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Islam is on its march of death on many fronts. A very dangerous front has recently been opened at the United Nations (UN) by the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC), the largest group of nations within the UN, by introducing a new resolution.

The resolution under consideration—Defamation of Religions—aims to enlist the power and prestige of the UN in defense of religion by declaring religions to be immune from the general discourse practiced in non-religious domains.

The aim of the resolution is to impose a gag order on people against breathing a word that religionists may find defaming or offensive. Isn’t that a great idea, folks? Now, any crackpot, more than ever, can start a scheme and call it a religion. And by so doing, he can be under the protective umbrella of the UN, immune from any criticism and litigation. By contrast, any religious order can take any offender to court for offensive statements.

I can just see the legions of lawsuits that will be launched and financed by the petrodollar rich Islamists in an unrelenting effort to muzzle any and all people who might dare to point out the truth about Islam. The very expenses of litigation, even without convictions, can ruin any individual or organization.

And what happens to the First Amendment, freedom of speech, of inquiry and expression? Freedoms we have come to cherish and celebrate as priceless treasures for free people and societies?

The answer: well, limits are also needed, particularly when the limits serve the interests of those who want to set them: In this case, the recently-empowered incorrigible, un-repenting dark-ages Islamists and their follow travelers.

My response is that gag orders, no matter where they are applied, exact an unacceptably high price for the possible good that they may do. In my ideal world, I would like to see a world where all ideas and beliefs, religious or otherwise, are expressed, even clash, and fend for themselves in a battlefield of ideas.

Ideas and beliefs should thrive or fail on merit only and not because someone says that they are the best and everyone must accept them without questioning. Let the meritorious and the fittest survive and let the phony and the unfit die. It is this form of freedom that has been the engine of progress in all fields of human endeavors. And it is the exact opposite practice of stifling free inquiry in many organized religions that is the main cause of much superstition, stagnation, and even untold suffering.

What needs to sink into the Western peoples’ mind is the realization that, to the Muslims, the idea of freedom and free thinking is largely an alien concept.

From birth onward, a Muslim’s brain is packed with the notion that everything in life is predicated on the will of Allah. Allah is in charge of all things and at all times. Allah is very much of a hands-on God. He does the thinking, he does the ordaining, and he decides the outcome for everything large and small. And since Allah is the all-knowing as well as the all-everything, the duty of the faithful is unquestioned obedience in all matters, irrespective of any and all contradictory evidence. All disproving and contradictory evidences about the Islamic precepts are labeled as deceptive machinations of the accursed Satan. Hence, it is the sacred duty of the believer to put his Islamic blinders on and submit wholeheartedly and unhesitatingly to what is preached to him. It is within this deeply engrained mindset of the Muslim that he or she rarely says anything or commits to anything without the preamble of enshallah—if it is the will of Allah. In a way, this is a great out for the Muslim. If he wants to do it and does it, Allah willed it. If he doesn’t want to do it and doesn’t do it, Allah didn’t see it fit.

It is this type of mentality that is, in large, part responsible for Muslim governments—the beneficiaries of their fatalistic pathological system—to audaciously propose this dangerous resolution to the UN. The Islamic powers that be want to protect their valued stranglehold on the masses by keeping them in the darkness of ignorance and preventing them from being exposed to the light of truth.

Question: Why is it that the Muslims are so hellbent on passing laws and resolutions of the sort they are pushing?

Answer: Because Islam is loaded with faulty and bizarre beliefs as well as many primitive, discriminatory and shameful practices. So, they need to build a steel fence around their corral of absurdity to protect it from crumbling under the assaults of truth. They have much to hide and fear exposure the most.

Question: Why is it that these followers of Allah don’t mention any other religion besides Islam for the privilege they are seeking?

Answer: Because to Muslims, Islam is the super-religion and final religion of Allah. Judaism and Christianity are the only other two religions that are granted a grudging minimal recognition by Islam. All other religions and those without religion are blasphemy and blasphemous.

If we exempt religion from criticism (some call it defamation), many problems arise. For one, what qualifies as religion and what does not qualify? Or, who or what body makes such a decision?

For instance a Paris court convicted the Church of Scientology of fraud and fined it more than euro 600,000 ($900,000) on Tuesday but stopped short of banning the group as prosecutors had demanded. Will courts be given the authority to pass judgments on religious matters? France apparently considers the Church of Scientology as less than a bonefide religion, but views Islam as a religion. On what basis is France making this call? Is it because there are five million people in France who call themselves Muslims? Is it the numbers’ game, then? Why is it then that Muslims do not recognize billions of Buddhists and Hindus as followers of legitimate religions? Oddly enough, various sects of Islam consider other sects as heretics worthy of the harshest treatments. They bomb each others’ mosques, funeral processions and even marketplaces crowded with other Muslims.

Would the UN decide the issue of what constitutes religion or will the matter be left to the discretion of each country? Would Saudi Arabia allow Christians to build a church in that country, or even the Bible be sold in bookstores? Would the Islamic Republic of Iran stop its genocidal agenda against the Baha’is? Would the mullahs desist from imprisoning the Baha’is for months and years, without any formal charges and even without a sham trial for which they are infamous?

Leonard A. Leo, chair of the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom, last week testified to Members of Congress that the only religion and religious adherents that are specifically mentioned in the “defamation” resolutions – this year’s and past year’s – are Islam and Muslims.

“Aside from Islam, the resolutions do not specify which religions are deserving of protection, or explain how or by whom this would be determined,” Leo stated.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton voiced the U.S. Administration’s strong opposition to the so called “defamation of religions” resolution by pointing out its fundamental discriminatory nature.

It is time for Islam to shed its “Borqa.” The cat is out of the bag, so to speak. In the age of instantaneous communication and with the rising literacy, the task of keeping this stone-age belief called Islam under cover is an impossibility.

