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Islamic Morality: Love Thy Neighbor Only If Muslim

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The Muslim view of morality: Muslims' understanding of morality can be summarized in one sentence: If you do not fear Allah, there is nothing that can stop you from committing crimes. Therefore, morality is the natural result of the fear of Allah, which keeps people disciplined. Those who do not believe in Allah, and those who do not fear him, can commit any sin when the circumstances are right. Consequently, non Muslims are not moral and would commit crimes if they can get away with it. They only fear the penalty of the man made law which is easy to evade, but who can evade Allah? (Read in Bangla)

Muslims attribute all their family and social values to Islam. Ask any Muslim of any age or gender “why you do not steal” and you are almost guaranteed to get an answer like: because of the teachings of our religion. This conviction is so deeply rooted in the Muslims’ minds that most of them do not comprehend that morality can exist outside Islam.  Such views help to condition the Muslims’ minds to despise the others and reject them.

It is important for westerners to understand this way of Islamic thinking, because it explains many of the Muslims’ social behavior. For example, Muslim men who seek sexual pleasure, automatically assume that non Muslim women are easier prey because they lack the Islamic morality deterrence that protects Muslim women. Sadly, very often they prove their point.

With signs of western decadence all around them, it is difficult to prove to Muslims otherwise. A Muslim cleric in Australia once described western women as uncovered meat that invites predators. The cleric was actually speaking the Muslims’ minds in general. The dissolute western family contrasts with the strongly bonded Muslim family where all members support and care for each other. Respect to parents and the elderly and social commitment towards the immediate as well as distant relatives are basic duties accepted and expected by all. In a Muslim family, parents often do not have to worry about retirement and pension because they know they can count on their children, or other close relatives, for full social and financial support.

The fear of Allah is called “takwa”, which means “to avoid confrontation with Allah”. “Takwa” and “fear of Allah” are frequently used expressions in the Quran and in the Arab societies. Whenever the issue of morality comes up in disputes, the Arabs say: Don’t you fear Allah? which is a reminder to the other party that he is on a collision course with Allah.

In general, the concept of morality in Muslims’ minds is mainly about being good to family and abstinence from extra marital sex. Things like theft, lies and cheating, although still acknowledged as moral values, come at the very end of their morality lists.

The Arab Morality before Islam: Islam is mainly a reflection of the seventh century Arabs’ culture. After the Islamic conquests in Arabia and the subsequent subjugation of the entire peninsula, the Arabs continued to live with their pre Islamic traditions and culture, which were largely unaltered by the new religion. Actually, many of those traditions were automatically incorporated in Islam, being an Arabic religion. A significant part of pre Islamic poetry celebrated the Arabs virtues like generosity, honesty, bravery of men, loyalty to family and tribe as well as female chastity. The Arabs cherished those virtues before and after Islam and they still do to this day. In sessions where the Jahiliya (pre-Islamic) poetry is being discussed, the Arabs are happy to speak for hours, with evident pride, about their ancestors’ virtues only to claim that its all because of Mohammed if the discussion moves on to Islam!

By crediting Islam for their morality, Muslims of all breeds offend their ancestors, because they imply that their ancestors had no, or low, morality.

Islam did introduce some changes to Arab morality, but for the worse. A few examples are cited here:

  1. Adoption was normally considered an issue of high morality but was abolished by Mohammed for a selfish and evil purpose.
  2. Family and tribal loyalty was redefined because of the Islamic teachings, which ordered Muslims to disown, or kill, their own close relatives if they become critical to Islam. Abu Bakr’s son was still a pagan at the time of the battle of Badr and deliberately stayed away from his Muslim father to avoid killing him. In later years, the son reminded the father with the incident, Abu Bakr’s response was: ‘I would not have hesitated to kill you for the sake of Allah and his prophet!’ Abu Bakr’s response says it all about the morality of the pagans versus the morality of Muslims.
  3. Sins like cheating and lies were made relative; Muslims can cheat or lie to non Muslims if they think that is helpful to them. Muslims are frequently caught shoplifting in western supermarkets and department stores, because they believe that stealing from the infidels is not a crime, or not a big crime. For the same reason most rape crimes in the west are currently committed by Muslims who believe raping infidel women is not that bad, unless they carry HIV. Muslim men regularly lie to western girls and lure them to accept relationships or marriages to obtain financial gains or visas. Young Arabs are known to do this with the blessings of their religious families.
  4. Equality is non existent under Islamic law as the non Muslims and slaves are treated as inferior subjects to Muslims.

And the list can go on...

Just like in today’s secular societies, the pre Islamic Arabs denounced theft because they believed theft was morally wrong. For the same reason they denounced lies, cheating and committing adultery. After adopting Islam, the Arabs still refrained from committing any of the above crimes but now for a different reason- the fear of Allah. Some may argue that we don’t have to worry about the reason because at the end of the day the sins were not committed. Far from true, the people who avoid sins because they believe they are wrong are people with high morality who would never commit those sins under any circumstances. On the other hand people who avoid sins because they fear Allah are people with no morality; they only abide by the rules and would commit sins once the rules relaxed. Muslims do not steal as long as the rules of Islam say “do not steal” but when a cleric issues a fatwa that stealing is permitted, for example stealing from the infidels, they would steal. When a cleric issues a fatwa to inflict harm on the infidels, burn their churches or commit other crimes, the Muslim masses would do it all because of the fear of Allah. Like soldiers, they wouldn’t even dare to question the wisdom or morality of their orders. But Muslims do not always need a fatwa. Being Muslims they know the general pattern and usually can make a good guess.

