joined Muhammad's Merry Band of Caravan Raiders and Peaceful Village Plunderers.
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Yibel
written by Muslim & Proud , February 17, 2012
Look up Asmaa-ul-Husnaa

Your ignorance is not aware of the various, beautiful, unique and glorious names of Allah (the exalted).

As for slave women, maybe you should do some research on life, 1400 years ago - in general.
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2 yibel
written by Machmoed , February 17, 2012
Yes Yibel listen. 1400 years ago itwas ok to have slaves in general and sexslaves in perticular like Muhammad did. What? do you think this is shocking?
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Machmoed - The Liar
written by Muslim & Proud , February 17, 2012
"Yes Yibel listen. 1400 years ago itwas ok to have slaves in general"

There is one very small difference. SLAVES HAD "RIGHTS" IN ISLAM.
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use your brain open The Quran islam save our soul forever
written by then lie , February 17, 2012
Surah 1, THE OPENING
1. In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
2. Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds,
3. The Beneficent, the Merciful.
4. Owner of the Day of Judgment,
5. Thee (alone) we worship; Thee alone we ask for help.
6. Show us the straight path,
7. The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not (the path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who
astray.
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Allah create alls
written by then lie , February 17, 2012
Surah 71. Nuh
1. Lo! We sent Noah unto his people (saying): Warn thy people ere the painful doom come unto them.
2. He said: O my people! Lo! I am a plain warner unto you
3. (Bidding you): Serve Allah and keep your duty unto Him and obey me,
4. That He may forgive you somewhat of your sins and respite you to an appointed term. Lo! the term of Allah, when
it cometh, cannot be delayed, if ye but knew.
5. He said: My Lord! Lo! I have called unto my people night and day
6. But all my calling doth but add to their repugnance;
7. And lo ! whenever I call unto them that Thou mayest pardon them they thrust their fingers in their ears and cover
themselves with their garments and persist (in their refusal) and magnify themselves in pride.
8. And lo! I have called unto them aloud,
9. And lo! I have made public proclamation unto them, and I have appealed to them in private.
10. And I have said: Seek pardon of your Lord Lo! He was ever Forgiving.
11. He will let loose the sky for you in plenteous rain,
12. And will help you with wealth and sons, and will assign unto you Gardens and will assign unto you rivers.
13. What aileth you that ye hope not toward Allah for dignity
14. When He created you by (divers) stages?
15. See ye not how Allah hath created seven heavens in harmony,
16. And hath made the moon a light therein, and made the sun a lamp?
17. And Allah hath caused you to grow as a growth from the earth,
18. And afterward He maketh you return thereto, and He will bring you forth again, a (new) forthbringing.
19. And Allah hath made the earth a wide expanse for you
20. That ye may thread the valley ways thereof.
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21. Noah said: My Lord! they have disobeyed me and followed one whose wealth and children increase him in naught
save ruin;
22. And they have plotted a mighty plot,
23. And they have said: Forsake not your gods. Forsake not Wadd, nor Suwa, nor Yaghuth and Yauq and Nasr.
24. And they have led many astray, and Thou increasest the wrong doers in naught save error.
25. Because of their sins they were drowned, then made to enter a Fire. And they found they had no helpers in place
of Allah.
26. And Noah said: My Lord! Leave not one of the disbelievers in the land.
27. If Thou shouldst leave them, they will mislead Thy slaves and will beget none save lewd ingrates.
28. My Lord! Forgive me and my parents and him who entereth my house believing, and believing men and believing
women, and increase not the wrong doers in aught save ruin.
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2 Moron muslim
written by Machmoed , February 17, 2012
Sure they had pumpkin! slave is a slave and what about sexslaves like maryam alqubtya who gave Muhammad the son Ibraheem. What right did she had? right to be a sexslave? Moron.
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Muslim and proud
written by fineliving56 , February 17, 2012
"" Slaves have rights in Islam""

You mean the RIGHT when women slaves have the RIGHT to refuse to be used sexually without any marriage and to be stacked and added to the unlimited slaves that a Muslim men can have … on top the usual 4 wives … of course.

Q 4/ 24 … 4/3

Islam is a lie, because it did not OUTLAW slavery all together among other outrageous and inhuman things, like wife beating, killing, beheading,lashing,child marriages ….

Islam is a lie
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slavery
written by duh_swami , February 17, 2012
All slaves everywhere and every time had the same rights...The right to do as you are told and the right to suffer if you did not...Sounds a lot like a Muslim marriage...
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duh Swami
written by fineliving56 , February 17, 2012
indeed !!
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Machmoed - The Liar
written by Muslim & Proud , February 17, 2012
"Sure they had pumpkin! slave is a slave and what about sexslaves like maryam alqubtya who gave Muhammad the son Ibraheem. What right did she had? right to be a sexslave? Moron."