No belief system or set of ideas, be they religious, scientific, philosophical, political or otherwise, should be protected from open honest criticism. It is up to the individual consumer to decide for himself, to the best of his ability and the compelling nature of the information, the value and veracity of any offering in a marketplace of free ideas.

The General Assembly of the UN must soundly defeat this dangerous resolution and send a clear message to the Islamists that this is the 21st century and Muslims would do well to cast off their obsolete primitive bigoted belief.

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Muslims in West
written by InfidelGroup , November 01, 2009
Muslims who enjoy the civilizational acheivement of West, should do little bit of thinking that why muslims want to get out of islamic states and why no non-muslim will ever even think of relocation to any muslim country. Dont try to hide islam , as it is the main reason of poverty, killings and decay of islamic countries. Let the light of 'Truth' finish this darkness of islam.

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written by Grand Kaffir of Infidelistan , November 01, 2009
I think Clinton speaking out is hopefully a sign of the rats starting to desert a sinking ship.
Sheik Obama will sit there and watch the U.S. turn into Islamerica if left to his own devices.
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written by plain talk , November 01, 2009
History has shown that Truth will not go away. Let the petrodollars be spent to poverty.

That's an excellent way to get rid of Islam. Like the Soviets, they can just go broke. The legal cost of shutting people up will break them.
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written by berq to infidal group , November 01, 2009
you have asked a very difficult question to muslims liveing in the west.The answer is this that they came to west to make the west like somilia,Afghnstan,Pakistan,or Bangladesh,their imigenation paradise.But kafirs dont want to immigrant to those paradise because their are so many whores,and kafirs are not intrested in whores.I hope this is sufficient answer.
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Islam is paganism in vail
written by Clement , November 01, 2009
Islam want protection from UN to prevent inteligent enquiries into their depraved and delutional belief system. Since it five pillars are based on pagans rituals it must not critisised and UN wants protect paganism. Let me give you A-Z of why Islam is paganism in a vail

A. –Allah was one of gods worships in Mecca before Mohammed wrapped it in the image of Yahweh the God of the Jews and Christians. This is from the testimony of the Quran and Hadiths
B. – Black stones was worship and reverence as a god among the pantheons of Mecca before Islam
C. –Converts are made by force of sward not persuasion and reasoning. Corner stone of Ka’aba the cube shrine of Allah was an idol and has nothing to do with Gabriel Abraham and Ishmael building it
D. –Divining arrows were used to decide the faith of Mohammed ‘s father Abdulah – the slave of Allah in ka’aba and demons are disciples Allah through the preaching of Quran. Wonderful!
E. –Examine every scripture whether Jewish or Christian in the light of what the Quran says any thing outside that is false and anyone who leaves Islam kill him. Is it not satanic?
F. – Faith must be exercised on one Idol- Allah only and not any other. Fight for him and his apostle to be sure of heaven. Can you believe this?
G. –Goddess associated with Allah like al-lat, al-luza and Ma’nat must be destroyed. Does it mater I if you worship one Idol or many idols?
H. –Hub bal the senior idol of kaa’ba must submit to Allah the supreme rock god of the kuraish the tribe of Mohammed. Hatred of all mankind is the major creed of the cult.
I. –Islam a religion of submission of all idols, jinns and humans to Allah the supreme rock god of the Kuraish tribe of Mecca of Saudi Arabia, Under the Arab imperialism.
J. –Jinns and demons profess Koran and Islam to be their religion. Can you believe this to be godly religion?
K. – Knowledge of other religions like Judaism and Christianity is enmity to Islam. You must remain ignorant of these true religions to remain loyal to Islam.
L. –Lives are to be sacrificed in fighting for Allah to guarantee paradise with Allah. One of the unwritten but the greatest Pillar of Islam.
M. –Mohammed is the sole massager and partner of Allah, unlike the God of the Jews and Christians who has many prophets and Massagers to direct mankind to him with Jesus as the last and the final Messiah and Saviour.
N. – No freedom or right to question the stupidity of Allah compared to the True God of the Universe.
O. – Obedient to the cult ritual belief system is the supreme command and has nothing to do with morality or being humanistic
P. -Partnership with Allah the supreme Idol or personal relationship is forbidden except Mohammed the chief priest.
Q. -Quran the recitals of this idol call Allah was collated into a book from the oral tradition of many years after the death of its principal recital general, and the chief poet of the cult religion.
R. –Remember the Ramadan the holy month of the pagan to keep it holy, is one of the five pillars.
S. –Satan circulates in human like blood. Make sure his recitals agree with that of Allah the supreme rock god. Steeling is forbidden but not against unbelievers because their wealth are yours by right. can you believe this?
T. –Turn towards Kaa’ba when you pray because that is the dwelling place of Allah and will not hear you if turn to any other direction because he is not everywhere and cannot hear from any direction.
U. – Unbeliever in this cult belief system must be killed and wipe out to the last because Allah hate them
V. –Virgins are waiting for the martyrs and believer for real treat in bedmatics and heavenly wine to cool down if they are killed in the art of terrorism or die as the faithful for Allah and Mohammed his Partner.
W. –Wine should not be taken while here on earth or else you will not be allow to drink in Allah’s paradise.
X. –Xerox the life of Mohammed and practice it and you will be in Allah, Paradise. Remember the assassinations. Rapping of slave girls, the adultery, slaughtering of the Jews, Christians, the polygamy and the war against all unbelievers.

Y. –Yield your brain to the teaching of Quran only. No any other knowledge is necessary and remained ignorant.

Z. –Zip up your month and closed your eyes to all the evil in Islam. You must not question or leave but believing and the garden shall be yours. That is summary of cult/paganism of Islam. Rebuttal awaited if you want reference I can give you.