The Islamic Etiquette: You cannot expect high morality in a religion where the prophet orders his followers not to start the greetings if they meet the non Muslims on the road. Even when the Christians start the greetings, Muslims are not supposed to respond in kind. There was a time, before the current Islamic resurgence, when the Muslim and Christian Arabs treated each other in civilized ways. Nowadays, both mosques and madrasas are working hard to teach, or remind, Muslims with the proper Islamic protocols in dealing with the others. Ideally, Muslims should, discretely, avoid handshakes with others; you never know what those hands were doing a few minutes earlier. The Arab Christians try to be polite and nice to Muslims and greet them in the Islamic way “assalmu alaikum”, meaning peace be upon you. The Muslim etiquette is NOT to respond in kind by saying, “waalaikum assalam” meaning: and peace be upon you. Instead they should say “wassalamu ala mani ittaba al huda” meaning peace be upon those, who follow the right path, which is Islam. The Muslim response is evil and insinuates a declaration that there can be no peace with those Christians. The Christians often do not understand what is behind the Muslim response, and just accept it as a greeting. I also noticed that Muslims apply this etiquette to the Internet. They often start their debate with ex-Muslims by that evil greeting – the only difference is: this time they get an equally harsh response.

Another aspect of the Muslim social etiquette is their reaction when they hear of the death of a Christian, who was a neighbor or colleague. Instead of the usual response in such circumstances, which is saying “Allah yerahimahu” meaning ‘may Allah forgive his sins’, Muslims are told to remain silent or express their personal sadness in other words. Behind this response from the Muslims is a belief that Allah will never forgive Christians for what they have done!

Conclusion

In terms of morality, Islam is inferior to other cultures. It does not teach morality, it teaches obedience and forces its followers to abide by the rules of Allah, which do not always agree with morality as we know it. As long as the law of Islam happens to be in harmony with morality, Muslims are well-disciplined, but only like wild animals in a cage; once released they become like unstoppable wild beasts.

Through a loudspeaker from a nearby mosque, an Imam was heard explaining the necessity of Islam: “if there are no afterlife punishments for sins, then we all would be out committing all kinds of sins.

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Islamic Morality
written by Gnostic , October 09, 2012
Very true article! Islam is a step back to tribal ages when morality was only applied against the own tribes members while there is no ethic obstacle preventing from stealing, looting and raping people outside the tribe.
There is no idea of universal ethic, peace or love since islam divides mankind into believers and infidels while the world is divided into the world of peace aka world of islam and the world of war, which is the world of non muslims.

Islam of course is still behind the rest of the world and wiill always because its laws are not compatible with modern law and international conventions of human rights, equality and dignity.

According to islam humans are in fact no humans at all because the have no own morality (which is only provide by Allah), they are not allowed to establish any own law or to create something that could challenge Allahs exclusive right to create.

It is so miserable to watch muslims resorting to their only right they have, to beg for a fictional paradise in heaven while forgetting that there world is here!
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Mumin
written by Malem , October 09, 2012
It is not fear that drives morality for Muslims, rather understanding the ways of Allah and knowing that there are consequences for our actions, both good and bad.

Gnostic, if Muslims are not able to establish there own law, than why do you and others always point to hadith as the law of Islam? It is man made, thus by your theory cannot be so as man cannot create his own laws. Again you prove my point that Hadith is not the guiding law or book for Islam, for that there is only Koran. Thank you for making my point!
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Re: Malem
written by Gnostic , October 09, 2012
At first of course I think that humans can and should create their own laws according to their needs.

Secondly, hadith as well as sharia law are of course men made, as well as the quran, but many muslim fanatics do think that this is what Allah wants, thus it is divine law in their eyes and humans are not entitled to create something different from that. This is what U wanted to express.

If you are not accepting this you may be a small step ahead of these fundamentalists but since you are still believing that the quran is written by Allah and that it should be the more or less only source of our law, then you are not really different from the other fundamentalists.

We do not need a single word from the quran, not at all. Countries not relyng on the quran are generally better off. They enjoy more peace, more freedom, more wealth and more happiness and even more justice!
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at Malman the Infidel
written by Infidel and More Proud Imam , October 09, 2012
And the point is look inside your knickers. Look iside knickers of other muslims. Look inside the knickers of your male offsprings.
You will find all have something missing AKA foreskin. This action is not in Quran but hadith. Also the method of wiping the backside, covering the females with burka, taking dump and haj etc are hadith only. Are you a Quran only muslim? If you are then as per quran you are a infidel. Need the verse that makes you Infidel? Elswhere RW said prophets are not to be emulated . If their actions are despicable and not worth emulation then what sort of prophet are they? If you do not emulate your prophet then how do you follow sunnah?
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Islamic Morality II
written by Gnostic , October 09, 2012
Even if people believe that the quran and/or hadith are expressing the law of Allah, will that really help? No, because people will now fight for what is the right understanding of it.

This is extremely nonsense because even if you have the written law of Allah, the interpretation of it is and will always be human.

Therefore it is much easier and more useful instead to have a discussion what is useful and what is not.

Other countries are allowed to go forward in order to make progress - islamic countries are not!
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ISLAM is hatred ,cursing and killing unbelievers and kafirs,infidels,cruelty and ill will.
written by kafir-infidel , October 09, 2012
Malem the TAQIYYA merchant . What is good about ISLAM ? What is good in SIRA ? what is good about MO ? What is good about HADIS ? WHat is good about QQURRAAN ? All of them are immoral, primitive, cruel, wicked, ill will , violent and bad , sex ,slavery and killing ,deception - all very ISLAMIC .
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written by Reed Wilson , October 10, 2012
Mumin Saleh. In your article "The fear of Allah is called “takwa”, which means “to avoid confrontation with Allah”. “Takwa” and “fear of Allah” are frequently used expressions in the Quran and in the Arab societies. Whenever the issue of morality comes up in disputes, the Arabs say: Don’t you fear Allah? which is a reminder to the other party that he is on a collision course with Allah."

Fear is not like horror. Allah is not seen and felt. Knowing Allah is from his message. By fear of Allah it is understood as being about the laws of Allah. Accordingly fearing Allah means to be disciplined.