Do some research into how slaves OUTSIDE of Islam were treated liar.

Fineliving - "Islam is a lie"

Does that mean you are now going to move on?

I somehow doubt it. Islam will remain a part of your life forever.....whether you like it or not.
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Muslim and Proud - People who think all religions are man made ARE INDEED STUPID
written by Fineliving56's son , February 18, 2012
Machmoed said: "You are to stupid to realize that all religion are manmade"

You said: "I don't say and never have said that all religions are man made. I would like to congratulate you for confirming that those people who DO think that all religions are man made ARE INDEED STUPID."

I'm confused. You made an assertion without providing an explanation. So I don't follow your logic.

Why does Machmoed's statement confirm that those people who do think that all religions are man made are stupid?
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2 Moron
written by Machmoed , February 18, 2012
Do some research into how slaves OUTSIDE of Islam were treated liar.

Very lamy my moronic pumpkin. Allah supposes to guide and all you're saying is, well slavery was a common thing so Allah didn't abolish it and favoured some of his warriors with sexslaves. That's my point my moronic friend, your Allah is nothing but the conscious of a 7th century (arabic) bedouin.

Like all the rituals who were performed before Muhammad ever existed like worshipping a meteorite (black stone) and other stones at the same ka'ba (Cube). The black stone still exist. If this isn't sirk i don't know what is. Originally the pagan arabs believed by touching it, it takes sins away and brings prosperity.
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2 Fineliving56's son
written by Machmoed , February 18, 2012
I don't call him a moron for nothing. He didn't finish school.
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Finelivings Son
written by Muslim & Proud , February 18, 2012
"Why does Machmoed's statement confirm that those people who do think that all religions are man made are stupid?"

Read the statement again son - only this time, pay attention. Thanks.
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Muslim and Proud - People who think all religions are man made ARE INDEED STUPID
written by Fineliving56's son , February 18, 2012
I said: "Why does Machmoed's statement confirm that those people who do think that all religions are man made are stupid?"

You said: "Read the statement again son - only this time, pay attention. Thanks."

Excuse me but I did read it 3 times and I still don't understood. Please help me understand your point.

So I ask again. "Why does Machmoed's statement confirm that those people who do think that all religions are man made are stupid?"
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...
written by duh_swami , February 18, 2012
Slavery in one form or another has been a human staple ever since the first cave man realized that if he beat another caveman into submission, he could steal his woman and make him do all the hard work...Later it became a business...In some countries, especially Islamic, it is still a business...
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@M&P: Slaves and rape
written by Fineliving56's son , February 18, 2012
Machmoed wrote: "Sure they had pumpkin! slave is a slave and what about sexslaves like maryam alqubtya who gave Muhammad the son Ibraheem. What right did she had? right to be a sexslave? Moron."

M&P wrote: "Do some research into how slaves OUTSIDE of Islam were treated."

Why would we need to do research? Are you saying that slaves under Islam had better rights as compared to slaves under other religions of the 7th century?

Lets take the example of having the right to choose one's own sex partner. Slaves under Islam did not have that right. Their masters had the right to rape them. This is Machmoed's point.

Why do you think that he needs to research how slaves outside Islam were treated? Were they raped in a *worse* way outside Islam?
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Finelivings Son
written by Muslim & Proud , February 19, 2012
"Lets take the example of having the right to choose one's own sex partner."

This right did not exist 1400 years ago - period.

Let's take for example the rape of slaves who were captured whilst pregnant shall we.

Islam gave them rights - it was not permissible for a man to touch a pregnant woman.

Just one example btw.
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@M&P: Slavery better under Islam
written by Fineliving56's son , February 19, 2012
I wrote: "Lets take the example of having the right to choose one's own sex partner."

M&P wrote: "This right did not exist 1400 years ago - period. Let's take for example the rape of slaves who were captured whilst pregnant shall we. Islam gave them rights - it was not permissible for a man to touch a pregnant woman.

So you're saying that slaves under Islam had it better than slaves outside Islam. Ok. Why does that matter?

You think Islam is perfect, right? So why does Islam condone an immoral act? Its because they thought is was moral. Thats not perfect. Its not even close. Its really bad.

Don't you think it would have been better for the Quran to outlaw slavery?

Then today Saudi's wouldn't rape their servants.
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Finelivings Son
written by Muslim & Proud , February 22, 2012
Apologies for not responding sooner....

"You think Islam is perfect, right?"

Absolutely

"So why does Islam condone an immoral act? Its because they thought is was moral. Thats not perfect. Its not even close. Its really bad."

I'm not quite with you here....

"Don't you think it would have been better for the Quran to outlaw slavery?"

No

"Then today Saudi's wouldn't rape their servants."

You can't judge Shariah based upon the actions of the Saudis.......that's not exactly fair is it. Muslims will be judged based on the Shariah.......period.

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