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written by IndoEuropean , November 02, 2009
Yes, and about other Religions/Believes, these are not taught at all, but to (mandatory) Islamic people various Mullah, Imams & Co. teach "stright on" some (very Islamic) conclusions about them (like: Christianity is ashtray, Hinduism is praising stones, and so on). (Mandatory) Islamic people remain IGNORANT (I actually never knew such ignorant people like Islamic ones, despite they belong to a very wealthy and rich community - due to past pillaging and present Petrodollars, and pillaging -). And above all they are/remain NARROW MINDED people: enquiring is a very good exercise for the brain and intelligence selves - which is forbidden in Islam (about other Religions/Believes, but even Cultures and Civilizations, see above - they learn standard "concepts" which are ignorant themselves. Imagine: Ignorance upon Ignorance, which means, Darkness upon Darkness. "Islam" really is the "Religion of ... PECE").

Anyway, off Topic but I needed to somehow open a debate about it (or encouraging an Article about this?): I already saw two videos which are making me wonder. Is Islam really like German hitlerian Nazism? I mean: about the Big Lie and Sadism, and barbarian Acts "maked up" in order the general public not to know about them, but at the opposite, believing that German hitlerian Nazi were kind to Jewish and others?

I saw a video about Sudan: Southern witnesses testify about the gruesome abuses they suffered, while Northern (Islamic) Authorities testify IN FRONT OF A CAMERA that not only they treat good people of the South, but that they are building beautiful houses and else for them!

About Pakistan: I saw a video made by an Islamo-pakistani, which said "we have to be kind with Minorities, they are Pakistani, ...". I thought: great! Then I got to read a comment: "shut up you liar, you're oppressing them ...". And I said: of course! Another case where Islamic official words do not match at all with Islamic (hidden words and) real deeds .... "Be kind to Minorities": is that another Islamic Big Lie to make foreigner believe that Islam is "a Religion and Government of Peace" (while it effectively is a dreadful Religion and Government)? I think the answer is yes.

The very question is: is Islam trying to do or actually doing exactely what German hitlerian Nazi did, telling BIG LIES of the "Theresinen Stadt's" kind? [They were showing a beautiful town, saying they built it for Jewish, in order them to have a whealty life. Just after people got to know that this was a Big Lie and actually, behind the Stage, Jewish and others were brutally treated, tortured, harshly abused and horribly murdered]

Bye.
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yes very dangerous,i hope islam dies soon
written by yes very dangerous,i hope isla , November 02, 2009


this is horrifying.i am an ex-muslim in india,from 1992.

already here,u can abuse hindus,but cant do so to xtians/muslims/buddhists.

if u say 1 word of truth like - evolution is a fact,the xtians/muslims will be at yr throat,and to put it simply its just horrible.

hindus r down to having 2 and now 1 child while muslims on average have 4 or more kids.

so in 50 yrs or so india will be an islamic country.

due to ignorance of hindus and complicity of politicians and vote bank politics,india is already
islamised.

govt gives over us$1 billion subisidy for haj and
study of koran to muslims.

but no subsidy is granted to hindus for any thing nor are they allowed to set up hindu schools.

worst,money is taken from hindu temple trusts controlled by govt,to set up churches and madrasses
and this is leading to demise of hindu faith faster and faster.

govt here actually pays mullas to teach arabic and koran.

govt here actually does not pay and is shutting down sanskrit university depts and also people
r discouraged from learning sanskrit etc due to this.

when i was a kid,i used to see people celebrate diwali with great vigour and pomp,now a days no one cares,people booze,play cards,and hindus here
r forgetting their culture and heritage due to apathy of their ownself and also govt pourposely
promoting pseudosecualrism at cost of hindus.

i indeed worry that my children may have to live in an islamic india and be arab boot lickers.

my children and grandchildren maybe again enslaved by a hatefilled nazi idoelogy,which will
destroy hunaity and mother earth 1 day.

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written by a guest , November 02, 2009
i suggest each time muslims try to impose sharia law on the non muslim countries the other religion group do the same i mean the christian , jews , hindo , buddhist ,.. also try to impose thier own religion so at the end the secular law will last , remain.
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other ppl r too afraid or scared to do this
written by other ppl r too afraid or scar , November 02, 2009
other ppl r too afraid or scared to do this,and there
r compulsion of politican correctness.

thus we r being defeated by our own weakness.

just as world united to defeat communism,nazism,we have to unite
to destroy islam else they will treat
us as 2nd and 3rd class citizens,and arabs will
be 1st class citizens like in nazi germans r 1st
class and all others r 2nd-3rd class citizens.
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written by Machmoed elchalid , November 02, 2009
Clement said: You must remain ignorant of these true religions to remain loyal to Islam.

True religions? There are no true religions. All religions rae made by men and made for men. Islam is not from God? true, like all religions. Don't fool people! Judaism, christianity and islam are not from God.
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written by vbv , November 02, 2009
All religions are man-made, mind you I am emphasizing "man-made" ,for women had no role i in manufacturing these wierd lies that is given an honorable epiteth "religion" and bolstered by a non-existing superspook called "God/Allah/Yahweh/Ishwar, etc." At best women's role was peripheral to strengthen the male chauvinism that was inherent in all religion ,more specifically the monotheistic cults of Islam,Christianity and Judaism ,where the "God/Allah/Yahweh" is a "He" and not a she. Women are treated as contemptible objects ,objects for just sexual gratification and produce children ,preferably male children and the cause of 'original sin' by these monotheistic cults.

All in all 'religion' is the longest surviving "BULLSHIT" ever on hich charlatans,scoundrels,blackguards, maniacs ,psychopaths, etc thrive enslaving human minds for all the power and pelf that follows imposing this worst fraud called "religion".