Why not to steal? The apt answer is that it is forbidden by God. If you say 'it is not good' or it is bad you cannot give a logic. We dont steal because police will catch is not the right answer. It is not police which is apprehending, it is the law which prescribes proceedings and punishment. Those laws have moorings in religion only. Not only Islam but all the religions.

I dont know Saleh what you mean by 'Islamic'. Is it by Quran or by what muslims do? They can be contrary to Islamic teaching.
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Infidel
written by Malem , October 10, 2012
Infidel Why are you fascinated with looking into peoples knickers, not that I wear them. Seems odd lad that you want to look at mens privates, but then again its you.

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Gnostic
written by Malem , October 10, 2012
Gnostic, you are incorrect lad, the Koran is the word of Allah. Hadith and Sharia that was men making up their own Islamic laws, not the Koran. The Koran says nothing about Sharia as Allah was wise to do so. As for the interpretation of what the Koran means, that is where men fail. If they try to make the words fit what they want, it does not work. You need to take it in its pure form. Islamic countries are making progress all the time. You just choose not to look at them.
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re: Malem
written by Gnostic , October 10, 2012
No, you are wrong. The quran is NOT the word of ALlah and even if it were, there would be no need to ask the quran what is useful and what is not.

We humans are intelligent and we do know what is useful and what is not. For example, the quran teaches to chop off hands of robbers but this is NOT useful at all because the criminal will never gain the opportunity to earn a living without a crime. This is only stupid and useless and even in many islamic countries this quranic law is not applied at all while other countries make exemptions.

The ban of interest is also not useful, it is not realistic to be honest, as well as many other things.

What about prayer? There are many people praying five times a day and they are the worst people on earth such as Osama bin Laden and the likes. Is there any reason to think that praying improves anything?

Or Ramadan? Not to drink water is dangerous to ones health and nothing else, really dangerous!

Covering ones skin is bad for health because we need sunlight in order to produce vitamin D.

Look at countries like Yemen, Afghanistan and many more: Instead of DOING something people are only praying.

They ae running out of water but they do nothing, remain stupid, unable to change anything!

Many islamic countries have oil but nothing else. They need to import manufactured goods and even food.

People are uneducated and stupid, believing in superstition that they will receive help if they pray.

Many muslims clain that islam is the fastest growing religion. Oh yes, they are, according to some statistics but the truth is that all this people have no future, because they are all running out of oil, water and hope.

Egypt needs to inport half of its food but they are still subsidizing the price for bread and flour because islamists want it. Of course they get what they want because Egypt is a democracy now - but what if the counry becomes bankrupt. Who do you think will pay? Angela Merkel? No, because Egypt is islamic and does not belong to the EU!
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ISLAM is immoral,cruel,primitive,inhuman,violent ,pure hatred and poison.
written by kafir-infidel , October 10, 2012
MALMAN the MHAMMADEN follower of MO_HAM_MAD , the monster of immorality, robber ,sex and slavery perpetrator.
MALMAN is an excellent TAQIYYA MERCHANT working his brains out to get the 72 HOORS from his ISLAMIC stolen ALLAH the MOON GOD - but ALAS there is no luck . MALMAN is disappointed,disheartened . MALMAN has to play more TAQIYYA games !!! MALMAN , why dont you tell all MULLAS< IMAMS ,muftis, moulvis and grand muftis, about your concerns and tell them that SIRA and HADIS do not count !!!! and what is good about QQUURRAAN ? It is all stolen, plagiarized and copied from other sources. You know this fully well . But Because you are born into and as a Mohammaden follower , you want to follow all those monstrous things as dictated to you by MO/ALLAH/QQURRAAN. Instead why dont you ask the question - what kind of humanbeing you want to be ? !! There is no possibility to be a good human being as long as you are MOHAMMADEN follower . First ,know what are qualities required to be a true good human being. Then sewe whether you are following all of those good qualities in your life . .. You are Bacchha baji like in AFGHANISATAN/pakisatan.
ISLAMIC countries !!!!!! so why dont with your perverted mind think that there must be christian countries, Buddh ist countries, Hindu countries, etc etc ? ISLAMIC countries are ill gotten and invaded and enslaved by Moslems . ALL the moslems must vacate nonmoslem countries !!! and go to MACCA the land of suicide BOMBERS .
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Law of man versus law of god? Malem!
written by Kaser , October 10, 2012
No intelligent and University-educated Mulsim can believe that the Quran is the actual word of god. Intelligent Muslims know the Quran for what it's worth. 1400 year-old scriptures that attempted to create a moral framework to control humans living at that time. NOTHING ELSE.

But Malem, like all children born of religious families, you AUTOMATICALLY believe what your were thought - right?
You are born in a jewish family, you are raised a Jew and your religion is the only true religion.
Your are born in a christian family, you are raised a christian and your religion is the only true religion.
You are born in a Muslim family, ect, ect...

Need I continue.

Malem, if you had been born as a Native American Indian, 600 years ago, you would have believed that religion, and nothing else. You would have died knowing nothing else, and you would not burn in the eternal hell fire for not being a Muslim "believer"

Malem, if you believe GOD created the Quran texts, then God is a poor scribe indeed! Do you not think that a perfect being, able to create the Whole freaking universe, would not be able to produce "God's law for all humans for all eternity" a bit more clearly? A bit more universal?

How about revealing himself elsewhere on earth? To other people?

Malem, does your heart bleed for all those millions of Native American Indians that are now (according to "believers") burning in hell just because your "Prophet" did not have the decency to send messengers all over the world?!?

Right, he was too busy conquering, pillaging, raping, murdering, ect...
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No Golden Rule?
written by Guy Macher , October 10, 2012
Islam has no Golden Rule. NO Muslim, not Mohamed or even Allah, can counter my statement with proof from the Koran or hadith.
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Gnostic
written by Malem , October 10, 2012
Let me set you straight on a few points lad. Egypt does have bread subsidies and it helps the 50% poor people have some sort of affordable food, now lets compare that 50% to the 47% of the people in the west on Food Stamps...mmm maybe you should look inward and solve your problems whilst we address ours lad.