Now if special privileges are accorded on this BULLSHIT called religion ,it is only tyrants,mullahs,corrupt politicians, corrupt,immoral , wicked and cruel priests/mullahs/padrs/popes/swamies/gurus etc will have free run to oppress ,humiliate and terrorise common folks ,making a fool of them and living off their hard labour and enterprise without having to work for it. Religion is for scamsters ,crooks, pontificating sanctimonious scoundrels. No special privileges should be accorded to them and they should be open to public scrutiny to check on all their nefarious activities and should be subject to all criticism ,however unfair ,for if they are the appointees of the socalled supersnook/superspook called "God/Allah/Yahweh/Bhagavan,etc," ,let that superspok come and prove its existence before all openly - I know this God,etc cannot come because it is plain bullshit that does not EXIST.

Now what these muslims are aiming is to rope in the UN to propogate the arabian barbarianism through the backdoor. UN resolution will serve these rotten scoundrels to achieve their pet dream of 'islam dominatiing the world' . These devious thinking thugs,immoral rascals have taken a leaf off their founder Muhamad 's (the fake 'prophet' and the only one of islam as the rest were all jews whom they hate so much after robbing their 'prophet'/ patriarchs,etc. and distorting their mythologies to suit their convenience) bookk to impose the arabian barbarianism. If the UN accedes and passes this socalled resolution ,these criminals will have free run of everything to terrorise and impose their barbaric "sharia" under the cover of such a resolution and go about forcibly converting the populations everywhere to arabian barbarianism called islam and lead the world to an 'eternal dark age' ,rule by mullahs/ayatollahs/talibans,etc. It is a sure passport to ignorance ,fear,supestitions and uncivilised barbarianism that is evident in islamic countries like Afghanistan,Pakistan,Saudi Arabia,Iran,Iraq,Sudan,Somalia,Nigeria,etc.

To obvert such an eventuality,the civilsed world should come together and oppose any such retrgrade move by the UN and stand to guarantee Universal Human Rights and absolute freedom from religion,its dogma and tyranny.
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hindu do worship goddess
written by hindu do worship goddess , November 02, 2009
i being an ex-muslim wud like to make a point.

nature worship is the only real true religion,i mean care for envorinment,care for humanity etc.

yes majority of the time men have alone dominated and this is more so in hate based judeo-christianity/islam.

as against this in paganism incl hinduism,the elements
of nature r worshipped,like rain-indra,fire-agni,air-vayu,sun,moon,etc...also we r not created by any imainary jehova/allah,but evoled by nature.

so technically speaking worshipping nature = the true god is actually the only true religion.

nature worshipped as mother,or prakruti is the
real and provable god.

so let us worship nature be more ecofriendly,more
humane and help destroy judeo-christianity/islam
and help save humanity.


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written by a guest , November 02, 2009
what if god exist , what if he is going to judge us , what if one of the religion is actully from the god the creator . i believe we should try to know god through compare all the religions . dont forget if god exist he is very powerful so we better worship him
may god bless you all
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re:
written by sanjay , November 02, 2009
what if god exist , what if he is going to judge us , what if one of the religion is actully from the god the creator . i believe we should try to know god through compare all the religions . dont forget if god exist he is very powerful so we better worship him
may god bless you all


if there is a god above i can assure you it is not Allah
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re: hindu do worship goddess
written by sanjay , November 02, 2009
i being an ex-muslim wud like to make a point.

nature worship is the only real true religion,i mean care for envorinment,care for humanity etc.

yes majority of the time men have alone dominated and this is more so in hate based judeo-christianity/islam.

as against this in paganism incl hinduism,the elements
of nature r worshipped,like rain-indra,fire-agni,air-vayu,sun,moon,etc...also we r not created by any imainary jehova/allah,but evoled by nature.

so technically speaking worshipping nature = the true god is actually the only true religion.

nature worshipped as mother,or prakruti is the
real and provable god.

so let us worship nature be more ecofriendly,more
humane and help destroy judeo-christianity/islam
and help save humanity.



hindus worship goddess my ass rembember female featous are aborted or just thrown away or poisned or drown in a bucket of milk in India for example the state of hariyana has the lowest sex ratio and have import brides from kerala or bihar paying dowry for them the one who dont want to pay for them simply kidnapp and human trffic the girl
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Challenge
written by Infidel , November 02, 2009
Can a proponent of Truth, lie to make a person away from lying? No..
But a lier can lie to make a person lier.
Similarly muslims, use violence or lie to make a person love violence or lie aka makes him muslim.
Non-muslim religions cant use force/violence/lie to propagate peace/Truth/non-killings. Thats the main trouble in the world. Mullahs the persons having knowledge about koran, hadiths etc are the most cruel.
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written by berq to anonymous , November 02, 2009
I agree with you.Many people argue that we should not believe in God without giveing any good reason.If we belive in God their is no harm in it,and if we dont,it is very risky.We should judge the religions and reasons of their followers.A good tree brings good fruits and bad tree brings bad fruits actully tree is always known by its fruits.
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ISLAM is poison,hatred,terror,dogma,intolerant,sla
written by Globe trotter , November 03, 2009
ISLAM is not a religion - a poisonous,hate filled,most narrow minded,dogmatic,intolerant, fascist, slavery perpetrating,perpetuating fear-terror filled primitive -totalitarian ideology driven to destroy highest human values,human civilization, and bent on to bring the darkness ,savagery,cruelty of desert dwellers and subjugate the humanity by telling the imaginary ,concocted falsehoods of MO/ALLA/QQURRAN . ISLAM is the culprit number #1 in numerous ways to be tried and declared as not suitable for humanity. Humanity/ united nations do not want ISLAM as part of it's civilization. ISLAM ( MO/ALLA/QQURRAN/SIRA ) must be tried in an international criminal court and declared as unfit to be called as religion .
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ok,let us worship nature...ie be ecofriendly
written by ok,let us worship nature...ie , November 03, 2009
ok,let us worship nature...ie be ecofriendly and not
destroy our planet,and save humanity from judeo-christianity-islam.