So they only have oil? hahaha without out it the world would starve and freeze so think about that for a second. Love your blanket statement "People are uneducated and stupid, believing in superstition that they will receive help if they pray." I guess 90% of the world is stupid according to you the almighty hahaha You are the funniest person today I have heard.

Kaser kaser kaser, you are so behind the knowledge curve lad. Allah was never purported to scribe the Koran, he provided the words to Gibiriel to deliver to Muhammed. Read your texts man. As for the poor native Indians I think you need to take umbrage with the folks from England, their little colonizing ways have done a lot of damage lad, there were no Muslims on that rant. You see man has free will, he can be a fool and go thru life as a dunce and speak to things he has no knowledge of, or he can hurt people or live in peace as I do. Peace to you and please for the sake of the world pick up a book and read it.

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The unavoidable war
written by Angry Ant , October 10, 2012
Islamic resurgence will force western nations to defend their very existence. How do Islamists think the west will do this? Beginning with Israel (which Islam teaches its children to hate with venom); Islamic countries have no realistic chance to defeat due to its nuclear capability, eventually Islam will be faced with a choice of surrender or nuclear annihilation. Terrifying prospect for any human who values life...
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Malem
written by Angry Ant , October 10, 2012
Knowledge is NOT the koran. This book is nothing but nonsense, tribal fairy stories for the uneducated & ignorant. Salt/Fresh water forbidden to mix, winged horse taking Muhammad to heaven, sun setting in a 'pool of dark water', men's semen forming bones, women's 'semen' the skin & flesh, Allah put mountains on Earth to stabilise it... how much of this bloody foolishness do you believe?? Have you EVER used your brain?
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Muslims
written by fineliving56 , October 10, 2012
How do we know Gabriel delivered Quran to Muhammad ? … if Quran is the proof ..then it is not accepted because whole Quran in it self, is in question of it's authenticity … including the story of Gabriel in it .

Quran's words does not proves it's words !!!

This reversed logic is incorrect .

BTW … Muslims

When infidel posters make light of things about the fairy tale of Gabriel and all of Quran and say things like :

'' Quran dropped from the sky ….. or … purported to scribe the Quran … or Allah whispered Quran in the ear of Muhammad …etc …

You guys … never fail to come back with this the same predictable statement '' Allah provided the words to Gabriel to be delivered to Muhammad ''

Seriously ?

Can't you see,** a make- fun statement of the silly story of Gabriel's *** when you see it … or read it, in this case ?

So for the next time, you feel you have to explain the story of Gabriel, yet again … don't

We get it … you believe it … but we don't because it is stupid just like all the other stupid stories in Quran

BTW … Gabriel was mentioned 34 times in Quran … this is for Muslims information who never read Quran and even when they do read it , they do not understand one stupid thing in it.

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Malem
written by Kaser , October 10, 2012
I have read not nearly enough books Malem - who can say the contrary. But I have read a lot of them. Kurt Vonnegut is my current "bedside book pile".
I also read the most revealing parts of the Quran and the Bible. Not the Torah (yet). I find them fascinating works.

Malem - if you truly believe Allah delivered words to Gabriel to then reveal them to Muhammed, then you must UNCONDITIONNALY follow the dictates of the Quran right? Then please, do not live in peace, be ruthless towards the unbelievers! How can you live in peace when your war-god instructs you to spread Islam by force? You must hate the Vile christians anf the Jew-pigs. And dogs. Must not forget the dogs...

Certainly Allah (the god that created the WHOLE universe) told Gabriel to reveal to Muhammad that Christians are Vile and Jews are pigs right? This cannot be the fabrication of a hate-filled conqueror right? Why did he create dogs to then tell us they are up to no good? Why not.... just NOT create them??
C"Mon Malem, think man, because if you believe all that gibberish, there is no point in discussing much further.

RELIGION: The great divider. The most efficient HUMAN INVENTION to bring misery, hatred, intolerance and suffering to all humankind.

PS: Regarding the American Indians, why do you mix in the fact they were decimated by Europeans? I purposefully mentioned 600-years ago, before the genocide started in North-America... Or did you not notice this small detail. BTW, the same "damage-done" could be said of invading Muslim armies since the Islamic oppression started 1400 years ago...

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Muslim Moral
written by Montegue , October 10, 2012
I had sex with one young Muslim woman in a Muslim country who was about to get married, and she always ask to borrow a pornographic magazine. At other time, a different woman, came to my sister's house, when I arrived no one was there but she was waiting for my sister, but we had sex too. They both knew I was non-Muslim and a foreigner, so they feel safe. We did it a lot because they are so sex hungry.
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written by fineliving56 , October 10, 2012
Doctors in Islamic countries, these days, spell the beans, and say that there is a waiting list of unmarried Muslim women who come to them, to restore the little skin that needed to proof they are still virgins, but lost before the wedding …

losing it, means losing their lives
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There are no Muslims in heaven.
written by Abdullah an ex Muslim , October 10, 2012
Behind this response from the Muslims is a belief that Allah will never forgive Christians for what they have done! ……….But the truth is Muslims are the ones who will not be forgiven. There is not one Muslim in heaven, only ex-Muslims who are followers of Jesus that will be in heaven the rest will be in a lost eternity. God is will hold all Muslims accountable for great dishonour they have for Jesus and the abuse of Christians. Remember Islam is the only religion that continually denigrates Christian and Jews by name. Surely the true God will hold the leaders of each and every Mosque accountable for that.
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Montegue logic
written by abc , October 10, 2012
I see. So how many times did your mother/sister get banged before they settled down?? Since you measure morality that way!
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Abdullah ex Muslim
written by abc , October 10, 2012
Don't make me laugh sonshine you were never a Muslim!
Your dibble above is whiteness to that!
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Abdullah
written by fineliving56 , October 10, 2012
You might have changed your religion, but I am afraid , your mentality did not fallow suite. Left over Islamic intolerance is all over your post .

You have left Islam … but Islam did not leave you.

You say :

'' Muslims are the ones who will not be forgiven ", …

'' there is not one Muslim in heaven, only ex Muslims who are followers of Jesus that will be in heaven THE REST will be in a lost eternity

Dont you see this conditional love of your God is not far off from the Islamic God .

I understand your frustration over the increasing deadly persecution of Christians and Jews done by the Muslims all over the Muslims world, but this revenge that you say your God is going to unleash on Muslims is not healthy and not possible . Paying for crimes has to be done here on earth … of course, not everyone pays for their crimes before they die so we have to accept that .

Punishment by burning for eternity in h$ll fire is unfair punishment no matter what the crime was .

Even punishment by death is not eternal .. death it self is an end .

I am sorry Abdullah … if your Christian God and his laws has less mercy then a mere Humen, then he is no God worth worshipping … and not only that, it remind me of Allah .
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re: Malem
written by Gnostic , October 10, 2012
Here is just an example how stupid islamic law and perhaps any religious law might be if applied in modern cases:

The World Band, an UNO organisation, offered Egyp a low interest loan in the range of millions for better sanitation for many poor civilians who do not have access to water.

The salafists strictly opposed the deal because interest is haram in their view.

The islamic government supported the deal with the argument that there is no interest in play but something like a fee!

It is possible that other muslim scholars would say that the quran does not really oppose interest but who knows?

Isnt it easier to say that the low interest rate does not cause a danger and that it is very useful for many people to receive the help?

Islamic law does not really help the poor, it only help the clerics who wouldnt be necessary in a civil society.

Instead islamic law causes only confusion and nothing else!
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To abc What a question to Montegue
written by Muhammad , October 10, 2012
"I see. So how many times did your mother/sister get banged before they settled down??"

Going by your question, I suppose you kept tabs on your sister. But how the devil did you run a bean counter on your mother.

P.S For devil read 'Mo'.
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Wanker above
written by abc , October 10, 2012
Dont worry about tabs!
Everybody had a ride on the bikes in yours.
Mum n sisters. Infact I maybe your dad???
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At abc
written by Mohammed , October 11, 2012
If you are his dad then your moms must be having a really really big BOX where you were able to conceive even before coming out. Mashalla you certainly need a Nobel prize or at least Guinees award for having the biggest in the universe. Oh wait you are born of arsz arent you?
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Whatever!!!
written by abc , October 11, 2012
What ever tough guy!!!
At least use your regular user name huh?
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Kaser
written by Malem , October 11, 2012
You proved my point again, you "read parts" of the Koran, you never read the entire Koran, you have no idea what you are talking about when you speak of the Koran, at least your honest to point out you dont know what your talking about. Thank you!
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MALEM , ISLAM is terrible , terrible religion , full of sh*t and sewage !!! Toxic
written by kafir-infidel , October 11, 2012
MALEM did you read SIRA ? HADITHS ? DIS YOU READ QQUURRAAN ? which copy ? DID you read bible ? DID you read bhagavadgita ?
what did you understand ?
Why do you want to be the follower of Mo , the criminal, terrible guy , a liar, a lecher, a deceiver, a robber, a killer, a sex maniac, a slave trade and promoter, A pedo and a rapist ? which one character i described here is not true ? about MO ? what is the purpose of life ? DO you want to be a good human being ? If you follow and believe in MO , how can you be a good human being ? DO you want to do exactly what Mo instigated you to do ? straight answers please .
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to Malman and your brethren RW
written by Infidel and More Proud , October 11, 2012
Malman how do you do the following without Hadith?
Salat
Zakat
Hajj

Without these methods which come from Hadiths you are a Kafir..
From Quran
He who obeys the Messenger, obeys Allah: But if any turn away, We have not sent thee to watch over their (evil deeds). Qur'an 4:80

"If you do not know what the Messenger had ordered, then this is impossible. The Qur’an also commands Muslims to follow the Messenger’s example, yet the only place this example is established is in the Sunnah. Without the Hadith, you cannot know Muhammad. Without knowing Muhammad, there is no Uswa Hasana. If you doubt the Hadith you are doubting the entirety of Islam. If you reject the hadiths, then you are in-turn rejecting Islam by going against the orders of the Qur'an and are therefore apostate/murtad/kafir (whichever may apply). Ultimately, to remain faithful to Allah and the Qur'an, the hadiths cannot be rejected. "
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Kafir infidels
written by abc , October 11, 2012
Stop your whining:

"Many of the People of the Book wish that they might restore you as unbelievers, after you have believed, in the jealousy of their souls after the truth has become manifest to them; yet do you pardon and forgive, till God brings His command; truly God is powerful over everything. (2:109)"

Keep your preaching, as you can see it means nothing to a Muslim!
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to abc the hadith follower
written by Infidel and More Proud , October 11, 2012
You have already agreed in one of your posts that you beleive in hadiths whereas RW and Malman try to slither away from them and try to take refuge under Quran.

So this will mean nothing to you indeed as you have agreed that hadiths apply to muslims and there cannot me any Sunnah or Islam sans Hadiths and Mohs actions.
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No virgins for abc for disrespecting Muhammad's name
written by Muhammad aka Allah's apostle , October 11, 2012
Har de har de har!
abc is the father of Munammad! Thats a new one. Till now Old Mo' parentage was quite unproven, however we now know better. So much for Allah's apostle.
However, abc, you have been disrespecting the name of Muhammad and just you wait till you get upstairs. No virgins for you. How will I ensure that? Simply I'll put your mom and sisters with you. Have fun. Not that many have, as I've been told.

P.S: it's fun messing with your mind.