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written by to berq , November 03, 2009
i believe you are right
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written by non believer , November 03, 2009
Even if a God exists how do you know it is him?why not her?
Why should we believe any one person who says he is a prophet or messenger of God just by corroborating previous claimants? Who has seen God pants down? Why were there no lady prophets? Why is this God biased towards men.What is he she or it doing to prevent rich and mighty exploiting poor and weak? Don't be scared of future heaven or hell. Be good to all and don't harm any one. Do not impose your beliefs on others. Even if there is a God and it is a he, he has no right to send such people to hell. Forget about God.Enjoy life today without harming others. As for Muslims they can only use what they have. I.e muscles. How can they use what they don't have-brains. Any body with brains will not accept any thing unquestioningly.
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UN SHOULD TRY ALL RELIGIONS
written by Clement , November 03, 2009
I agree with Globe Trotter that Islam should be tried in the Interanation crimininal court of just and if found guilty should banned and all nations under its control should be given the option renounce islam or expel from the UN. Instead of sponsoring resolution to protect all religion from poplic critique, all religions should be tested with the foundamental human rights and any religion that does not pass that test it should not be protected from public enquiry and critique. UN should not appear to protect evil in whatever forms it comes. Religion should not be used as cover to perpetrates all sorts of attrocity and evil under the guise that it divinely approved like Islam which sanctions all sort of evils, suicides bombing,Political assassination, poligamy, women oppressions, prostitution, murder, wars violent against so called unblievers under pretence that it God's order. UN shine your eyes and protect humanity from evil and destruction.Check up the fruits of any religion before approving it as a true religion.
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Naturalist
written by Truth , November 04, 2009
To many who advocate religion based on nature - Most Pre judeo christian/islamic religions believed in worshipping nature. From Pagans/druids of Europe, to shinto/tao of east, hinduism/buddhims etc of Hindustan. All believed in nature and protected it, by not abusing it's resources. The people were connected to nature, we need to get back to that, and reject the mumbo-jumbo put forward by the Islamists. Not a single idea can be proven, it's fairy stories, but very violent and deadly.
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written by vbv , November 04, 2009
The muslim'god'Allah isnotauniversal'god' for the simple reason hehates most of the humanity.Allah wants membership of his cult and anyone refusing it is game tobemurdered ,looted ,violated just like anymafia boss wants hissubjectsto beinperpetual fear andunquestionedsubmission to the diktats of his chosen goons who will enforce such submission.But Allah is just a fictional character ,it is just that arch mafia boss Muhamad ,the self proclaimed "prophet" who even after his death 14 centuries ago exercises such vicarious influence. Why ,one may ask?The reason isthat it is a fascist ,criminal idealogy that arabs are enamoured of that will get them power over the restof humanity. It is just power madness and the greed of allthe pelf that accompanies it.Islam is just a criminal arab barbarianism dressed up as religion.It is bereft of any spiritual or moral values. It is criminal ,repressive ,backward ,promotes fear ,ignorance ,superstition and stifles individual freedom and rights. Therefore the concept of humanrights is alien to this criminal idealogy.
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Right relationship and not Religions
written by Clement , November 04, 2009
Machmoed, I understand how you feel generally abount religion especially when all you know is Islam. I agree that religion is made by man,but to say that Judaism and Christianity is not from God is to go to extreme.True Judaism is not religion but relationship with Yahweh the God of the Jews.Abraham had relationship with God not religion.Likewise Moses they spoke and work together, they relate with God by keeping his commandment. Jesus had no religion but relationship with God and establish no religion either but gave command to preach the good news of salvation to all mankind those who believe and keep God commandments will be saved. This is no religion is right relationship established through the sacrifice of Christ for all men who believe.You can test the veracity of this by looking at the fruits of true believers of Christ's Gosple, you will see power demostration and miracles, compassion,love of humanity, care humulity and passion for the good of hummanity. These are not qualities of Satan engineered religion like Islam. The fruits of true christianity are good, and godly and reflect on Gods nature and what he wants man to be.Not violent and hatred of one another.All true Christians are humanist but not all humanist are Christians. Read this truth from the New Testament of the Bible and will be glad you did.
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religion
written by religionguy , November 04, 2009
I wonder what possesses a god to judge people on the basis of belief. Seemingly you can burn in hell forever for picking the wrong belief... and it's all decided on the basis of something magical happening when you read the scriptures of that god. You have to recognize "the voice" of the god and start believing.

Apostates aren't measured by a moral standard... it's a matter of belief.

It's as though the gods think that a lack of faith is an act of maliciousness. Well, they do think that, I guess... not believing is the worst sin a man can commit.

Abraham was willing to kill his son... if that's what the god wanted... to have refused the order to sacrifice his son would have been sacrilegious.

Gods can do that... they can pick something perfectly evil... say bombing a school bus or sacrificing your son... and make it okay.

Once a god has okayed it, everything is fine.

Am I ever thankful that I am not like those Muslims! You know the ones... the ones who think belief is the supreme virtue and that gods define morality with their edicts.
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Death to ISLAM, Death to ALLA, Death to MO, Death
written by Globe trotter , November 04, 2009
We all agree with Amil imani. Death to the plague, death to the EBOLA virus , death to the poison called ISLAM. Death to the ISLAMIC ALLA , Death to the JIHADISTS, Death to the AL QAEDA, Death to the TALIBAN,Death to MO, Death to the ISLAMISTS. Internet will spell death to ISLAM.
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Advice for all Muslims
written by Muhammad Islam , November 05, 2009
As much you argue remember guidance is from Allah.

This my advice for all Muslims readers inshallah.