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Infidull
written by abc , October 11, 2012
"So this will mean nothing to you indeed as you have agreed that hadiths apply to muslims and there cannot me any Sunnah or Islam sans Hadiths and Mohs actions"

Once more but this time in coherent English.
I know you think Hindi and then have to translate in your head to English.
The above is lost in translation.
What are you trying to say to me???
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Infidull
written by abc , October 11, 2012
"So this will mean nothing to you indeed as you have agreed that hadiths apply to muslims and there cannot me any Sunnah or Islam sans Hadiths and Mohs actions"

Once more but this time in coherent English.
I know you think Hindi and then have to translate in your head to English.
The above is lost in translation.
What are you trying to say to me???
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to abc try no 3
written by Infidel and More Proud , October 12, 2012
Try number 3

1. The first post was for Malman and RW (read the heading)
2. RW and Malman claim to be muslims while denying hadiths as Boll*X
3. There cannot be any muslim sans Hadiths and Sunnah
4. You have in your past posts shown your belief in Hadiths
Therefore
this and earlier two posts do not apply to you unless you have some sneaky guilty feeling and hobby of answering threads aimed at RW and Malman.

Maybe at times you pretend to be Malman but forgot to reply as malman and replied as abc.

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Proud to be a muslim
written by Khan , October 12, 2012
I am a muslim and proud to be 1 i would appreciate u understand wt islam is all about before u assume wt it is not, its never about violence, or un-civilised or about 70 virgins and Quran is a holly book to teach how to live ur life. Islam teaches loving ur parents, respecting ur neighbours and spread peace in the world. We r the fools Christians, Muslims, or anyone coz we belive wts shown in the TV is the truth never try to find out wt actually happened so don let this political fights named Religious come between our brotherhood and peace full life so my christian brothers, and everyone else lets fight for ourselfs not with each other.
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Infidel Proud
written by Malem , October 12, 2012
Do you no read the Koran lad? If you did it says nothing but the Koran is Allahs word and nothing shall take its place, nothing. So Hadith and Sharia were not part of the Koran, period. As for Salat, Zakat , Hajj...er read the Koran they are in there you silly man. If your going to make an argument, try and read up on the material otherwise you will look like a qurd.
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Malem
written by Kaser , October 12, 2012
You can do better than that Malem no? Simply brushing me off because I have not read the whole Quran, therefore I am not able to understand it's verses?
So that's your whole argument Malem? Very weak. I have yet to see a strong argument from a Quran follower to convince me that the Quran is indeed the word of Allah, an almighty god that created everything.

Answer my questions Malem:
1- Do you beleive that an all-powerful being, having created the WHOLE FREAKING UNIVERSE, would need to whisper in the ears of ONE GUY that the Christians and Jews are vile pigs? Really, this makes sense to you?
2- Do you believe that: "Be ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful the each other"?
3- Do you agree with the motives and means of Boko Haram in Nigeria?
4- Do you agree with the motives and means of Ansar Dine in Mali?

Why are Islamic countries piss-poor and so retarded technologically? Is it because Islam is incompatible with evolution?
***(And please, don't bring up Saudi Arabia, Dubai, and others... This is only MY gas money funding mega-projects managed and realized by.... Western countries using Western Technology.

Cheers,
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Khan
written by Kaser , October 12, 2012
You wrote: 'i would appreciate u understand wt islam is all about before u assume wt it is not, its never about violence'

Please explain this statement? For what I can see and read (yes Malem, read...), the good parts of the Quran are overshadowed by the violent, intolerant ones.
Khan, do you deny the violent verses of the Quran?

Boko Haram is ACTIVELY using violence in the name of Islam...
Ansar Dine is ACTIVELY using violence in the name of Islam...
The World-trade attacks, London's 7/7, MAdrid... All violence in the name of Islam....

WHATEVER you claim Khan, Islam spawns human-against-human violence like nothing else right now (inclusing Mulsim-agains-Mulsim).

All this violence for the most laughable, idiotic, brain-dead ideology there is - My Religion is better than yours.

Again, I reiterate: RELIGION: The great divider. The most efficient HUMAN INVENTION to bring misery, hatred, intolerance and suffering to all humankind.
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Kaser
written by Malem , October 12, 2012
I see you have learned the childish name calling routine, very good for a 6 year old, well done lad. if you recall you asked Malman how do you do the following without Hadith?
Salat
Zakat
Hajj

I told you that all of that is in the Koran, and if you knew what you were talking about you would know that. however it is easier to live in the world of ignorance isnt it lad. Have fun there, peace
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to Malman
written by Infidel and More Proud , October 12, 2012
So you mean to say that do not follow the actions of prophet (in hadith) but follow the quran written by him? This means he is a false prophet. If the prophet is false his creation will also be false? Innit
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InfidelProud
written by Malem , October 12, 2012
I was not aware you were answering for Kaser, his statement was false. He tried to insinuate that Only the the Hadith contained the information on Salat etc.. Untrue, and proven untrue.

The Prophet never created the Hadith or Sharia, get your facts right lad. He followed the word of Allah in the Koran. Nice try again, you must go to the same school as little Kaser
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written by Jye , October 12, 2012
Ahhhh so you're a Quranist then, Malem? In other words you realize there's no way to justify the evil acts committed by your Prophet in the Sunnah, so you're discounting them altogether. That's really kind of pathetic. To the vast majority of Muslims you're viewed as a hypocrite and traitor - you're more of a Kaffir than we all are.
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...
written by Jye , October 12, 2012
Ahhh so you're a Quranist then, Malem? So in other words, you can't justify the evil acts committed by your Prophet in the Hadiths so you're discounting them altogether? That's actually kind of pathetic. To the vast majority of the world's Muslims, you're viewed as a hypocrite and a heretic - more of a Kafir than we all are.
So, Jerusalem is NOT holy to Muslims?
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written by Jye , October 12, 2012
oooh two posts popped back up =D
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Jye
written by Malem , October 13, 2012
What is a Quranist? I have never seen such a term in the Koran. People who read and follow Allah and his word in the Koran are called Muslims. As for pathetic, whining on a post and lodging falshoods against other religions would seem to be the pathetic approach now wouldnt it lad?
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Malem
written by Kaser , October 13, 2012
No name calling Malem, read my posts. Seems you are not above that though.
You do not answer my questions - fair enough, I know it is hard to do. You defend Islam because it is your sole moral framework. I dumped my Christian moral "framework" a long time ago, for a much better one.

BTW, Lodging falsehoods against other religions is indeed laughable (and useless). Each religion believes it's the ONLY TRUE religion based on it's OWN scriptures...

Why are you right Malem. Could Hindus be right? How about Native Americans? Maybe they are right and the rivers, trees, ect... are spirits... Ever thought about that?

Read this scenario MALEM:
I'll move to a deserted Island with a couple of dozen "partners"
We invent a new religion. We'll call it "Kaserism"
We make kids. We teach them Kaserism. Kaserism is their opium.
They teach their kids... and so on for generations. We build temples. We have scriptures, ect...
Oh, and to make sure no one strays too far, Kaserism has checks. Tests. Pray 5 times. Fast. don't eat donkey meat. Donkeys are unclean, ect... Believe! Kaserism promises HELL if someone doesn't believe...

Now some of these kids, when adults, will defend "Kaserism" as strongly as you defend Islam Malem.
Because it's their moral framework. It's what their parents believed... They were thought not to question Kaserism's GOD's authority on them.

But they'll defend it with no more foundation or justification of their belief than "that's what they were told to believe", even if they know there are cracks all over Kaserism.

Good luck Malem.
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...
written by Jye , October 13, 2012
Malem, dude, a Quranist is a Muslim who rejects the Hadiths, and who is considered by the majority of Muslims around the world to be a heretic. I've heard of it, weird that you haven't... Google it.
As for my falsehoods, kindly point them out?
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Evolution- Look at the bright side when these Muslim 'worthies' reject the Hadiths
written by Liberal Fundamentalist , October 13, 2012
First there is vehement opposition to anybody who is at odds with Islam; the extremists tend to gravitate to violence while the “moderates” cheer them on from the sidelines.

Over time comes denial, as some of these worthies start looking for meanings in the Islamic scriptures more in tune with their personal sense of morality. That is why you have arguments stating "Koran advocates love and brotherhood towards infidels (pardon my liberty). and the fellows who shoot 14 year old girls are not followers of true Islam."

Next, comes the quite rejection of the scriptures (in this case the Hadiths) but only privately since any public declaration would mean “rising above the ordinary “, probably from a lamp-post.

Still over time some may come to realize that basic moral values do not need the prop of a religion. More importantly, the true character of Mohamad is recognized for what he was which no amount of soul searching can justify.

Then the strong among them would simply walk away from Islam, others lacking the needed conviction would cease to be muslims in their personal space but would outwardly go along with the charade of being one of the believers.

So in other words, it’s a story of evolution. At some point of time, these worthies may be able to realize, that they have been defending someone who was repugnant even by the most basic standards of decency, let alone high morality. That's good enough.
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MALMAN , ISLAM IS TERRIBLE,TERRIBLE RELIGION , KNOW this YOU are in DARKNESS
written by kafir-infidel , October 13, 2012
OYE , MALMAN , U did not provide answers , you evade, you obfuscate, U lie and cheat and also practice self deception, TAQIYYA . You chose demonism !!! why ? You tell us whether you want to be a good human being? Then what are the characteristics of a good human being ? Will MO be considered as a good human being ? NO. Mo was a monster.
QQUURRAAN is all about abusing other religions, killing kafirs,infidels and making women and all unbelievers as slaves. QQUURRAN is a manual for war and cruelty. Know this MALMAN , the MOHAMMADEN follower . There is nothing original in QQUURRAAN or in ISLAM. EVERYTHING MO DID was to plagiarize, copy from others. You tell us what is original idea in QQUURRAN ? AL QAEDA and TALIBAN will kill you if you declare publicly and try to argue with ISLAMISTS,AL QAEDA or TALIBAN , stating that SIRA and HADIS are invalid and must be torn !!!! YOU are wrong. in QQUURRAAN itself ALLAH the pimp said that ALL Moslems must follow the example of MO !!! where are the examples of MO ? in HADIS and in SIRA !!!! Now you are exposed as a liar !!! DONT YOU know this much !!! Besides , the shahada itself associates MO with ALLAH !!! which is shirk in ISLAM. In this way ISLAM invalidates itself .
MALMAN also know this. In ISLAM , in QQUURRAAN Mo used this bizarre ritual,practice called MUBAHILA - the cursing game , cursing opponents . It looks like MALMAN, You are conveniently avoiding all the QQUURRAAN and writing what you want and distracting unbelievers. SALAT ,ZAKAT and PILIGRIMAGE were /are age old practices yhousands of years older than ISLAM !!! More over in ISLAMIC prayer you abuse all unbelievers , jews,christians and unbelievers !!! Enough lessons to you MALMAN and please stop deception .
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Questions and answers
written by Yibel , October 14, 2012
"Many of the People of the Book wish that they might restore you as unbelievers, after you have believed, in the jealousy of their souls after the truth has become manifest to them; yet do you pardon and forgive, till Allah brings His command; truly Allah is powerful over everything. (2:109)"

Q. What do the "People of the Book" have to be JEALOUS about?
A. That they do not get any share in the war booty or in the fifth designated for Allah and His Messenger, the relatives of the Prophet , the orphans, the poor and the wayfarer, unless they join Muhammad's gang and attend in the battles.
So, they are jealous because they get NO BOOTY!