Ever since the beginning of Islâm, the unbelievers have never ceased plotting against this precious Muslim ummah (nation) in order to inject into it the poison of disbelief, deviation and moral degradation. By this the enemies of Islâm have sought to corrupt the values and beliefs of the sons and daughters of Islâm, as well as seeking to remove the Book of Allâh and the Sunnah of His Messenger sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam from being their source of guidance and their source of legislation in the various Islâmic lands. Over the fourteen centuries of Islâm, the unbelievers have gradually succeeded in some of these plots!

By the end of the first decade of the fifteenth Islâmic century (1410-1411H / 1990-1991 CE), the world witnessed a total re-shaping of its socio-political landscape; a re-shaping that again was to have a serious impact upon the Islâmic world. With the collapse of communist Russia as a dominant world force, it was Islâm and the Islâmic lands that then became the main focal targets for the economic, ideological and military attack of the New World Order; the now dominant culture. In effect, it was the beginnings of the second Crusades! Consequently: “The Muslims today face a barbaric onslaught from their enemies - the jews, christians, atheists, secularists and others. The Islâmic lands are being invaded by various forms of unbelief and deviations; and throughout the Islâmic lands the winds of desire and corruption blow, the likes of which cannot be truly known except by Allâh, Lord of the servants. Supported by a demonic global plan as well as unlimited financial backing, this attack aims at domination and hegemony over the Islâmic world; dividing it, attacking it culturally and morally and perverting the true image of the Religion. Therefore, it is amongst the priorities of the Islâmic call (da’wah) to break this attack and to counter it with every legitimate means of da’wah possible.” [Bayaan wa Tawdeeh (pp.9-10). Shaykh ‘Abdul-’Azeez bin Baaz said as part of his endorsement to the booklet (p.15): “Each word was in its proper place.”]

“O you who believe! Do not take as intimate friends and advisors those outside of your Religion, for they will not spare any efforts to corrupt you. They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has appeared from their mouths, but what their hearts conceal is far worse. Indeed We have made plain to you the Signs, if you do truly understand.” [Soorah Aal-’ Imraan 3:118]

THE FUTURE IS FOR Islâm:

Yet along with this bleak reality and despite the intensity of this attack, the blessed da’wah and Islâmic revival continues to flourish and grow - and all praise be to Allâh. However, with this growth, the enemies have intensified their efforts to suppress the revival. The need of the time, therefore, is for the Muslims to mutually co-operate with each other, in order to become a single hand against their enemies and to repel the attacks made against themselves, their creed (‘aqeedah) and their lands. Our Lord, the Exalted, said: —“And those who are unbelievers are allies and helpers, one to another; so unless you do this [i.e. be allies and helpers to one another and be unified] there will be trials and discord upon the earth and great corruption.” [Soorah al-Anfaal 8:73]

“Co-operate with one another in righteousness and piety, but do not co-operate with one another in sin and transgression.” [Soorah al-Maa’idah 5:2]

Only by such mutual co-operation and sincere mutual advice and by striving hard to cultivate within the ummah sound faith (eemaan) and righteous actions - adorning this striving and cultivation with patient perseverance (sabr) - will the blessed da’wah and revival bear the desired results and expected fruits.

It is also obligatory that this da’wah and revival be firmly embedded upon calling for a return to the Book and the Sunnah and to that which the Pious Predecessors of this ummah were agreed upon. It is essential for those involved in this revival that when differences of opinion arise between the Muslims - as they inevitably will - that they should adhere to the ettiquettes of differing (aadaabul-khilaaf); ensuring that the revival does not become marginalized or side-tracked into a dialectic about issues which - though they may have an importance in Islâm - are not, however, from amongst its immediate priorities. Since doing so only serves to further weaken this already fragile ummah, stifle the da’wah and delay the help and victory (nusrah) that Allâh has promised to the Muslims; for He, the Exalted, has indeed guaranteed that the future is for Islâm:

“Allâh has promised to those amongst you who have faith and do righteous actions that He will certainly grant them the succession of rule (khilaafah) in the land, as He granted it to those before them; and that he will grant them the authority to practice their Religion which He has chosen for them and that He will replace their state of fear, for one of safety; provided that they worship Me alone and not direct worship to others along with Me.” [Soorah an-Noor 24:55]

“They wish to extinguish the light of Allâh with their mouths, but Allâh will perfect His light; even though the unbelievers detest it. It is He Who sent His Messenger with the guidance and the religion of truth, that it may prevail over all other religions, even though those who worship others besides Allâh may detest it.” [Soorah as-Saff 6 1:8-9]

Allâh’s Messenger sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam said: “Indeed Allâh gathered up the earth for me, so that I saw its eastern and western parts; and indeed the dominion of my ummah will reach whatever was gathered up for me from it.” [Reported by Muslim (no.2889) and Aboo Daawood (no.4252), from Thawbaan radiAllâhu ‘anhu]

He sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam also said: “This affair will reach whatever is reached by the night and the day. And Allâh will not leave a dwelling of brick, nor of fur, except that He will cause this Religion to enter into it, bringing either honor or humiliation; honor which Allâh grants to Islâm or humiliation which Allâh gives to unbelief.” [Saheeh: Reported by Ahmad (4/103). It was declared to be authentic (saheeh) by the hadeeth master (haafidh), ‘Abdul-Ghanee al-Maqdisee, in Dhikrul-Islâm (1/166)]

And he sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam said: “Give glad-tidings to this ummah of honour, establishment upon the earth, help and victory, and preeminence of the Religion. Whosoever does an action of the Hereafter for a worldly motive, will have no portion of the Hereafter.” [Saheeh: Reported by al-Haakim (4/311) from ‘Ubayy ibn Ka’b radiAllâhu ‘anhu. It was declared to be saheeh by the leading hadeeth specialist (muhaddith) of this age, Shaykh Muhammad Naasirud-Deen al-Albaanee, in Saheehul-Jaami’ (no.2825)]

This series addresses the nature of the ideological attack. It discusses the rationale behind this attack, its objectives, its scale, as well as the means employed by the enemies to achieve these objectives. It comprises of a translation of two separate interviews. The first interview centers upon the root cause for the ummah’s weakness and our obligations towards the Islâmic world, which, whilst they took place over a decade ago, are still very much applicable to our present state of affairs. Since this ideological attack, rather than having abated, continues vigorously and vehemently, having found yet more avenues to corrupt the hearts of the Muslims, whether those living in the Islâmic lands or those residing as minorities in the lands of the unbelievers! One such avenue of attack is through the satellite and TV Culture. Through such avenues the Muslims, especially the youth, open themselves up to being influenced and indoctrinated into the culture of the New World Order - a kufr culture - whereby their values, beliefs, ideals and ethics are gradually made to accord with that of this demonic culture. The result being that many a time nothing remains of that victim’s Islâmic identity except perhaps a name; and from this Allâh’s refuge is sought.
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written by Machmoed elchalid , November 05, 2009
@Clement,

You say that all I know is islam, you´re very mistaken and very funny my friend. Now you said that, I know it is you who know nothing about religions but it´s ok. Just read my thoughts about religion and I´m waiting for your reply. Maybe you can tell me the truth about God and prophets, but i´m sure you can´t.

Who told you Moses did exist, since we know that the jews never went/were to/in Egypt. The pyramids are not built by slaves as you maybe know. Just consider Abraham…he did not believe in JHWH but in Baal. JHWH himself had a wife called ashera and later they wrote his wife out of the scriptures. Jesus Christ had a relationship with God?……are you sure about this, Clement? I’m convinced that Jesus never existed in the way the bible tells us in the first place. The story about Jesus is the same story of many so called prophets before him like Horus who also had twelve followers who is baptized and the baptizer was beheaded to death. Same story about Mythras who died for three days and then resurrected, who cured the blind and walked on water etc. It’s just like Einstein said…If the God of the bible/Thora/Koran exist, shame on him and Like Einstein I can’t believe in a creator who judges his own creation. This is then a God of incompetence and full of ignorance and jealousy. Some fools say that God is powerfull and what if religion is from God? Well do you really believe that religion can be from God since there are so many lies in those scriptures..does God lie about his own creation? We believe that God is unchangeable and eternal..how come that this God has changed so much in character in a very short time. The god of the Jews is different from other Gods(Tyrannic/jealous/childish), the God of Christians is surprisingly friendly and forgiving and needs his creation to salvate his creation, which he created. Only braindamaged people believe such fairytales. Allah is some in between JHWH and God of the bible and was the God of gods in pre-islamic time (Allah and Hubal have the same origins). In religions I see everything but God. I believe that religion is blasphemy, because a lot of lies are being told about the creator which we can’t know and therefore we can’t describe, he is antropomorph. So tell me, what evidence is there for the so called prophets or God of the religions? Nothing at all! except of hear saying. I’m not saying that God does not exist..ofcourse there must be something that made all this (life with all it’s laws and everything) possible, but that’s all there is. Judaism, Christianity, islam....the hell with it!

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written by Machmoed elchalid , November 05, 2009
Clement wrote: The fruits of true christianity are good, and godly and reflect on Gods nature and what he wants man to be.

Uhumm...sure pumpkin...tell it to those who had been slaughtered and burned alive because they didn't believe in Christ. Millions of people were killed in the name of christ by innocentius and others. Please check your resources. I don't mean the resources from christian liers like Usebius. 99% of the visitors here already know that religions are not from God and a hoax. We hope that this will be 100% in the next week.
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Relationship with God as against being religious
written by Clement , November 06, 2009
Machmoed, I have read your rebutals but I will not debet with you in this matter.I know your mind set from the way you write. I am that you have seen that Christianity is different from the whole lot. If you do not believe in the christian scriptures at least in our very eyes we see bad people being transformed for better,because they believe in the teaching of Christ.Real miracles and wonders are being performed in the name of Jesus.Those who believe in his teaching, build schools, orphanages,churches for peaching salvation healing and deliverance of those oppressed of the devil for the good of mankind.What else do you expect from A God that is for all mankind?
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written by Machmoed elchalid , November 06, 2009
Clement, I'm not against the teachings of christ or the teachings of Budha etc. It's not about Jesus. It's about his followers who sinned many many times against humanity. Christianity is not unique in that. Many cultures have built a prosper society and many cultures were even further than what christians, jews and moslims did achieve in their cultures. What you mentioned has nothing to do with the creator of heaven and earth. You say JHWH and the the father of jesus is the same. How can this be my friend? Jews themselfe believe it is not the same. As you know JHWH think it is ok to use slaves (right hand posession) and as you know Judaisme do not believe in a satan as apart from god but. The jews believe that God and satan is the same. It is He who does everything..even the bad things. Christians do not believe such thing and say it is satan. Tell me how can this be the same. They are definately not the same in origing or character. Bethlehem didn't even exist in the time of jesus. Why does the bible not include the gospel of Mary, Judas atc. Who wrote the gospel? A lot of questions christians can't answer.