Q. What "truth" is there in Islam?

A. "I heard the Prophet saying, 'Five practices are characteristics of the Fitra (i.e. the religion of Ibraheem): circumcision, shaving the pubic hair, cutting the moustaches short, clipping the nails, and depilating the hair of the armpits.'"
Bukhari:V7B72N779

Qur'an 2:130 "He who turns away from the religion of Ibraheem makes himself a fool with folly."

So there you have it: Ibraheeem's religion! Shave your armpits and pubic hair, clip your mustache and fingernails, and circumcise! And don't forget to do those pagan prostrations and rituals! This so-called religion just cannot be fixed!!!
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Jye
written by Malem , October 14, 2012
Jye your street talk does nothing to further your cause rather to lower it so that it becomes nothing. Good job lad.

Kafir-infidel, as usual your nonsensical babbling comes thru loud and clear and really just proves my point. Thank you lad.
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...
written by Jye , October 14, 2012
You obviously don't understand sarcasm, Malem...
Are you able to answer my question? If not don't bother addressing me with your drivel.
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Malem
written by Kaser , October 16, 2012
Right Malem, right...

Keep on avoiding the deeper discussions, just spit out insults, standing comfortably far away from the truth - and any logic.

And, BTW, thank you for the compliment!
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kaser
written by Malem , October 16, 2012
You had no reasonable questions to answer lad.
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Lad Malam
written by fineliving56 , October 16, 2012
Kasar had excellent, what if, questions, the problem is, you do not have logical answers for him, so you duck and through insults blindly as always …

Try to do better if you can next time … lad.

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Fineliving
written by Malem , October 16, 2012
Good to see that Kaser has a girl answering for him now. However you are as wrong as him. He never asked What If dear, what he did was present a hypothetical scenario of some island. Ok thats fine, when the people returned to the mainland they would discover Islam and see the clear path. However since there is no compulsion in Islam, they could just as well stay with the Kaser religion should they choose to do so. You see Allah provides free will to man and woman, so if they choose to be fools they can surely do so. Peace lass, have a wonderful morning.
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Allah changes ITS mind
written by Yibel , October 16, 2012
"there is no compulsion in Islam" The following verses say otherwise:

Qur'an 8:39-”Fight them (unbelievers) until persecution (opposition ends) is no more and the religion of Allah (all submit to Allah) reigns supreme.”
Qur'an 8:12, 14-”I shall cast terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. Strike them above the necks, smite their finger tips…. the punishment of the fire is for the unbelievers.”
Qur'an 9:29-”Fight those who neither believe in Allah nor the last day, who do not forbid what Allah and his messenger have forbidden, and do not embrace the religion of the truth, being among those who have been given the book (Bible), until they pay tribute out of hand and have been humiliated/subdued.”
Qur'an 48:28-29-”It is he who has sent his messenger with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam), so that he exalts it above all other religions. Allah is the sufficient witness. Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. Those who are with him are harsh against the unbelievers, but merciful to one another.”
Qur'an 3:85 “If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah) never will it be accepted of him…”

Islamic belief is that whatever happens, good or bad, is due to the will of Allah! Only Allah is eternal - all else is merely a creation of Allah. Thus existence and properties are determined by Allah. Allah creates a being, decides its nature and also decides to destroy it. Allah has also decided our fate from creation, and documented it in a book called “Lohe Mahfooz” that is kept under the Great Throne which is over the water above the air. Thus Allah has already decided who will go to Hell and who will enjoy the virgins in Its Bordello in the sky, The Garden of Bliss. Whatever acts humans do is due to will of Allah, so there is NO free will.
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Malem
written by Kaser , October 16, 2012
Probably unusual for you to have girls answering at all hey Malem - being they are weak of religion and intelligence?

You said: "they could just as well stay with the Kaser religion should they choose to do so" because there is no compulsion in Islam...

- Is Boko Haram not acting out of compulsion in the name of Islam?
- Is Al Shabaab not acting out of compulsion in the name of Islam?
- Is Ansar Dine not acting out of compulsion in the name of Islam?
- Is our dear friend Anjem Choudary not acting out of compulsion in the name of Islam for UK?

Are non-Muslims in the countries where these groups act free to practice their religion Malem?
What about lovely Saudi Arabia? Would I be free to practice another religion there? And by free, I mean without harassment?
Can I open a bible studies school in Saudi Arabia? Saudi Arabia is already basking in the light of Islam, then why is it so AFRAID of other religions?

Malem, simply stating outright "there is no compulsion in Islam" is devoid of substance. What is important is to consider the acts of those that follow it. Because these scriptures are fertile ground for oppression and intolerance for anything non-Islamic.
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Kaser
written by Malem , October 16, 2012
No it is not unusual, I am not Hindu so I encourage the equal treatment of women lad. Lets address your little questions: 1) No, 2) No 3) No, 4) no. Simple answers. All are acting in a selfish manner to promote and further their OWN causes, they want power and they are all acting against the Koran with their actions. As for Saudi Arabia questions, I do not reside there so I cannot answer for what you can or cannot do there.
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to Malman
written by Infidel and More Proud , October 17, 2012
You are welcome for your thanks hower please provide the verses from quran that define how when and why for the following

1. Wudu (include how to flush devil from nose, clean piss of devil from ear and deride him from the head)
2. Salat (how many times the number of rakas and when to fart and what type of fart or not to fart during salat)
3. Sunnat (when to lob the knob and how much to lob and why)
4. Haz (what is the procedure including kissing the holy stone aka bagina and and stone thrwing etc with all the turns twists etc.)
5. Shaving the arsz and pubes the period and washing the dirk, bagina after use
6. Zakat (all details)
7. Spitting, eating the number of dates, sucking flies shaving the upper lip while keeping the beard.

Awaiting your answers rther then it is all in Quran.
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Infidel
written by Malem , October 17, 2012
Come on now, your a big boy lad, you have been around this board telling all you know about the Koran. Are you now saying you cant find this information? Especially the bizzare stuff that you added, only an idiot a hamar like yourself would know those answers, good luck!! Peace

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