I'm sorry if I offended you but this is what I believe. God is powerfull enough to te tell people exactly what he wants, but he chooses to speak through harts in stead of prophets or scriptures wich are full of errors. For me God is really powerfull and very intelligent. It is not inteligent to sent a lot of prophets who tell different stories about God.
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TO MACHMOED
written by Clement , November 07, 2009
You said you are not against Christ teachings but his followers.You are targeting a wrong people.I am not against the muslim people because they are the victims of Islam but I am against Mohommed and what he taugth in the quran because it is evil.It is the source and inspirations of terrorism, hate of unbelievers,woman oppression,intolerance and violence.From the teachings of Christ we know those who are not true christian, the same goes with Islam, terrorism is true Islam.Get it right.
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written by Machmoed elchalid , November 09, 2009
You say the prophet said this and the prophet said that….but what evidence do you have? It’s the same old story Clement. There is nothing that can be said the prophet did or said, cause there is no evidence whatsoever. The hadieth are false as you know and are not the deeds and sayings of the prophet. All the sayings and deeds are lies and are been noted 150 till 300 years after his possible death. The only thing that he might have said is in the Koran. But then again when we compare the Koran with the Thora it is deffinately friendlier to women and Allah is less hatefull. But I really don’t believe it is from God. To me it’s all human fiction. Just see the newest research about the 7th century. Conclusion of the scientists: Mohammed did not exist as the arabs told us, there were 5 different muhammeds. The Koran did exist partially before mohammed even was born and was for 230- years not finished. The hadieth are not true. The islam might be a Christian shisma. So Clement, did you know all this…I’m sure you didn’t…so don’t tell lies just because the arabs did. Be a Christian and believe that God is great and don’t judge anyone for we are not sure what happened in the 7th century. Read ‘ Die dunkeln anfange’ and see that there is nothing that can be said for sure about the prophet or the beginning of islam. In the time of Muhammed there was no such as islam. Islam as we know it today is declared in 9th century or even later.
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We are united in one thing- Islam is false
written by Clement , November 10, 2009
Machmoed, we seem to agree in this one thing that Islam is false.Let therefore focust on that perhaps we may save some people from the evil cult. We only differ as regards Jesus Christ whom I believe is God sent. His unique birth, message, life style death and ressurection and ascension to heaven placed him on a different level to that of other prophets. Above all his messages are not anti- logic or anti- humans 0r anti-science, his golden rule is specifically outstanding which is the bases of peaceful coexistence with one another.ie, "do unto others what you would want them to do unto you". His life is a role model to follow.He did great wonders and miracle and delegated the same authority to those who believe on him. And we see this same power being demostrated in our very eyes. This is no religion but a life-giving mission.There is no christian nation in the world but we have individuals and organisations that are and their fruits are good, humane and peaceful.If there is God then this must be from God.I believe in Jesus and all he stand for as being from God. My pray for you is that you too will come to that realisation that Jesus is the truth, and he was what he claim to be and with his knowledge you can find everlasting peace.You can not say Christ has no enough proofs of what he claimed to be.Not less than 8 of his clossed disciples penned down what they saw and heard him say and did. And the testimonies coroborate one another and harmoneous with history and Archeology and science.This was not passed through oral tradition like Islam.But Eye witnesses. I believe if Christ will be put on trial with 8 witnesses no Judge will deny him of justice. Whether you believe this or not let call it a day. Thanks
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written by Machmoed elchalid , November 10, 2009
Clement,

Thank you very much for your reply. If there is an example of how humans should interact with eachother it's deffinately Jesus. The stories about Jesus are very beautiful and Jesus is indeed if the stories are true from God. What i don't like are the lies being told about God, no matter who's telling them. I do believe you but are you willing to proove the above. What eyewitnesses? could you tell me one eyewitness who wrote something about Jesus? Are there scriptures who were wriiten down in the time of Jesus? If there was such person and the evidence is there i will be the first to believe. Think about this: 600 hundred years christianity was brutal to evryone who didn't believe the trinity dogma and many people are killed...wich was wrong. The islam came 600 hundreds years after Jeus/christianity...maybe the muslim world would be much better in about 600 years just like christians did. Would this be possible? Clement. You remember copernicus who told the truth about earth and sun etc. The christians did not believe this because they did think it's blasphamy. How sure are you that the word of God (the bible) is from God and why didn't God guide them in this matter? I know what you believe and i know that it is goog! keep helping humanity for that is the reason why God made some stronger and inteliigent than others...so we can help eachother for we are brotherskeeper. We have to help the innocent and the weak, no matter what they believe. It's not about their believings but it about our believes and what we stand for. When a slave is asleep, some fools say let him sleep...I say we have to waken up the slave and tell him about freedom. Thank you for believing in goodness of people.
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A SIMPLE CHALLEGE
written by Clement , November 10, 2009
Machmoed, I had called it a day but your challege is so simple to ignore. The Gospel according to St John was written by one of Christ beloved Apostle he also wrote 1,2,3John and book of Revelation. Matthew wrote the Gosple and Peter wrote 2 letters Jude the Blood brother of Jesus wrote the book of Jude,These are eye witnesses account.Paul was letter miraclously converted and through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit without a teachers taught exactly what the Appostle taught.I don't know of 600 years of bruterlity of christianity. Do you mean christian persecution? Christianity spread through miracle and wonders and persuasive preaching even up to presence time.The book of Act of Apostle recorded the spread of Christianity and how it was done it was not by force. If you are talking of the Crusades in the 13th Century the action was not backed by Bible teaching so you cannot bleme true christianity for that.It was a response to Islams sward of force conversion and conquest.It was a miliitary strategist and has nothing to do with Christian doctrine.Remember the Christian scriptures where in circulations at the time when must of the eye witnesses where still alive who could have refuted most of the claims but they did not instead the unbelieving historians noted the the truth and existence of Christ story. But the jocker of Christ proofs lies in fullfilment of Old Testament prophesies concerning him which he fullfiled to the lalter about 300 of them fullfill by one person. If you cannot believe Christ on the account of miracles and fullfiled prophecies and witnesses account and holiness of life, I wonder what else can impress you. Cheers!
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written by Machmoed elchalid , November 11, 2009
Humanity and life in general impresses me Clement, Not stories about someone who left no evidence whatsoever and who i don't know. Ofcourse it is easy to refute your writings..especially about eyewitnesses. But actually i'm not interested in what you belief..this is a personal matter. Christ if he did exist was a very good human being and the best example of how humans should interact with each other. I hope we can end this discussion cause i'm not the one who drive peopele away from their believings except if the believings are a threat to humanity like islam fundamentalists and jihadi's etc etc etc.
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